The Total State of Auron MacIntyre
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Auron MacIntyre (@AuronMacIntyre) is a deft right-wing commenter who delves into the vicissitudes of managerialism and what he calls The Total State-which he just wrote a book about-which we discuss at length.
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It's the same for virtually every basic staple like that. I worked in a pasta factory. Same pasta going into 10 different branded boxes. There might be quality tiers and some variations but it's all coming from the same factories. Capitalism encourages the creation of illusions based on our desires for status and quality that can be easily manipulated. Communism of course pretends to eliminate that but it's just based on envy rather than virtue.
As a vague follower of both of you, I honestly thought you guys were the same person before this. There's certainly a strong resemblance.
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I was just noticing the resemblance after clicking. Not a familial resemblance but one of sartorial style.
It doesn't matter.
You're obv. a dude. Discerning women notice the unique types of handsome behind the beards and glasses.
Kudos BB, maybe the best (non rote) AM interview (I've seen)... Well done, gentlemen!
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I'm going to order one, this is the first I've heard of it and it sounds fascinating!
Hi Ben, This is another interesting discussion. 👍🏼 I really appreciate how you introduce thinkes that we might not be so familiar with.
But why did you post a picture of yourself twice.
You two look almost exactly alike dress exactly alike, and have the exact same soft voice. Kind of uncanny imo
13:00 What is the left?
To get a more detailed answer to “Isn’t Christianity kind of Revolutionary?” You should talk to Fr Turbo Qualls of The Royal Path Podcast. He’s a black Eastern Orthodox Priest serving in Inner city Kansas City
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He should have called it the absolute state
If the state is total then why/how does it keep growing?
29:47
Are you going to introduce the cat to us? I want to meet the cat…
I want to see their board game shelves.
It was the most interesting part of the interview for them. Their intonation actually changed
TLDR: touch grass. And that goes for the kitties as well.
Maybe Auron should quit baitin' on Twitter then.
ASMR at its finest.
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I am noticing some sartorial similarities here, gentlemen.
Right-wing Ben meets Leftwing Ben
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That so many right-wingers miss this fact is very telling.
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I think Christianity is the somewhat linguistically archaic, codification and representation of a set of bundled group traits.
did you just call chri.stians ph.a55ots?
@@aslkdjfzxcv9779 Because of "bundled," that's c13v3r.
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Man I envy people on the right's sense of tradition and purpose, and I agree with so much about the overreach of government that the modern left largely encourages and demands, but there is just no way your average secular joe is going to give a shit about this neo-Christian future so often projected. Despising the left can cause people to not despise Christianity, but all I ever hear from the religious right as an argument is variations of 'It's right because it says so.' I say this as someone quite sympathetic to Christianity.
Concern for the normies is overrated
I think Ben's q's about how far back can you go until conservatism's roots are revolutionary or leftist point to the kind of human universal ethics that Auryn wants to deny but cant deny in my opiniion.
Definitely the Protestant Reformation.
Auron was giving very easy concise answers since this episode is about his book, which is about our current situation.
Your whole proposition rests on a linear view of history, whig history. Which is inherently false.
Yay Auron!
We have fifty states, that leaves fifty different places where people from different ideologies can vote with their feet to self segregate if the federal government collapses. If we can’t learn to live with each other we can live separately.
35:00 why does art have to be political at all? The framing of the answer is just wrong.
Yes, the Byzantine _EMPIRE_ built the Hagia Sophia. It wasn't built out of a sense of altruism or art for the sake of beauty.
I always make this point, but yes, the functional, federal apparatus of government doesn't "value" anything, at least not in the ways and complexities described in this discussion. (It's perhaps a broad composite of some shared values to some extent, for the sake of mere practical utility).
That would only reliably happen if we all lived in villages, fully autonomous communities in a small world. It's not up to the government to primarily emphasize a rich patchwork of culturally derived, interconnected values. It's up to the groups and individuals through the course of their own lives, interactions and traditions, (who are protected during wartime and minimally/moderately governed during peacetime BY this malleable, effable superstructure,) to retain or remake, their own values, sense of meaning, local cultures, etc.
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I love listening to these stwm wasps discuss their concerns because, ironically, we don't hear their perspective much in the main stream.
“Stwm”?
@@BenjaminABoyce straight white men...idk. I think I just made that up😄
Benjamin is not a wasp, I don't know if McIntyre is.
@@John-Brown he's not?
"WASP" is a state of mind and culture like the "Boomer" meme. But WASP is good and what leftoid trolls mean by it is supposed to be evil
43:35 This whole part is rly good by MacIntyre. As a non-believer, I was using the Church/State dichotomized construct from a secular perspective, to delineate the nature of group-level social engagement for particular individuals, in a "multicultural" society (in previous channel comments).
The crux was, this notion of Church by its very nature has narrower scope and deeper roots, and State vice versa. It's important that a large society have both, but I also posited that Church (which as MacIntyre articulates well, is necessarily specific and distinctive in its local incarnation, Douglas Murray also makes this point well,) must usually correspond with groups of ppl who have been present in a community for an extended period of time, and might typically be a particular ethnocultural group, or combination of a few groups.
In contrast, I reffered to new immigrants as an example of persons who would not immediately have the depth of cultural belonging implied by Church, and might be (at least temporarily) more oriented toward the pseudo-culture of State. It's possible that this is necessarily a transient stage, in a functional society, and demands too much of State, although I previously made a somewhat different argument related to this topic, incorporating a few other variables.
That previous analysis involved, in part, a suggestion that human gene expression may be suppressed in a novel environment, until/unless the depth of local familiarity necessary is established to shift toward the Church polarity, additionally the most adaptive perceived position on the continuum at a given time, might inherently denote a feeling of "meaning" via proper "alignment," perhaps definable in this case as niche adaptation.
If I understand your line of thinking here you seem to think that immigrants would be outsiders to Church. But the religions are all supra-national. A Catholic immigrant from Nigeria to Japan would find a Catholic community already there.
@@slash_em True (and this might help facilitate assimilation) but remember, the essence of the argument of localists and conservatives, is that there are core differences for particular groups and cultures, in particular places, and within specific communities. And therefore that genuine, deep-rooted social engagement, is only possible at the local level.
(Overarching government will always be somewhat 'administrative' and wide-ranging with shallow roots, which doesn't mean it shouldn't exist).
WASP doesnt exist as a meaningful distinction. Austrian,German, English, Gypsy, Spanish, Sicilian, etc are meaningful distinctions
It did prior to the 1960's. There's a lot of that WASPish culture still exists in rich parts of the Northeast.
Anglo Saxon Puritan Scottish English Enlightenment with a Rejection of Tradition
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16:48 Fair point, I think we're simply united by "small c" conservatism, I'm gonna gather us all together, I'll call it the ARC Conference (lol).
clash of civilization nonsense uggh
Really? What's the matter with trying to describe reality and how states,peoples and civilizations function?
Do you want TOTAL WAR...i mean total state!?
The resolution on the topic can always be in better detail however you have to start somewhere.
@@MrDanno2 He's just doing the leftoid thing where they reject cultural difference because it disproves their "united world underclass" bullshit
Lol nice, I can haz board games?
There's nothing here. We can't even arrive at a functional definition of Left and Right and that was the part of the conversation by the half way mark that almost got somewhere.
We don't need people to kick in doors we just choose to use them for political reasons
True. The reason goatherders > drones is because politics, not because of secret goat milking technique.
this is completely untrue, you cannot police a population or win a war with only air power, you need boots on the ground and the willingness to die; the US lacks that will since Vietnam and will never win a conflict again because of it.
The absolute state of booking
I'm a moderate, who's been sort of lurking in the online right space for a while.
The thing is, Auron's just not correct, specifically in that de-globalization will see enormous profit and re-shoring of manufacturing/industry for the US, beginning within the next decade. You can't say it's not working at all, and that it isn't going to work. Geopolitically and economically, the future, and near-future, are very bright for the US. (Ppl will benefit from these developments, enabled by more/less the existing system).
Also, it seems ridiculous to suggest that the ideas established in the nation's founding, haven't been largely retained, and recapitulated periodically over the decades and centuries. It doesn't make sense to reduce the founding charter, to the exact policies that were in effect at the time. (That's a straw-man).
The justifiable criticism involves a civil society push for a healthier culture. This seems more in line with Benjamin's ethos (which is probably one reason I like this channel) and involves a brand of localism, that stops short of a fundamental critique, and total restructuring of the nation.
Regarding Benjamin's position specifically, I don't mean to project my own opinions: as far as a "total restructuring of the nation," he questions ppl on this often, and seems interested in the subject, and possible alternatives along these lines. But from what I've heard, while he recognizes and explores some core challenges of our system, I have yet to hear anything amounting to a total repudiation of the foundations of liberal society.
*Catz rule.
This guy is off base. Maybe others will pick up on that. If you really need a place to start noticing, his discussion of the US founding documents around 10 mins should make it clear.
You mean the part were is accurately pointed out that the US constitution only works for the people it was made for? That you can't Print it out and hand it to any other group of people and have it work? Make no mistake, the constitution was functionally dead the minute the ink was dry; as soon as the population that made it died off it ceased to matter.