If you're curious, yes, you need the tier 1 damage mod to overheat it in one burst. Inflicting electricity for the damage boost from the tier 5 mod doesn't seem to increase the heat infliction-which is the thing I actually did check before forgetting to check this. Previous 2 Nemesis videos: ua-cam.com/video/Kcya_3vDzFA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/z6qYHmn99kM/v-deo.html
This has me a bit confused, do damage improvements improve heat application? I always thought heat was just a set separate damage value. Is that why for the flamethrower heat build up you were using the damage mod instead of the heat mod? Sorry if I'm just totally lost, still kinda noob at understanding this stuff.
@@pj-wille With some options they do(like this one where a percentage of damage is also done as heat), CRSPR isn't one of them. For sticky fuel I take the damage mod because I'm using just the sticky flames to light things on fire and those aren't affected by the heat mod, but for facemelter I use the heat mod. In either case I could build for faster overheats, but my goal isn't overheating at absolute max speed at the exclusion of everything else. The reason I choose facemelter in the first place, for instance, is because with it you're able to have the +heat mod while also still getting +4 damage on your flame particles which is really nice against bugs. Rival threat missions aren't exclusively robots, after all.
I dont mind my secondary being an ammo guzzler. My smg build goes full electricity and ammo reserves for specifically taking out grunts. Anything larger then a tri jaw I just switch weapons.
@@comet.x i would like if the Rival added a "Cryo" Vulnerable variant of the Nemesis Or add a New weakness, "EMP", Electric or Radiation Damage build charge in them, if it reaches the limit, the Robot will temporarily stop working (Not hackable for fairness, but if they make it so, make it have a time limit)
@Horatio Gates idk, a quarter of your ammo pool on one mob is a pretty aggressive play. Management might see this as a balanced tradeoff for killing the Nemesis in 6 seconds lol
Smart rifle with seeker rounds oc and hyper propellent is great even if it doesn't instant kill grenades don't really matter and sentries are better used for smaller enemies
The smaller mag pairs great with overdrive. You can safely dump the mag into a praetorian without wasting half the ammo, and the faster recharge gets you ready for the next target.
Thanks for making another video. You could've just add pinned comment on previous one, but thanks to you I saw this one and know one more SD build for Nemesis
hey LazyMaybe, can you do me a favor and hover over the overclocks for like a second. just so i can read what they do when you're talking about a build. i just got into that part of the game and haven't had enough deep dives to make them all. just hover long enough for me to pause and read please :)
I found that with the S4 changes to PBM they work for overheating nemesis too. 21221 PBM hurricane can do it in 1 mag but it's clearly not a build you want to run normally, much less on non-sabo missions
Hey LazyMaybe! How do you think of Inferno Breach Cutter with tier 2 damage mod? If I remember correctly, Inferno is bugged and deals significantly more dps(fire type) when it shouldn't. Wonder this also works on heat.
Yeah, it does roughly 1.4x the damage it's supposed to afaik. I didn't mention this but in my experience it will overheat nemesis in 5-6 shots, which is an improvement timewise but not really worth losing that much of your ammo over.
@@wholetyouinhere What really bugs me is that they're simply not fun to fight against. Of course good players (or anyone) will delete them with the right equipment for the right job, but without that they're simply a pain to deal with. It would have been cooler if you could dismantle weapons and components on them like you do with armor of normal enemies, destroying them dead-space-style piece-by-piece all while hampering with their advantages- such as: enemy is too dangerous flying? Shoot its thrusters and force it to the ground. Too much firepower? Shoot its turrets etc. The way they are now, they're simply annoying at best and infernal at worst to fight against. I feel like they need some grand rework for them to be adequate to the game, EVEN if we already have builds to instantly vaporize them from the map. To me, they're not a fun challenge.
S not like engi isnt used to ammo hungry secondaries, Fat Boy PGL is right there, and if this is the kinda cleanup you can do for that price, it seems pretty worth it...
A bug, sometimes they dont explode. Seems to happen more with turrets in my experience so with those i either go for the turret controller or direct dmg it
Wonder what happens if you swap to faster recharge. Can you still overheat the nemesis dumping two 50 ammo mags back to back given the 100% faster recharge?
The fact that the most problematic monsters to face are robots and all of them are easier to kill with fire makes the game lose the balance they had so well polished until now... I hope with the next season robots are gone for good.
Cryo cannon and NTP autocannon are completely overpowered versus bugs. Introducing an enemy type that is vulnerable to other loadouts is the definition of balance.
@@wholetyouinhere that just makes to be forced to use one loadout or the other depending on the game type. True balance is to have the maximum viable loadouts as posible in any situation.
@@YouTenaza The way they work, they are not fun to engage against. I was hoping for being able to disable parts of them as you shoot them and heavily damaging while destroying their parts A fast-moving robot that charges you with a drill? Shoot its legs to render it slow/immobile. Another one with too many turrets on its back? Destroy them so that the enemy isn't as dangerous anymore. What we have now is just tanky, fast, ranged enemies that are a pain to deal with unless you are packing literal firepower with weapons that can set them on fire. They need a big rework, as so far I haven't met in-game a single dwarf that voiced their praise towards their addition. It was either "Eh" to negative of a perception of them.
If you're curious, yes, you need the tier 1 damage mod to overheat it in one burst. Inflicting electricity for the damage boost from the tier 5 mod doesn't seem to increase the heat infliction-which is the thing I actually did check before forgetting to check this.
Previous 2 Nemesis videos:
ua-cam.com/video/Kcya_3vDzFA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/z6qYHmn99kM/v-deo.html
This has me a bit confused, do damage improvements improve heat application? I always thought heat was just a set separate damage value. Is that why for the flamethrower heat build up you were using the damage mod instead of the heat mod? Sorry if I'm just totally lost, still kinda noob at understanding this stuff.
@@pj-wille The shard diffractor's heat value is tied to the damage value. Either 25% or 100% based on if you take armor breaking or not
@@pj-wille With some options they do(like this one where a percentage of damage is also done as heat), CRSPR isn't one of them. For sticky fuel I take the damage mod because I'm using just the sticky flames to light things on fire and those aren't affected by the heat mod, but for facemelter I use the heat mod.
In either case I could build for faster overheats, but my goal isn't overheating at absolute max speed at the exclusion of everything else. The reason I choose facemelter in the first place, for instance, is because with it you're able to have the +heat mod while also still getting +4 damage on your flame particles which is really nice against bugs. Rival threat missions aren't exclusively robots, after all.
Dude awesome video, but can i ask, what a mod you use to show the damage numbers and the amount of hp your dwarf has
@@hunterbayow It's "Health and shield numbers" by Gorflow. The damage numbers when shooting enemies is "Damage text", also by Gorflow.
Nemesis: exists
Engineer: “no, your not in this episode.”
* Fixed a bug where a specific shard difractor build could heat up the nemesis faster than it was originally intended
I dont mind my secondary being an ammo guzzler. My smg build goes full electricity and ammo reserves for specifically taking out grunts. Anything larger then a tri jaw I just switch weapons.
I use overdrive SD with turret em discharge, so I get both great single target damage and fantastic group damage
It should be fine for normal encounters, after all, the overdrive is an optional feature you can use when needed (bulks, groups of heavy enemies)
This is why I love overdrive. The gun functions normally until you want the OC to kick in, unlike lead storm which is always on.
@@PRC533 I can't imagine it won't get nerfed. How does an unstable overclock have literally no downside?
@@wholetyouinhere the downside is psychological. If you don't hold yourself back from overusing the charge you're gonna waste so much ammo
Next update. The rival robots will get liquid cooling upgrade.
if they get liquid cooling then we can cryo them :₩
@@comet.x lmao.
Actual next update: Nemesis’ cooling systems get downgraded.
@@comet.x i would like if the Rival added a "Cryo" Vulnerable variant of the Nemesis
Or add a New weakness, "EMP", Electric or Radiation Damage build charge in them, if it reaches the limit, the Robot will temporarily stop working (Not hackable for fairness, but if they make it so, make it have a time limit)
I hope they wont nerf this. I hate breach cutter being "bEsT" option most of the time. Its super boring weapon for me.
@Horatio Gates idk, a quarter of your ammo pool on one mob is a pretty aggressive play. Management might see this as a balanced tradeoff for killing the Nemesis in 6 seconds lol
Unless you meant diffuser in general, then maybe. But all of Engi's secondaries hit like ...well, a nuke for example.
this. i'm starting to hate breach cutter, because it's been the go-to for pretty much everything for so long.
before season two I knew that breach cutter was probably the better secondary for everything, but I just couldn't give up the *thonk* *pow* of the PGL
Smart rifle with seeker rounds oc and hyper propellent is great even if it doesn't instant kill grenades don't really matter and sentries are better used for smaller enemies
Poor scout, left out of the overheat party
He's the only one who can really easily escape, so it's balanced.
I like to use the smaller mag for it so i don't just guzzle all my ammo down the drain
The smaller mag pairs great with overdrive. You can safely dump the mag into a praetorian without wasting half the ammo, and the faster recharge gets you ready for the next target.
In general that is better, but for this to work you need the mag size up.
Oh so the best single option post patch is EVEN better
I’m a little late, but one thing engi can do is throw two lures at the nemesis, and it will be unable to grab anyone for the duration of the lures
wow thx man lol
Damn. You did all that work, and forgot literally one combo. The pain. So damn relatable.
Good stuff man, good work doing some in depth things in the name of karl.
when the enemy is such a problem that entire builds revolve around instakilling that one problem enemy:
Thanks for making another video. You could've just add pinned comment on previous one, but thanks to you I saw this one and know one more SD build for Nemesis
this is the first I'm hearing that you can overheat nemesis and I love it
hey LazyMaybe, can you do me a favor and hover over the overclocks for like a second. just so i can read what they do when you're talking about a build. i just got into that part of the game and haven't had enough deep dives to make them all. just hover long enough for me to pause and read please :)
Yeah this would be cool
Yeah, sure.
Yo that's my overdrive build since experimental branch, neat
Was not expecting a video from my comment, though glad to help!
I found that with the S4 changes to PBM they work for overheating nemesis too. 21221 PBM hurricane can do it in 1 mag but it's clearly not a build you want to run normally, much less on non-sabo missions
Hey LazyMaybe! How do you think of Inferno Breach Cutter with tier 2 damage mod? If I remember correctly, Inferno is bugged and deals significantly more dps(fire type) when it shouldn't. Wonder this also works on heat.
Yeah, it does roughly 1.4x the damage it's supposed to afaik.
I didn't mention this but in my experience it will overheat nemesis in 5-6 shots, which is an improvement timewise but not really worth losing that much of your ammo over.
Master dwarf hole hell
This Nemesis is f*** raw!!!
I don't understand the other day i was playing with some friends and we set the Nemesis on fire and he didn't die.
This nemesis thing really is a pickle huh?
Can you test salvo module heat hurricane? I could see it being able to charge in downtime being pretty damn good
Hmm, wonder how that would do with inferno and heat nade, might be a bit overkill.
i think its funny how within a few days of the new enemy being added, everybody is already finding the fastest way to kill it
What's really funny is all the people complaining about the thing while good players have already figured out how to delete it.
@@wholetyouinhere What really bugs me is that they're simply not fun to fight against. Of course good players (or anyone) will delete them with the right equipment for the right job, but without that they're simply a pain to deal with.
It would have been cooler if you could dismantle weapons and components on them like you do with armor of normal enemies, destroying them dead-space-style piece-by-piece all while hampering with their advantages- such as: enemy is too dangerous flying? Shoot its thrusters and force it to the ground. Too much firepower? Shoot its turrets etc.
The way they are now, they're simply annoying at best and infernal at worst to fight against. I feel like they need some grand rework for them to be adequate to the game, EVEN if we already have builds to instantly vaporize them from the map. To me, they're not a fun challenge.
Honest to god I saw the title and thought this was a risk of rain 2 video
How?
They changed armor breaking mod on warthog couple of patches ago. Do you think its worth to take it now?
Honestly I think whether it's bugged or working properly it's pretty solidly worse than +1 damage per pellet(aka +8-10 damage).
@@LazyMaybe I see. Thanks
Dude it's fine just use all you amo on it
S not like engi isnt used to ammo hungry secondaries, Fat Boy PGL is right there, and if this is the kinda cleanup you can do for that price, it seems pretty worth it...
Love this was patched before the video even was done, lol.
You have a variety of builds designed to perfectly manage different situations.
I only use hyper propellant because it’s funny.
We are not the same.
For some reason i proc the burning on robots but they don't explode
Why?
skill issue.
or a known bug
Who knows!
🤷
A bug, sometimes they dont explode. Seems to happen more with turrets in my experience so with those i either go for the turret controller or direct dmg it
and now youre stuck with a 100 mag dump build.
Wonder what happens if you swap to faster recharge. Can you still overheat the nemesis dumping two 50 ammo mags back to back given the 100% faster recharge?
What is this test room? Is it a mod? I cannot find it anywhere
You can spawn it in using sandbox utilities.
This would be extremely useful, if the game allowed me to have Engineer overclocks.
I mean, there's a few ways you can cheat and get overclocks faster if you *really* want to 😂
The fact that the most problematic monsters to face are robots and all of them are easier to kill with fire makes the game lose the balance they had so well polished until now...
I hope with the next season robots are gone for good.
Cryo cannon and NTP autocannon are completely overpowered versus bugs. Introducing an enemy type that is vulnerable to other loadouts is the definition of balance.
@@wholetyouinhere that just makes to be forced to use one loadout or the other depending on the game type.
True balance is to have the maximum viable loadouts as posible in any situation.
@@YouTenaza The way they work, they are not fun to engage against. I was hoping for being able to disable parts of them as you shoot them and heavily damaging while destroying their parts
A fast-moving robot that charges you with a drill? Shoot its legs to render it slow/immobile. Another one with too many turrets on its back? Destroy them so that the enemy isn't as dangerous anymore.
What we have now is just tanky, fast, ranged enemies that are a pain to deal with unless you are packing literal firepower with weapons that can set them on fire. They need a big rework, as so far I haven't met in-game a single dwarf that voiced their praise towards their addition. It was either "Eh" to negative of a perception of them.