I Tried The NEW Prayerbook, This Is What I Found

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  • The prayerbook is close to being good but needs refinement, a lot of the prayers are completely useless and others are incredibly overpowered. There’s many locations the ruinous powers are unusable and many you’d be silly NOT to use them. Ideally the prayerbook should always be used at any activity at the highest level, there shouldn’t be a competitive speedrun done on the old prayerbook. It should be something that adds depth and complexity and something you start using once you feel very comfortable at any given pvm.
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  • @GnomonkeyRS
    @GnomonkeyRS  Рік тому +40

    Sax's write up for cruor's vow -
    Cruor's Vow Rework
    Short desc.
    Successful attacks on an enemy add bleed stacks. Moving enemies bleed out. Less effective on very agile targets.
    Long desc.
    Each successful hitsplat on an enemy adds bleed stacks. The more bleed stacks on an enemy, the more stacks the next attack will add (up to a cap of 50 stacks). Each tick that enemy moves, half the stacks will be consumed (rounding down) and deal damage based on how many stacks were on the enemy prior to its movement.
    Sounds familiar? Zebak's chomp already has a similar effect!
    For example, let's see how this would work on Bloat from ToB with a Scythe, [the best possible damage output case for this prayer]:
    Bloat "goes down"
    (For simplicity, let's assume your scythe always rolls 3 successful hitsplats.)
    You attack Bloat. (Bloat has 1+2+3 = 6 stacks.)
    You attack Bloat again. (Bloat has 6 + 4+5+6 = 21 stacks.)
    You attack Bloat again. (Bloat has 21 + 7+8+9 = 45 stacks.)
    You attack Bloat one more time (Bloat has 45 + 10 = 55 stacks, rounded down to 50 because he's at the cap.)
    (Let's decide for now that 1 stack = 0.5 damage, rounding down. This can be balanced later.)
    He stands up for the first time and moves,
    He takes 50 stacks worth of damage (25 dmg).
    He moves again. He takes 25 stacks worth of damage (12 dmg).
    He moves again. He takes 12 stacks worth of damage (6 dmg).
    He moves again. He takes 6 stacks worth of damage (3 dmg).
    He moves again. He takes 3 stacks worth of damage (1 dmg).
    He moves again. He takes 1 stack worth of damage (0 dmg).
    All of the stacks are now consumed.
    Let's assume you decide to hit bloat while he's already moving.
    He moves on the next tick, consuming the stack immediately, taking only 1 stack worth of damage (0 dmg).
    It's completely useless again targets that always move and less effective against enemies that move frequently as you won't be able to gather as many stacks. This prevents the prayer being too strong on targets that you would already normally kite (Zilyana for example). You also don't have to *camp* the vow, only turning it on when the opportunity arises.
    This enables a minigame that can be played to make the most of this prayer. Players would now have the choice of thinking about an NPC's positioning and their own. For example, "pogtanking" Verzik p3 would now have a big benefit, as you could stack bleed onto her and move her only after she reaches her cap.
    Thoughts? Feedback? Feel free to leave a comment!

    • @saxerpillar5128
      @saxerpillar5128 Рік тому +5

      I love this guy

    • @Baun92
      @Baun92 Рік тому +5

      I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you, though. Or sorry that happened.

    • @abee127
      @abee127 Рік тому +4

      @@saxerpillar5128 Sax, you inspire me to be the best version of myself that I can be

    • @Ben_Gates
      @Ben_Gates Рік тому +1

      I like this, What are your thoughts on these stacks healing you? Lets say 3 stacks (rounded down) = 1hp healed. So 3 to 5 stacks would be 1 hp until 6 stacks = 2 hp, etc.
      I think the healing would be made more niche, while also more usful where it can be applied.

    • @NickInts
      @NickInts Рік тому +2

      If you scythe bloat while he's walking, shouldn't he take 6 stacks? Akin to the first scythe when he goes down.

  • @noahmiller7063
    @noahmiller7063 Рік тому +6

    “Ya BuT wHaT dO yOu ThInK aBoUt OdA?”

  • @Ben_Gates
    @Ben_Gates Рік тому +51

    Metabolize is good for pvp where you do use hard food. Getting your attack in 1 tick faster is huge. Keep it.
    I love your changes to the Vows. I have a good one for Fumas tho.
    While poisoned, Fumas vow slows prayer drain based on poison severity, and all poison damage dealt to your hp is equally healed as prayer points. This could work to offset the intense prayer drain of the spell book in some circumstances at the cost of further loses to your hp.

    • @bobmathrotus1474
      @bobmathrotus1474 Рік тому +7

      Metabolize would also be insane at cg, and I feel like it would also have some potential for content where you use purple sweets to tick eat, as you would now be able to gain 1 tick on the target every attack.

    • @loladinn12
      @loladinn12 Рік тому +1

      @@bobmathrotus1474 running cg with t1 and the deflect prayers sounds like a bad time though

    • @OSRS2ndBase
      @OSRS2ndBase Рік тому

      Just wanted to point out that in the ***absolute worst case scenario,*** Ruinous Powers have a higher drain rate than Standard Prayers by a factor of 1.7

  • @Dudewatsup
    @Dudewatsup Рік тому +46

    this video is based more towards pvm so i understand why you said metabolise is bad, i believe it will be great in pvp/pking since combo eating IS something that happens during combat

    • @OSRS2ndBase
      @OSRS2ndBase Рік тому +5

      Glad someone pointed this out

  • @TRY0N
    @TRY0N Рік тому +21

    another gnomonkey banger. always great to hear your take, very informative and well-thought

  • @Le_vonn
    @Le_vonn Рік тому +4

    Scrap the whole book

  • @Forged4War206
    @Forged4War206 Рік тому +22

    I don't know how Reddit thinks these Prayers need to be scrapped when they can't even do content that requires them to leave the Woodcutting guild or Giant Mole.

    • @drainbramage3555
      @drainbramage3555 Рік тому +2

      At the same time the prayers shouldn't only be useful at the highest skill ceiling of players

  • @robmister2
    @robmister2 Рік тому +18

    Omg finally a well crafted and thoughtful take. Thank you gnomonkey you’re the hero we need but don’t deserve

  • @jakeman52
    @jakeman52 Рік тому +22

    Vile vigour is really good for ZMI on iron when you dont want to use stams.

    • @POVNewsNetwork
      @POVNewsNetwork Рік тому +5

      ah Yes thats what we needed - elite prayers to do runecrafting

    • @Sparrowly1
      @Sparrowly1 Рік тому +1

      @@POVNewsNetwork Also good for crystal impling hunting in prif and useful as a 1 time energy restore in puro puro when dark lure is used.
      BTW Vile Vigour is the arceuus spell. You're thinking of Ruinous Grace based on your reply.

    • @Cendir320
      @Cendir320 Рік тому +3

      @@POVNewsNetwork not trying to be that guy but i specficially remember jagex saying the new prayer book was supposed to include prayers for multiple instances of content, not just combat.

  • @coldwave2774
    @coldwave2774 Рік тому +4

    I can't stand those reddit mouth breathers begging them to scrap this. Its insane that Jagex uses reddit as the games official forum to begin with.

  • @aurarus
    @aurarus Рік тому +2

    "Not sure about the perfect solution" - in regards to overhead protection
    What about the original pitch: 2 sets of protection overheads (absorb/ dampen), one chips prayer the other chips health?

    • @blazorb5907
      @blazorb5907 Рік тому +1

      Perfect solution was blocks 100% damage like reg prayer book but reduces all your defense by 33%. Duh.

  • @VectorCross
    @VectorCross Рік тому +8

    I would keep Metabolise because of pvp but it probably needs to have either a lower drain rate for the 15 second ramp time or keep the drain rate the same but lower the ramp time to 10 seconds or so.

  • @sum-dum_nerd
    @sum-dum_nerd Рік тому +2

    ill tell ya you missed nothing using the prayers in toa. the reflects were okay, i even put on quiet prayers to let it really work for its intended purpose but didnt seem that beneficial. without quiet prayers it was basicly the same as norm book except you have vows which heals did lots of nothing and the poison you could only use certain rooms. gambit seemed to really shine, maybe instead of a whole new book we instead have a prayer expansion that adds the vows in a less buggy/more beneficial, gambit and the prayer boosts seems pretty significant all of the rest just looked like filler for an excuse for a new book instead of a set of prayer prots/boosts gambit and vows we could just unlock

  • @Xeppeling
    @Xeppeling Рік тому +22

    Alright, Jagex, here it is. Some of the only feedback actually worth listening to

    • @mastermight2
      @mastermight2 Рік тому +1

      You don't balance a game around the extreme high end, cause that's when you get a game like Wildstar.

    • @YOUTY209
      @YOUTY209 Рік тому +2

      @@mastermight2 in this case though it is supposed to be end game content. Additionally I agree, don’t balance for the extremes, but you do want your content to work with those extremes; those are your most dedicated players, the ones most likely to have multiple accounts, introduce the game to their friends, and make content (like this) that pushes the social media reach of your games. They are also actively asking for feedback and trying to precisely tweak the effects of the prayers; casual players are both unlikely to give feedback (just look at the beta worlds player count) and the least likely to be bothered by or even notice minor tweaks.
      Tl;dr yes, the game should cater to more than just the extreme outlier players, but it’s still important that your content updates work for them even though they aren’t catered to just them.

    • @TheIcecreamtaco
      @TheIcecreamtaco Рік тому

      @@mastermight2 it’s literally locked behind a grandmaster quest

    • @mastermight2
      @mastermight2 Рік тому

      @@TheIcecreamtaco a grandmaster quest can be completed by someone who can't even get a fire cape so?

    • @TheIcecreamtaco
      @TheIcecreamtaco Рік тому

      @@mastermight2 not anymore, you need like 75 ranged minimum to beat ds2, which is the same time you get fire cape. Also if they’re not even going to get a fire cape, a discussion about offensive prayers wouldn’t even apply

  • @MegaMonomer
    @MegaMonomer Рік тому +2

    the prayers largely do the same things and are used in the same way as the old ones, whats the point?

  • @TheAzzkickerz
    @TheAzzkickerz Рік тому +4

    as someone who did some 500s on beta worlds due to a spooned yellow gem, can say that prayers definitely aren't unplayable and theyre very good, zebak with essentially more accurate quiet prayers chip is as annoying as ever, but very doable and the prayers are very good. as a question, do you think its ever worth taking the b ring upgrade or new magic ring over lightbearer even as something like a switch or is the quality of life of having more spec too good to pass up? great content as always

    • @x3LightNinG
      @x3LightNinG Рік тому +2

      im nowhere near as professional as u guys but i always think having special regen that rapid is always a no brainer and should always be chosen over other rings lol as long as the special attacks are consistent like zcb/voidwaker, which i think more alike specs will be introduced in the future

    • @dvst_tv
      @dvst_tv Рік тому +2

      I was doing my normal TOA runs just without the gem on beta worlds. The chip damage wasn’t felt at all, there WAS less room for mistakes as I’d have lower hp by the end of the room, but unless I made a mistake I never had to heal more than normal. To offset the prayer drain I used devout boots instead of prims, in hindsight this wasn’t needed but either way my melee dps was still significantly higher despite the lack of prims. I also played around with a ring of suffering and it felt very strong. And finally by the time I made it to warden I had more restores than normal, due to the lack of a yellow keris ofc, but I had a significant excess of supplies.

    • @TheAzzkickerz
      @TheAzzkickerz Рік тому

      @@dvst_tv if youre running higher invocs and some of your team dies rather than being able to solo it, sometimes you can die outright at higher invocs due to chip damage alone especially at zeb level 4 in my experience. i could see suffering being good, but that also requires you to take damage to be useful, and the defence for anything that isnt a boss is a non issue imo. i would much rather have +12 str bonus or +8% magic damage in toa in most cases im pretty sure if i didnt take lighbearer

  • @kirklol6016
    @kirklol6016 Рік тому +6

    6:50 whatever makes scythe more useful in this game i will vote for. its so useless rn and out matched by shittier and easier weapons to obtain

  • @LieV2
    @LieV2 Рік тому +1

    Been waiting for this video. a bit sad you didn't put any footage of using the new prayers.

  • @TheOneMagpie
    @TheOneMagpie Рік тому +1

    They stupidly tried to make a 'risk vs reward' prayer book to sit alongside the vanilla version, without realising maybe it would've just made more fucking sense to have it 100% specialised and focused around streamlining basic slayer further and/or giving a new angle to PvP. This idea by Jagex that it should at all even be considered for raids or bosses is awful, and feels like a massive waste of energy pursuing it design-wise.

  • @Josh-sm6td
    @Josh-sm6td Рік тому +5

    curses were rs2 not rs3.

    • @blazorb5907
      @blazorb5907 Рік тому

      Curses was also only op for melee. Shit for range. Have fun 5% leech that gets to 10% if you don't turn off lol

    • @Josh-sm6td
      @Josh-sm6td Рік тому +1

      @@blazorb5907 i mean ive been saying that they would have to still add range and mage variants to turmoil, so no i would be having fun with the equivalent curses not leeches. The majority of the player base wanted something that discouraged prayer flicking and was a direct upgrade combat wise. Curses offer that far better than what is currently proposed or what gno here is suggesting. Tbh the suggestions in this video seem more fitting for the game that has abilities and key binds and action bars than it does for point and click.

  • @Ceeyal8rr
    @Ceeyal8rr Рік тому

    Thank you for this! Very well explained as always

  • @sbs2798uu
    @sbs2798uu Рік тому +1

    thoughts on Mod Trident and Stella?

  • @ryan0348
    @ryan0348 Рік тому +2

    Are they still making it one tick unflickable? That was the worst thing to hear imo as I love 1 ticking.

    • @dvst_tv
      @dvst_tv Рік тому

      I didn’t notice anything about this in the beta and they haven’t mentioned it in any recent blogs. I personally wouldn’t mind if some of the prayers had a “ramp up” like old turmoil did. Maybe gambit would be a good candidate for it, starting at 6% accuracy but if left on for X ticks it could build up to 10%. Anyway they didn’t end up using it

    • @GnomonkeyRS
      @GnomonkeyRS  Рік тому +2

      They backtracked, you CAN 1 tick

    • @yazan774
      @yazan774 Рік тому +1

      @@dvst_tv There's no skill to it

  • @YikesMb
    @YikesMb Рік тому +2

    Always love the in depth content from ya

  • @capslock5704
    @capslock5704 Рік тому +2

    Add protect item
    Pls gagek

  • @IvanGarelli
    @IvanGarelli Рік тому +1

    Great video and suggestions

  • @guidegenius6003
    @guidegenius6003 Рік тому +1

    Honestly, just give us Ancient Curses. It won’t be the same as RS3 because there is no EOC.

  • @Jake-qy1sf
    @Jake-qy1sf Рік тому +1

    loved the vid and thought everything you said was perfect. are ancient curses on the table though? i'd +1 that

  • @BigDaddyWes
    @BigDaddyWes Рік тому

    I guess I missed the required reading assignment because I don't know what any of these prayers actually do.

  • @buddyfighchya8344
    @buddyfighchya8344 Рік тому

    all your ideas are great and wont actually fuck pvp very nice vid

  • @conovan5081
    @conovan5081 Рік тому

    Man I have zero exp to make an opinion here I just want to thank you for reminding me baba is you exists

  • @ej7878
    @ej7878 Рік тому

    Is that Baba Is You as the background music?

  • @andrewevans7992
    @andrewevans7992 Рік тому +5

    We definitely need curses.. these prayers are trash

  • @dvst_tv
    @dvst_tv Рік тому +1

    I would love to see vows be more situational than they currently are. They’re interesting and different. Anyone who thinks the prayer drain on the new book is too high is *probably* camping vows, without them the drain feels really balanced for the increased dps and utility. I also like the chip damage personally, it does restrict some content but I think that’s healthy, I’m not sure I like the reflect damage though as it’s just additional dps coming from a mechanic that doesn’t feel good to begin with.

  • @Nothing2Interesting
    @Nothing2Interesting Рік тому +1

    By far one of the brightest minds in our community. It blows my mind you dont work for Jagex yet.

  • @wizardmadnes8035
    @wizardmadnes8035 Рік тому +1

    sounds like power kreep

  • @thaflowie
    @thaflowie Рік тому

    Would be more fun if that pray adding mage dmg to attacks was 3 prays each converting ur hits into mage range or melee. Could be kinda broken tho i guess

  • @framed9240
    @framed9240 Рік тому +1

    ill never get it, why they didnt add turmoil prayers.

    • @blazorb5907
      @blazorb5907 Рік тому

      Because it was o.p and it made everyone switch to that prayer book. I personally liked curses,

  • @ReverenceQ2
    @ReverenceQ2 Рік тому

    hey, what addon is that which displays the percentage number/health colouring? cheers

  • @frankg7786
    @frankg7786 Рік тому

    Omg so nice the baba is you soundtrack

  • @xlpizza007
    @xlpizza007 9 місяців тому

    Getting ready 4 Leagues boyz?

  • @mikkoitasalo8940
    @mikkoitasalo8940 Рік тому +3

    I know you do only pvm and propably hate pvp. But if you are judging prayers as they are, you have to include all sides from them - pk aspect as well.

    • @ListensToStuff
      @ListensToStuff Рік тому +5

      I understand that, but be real, he can't really talk about pvp when he has 0 experience. Saying noone uses hard food should be a good enough indicator to look elsewhere for a pvp take on the new book.

    • @mikkoitasalo8940
      @mikkoitasalo8940 Рік тому +1

      @@ListensToStuff but you simply cant do full overview including changes/whats wrong without speaking also pvp aspects. You just cant :D im not saying he is wrong. But he is including now 50% of the game. And you cant change anything if you cover just 50% of the game.

    • @ListensToStuff
      @ListensToStuff Рік тому +1

      I just don't think he'd do a good job. He's an elite pvm player. He can offer great advice in that aspect. His thoughts regarding pvp are worth less than yours and mine.
      I'm waiting for a really well rounded player (ex: Solo Mission) to discuss them or a pvp type (ex: Rhys) to discuss that perspective.

    • @Sparrowly1
      @Sparrowly1 Рік тому +3

      @@mikkoitasalo8940 the pvp community is significantly less than 50% of the total players.

    • @mikkoitasalo8940
      @mikkoitasalo8940 Рік тому +1

      @@Sparrowly1 is that your argument to cancel one full aspect of osrs in general?

  • @dalesaunders8458
    @dalesaunders8458 Рік тому +1

    Hello, I agree that changes should be made and that some of the prayers are useless as is. I feel the book should benefit all player skill bases not just the elite and should be best for pvp and pvm needing a grandmaster quest to unlock it.
    Also I like that the rs3 curses have the best damage boosting prayer at 95/99 as it gives people a reason to push high levels, I feel the most powerful boosting prayers at lv 76/80 is to low and should minimum be 85.
    The average player will like extra damage to help them overcome bosses they might not be able to do with out the extra help and damage.
    Maybe a tweaked ancient curses is the way?

    • @blazorb5907
      @blazorb5907 Рік тому

      Curses didn't have rigiour or Augury

    • @dalesaunders8458
      @dalesaunders8458 Рік тому

      @@blazorb5907 I mean if you look now at the rs3 book they now have a ranged/mage version of turmoil, obviously you need prayers for all 3 combat styles. I don't even mind if they copied what rs3 did and have all 3 combat styles all at 95 prayer for the strongest prayers in game

    • @yazan774
      @yazan774 Рік тому

      This is supposed to be a more advanced prayer book

    • @dalesaunders8458
      @dalesaunders8458 Рік тому

      @@yazan774 I agree, which is why I want the best prayers to be unlocked at higher prayer levels and why I note its behind a grandmaster quest. When I say all players I mean not just the top 5% of pvm people.

  • @ikillyou121
    @ikillyou121 Рік тому +4

    Accursed sceptre would be nice on beta worlds too :)

  • @jesserivera6611
    @jesserivera6611 Рік тому +2

    New skill, new prayers, new irl goals. Appears my rs career is soon to end

  • @Littlebigdude5
    @Littlebigdude5 Рік тому

    love the FTL music!

  • @Bawitdabadabangdadang
    @Bawitdabadabangdadang Рік тому

    FTL soundtrack is amazing!

  • @ryan0348
    @ryan0348 Рік тому +1

    Forget the calculations for a second. I want the prayers effects to draw thematically from what one could think of as being at the root of these ancient powers. Creativity people!

  • @zestalingrad221
    @zestalingrad221 Рік тому

    CG test possible?

  • @bknighty28
    @bknighty28 Рік тому +1

    as a top 0.01%er as a pvmer, your opinion matters but these prayers are boring af and super underwhelming for probably a high majority of the player base. I don't know if I'd prefer curses but I absolutely would prefer to scrap this new book as is. It doesn't change anything except make the game more sweaty for literally the top 1%.

    • @FearOfGodx
      @FearOfGodx Рік тому +1

      100% agree with you. And hope jagex see this as well

  • @NachoTheDemon
    @NachoTheDemon Рік тому +4

    I'd rather Jagex poll Ancients Curses Pre EoC circa 2009 (RS2) with a rebalance to the Soulsplit Healing effect vs Npcs in PVM since that's where all the complaints are coming from, over this rsps styled themed experimental "new prayer book" doesn't fit at all. It's completely alien. Is this RS4?

    • @yazan774
      @yazan774 Рік тому +1

      Curses are boring af no thank you

  • @codyl4961
    @codyl4961 Рік тому

    Now it’s scrapped lmao

  • @surgalips9
    @surgalips9 Рік тому +1

    This is the same as EOC

  • @branm9926
    @branm9926 Рік тому

    great stuff thanks

  • @Trenz0
    @Trenz0 Рік тому

    Nice FTL music. Love that game

  • @jacobtherobertson
    @jacobtherobertson Рік тому

    One of the vows should:if you miss an attack with melee for example, it would reroll a rebranded mage attack with your mage bonuses to the target. It could be for like 1/10th the adjusted possible max hit.

  • @MrRsErik
    @MrRsErik Рік тому

    the solution to chip damage is to add the chip effect onto the offensive prayers so if your using offensive prayers your taking 10% damage through your protect so if you want to prevent all damage you have to flick your offensive prayer

  • @serealfurst
    @serealfurst Рік тому

    I think we could also fix Cruor's vow by making it heal more (maybe around 3-5%?) but only having it be usable for for a period with a cooldown after. Would allow it to be more impactful while also adding an element of strategy in to how / when it would be used. The percent it heals and the cooldown (maybe 30 seconds up with a 2.5 minutes cooldown after?) would be, in my opinion easier to balance than the razors edge that is adding an up 100% of the time you have the pray points pseudo soul split. I think in general if we treated all the vows like this (by applying stronger effects but varying cooldown times) it would make the whole concept of the book feel more rewarding and change the way our character interacts with the prayer book in a similar way to how the ancient Spellbook changed magic back in the day.
    (BTW you could also take the cooldown idea and apply it to the Cruors vow bleed rework Sax and yourself came up with. I think it could be helpful to add a cooldown, if having a bleed effect up every time it would be useful proves to be too powerful when tested.)

  • @badman5
    @badman5 Рік тому +4

    While I agree with most of your changes and recommendations, I think you're overlooking the average player. The average player is not a god tier pvmer like you, and therefore some of these can be too punishing for them. For example, I agree that the higher level offensive prayers should have negative defense, but I worry that -25% may be too much. I disagree on changing Fumus vow. It does need to be fixed where broken, but I otherwise really enjoyed the risk vs reward of that prayer.

  • @davidmaccarone6473
    @davidmaccarone6473 Рік тому

    You seem to be near the top of PvM content so I'm glad you made this video to give some insight, but I do have a couple questions. Mainly, how necessary do you feel this type of content is at this point in the game? For instance, if they had actually released a prayerbook entirely dedicated to skilling-related prayers, essentially leaving you and others that share the same preferred gameplay loop as you with no new content outside of the DT2 bosses. Would you feel like you're close to running out of content you're interested in doing at the moment?
    Also, with these prayer suggestions, personally I'm beginning to question Jagex's quality of theorycrafting. If releasing these prayers, do you trust them going forward to release content that now has to be balanced around both sets of prayers? It already seems difficult considering all the factors that have to be weighed, and its becoming clear that they don't have anybody on staff that understands them as well as somebody in your position.
    I feel like this content cycle is a lot all at once. I don't think it should all be scrapped, but feel pretty confidently that most of these things could be trickled into the game after more R&D and feedback, however I'm not nearly at the level of nitty-gritty top end game knowledge as yourself, so I'd be interested to know your perspective.

    • @JuliETrevA
      @JuliETrevA Рік тому +1

      My dude, there's still months before the book gets released in game + another beta period with implementation of feedback from this current beta. It's why they're making betas in the first place, so they can get feedback.
      This idea that they're rolling in content too fast just seems ridiculous to me considering how careful they're being with all of it.
      Also the reason why a skilling prayer book wasn't added is because every idea anyone came up with was boring as shit.

  • @milddivine146
    @milddivine146 Рік тому

    Thank you father gnomonkey, for without you I was blind.

  • @Pimaster31415
    @Pimaster31415 Рік тому

    Very much agree with this assessment (though Im not at this level of PvM).
    The problem with umbra you didn't really mention is that the amount of defense you lower is tuned a little low. It can take hundreds of damage to get anywhere close to the 15% reduction. For example I only was able to lower 3 or so defense against a dark beast (220 hp) while camping it the whole kill. It would need to be buffed just a bit since you have to hit high to overcome it rounding down.

    • @noobtablet101
      @noobtablet101 Рік тому +4

      Meant for bosses not general slayer

    • @dvst_tv
      @dvst_tv Рік тому

      It’s definitely meant for bosses and still a worse option than bringing something like a bgs. However it’s fun to use because it allows you to use dps spec weapons in places where a bgs was nearly mandatory before. I enjoyed it a lot at TOA for example

  • @samonsounds
    @samonsounds Рік тому

    You da best ty 🔥

  • @jackhofalot6705
    @jackhofalot6705 Рік тому +2

    complaining for 10 minute voice over a random raid instead of showing us at least some content of you using the prayers...

  • @daz-guitarmetalvideos7843
    @daz-guitarmetalvideos7843 Рік тому

    What music did you use in this video?

  • @8dolfonrunescape
    @8dolfonrunescape Рік тому +2

    This gnomo guys ideas are completely a joke and is just trying to make rs easy scape. As a elitist member of the high level HLC level community I completely disagree with him. Colorful prayers and widespread layout tests a players eyesight and apm. Grouping them together so it's easier to click may as well be the new auto hot keys. And so what if everyone plays with quiet prayers on? You're supposed to tick eat guthix rest + magic imbue every single second for max efficiency anyway. Too poor for blood fury? Too bad, maybe run a vyre alt? Not my problem that a dude who got 8 undeserved shadows can't afford to use blood fury for the new deflects. This gnomo guy needs to stay quiet and listen to reddit instead of blabbering on about his opinions when he still constantly planks at cms and toa.

    • @entonbray
      @entonbray Рік тому

      "stay quiet and listen to reddit".. well, there goes your credibility.

  • @evildemonllama
    @evildemonllama Рік тому

    Dammit. Now I gotta go play FTL.

  • @Jomonji
    @Jomonji Рік тому

    Cruor’s is hot garbage. It’s a 10% chance to heal 10% of the damage dealt. So a 1/10 chance to heal roughly a 2-4 on average. It’s literally the worst passive healing in the game. Blood fury is 20% chance to heal 30% of damage dealt; guthans is a 25% chance to heal 100% of damage dealt.
    Bloodfury and guthans obviously have downsides; fury consumes a bloodshard; guthans degrades and isn’t too accurate. Even so, cruor’s vow should at least be a viable option/alternative. It needs a buff. Something like keeping the 10% chance to proc heal but the % heal is between 35-40%, making heals still a little rare but they heal a good amount when they do go off; or a 35% to proc heal while keeping it at 10% heal from damage, making it more consistent small heals for better longevity over the course of a fight, but not a saving grace from big damage.
    Also the deflection prayers suck and it’s not what the player base had in mind when they voted for them. Players wanted deflection prayers as they were when ancient curses came out. 90% protection with 10% deflection 100% of the time. This nonsense or 90% protection with a 50% chance to deflect 10% damage is not what we wanted and Jagex knows that.

  • @BeefOSRS
    @BeefOSRS Рік тому

    Gameplay aside the color pallette is reason enoguh for me to vote no

  • @TheShortQuest
    @TheShortQuest Рік тому

    Great breakdown/ explanation. very well thought out, thank you.

  • @codyp3837
    @codyp3837 Рік тому

    Agree totally with the changes to deflects. Taking massive chip damage from jads was really dumb. I thought they'd do something similar to rs3s prayers, where certain monsters would just be blocked 100% of the time. Jads on rs3 last I checked still do no damage if you pray correctly, but almost every other npc hits through prayer slightly.

    • @iggysentyou
      @iggysentyou Рік тому +1

      Jads are coded differently, but every other pvm encounter in rs3 is 50% reduction for both prayer books. This is boosted to 60% while wearing the amulet of souls or essence of finality, and 100% while the devotion ability is active or either of the devoted perks is active.
      If we look instead at the curses prior to eoc (people often forget they did exist in rs2), the deflect curses did block 100% plus a 10% damage reflection, so they were straight-up better than protection prayers, and had a manageable requirement of 71 prayer for deflect melee.

  • @acumence
    @acumence Рік тому

    The GOAT has returned to bring us wisdom.

  • @3gq0h9q03hg
    @3gq0h9q03hg Рік тому

    SHEEEEEEEEEEESH

  • @badabumbadabam4477
    @badabumbadabam4477 Рік тому +2

    Bruh..just go work for jagex and make us a perfect game :D

  • @VallianceRS
    @VallianceRS Рік тому

    Overall I find the new prayers entirely uninteresting. They're just broken extra damage combined with boring and tedious chip damage. We don't need this. What gap is this filling?

    • @VallianceRS
      @VallianceRS Рік тому

      Add accuracy overhead flick prayer to normal prayer book. The magic damage prayer and we're sweet. This doesn't feel good enough or different enough to be its own book, and refining it till it is likely just means its THE new book, with no real reason to use old book anywhere except where CHIP is un-manageable (which is boring)

  • @lukelostit
    @lukelostit Рік тому

    that sheesh was so cringe

  • @madmad4769
    @madmad4769 Рік тому

    pog

  • @chris07081
    @chris07081 Рік тому

    Maybe less chip, 5%? Unless they make the blood vow more soul split like deflects chip damage are too much for osrs as praying correctly is half the game

  • @MrNozah
    @MrNozah Рік тому +13

    "Curses from rs3" they were introduced pre eoc and aren't the reason people quit until osrs. Stop parroting the reddit cry baby bullshit about everything currently in rs3 being a result of eoc/rs3. A lot of pre eoc updates were fine and a lot of content in osrs is just reskinned pre eoc content that people enjoy using.

    • @Kyle_Schaff
      @Kyle_Schaff Рік тому

      He never said anything about EOC or anything like that. He’s talked about why he thinks it’d be bad for the game in specifics in another video. What’s wrong with you, weirdo? Why such an asshole over something so innocuous?

    • @dvst_tv
      @dvst_tv Рік тому

      Curses really did help ruin the game, but other than EOC itself I don’t think there was any one thing that lead to the powercreep that killed the game. Either way these are only like curses thematically and no where near as overpowered

    • @MrNozah
      @MrNozah Рік тому +2

      @Dvst how did curses help to ruin the game? People are already praying or flicking to avoid losing hp, soul split just did the same thing and turmoil couldn't be flicked, you just traded food for prayer pots. On top of that, we had prayer renewal at the time which made the prayer point upkeep a non issue, we don't have those now

    • @yazan774
      @yazan774 Рік тому

      Curses are boring. I'd rather flick gambit.

  • @jacksonlolrs
    @jacksonlolrs Рік тому

    Pog

  • @legitmoonga978
    @legitmoonga978 Рік тому +3

    I still think curses would fit better in osrs

  • @chrps0at0cops
    @chrps0at0cops Рік тому

    The deflect prayers, new damage prayers and metabolize are wayyy too OP for PVP. If this book releases, I hope it isn't allowed there.

  • @Zii_Vii
    @Zii_Vii Рік тому +1

    Metabolize has a number of uses outside of the echo chamber of high end raiding that you live in smh.

  • @Rugg-qk4pl
    @Rugg-qk4pl Рік тому +3

    6:28 No to all these stack affects trying to be introduced. This isn't league of legends.

  • @bobbobinator192
    @bobbobinator192 Рік тому

    Rebuke doesnt need a 15% self dmg buff, with out overheads your already losing 100% of your overhead, i think jagex overlooked this.

    • @GnomonkeyRS
      @GnomonkeyRS  Рік тому +1

      The point is to increase venge damage, the self damage is a benefit not a downside

    • @bobbobinator192
      @bobbobinator192 Рік тому +1

      @@GnomonkeyRS i understand that, but when a boss can hit 70s or 88s like tekton cms, theres no need to increase boss damage so much to the point it 1 hits the player, getting hit over 100 dmg to reflect 15 doesn't seem like a benefit if you ask me, but also if this does end up working in pvp (which it should) it also shouldn't increase damage, because they would bring power creep to a whole new level. Perhaps rebuke should increase self inflicted accuracy in instead of damage.

  • @dereksdonedrinking
    @dereksdonedrinking Рік тому +1

    So why aren’t they like (temp) hiring people such as yourself who truly know the mechanics of this game. People who play constantly and know the content in and out. Also have some well versed PKers. Make the game for the people. Not just random thoughts from people who farm and play 2 hours a month on the game they work for.

  • @jeandeasd
    @jeandeasd Рік тому +1

    Theese prayers need a pvm only variant of soul split or it wont work or be fun for a casual like me 💓

  • @Slabfish
    @Slabfish Рік тому

    I got downvoted on reddit for saying it would be a shame to scrap the prayer book and provide an opportunity for the games skill cap to increase lmao

  • @FearOfGodx
    @FearOfGodx Рік тому +3

    Lmao I hope jagex doesn't watch your useless video
    You already had your chance bud

  • @midqe
    @midqe Рік тому

    we really shouldn't be listening to reddit for anything, i'm not gonna lie. they're gonna be crying about anything and everything

  • @stefanasgeirsson2464
    @stefanasgeirsson2464 Рік тому +5

    buy a new mic my dear friend, if not possible please do some eq work man

    • @Acorparation
      @Acorparation Рік тому

      I agree! Top tier content otherwise.

    • @RihardM
      @RihardM Рік тому

      buy ears 🖕

    • @urm9m703
      @urm9m703 Рік тому +1

      What is wrong with it? I genuinely notice nothing wrong with the voice audio

    • @stefanasgeirsson2464
      @stefanasgeirsson2464 Рік тому

      @@urm9m703 I'm not sure how to explain it technically, but it's somehow uneven to me and feels exaggerated to the point of not being nice to listen to, like hes speaking too close to the mic or something, or the mic needs a cover to catch the high-freq peaks.

    • @abomidog
      @abomidog Рік тому

      ​@@stefanasgeirsson2464 yes agreed it seems to be clipping a lot which is very jarring to the ears

  • @roronoa8808
    @roronoa8808 Рік тому

    First!

  • @freejello
    @freejello Рік тому

    Yayyy finally some real criticism from a content creator

  • @MikeSmith-lw4li
    @MikeSmith-lw4li Рік тому

    Remove the whole prayer book. Stop making osrs similar to rs3. Yall rs3 Andy's will kill both games. More and more of you guys are headed to OSRS leaving rs3 behind. Not only do you actively kill your game (rs3) you divide the osrs community

  • @johnwall7190
    @johnwall7190 Рік тому

    as a player base, why do we allow updates like this to be even humored anymore? why arn't we demanding better Dev's that arn't a complete joke? the game barley has at most another 5 years in it. the main player base is 30 and only came back because of covid, mobile, and original old-school. Once we reach another 2-5 years the average player is going to have a family or other responsibilities that wont allow the same player base time for runescape. I turley believe this is the ending all update to the game.

  • @PlagueDoctorscp049
    @PlagueDoctorscp049 Рік тому +1

    Complete rip-off from rs3 I see people soulsplitting at the inferno……… quitting the game when it comes out. Game is heading same direction as rs3

    • @tvdvd8661
      @tvdvd8661 Рік тому

      Where is soulsplit?

    • @PlagueDoctorscp049
      @PlagueDoctorscp049 Рік тому

      @@tvdvd8661 it’s not called soul split but it’s a prayer that does the exact same thing not sure what they call it noe

    • @MikeSmith-lw4li
      @MikeSmith-lw4li Рік тому

      Agree rs3 Andy's ruining it

    • @blazorb5907
      @blazorb5907 Рік тому

      @@PlagueDoctorscp049 what? No? They don't have that?

  • @abs0lute476
    @abs0lute476 Рік тому +5

    "Curses from rs3" they were introduced pre eoc and aren't the reason people quit until osrs. Stop parroting the reddit cry baby bullshit about everything currently in rs3 being a result of eoc/rs3. A lot of pre eoc updates were fine and a lot of content in osrs is just reskinned pre eoc content that people enjoy using.