Vegan Restaurant Serves Meat (Sage Vegan Bistro)
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Restauranteur Mollie Engelhart just announced her 13-year-old vegan restaurant Sage Vegan Bistro will start serving milk, eggs, and meat. But it's meat produced with "regenerative agriculture" so it's fine! Don't believe me? Then...uh...check her soil tests?
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YAAAAAS DEBORAH
Unexpected and delightful. Thanks Deborah. ❤
I found the Reddit thread. Seems the owner went bonkers and Deborah is a really nice person.
We need to recruit Deborah to help close this restaurant too.
I'm really amused by the fact that Google translates this for you 😹
Never thought I'd see a "why I'm no longer vegan" but it's a restaurant
I didn't know cows regenerate, I thought it was just salamanders or something.
This is a really good comment 😂😂😂
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I always thought milk comes from startling cows into dropping their udders and that it takes them a week to regrow per teat.
She should just be honest and say it’s hard for a vegan restaurant to stay open, so she’ll start serving meat but still keep the vegan menu. 🙄
100%
I came here to say the same.
I always like to think that vegan restaurants are owned and run by a vegan rather than just a business person targetting a specific demographic and that is going to be the case in most places because vegans are such a small minority and mostly not well off enough to eat out often enough.
We had just such a cafe/restaurant here in Brisbane. It was so disappointing when they gave up and added meat, dairy and eggs to their menu (it may have changed hands, not sure) but there are few vegan restaurants here and most struggle so I understand it. And they have kept much of their popular vegan options so I have been back a couple of times because they are literally the best vegan option still in that part of town.
For me becoming vegan late in life (I was 60) I cannot understand how it can be anything other than a one way street. I now see the meat for what it is. The body parts of exploited young animals. And I just cannot unsee that. I understand the mentality of omnivores because I was one, and vegetarians, because I transitioned via that but ‘ex vegan’ seems like an oxymoron to me.
Hey, just wanted to let you know that after (maybe a year?) of passively watching your videos and agreeing with your reasoning but not doing anything about it, I've started my journey to becoming vegan! Can't say what the future will bring, but I'm researching information, trying new recipes, only buying food at the supermarket that doesn't come from animals. It's still a struggle in social settings, but your approach has shown me that a vegan life can be way more realistic and chill than I thought so. Thank you!
That's awesome!! Best of luck to you!
Good for you!
Your journey sounds similar to my start! I celebrated a year fully vegan on May 1st. You’ve got this!
Congratulations on taking that step!
That is amazing!!
She made this announcement on Earth Day? Geezus 🤦🏼♀️
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“I was so inspired by my partner doing the ethical thing after a tragedy, I had to run right out and profit off of slaughter for human enjoyment!”
I loved going to Sage Bistro, but the moment I heard about this mess all I could say was "oh, shame I'll never eat their cauliflower wings again, they were good"
I’ll miss their buffalo pizza so much
Same. I've gotten food from Sage a gazillion times but I stopped immediately after hearing the news that they're no longer plant-based. They really chose the wrong customer base to mess with lol.
It was a bit too salty though.
I think something important to note about nature vs. animal agriculture is that mammal and bird livestock vastly outnumber wild mammals and birds (from Our World in Data "Wild mammals make up only a few percent of the world’s mammals"). So if you thought "nature is cruel so why does it matter what we do", humans are actively perpetuating far more suffering in mammals and birds than nature while having the sole power to end that suffering.
that is actually a really powerful visual
@NafiKhan while you enjoy eating and using non-vegan crops which you know is killing the most animals in the world.
We have a saying here that translates to something like "they sat on the floor between two chairs", meaning they tried to have their cake and eat it too, but their compromise ended up failing both. A formerly vegan bistro going omnivore to save business sounds exactly like that, as you said, selling meat is a surefire way to drive away all vegan customers, and them having been known as a vegan bistro previously will drive away many omnivores too who think vegans are too extreme. Aside from them turning into laughing stock for doing such a 180 on their morals.
Somebody can change their views and become an ex vegan, what I can’t stomach is the dishonesty, the gaslighting. Just admit that you want to make more money, expand to a meat eating customer base, but don’t piss on us and tell us it’s rain.
Holy crap I literally just posted a very similar comment !!!😂
Yes!!!!!
It's silly and disappointing that she's making the switch, but luckily there are many vegan options in LA, and locals will just take their money elsewhere.
Thank you for making this video- I live in LA and I was really upset about the news. I would have a lot more respect for Mollie if she just admitted that the restaurant was struggling financially and so she chose to add meat to the menu. I give the “new” restaurant 6 months max.
The world needs more people like queen Deborah
If regerative agriculture works, it’s because of the work the animals are doing while they are alive (ie, grazing, stomping the soil). Slaughtering the animal doesn’t do anything to help the soil. You don’t need to slaughter the animals if you want to participate in regenerative agriculture.
I really appreciate you just showing a headline when discussing slaughterhouses as opposed to images from a facility.
I love "nature fucking sucks" and "carnivore koolaid". Thanks for keeping us all level headed
My dog died and my neighbour needed dinner but their car was in the garage. So I fed them my dog and now I’m no longer vegan.
Perfection.
Regenerative agriculture is not a sustainable solution, if only for the sheer amount of land it requires. I don't think most people fully grasp how much grazing land you need to feed even just a small herd of cows. Plus, if you're in a northern part of the world, you not only need grazing land, but also land to grow hay for the winter.
@MademoiselleMagallia You are westerncentric regarding cattles. The US designate wide area for pastureland but it is mostly unused and mostly non-arable. Asia and Africa are relying on crop byproducts and small pasturelands and yet they have the biggest cattle population in the world.
Great video! It's so frustrating to watch people who have seemingly thought a lot about the issue revert to silly arguments like "Look, nature is cruel". I do wonder whether they were thinking clearly about the issue previously and now face a lot of pressure to rationalise, or whether they hadn't really this stuff through at all in the first place.
Anyway, thanks for talking through all of this so clearly.
Not all of us have morphed into 7yo schoolgirls. What are your pronouns?
It’s possible they lacked empathy from the start .. I wouldn’t rule out financial considerations, however sad it is succumbing to society’s ambivalence and abhorrent stance on animal welfare and slaughter
The whole Engelhart family is into regenerative agriculture, in 2016 it was revealed that they processing cow on their farm and they also own a small dairy farm.
this is SUCH a bummer. i was hoping this video wasn’t going to be about the Sage in LA because it’s truly been one of my fav spots but i’ll not be going back anymore :(
Happy Mothers Day Swayze!
The Heirloom Drama is insane; there's a good summary on the Vancouver subreddit.
We had 6 established vegan spots go out of business since covid times in our city. The niche spots are getting hurt badly… wonder if it’s just to get more people in the door.
Admitting my bias here as it's my field of study... But soils are actually a HUGE carbon sink. Soil health is incredibly important. Now, cover cropping and other non-animal regenerative ag practices are probably just as good. They do require more hands on effort on the part of the land owner though. It's important though to keep the carbon content in our soils at at least a reasonable level because otherwise we will lose yields and not be able to sustain our population.
And? The animals have to eat as well and it isn't possible for all cows with a fate on a plate to eat only from green meadows. We better use the land to produce food directly. So much land has been already deforested and used for agriculture. We can continue using it. Carbon schmarbon is a topic I'm so sick of as it is so often used as an excuse. It seems to justify anything at the moment. Talk to China and India about it.
@@baum7des7lebens7 the idea is to use the land we already use for agriculture in a more responsible way so that we can continue to use the same land. Also, just a note, forests aren't the only important ecosystems, especially in the US. A lot of prairie ecosystem has been destroyed to make way for agriculture. And we really should care about carbon 😅 climate change is a really big issue. Making small changes to a lot of our ag fields will make huge differences. I know other countries are worse, but it's about what's in our control.
@@baum7des7lebens7It is actually being done in Asia and Africa. They cannot afford to grow crops to feed cattles so they just give them byproducts as much as possible in addition to small pasturelands. Note that they have the most population of cattles.
Hi I'm not super knowledgeable on carbon sink/soil, but would using regenerative ag off-set the amount of greenhouse gases produced by agriculture creating beef? Would using it for plants not be much much better without the cow farts? Sorry if this is a dumb question hehe
@@Gimlinti no such thing as dumb questions! Improving agricultural carbon losses most certainly would not offset beef production emissions.
As a vegan who strives to achieve, essentially, a McDougall Plan dietary lifestyle, I really appreciate this channel and the content. It is a well thought out, researched, and open-minded approach to informing viewers about health-promoting (and ethical) dietary practices. Thank you!
I don't know why, but hearing you say "yass Queen, yaaaaas" gave me enough dopamine to prompt rewinding the video about 4 times to rewatch you say it...
That and the Trixie video you just put up...Grade A content right there 😂
there is a video you might be interested in discussing. its from philosophytube and in it she is discussing willful ignorance. there is a line in the video where she is talking about how we are all guilty of it, and then she flat out says that she isnt vegetarian and that she deliberately ignores discussions about industrialized meat production for fear it "might" cause her to believe that "eating meat is morally wrong". and she doesnt want that bc, amongst other reasons "her relationship with her body would change". it is simultaneously infuriating and reassuring to hear a carnist say this out loud. she has nearly 2 milllion subscribers and i cant imagine you could get away with saying that about any other cause. would love to hear your take on it. the title is Why We Can’t Build Better Cities (ft.Not Just Bikes) and she says it near the end. her next video is supposedly about how to get people to learn when they are actively refusing to, so it should be all about her going vegan, right?
I watched that video and totally missed that comment. I’ll have to go watch again. I really like her. Comments like that make me think, though, that she might get there - in time.
Sheesh, I virtually never go out to eat but had this place bookmarked a long time. Happened to finally eat here a few weeks ago while a friend was in town - what a disappointment to learn this bs I supported. And the food was ok but nothing great (dill in lasagna?) and like everything now stupid expensive. Now this…definitely won’t ever go again.
What is "Deborah" if not a metaphor for the futility of modern existence in the face of mechanized systems of oppression and destruction? We may spend our idle hours staring into oblivion and cursing the unflappable nature of things but who among us wouldn't benefit from pointing our discerning lens at our own inner Deborah and asking ourselves if we are in fact part of the problem that we seek to vanquish? To banish our inner Deborahs may be precisely what the ancients referred to when they spoke of true enlightenment.
Love ur videos so much! Another fantastic one ❤
I appreciate what you're saying about the kills that go into omnivore diets not being equal to vegan diets, but when runimants are raised regeneratively, it changes the equation. No more crops fertilized and harvested for feed; just let them do their thing on soil. I might be ignorant on this, but if I understand correctly, the kill count of a regenerative cow is exactly 1: the cow itself.
Wait what???
We already have too few vegan restaurants in the country 🤦🏾♀️😞
Edit: Btw, there's an amazing vegan sushi restaurant in San Francisco (at least there was last time I was there) so if you're visiting SF, please check it out, we need to show people how delicious vegan foods can be.
I'm also part Japanese and there have always been vegan sushi for people who want it, this is NOT some western appropriation thing.
I had a dream once that I found a vegan ayce sushi restaurant called "Sush-tainable". Please feel free to take this name and make it happen 😜
I think this speaks to the struggle of being a vegan-only business.
I went to a restaurant called Flora vegan bistro in Connecticut and was so confused when they handed me a menu that said that you can add chicken or steak to any of the vegan entree items and I was like WTF are you advertising as a vegan bistro for?
Did you write a critical review? I would have.
Yeah the company should rebrand there name
That's some trickery. Since I can't keep my mouth shut, I'm sure i would have had words for the owner.
Regenerative agriculture makes sense. If you screw up the soil by monocropping everyone suffers.
7:15 Yeah this. If you are going to use the land, you could probably make more food by growing stuff to feed *directly* to people.
I’d have to dive into a pile of Life Cycle Assessments (LCAs) to get into the gritty details (ie how much land to get a proper balanced vegan diet vs equivalent with as little meat as possible but using it for things like core protein+what vegans may need supplements or more intensive vegetables/fruits for etc)
And yeah between No or Low-Till agriculture, which should have a similar effect on soil (potentially not as quick, since the “mixing” action of the animals walking about isn’t there, nor the insta-composting of the digestive system, BUT in what i am planning one would do an initial till-in of any needed minerals and a BUNCH of biochar+compost+humic+fulvic acid etc to get it “jump started”, them sprinkle in some Compost Leachate “compost tea”, add in some local worms and whatnot, (hydro) seed your plants and you are good to go. Nearly all clay or sand to Synthetic Amazonian Black Earth in One Year or so!
The only advantages i can see are 1.) Low Entry Cost (ie Needing Piles of Soil Additives / Compost / Seeds + Farm Equipment or a Pile of Paid Labor *vs* Some Cattle and Time). Also some ducks and/or goats etc is a far cheaper way to Get Rid of Pests+Weeds than novel Herbicides or Biologics (+Integrated Pest Management Consulting and/or Training on when to use what, which may not be a thing in all areas of all countries yet) and Steam Weeding. Thus may be a valid reason in poorer areas; and I’m not going to shame some farmer in Subsaharan Africa doing this to fight desertification and so on. BUT
In wealthier/more industrialized areas, and/or also via more novel concepts like Open Source Hardware (and potentially even Tool Shares or Tool Libraries / More Co-Op Type Stuff) bringing down the cost to get going, I don’t find that argument too applicable especially to the types of people going to bistros (*myself included, i am not holier than thau!*).
Also 2.) More Local Grasses and Biomass vs a Farm. This point doesn’t hold up too well since…you can just rewild the place if that is your concern. Granted complexities of property rights, doing rewilding and reforestation not *afforestation* with non-native stuff or making near monocultures that fail etc, but it is doable.
But between distributed no/low till gardens for most things, larger commercial operations for staples (Mainly Soybeans and Maize, but also beans/lentils and wheat maybe) we can EASILY have some land to spare for rewilding. In the near future if we lean into Plant Factories (aka Vertical Agriculture, Controlled Environment Agriculture etc) using Renewable or at least Low Carbon (Nuclear as well as renewables) Energy we could MASSIVELY shrink agricultural land needed.
I’m rambling but yeah look up Amazonian Black Earth / “Terra Preta” and No-Till Agriculture etc
TLDR: Soils can get VERY good without animals. There is a minor point to be made on accessibility to poorer people/social impacts, but at the end of the day, from a Homestead “Food Forest” to an ultra-modern best practices giant Corn-Soybean Field, you can get the same soil quality and probably more food *without animal agriculture*
Also less risk of Zoonotic Diseases that could go Pandemic and *potentially* less food insecurity spikes due to culling and/or mass die-offs from those epidemics, even if they don’t cross over to us Humans.
*Although* i am uncertain on the latter, specifically on how much more resilient a proper Modern Best Practices, but not Food Forest level Polyculture (ie Cover Crops/Coplanting, and no-till, and heck maybe even subsurface irrigation and all sorts of great tech is used…but it is still a giant field of Select Strains of Soy and Maize) Farm would be.
My brain is telling me it is probably easier to diagnose and treat a field than a herd of animals, but I am neither a Veterinarian or Proper Agricultural Scientist etc so that is NOT a question i can answer without the proper digging for papers and/or consulting actual experts.
Is plant compost as effective for adding all the needed nutrients to the soil as animal based compost? I'm sure the Amazonian black earth comes about from not only decaying plant matter but also from all the wildlife manure and bodies that break down into the soil. I like the idea of veganic agriculture, but also keep hearing about how all the vegan produce still requires either animal manure or lots of chemical fertilizers.
@@oksanakaido8437 On the note of animal stuff, short of maybe beneficial microbes from the animal’s GI Tract and all that, and *maybe* speed, I don’t think there should be much of a difference as long as you have the right chemical composition (can get complex with this, or typical composting “carbon, and nitrogen” material ratios and all that)
On the note of “chemicals” they aren’t *that* scary, the main thing is checking that (“Safety Data Sheets” or SDS) and also *Ethical Sourcing*. Most nitrogen fertilizers are made with fossil fuels, but they don’t *have to be*. My dream is decentralized production of them but that’s a rant for another time. Your typical soil test will say what you specifically need, but the only potential hard to find additives from this perspective would be Phosphates, and also some odd trace minerals.
On the note of Phosphates, one of my ideas is a sort of mix of Bat Houses (especially GIANT ones like the “Bat Barns” at the University of Florida), and some sort of collection system. Basically the concept of those “Guano Islands” and Bat Houses. Could also maybe work with some types of birds. I think it’s neat because it’s mostly renewable, the animals can probably be *mostly* wild, they probably eat pests and/or do pollination, so all in all pretty neat! The one risk would be potential zoonosis risks, although between monitoring the animals, some sort of automated collection/extraction/application system, and *maybe* a sterilizing step it SHOULD be fine.
That’s my rant, but at the end of the day TLDR: Do a soil test, read up on what “optimal soil” is, do due diligence in sourcing materials (although in our current world perfectly ethical is probably out of reach so don’t get TOO overwhelmed trying to do so, although nuance in all this), and have amazing soil!
Wow blowing my mind with all this new info! 👏
I hope they go out of business and go into some other line of work that doesn't support animal ag.
Permaculture is the future. If we want a future. Transition now. Thank you. 🙏💚
I would love to have a vegan restaurant near me. I've checked on HappyCow and there are only vegetarian restaurants and other restaurants with vegan options. but yeah. this definitely is justifiable for a boycott. A vegan restaurant near me would mean so much to me that if they started serving meat I'd definitely not eat there again.
a small part of me died after clicking the video because of the thumbnail. maybe it's my child-like naivety, but I actually clicked because I thought there would be a heartfelt twist and a restaurant was going to serve food to cows to eat, not serve cows as food to eat.
"regenerative" WTF. Economic suicide.
The measurement during covid should have been to scale down, to get pick-up and/or delivery going efficiently, or to sell vouchers to long-term customers as form of loan.
Our government helped out businesses here quite a bit and probably more compared to California, but *all* my regular places have survived strict lockdowns with the strategies mentionend.
@7:50
Totally agree that veganism is FAR, FAR better carbon & methane emission wise.
That's why I'm mostly vegan & plant based.
I went to sage for years… was sad when this happened.
The only vegan restaurant in my town is closing temporarily to do a rebrand and I’m so nervous that they’ll have animal products on the menu :/
Find a good Indian restaurant!
@@hardcoreherbivore4730most Indian restaurants aren't vegan though, even if they do tend to have more plant based options than many other cuisines.
@@oksanakaido8437 Yeah, but when you don’t have any Vegan restaurants such as rural communities, Indian restaurants are easy. Plus they understand the concept, and why it’s important to not violate that trust.
@@oksanakaido8437 Do you only go to Vegan restaurants!?
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 these days, I don't go to restaurants at all except when traveling. Much cheaper and tastier to cook at home🙂 I just thought that the OP was looking to find a wholly vegan restaurant in case their favorite spot's "rebranding" goes sideways, that's why I commented that about Indian restaurants. I do agree they have a much better variety of plant based options than most places, even though I've had a few mishaps with being served non-vegan food at Indian eateries 🫤
Video well done. I live an hour away from the Pasadena Sage and have driven there many times to have great vegan food. I am so disappointed with this and now I wont be driving there any more.
That's disappointing. "...shifting from an all plant based menu to a high quality protein ..." Oh, not this nonsense again. Plant protein is high quality protein.
I think Engelhart's most compelling line of reasoning was referring to her husband's family and indigenous practices of and relationship to eating meat, however she is an LA business nepo baby so it seems very much like marketing rather than like.... symbiosis lol. The real reason seems to be business itself. Also she's anti vaxx.
Very random, but I would love some advice. I have been vegan since 2018 (f23) and am struggling with physical health since end of 2022. I am currently getting diagnosed with fibromyalgia but trying to reduce my symptoms with lifestyle changes
I know plant based food is quite good in my case, but sugar and many oils that processed foods contain are not. I really want to stay vegan, I am just struggling with what to eat, as I heavily rely on vegan foods like mock meats to reach my calories and protein intake. And even now I‘m always on the limit.
Could you do a video on veganism and certain health struggles (that are not caused by veganism)?
Or does anyone have any tips or suggestions for me?
Thanks in advance!
No expert, but as a physically active 6ft male I eat a lot of calories every day and it's not a struggle at all. I'd focus on more calorie dense foods (nuts, beans, tofu, tempeh, oils, starchy vegetables, avocados...). I don't eat a lot of processed mock meats. Best to talk to a professional (vegan) dietician though.
@@carstenaltena Thanks for your response!
I am already trying to do that, one of my symptoms is just lack of appetite and it definitely makes it difficult for me personally to eat enough.
But yes, a dietician might help in the long run, I just cannot afford one right now.
Honestly, talk to a vegan nutritionist. It can be difficult to make a plant based diet work for everyone, but at the end of the day if you’re wanting to stay vegan(which you should), then go seek out a professional who can assist.
@@mirrenmoomin6314 I obviously want to stay vegan haha, but it would be nice to reduce some of my symptoms if it's just a matter of diet changes (while staying vegan). As I mentioned, I am currently not able to seek out a professional for help, although it's a good plan in the long run. Hence my question here for tips
Hello! Have you tried Lentils, beans or quinoa instead of the mock meats? Or maybe substitute with protein powder. Just some thoughts. Good luck 🙏
Shout out Deborah 📢😆
In my city there are just 2 vegan restaurants.
Many other restaurants have vegan dishes on their menu.
I loved this place, I can’t believe this news. So sad
I was really looking forward to eating at sage during my recent visit to LA but had to turn to other options (luckily there are plenty of them) 😊 keep calling out the bs!
Nature doesn't "fucking suck", nature is metal 🙃
Brutal death metal is here for a reason xD yay..?
You're hair looks sooooooo good
I used to think the internet would make humans smarter.
Yeah, weird how I had the opposite journey from her. I bought into this idea back in like 2020, but now I've realized how foolish that was. It's so easy in modern times to just not eat meat.
I used to eat there when I lived in LA. This is a bummer...
I don’t understand the animal harm arguments about regular plant farming. The cows and chickens aren’t being harmed if we use their manure as fertilizer. It’s a fact many of the animals are in captivity, but it’s not like for the purpose of their manure collection LOL. What’s the deal with the fish and bone meal soil additives?
"Regenerative agriculture" is just carnist virtue signaling.
I have actually never liked Sage bistro there were so many better options in Los Angeles
Ducks are horrifying and their mating is almost murder.
As upaetting as it is, I'm so happy that it's sage that did this and not one of the places I enjoy more
Well... When Cows are managed in as nature-like way possible, as in, eat it clean and move on because predators(or a human managnent analogue) the end result is a pasture that is healthier, with more dense growth.
And yes. Carbon negative, as in, removing carbon from the atmosphere.
That pasture requires less active investment, no pestisides, or herbicides.
The Cows will happily eat bug, small birds and rodents.
And will be healthier for it.
Omg!! No!!! Sage was good!!!! 😭 sad day indeed. Not to mention all those innocent animals, of course.
"Wild dogs kill sheep so it's ok for me to kill sheep" 🤔🤔
Noooooo I love Sage 😢😢😢
It's possible to do regenerative farming in a vegan way. UA-camr Hermann goes to a vegan farm in Italy and they show how they "regenerate" their soil with their composting of plants. If the owner wants to change their business model, that's their choice. Trying to keep their current customers by fence sitting seems incompatible with said choice. If their current customers want to continue patronizing, great. If they don't, that's also great.
No better or worse than any other non-vegan business owner. It's easy to convince yourself you're doing the right thing when your livelihood depends on it.
I can totally see that there are people who care enough about animals, even raised vegan, to eat a vegan diet, but not care enough about animals to be seduced by profits and social pressures.
I would say that she was vegan at one time but not really. Just like someone can be anti-racists until a black person moves next to them or dates their daughter.
You can claim to be a certain type of person until your morals are tested.
What are your thoughts on the opposite?
11 Madison Park, a fancy Michelin starred restaurant, did the opposite and went 100% vegan!
An animal from a 'good' farms is more terrified at the slaughterhouse, because they value their live more. This woman is a horrible person.
I like the concepts in regenerative farming. It can be done without harming animals. I dont understand why she has decided to participate in the harm of animals... She doesnt have to...
Omfg! Restorative mammal farming is not a thing. Ugh! Cool video. ❤
Perhaps all the vegans complaining about this should have supported her business more frequently.
What’s not clicking with this Molly lady? I can’t 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
She chose to put financials ahead of her ethics or she was never really a vegan to start with.
Noooo! I have a gift card to this place. Now I don’t want to go.
Can someone who is pro regenerative grazing tell me if this farming method is great for reversing climate, why is it necessary to eat the animals on their farm?
Vegan geography student here and kinda neutral on the subject, it wouldn't be neccessary from an ecological perspective but ig they do have to make money. Do you have any better ideas for a business model involving grazing? /gen
I do know an organic farm with sheeps that graze on one half so the wool can be the fertilizer for the plants on the other half, but it's a smaller one and ig it's not realistic for every bigger farm
@gretaonneken7988 I'm sorry. The point was making was that if one cares about the environment and the treatment of animals, why would breeding and selling animals for food be necessary to improve the environment other than profit.
The claim is often made that regenerative grazing is better than vegan diets for the environment and good for the animals. What is the advantage of eating the animals even if regenerative grazing was better for the environment. Couldn't the animals live on the land and rotated without being slaughtered?
The justifications going from veganism to regenerative grazing and eating animals don't give you a better environment or better treatment towards animals.
This was my favorite vegan restaurant.
What a shame, guess I won’t be eating there anymore
Should we make animals eat other things ?.
It's all about the cash cow (pun intended)
Deborah really did that 😂
03:04 min I still think you are not vegan, when you think of dead animals as food. If people die through violence, we don't say "let's eat them, because why waste all these calories.". To me, as a lifelong vegetarian and now vegan, eating a dead animal or a dead human is exactly the same.
Thanks
Thank you!
Wow her justifications are so weak, I was expecting something a bit more impressive and compelling
it's giving sophia esperanza
Its easy to piss off vegans, lol i do hate how easily i can get pissed lolol
Beens and rice is good for you
Someone told me on twitter their vegan food was mediocre at best anyway😂
yup … déjà vu. Sage -Vegan- Bistro, that is, Sage Ex-Vegan Bistro, now.
the fate of anything vegan …
I love that face you made!!! Be well✌🏽🫶🏼
What are your thoughts on lab-grown meat?
Can you call yourself a vegan if you eat LG, slaughter-free meat?
Deborah for 2024
They should rebrand to "Sau Sage Bistro" so it communicates clearly: "I want to sell meat now because it sells better than tofu".
The "Sage Regenerative Kitchen" is just terribly convoluted, like the argument that you need to continue animal husbandry because you need to use manure for growing veggies. Rotate your f* crops smarter and you will be fine.
dear oh dear, highest quality most regenrative, still murdered, cows :-(
There are lots of ex vegans
Regenerative agriculture is unsustainable when you look at thermodynamics. 95% of the food you give a cow for example is wasted, as an the animal moves about using the food for energy. So it’s highly wasteful, as well huge water usage for farm animals e.g it takes a 1000 litres of water to obtain only 1 lb of beef.
They were never a real vegan restaurant!