Cluster-B Blues, with Josh Slocum
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- 🎶Borderline-feels like I'm going to lose my mind
🎶You just keep on pushing my love
🎶Over the borderline
Josh Slocum of @DisaffectedPodcast riffs on toxic femininity, masculinity, and other parasocial shenanigans
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Whoa.. so relatable, Josh...
I was conceived in the backseat of a car, while my mother was on one of her many "runaway" from her husband.. by the time I was sane enough to look for him, my mother had forgotten his name. All I know is that he was an enlisted man.. leaves many moments of regret and questions. So I call myself an American mutt..
A chaotic childhood led to early addiction, then to early recovery in a 12-step program. But, after 7 years of sobriety, I entered therapy for 20 years, off and on.. mostly on.
All this to say that it's quite the long journey when you are raised by sick people. That journey to "find yourself and move beyond survival mode... I called my existence "waking up below zero" to crawl to get to level.. now in my 60s, I pass for normal but still struggle with bouts of depression. Most days are easy, though. I do have to fight the voices that say, "But you haven't accomplished anything!" Actually, I raised three children without the neglect/abuse cycle I experienced.. so there's that. I wish you hope and peace in your journey. You have great skills in communications. Thanks for being out there.
"The truth will set you free; but first it will piss you off" - Grizwald Grim
When he said about feeling overwhelmed by acts of kindness, I cried a little. I had a wonderful upbringing, but over the last ten years culture and social has become so distorted that random moments of kindness and connection, even something as simple as someone being pleased to see me, or to desire my company, has hit me hard. There's always good people, but these days they seem so sparse. Simple kindnesses, which have nothing to do with politics or demographics or demonstrative virtue, really do make the world a better place. That's the kind of thing that makes me believe and have faith, whatever that means.
Josh wait until you realize how much Jesus loves you. You’re going to melt. Not one of us deserves it and yet, he does. Great podcast, you two. Making me cry over here. How genuine and sweet was this one? Love it.
Calmversations is how I discovered Josh back during the collective psychosis of 2020-2022, and I’ve been watching Disaffected every Sunday ever since!
I am a woman and could not agree more with Josh about men needing to tell women no. I can't give a coherent reason. I just feel it so deeply, especially as it relates to the compassion/compassion thing.
Look Josh, I am Just jealous of your hair.
Josh Slocum explained my mother's behaviour to me. Thank you, JS. Great to see you interviewed by BB, who "rescued" my thoughts about people with dysphoria. Long story, but the interviews with ppl with dysphoria and how many navigate this are great.
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Josh has natural “wig hair” 😂😘
Two of my favorite dudes on the internet. Thank you both for your content!
This was really good. The discussion of evil, and also the mistrust of love, was a breakthrough.
Josh is such a likable and relatable guy, very insightful as well - glad you had him back
Josh was great here! Loved the sincerity, the honesty and vulnerability to just "be" human. Thank you Josh for being so open and Mr. Benjamin for providing not just the platform but what it is you do that seems to aid in these great calmversations ❤
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hey ninja kitty. nice to see you. hope all is well
@@kentonufreichuk933 ..OMG 🙀a very welcome blast from the past 😸Do drop by Ms. KeriHat's, as I do my best to be there as much as can be. For that matter, drop by the chat right here in Benjamin's and allow The Kitty to give you a welcoming 🐈bonk
i don't drop by keri's feed much. i will sub to benjamin's now too. the wife and i are beyond busy with the business and the kids. happy to see you.
I approve of this relaxed Josh message...
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Me too. But I love his gay snark more than anything. I don't really encounter many gays or people capable of rational discussion and introspection, so Josh is like a unicorn in my world.
Yes!! Men do need to hold us women accountable by saying, "No." Our bad behavior must not be tolerated.
Some people are chosen to witness ( and serve) yet not believe fully.
Is there an origin that you know of to that statement/idea? A writer, a book, scripture?
Yes I'd like to know more about scriptural precedent for this, or particular figures in the history of the church with this role. It's reminiscent of the idea of Bodhisattva in Buddhism, who forgoes enlightenment to guide souls through Samsara toward Nirvana
As a fellow gay man. Age 58. I so resonate with Josh’s take on Christian morality. With evil. With being more comfortable around my Christian relatives than my gay or blue state friends.
Does this stimulate you to consider the idea of Christ as reality? Witnessing the raw reality of evil changed my beliefs.
Ageing gay Millennial, and same. I’m always relieved to find out that someone is a Christian, and I become more comfortable around that person. This after so many years of being a hardcore lib.
Requesting a Josh Slocum and Edward Dutton conversation/discussion please
Dude this would be epic. Duttons latest IRL interviews are so great.
As a fan of both… yikes. Maybe? Dutton is about IQ and dysgenics, whereas Josh is about Cluster B.
@@abcdeshole common topic: mental illness and it's effects on society
Yes! They are both brutally honest about the madness, it would be worthwhile.
Yes, they both have a bead on the pathocracy. While Josh speaks of "Cluster B grievance ghouls," Dutton describes such figures as "spiteful mutants."
An abusive man will break your face, an abusive woman will break your soul. I've met many people who got over having an abusive father, but abusive mothers leave deeper scars, much harder to overcome. Mothers are supposed to be a special kind of refuge for their children.
That first sentence hits hard. Yes.
@@joshslocum7467 I've seen this first hand too many times.
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Yeeeeep. 😬
Very very true.
I would like to add though: growing up with a bipolar mother and a co-dependent/enabling father, I have struggled more with my relationship with my mother, whereas my 2 brothers' biggest issue has been the relationship with our father.
Our parents both emotionally abandoned us in very different yet specific ways and, as siblings, we recognize and understand each other's experience on a deep level - but our struggle to become functioning adults has been very different. Partly because of differences in personality - but more fundamentally because of either being a daughter or a son in our disfunctional family.
I love Josh and his show is always worth watching. Josh - write a book! You describe how so many of us are feeling, often before we get there. x
The "radio-style talk advice" idea is spot on.. this is something missing from the current "content" milieu and would be a big hit 👍
JBP has answered The Question this way: I behave as though I do believe in God.
Religious people will tell you, that's not enough.
This is why I love this channel so much. It’s real conversations. It’s of great value to me, to be able to listen to you both. I always learn new things when I wander around in the Universe of The Boyce of reason. 😊❤
Sorry to hear about your troubles, Josh. ❤
I always love hearing from Josh! ❤
Haha love how you both ended up in robes😂😂😂😂🤣
I pray that by remaining open to God, you find him Josh. I rejected God my entire adult life, though I was spiritual. Once 2020 happened and I could not deny the fact that evil is real and the devil is working overtime, I realized I needed to believe in God and get to know Jesus if I were to survive this world.Getting to know God in a new way, without the preconceived notions of man made religion, has been the best thing I have ever done. I can now see God and Jesus in a way I have never been able to before. It all makes total sense after years of thinking it was all a form of manipulation and control and that people who followed it were weak and naive. I could not have been more wrong and I miss a world that was governed by Christian values. I pray that you can eventually feel the the life transforming peace, mercy, redemption and unconditional love that God provides. It truly is life changing and you absolutely deserve it! ❤️
Hey boss, if you want, look up the answer to “who started the Catholic Church” 🥰🙏🏻
Absolutely love you both (and Leslie and Kevin tooo!) sending love from Canada (save us up here!!) ❤
It’s fun watching Disaffected knowing that Josh is nearby to us just down in Vermont.
Oh this will be good!
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"Your mileage may vary." So applicable! Don't go changin, Josh.
Particularly enlightening discussion, I must say. And I say that in light of quite a number of other informative videos I’ve been coming across lately. This one, none the less, stands out.👍
TERF here. I’m the type of woman you probably dislike but I adore you. I love your insight, I love how you look at yourself and you have inspired me to look at myself. I really like your voice, I like your clarity and I like how you are calling women out. I respect you and what you have to say. Thank you for challenging me. :) You are brilliant.
Josh is a great guy, I love all his interviews!
Great crossover.
Love josh! His direct no nonsense attitude/approach is great!
I can see how a lot of decent men feel taken advantage of by women, especially glib/smug ones who expect you to play "dumb guy" and ignore the ways they are unfair in everyday life. Yet, they let go on you full force if you show any impatience or frustration. I don't know how things got like this.
I think the way you described "the dark triad" in the intro confused cluster B personality disorders with machiavellianism, narsissisme and psychopathy, which I think usually is the dark triad, not BPD and hysterionic. Narsissisme is overlapping in both, though, if I'm correct
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Wow! I've been in choirs for over 10 years. And, yes, they've gone as "wxke as sh..t." explains why I'm finding it hard to stay with peeps I'd known 10 years. Ironically, it's the gospel choir I joined recently that's the most accepting. Ya don't even have to be a Xn, just like the musix!
I have sung in choirs all my life, and I just had to cut that part of my life out because of this.
I gave up going to community choir, it seems to attract a lot of 'authoritarian followers'. The church one is great though, the banter is hilarious.
This was such a wonderful experience. Thank you for this :)
Thank you gentlemen. Good listen. 🐿
Two of my favorite guys to listen to! Thanks Benjamin and Josh!
great chat, thanks,
Growing up as a christian I struggled with the moralistic narcissism that was so prevalent in Christian society. Today the Christian concept of total depravity in humans is the strongest reason for my faith in Christianity and it is a joy to see the moralistic narcissists fleeing the now unpopular and vilified religion to join its enemy (narcissistic communism) which offers more moral status in the current era.
The times seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Fibromyalgia, oh geez. I don't know when the name became attached to the syndrome we define today, but I'm willing to hypothesize it's a real thing--an autoimmune thing. In a way, it's "caused by itself" in a modern world ill-suited to health. It doesn't mean I'm unconditionally sympathetic to sufferers, but I can believe many are suffering. I could go on.
Love the kittius cattius!
Me too, but what's the plural?
Good stuff, just started this, Sam Vaknin says all neuroses will soon be better understood as one Frankenstein diagnosis. He also says, 'I'm a narcissistic, Eastern European vampire, boo!'
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It's called the "general factor of psychopathology." Type it into a search engine or into google scholar. Also called the "p factor."
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I don't even care when I get the first comment on any video. 🤥
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What a great convo. ❤❤❤
Not being able to feel the rage or emotion of an abusive step parent and transferring all of it onto the other parent (mother) is v psychologically common.
(Older Gen-X vintage here) Raised in a very religious community, but have never been able to believe in a god or feel anything much in religious services and practices, of my own or other religions, including any post-modern 'woke' ideologies in my college education. I had a mentally unstable and abusive father so the unquestioning devotion and obedience to a heavenly father or any secular guru was something I just couldn't trust. I've never been able to buy into group-think or run with the herd. I wish I could.
And yet: I find myself in late middle-age wondering if the conventionally religious / believers have been better prepared to weather the current social turbulence than those ascribing to secular beliefs and ideologies that change so rapidly. I've never desired or had children. I can't risk re-creating my origins.
I default to my internal moral compass that says 'First, do no harm'. When in doubt, I don't. If I make a mistake, I own it, amending if possible. I strive to be grateful and positive.
Beautifully well said. ❤
This is exactly why I've chosen never to give birth.
I love the children of friends and family, and I rescue and rehab orphaned animal "children", but biologically I inherited a physical mess. _"First, do no harm"_ perfectly explains why I've chosen never to give birth to any children myself.
"Pandemicide!" Don't go changin, Benjamin.
Whooowee did I enjoy this calmversation!
I have to just add that knowing that evil exists without belief in God is a very, very painful existence. There is so much proof that God exists when you decide to start looking for it. I am not one to just believe in something because someone tells me to. I have to do my research. Once I opened my mind to the existence of God and started researching and studying it, it blew my mind and shattered all of my previous beliefs. I still struggle with the oppressive presence of Satan in this world, but deepening my connection to God is changing me in ways I have tried to do on my own, without success, my entire life.
Buildings are proof of a builder, books are proof of a writer and creation is proof of a creator. Please research who started the Catholic Church, darling.
Josh. I love you man.
I'd love to see Josh and Jaco Van Zyl on a podcast together. That would merit a couple hours at least.
Has there been an explosion in Cluster B people? Where do they come from? Abuse apparently, but that begs the question, where did the explosion in abuse come from?
Feminism, Feminists, Feminist Policy
achievement pressure and emotional isolation from parents. Parents make more money, work more and are less present
For thousands of years(yes, thousands) humans lived very much in a collective state of total dissociation from reality. This, I believe, was the result of the extreme oppression and subjugation of women. When a mother is dissociated from reality, due to the abuse and trauma she experiences, so too will her children be. When you are totally dissociated from reality, you feel almost nothing. You’re very numb, emotionally. Robots, so to speak, who do what they do because that’s what they’ve been programmed to do, and they don’t give it any real critical thought. As women gained some liberation(in the west anyway), they came out of dissociation(to some extent; we are all dissociated to some degree, due to the very unnatural circumstances of our existence), which means they, along with their children, started experiencing more of reality on a conscious level. This leads to feelings, all sorts of feelings. Dissociation seemed to work so well, relative to what we’re experiencing now, because we do live in such an unnatural and inhumane way, all over the world. The way we evolved to live is 180 degrees different from how we do live, and our brains and bodies are pretty much the same as the brains and bodies of our ancestors who lived 100,000 years ago. Anyway, our material reality has been terrible for about 10,000-12,000 years(since the advent of agriculture and domestication), but it has only been in the last 60-80 years that we have started to really become conscious, on a large scale, of how terrible things are for humans. Patriarchy and capitalism conditions us to prioritize material resources/money over anything, and so we assume that the more money and stuff we have, the better our lives are. Nothing could be further from the truth, because as pack animals, nothing is more valuable than an emotional connection to other humans. In a way, feminism can be blamed for the change we are experiencing, if you are someone who feels the need to lay blame at the feet of a person or group or social movement. I’m not. Prior to agriculture, humans lived in a very egalitarian and cooperative manner. If anything, humans are more naturally matriarchal than patriarchal, like bonobos. It is theorized that there was some sort of ecological disaster that caused humans’ temperaments to change, probably around 13,000 years ago. Chronic stress(like the type you would experience if your environment suddenly became hostile for an extended period of time) leads to a reduction in emotional empathy and an increase in antisocial(or anti human) behavior. I will say that feminism sought to take women from the position of slaves to their husbands to the position of slaves to capitalists, which was not good. In a way, it made life better for women, but in a way, it got worse. Sure, they are not totally dependent upon men who are allowed to beat them and their children, cheat, and treat them like inferiors, and they can leave whenever they want without worrying about social stigma, but they still do not have the one key component of a safe, secure, fulfilled life, which is a strong connection to other women. Oh, and these women who were “raised up” to the level of men left their children behind. At least in the past, I think that women felt more of a connection to their children, via shared oppression under men. Now, children don’t have that connection(as unfulfilling as it was), and they don’t have connections with peers, largely due to the increase in technology. They’re all alone, for the most part. In reality, we are all objects under capitalism, and if we have no use, we will be discarded. Humans cannot possibly be happy living this way, and those who say they are, for the most part, are highly dissociated from reality. To be truly fulfilled and secure, a human must be accepted, unconditionally, by another human(preferably many other humans) as they are, regardless of what they do/achieve/accomplish. And under capitalism, any child who is unconditionally accepted by their parents has no chance of “success”, according to societal standards.
@@TheElderScrib many parents make less money when accounting for inflation in cost of living and the expectation of both parents working outside the home while outsourcing both child and eldercare to institutions has had rather disasterous results.
I notice it in a lot of younger women who come to treatment. It's this ridiculous sense of entitlement towards special treatment based on gender. I don't know if it's exactly trauma and abuse. It may be due to how people are being socialized and raised. I honestly see more self-loathing and self-hatred in men and more borderline and narcissism in women.
no 2 people have the same fingerprint in the world. Not even twins.
Where's "Trevor" he hasn't shown up yet to scold us??
Honestly; I’m just here for the cats.
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Same. . . and greetings to yours! Awesome face!
"Why do you think the grief needs a gesture?"
I think it takes big emotions and turns it into small actions to help "move through" the grief instead of staying stuck in an emotional freeze
Well said, thank you! ❤
I think it can be very, very different for different people, as well. . . both in the actions we take, and in the timing.
Like for instance I was in a support group for families, survivors, and responders after 9/11, and every year -- as we faced another upcoming anniversary -- we each had ways of dealing with it, but they were rarely the same ways at the same time. In retrospect I realize that there was literally a whole decade between when one of us was ready for something, and when another of us was ready for the same thing. . . and people in between those two. So even when two people need the same actions to help us move through the grief, we may need to take these actions at a different time than someone we love who is also moving through grief from the same cause. That's something I hadn't known before.
I really love both these men.
Hail Josh!
I love Josh!
This was lovely❤.
Hi Josh! 😘
Josh has beautiful hair!
Of all your guests, Josh is the best
I think that, when we look back on our younger selves, this naturally allows us to take what feels like a "higher perspective," by gaining a "God's eye view" on ourselves, in retrospect. I assume this involves shifting toward favoring right brain usage.
I think this also entails treating ppl like our own "younger selves," because we're focused on the idea/recollection of that (past) particular person, so we start behaving accordingly in the 'equal and opposite' responsive role. This explains how our "patterns repeat," and also how healthy projection, involves self-awareness.
This analysis also ties-in with the question of "the physical manifestation of grief". I think this whole description encapsulates the grieving process, and that every healthy person is doing this all the time (or most of the time).
There are physical queues involved: when something induces fear or anxiety, there are physical responses which are specific, like shoulders tensing up, 'knots' in stomach, etc.
When you go through various emotions, look at your face in the mirror or something, this is obviously an ostensible physical process (one need not be a neurobiologist researching affect, to clearly observe the basics).
I suggest that when one adopts the above, "healthier perspective," one is in large part as a byproduct, literally stretching-out, or physically counterbalancing those tensed parts of the nervous system. Different kinds of stress responses entail different specific physical movements, arrested during "shock" and loss, so there are different kinds of feelings of "catharsis" when a particular kind of physical stress is alleviated.
Thanks for a nice conversation:-)
I particularly appreciated the conversation around death and funeral practices.
I will take issue with Satan being the original liar, if one reads Genesis, god is the one telling lies. And as for Christian morality, I don’t see how a faith whose sacred text supports genocide, infanticide, genital mutilation, forced marriage, and slavery is a good foundation for morality.
I thought you were going to do Mr. Sandman 😊
Josh you are exactly right about men and women need to do....
I don't know if one can 'believe' in God/Mystery/Presence/Essence..it's more about have a very intimate relationship. Through incredible suffering and grief i've come to know there is a God in whom we are immersed in at every nano second of every day. Think of oneself jumping off the deepend of a pool..one is totally immersed in water...it holds us, it's silent. The other visual is to see God as the ocean and we are the waves....the waves are not made of a different substance to the ocean. The waves do not become disconnected from the ocean....waves are made of the same substance/essence and at the end of life merge back into that ocean of love. The cluster B and the rest of violence and hatred and disconnection is a massive result of the the massive disconnection that we have from knowing and experiencing this...something evil does not want you to find out about....your true self. The debauchery we see...is spiritual sickness..the results of choosing the wolf in sheep's clothing...evil. Evil comes disguised as good and will work through anything or anyone to help us disconnect from the reality of our Essence and total connection with that great Love.
Beautiful
Just watched a very good (Jung-related) episode with Bernardo Kastrup from a week ago, on channel called Edmund Burkei Selts.
While I definitely recognize the "hard problem," I still assume that there will one day be a physical explanation for everything Kastrup describes, and possibly a material explanation, although the latter apparently becomes technically 'slippery' in some areas of physics.
Josh… you can logically believe in God and walk the path and perhaps the path will show the faith eventually. Does it looks like it works and do others seem to gain positives from walking to path? That’s a form of faith to start the journey even if you don’t fully believe. One day at a time. One act at a time. Do your best. It will reward.
Join a church choir, Josh! Surely there's one non-woke church somewhere in Vermont!
The “shadow” can encompass many positive traits, but it is a matter of perspective. So, for example, emotional vulnerability, particularly in males, can become part of the shadow, because it was a trait he learned, as a child, was unacceptable by the people around him. Most importantly, by his mother. Empowerment is probably the most commonly repressed trait/characteristic among modern humans, because in a patriarchal society, power is perceived by mothers as very threatening. And when I say “power”, I mean the power to be vulnerable and connect with other humans, NOT power over other humans. We ALL, every single one of us, have repressed our power to some extent. Compassion, which goes along with vulnerability, is also repressed in probably 99%+ of us. In an antisocial, inhumane world, nothing is more threatening to the human than genuine connection.
"And when I say 'power', I mean the power to be vulnerable and connect with other humans, NOT power over other humans."
What?
I don't understand this. 🤷🏾♀️
1:02:40 read Matthew 5-7 and what it says as to how to live your life and how to treat people. It's pretty much the opposite of narcissism if you look deeply.
Josh needs to make the music for his show "borderline" by madonna. It would be very fitting and very gay.
Probably also very copyrighted. 💰💸
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52:57 I get it. My mom was verbally abusive but never physically abusive but it traumatized me and sometimes i think i wish she would have just beat me instead, it would have been easier to deal with 😕
Speaking of which, today is the day 4/25 for _Commies fer Palestine_ event at University of Washington (Seattle)!
¿Is Benjamin still in Téjas?
Saint Joseph, foster father of Jesus Christ and terror of demons, is a really good role model for men. Please consider researching his life and influence!
Betrayal...you nailed it
Betrayal means breaking of expectation. Seneca allegory with the cart an expectation helped me. He had to deal with Nero.
Two questions...first do you feel "abandon " and "insuffisant " for your mother? Second, do you think you could be more responsable than them? Cause giving the impression by your arguments
Hi Benjamin, loving your videos. How could I get in contact with you?
Twitter is linked in description, email on my about page
The phrase is "a different tack"
NOT "a different tact"!!!
Right, it's a sailing metaphor.
Plagiarism is somewhat a feature not a bug. You can't expect good writing when there are no meaningful ideas.
Too many of Plato’s Iron souls Josh
In his podcasts he glares angrily at the camera and laughs a hollow laughter that seems to be animated by pure hatred. Then he analyses his political enemies as having cluster B personality disorders. He is so consumed by resentment that he uses the anti-gay conversion therapy movement, namely his support of it, as a "gotcha" against liberals.
Hope Josh is doing alright, dude seems vulnerable in this interview more so than usual :/
6:52, geez leave him alone
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