One Twin Ate Vegan. The Other Ate Meat. (Super Cool New Study!)
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Researchers randomized 22 sets of twins to either a healthy vegan diet or a healthy omnivorous diet. You'll never believe what happened to their LDL!
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0:00 Intro
1:48 Strengths
4:20 Results
6:50 Everyone is done with low fat
7:37 Protein
8:05 TMAO
9:07 Better than, not healthy
12:04 Limitations
14:11 Vegan shill
15:22 Shawn Baker's response
16:31 Outro
17:25 other stuff
I haven't eaten any animal products for 56 years, and people are usually surprised that I'm older than I look.
ayyyyy, shoutout to the lady who decided to at least be vegetarian! I'm glad to see it. a lot of people who try being fully vegan but end up vegetarian often still lean towards vegan alternatives like plant based milks when it comes to what they want to keep a whole carton of in their fridge, so I think that's great.
yes. plus, going from meat eating to vegetarian alone will make a significant enough impact on the meat industry in the long run
@@MdoubleHB.x bro why tf do you keep responding with unrelated shit to my comments? this ain't the first time. you done lost the plot baby girl.
@@MdoubleHB.x if you smell THAT bad when you eat cooked food, you might have a medical condition dude. you started eating raw and convinced yourself that fixed all your problems. so unfortunately, you probably still stink tbh. or you just dislike the smell of cooked foods, so your impression of people who eat cooked foods is due to being around people while they're cooking food or have cooked food around. either way, you're really obsessed. you've said what you have to say. why say it over and over and over? why waste such energy? couldn't you go help animals? or do you not even care about animals? I bet you don't. but I'd like to have an actual conversation with you sometime. mind dropping your email?
@@MdoubleHB.xhow about no
I gave up milk and beer for Lent several years ago and noticed reduced swelling in my knuckles. This made me curious so at the end of Lent I carefully added these beverages back into my diet and found out that milk triggered swelling in my knuckles. So now I rotate through different non-dairy milks.
Hey! Because of you I’ve gone vegetarian with the occasional exception of eating out and have actually been leaning more and more vegan and cutting down on dairy/eggs too. I’m planning on trying to go vegan for a month in the new year to push myself further that way. I don’t know if I’ll be able to go 100% but I just keep going more without animal products so who knows!
Your reasoned and non-judgmental approach to veganism is the entire reason I even tried. I have eating disorder and mental disorder history and if all I had in my face was judgement at how I was failing I just couldn’t cope. Hearing that all progress mattered and that my efforts would be appreciated and helpful even though incomplete is why I started. I appreciate you so much!
I’m a devout Christian and I was already really aware of the psychology of being too restrictive and how harmful judgement can be. You take an approach similar to the kinds of faith that I think work (psychologically, I realize it can be offensive to treat veganism like a religion and that’s not what I mean-just the adaptation of a new lifestyle/values system process).
Anyway, thanks!!
I think that the thing to bear in mind - and I know this because I made this mistake myself - is to conflate and confuse vegan with plant-based. A few years back we tried ‘going vegan’ for 2 weeks but with no intention of maintaining that. Being vegan is an ethical stance which isn’t limited to foods (it encompasses animal testing, furs, wool, down, animal skins, zoos etc). So, in essence we were incorrect in stating that.
So if you say to a vegan - particularly one that is fully engaged with the animal rights movement - that you are going vegan for a month to see how you get on then they would likely want to encourage you in that endeavour but point out that what you are doing is trying out being plant-based.
@@MdoubleHB.x you are delusional, get help
Good luck.🎉
And why is the correction helpful to your cause?@@robsengahay5614
@@MdoubleHB.x congratulations you're not only delusional, you now became insane
I'm a quadruplet and I live with my sister. Last March I went vegan and my sister went vegetarian. The difference in labs probably wouldn't be useful information though since we're not identical and she weighs 100 pounds more than me but it would be kind of interesting otherwise. I'm an ethical vegan rather than plant-based and even though my diet isn't all that healthy I ended up dropping like12 pounds pretty easily within a few months of going vegan just because I don't eat out often anymore and tofu is lower calorie and more filling than meat. My sister hasn't really lost much weight despite not eating fast food anymore because she still eats a lot of cheese. When I eat well for a week I honestly feel way better than I did when I was eating "healthy" as an omnivore. I'm only like 8 pounds away from being at a healthy BMI when I used to be almost obese.
That's cute. She thinks a t-shirt from 2014 is old. The t-shirts I wear at home are all from the late 1900's.
"Team Building exercise 99!"
My friend's teenage kids thought we were lying when we told them we met online when we were their age
"HOW!?"
Meh, the study wasn't as impressive as all the vegan channels are making it out to be. I was hoping for an actual meat versus vegan study, with doctors without individual biases, 2 disclosures from vegan corporations, and a realistic control of more than 4 weeks and a much larger sample size. Most of the findings were insignificant and showed no causal affect.
I’ve heard Christopher Gardner on various channels and his main goal seems to be find a diet that will improve public health that people will actually stick too. He says it doesn’t matter how wonderful a diet is if no one will follow it.
He has previously talked about the beyond meat study, it’s out comes and why he took industry money to do it on other channels as well as other studies he’s done. Very interesting.
Well ketogenic diets (keto/carnivore diet) are idealic to improve healt issues. Carnivore is ultimate elimination diet for disease and keto is very close to that as well. When you chance your metabolic and start use ketones (ketones comes from fat and if you won´t consume much of fat, you´ll burn your bodyfat for energy and lose weight) as your source for energy from the carb based "normal" diets. There have been so much benefits in ketogenic lifestyle that i would never believed if i wouldn´t tried it myself. I was actually just wanted to lose some weight and drop blood sugars, but as a bonus i have got so much of over all benefits for health that i didn´t even dreamed. I´ve been amazed how powerfull my 9 month journey have been this far.
@@ArchieArpeggio bot.
@@spacebar9733 Who is a bot?!
@@ArchieArpeggio being a human makes it worse.
@@ArchieArpeggio 5 Year carnivore here, the health benefits are really amazing :)
Chris Gardener is great - I went to one of his talks at Stanford about eating a plant-based diet back in 2013. At that time he wasn't eating fully vegan as he had his own backyard chickens who laid eggs, which he consumed. That might be why he's called himself a vegetarian for the past 25 years, instead of a vegan. Awesome video about his newest research!
Anyone else read the title as ‘my twin ate a vegan’?
No? Just me? Cool.
I did as well 😂
my brain skipped someone ate their twin in the womb. Thank you pitch perfect. LOL
Great video!! I find it really funny how so many people are criticizing this study for "repeating things we already know," when that's exactly how we prove things scientifically; by doing things over and over.
This is a cool study! I’m a Pescatarian who only eats fish 7 times a month. I may not be Vegan, but I try to keep my consumption of animal products down. 😊
but avoid fish....
That's great that you do fish in moderation. Most people can't. It becomes a slippery slope after a while. But consider this. If you only eat fish 7 times a month, do you really need it? Because that means you're killing fish 7 times a month. It's a compromise when it comes to health, but not so much with ethical positions.
fishing devaste oceans, avoid fish
Thx ill kerp eating meat @@raymondmartin4983
@@raymondmartin4983I think some vegans tend to forget that it does not need to be an all or nothing thing. Yes you are doing a great thing and you should be proud of your achievements. But the truth is that the majority of people are not going to go vegan. 10 people reducing their meat consumption in half provides significantly more benefit to animals than one person going completely vegan. We should be applauding peoples efforts to cut down rather than the attitude of “if you can’t commit fully why even try”
Meat was never meant to be eaten daily, IMO. It was a treat, not a huge part of our diet until recently (hello factory farming).
According to the research studies that I’ve seen over the years, it really is just fish that’s good for us, which makes sense evolutionarily since we were probably always by a source of water (rivers, lakes, seas) where we could get fish to eat. Anything else couldn’t have sustained us for millions of years, animal agriculture has only been with us for about 10,000 years, and whatever we hunted (wild game, not cows) didn’t last long and didn’t happen that often, it couldn’t have been a big part of our diet. Our physiology is not used to eating tons of meat, which is why being vegan is so doable, so long as you get your B12 and likely your omega 3 (replacing fish).
@@hugomarquez3189 That does make some sense. Not many cultures were vegan, but there lots of cultures that were mostly pescetarian or flexitarian etc. in modern terms.
Food never been eaten daily until last couple hundreds years. Thanks to the factory farming
this can be said about any food group though
@@manga4774 Not really, we’ve evolved eating tons of fiber (only found in plants), and native people in tribes today can be found eating 100 grams of fiber a day or more, when the average American eats 15 grams.
Try to put them both together (vegetables and meat) on the same plate, and it will be a great experience trust-me we Mediterranean have been doing it for thousands of years and we are good.
It's much better when you remove the vegetables.
@MySunWarrior The traditional Mediterranean diets were low on meat. Meat used to be a treat. The studies done on the diet focused on traditional eating styles.
Well done, great analysis of this study.
Great as always, Swayze.
Cool video. Had fun watching. ❤
Thanks for the content
I’ve been eating carnivore, mostly beef, for two months, and my bloodwork looks great, my mood has improved. I am losing weight and I feel amazing. I have been weaning myself off my antidepressants that I’ve taken for more than a decade.
Thank you, simple evidence, easily explained 😊
I feel like 8 weeks is really not a long time for something like this… you can do well on virtually any diet for 8 weeks (obviously excluding cleanses/liquid fasts) if you’re healthy to begin with. I understand obviously it’s not easy to find volunteers for a year + but I’m really not making life choices on 8 weeks of research.
There were some interesting changes though
I watched an interview on this and was happy to see one twin who did vegan remained vegan for 6months but ended up being vegetarian. At least there was that. Another one that had been vegan immediately said "nope, not gonna stay vegan". Oops, I should stop trying to comment while watching your video. LOL Looks like you watched the same video .
It would be interesting to see what hapenned without 3 GLASSES of milk per day. I mean, WHO usually drinks that much milk??? At least, it should be replaced with low-sugar yoghurt
I love your videos Swayze (I hope I spelled it right) you are one of my absolute favourite people on UA-cam. Your common sense is very commendable and you are always ethical and I have learned a lot about nutrition and health. ✊💕
Great video!
Love the Cedar Point shirt! Also, when are you responding to Ben Burgis?
Oef, so the only really beneficial change was cholesterol because they got lower doses of saturated fat, around 15 grams of saturated fat and a bit less dietary cholesterol. That's not a good result for veganism, because you can eat that on a omnivore diet. Just don't eat cheese, opt-in for lean meats, low fat fish, low fat milk and low fat yogurt.
I had to lower my cholesterol and this is how I did it. Only around 13 grams of saturated fat a day. (I of course also ate plenty fruits, vegetables, whole grains and legumes.)
You can easily eat less on omnivore as well even with the animal calories. Just eat a bit less grains and more vegtables and eat legumes regularly. Those are full of fiber as well.
One of my identical brothers is a vegan, the other is not. They also live very similar lifestyles aside from diet I wish someone would look at them. I know one set is not enough though.
Is there any differences you notice? Is one more thin or muscle etc
@@michaelajaltouni3177 Not particularly. They try to eat around the same macros and caloric intake, and keep similar workouts. I would say my vegan brother sleeps better?
Vegan here, twin brother is not. I am thinner, more muscular, less bald. To be fair I am more into fitness compared to him.
@@carstenaltenadifferent levels of exercise also matter
It´s worth noting that a balanced diet works best. For decades some proposed 2 cheat codes for not fattening up:
Eat unlimited carbs that as long as minimizing fat you´ll be slim.
Or, eat unlimited protein and fat that as long as minimizing carbs you´ll be slim.
These may prevent the fattening up without restricting intake in the slightest, but doesn´t prevent the long term harmful effects of overeating. It´s no good minimizing carbs if you end up eating 3,000 calories of fat, same for the other way around. Like an Ockam´s razor, whatever keeps you satisfied with the least amount of food.
It sounds like if you are malnourished in certain ways it's easier to be thin (we need fat and carbs) , but if you eat a balenced diet your healthy body will find it easier to return itself to its set point?
The most surprising stat to me is that over 3/4 of them still live together! I bet less than 10% of regular adult siblings do. Must be a twin thing
I think that’s why the vegans had low satisfaction honestly. Living together but having to cook separately is annoying. (Or maybe they just weren’t good at cooking, idk)
@@emmanarotzky6565indeed all in family shoul avoid animal products, not only "the vegan"
@@cicciomattese Why would everyone avoid animal products when the other twin eats animal products? Doesn't make sense to only cater to the vegan twin.
@@carrela1000 aslo other twin should avoid animal products
@@cicciomattese What are you talking about? The experiment was that one twin ate animal products and one twin didn't. So obviously the non-vegan twin can't avoid animal products. Did you even watch the show or read the study?
I went vegan for ethical reasons, but I think a big part of what made it easy for me to transition fast was that I read books on the subject at a time where I wasn't eating meat for over two weeks nor drinking milk for some time, and all that just because we didn't have anymore.
I think that situation basically neutered the possible mental block of feeling like it would be to hard to stay vegan, making the transition easier because I didn't need persuasion that meat wasn't necessary.
All that to say maybe that's what that lady who stayed vegetarian felt like, "oh actually I guess it isn't that hard"
The only times being vegan is hard is in certain social settings where there is no vegan option. That can force one to ‘make a scene’ in order to get sustenance without it containing dairy or egg. I certainly didn’t want to lie about a made-up allergy as that is a rabbit-hole but nor did I want to make an announcement that I was now vegan and feel I needed to be ready to justify that or deal with the almost inevitable sneering and mockery.
It gets easier though as after being vegan for several months I found that the thought of consuming most animal products actually repelled me and I became more confident about my reasons for being a vegan.
This is exactly it. I’ve been vegan for 10 years, and the only time I’ve had trouble, besides the initial logistics in the beginning, is social dining settings with people hostile toward veganism. I just had a work holiday meal in a rural area where my veganism was the butt of a surprising amount of sneering and indirect criticizing. It was isolating esp bc I don’t question them on their beliefs and doing so is rude. I politely let them know that dealing with ignorant comments is seriously the biggest challenge in veganism. Learning to manage these situations is really key to maintaining veganism if you want to.
I think you handled that quite well @KahruDonno . Hopefully, they thought about their behavior towards you later.
6:54 "Everyone is done with low-fat": the traditional Japanese diet was low-fat, the Okinawan diet was low-fat, and even the traditional mediterranean diet discovered by Keys was fairly low fat at around 20% of calories... There is nothing wrong with a truly low-fat diet (below 30% of calories from fat ideally 10-20%).
I look forward to your review of a vegan diet v. zero-carb diet.
Thanks for the reminder to watch what I eat! More effective than my doctor, not that she doesn't do her job but I step on a scale at a healthy weight, I exercise, good blood tests, and I eat healthy near my appointments and I get a gold star. But heart disease runs in my family. Two heart transplants and my uncle did not qualify for a transplant and I miss him dearly. This hits me in my achilles heel.
I've been pretty broke lately so it's been pretty hard to buy salad greens and watch them rot in two days, it's been harder to eat healthy. I also have a huge craving for muffins and unfortunately I cannot eat citrus fruit and it's winter! I am definitely slacking. But, I did have bean soup for dinner last night and for breakfast! I'm having a second bowl too. I'll buy some bananas I swear!
I can at least make banana walnut bread!
Can anyone help me debunk the idea that hunting fishing and zoos are doing wild animals a service by keeping them from the horrible conditions in the wild. It stupid but hard to debunk it in words.
I can’t explain but I agree with your comment
The more we are able to put animals' natural predators back into the wild, the less we will need to hunt to keep populations under control, but that's not going to happen overnight unfortunately so (responsible and highly managed) hunting still needs to be a thing to make sure the environment doesn't get more messed up from an overabundance of animals like deer/rabbits/etc. Annoying bc we started it in the first place and animals are the ones that pay for it.
It's hard too bc people generally don't care about wild animals unless they are able to see them up close, which is kind of where zoos and aquariums come in to help sway the public. They help people appreciate animals more (I think? I hope?) and the good ones actually try to help with getting animals back out where they belong with breeding programs and stuff, but also yeah like keeping animals from the wild and their natural behaviors and environments sucks.
I'm all for releasing the animals that can be released, and giving unreleasable animals the best/most realistic life they can be given.
Basically, I see the good that comes from programs like (good) zoos, hunting, etc, and I think that they are needed in some extent right now, but I hope they won't be necessary in the future
Also I just realized I completely didn't even respond to what you needed help with. You were saying that people have the argument that hunting/zoos keep animals from suffering in the wild?? That's wild and a bad argument for them to make wild animals literally are built to live in the wild 🤦 I'm so sorry that's so frustrating
Why do animals in the wild want to live if life is so horrible for them? Also, if all humans hunt there very quickly wont be any animals left, and nature will collapse as well as humanity. Do they mean that only a few people should hunt? Then there's the problem of humans looking at themselves as predators and what that does to their psyche and their attitude towards other animals. If they need to kill an animal to save it from suffering, at least they should just give it a funeral rather than eating it, because eating it is unhealthy for humans. If they found a wild dog suffering in nature, and it could not be saved, would they eat it after killing it?
@@MdoubleHB.x lol why are you everywhere
Actually, there are recommendations out there regarding beans. You can find that in the IARC general report on cancer.
Very interesting and informative.
Turn your shirt into a pillow!! ❤️
Thank you for your review of this article! However I didn't find a mention of physical activity in the study. It seems like it would be a confounding variable because it does decrease LDL levels. So hypothetically, the vegans could be doing more physical activity and that could decrease their LDL levels. What are your thoughts on that?
Most of these twins live together so it’s safe to assume they have similar life style in terms of exercise. Still valid point
Baker looks worried. He should redo the study his own way. Carnivore is all about weight loss, gut dysbiosis and food sensitivities. It wont have any positive effects on people with healthy weights and guts.
B-12 in the body can take "years" to break down? I thought that as one grew older, their B-12 needs grew. I used to work with an elderly woman who actually had to have a B-12 injection applied, at least, every week (these were delivered by a nurse).
Both are correct. Your body can store enough B12 to last years, AND B12 absorption gets worse as people get old.
b12 supplements not show benefit for risk population and who not take supplements increase value increase mortality....
Perhaps the next diet study should be vegan vs heart healthy?
They never measure body fat percentage in these studies
New to your channel
Thanks!
Thank you!
I'm actively trying to lower my cholesterol. The problem I face with trying to do a lot of vegan alternatives is they absolutely use lots of coconut oil and cream, so it's trying to choose between low-fat/nonfat dairy or find something without coconut.
and avoid both vegan alternative that dairy?
Anyway coconut increase less cholesterol than animal products
just dont consume oils in general. Or just dont consume foods that are bad for your colesterol. I did alot of testing with different eating habits and avoiding foods get pretty easy after a few weeks
@@Kevin720c in primis have to avoid all animal product, not only coconut oil that increase less cholesterol levels than animal products
Just eat fish plus some vegetables and start doing cardio for 30 minutes at least 3 times a week
@@HYDROCARBON_XD aslo fish increase cholestestol.
Fishing devaste enviromental so no fish and other animal products
Why can't they just provide pre-cooked meals throughout the study? Is it so much against the budget?
A few points you ignored. First, the omnivore group nearly doubled their meat consumption.... so yeah, that explains the rise in cholesterol. Second, you mentioned fish and eggs in one sentence, then 30 seconds later said it's nearly impossible to eat meat and keep saturated fat low.... lean fish, poultry, even certain red meat cuts are ultra lean, less than a single gram of fat in some cases.
I can't stop laughing at 'Carn'adene' 🤣
Also I always feel called out for being a cooconut cheese & yogurt loving vegan 😅
Awesome
The play button could go in that little niche where those plants are!
Like everyone I’m disappointed that UV wasn’t introducing her omnivorous evil twin. Still a good video :)
Is there a link to this study 🙏
Milk was a good source of protein and calcium for my ancestors who only had access to water, milk, potatoes, corn meal from the government, and mushrooms... But in 2024?
People in the United States and Australia eat so much meat regularly compared to the rest of the world. So when someone says to reduce meat or eat meat in moderation to a healthy range, they have no clue what that means. You can cut many of their meat consumption in half, and it is still outside of a healthy diet.
Also, you see a lot of omnivores say to vegans on youtube that they don't eat a lot of meat. As if the United States is a country full of semi-vegetarians. As if most don't eat meat 3 times a day with larger portions or reach for seconds.
Some of these people are being honest, but it's just that they don't know what a healthy amount looks like. Others just want their diets to sound more ethical to the vegan.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a meat eater that regularly eats meat 3 times a day. The main exception is when people are traveling and every meal is from a restaurant, then they’re more likely to get meat in everything, but that’s not typical for an average meat eater on a regular day. They’re more likely to eat cereal or smoothies for breakfast, a PBJ and some fruit and chips/pretzels for lunch, a salad and spaghetti with tomato sauce for dinner… no meat there, still a very typical day for an average meat eater whose food is based from home and not restaurants and takeout.
@@emmanarotzky6565lol wut 😂 that's not a typical lunch for any type of americanized omnivorous diet. I never had spaghetti without meat before I started choosing to eat more vegan meals. I've never seen anyone that's not vegan, besides some extremely picky children, eat spaghetti with a simple red sauce without meat. And dinner always revolves around a meat main. Also, while yeah, breakfast for americans is often just some sugary bs, whenever they actually have time in the morning, they definitely have bacon, sausage and eggs.
I have family that claim they barely eat meat. What they mean is that they don't always have red meat. It's like they don't count chicken or fish as meat. The only meals they have that are meatless are usually accompanied by a fried egg. Defeats the purpose imo.
I grew up in China, and yes I can confirm US people eat so much more meat
I don't know many Americans who eat this way.. @@emmanarotzky6565
Is this related to the netflix show that's coming out soon?
Im confused about weight boundaries
I thought a BMI of around 25 had general lowest all cause and disease caused mortality rates, but it's still considered "overweight" based on the idea that the weight is high to the point thay it's negatively affecting health. Bur if it's not doing that, why is it still the case that someone with a BMI of 25 is recommended to decrease their bodyweight, thereby increasing their mortality risk?
My understanding is that it is associated with the lowest mortality, but that this is skewed by weight loss caused by negative habits such as smoking, and also illnesses and stress. When these are controlled for the lowest mortality BMI is lower than 25. Added to this is the fact that markers improve when people who are 25 lose more fat.
If I had that BMI, I’d be so fat. Can’t even imagine that. I have a BMI of 19 and I still have more than enough body fat. Maybe body builders are skewing these statistics.
It deeply bothers me that they use BMI as an indicator of health when it's been proven to be outdated and inaccurate.
you should cut out the design on your shirt and put it in a picture frame on the shelf 🤩
>>"you should cut out the design on your shirt and put it in a picture frame on the shelf "
@MdoubleHB.x Ah…the cowardly troll has returned!
@MdoubleHB.x have you seen steven universe??🤩
Who is taking care of your bridge while you troll here?@MdoubleHB.x
I'm not asking to change anything, but isn't it "fewer calories" instead of "less calories" since it's integer countable?
You're not wrong, but imho ask yourself why this bothers you.
Using different adverbs for countable and non-countable nouns isn't necessary, it doesn't provide any additional meaning or clarity.
Most people just couldn't care fewer 😉
😂 who paid for this study? Science can be purchased in this new toxic world.
Then maybe you should object to all the studies financed by meat and dairy boards? And to the fact that both the meat and the dairy industries are on the board that decides what is to be considered a “healthy diet” in the US?
Who funded it?
Beyond Meat funds the lead researcher Chris Gardner directly.
The Vogt Foundation (created by “Vegan Mafia” member Kyle Vogt) funded the research, and the same production company that created the GameChangers produced the Netflix programme based on the study.
@davidr1431 Surprise surprise! A bit like how big pharm funds medical research!
The added refined grains and sugar is a good explanation why the insulin values where higher. Why does this not get mentioned? I know the vegans like to believe that sugar is not bad for you but the research is very clear - if the study is industry sponsored then sugar is not bad while if it is independent it clearly shows sugar is bad. So far all the vegan influencers seems payed off because none of you are even willing to look it up.
As someone who is an omnivore, I have no real problem with this study, I just do wish that they did opt to control for calorie and protein intake because I would like to know if there is significant benefit when those variables are controlled. The point that it's easier to maintain a caloric deficit while you're on a vegan diet is a reasonable one, but I would like to know if somebody is able to control their caloric intake on an omnivore diet, is there a difference between the two?
The show about it implied the vegan diets they were eating for the first 4 weeks would be lower protein than what you'd choose if you were a vegan body builder. Most of the vegans in the show about it seemed to lose muscle mass but the data was terribly presented and intentionally obfuscated in places
Getting a Burger King commercial with patties on the grill prior to watching this xD
87 year old italian doctor out of staten island. Throwing left hooks like tyson lol opinions and articles are one thing. Results are another. Wasnt a vegan or vegetarian
The Netflix show about this was so so so so terrible. On so many levels
how
Still waiting for them to do one where the meat eater eats meat but not carbs, because in all these studies they always downplay the fact that the meat-eaters are also eating grains & added sugars, but they blame anything bad or any lack of improvement on the meat.
Implying that the vegans are not eating grains and added sugars? Sorry if im misunderstanding
There are plenty of studies comparing low-carb diets to moderate-to-high carb diets. The results are in: grains aren't bad for you and low-carb diets aren't magic.
No there aren't experiments. There are epidemiological studies, and they generally consider 'low carb' to be 60-100 g per day. I'm talking about a direct experiment like the one mentioned in this video, with someone who isn't having their burger in a bun, a potato on the side, or desserts with added sugars. Grains may not be bad for you; grains are bad for me, and some people. Low carb aren't magic, duh. No diet is. I still want more reliable data. @@TasteOfButterflies
Failed to mention triglyceride increase in the vegan subjects.
Is there a vegan breadtube? I wish there was
Veganism is rarely talked about among breadtubes unfortunately
How you prepare meat, plus the type of meat you eat make a huge impact on these studies. Butter and steak vs lemon and fish for instance is a huge difference! From a personal pov, vegans are less attractive than non vegans. Hair, skin, body composition etc
Still despite my quarrel with veganism I like this UA-camr for being so thorough in research and being so smart. I respect that!
Idk, maybe we're biased but like logically even if it was rigged bc it was funded for beyond meat. You can't deny the fact that LDL and cholesterol will drop. I study food chemistry and yah meat has a lot of fat.
Why would a study go through the trouble of using identical twins and then introduce confounding variables. The vegans ate less calories and the fat, protein carb balance was different. I find it hard to believe dieticians planning and preparing the meals this combined with the small sample size and short duration makes me not trust this study.
u get great viewers who make great comments, my fellow vegan woman youtuber you...
takeaway is if u cant go all vegan go partly, if u can all out go all out cos every little bit helps bring the suffering to an end...one day...
Of course veganism is better than the worst kind of diet there is! Even a "healthy" omnivore diet would lose against early veganism.
Aren’t we also told to eat a bunch of grains for the same reason they have milk on there?
By whom? And what do you mean by a bunch?
Harvard Health recommends 25% of the plate to be whole grains. Is that a bunch? Is that what you're talking about?
The reason Harvard Health gives (I shortened the list of reasons a bit):
Fiber, phytonutrients and rich in minerals which has positive effects by reducing cancer, cholesterol, blood clots and increasing longevity.
All seems to be evident to me.
The benefits of fibre and lower cholesterol, are not incontestable. Indeed a recent study suggested that cholesterol added to life span. Phytonutrients has two meanings. It can just be nutrition from plants it can also mean aspects of plant self-defense i.e. the parts that poison animals, particularly insects. It would be good to see a long term study of vegans and carnivores.
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It's contestable the same way it's contestable that "obesity is unhealthy".
You can always cherry pick data and ignore the bulk of evidence. But that's just people not understanding how statistics works.
Furthermore there are interpretational problems. Higher than "normal" LDL blood levels are correlated with longer life span the same way moderate obesity is compared to "normal" weight.
The statistical normal in the population is high LDL and obesity. Deviations are a proxy for disease.
In both cases we know from multivariate analysis that this correlation reverses direction if we include more measures. Furthermore in the case of LDL we have Mandelian randomisation studies. Not sure how you can argue that away.
Feel free to believe what you want. I choose statistics and the bulk of evidence over cherry picked studies and I look at scientific institutes like Harvard Health to see if I might have missed a significant amount of data or if there is a better explanation (using predictive power estimates) than what I've thought of.
big food is funding it
I wish we could show carnivore people this study first with the groups switched to see how they read the study and if they praise it...only to tell them oh wait actually that was the vegan group results 😂
Try surviving in the wild with no meat or insects,let’s see if your organism can digest poisonous fruit or roots fileld with fungus
Carnivore creeps 😂😂😂
Love you mam.
*fewer calories (not less)
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It's interesting how studies are changing about cholesterol now. How LDL isn't as bad as we once thought. I think it's coming down to being more ethical vs health. Great vlog as always gorgeous. Love the T. Makes the G ta-ta's look perfect 🥰❤👋🏾
Take out factory food and everyone is healthier.
Until vegan agro companies can come up with better tasting egg/milk/meat substitutes the general populace will never change. That satisfaction score will always hold veganism back. I don't rule a vegan diet out for myself but the substitutes are just not there yet and I don't like plants enough to make a switch without them. Interesting study though. I like Dr. Gardner. I try to watch other channels with him as a guest. I find him very pragmatic when it comes to diets. He is not an absolutist vegan. He seems much more reducetarian which I think is a much better strategy to use with the public.
Everyone has different tastes. I’ve always thought cow milk tasted like crap so any plant milk is already way better than cow milk for me. Tofu can replace scrambled eggs easily, it doesn’t “taste exactly like eggs” but it satisfies the same craving and it doesn’t have that gross inconsistent stringy texture that real eggs can have. I think mock meats are good when they’re not trying to mimic real meat texture (the texture of real meat is annoying, why mimic it on purpose?) and the taste of any meat is only as good as the seasoning. Cheese is difficult, I’ll give you that! I think cheese might be a matter of viewing it more as a rare treat when you can get some the good stuff instead of an everyday grocery store thing.
@@emmanarotzky6565 If your goal is to convert more non-vegans to vegans that will not happen from a general populace standpoint with the current substitutes. Doesn't really matter that a vegan likes the vegan substitutes.
Veganism itself is not inherently about diet. Once understanding the animal suffering and exploitation, seeing animal products especially meat is a huge turn off. This research is more about the diet (in which plant-based diet vs omnivore diet would be more appropriate)
Hi pretty lady!!!
Completely cherry picked study and it all tested on high LDL which isn’t all that important. Also the vegans lost muscle mass and had higher triglycerides. It’s total propaganda.
I dodge sugar like the plague, absolutely ignore cholesterol, and consume a huge amount of fat. My fat calories per day are more than most people's total calories for the day.
10 ads in a 21 minute video is wild.
Love the butt plugs in the back! They're so adorable and Christmasy 😍
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I eat a ribeye and 13 oz hamburger a day that’s it . I lost 40 pounds and gained muscle and feel amazing . I probably will dial back the meat a bit and add some rice and veggies but meat is medicine
You need to make a vegan propagandist t shirt
I’m 68 yo woman that’s been vegetarian for 61 years - I’ve recently been keto for the past 5 years - I eat moderate protein high fat - i’ve never felt better with more energy doing this keto diet. There are so many things that this woman talks about that are being disproven at the moment for example, fiber do your research fiber not all that it’s cracked up to be and I have found I don’t eat that much fiber anymore although I do eat salads pretty regularly, but besides that your body adjust and I don’t need fiber for elimination it’s pretty amazing if it weren’t for a spiritual reason for me being vegetarian and being a Buddhist I would eat meat because I actually after reading and doing all the research for the past few years. I Think meat ( the fattier the better) is really good for you even though I’m not eating it. I think one of the problems is thinking that cholesterol is bad for you and lowering cholesterol is something that you want to do they have actually proven and I’ve read the studies several years ago that people with high cholesterol are not having the heart attacks that they were fear of mongering about I haven’t seen anything that convinces me that a vegan diet is necessary or even healthy and like I said I’ve been a vegetarian that didn’t eat eggs for 50 years and although my health is very good, I don’t take any pills or anything. I really can’t believe that veganism is a healthier way to live.
Could you imagine two Swayze's!? The world would implode from their smexyness 😍
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Also, I have tshirts older than that that I still love to rock, no shame in it
Ok but plain low-fat Greek yogurt slaps
Depending on the why eating less, it can mean good news because vegan food is more satiating. Or it can mean bad news because vegan food is so unpalatable. If the vegan group had good energy and satisfaction throughout the day it´s not like they were undernourished but just couldn´t stomach more slop.
What you like is built on your habits. I have not had meat since 1970, and I think it smells horrible without the herbs. Walking by raw meat in shops makes me feel sick. I think the vegan foods I cook are as delicious as can be. People often go back to their old habits regardless of what they are, unless they have a specific incentive to make a change. After a while your taste preferences often change as well.
@@carinaekstrom1 Agreed. Most people were not vegan or vegetarian from birth, and that in itself can make it unsustainable. Unless you are a superhero doing it for the environment or the animals. The first months are always tough because the body is holding onto the adaptations to animal products developed over 15 years or more. Then IF it´s a good vegan diet it can be a smooth ride.
@@julioandresgomez3201 Yes, habits can be both physical and social, for sure.
Natural meat is best, like the naturals vegan 🌱
Well omnivore and vegan diet (carb based) are not healthy if those would be refered to ketogenic diets (maximum 20 grams of carbs). But in keto you can eat veggies if you keep your net carbs under 20 grams. Also what they measured there are pease of crap and doesn´t prove anything else that eating vegan food it is low carb diet but not ketogenic so it will effect your blood sugars and calories so of course it is going to effect lower blood sugar, ldl and even weight in best case.
The best way to make little competition would really be to do the the same but instead of omnivore that shoucd totaly different base of food and full carnivore (totally animal based) to get real compairing. Also there should be larger scale measures for blood tests. All vitamines, minerals blood sugar A1c value, weightloss and then also compair what kind of other health benefits people had get during that period. Time should be ai least 3 months, even better if 6 months. So this would prove that carnivore would beat living shit out of the vegan diet.
Same thing with omnivore versus keto diet. In keto diet you can eat veggies too. So it would be metabolic difference as people that gets energy from carbs would be competing against other who gets energy from ketones (liver makes ketones from fat if you don´t know that all ready).
I changed my life 9 months ago as i made that desition that i will dump carbs so basicly i´m still omnivore but without carbs. I don´t eat potatoes, rice, pasta, bread or any grains at all, but i do eat some non starchy veggies. Veggies have small amounts of carbs, but contains fiber that does not melt in our diggestion at all so we count only those carbs that we can absorb from the veggies and those are so called net carbs.
So why did i changed to keto is health reasons. I needed to lower my blood sugars and i needed to loss weight as well. in nine months i have lost over 22kg that is about is 48,5 lbs. I counted that when i have first aniversary and a whoke year behind i have lost about 30% of my total body weight that i had when i started my new lifestyle. My blood sugars went down in three months and have stayed down. those have been those things that i wanted to succeed to get my bmi to "normal" scale. There is also so much more heath benefits that came for bonus and i didn´t even imagine that would happen just for ditchin all the carbs, seed oils and margarine. At this time as i get more of proteine and good fats my body is goingtrough healing process same time as i lose fat. Also gained more of muscle as well.
So they booth eat meat and was from human? 😅😅
It's frustrating that most non-vegan experts spin this to say that it only shows omnivores should eat lean and fresh meats, when this study specifically found that inferior to a vegan diet. I'm not vegan but I can admit it's necessary for an ideal diet. I'm just lamenting how little impact facts have.
There's small particle LDL *(The actual bad one) and large particle LDL (No upper limit known to bad). LDL in of itself is not a good health marker, unless you are trying to make money off of it. This information, proved by well designed studies, has been available for years.
Hate to say it but I am way healthier than my non vegan identical twin brother. He’s vegetarian so things could be worse I guess.
I noticed some nice health improvement when I went fully vegan, after having been vegetarian for 42 years.
Because he doesn’t exercise as much as you