Seaspiracy Kind of Sucks
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2021
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The number one problem was naming it Seaspiracy and not ConspiraSEA
I think seas-piracy is pretty accurate name ;)
Yeap
I disagree, Conspira-sea and Conspiracy sound exactly the same. It's not good for verbal recognition, and for a documentary that is looking to be talked about, Seaspiracy is a lot more immediately understandable.
@@LaurenAtkinsonlife yep! And I suppose the creators wanted to keep the name link to cowspiracy.
@@TessaConstants yes and yes. They said they wanted to keep the trend with the other doco and conspirasea doesn't stand out, and sounds like the original word
I was pescatarian but this movie made me and my fiancé go vegan and proceed to learn a lot more about it. So that’s a positive :)
But is vegan diet even sustainable?
@@wij8044 for sure :)
This documentary is doing what it set out to do, though. My husband works at a taproom in a larger city in the Midwest. Most of his co-workers are college students who spend most of their shift gossiping about other co-workers or talking about their classes, but yesterday he walked in on a large group of them in the break room having a serious discussion about fish consumption after they watched Seaspiracy. Putting little sparks in peoples’ brains is going to lead to big change.
Yes! Another activist mentioned it this way: think of someone’s path to veganism takes 100 points. The movie added 10 points, work conversation another 10 points, post research on their own...
hey megan, I totally agree. can you sum up her criticism for the documentary? I have this odd feeling that she is nitpicking😄
@MdoubleHB stopppp
@MdoubleHB yeah theres no pandemic just look at indea and the 550,000 deatha from covid that happwnwd in america
@Megan Kaye I read your comment then as "My husband works at a tampon in a larger city in the Midwest"
I’m not vegan, mostly plant based. I watched it and now I really don’t want to eat sea creatures anymore after watching it. Sooo guess it was ultimately successful. 🤷♀️
Yeah, I think that's what these documentaries are ultimately trying to do. Make them super dramatic so they get more views and more people to try veganism. I'm not complaining about that though lol.
Same
Why aren't you vegan yet tho?
I think you have to research more if you're still not convinved to be vegan. Which products are you still using?
@@rachel-zs2oc in what way exactly are they making them “super” dramatic? the brutal MASS killing of sea animals isn’t enough reason to overexaggerate some of the facts? i’m not trying to be rude just wanna know how theyre making it “super” dramatic.
The documentary isn’t perfect but it’s started the conversation about the fishing industry which I think is a great start!
It has a completely white view of fishing, completely ignores the fact that a lot of communities rely on fish as a source of food and just once interviews a non white activist in Somalia, completely ignoring others discourse. This is a start to wash guilt off white people as they keep ignoring the rest of the world needs because whites know it better.
Starting a conversation with dishonesty and deception is extremely bad for getting people to go more vegan. Just like those crazy vegans that protest and block people entering restaurants. They make people want to eat meat just out of spite and create an anti vegan side that just want to consume more meat, and it also makes normal people laugh at vegans. Honesty and transparency is always the way to go.
@@kim8dk This, being dishonest undercut th movement and the message.
@@deffnott you should watch the documentary before you comment :)
@@Stuenestoppen2 I should have not watched it instead, then I wouldn’t be flustered. As a person who takes storytelling very seriously, and knowing millions of people rely on fishing to live, or hunting or farming, I just can’t help wondering why vegans (I’m vegan by the way) care more about animals than about their brothers. You can’t go to Japan and never get words with a local activist, that’s silencing what people there are doing daily from years and showing nobody cares. Same goes for when they where they go to West Africa. Why interview only one local activist? Why not introduce local problematics before saying all those people are “just hungry” so they “can’t do anything poor ones”. This is patronizing almost a century of fights for equality and represention that clearly this media failed to give. I’m tired of white people pretending they invented ambientalism, when it clearly is people in “developing countries” that have been facing problematics connected to abuse of local geography for decades and have been fighting against it.
I think the idea of pretending to learn it all the first time is to mimic the audience's experience.
Yeah people don't like documentaries unless you do something stupid like this. E.g. Documentary about the life of a rock star > only their huge fans will watch. Pretend rock star was murdered? > everyone will watch
it's so flipping annoying.
Yeah, it was obviously a stylistic thing, which isn't a problem. Pretty much every documentary ever produce does this. I thought it was kind of cheesy here and there, but I honestly was so gripped by the info that I didn't care much.
It COULD make people say "the guy had an agenda from the start. It was manipulated", but the doc can't be dismissed on that ground. The info speaks for itself. The guys job was to guide us through it in an organic way.
A good documentary should assume the audience is intelligent but not well informed.
I think the fake learning serves as the story for the documentary. So, the movie doesn't feel like just bunch of facts one after the other.
I really appreciate it!
It doesn’t really matter whether or not he was vegan before making this, it’s impacted a lot of people I know already who are going to go vegan, the documentary is very factual and if it changes things that’s what matters
It's not very factual that's for sure. From using old data and outdated studies and the way everything is documented makes it seem very one sided. Sure, it exposes an important issue but there is a difference between documenting something and using everything you can from any angles to support your agenda.
Dude, that's awesome that you know people that are going vegan because of seaspirisy! 👍(Wish I could say the same) haven't watched the documentary yet, but I'm really excited for watching it tonight. I really hope your correct and it is all factual and doesn't exaggerate, because if it does, that shines a bad light on veganism. Burns the grassroots you know.
I just wonder if people will remain vegan if their reasons are founded in environmental reasons that are subject to change. If we reached a point of 'sustainable fish farming', or even if that could just be sold to someone, then your core reason for going vegan is gone. If you're vegan for ethics, theres no changing that (generally speaking). And ofc - how many people will be cutting fish but upping chicken?
@@pgp519 well, how they start is not really a thing I believe. For example; if someone starts to be vegan for health reasons, eventually it's more likely they will find out about the ethical reasons because when you don't longer consume the animals, you can view the harming of the animals more objectivly without the gult they felt before. Same for the environment. And second; it doesn't matter wich reasons they become vegan - as long as it's benifits the animals and the environment, in that context the intent is not important - as long as they find a way for themselves to keep "going". And that's what you mean. But how they start is less relevenat, because some do it at first for health reasons, others for environment, but in the end they will come to the ethical reasons one way or the other. They don't have to start with it. Lots of vegans make this mistake and focus too much about the "intent" in stead of the psychological human yourney everyone goes to. And that's not linear as in; they MUST start with ethics.
@@pgp519 veganism is an ethical position, it's not for the environment. Those who do it for the environment wouldn't live a completely vegan lifestyle but less cruelty to animals would a byproduct of that... They may end up going vegan though, since they'll probably educate themselves more than those who eat meat and developed that understanding. In that case they wouldn't eat fish since it would now be for ethics lol. And like you said, if there was a way to eat fish which is fine for the environment then "vegan" environmentalists would... vegans wouldn't.
I told my wife: "If only 50% of this doc is true, it's 10x worse then I thought." We loved fish. We won't eat them anymore.
The part which got me the most is that you can't trust a lable anymore. I hate the fact as a consumer, that I've look up stuff which is clearly our govt. task. If I read "xxx frienely" and it's not, fk that shit.
Do you think this review will encourage people to watch Seaspiracy? I think this movie is great regardless of it's flaws because it sends a message that is so rare in the mainstream. We should support these kind of initiatives.
My boyfriend who is super non vegan, considered not eating fish anymore. Lolll that's a step right?
Consumers eating less fish make no difference.
My husband really loved this documentary. He is not vegan but I am. He just doesn’t care about the animals lives. 😞 but now he won’t eat seafood. That is one huge step for him! Small victories, and this is a small victory. So I liked the film too.
I think immediately assuming he doesn't care about animal lives is putting an unfortunate toxic label on your spouse.
Maybe he jokingly agrees, but perhaps you also don't have a serious discussion about it.
Idk hard to tell from just one comment, but most of the time hyperbolic statements like that aren't seeing the whole picture.
Thats amazing!
Really forcing your husband to be vegan and assuming he doesn't care about animals just shows how toxic your personality trait is if you don't like him not being vegan then that's your problem your the one who married him
This is why I kinda dont like vegans
Has he watched Dominion? That turned my partner vegan 😉
IMO the film was wholistic and less preachy-vegan by including all elements of issues related to fishing IE: environmental impact, species extinction, by-catch, animal cruelty, misleading product labels, unspoken plastics issues, human-slavery, corruption, criminal activities etc etc. I reckon it could have been much longer because there is so much more to tell in many areas of the world
Hey, I‘m a biology/environmental science student from Switzerland and completely agree with what you‘ve said.
Personally, I enjoyed the documentary because sometimes it can feel overwhelming how little people care about animals, the ocean, other species than themselves. So I was happy to see that almost everybody I knew here was sharing the documetary, talking about it, saying they were going to stop/reduce their fish intake. I think it would have been important to talk more honestly/openly about the parts you‘ve covered, but still I am incredibly grateful because it did (obviosuly) catch peoples attention and get them to think.
exactly! Isn't this the point, getting people to ACT more responsibly? If as a result of this documentary a large group of people understand their impact and stop their fish intake.....than that is beautiful to me.
Hy from Switzerland too
As a marine science student, environmental vegan, and person with experience in the aquaculture industry, I hope Seaspiracy gets people to think about the impact of their dietary choices and consider reducing/cutting out fish in their diets and be less insistent on only eating wild-caught fish.
However, as somebody in the field I take issue with presenting facts about the fisheries industry (plastic, slavery, etc) interspersed with some serious misinformation about how the ocean works as a system. Whale/fish poop doesn't contribute significantly to phytoplankton blooms, they happen due to seasonal changes in mixing and sunlight. Fish swimming hasn't been implicated in coral bleaching. Farmed salmon get their colour from beta-carotene in their food, which is needed for proper ocular development. Wild salmon get their beta carotene from eating other fish that eat phytoplankton, which use beta-carotene as an accessory pigment for photosynthesis. It makes it hard to separate the facts from the fiction, and makes it easy to be skeptical or dismissive of the documentary as a whole because they failed to fact-check, or interview scientists who actually study these things. I'm mad they used Sylvia Earle (who is legit) to give scientific credence to a doc lacking in credibility in certain areas.
I heard that they didn't even tell her it was for a documentary and that she didn't know what the interview would be used for, sad they did it to Sylvia. She doesn't agree with a lot of Seaspiracy's points
@@ookyspooks3078 That's a massive yikes from me! I don't think you can be in the marine science field and not have issues with some of Seaspiracy's points because a lot of it is misleading. If they'd interviewed actual fisheries scientists and experts, they could have made a solid documentary that drew attention to some very real issues, instead of using Sylvia Earle's reputation to prop up a bunch of questionable science.
@@katiescollection6707 EXACTLY! 100%! Now anytime one of us speaks about the negative impacts of this documentary we get yelled at by people who aren’t even studying marine biology or conservation. I’m tired of people getting info from one somewhat unreliable source and think they know EVERYTHING🙄 but also it’s not our job to hand feed you information cause you’re too lazy to go to google scholar and look at research papers
@@ookyspooks3078 I have a guy trying to convince me that Seaspiracy's information is 100% correct on another video "because you can find it all online." 😂My lab studies biological nutrient cycling, and I've taken both phytoplankton biology and biological oceanography, so I understand bloom dynamics just fine. The drivers are physical processes, and that's not up for debate because it's a fact. Coral bleaching is happening, but like... it's not because of heat transport from fish, and to claim that downplays the very real effects of climate change on the ocean from anthropogenic sources.
If eating animal products was environmentaly friendly, would you support the animal Holocaust ?
I understand your point, but I still think the documentary is a good way to open up people’s eyes - specifically the ones who are stubborn and are fixed on their own opinions. 👍👍
Pssst! She doesn't want people opening their eyes. She is the biggest hypocrite on Y0utube.
I feel these films are valuable for the few things that they convey to people, things that are going on. They may stimulate people to use it as a stepping stone to further, less sensationalised information.
i like the way you think man. Seaspiracy should be considered a good stepping stone to understanding the issue, however it relied too much on shock value, and pointed to singular solutions such as going vegan.
The problem is that if we don't do something drastic like not eating fish or drastically reducing our intake, we will decimate our oceans. Regulations do not seem to work because there's too much money and corruption involved. The greed of the industry is atrocious but that's only because of the huge demand for fish. The fact that a majority of the plastics in the ocean are from discarded fishing gear is ridiculous.
What about the part where they explain how overfishing will ultimately mess up the food chain in the oceans severely? Is that accurate or no? Because if that's the case, then I think the enviromental argument stands)?
Marine science student here - it's accurate. Marine food webs are complicated af, and we've already caused changes in fish size and maturity due to selective pressure from overfishing.
yes that is legit. it's like how seals are resorting to eating squid rather than salmon, tuna etc. because they are running out if it.
@MdoubleHB girl you're in a cult
I appreciate that you are willing to honestly criticize vegan documentaries. No doc is perfect and we have to remain critical of things even when the message agrees with us. I am still recommending it to people but just hoping they can use their own critical thinking to sort out what messages are important. I always advocating the ethics of veganism along side documentaries and other resources. I was really hoping that they were going to focus on the animal suffering rather than the environment :( These kind of docs are unfortunately the best pieces of media we have to share the vegan message with a large number of people.
i wouldnt call it honestly critisizing,its more like she is critisizing it in her weird sense of how she views it,what she is doing her is the equivilant of a jew trying to defend hitler.
@@Marcustheseer She's just critiquing aspects of the film that are wrong, and giving her personal opinion about being upfront with your intentions. Comparing that to Hitler is such a strange comparison
@@forestgreen9002 Everything on the internet is about comparing something to hitler lol
Unfortunately painting it as an invornment problem solely was necessary since humans are selfish and only care about themselves. The fact that up until 70 years or so people were questioning whether or not animals feel pain at all is baffling and so incredibly selfishly stupid and ignorant. Humans truly are idiots. Even insects detect other insects in suffering.
@@forestgreen9002 wel what is beeing said in the documentry that is wrong then?
I think it's important to have a multi pronged approach (talking about environment etc.) because not everyone will become ethical vegans. Different people respond to different reasons
You will never be able to convince large scale corporations and government that fishing is bad because killing sentient creatures is wrong, you will only get results by talking about the bigger picture and that’s what the documentary does. Also, saying that “the film makers were vegan before they made this documentary and that that’s disingenuous because the find reasons to justify after the fact” is weird sentiment because it has the same end goal and you have to convince normal people by presenting other consequences besides “fish pain”
I think the point was that the film makers were *ethical* vegans before the documentary, and that they're invoking environmental reasons in lieu of their actual motivations. It's a fine tactic, but ultimately if the environment weren't an issue the film makers would still be vegan.
Its so crazy how people villainize vegans. Who cares if they were vegan before? Im not going to say an entire nature documentary is invalid because the producer is a meat eater lmao.
A good documentary has to tell a story. It's ok to blur the lines on when he became vegan, because it creates a story that is compelling and keeps people watching. You can't sell a film without a through line.
A great documentary is fact and not fiction. Fiction is for Hollywood Drama's and has no place in something that is meant to portray the truth.
No that's wrong. A documentary is a presentation of facts which this can be debated for being.
I enjoyed the doc but I respectfully disagree, A good doc at least one with a narrative does need a through line..but the need for a through line and his choice to use vegans in this context is misleading
Regardless of issues in this documentary it is still important to alarm people into changing their attitudes and I’m glad people are finally starting to speak up about fishing- watched it with my dad who’s an avid meat eater, he didn’t completely get the message that his attitude to food needs to change to help this but I’m still proud of him for watching it
I don’t understand why people are caught up on the fact “they pretended to learn all these facts while filming”. Does it really matter? Also is it not possible for someone to not eat something and not know all the facts. I didn’t eat seafood before Seaspiracy because I just don’t like the taste and texture but now learning and seeing everything that happens put me off it even more
same!!!
Thanks for reviewing it.
I thought the film was pretty good. It tries to be effective. There is some misinformation, but I wouldn’t say it sucks...
Terrible, immature reaction/review.
The point of this provocative documentary is to serve as a reminder to make food choices that don't harm our planet and to ignore the fishing industry and their affiliates BS marketing ploys.
I think your position on the film being somewhat backwards is definitely an interesting one and as someone who has been vegan for years, I sympathize, however, I do understand why vegan documentaries always seem to go this way. It is usually very very difficult to get omnivores to consider the animals they are already eating without using a little pathos and inquiring about the animals that they do care about. I wish that more vegan documentaries didn't have to rely on well liked animals and their plights in order to get some attention to the "ugly" or "food" animals but I think things will remain this way for a while.
💯💯💯👏🏽
Agree 100%
Of course if there is a clear way to go about it that is as efficient, please share. Besides the obvious Vegan goal of this documentary, they truly care about the environmental issues. Why would one that has the sensitivity to be vegan not care about the overall health of the ecosystems? I don't see it as a means to an end or as Team Planet / Team Ethics.
'All animals are animals' clearly doesn't reach the masses. Not enough to make an impact. Globally we are closer to eating dogs than to understanding fish are sentient beings.
Do you think documentaries like this work at turning people vegan though?
Full disclosure, I'm not vegan, but the main thing that's made me drastically reduce my meat consumption in the past few years isnt watching these documentaries (and I've seen the well known ones) its watching channels like this. Watching things like this or cowspiracy makes me feel more hopeless than anything.
@@haveyoutakenyourmeds yes,yes they do,made my aunt and a couple of friends go vegan bc of seaspiracy,if you're not vegan and it's been years, clearly unnatural vegan is not doing a good enough job at convincing you
@@haveyoutakenyourmeds In personal experience I think several things have to come together in someone's mind to make them decide to go vegan, and documentaries can help that along, but it's rare that watching any single documentary will make someone go vegan and stay vegan long term.
I think you need to have something you already care about, environment, health, some animal welfare, e.c.t and that can get your foot in the door to learning about the scale of suffering that happens (which like you said, is pretty demoralising).
And then if you feel personally empowered to do something about it through your choices, then you have some tool to fight against that horrible reality, as opposed to going the opposite way and not wanting to hear about it ever again.
I think these documentaries can provide the knowledge groundwork for people, but the belief that people can personally have significant impact and the decision to make that happen is down to the individual.
I feel like I’m weird though because I kind of care more about climate change as a vegan than animal suffering. I’m still vegan for the animals definitely but like at the end of the day I care about all animals I including ppl so I want to end suffering around the board. And climate change is such an important issue because if we don’t have an earth capable of taking care of life as we know it than what’s the point of we don’t even have animals or life in general. So I don’t really mind the climate change route because it’s such a big deal in the grand scheme of all sentient and non sentient life. I’m just afraid that the way the documentary goes will deter people all together from the ideas if they fee lied to.
Animals live matter... you should understand that. .. and it's not like you'd harm the environment by loving animals. ..
@@science-y9209 I guess he understands that very well, he stated he is vegan for the animals and that he cares about all animals including people, so you/we are on the same page :)
I’m with you. I went vegan for the animals, but now that I’m vegan there isn’t so much I can do *more* about, but there is much more active work to do to avoid drastic climate change, so I focus on that too. You can do both, one more “passive” the other one more active, I don’t think there is anything weird about it.
@@piau1798 yeah.. there's nothing weird about that ...
But one shouldn't start caring less about animals either ..cuz they need our love and care as well.. i visit animals whenever I'm free and i feed strays as well..
In a minimalist. .and i don't take showers for too long ...i don't waste water.. i don't use detergents.. recyle gray water ...my mommy grows her own avocado and a bunch of other fruits and veggies and microgreens (in our apartment !)
We don't use plastic bags and refuse takeways (infact takeaways were never allowed in our home ).. we take our own bags to the stores , buy local fruits and veggies. ..from like farmer market and road side stands..
Also , remember that it's possible to be sustainable even when you're a meat eater..
For you can't claim to love animals and at the same time , eat their flesh like a hungry beast ...
Climate change is directly linked to animal suffering though with the meat industry being one of the biggest contributors. Just kind of a strange take lol.
I don't agree... I think the importance of getting the information out takes precedence. This doc made me feel so dirty as a person and I'm vegan, so I hope it makes a difference in people who haven't realized their footprint on the earth.
That very last lines about "sustainability is not enough, sustainability without cruelty is the goal" really stuck with me.
The rest of the documentary indeed felt "mehhh" to me (mostly by the weak / inaccurate arguments).
Bizarrely I would not recommend the movie, but it did change me.
Lame
U fast forwarded the documentary? How are you
eligible enough to review the documentary & say that it sucks?
Get what you're saying but overall I thought the film was good. Netflix has such a massive audience and i think it will open up a lot of people to the environmental damage and suffering that the industry causes. I also think it calls out pescatarianism pretty well
seaspiracy is about the problem of overfishing and the plastic pollution created by this industry. this message is very clear and well delivered. a video post with this title is click bait and counterproductive however reasonable concerns it might present. thumbs down.
Talk about missing the point...
I thought your video was very insightful and I found myself have the same thoughts and feelings as you did throughout the movie, so thanks for that!
I would like to point out in your segment about waste management that many of not most European/Western countries export a significant amount of their waste and recycling to these developing nations therefore still contributing to ocean plastic. It’s such a grey area in the field making it hard to quantify and why it often goes undocumented.
Yes, investing in these countries’ waste management efforts can help but so can literally not shipping garbage like it’s an export commodity. Also I completely agree, if a film is made with veganism as the main takeaway than don’t hide behind the cloak of environmentalism and sustainability. Use them to state your case but don’t just tack on your reason for making the film at the end
Thank you! This is a great overlooked point
I think it's rather distasteful that you laugh after mentioning "fish pain and fish suffering"
youre jokin if u cant read the tone of that lol
i.e 'this guy doesnt want me to kill a cat but he luvs the nuggies mmm haha' - is that me laughing at either killing a cat or a chicken? no, its laughing at a demonstrated hypocrisy
Most vegan/plant based documentaries are NOT made for those of us who have been vegan/plant based for years (since 1970) but for NON vegans, NON plant based, NON environmentalist minded folks. Yet even we long time plant based folks who became plant based for environmental reasons still learn new things. And showing how workers in the seafood industry are treated is important for those of us who are interested in human rights, social justice issues.
Sailing from San Francisco to Hawaii every year (sail boat) to Hawaii the increase in garbage has grown big time, and while there is a lot of fishing nets etc., we still see most is plastic bottles, six pack plastic holders, plastic bags, straws, plastic containers and the like.
Go to the north shore of any of the islands in Hawaii and you can see what the ocean currant is washing up on the shore. Same with various coastal areas from California Oregon Washington and Alaska. Also remember waterways like rivers, lakes here in the states have plastic garbage that kills birds, turtles, otters and other wildlife.
So vegans can't make content regarding to the environment because they're vegan and it's gonna be propaganda? It definitely feels like a stretch tbh,the creators made a great job and the documentary touched a lot of people,it was the whole package as it even touched on health. No reason to say the whole thing is invalid when 99% of the information is decent
Thank you for this comment, I agree.
Something to note, wealthy developed nations sell/dump tons of plastic waste on poor, developing nations.
Tbh I watched seaspiracy as a vegan and learned a thing or two. So yea you can become vegan for the animals without knowing everything about the ecological reasons
I definitely appreciate it shining a light on these issues for those that didn't know. If the biggest issue is the alternate motives of the filmmaker, I'm not messed up about it. If this brings attention to bigger issues and people make changes based on it, I'm ok with it.
I’m the only vegan one in my family and most of my friends and I still encouraged people to watch this documentary. I understand why the filmmakers exaggerated and focus on certain topics because that’s what will upset a non vegan and get them to start asking their own questions. I became vegan for environment and then it changed for the animals.
Are you against people eating meat
I still haven’t watched this yet! I have to mentally prepare myself because I know I’ll be depressed for a week after 🥲
Same. I am already depressed. This will only make it worse. I hate seeing animals or people suffer.
Then don't watch. No need totrment yourself if you already know what's going on.
Take good care of yourself :)
Me too. I have yet to watch black fish? The whales and stuff. I just can’t! I cried at the preview!
@@hollyerorabaugh4406 blackfish messed me up. Every time I go to Orlando to visit my partner I flip off sea world and get agitated every time I see a billboard 😂😭
Then I don’t recommend My Octopus Teacher but at the same time I do lol
I think the biggest takeaway from the documentary is the mass extinction going on without anyone seeming to care that much. Plastic and opinions about veganism is secondary to saving life on earth
Yessssss I was hoping you'd review this.
I really appreciate you covering this topic! I agree with your points about the movie, and I think your statement sums it up perfectly; "They are out to save the fish, not the oceans."
Saving the fish will automatically saving the ocean. It's all connected No?
what you don‘t mention is that europe and the US ships a lot of our garbage to africa (electronics, cars, clothes, and so on).
absolutely right man
Thanks for the review! Will look for the Good Catch Tuna.
I didn't watch the documentary because I can't watch animal cruelty anymore I just start crying especially after watching The Cove (2009). I still think its really important that the film is available for people to watch especially since I know a lot of pescatarians that have now cut down on fish after watching it. Also you're absolutely right, we don't need to eat fish! Vegan for 6 years and never going back.
Tasty though ,delicious 🤤
@MdoubleHB but tasty 😋
@MdoubleHB cry all you like but there’s nothing better than cow blood on steak 🤤🤤🤤
so you critize them for telling a story with a conclusion, instead of making a short film where they just state their conclusion?
Pretty much lmao, it's not a UA-cam video, documentaries are meant to be scripted. Imagine a documentary telling you "lions live in the wild and eat other animals. Don't believe me? Look at them!!" Instead of "lions are so cool, let's investigate what they do in the wild.. Oh look! They're killing animals for food"
the unnatural contrarian
As someone who was shamefully blind to the things going on, ignoring my more natural world, and worrying about the temporary and unfulfilling. Nothing on the internet is perfect, and people will always have something to say. But dont discredit. This film opened eyes. I've made the conscious decision to go vegetarian and hopefully vegan with in the next year and half. Me. Not forcing it on others but willing to educate. Do your research, go down the rabbit holes, wake your soul up. Realize the cause and effect of your actions, and the consequences that can unfold. We cant change the world in a day or with a documentary, but we can take them for the growth tools that we can take advantage of. To change anything, start within, start with you. Your everyday has an impact. Weather they be severe or minor, every action makes a ripple.. be a wave maker🌍
I gotta agree! I know a few people that went plant based after watching What The Health and then after debunking some of it, it discredited all of it. They felt like they were lied to, because they kind of were.
So they can't do their own research? What exactly is their problem with veganism?
@@lacedhexes Of course they can, and did do, their own research... which is why they didn’t stick with it.
@@whatthehellbob I can't see the logic.
I used to watch documentaries like this around 8 years ago when i first went vegetarian, which was pretty hard for me to maintain initially, because it was a big lifestyle change. So learning all these digestible environmental and health arguments that backed up my instinctive ethical motivations helped me through that rough patch. Now being much better informed about nutrition and food systems, I totally agree with your critiques, but i do think stuff like this can be the push some people need to change their habits so i see merit in it. My own sense of right and wrong wasn’t enough for me when i was broke, didn’t know how to cook, and had no vegan friends or family.
I agree with a lot of things you say but definitely not on this. Honestly who cares if they got some stats wrong? The discussed and show actual footage of so many important issues at hand. It also seems like a lot of people are willing to stop eating fish after watching the movie. This is so much more important than nit picking a few stats.They wouldn’t convince anyone to stop eating fish if they didn’t use the approach they did.
Good points made here, but I liked the film and hope it achieves what it was designed to do - to reduced fish consumption. Wouldn’t it be great if a critical mass stopped eating fish and helped save the marine eco-system? I think so.. reduce fish suffering and reduce human suffering as result of catastrophic ecological collapse
Hey! Love your videos :) could you do a video on entomophagy from the perspective of an ethical vegan and how it could affect the way the food industry works now?
It’s an interesting question from an effective advocacy perspective... is it okay to prioritize arguments based on health and the environment even if they’re not the arguments we find personally compelling? Is it possible that people are more open to ethical arguments if they’ve already come to veganism for other reasons? (Similar to Swayze’s experience of dietary vegan -> ethical vegan)
Food Inc., still my overall favorite... Probably as it helped me make an ethical connection. In all fairness, haven't seen Seaspiracy yet. Hear it's pretty good though 🤷
It feels like I've been thinking about this film non-stop for a week now. I really think that some people (including myself) are either ignorant to, or don't care about, the cruelty side of fishing. However, in the grand scheme of things, saving the ocean means saving the planet from environmental collapse, so for us is much more of a driving factor to stop eating fish.
Avoiding the actual end of the world seams like a far more pressing issue than the feelings of fish that I can't quantify or experience. I think it basically takes a certain kind of kindness and empathy in a person to care deeply enough about an animal to stop eating it - I have gone fishing before and had a great time. The doc just made me realise how connected everything was, and how obvious the issue of industrial fishing is.
A thing to at add at 9:53: did they already calculate in the garbage Europe and North America send/sell to other countries?
A dishonest argument is never effective. A boring but honest argument is better but less effective
Being overly dramatic and not being that strict with research and facts? So it's basically just an average USAmerican documentary? Got it!
It does go over research and facts tho, you haven’t seen it then
Are there any documentaries or films around veganism or environmentalism that you recommend? Or even shorter educational videos about it that you can share or watch with others?
I doubt she will, she has only recommended vegan orientated channels that are essentially plant based receipe channels, the order to palacte the feelings of her audience, she's a pick me vegan, she has no interest in promoting vegan educational docs.
@@ONeill01 probably because most vegan documentaries are filled with propaganda, pseudoscience, or misrepresented science. If UV really didn't care about documentaries, I don't think she would continue reviewing them. It's not like this was that different from other documentaries she's looked at before so it's not like there's any new critiques for her to add.
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@@jackrussel999 Where did I say that she didn't care about docs 🤔. I said she is not intrested in promoting vegan education in terms of animal ethics given that she is not vegan herself, advocating leather shoes and purposefully eating chessy tofu when accidentally ordered - that is pure carnist propaganda.
@MdoubleHB cooked food is toxic and deadly? Yeah I guess that's why there's so many people dying young because they steamed their broccoli and the nutrients were more available to their body. 😔🙏
do you hear yourself?? 😒 Please listen to some actual experts instead of cultist raw vegans. Go check out Dr. Virginia Messina or Dr. Jack Norris. I think it would change your life in the best way.
Wonderful commentary. Being honest is the best approach. It's extremely tricky. People living off the grid say in Alaska for example, they must fish to survive, hunt as well.
I really appreciate this perspective! Im not a vegan, so I havent been really sure how I regarding this. I appreciate how you were able to put aside your bias and look at this critically. Even though you agreed with a lot of the overall message.
You presented these thoughts really well and you should be very pleased with this video
I said the exact same thing about them pretending to learn it all the first time.
I feel like people present their content in a way to have the biggest impact as soon as possible, but that it's easy to poke holes in thay sort of stuff and it can damage the overall credibility.
Love the background 😍
Have you ever done a video on Mock Meats for breakfast? I was attempting to meal-prep a Breakfast recipie and got stuck with all the brands to chose from. Ive had some DISGUSTING mock bacon a few times and would appreciate your opinion as i usually agree 🙂
I believe she likes the Lightlife Smart Bacon, but also clarifies that it just tastes like chewy salt and that's why she likes it. But she also doesn't buy from or support Lightlife anymore.
I always appreciate your honesty with these things! My thought on reading some of the comments about people reducing their fish intake tho, is that I pretty much see those people replacing fish with other animal sources unless they're deciding to take a step toward vegetarianism/veganism. I feel myself working my way that direction personally, but my family is still hard against cutting animal products out completely and if they said they'd reduce or remove fish, it would be replaced with chicken or eggs (probably), not plants.
How is it xenophobic to call out other countries for killing animals. It's not worse than us but it is the same and should all be called out. Other countries have different standards often even worse for the environment. Like can someone not call out china for requiring animal testing because the US isnt perfect? Seems like a silly point.
Feeling anxious tonight so came for the calming voice haha. Your videos somehow relax me. Don't know why!
How would you know if it's the closest to tuna if you don't eat tuna?
what blew my mind was when they mentioned how omegas come from algae at the source and the fish doesnt have omegas without the algae. like wow why have we not just been doing that....
Yeh they included that bit just for Miley Cyrus
Maybe I'm just a cynic but I feel like most ppl understand that certifications aren't a guarantee, as most folks have had some experience with the 'getting certified' or 'enforcing/reviewing' part of some kind of certification. I'm in the building industry: building codes are mostly followed most of the time, and inspectors catch most things but not everything.
Most people definitely don’t.
Have you looked at the Rotten series on Netflix?
Its a very interesting point of view you bring up here. I think we should always keep a critical eye on what we watch even documentaries. A few of my friends already said they will stop eating fish so it works ha.
Holy shit... Looking at the comments here, it seems like Seaspiracy really made an amazing impact on the most unlikely people... That is AWESOME tbh
I've always cared about tuna, from the day I learned what they are. I just wish anyone else did
I get where you’re coming from as far as the movie being completely sensational and of course they had an angle with how they went about it but I have to say as a new vegan, the imagery in that documentary was exactly what shocked me into realising I have to change my lifestyle. I can’t bash the movie because it worked, and I’m sure there are meat eaters like myself who’ll think twice because buying fish or any other animal product after watching that. I don’t believe we all need to have the exact same beliefs and morals around why we become vegan at all.
for me, it wasn't really about the super details of the film, I don't always believe all the numbers thrown at me, but I thought what was important was that it shined a light on a lot of issues that were'nt well known for a lot of people. Nothings perfect, and if we had a solution for everything, we wouldn't have these issues, but slavery, over fishing, dumping fish nets in the ocean, fishing credibility not being monitored, sea lice, industrial fishing taking away from local islands, whale/dolphin hunting. For someone thats only been told and shown the damages of plastic pollution, this documentary is insane and I think it did a really good job of just bringing awareness about these topics. I don't think throwing the whole documentary in the trash because it skewed a few details or had a motive to convince people to not eat fish is a reason to dismiss what this film is actually doing, which is awareness on a really important topic.
But the biggest source of plastic pollution is discarded fishing gear. It wouldn't completely fix the problem by ending fishing but there are many reasons to never eat fish.
Do you listen to "the bearded vegans" podcast. They had a long review of seaspiracy and a lot of interesting thoughts. I recommend it.
Hey where did you find it?
I feel that you take the unpopular view out of habit. You don’t want to commend something popular, so you come at it from a position of “I’m gonna debunk this pop crap,” and fill in your blanks from there. I found the filmmakers insufferable, but the information was presented in the way that’s necessary for communicating at a large and international scale.
What are your thoughts on vegetable police saying he is vegan again ?
Fish farming is not really better for the environment than wild fishing, when the feed is soy and crobs, which the rainforests are burning for, just as for the feed of land animals.
German actor and environment activist Hannes Jaenicke made a documentary "Die Gier nach Lachs" (the greed for salmon), in which he reports about the impact fish farms have on the marine eco system and how destructive they are aswell.
Girl you know the exact content I'm looking for
I love this review. It's why I subscribed to you 6 years ago. You always have a very matter of fact point of view. It's nice to hear a consistently balanced opinion. Love your work!
You realise she's an idiot right? Never gets anything right and it's shown in this video how much of a dimwit she is. Go watch Vegan Gaze's critique of this video
There is so much concern about salmon here in Seattle they made an app about the salmon race, if your fish dies somewhere along the way, you lose. It’s weird. I found the movie hard to watch
is this film better than sea the truth? Haven't watch this one yet.
Anyone else think they missed a trick not calling it ConspiraSea?
I thought that first but then I realised It’s a witty pun on paper but a bit more awkward when you have to say “have you seen conspirasea? Its this documentary. It’s spelt with ‘sea’ at the end instead of a y”
Plus it tracks with the Cowspiracy documentary. Kip from that film helped produce this one 🙂👍
@@Benjaminimize The fact people do not realize this is concerning.
@@Benjaminimize very good point!!
It actually didn't make me feel icky. Interesting that thats your main point - on that basis I think like the title of this videos is a bit misleading.
I think it's fair to use the arguments that are most effective to bring about change, even if some of them might not be your personal top reason. But certainly the way you construct your doc should follow a logical path and not flip flop but include ALL the arguments.. compassion, sustainability, pollution, etc
Thanks for the video. Some thoughts from me:-
1. The basic point is well made: if the makers are most concerned about suffering to sentient beings, that should be said upfront, at the beginning, followed by the other justifications like environmental ones, as and where applicable.
2. However, perhaps too much is being made of the makers 'pretending' to begin to learn what they already knew before starting to film, and commencing the project? After all, the story unfolding in a certain way, with the narrator somehow and to some degree identifying with the reader, listener or viewer is an artistic device often used for clarity and to evoke empathy (with the creator's view) in the audience. **I haven't watched Seaspiracy, so I am basing my comment only on this video: possibly the complaint is valid; even if that is so, maybe some tweaking could be done to use that creative device to evoke empathy and clear understanding, while also making clear that actually the makers knew it all beforehand but are unfolding and revealing the 'story' in a certain way.
Can you please do a video about the anti inflammatory diet? Eating whole foods and limiting sugar sounds like good advice but the whole fOoD iS mY mEDicInE thing annoys the fuck outta me
why does it annoy you?
I cant believe you would actually give importance to other things than the actual message the documentary wanted to invoke... 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
She’s gotta be different and quirky 🤪
I think because a large proportion of plastic waste comes from the fishing industry, that's why reducing fish consumption was the focus. Agree maybe it could have looked into general plastic waste. This was one was interesting because it did touch on multiple issues including, ethics and health. I understand where you are coming from, but think all aspects need to be covered to help draw people in, and this was the best way to do it.
There at most a few tiny island nations that have been able to introduce 'sustainable' fishing but creating fish free zones, and restricting numbers, but this would be a blib on the radar so glad they weren't mentioned.
PS. I agree that interview was the most powerful part of the film and a good transition to the ethics (and 'health' aspects which people would also want to know about).
I'm writing a term paper on marine plastics right now, and the general scientific consensus is 80% of marine plastic is land-based, and 20% is from the ocean, so while not eating fish is a great step, it's not feasible for everyone (I'm talking LEDCs, not the west) and also not a complete answer. If we want to tackle ocean plastics, the vast majority of it is coming from packaging, which is the root cause to address. I agree with the rest of what you said, though!
Im from the grind country..🐬
I just found out that the grind was in the movie.. it was just on the news here, something about the man getting death threats after the movie came out...
How do you feel about it? Is it necessary in this day and age or is it unnecessary violence in the name of tradition?
@@Blurggg I don’t think its worse than killing pigs or cows.. it would not be necessary if we all were vegan or vegetarian.. but that’s not the case.. i think the whales at least live a free and happy life, until we kill them. if we did not eat whales, we would just eat more of some other animal.. we try to minimize suffering and there are rules.. usualy animals are killed in slaughterhouses where we don’t have to see the killing.. however this is out in the open, and in water, so the bloody mess is free for anyone to see.... i eat meat and i think it’s good to understand, what has to happen before i can eat meat.
@@halohalo7274 fair response. I agree its definitely no worse than what the rest of the world does behind closed doors. I do think it's unnecessary, but unfortunately 100% of humans will not be vegan anytime soon. Thank you for your point of view.
@@Blurggg thanks for being nice, i think it’s almost rare, to be able to have a polite conversation about it online ❤️
Like nothing else, the doc isnt perfect. However, it spread awareness. And also what she is saying is just dumb. Arguing that stopping the consumption of fish isnt going to help with plastic, its just dumb. Might not be the biggest problem in the oceans, it is however, the best thing we individuals can do. We cant control what other countries do with their garbage, but we can control ehat we eat!
In my opinion, there are people who sacrifice their comfort and risk their lives to make a change in the world and there are other people who sit on the side and criticize. Which one do a better job do you think?
The movie motivated me to look into some of the products that I use that have "no plastic" alternatives. If we continue to support those types of products it will encourage better alternatives to be made, ultimately giving us more options. I found underarm deodorant, dental floss, laundry soap, and dishwasher soap that don't have plastic packaging materials. I'm trying them out now and already onboard with these new products. Even though the movie pointed out that a majority of the plastics are fishing products, I'd rather not contribute to the non-recyclable plastic waste. Since I'm already vegan (via a WFPB diet) I'm not contributing to the fishing industry, but it was still horrifying to see how quickly we have depleted our oceans. You gotta wonder how bad it's going to be in 10 more years.
Hello. Even if i Can see some flaws at what the health, it remains the documentary that turned me vegetarian And after something more than a year later, i became vegan (i had to built gut microbes i Couldnt even digest a sweet potato without stomach pains And having to go to vc like 3 times). Also i happen to believe that most People do not give a fuck about animals(other than dogs, cats Maybe birds on trees MAYBE) So those People do need more reasons to go vegan, thus i believe that those documentaries are doing some Good because yes you Can be vegan for more reasons than Just plain ethical ones. Even if People take this film with a ton of grains of salt they Will have make at least a start. So i believe you were too cruel, critical is Good but you are not a fan And it shows... No Hard fellings you Know you have a ton of love from greece
i wish what the health turned my family vegan lol, but annoyingly they are all medicial professionals and thought it was the worst thing they've ever seen.. and i do agree its cringe, defo not the one i'd recommend to help convert most people for sure
My family arent vegans, but since i am, they eat a bit more plants now too And thats a win In my books. I agree that what the health is not the Best by a Long shot, but its not totally crappy either.(btw i am a biochemist And my father a biologist And the sience In there is not totally Bullshit... Too simplified of Course, And more than biased, but still not tottaly Bull shit....
Side note ofc you Can be healthy In a omnivorse diet but i happen to believe that you Can be healthier the closer you get to plant based (as far as the health argument goes)