This conversation is in class of its own. Two people humble enough to get out of the way and let something greater come through. Benjamin, you are, in my opinion, one of the best interviewers on the net. This particular conversation is a beautiful gift.
I dont comment on things much but i thought I should leave a token of deep appreciation. Its simply not possible to put into words on what levels this conveesarion resonated with me. Thank you for this interview. I wish i could have somone like him to reach out to for guidance cause god knows right now i need it more than ever and i am uncertain wether it is a spritual death and rebirth i am going trough or just death and my material form will fallow. Nevertheless, i feel there's more here to explore and learn in one conversation than some entire books. Blessed are those who truly know him. And blessed are you Ben for bringing this to us.
@@alexszaloki I know what you’re experiencing and it is definitely not in vain even though it feels that way… until it doesn’t. Remember what Jordan said about the feelings and there is no wisdom without suffering, no light without burning. There are many who suffer with you in spirit. Blessings on your journey.
what an outstanding interview, I love the way Jordan's mind works and I love how you brought the conversation down to comprehensible level and then let it build from there (as opposed to his interviews with that rationalist/brainbuster community who seem to always start at 10 and try to find additional notches from there) seriously, really well done by both of you; that's some solid podcasting
Just a beautiful conversation, truly. Thank you. For what it’s worth, I’m also a disciple of Christ (or at least ever continually seeking to be such) and more specifically a member of The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints (i.e. a Mormon). There is so much misconception about the Latter-day Saint movement but what I want to say is THIS conversation is what we are about. This is the very same message of Christ that we preach and seek after. It was incredibly edifying, humbling, and instructive to listen to and see the character of Christ exemplified in you both.
Wow! I didn't know how much I needed this conversation! I love his positivity! I love the way ya'll explored your thoughts and ideas. This was fascinating! I am definitely going to use some of these ideas in my own way when discussing our faith and the world we are living in with my children. Thank you for sharing this with us!
@@adrianw5055 And before that rebel wisdom, and apparently the weinstein brothers corner. Interesting how they've all seemed to converge over the years. Seems significant, but I haven't figured out what that is yet.
I'm becoming a bore with this comment. But I can't help it. Calhoun's Mouse Utopia 25. The more detached we are from environmental pressures the less orientated we become towards flourishing, the less productive and reproductive we become, the more destructive and psychopathic we become.
Suddenly I learned what the hell Jordan is on about. Excellent.
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Yeah man....I checked out of him few yrs ago, as my mind was getting squishy, etc. All these guys made the rounds on RW, etc....but I sorta checked out. This was a good convo....
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Is Jordan still in concert with Schmachtenberger? Consilience Project? These guys were all over the place for a bit....but havent seen anything from them in a few years! EDIT: i like all these convos, as much as the next guy. But they are pretty esotetic, to say the least. Jordan, Schmactenberger, Vervake, Wheal (the latter two on JBP very recently!), McGilchrist, et al. But my 'quibble', I guess, is how to deal with this stuff as a sungle individual in an age headed toward a 'Fourth Turning' or whatever. That whole 'well adjusted in a profoundly sick society...no mark of health' thing.
Re: Writing a book. The spirit of the written word is AS A RULE opposed to the evolution of consciousness that’s currently happening. Imo. The medium is the message. Oral (podcasts, UA-cam) is supplanting the written again. For the first time in ages.
No pasttime is as perennial as predicting the end of the world. "The chance the collapse would stop at the steam age is very low." Notice how often you hear this kind of scientistic appeal. Probability is a modernistic concept that, while very good for telling you the average temperature of your microwave while you warm your burrito, has little or no place in your escatology.
1:18:20 “how does technology become in service to communion?” Enter TLC. The rediscovery of the person being the center of all reality via new mediums, particularly where oral vs written communication is primary.
Hey Benjamin - interesting discussion. I'm wondering whether Rudyard Lynch has crossed your 6 degrees of Benjamin Boyce yet. I just discovered him and am fascinated. He did a podcast with Simone and Malcolm Collins. FWIW, I'd be fascinated to hear you and him sit down for a calmvo. Cheers !!
Hey Benjamin, somewhat rndm, but if you mentioned you're driving frequently for work, be aware that halogen lights which are everywhere now, are unregulated here vs Europe, no one in US has easily-upgraded tech that properly directs beams, and they definitely cause eye damage. I mean, hear no see no evil sure, but Gawd wants you to keep seein' wassup.
I think you might enjoy talking to Ashley Hodgson from the channel "New Enlightenment With Ashley". I think she is trained as an economist and game theorist. I'd really like to hear her talk to Jordan as well.
it would be wise to have a representative of the Abbeville Institute or any guest from Lincoln’s Quest for Empire to balance this opinion piece - sending love BB!
I feel like I'm gonna be obnoxiously over-critical, but this is kind of why I don't watch Rebel Wisdom, because I don't speak this language, and I'm not convinced half the words have meaning, lol my bad.
Took me a lot of hearing him talk before understanding finally began to flicker in my mind. I believe i have a medium-high natural capacity for very abstract thinking, but his mind often functions at the highest levels of abstraction. Once I started to get how he talks, he only got more fascinating.
1:26:37 Boyce様 : “ (why not) just be a *polished mirror?* ” Baudelaire士 : “ Nous aurons des lits pleins d'odeurs légères, Des divans profonds comme des tombeaux, Et d'étranges fleurs sur des étagères, Écloses pour nous sous des cieux plus beaux Usant à l'envi leurs chaleurs dernières, Nos deux coeurs seront deux vastes flambeaux, Qui réfléchiront leurs doubles lumières Dans nos deux esprits, *ces miroirs jumeaux* Un soir fait de rose et de bleu mystique, Nous échangerons un éclair unique, Comme un long sanglot tout chargé d'adieux Et plus tard un Ange, entr'ouvrant les portes, Viendra ranimer, fidèle et joyeux, Les *miroirs ternis* et les flammes mortes. ”
Ben, some of your recent conversations are fire. Maybe you could put in an hour or 2 with Sitch & Adam. Just spit ballin. Anyway, keep up the interesting work.
more adjectives - appropriative, ungenerative, constructed, unrooted, heres a related one from chomsky "reflecting the unanalyzed accidents of it's environment"
[kitty makes kindergarten child's mocking face says "na na na na na na", pulls Ms. Helena's pigtail sticks tongue out at her after completely owning her] 😸
@@helenablavatsky9136 .... [Kitty withholds laughter. Within moments, Ms. 🐾 will feel a bit queasy, as milk was laced with 10K grams ultra-high concentrate caffeine then clones test activation of level 500 UBER playtimez set to commence in 3.... 2.... 1... 😼]
@@NinjaKittyBonks (Helena starts to get jittery. She suddenly runs over to a nearby lunch table and begins to scoop mashed potatoes off of random students' trays with her hands. Smiling, she throws the mashed potatoes at the clones and kitty. She then yells, "FOOD FIGHT!" The cafeteria soon erupts into a whirlwind of ketchup, mustard, tater tots, mashed potatoes and hamburger patties. Helena continues to go ape shi*t while the clones open their mouths wide in the hopes of catching some of the food. Kitty becomes so buried in mashed potatoes that he can barely see.)
Well this was an intellectual roller coaster. I'm not a fan of roller coasters. The last one I went on was old school, at six flags. Memorable and useful for honing survival instincts.
1:16:50 “ the difference between community and communion is that communion is grounded in a deeper reality that is intrinsically whole.” Would love for Jordan to engage Peter Rollins on this point. Perhaps, I would like to talk to him myself about this. Essentially, I would ask if his “wholeness” is free from what Rollins calls the “libidinal pursuit of the Lack.” And the Lack is “that which promises to make you whole and complete.”
A lot of bifurcation diagrams: Catholicism to reformation Everything is an iteration Walk with God: I find it possible to continually “ pray” to be nearly OCD about praise consciously and subconsciously to the point of almost being worried that you’ll say “ thank you Jesus “( or something similar) when someone starts speaking to you. I ought to get back to that place. I suppose I fall out of it the fewer dangers I face.
Hi Jordan, can you game this out? If we “hoe a pandemic” by hobbling human beings innate immune system and ability to train itself. If we interfere with the natural progress of the virus through blocking measures, what are the consequences? Here’s one scenario we can observe in real time; by blocking its natural progress to endemicity, we are forcing the virus to mutate, wildly, in an effort to bypass those blocking mechanisms. For the virus to survive and reach endemicity we have caused it to mutate into versions that trick our innate immune systems, bypass our natural defences and force a twist to a more virulent strain from a previously infectious one. Intra host rather than inter host. What’s the result? Endemicity achieved. How? By extinction event and civilisation collapse in one. Who, is paying attention?
Noooo, you can have your different New Agey religions WITHIN liberal society, but without that hands-off overlay/structure, basically all the different sects would just be fighting.
Admittedly knowing nothing about the guest at all, this conversation got me really excited and deeply interested in where it will end, until the "I became a disciple of Christ" bit ... Shallow pseudo-christian platitudes followed, and the seemingly smart and sophisticated man was reduced to a boring member of (insert whatever) congregation full of "led by the Holy Spirit" BS.. I feel like a TW (an example of one sentence where the guy says he prays.. would be enough!) is needed for this particular conversation. Over an hour of my time wasted on this nonsense.. Can we please get back to common sense?
It's a different language, not word salad. He's communicating actaul concepts, but you need time to learn the language before you can understand what he's saying.
This conversation is in class of its own. Two people humble enough to get out of the way and let something greater come through. Benjamin, you are, in my opinion, one of the best interviewers on the net.
This particular conversation is a beautiful gift.
My humble thanks, Rebecca!
I dont comment on things much but i thought I should leave a token of deep appreciation.
Its simply not possible to put into words on what levels this conveesarion resonated with me.
Thank you for this interview. I wish i could have somone like him to reach out to for guidance cause god knows right now i need it more than ever and i am uncertain wether it is a spritual death and rebirth i am going trough or just death and my material form will fallow.
Nevertheless, i feel there's more here to explore and learn in one conversation than some entire books. Blessed are those who truly know him. And blessed are you Ben for bringing this to us.
Hang in there, Alex! You are loved before, after, and during every breath.
@@alexszaloki I know what you’re experiencing and it is definitely not in vain even though it feels that way… until it doesn’t. Remember what Jordan said about the feelings and there is no wisdom without suffering, no light without burning. There are many who suffer with you in spirit. Blessings on your journey.
Ring the bells that still can ring,
forget your perfect offering,
there is a crack, a crack in everything
that's how the light gets in.
@@ChristianGrossCG yes that’s right
58:54 Conforming oneself to the truth, purification and accusation vs judgment.
Very good section here.
As a practitioner of emotional release in my meditation practice, I deeply appreciate this dialogos.
This episode is a Benjamin Boyce Banger. Brain Food Deluxe. Thankyou M8.
Mind blowing! Going to have to Listen to this a few more times!
Jordan has had a fascinating trajectory. Looking forward to this conversation!
I can smell humility when I meet someone, it's like aftershave.
Jordan is always a reminder that all of us are living so beneath our potential. Think about everything, always..
Whew...now that was a humdinger
Boys! God bless you both!!
PS: "Memory is a spiritual Act"
Boom...💥
A provocative interview only Benjamin Boyce could have had.
trite, true, and right. 🤘
what an outstanding interview, I love the way Jordan's mind works and I love how you brought the conversation down to comprehensible level and then let it build from there (as opposed to his interviews with that rationalist/brainbuster community who seem to always start at 10 and try to find additional notches from there)
seriously, really well done by both of you; that's some solid podcasting
Hall has been on a huge range of pods since his conversion. Playlist in next. It’s not even exhaustive
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Hey, good to see you.
@@WhiteStoneName 🫡👋
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Conversion? What u mean?
Been watching Jordan for years, it was nice to hear more about him.
"Do you have any merch?". That was hilarious!
I'll have to remember that when I have a brain snap
yep
Over priced caffeine from Neurohacker 😅
Just a beautiful conversation, truly. Thank you. For what it’s worth, I’m also a disciple of Christ (or at least ever continually seeking to be such) and more specifically a member of The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints (i.e. a Mormon). There is so much misconception about the Latter-day Saint movement but what I want to say is THIS conversation is what we are about. This is the very same message of Christ that we preach and seek after. It was incredibly edifying, humbling, and instructive to listen to and see the character of Christ exemplified in you both.
Wow! I didn't know how much I needed this conversation! I love his positivity! I love the way ya'll explored your thoughts and ideas. This was fascinating! I am definitely going to use some of these ideas in my own way when discussing our faith and the world we are living in with my children. Thank you for sharing this with us!
Thank you both for the wonderful sharing, connection and insights ❤
What happens when community is not grounded in communion? What an answer to this is given here
Wow! You are getting some fantastic guests. Strong work. Really appreciate this interview.
7 seasons!
Quite a lot of stuff has happened.
Evergreen seems almost quaint!
I think that's a good sign. I think 'we' are developing a fluency in ideas we once were not even dimly aware of. Whoever 'we' are !
Absolutely incredible chat gentlemen 😊
At first I was like who is this guy. 30 minutes in... Wow this dude is smart
He's from the Pageau-Vanderklay corner of the internet.
@@adrianw5055
And before that rebel wisdom, and apparently the weinstein brothers corner. Interesting how they've all seemed to converge over the years. Seems significant, but I haven't figured out what that is yet.
@@Mamothreptthey converged a number of years ago and now have diverged (tho not completely) from that starting place
You guys! So beautiful! Appreciate this so much 🕊️🕊️🕊️
I'm becoming a bore with this comment. But I can't help it. Calhoun's Mouse Utopia 25. The more detached we are from environmental pressures the less orientated we become towards flourishing, the less productive and reproductive we become, the more destructive and psychopathic we become.
That's good.. thanks
Brilliant 🙏
Suddenly I learned what the hell Jordan is on about. Excellent.
Yeah man....I checked out of him few yrs ago, as my mind was getting squishy, etc.
All these guys made the rounds on RW, etc....but I sorta checked out. This was a good convo....
Is Jordan still in concert with Schmachtenberger? Consilience Project?
These guys were all over the place for a bit....but havent seen anything from them in a few years!
EDIT: i like all these convos, as much as the next guy. But they are pretty esotetic, to say the least. Jordan, Schmactenberger, Vervake, Wheal (the latter two on JBP very recently!), McGilchrist, et al. But my 'quibble', I guess, is how to deal with this stuff as a sungle individual in an age headed toward a 'Fourth Turning' or whatever. That whole 'well adjusted in a profoundly sick society...no mark of health' thing.
I'm completley stuck in my own modified version of the 90's thinking, because I can't see anything better.
Pure Gold.
Yass! Another long awaited crossover.
Re: Writing a book. The spirit of the written word is AS A RULE opposed to the evolution of consciousness that’s currently happening. Imo.
The medium is the message. Oral (podcasts, UA-cam) is supplanting the written again. For the first time in ages.
Great interview!!!
A tangent: In Greek mythology, Memory is the mother of the Muses.
1:18:11 Benjamin's question about communion on the internet glitched out the matrix for a second there...
No pasttime is as perennial as predicting the end of the world.
"The chance the collapse would stop at the steam age is very low." Notice how often you hear this kind of scientistic appeal. Probability is a modernistic concept that, while very good for telling you the average temperature of your microwave while you warm your burrito, has little or no place in your escatology.
Valentin Tomberg! That is a beautiful book, I agree.
Small world, I worked at Akamai, who bought his company Intervue in San Diego.
"how does communion arrive on the internet?"-Benjamin A Boyce and follows Jordan Hall's answer
1:18:20 “how does technology become in service to communion?”
Enter TLC. The rediscovery of the person being the center of all reality via new mediums, particularly where oral vs written communication is primary.
Um, Amazing. Quite welcomed salve for the overwrought intellect i’d say.
Definitely a regular speed listening convo. Great job keeping up and picking good questions, Ben.
'regular speed listening convo', I will remember that one.👋
what do you tend to listen at? 0.75x? 1.5, 1.75, 2x?
Liked immediately. Haven't even watched and I want a second round to happen
1:25:00 Nate Hile? Great guy. He lead a great series on Meditations on the Tarot on his Grail Country UA-cam channel. FYI.
Hey Benjamin - interesting discussion. I'm wondering whether Rudyard Lynch has crossed your 6 degrees of Benjamin Boyce yet. I just discovered him and am fascinated. He did a podcast with Simone and Malcolm Collins. FWIW, I'd be fascinated to hear you and him sit down for a calmvo. Cheers !!
Hey Benjamin, somewhat rndm, but if you mentioned you're driving frequently for work, be aware that halogen lights which are everywhere now, are unregulated here vs Europe, no one in US has easily-upgraded tech that properly directs beams, and they definitely cause eye damage. I mean, hear no see no evil sure, but Gawd wants you to keep seein' wassup.
I think you might enjoy talking to Ashley Hodgson from the channel "New Enlightenment With Ashley". I think she is trained as an economist and game theorist. I'd really like to hear her talk to Jordan as well.
Wow, she doesn't make it easy to contact her.
it would be wise to have a representative of the Abbeville Institute or any guest from Lincoln’s Quest for Empire to balance this opinion piece - sending love BB!
47:30 This part's really good dude.
BeardTube, great name. 🧔👍
I feel like I'm gonna be obnoxiously over-critical, but this is kind of why I don't watch Rebel Wisdom, because I don't speak this language, and I'm not convinced half the words have meaning, lol my bad.
Took me a lot of hearing him talk before understanding finally began to flicker in my mind. I believe i have a medium-high natural capacity for very abstract thinking, but his mind often functions at the highest levels of abstraction. Once I started to get how he talks, he only got more fascinating.
1:26:37
Boyce様 : “ (why not) just be a *polished mirror?* ”
Baudelaire士 :
“ Nous aurons des lits pleins d'odeurs légères,
Des divans profonds comme des tombeaux,
Et d'étranges fleurs sur des étagères,
Écloses pour nous sous des cieux plus beaux
Usant à l'envi leurs chaleurs dernières,
Nos deux coeurs seront deux vastes flambeaux,
Qui réfléchiront leurs doubles lumières
Dans nos deux esprits, *ces miroirs jumeaux*
Un soir fait de rose et de bleu mystique,
Nous échangerons un éclair unique,
Comme un long sanglot tout chargé d'adieux
Et plus tard un Ange, entr'ouvrant les portes,
Viendra ranimer, fidèle et joyeux,
Les *miroirs ternis* et les flammes mortes. ”
“Internet of humans” = 🍿
The entire world is entrained 25:23
Fractal eschatologist
Psycho-spiritual vs socio-technical piece 27:38
31:09 we live in perpetual gaslight
Can’t think your way into sanity; truth - 33:13
Ben, some of your recent conversations are fire.
Maybe you could put in an hour or 2 with Sitch & Adam. Just spit ballin.
Anyway, keep up the interesting work.
1;27;24 what seems to be called for right now...a sacred moment that last for 48 minutes ..🎉 1:28:50
more adjectives - appropriative, ungenerative, constructed, unrooted, heres a related one from chomsky "reflecting the unanalyzed accidents of it's environment"
FIRST....and the coolest!
[kitty makes kindergarten child's mocking face says "na na na na na na", pulls Ms. Helena's pigtail sticks tongue out at her after completely owning her] 😸
@@NinjaKittyBonks (Steals kitty's milk off his lunch tray. Proceeds to drink all of the milk then smiles.)
@@helenablavatsky9136 .... [Kitty withholds laughter. Within moments, Ms. 🐾 will feel a bit queasy, as milk was laced with 10K grams ultra-high concentrate caffeine then clones test activation of level 500 UBER playtimez set to commence in 3.... 2.... 1... 😼]
@@NinjaKittyBonks (Helena starts to get jittery. She suddenly runs over to a nearby lunch table and begins to scoop mashed potatoes off of random students' trays with her hands. Smiling, she throws the mashed potatoes at the clones and kitty. She then yells, "FOOD FIGHT!"
The cafeteria soon erupts into a whirlwind of ketchup, mustard, tater tots, mashed potatoes and hamburger patties. Helena continues to go ape shi*t while the clones open their mouths wide in the hopes of catching some of the food. Kitty becomes so buried in mashed potatoes that he can barely see.)
@@helenablavatsky9136 ... 🙀going full tater-tot and hamburger patties? The Kitty was not prepared for such depravity 😿
Well this was an intellectual roller coaster. I'm not a fan of roller coasters. The last one I went on was old school, at six flags. Memorable and useful for honing survival instincts.
35:38 LOL me 3
Love the chickens
yt removed my comment of "Let's do this 🐈", because such hateful bigoted theatre snacks must never be allowed to oppress anyone ever again!
Hi bonks
@@RonCopperman .. well, a happy 🐈 * boop * backacha 😸
1:16:50 “ the difference between community and communion is that communion is grounded in a deeper reality that is intrinsically whole.”
Would love for Jordan to engage Peter Rollins on this point.
Perhaps, I would like to talk to him myself about this.
Essentially, I would ask if his “wholeness” is free from what Rollins calls the “libidinal
pursuit of the Lack.” And the Lack is “that which promises to make you whole and complete.”
A lot of bifurcation diagrams: Catholicism to reformation
Everything is an iteration
Walk with God: I find it possible to continually “ pray” to be nearly OCD about praise consciously and subconsciously to the point of almost being worried that you’ll say “ thank you Jesus “( or something similar) when someone starts speaking to you.
I ought to get back to that place. I suppose I fall out of it the fewer dangers I face.
Jordan Hall talks and talks and says..Nothing. Maybe that's why he's becoming popular.
Proposing it might go above your head simply
Hi Jordan, can you game this out? If we “hoe a pandemic” by hobbling human beings innate immune system and ability to train itself. If we interfere with the natural progress of the virus through blocking measures, what are the consequences? Here’s one scenario we can observe in real time; by blocking its natural progress to endemicity, we are forcing the virus to mutate, wildly, in an effort to bypass those blocking mechanisms. For the virus to survive and reach endemicity we have caused it to mutate into versions that trick our innate immune systems, bypass our natural defences and force a twist to a more virulent strain from a previously infectious one. Intra host rather than inter host. What’s the result? Endemicity achieved. How? By extinction event and civilisation collapse in one. Who, is paying attention?
Noooo, you can have your different New Agey religions WITHIN liberal society, but without that hands-off overlay/structure, basically all the different sects would just be fighting.
Nice chickens!
Silkies! 🐔❤
32:00 wholeness
30:20 sanity game a
42:05 🥁 🎶
35:50 shapeshifter
1:13:40 good god man. Wow
This guy rocks side to side, curious. I'm not sure if it's self soothing or predatory! Perhaps he's sitting on a Pilates ball...
The beat does not emerge the tone.
The beat is always the tone. Redshift::blueshift
Wave particle
Y'all look alike.
28:30 🧠
The Obvious as Inspiration. This isn't terribly profound. A lot of buzzwords, about one every 25 words. Doesn't mean it isn't true.
24:30 🙈🙊🙉
Admittedly knowing nothing about the guest at all, this conversation got me really excited and deeply interested in where it will end, until the "I became a disciple of Christ" bit ... Shallow pseudo-christian platitudes followed, and the seemingly smart and sophisticated man was reduced to a boring member of (insert whatever) congregation full of "led by the Holy Spirit" BS.. I feel like a TW (an example of one sentence where the guy says he prays.. would be enough!) is needed for this particular conversation. Over an hour of my time wasted on this nonsense.. Can we please get back to common sense?
crazy word salad for 1 and a half hours. when techbros do religion
Salad is good for you. There's way too much junk food on UA-cam, this was a nice change.
@@tux1968 need meat
It's the Neurohacker grift
It's a different language, not word salad. He's communicating actaul concepts, but you need time to learn the language before you can understand what he's saying.
@@Mamothrept there is a word, its "jargon". not a different language. at best it can be considered poetry maybe lol
26:30🚽
Is it me or is this just complete BS?