A Skeptical Vegan Fact-Checks “You Are What You Eat” Netflix Series
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- I’m vegan, but I’m generally not a fan of vegan documentaries that focus on health like what the health, game changers, and forks over knives. They lack nuance, exaggerate claims, or even worse, misinform viewers. But maybe this new Netflix series "You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment" is different? Here are my thoughts.
Subscribe
ua-cam.com/users/unnaturalvega...
Videos to watch next
• One Twin Ate Vegan. Th...
• iilluminaughtii's lazy...
• This is Why I Don't Ea...
Twin study
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...
Interview w/ Christopher Gardner
news.stanford.edu/report/2024...
Biological age
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33552...
Eric Adams
www.vice.com/en/article/g5y3e...
Mental decline & lifestyle study
www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2...
Myplate protein
www.myplate.gov/eat-healthy/p...
Omega-6's and inflammation
www.health.harvard.edu/newsle...
Miyoko
www.sfchronicle.com/food/rest...
Support the Channel
Patreon: / unnaturalvegan
YT Members: www.youtube.com/@UnnaturalVeg...
Amazon Store: www.amazon.com/shop/unnatural...
Shirts: teespring.com/stores/unnatura...
Socials
Instagram: / unnaturalvegan
Twitter: / unnaturalvegan
Support an Effective Animal Charity
animalcharityevaluators.org/
0:00 Intro
1:27 Things I Like
8:23 Things I Don't Like
17:34 Nitpicking
24:59 Miyoko
26:25 Conclusion
#youarewhatyoueat #vegan #plantbased
Do you have hentai?
What is hentai?
LOL
NSFW anime @@Chase89454
Oh wait…
@@Chase89454lol
An old friend messaged me out of the blue saying this show had changed her mind and she wanted me to give her tons of suggestions. We’ve been friends for decades and she’s never been interested before. I think you are right that it was written toward an audience that isn’t vegetarian or vegan.
Hey, I'm one of those few men who watch your videos as you sometimes reference. We are out here! I wanted to address one thing that you mentioned in the video. I actually live within 50 mi of some of the people mentioned in the documentary the smell of money. One of the documentaries done on the effects of hog waist and animal waste in our environment. I can tell you that hog waste from industrial hog farms is a problem we smell it every time there is rain! We smell it when it turns cold! And I certainly do believe and have seen that animal waste in the environment in massive quantities as a very negative impact on human health. Anyone who doesn't believe that industrial animal farming has a very negative impact on human health needs to come to my neighborhood. It's disgusting! And the worst is those stupid dead trucks. When you have large industrial animal farms, there are basically trucks that go around almost on a weekly basis and collect the dead ones. Those trucks drive down the public highways, and he reeks from miles! Heaven forbid you get behind one of these trucks on the highway around here. It is absolutely awful, and stomach turning. Keep up the great video, and know that the skies are watching. Lol.😊
I grew up in rural NY and I remember smelling the pig farms, especially in the summer. We couldn't even go outside it was so strong. It was one of the reasons my parents decided to move out of the area
My perspective on the inclusion of the michelin chef guy was mainly to show that you could still have the same restaurant experiences and great tasting food even without animal products. It wasn't related to the health, animal welfare, environmental, or agriculture side but it was more related to the social side of veganism and how you could still enjoy it without compromise. It complimented the scene where the South African twins brought their friends and family over and had a dinner party with all of their favourite cultural/ traditional foods; they could have the same social experience and keep their same traditions without compromise, even without animal products.
And also that you can be commercially successful while offering vegan meals in your establishment.
And also just a retort to that attitude that you can’t have good food that is vegan.
That's very important in BIPOC communities, that people are able to retain a sense of community traditions. Not everybody operates within an individualistic ethos where they can just adopt a diet that involves eating patterns that aren't relatable.
The big finale to the chicken farmer story was that he “is using the barns for mushrooms” but the mushrooms are like 3 shelves in a single container that doesn’t need to be indoors…
I was dissapointed that they didn't spend as much time on the participants and the study and the diets. It meant i left the series feeling like it had been mis-sold to me. Just more footage of the study would have fixed this.
Honestly, I think the whole michelin chef drama (and some of the other stuff in the documentary) got so much space because they may have been some of the show's sponsors. I don't see any reason why they would have kept them otherwise lol
Overall, I thought the documentary was very good. The twins were super cute and made it so easy and fun to watch. Definitely a lot better than some of the others out there. But it still felt a bit like vegan propaganda. It felt like the convenient stuff got more attention. And they definitely should have showed some of the meals, like tf.
Veganism is still not really known by many people, while omnivorism is. As a result, in a series for the public at large, more emphasis on veganism seems justified. So, it seems appropriate that there was a bit more attention to it.
Question: what is 'tf'?
It is indeed a pity they didn't show more of the meals. The weight loss among the vegans is puzzling to me, since this was an ad libitum trial. Spontaneous weight loss is the philosopher's stone of our time.
Restaurant and foodie content is some of the most popular on Netflix. They‘re probably hoping adding the bit about the restaurant will boost overall interest.
I was shocked at how much muscle loss the plant based eaters had, and how the two younger brothers the omnivore had almost double the muscle gain. I went plant based for health reasons and my health has greatly improved and back pain went away (thank you Dr. Brooke Goldner and Thomas Tadlock) But my strength and muscle mass have decreased due to my lack of proper meal planning to include higher protein intake . When I was omnivorous it was easy to get my protein, after watching the twin experiment show it’s a wake up call I need to be very proactive about watching my protein intake when plant based.
You might want to invest in some protein shakes. I know there's pea protein shakes. I'm not vegan though so can't point out any good brands. I think Owyn might be one. I know you want it to be a complete protein if possible, meaning it has all the amino acids that make up protein from meat.
IIRC the older brother had family commitments and could not make it to the gym throughout the study. This probably greatly skewed results.
I'm a huge vegan cheese lover. They may not be indistinguishable from dairy cheese but they do satisfy the same craving/taste. I've been vegan 7 years so maybe I've just changed a lot but follow your heart feta- amazing, the daiya blocks- super good, violife parm, allll of the miyokos soft cheeses- maybe my favorite food lmao. I eat the Walmart store brand shredded cheese regularly. It only gets better and better. I'm pissed that whole foods moved out of my area though bc they carried the best variety.
I actually think it undermined the messages. I got to the end and felt more sceptical rather than less and I suspect many meat eaters could use this to justify an "agenda" and not engage cognitively in a meaningful way.
There's a vegan version of top chef on UA-cam! It's call top vegan, I loved it, the first season is out and I think a second one is coming
Yes! I loved the first season of the show!
I think the peripheral stories were too much, and were boring. I fast forwarded through a lot of the stories not involving the twins. I wish they would have shown what it was like when the plant based twins had to cook for themselves in the 2nd half.
That's always the problem with documentaries for the public at large. They have to *try* to please as many people as possible, but that also means that many people will not be pleased as much as they'd like.
Yes- how they adapted recipes, how they ate on a day they hadn’t planned well for or were unexpectedly busy- just the whole coping thing.
@@RenayOpish That is one of the reasons studies are so expensive: depending on what you want to find you, you will have to have a certain minimum number of participants. If one or other participant can't stick to the protocol for some reason, the ones who can, will "average it out".
Great presentation.
On the subject of BMI: it seems to have been lost to younger generations. BMI is not intended as a way to measure individual health. It is not even intended as a way to measure individual fatness. It is a statistical measure to study populations. The DXA lady, if she did any type of study, knows that. If she didn't, she can be forgiven. If she did, she fell asleep, forgot, or is simply lying. Whichever it is, she was not telling the truth.
Which is why I still use the older before-Ancel-Keys name of QI (Quételet Index) in order to avoid discussions about how 'useless' is. It is only useless if one uses it for something it is not intended for which is, sadly, almost always.
The most popular example is 'athletes' who are supposedly obese according to BMI, but there are many other examples. I have a BMI of around 22, and one has to be blind not to see my spare tire. It is a meaningless number for individuals.
That said, DXA is similar in some sense. I don't need a DXA scan to tell me I am fat. I know I am. The mirror and the camera tell me so. The doctor does not disagree with them.
And yes, I am on a whole foods plant only diet, so no, that does not guarantee better weight. It merely improves the probability.
Actually Garth Davis evolved a lot. He is now very evidence based. No longer low fat, anti-oil, low protein. He is pretty cool now.
I'm in the middle of watching this series! I love it so far ! I like that they included the Michelin restaurant and odd things like that, it sets the documentary apart from other ones that sometimes feel too repetitive. didn't know about the miyako drama. another great video thank you! rooting for your plant journey getting a real orchid lol
Miyoko made one mistake: she mimised water use for "vegan cheese". That is much more. I am guessing she was talking about the water she was using herself, not the total amount, but it is still wrong.
I was WAITING for you to review this documentary
As a enjoyed the documentary, however I did get strong propaganda vibes. There were a different variables thrown together. However, I did find the farmer interviews to be very compelling, even as someone who doesn't consider myself to be an animal rights activist per se. As a foodie, I also found the Michelin chef parts interesting as well 😅
24:50 VioLife Smoked Gouda Rounds tastes, smells, looks and feels like gouda to me. It melts alright as well, although that is it's weakest point, that and the price at about eight slices for $5... And no I am not vegan. 😅
Also VioLife's shredded Mexican blend is also pretty convincing and it also melts better (smaller shreds vs an actual whole slice may be the issue on the melting aspect). Need to do a grilled cheese and tomato soup test though to confirm. 😅
The "follow your heart" dairy free smoked gouda slices are just as good as the violife version btw! Absolutely delicious. ^.^
This was a disappointing documentary. They didn't need all of the vegan propaganda. They should've just let the evidence speak for itself in the twin study.
I appreciate your overall perspective, especially the desire to downplay "health" (and looks) vs. the use and abuse of nonhuman animals.
Disagree with your poo-poohing of the critique of BMI. I'm far from a bodybuilder, but once I started lifting weights regularly and building muscle mass, my BMI was considered 'obese.' Maybe even someone who regularly goes to the gym is an 'outlier,' but I'd have to concur that BMI is a misleading metric and potentially harmful.
*useful context, my body fat % never went above 18%
Just noticed your Koroks in the background! I love Zelda too!
I thought it was quite a good documentary. What annoyed me about the study is the fact that they did not give good advice on how to meet your protein need AND calory need eating plant based, and that they did not let all twin-pairs have the same exercise routines (one is walking, the other is lifting). And what annoyed me most in the documentary is the dexa-scan lady, who was soooo rude to the twins that gained fat and lost muscle. Also the coaches were not friendly at all. All three were basically telling them: "it's your own fault, that you didn't do better". Very bad coaching. Throughout the other episodes they were always told they had to loose weight, to improve their health. They tried, and their bodies just responded differently from what was expected. This happens to so manye of people, and they are always blaimed for 'not doing it right'. Felt really sorry for them.
for anyone looking for a good deep dive into BMI and its history and flaws I highly recommend the maintenance phase podcast episode: the body mass index
I have a cheap $50 scale that measures muscle mass, fat mass, etc. I took a more professional scan on a much more expensive machine and the numbers were almost the exact same. The machine they use in the documentary seems even more expensive but seeing how the cheap one compares to the mid range one i wonder how different it would actually be compared to my cheap scale.
Speaking generally, electrical impedence (the method a scale would use to determine body composition) has a wider margin of error than DEXA or hydrostatic weighing, and is more susceptible to changes in hydration and hour-to-hour changes than skinfold testing. It's big advantage is convenience/speed, and lack of reliance on testing technique.
If you use scales to measure body composition, make sure you use it around the same time of day and about the same time out from eating/drinking as possible each time.
I don't know what method your tester used when you went somewhere to have ypur body composition measured, but the odds are both they and your scale are within +/-5%.
@@joelhenderson3723 Good advice. I tried it on myself quite a while ago, and the difference between my lowest and highest weight within 24 hours could be up to 3.5 kg. I did it to explain to people why trends are far more important than absolute weights.
The problem is that using cheapo equipment will be heavily criticised by those who feel they have a reason to do so. That is the problem with science: you don't need to convince those in your own camp. You need to convince those who are trying to destroy you. In that sense, science is a blood sport.
If that worked for you that's great! But the home scales send electrical signals through your body and that signal will find the shortest path, usually just from one leg to the other so not taking into account your belly or anything above your crotch really. If the scale and full body were similar for you that means you legs and the rest of your body have your fat and muscle pretty evenly dispersed over your body.
I go every couple of months to my local pharmacy where I can measure it for a few cents. Ever since I went plant based, my weight loss has been linked to loss of fat tissue mostly.
I haven't seen it. I was thinking that this might be something to share with my 80 year old mom. But then I realized that I don't want to deal with her asking me what henti is. LOL
That is a very brief segment in the last episode.
I am vegan for animal welfare reasons (among others) and I am glad they left it out. My mom watched this and she had her sister watch it and they we're super receptive to the message to reduce meat consumption because the primary message was health. I wish more people cared about animals but frankly most people don't even care about the suffering of people. So by targeting it at health and not focusing on animal cruelty I think they will be able to reach and potentially convince a much wider audience. I mean there was a USC study last year that showed that the terms "healthy" or "sustainable" are far more effective for the meat reduction cause than the "vegan" label.
also love your content always look forward to watching when a new video comes out :))
Thank you for this review! I enjoyed the series overall but it felt imcomplete without your video ❤️
Can you please do a more in depth video about miyoko?
Thanks for this. I just wanted to add that the neurologist couple, the Sherzais, have a very good book on Alzheimer's and lifestyle, and it does seem that only a small percentage is purely genetic (and of course, epigenetics are heavily influenced by lifestyle).
I had a gut since I was twelve, but considered perfect weight for my height any time I had been weighed. In the military not much was said for my gut, but there were guys who were stronger than me, but also bigger, but they considered them unhealthy. These guys, provided they could grab a hold of me, could easily throw me through a wall. They could still do infantey things, but their long distance running suffered, unfortunately.
I haven't watched it yet but did they mention whether their diet included any supplements? I'm curious if they added any protein shakes or anything. Even I, who am not totally plant based, throw in protein shakes on workout days just to make sure.
No supplements.
I just want to point out that all carbs turn into sugar in the body, and diabetics need to cut back carbs for this reason, and generally have the best blood sugar control when eating keto or carnivore. It's really irresponsible and a TERRIBLE idea for that guy (mayor of NY?) to get hospital meals changed to have no meat. Hospital food is bad enough and people that are sick and weak need a variety to choose from and I literally picked at 2 things on my tray when I was hospitalized, and 1 was meat, the other jello. I'd have been in trouble without the meat. It's a joke among diabetics, how the hospital food for them is 80% carbs. Now it's 100% carbs in NY.
I’m pretty sure they still serve meat, it’s just not the default meal option
you didn’t mention something about prime roots deli meats. I had no idea about this product and can’t wait to try it. I don’t like soy based deli meats like tofurky
Tastes differ, but I have never tried "vegan meat". I have tried a few fake cheeses years ago, and found them pretty unconvincing. I have never tried again. I see no reason to.
I would love to incorporate more of a vegetarian/vegan diet, but I'm allergic to a lot of the non-meat protein sources that people typically eat. I have been incorporating more items like chickpeas and lentils, but I unfortunately can't cut meat out all together with the protein goals both my partner and I have at the moment. Once we are both out of school, though, I would love to start buying more locally produced meats, where I can see the conditions in which the animals are raised.
would love a video from you on the Weston A Price foundations studies on why animal protein is the only protein thats sustainable for humans
I also would have liked to see more about what the participants eat. I also would have liked more detail on the wider scientific study, to defend against some of the 'easy' criticisms that people online have been making that it's unscientific. Also more context on the wider body of literature - something to show that though this is one study with limitations, the wider body of literature suggests WFBP eating is the way to go.
It's a lot more complicated than that. Fasting also has been shown to have health benefits. Lower calories diets have also shown some benefits. So some of the alleged benefits of veganism could just be ascribed to a lower caloric diet. Unless you're eating a ton of nuts and other high calorie vegan products, you probably are eating a lot less. In addition, exercise plays a strong factor in health. Strength training will initiate beneficial metabolic changes. Cardio helps to an extent. (I think the research is pointing more to strength.)
For westerners, particularly America and Europe, I do think they need to learn about how other cultures prepare food. For example, learn to make stir fries because that's a low meat/no meat dish that is very tasty and customizable. It also requires a cultural reset for how to eat.
It was a very well conducted study. It just didn't study everything and anything some people want, because that is an impossibility, even with unlimited finances.
As for more information on the diet, just look up the paper and its documentation. The study is called "Cardiometabolic Effects of Omnivorous vs Vegan Diets in Identical Twins" and is open access.
And yes, WFPB is the way to go. It should just not be confused with WFPO. No serious scientist will exclude animal products for health, but they *will* recommend reduction for most people (and excluding as much as possible, *is* beneficial for the environment).
@@BartBVanBockstaele A small population size with a limited 2 month time period with rather small differences considering the radical change in diet... I'm assuming this is the case. I don't know what these people ate routinely.
Does this really relate to better health outcomes and increased quality of life over the long term? Are there other explanations such as introduction of exercise that might explain some of the benefits? Fasting and telomeres is a thing. Strength training is correlated to better metabolic health.
Maybe the effects were transitory or have diminishing benefits that might require diet cycling of some sort. You know.. like cut and bulk systems that body builders use. Long term compliance rates. Age and dietary needs.
This is just one study. Too many vegans are saying "yep. this is the one". I wish vegans were as skeptical with this study as they are with other dietary studies.
For what it's worth, if a person can, they should try it out. Even 3-4 meals would help. The world will not end if meat is not on that plate. There are loads of tasty yummy meals .. once you expand that spice cabinet. Veganism is the superior ethical framework and humanity should be striving to implement it.
@@jenniferhunter4074 There is nothing wrong with pointing out some weaknesses. The authors do that as well, in their own paper. Don't forget that these were twins, so as close as is biologically possible to be identical. The point was not to compare differences with their normal diet, just to see whether or not there would be differences between the two diets, both of which were designed to be as healthful as possible in the current state of our knowledge (the first 4 weeks), *and* as healthful as possible in real life (the last 4 weeks). I don't think the differences were unbelievably spectacularly significant, they were explicitly not meant to be. BUT: there were differences, and at the very least, the vegan diet was shown not to be inferior to the omnivorous diet.
That, to me, is the significance here: it contradicts the oft-made claim that vegan is *inferior*. That is something the evidence is showing everywhere, and this adds to that body of evidence.
This is Christopher Gardner's specialty: real-life studies that are as rigorous as possible, as opposed to Kevin Hall's studies who does lab studies that are as generalisable as possible.
On a personal level, the weight loss of the vegans fascinates me. Not because it was spectacular, it wasn't, not even remotely, but it was spontaneous and that is remarkable.
My point was - no diet study can ever be perfect. You can't randomize two people to eat strict diets from birth to death to measure outcomes, nevermind the number you'd need for statistical significance and to rule out genetic, socioeconomic and environmental factors. This is a fundamental limitation to all research in the field, so it's not about designing perfect studies, but looking at how they work together and what which direction they point in. As it stands, the available body of evidence, encompassing in vitro mechanistic studies at the cellular level, randomized double blind placebo controlled trials, interventional studies, cross-sectional studies, meta-analysis and epidemiology - all of this suggests that you improve your health to the extent that you adopt a whole foods, plant based diet, all the way up to 100%.
My dad was the most balanced person food wise ive known eating mainly plant based foods, unfortunately he developed early onset frontotemporal dementia at 56 years old :( sometimes there are just things you cant control getting old(er) SUCKS
Maybe, but plants are not good for human because that's not human's natural diet.
I'm very sorry about that. However research does indicate that lifestyle choices influence very much dementia in many cases
My mother is 89 and has it. I'm in many dementia related groups and it does seem that the incidence and age of onset, plus the type of symptoms, is very difference in the US than over here in Mediterranean Europe. Lots of very young people in their 60s and 70s with extremely acute symptoms in the US groups I follow. Whereas my mother's symptoms are mild, and she's the only person of her age that has it in my family. She always ate a rather healthy plant based diet and her onset was due to COVID related clogging events.
I am interested in watching the review of Poisoned, thanks
ua-cam.com/video/AETC_13UVac/v-deo.html
I am extremely grateful for this documentary! I have been vegetarian for coming on 10 years and vegan for coming on 7 of those years so yeah. We have a lot of health problems in my family and I knew that I wanted to be healthier so I made a switch and my mom watch this documentary over last weekend with her husband, and now my mom is leaning more towards a plant-based diet eating less meat and dairy. She made a really nice vegan lentil soup that was really good and her diabetes is almost completely gone now this isn’t because of the diet it’s because of the medication that she’s on but her motivation to switch is she doesn’t want to be on this medication forever, and the animals she said that seeing the way they’re treated and seeing the farmers who who done it talk about it really changed her perspective so I think it’s great. And even though I am still overweight, I am the healthiest I’ve ever been in my entire life training Jujitsu, weight training and just over all more active! And even though I have been learning about this for very long time, I learned a lot of stuff too, that I didn’t know about the human body and stuff and it was just eye-opening for me and I’m trying to lean towards a less processed food plant based vegan diet and eat more whole plants on top of what I usually eat
Fantastic review!
Would you do a video on Christopher Gardner? He has this video in which he says that you are probably ok eating 40 or 50 grams of protein a day.
You say there was "not enough discussion on animal welfare." Maybe that was technically true as far as actual discussion goes, but the video scenes of suffering animals--especially pigs, chickens and fish--made "discussion" unnecessary. As a compassionate animal loving vegan, I actually found a lot of those scenes very hard to watch--and, at times, felt there was too much of it. However, I think in your face video of suffering animals is much more effective than discussion in highlighting animal welfare and will have more of an impact on converting meat eaters to a vegan than sterile images of animal rights activities talking to the camera.
I really enjoy your channel … excellent presentation and great content. I like that you take the approach of more plants less animals and don’t pass judgement. I’m plant based but not “vegan” … but enjoy your content and POV.
What my boyfriend got out of the series is that he’s not gonna eat chicken and salmon because of the diseased animals. We’ll see how long that’s going to last 😀
I think the biggest mistake in the diet planning was not protein-matching the plant-based and omnivore diets. It almost defeats the purpose of the DEXA scans.
I immediately noticed the Koroks and I love them
Within the first episode and a bit that I managed to sit through - you were way more generous than I thought you'd be! - they trotted out the familiar vegan faces, shall we say, that I watched over the years and... it was a massive wince fest, for me.
That much was a bit like watching your relatives on camera. Plus, the very American format of the documentary, I don't think it exports very well? any more than something made in other countries necessarily hits the mark every time with US audiences, right? That's why we see movie remakes, with cultural tweaks to fit in with the target audience of the country it was remade in/for. Everybody wins.
Anyway, yeah, sorry, what I'm trying to say is... Unfortunately for the team behind this one and advancing plant-based in general, I think if someone sat through Forks Over Knives and Game Changers and then watched that first episode? they would very much feel this is a vegan polemic, as in I'm absolutely not watching this, who sponsored this lot, this is just propaganda, screw you guys.
Am I way off the mark? I hope I am, just that, as a vegan, I was groaning my way through the first episode, managed a bit of the second then the said Enough! Arrrgh! Maybe hire an international crew to plan/format/film the next documentary, get some less familiar faces in there, big names but people we've not seen and heard, endlessly.
I agree, it wasn't made for us/me, though, but a frustration is that I know exactly how my friends will have/will respond to that first episode and I have to live with their derision, which frustratingly isn't even about the vegan part, you know, just format, tone, same old faces.
Wish I could have got into it, I think I got a lot more out of the debunks of the debunks.
I'm sure some will have got something out of it, of course, and, whether people thought it was good or really bad (looking at the audience score over at Rotten Tomatoes), at least they are talking about the topics. I agree, the twins, that I saw, seemed nice, I'm sure many people will have watched it right through just because of that aspect, so that was a bit of a win.
Regarding reaching a wider international audience, it was among the most watched shows on Netflix here in Spain for a few days, and in many of the Latin American vegan accounts I follow lots of people were talking about it, so I do think it had an impact.
It was scary how much more muscle the vegans lost and it was odd that the omnivores ate such small amounts of veggies. Considering most blue zones are omnivores it would have made more sense for them to give omnivores more vegetables especially before comparing the results....
I feel like michelin restaurant segment was valid as a perspective someone can have on food. Relationship with food is a unique one and it might also be related to status for some. As a vegan I would love for everyone to see that animals are not food, but I can also see this perspective of a plant-based meal being the highest quality meal recognised by the industry as a apealing one for some groups. I see this documentary as definitely pro plant eating and as such, part of it's role is to make it as apealing as it can be. Showing mistreated animals might be eye-opening for some but I feel like it also scares people away rather than apeal to them. I actually liked the diversity of perspectives in this documentary.
P.S.
I am always uneasy watching these types of documentaries because damn...they can be unhinged sometimes...
Thanks! I'm promoting you on my Facebook! Stay Vegan!
It sounds like the showrunners had a bunch of sponsorships and they had to work them all in-- NYC tourism included.
My bf is Hindu Shaivite, and for religious reasons he has to be vegetarian one day a week. I now join him every week. I have found that cutting out meat, even just once a week, actually improves my cooking and makes me more creative in the kitchen. I also end up eating less meat during the rest of the week as I won't automatically reach for meat first thing. I highly recommend people try this -- even if they aren't religious -- as many of us have a preconception that "it's not a meal if it doesn't include meat" when there are so many plant-based options which we are neglecting (that can also be better for our health).
Going vegetarian or vegan is difficult for many, but even just decreasing meat consumption can have an impact.
as a non vegan, i liked the show, i found the porn section awkward so skipped it, and my biggest complaint was that they didn't share meal examples or recommend like, recipe blogs that the twins used when cooking for themselves. i did try a miyoko's cream cheese product after watching it and thought it was delicious, so i may buy more miyoko's products in the future, but for now they're so much more expensive than cow dairy products AND has lower protein content so i don't really see it as worth it. With the dairy cows all getting bird flu though it may be worth it soon!
Always appreciate your evidence-based takes on these
@unnaturalvegan Would you consider vice news as a good form of finding factual information?
Hello, I can’t imagine a better film than Forks Over Knives to introduce a person to the reality of corruption and greed that has shaped our beliefs around nutrition and a healthy diet. It’s also the best introduction to the healthiest diet, by far, ever known to man … the Whole-Foods Plant-Based Diet. This film is obviously loosely based on the most profound nutritional book ever to be published (in my opinion), The McDougall Plan, still the reigning champion 40 years later (no revised editions necessary). We need films like Forks Over Knives because entertaining (intriguing) movies are (for better or worse) the best way to reach the widest audience, by far. People aren’t interested otherwise. So you are going to bash Forks Over Knives? Tell me of any film, or book or otherwise, that has ever come close to the effectiveness of that film. Thank you.
This is a different series. It is not intented as propaganda for veganism because the study was not about that. The study looked at differences, not at superiority and, more importantly in my view, it showed that a healthful vegan diet is NOT inferior to a healthful omnivorous diet.
love u queen
I think the show was definitely a sales job for plant-based. I really respect Christopher Gardner - but I think the show, as you've identified, went beyond the scientific study itself. The sexual arousal study was definitely to balance out the focus on the previous male study (and yeah - it's about time women aren't forgotten on this stuff...we've had centuries where we were left out of clinical studies). The cheese lady and the Michelin star restaurant, I think are part of the focus on addressing some of the "obstacles" in getting socially aware and open omnivores to switch. And they may be on to something. But definitely a sales job.
The whole problem about being plant based for health is that is only sustainable for the most dedicated. It is akin to joining and attending a gym several times a week. Almost everyone loses that commitment eventually, many of them in a matter of days or weeks.
Ethical veganism is the only path in my view to eating plant based for life.
I was hoping you would comment on this- thank you!!
Haven't watched it, but an Omni friend of mine said it changed her perspective and she wants to eat less meat. Said it was a compelling doc.
Good video, I also overall liked this series, I didn't have the gripes you had (except for the dexascan women, i also didn't like her Lol.)
But I noticed you saying stuff about the doctors promoting low-fat whole food PB diets and I was a bit shocked, and wondered why. I went back and looked at some of your videos, and then watched some videos by those doctors, but also outside those doctors like Micheal Gregor, and I gotta say I don't agree with the backlash upon them, especially in a world with a lot of obesity.
And seeing your gripes against these proven to be super-healthy diets even if you find them difficult to maintain, doesn't seem good to me. So I unsubscribed from you.
I'm with you on the cheese point, and I don't get anybody who says the vegan cheese tastes and feels the same. It does not. Not even close.
I think a low fat diet is better for people with serious medical conditions. The short term fix. However if it s for times of peace balanced diet.
when you eat only animal products you can get rid off all medications for good. i changed from plant based to full animal based and got rid of all bloodpressure medications
I would love to see the research confirming this?? Or better yet a series on Netflix..
there is a parmesan greatet vegan cheese in my country (switzerland) that actually tastes like cheap real parmesan. the brand is called simply V. It is the only vegan cheese I like😂
BMI is not a very good biomarker for individuals, and was originally used by Ancel Keys when studying populations or groups of people as a whole. BMI only predicts body fat about half the time. You don't just have outliers among bodybuilders, but also people with normal BMI who have a low fat free mass index (too little muscle relative to their height).
Waist measurement is much better in terms of cheap ways to act as a proxy for cardiometabolic health. A person's waist shouldn't be more than half their height.
Focusing on visceral fat and muscle mass in the show is important because those are markers of overall fitness. Especially visceral fat. Visceral fat is the only kind of fat that contributes to poor metabolic health, which is now the leading contributor to premature death worldwide. So it makes sense to focus on the DXA scans. For somebody that focuses alot on science-based health advice, I would think details like this would be important.
None of those Doctors’’demonised Nuts, Avocados, Seeds etc, they are just against extracted Oils, so not Wholefoods! The only person I have come across (on YT). That was arguing against Nuts was a non Vegan, who said Pulse Wave Velocity(PWV) showed nuts lessened vein wall elasticity!
Pretty sure they also advise to limit nuts, avocado, olives etc to very small amounts. Maybe "demonize" is a stretch, but "go ahead and eat up to six almonds a day if you must" isn't a great endorsement, and it isn't in line with the mainstream advice on nut consumption.
I’m currently reading The Starch Solution. He is very anti fat in all forms. He says if you can manage to control yourself and only eat an ounce a day of nuts, then go ahead, but most people can’t which is why so many people are overweight or obese. In other words, don’t buy any nuts. “His title for this section is “Nuts and Seeds are too rich for every day”. That sounds very anti nuts and seeds to me. So much so, that I am super confused about nuts and seeds and olive oil consumption. Does he talk about avocados? I haven’t finished the book and don’t recall any mention of them. But I’m assuming since they are fat, it’s a no. Fat makes you fat is the message I’m getting from this book.
Yeah you have to be pretty insanely jacked to be significantly over the healthy bmi range for your weight to not be an issue.
i understand advocating for eating less animal products but i will never understand the point of being completely vegan
If you understand why someone would want to eat less animal products, you should be able to understand why someone would want to eat none of them. A person who feels like it's good to eat them less may feel like it would be best to eat none.
So, who put "hentai" on their "weird words Unnatural might say" bingo card? Lol. Good video.
Can we sustain Keto diet staying vegan?
I've never tried it but I know people do it.
I'm sure people do it, but I can see it being a challenge.
It's not about human health, of course. Eating a slice of ham a day is not going to change anything for a human. But for some animal it changes everything.
Emily Ewing had a series on vegan propaganda and it was the best. Check it out!
The BMI thing is misinformation. It's an approximation. Saying that a rule of thumb or guideline can't be used because there are 0.1% outlier cases where it's not useful is absurd. No, you are not a bodybuilder with 300lbs of lean muscle mass. You are human shaped. BMI is important to consider. Do the math. Even for athletes like Arnold or Lebron, who are packed with muscle, do the math and you'll see that their BMI is very close to the normal range. Hyper athletes have to keep their weight down into an optimal range. Look at Zion Williamson. He's basically all muscle and his BMI is too high for him to be an optimal athlete. Even if it's all muscle BMI is a useful measure. Zion Williamson can drastically lower his injury risk, endurance, and quickness by reducing his BMI, even though it's mostly muscle. Okay, I conceed that Brian Shaw at 6'8" and 445lbs with a BMI at 48.9, which is well into the obese range, probably has an optimal weight for his sport, but he's a world class athlete in extreme powerlifting, you are not. If your BMI is near 50 you are unhealthy and have to lose weight. Even Champ Brian Shaw would be smart to reduce his BMI after he retires. Longevity and raw athletic performance requite different strategies that can sometimes diverge. BMI is a rule of thumb measurement for long-term optimal health, not a guideline for lifing cars over your head.
Also athleticism=/=health. Strongmen are athletes lol
the fancy restaurant part was soooo unnecessary
Love u mam.
Nice
I didn't understand the relevance of Turkish government with the subject?
Why say a 6ft bodybuilder the top bodybuilder are well under 6ft? Tall dudes are not good at bodybuilding.
A healthy Vegan suitable diet would ALWAYS be more healthy than ANY animal based diet, so there is not even a question re comparison of whether the animal diet was healthy or not.
Is that why so many "why I'm no longer vegans" fail with health problems?
Please for the love of all animals and humans learn about the BMI and cease this silly defense of it. It comes if in this day like a really aggressive and wrong headed boomer mentality. Your neighbor aubrey gordon has a lovely podcast describing all that she learned when she researched it. You can read the things she read! Just please stop calling it a health marker. Just stop.
You are conflating Veganism which is a philosophy, with plased based diets, just because many Vegans want to be healthy. By eating Wholefoods it makes no difference to the animals what we eat so long as it comes from plants . Also what is a ‘’healthy meat diet’’? a contraction in terms! ‘’Vegan propaganda’’, I have been Vegan for 39 years and Game Changers is the best Documentary ever for changing the game!. 🌻🌎✊🏽
VEGAN ≠ WFPD. WFPD is supreme. The McDougall plan reigns supreme. All others must bow down to its greatness.
There are good reasons to promote WFPD. I am WFPO myself. You can do a lot worse than McDougall, but McDougall is one generation before me, and science evolves, so some refinements/corrections would not hurt. That said, by and large, McDougall and Pritikin have withstood the test of time quite well.
Interesting, thanks. I’d never heard of this WFPO trend. Do you have examples of non-plant foods that the McDougall plan suggests? Like … honey? Mushrooms? I guess I sort of assumed that WFPD = plants only … no animal foods … right? So is WFPO just a more accurate descriptor?
@@lostexplorersguild767 There is a lot of imprecision in people's vocabulary, and that causes a lot of confusion for people who are new to the scene. WFPD = whole foods, plant-dominant (= mostly, but not exclusively, plants). WFPB = whole foods, plant-based (= plants are seen as the basis, but not necessarily the only ingredient). WFPO = whole foods, plant-only (= nothing but plants: this could be seen as a subset of vegan).
And yes, McDougall sort-of accepts more than only plants although he has clearly progressed into the (almost) exclusively vegan direction, i.e. total absence of animal products.
I personally see WFPO as more accurate because many people think WFPB is the same as vegan, but there can be differences.
The point is that WFPO/WFPD/WFPB are all about diet, and that veganism is an ethical stance, that includes but is not limited to diet.
I do believe not everyone can stay healthy on vegan way of eating
Why do you believe that?
You don´t want cheese? Why watch such propaganda and all these cheesy vegan guys?
That microphone is sadly in the way 😢