OG IEM PRO PLAYER SWITCHES RACE AND INSULTS HIS OLD RACE AS IMBA?! | Is It Imba Or Do I Suck
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“There is not a single lurker that has killed a carrier” - Harstem, i pose the philosophers a great question, if a hydra kills a carrier but then later on morphs into a lurker has the lurker killed a carrier? So it is technically possible? A great question for the philosophers.
Just test it out in game: kill a unit then morph and check if the resulting lurker remais with 1 kill or not
Hydra of Theseus
Comment of the year
The hydra kills the carrier. The lurker, even if made by the same hydra who killed the carrier, did not kill it. So, the hydra killed it, not the lurker.
It's like how your cells are replaced roughly every 7 years.
so *I* didn't kill that man, officer.
Cant believe that Harstem missed that the Zerg is called nerfzerg backwards
Good catch!
I am more surprised that Hamster missed it
This whole game smells like a troll! "grezfren" seems to be Shakti and "Shakti" seems to be a crappy AI.
There is something fishy about this.
Especially considering all the times he talked about trying to read nick names backwards when they don't make sense and they also didn't make sense backwards.
Good catch. He was too busy laying down the burn. I didn't see it either.
“This oracle is going to revelate at least, well…..”
“The oracle is not going to revelate”
made me laugh out loud so hard.
me too, so much fun xD
Revenge is a dish best served 10 years late, on the behalf of an ex-teammate, I guess
Underrated comment!
"I can't remember the last time I saw mass Stalker work."
_...literally did a Stalker only challenge himself for BGSS a few days earlier._
Did not work very well tho :D
The Poopman is to good to be included in statistics
Zest pulls it out occasionally Vs Zerg. But the following points are true:
1. Zest's name is Zest, and he is a mad bastard (and the only Protoss in the top 10).
2. He doesn't stop blinkety blunking all over the place.... he might not even be all-in but its non-stop aggression.
Well, it's called BGSS for a reason
You know, there's a reason it's called BGSS. Beating Grandmaster with STUPID Stuff. This is viewed as an exception xd
“I knew the NA ladder wasn’t to hot” summary of this IMBA forum haha
I'm really new to the series but here I am, already hoping for an "it is imba" claim in a mirror match. Really hope to see this one day.
There were few bio Terrans complaining about Mech Terrans.
There was a PvP in the early days of IODIS. Complaint: Void Rays IMBA!
Void rays are like the worst unit in the game lol
I love how the ling drop at 10:30 dealt more damage than 2 Adepts and 3 Oracles when that is the whole point of that opener.
He should have used Nydus.
"i don't understand how you can be 5.5k mmr without understanding the point of movement in this game"
i do, it's called skytoss
I'm thinking some GMs and Pros are sending in some vids "for the luls" to Harstem.
If this dude was playing pro level years ago, he can't be this bad.
@@enlightendbel na I feel like GMs and Pros are unlikely to play bad games on purpose to send them in with their name attached to it just to troll because they actually have a reputation in Sc2 and in the case of pros, its even a huge part of their career to build on that reputation positively. Obviously they're aware that they played a bad game and that the purpose of the show is to roast them, but I dont think they're playing worse on purpose just to troll.
That facial expression when he moved high templars into lurkers for free 🤣
20:38 Hamster soul already left his body
These Protoss are all so mad about lurkers because their so used to F2 or 1 control group. So all their units are constantly flocking in a giant ball. This works because amove + storm stops most Zerg comps but then they run into lurkers and get ass mad they can’t just walk around with the death ball.
it seems his opponent agrees with his imbalance complaint, his name grezfren is nerf zerg backwards xd
What in the world! Nice
Good catch lmao
haha, nice!
Can we just appreciate how the probe's body still has physics enabled after it has died? 15:16
i initially liked his claims that zerg is too strong in the lategame because i feel the same way, so i hoped that it turns out to be true this time. but then i saw the first 5 minutes of the game and i was like "... oh no"
Too strong early as well. Or... not too strong. Just too easy. It is super easy to play Zerg throughout all phases of the game vs Protoss. You are never struggling and never have to actually "hold out". Super skilled Protoss can of course punish you as a Zerg with mass adepts or superior micro, but between for instance a D1 Zerg and a D1 Protoss, the Zerg is always easier to play.
Delusional toss players
@@Exorx1 both of you are delusional easiest race is Zerg toss and hardest is Terran harstem and all other pros say the same thing.
Just play air toss with void openers, Zerg until at least M3 are shit at queenwalk, ans some even go 2 base muta (vs airtoss lol). I'm like 65% vs zergs. PvP is my only matchup under 50 :p
this whole comment section is delusional protons doesn't even have to micro their units to do damage until they reach masters and even then they do it so little that it's a meme.
I will admit that zero has to the the least to do the basics of the game build units but for a zero army to be even half way viable they have to have better micro and macro than their opponent as well as a better understanding of the game.
Terrain is difficult because it's incredibly difficult to achieve the micro as well and they have to find a way to do damage on the map usually through drops or they have to turtle.
protons playes are just delusional.
This was great to watch, glad to see smoothbrains can get to GM because that means there is hope for me
Only if you play on NA servers.
rest assured, my low MMR fren
whatever it is you think you do better than them
it's almost guaranteed that you don't
I liked this one. You went a little harder given his MMR . I like it, keeps it real, good analysis,
Well deserved IMO. I've been watching a decent amount of pro starcraft recently and the mistakes showcased here would be unforgivable at IEM, for instance. Pros at that level don't move-command their templar into a ball of lurkers in the middle of a fight and lose them all for free, or consistently fail to feedback vipers before they abduct your carriers. That's the kind of stuff that deserves criticism even at the platinum level, no excuse for that nonsense from GM players.
@@sirprize8572 agree
Stupid stuff suggestion: Pylon snaking.
The first pylon you may build wherever, but all subsequent pylons must be adjacent. If your opponent unlinks your pylons, newly built pylons must improve pylon linkage.
*First pylon must start adjacent to his Nexus.
That actually sounds pretty cool
You couldn't take pylons down ramps, so I think maybe "Pylons require power from other pylons after the first" is a similar concept (albeit easier) that would work mechanically.
You can’t build down ramps but you could go with the rule that every pylon snake must start at a nexus so that way you build at your expansions
Ah yes, the Pylon Efficiency and Necessary Infrastructure Safety.
As Narud has already said in map 1 of the Legacy of the Void epilogue: „The swarm is broken“
@@aceterdt2836 i though it was protoss who had the broken tools
@@aceterdt2836 No no, his words were "the swarm is broken" and I find that extremely funny every time I play the mission because I have to imagine Narud sitting in front of a computer filling out an IODIS complaint 🤣
Kerrigan, after holding off the void portal: "The swarm was broken here... git gud artanis lmao"
Zerg should have submitted this
How is this a close game with that toss micro?!
Zerg had bad army composition and was on low economy (partly due to playing lurker).
the macro of zerg was arguably much worse. Its says a ton when a toss is outmacroing you and has almost as many if not more bases then you while straight up trading like dogshit and being 15k down on minerals lost
Eco macro unit comp
I just started playing and always pick the xenomorph aliens. I make the intestines that lets me make the centipede guys and sometimes I use the blood bath. When they keep playing I use the curvy bat or the spider that does the line of spikes. If I get bored I make the umbrella that shoots ants and the wooly mammoth with the tusks or even the python. I'm only winning 95% of my games in the GM section, how do I win 100% so I can get the best ending?
Absolutely adore your comment😂😂😂😂😂❤
Absolutely no chill on this one, not a bad thing at all, I think genuinely that it comes with the territory of the rank. In any game that has mmr there are always people who think they know better than the developers themselves or even more than other players, and it’s never a bad thing to get ego checked. God I love this series
At this point, i just wanna see Harstem's raging butthurt into the faces of some war generals for their stupid army movements. Like
THIS MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE. YOU HAD 5 TANKS AND A WHOLE PLATOON OF INFANTRY, AND YOU JUST THROW THEM INTO THIS F0CKING STREET WITH ZERO VISION. YOU HAVE NO CLUE, WHAT YOUR OPPONENT IS DOING WHATSOEVER. THEY COULD BE HERE, OR HERE, OR ON THIS ROOF, OR ...
*and then some ridiculous, but funny analogy*
I need this so badly lol
And Harstem would be absolutely right!
Props to Hamster for editing in the worker kill popup
11:52 I appreciate the South Park reference.
Thanks for the video, Harstem!
yeeeees
It's intressting that Harstm basicaly gives free coachings with this videos xD
He's a pro content creator. He's not doing this for free lmao
@@RyanvonLutzow Yeah but you can watch the video for free ^^
@@blueqion9488 technically thats not true u dont watch it for free, just watching without extr costs.
@@StoffiePrductions you watch for free he gets money from it sure but my point was that someone who watches all of this videos with the goal in mind to get as good as possible will learn a lot from it without spending money so it kinda is a free coaching for someone who does that.
@@blueqion9488 I gree on free coching stil not "free" to watch his videos. First fo ll u generaate money for him WHILE u "watch" adds, second u py ur internet provider to have acces. So thts why i said techniclly
I like the mothership core in the thumbnail
Your tone aside, this is really a great video full of priceless advice for all levels of play except beginner. Great analysis.
At 1700 game time. Harstem cringes and lets it go. We all saw those templars walk to their doom.
He claims the Lurker has 400 hp and needs 10 storms to die.
Storm deals 80 damage so 400 hp takes 5 storms.
The Lurker has 200 hp and takes 3 storms to die. I think I know why his math doesn't "hold up."
He also claims that spore crawlers are basically free despite the fact that they effectively cost 125(175) minerals (75+50 from drone who gets sacrificed and optionally another 50 minerals for a replacement drone)
“Not only complete crap, it’s at least 10 courics.” Nice South Park reference there. ;)
you got me, the kelvin burn was too good had to sub with bell cheers m8
you can blink into range to hit a lurker, blast it, then out run the spines backwards
Theres no way he actually said: "This is Complete Crap. This is not a small crap you know, this one is freakin 10 courics or something like that"
someone alert the EFSMB in Zurich, they're going to want to know about this
I laughed so hard, was looking for this comment lol
A Zerg player calling Toss imba, then switching to Toss calling Zerg imba is breaking the 4th wall.
Way to go with the Couric SP reference. I laughed so hard about that.
"10 couracs. This is a big crap" Wow that's an old South Park reference. I almost didn't catch it.
how ironically stalker oracle really become a thing in the top pro games now. But wasting 500 gas on sentry is too much and the greedy carrier transition...
8:38 Great moment. You can almost see the Blue Screen of Death in Harstems eyes.
I think he still plays zerg, but offraced or something. No way a GM protoss plays like that.
He switched to Protoss full time at the beginning of 2015 according to aligulac. That gameplay is what it takes to get GM as toss I guess
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It was NA after all...
@@vmgNarra he still was in GM lmfao
18:38 I really like this zerg's setup. Lurkers, spores, queens and the main army. And protoss is still trying to headbutt in to it.
Gosh the roasts this episode were BRTUAL
i wonder what gresfren spelled backwards is..
I want to see Shakti play Serral and then watch how much he says zerg is op.
???? He would lose to Serral and then say "I was right"
@@Ole_Rasmussen That is literally what i just said :/ you think it was sarcasm?
7:33 oh dear I was drinking some water and I almost drowned on land at that
It's interesting to see that GM players often seem to have strayed from the Path of our Lord and Saviour, Immortal/Archon....Like, that is the thing that gets you to Plat in no time, because it ravages Ravagers and eats Roaches and Queens for a snack. It's even kind-of-sort-of decent against lurkers. 'Toss OP? x'D
Sun Tzu once said. Always attack directly into your opponent’s main force while he is in a defensive position.
29:45 ill think the carrier is worse to build than the voidray but yea.
Well you'll think whatever the hell you want lmao
This is hilarious. Bravo Harstem!
Does Shakti know about the Disruptor? Did it exist in 2012? At the end there is nothing else than lurkers and corrupters, 3 Disruptors would've wiped out the lurkers and then all you'd need is stalkers for a free win.
Why is Shakti refusing to build detection in the end? He is fighting lurkers for 15 minutes but doesn't to revelate them? Also didn't get that stalker movement on the left (30:10). All his stalkers are bruised, he has a bunch of batteries infront of his base, but instead of healing up, he immediately attacks again.
Damn, somehow you wreck those higher level players even more, I'd kms if I heard
"Watching you control units is a treat" from harstem in that context lmao
Gold Zerg player wiping cheetos on his shirt: Ha, I'm better than this GM player because I don't complain about balance. Also, I've played 10 games in the last year.
I wish Blizzard will officially change Viper's skill sound to the one, that Kevin used on 1st Lowko video)))
pop!
leaving the zerg's resources bound in the useless corrupters is a game winner. Trying to take them out anywhere but in defense is just stupid.
And trying to take them out with Void rays over entire Spore colony, hell, spore city.
"this is the worst trade I've ever seen with 2 adepts, in my entire life"
"this has to be the worst thing I've seen in my entire life"
Yeah, but you haven't seen *me* play. Shakti needs to get on my level.
funny watching this now... this is just before Hero made the stalker + oracle combo basically the standard and around 9 minutes Harstem is shitting all over this style lol
Wait what happened to the drawings on the form? I miss those...
I really liked the professional respect about Showtime: "I don't agree with him on everything, but when he does something, I trust that he has a reason for it". That's pure respect.
Loved this! from Brazil :)
Kelvin levels of micro LELELEL
I love Harstem's analysis and commentary he has such deep knowledge of SC2 while I am stuck in Platinum at best haha and I have been occasionally playing the game since it came out. Also, I think Shakti does not play on Grandmaster level, not sure why he is in that league, maybe because NA server?
Kelvin levels of micro. Sick burn
10 courics hahhahahahaha Im falling off my chair I hope some guys get the reference
10 courics = 1 brandon? Or, ... and it's gone
Harstem is so savage I'm burnt and I don't even play Starcraft
Listening to "blink is bad" rant when Hero literally just smashes every single zerg on this planet by going 3 oracle into mass expo blink stalker is quite funny. This rant aged like milk.
Obviously this player is nowhere close Hero, but still
That's,...one hell of a big cam.
PartinG loves stalker sentry in pvz but he also gets collosus too.
''the lurker also out of all the units that the zerg can build I think is genuinely one of the worst units''
I don't know if I agree with that, they have a decent health pool similar to a tank, and do fairly large amounts of damage, though it is easily dodged damage, especially by stim marines. its not a perfect unit, but deals damage similar to that of a hellion, crossed with the mechanics of a siege tank, its not a great unit, but against a lot of things it can be fairly decent. A strange example being banelings, since they do enough damage to kill them far enough away to not take splash damage from the baneling radius, and simultaneously kills all the banelings in the blob, since banelings move with whats known as a ''herd node'' which naturally groups them up into balls, similar to other units that use herd nodes like marines and zerglings, lurkers also have enough health to tank a few hits from banelings. The catch being banelings can attack lurkers when burrowed regardless of detection by simply hitting X or spam move commanding to their location.
Lurkers also seem to slaughter small groups of zealots pretty hard, which is unlike hellions or siege tanks, when surrounded, Lurkers tend to attack towards each other, which gives them the very strange ability to defend each other with splash damage, completely opposite of siege tanks, which is most commonly seen when siege tanks kill one zergling and sacrifice three other siege tanks to do it. This is because lurkers have a weapon that creates eight small search zones in a line which apply the 30 +15 damage in each search area, which has had friendly fire turned off, by removing allied units from the search parameters. So in actuality, the amount of damage a lurker can do per attack is not 30+15, but is infact eight times that, or 240 + 120 (360). Which is pretty good but can still be increased further with upgrades, For example with the range upgrade two additional search zones are added, increasing the damage even further, and, since each ranged upgrade effects each search zone damage by 2, the zerg ranged damage upgrades actually increase the lurkers damage by 16, or 20 with the range upgrade, since there are 8 or 10 search zones. With all the relevant damage and range upgrades they can deal up to 510 damage splashing many units every 1.43 seconds. This is assuming there is only one unit in each search area, if there is more then one unit in each search area then you can easily turn that 510 into even more. Admittedly it is spread across many units but its still a massive amount of damage. Lurkers in the hands of AI can be pretty nutty, and in this match I thought the zerg player grezfen did a fantastic job. Still a fascinating analysis as always.
28:32 Object permanence disorder strikes again 😂
Lots of people like stalkers... can tank a couple shots shoot a couple times then blink away. He really needs some zealot run byes at some point in the game
You're a content MACHINE!
Trolled IMHO
I get what he's saying by watching tons of pro games per day. It's the combo of Corruptor = low cost supply + Spore Crawler field = zero supply + Viper throw in 1 or 2 infestors and it destroys skytoss every single time I've seen it.
Robert do you really think you're the only one here who's seen pro games? Harstem IS a pro gamer. He's PLAYED more games than you've ever even SEEN. I do also watch a ton of pro SC2, and what you're saying is true on a very general level, so I'm not sitting here disagreeing, but I think Harstem is very well aware of what's good in SC2 and what's not.
@@RyanvonLutzow Do you really think my statement was implying anything you said? Seriously?
doesn't have detection, proceed to complain about lurker
Complaining about skytoss vs zerg to Harstem... this guy either doesn't watch this channel or didn't think this through.
You sound exhausted and in pain here...
funny hearing about how bad the 9 gate blink stalker is vs zerg after seeing herO vs soO the other day ^^
obviously quite different early game but still D:
I think you were a little hard on him ~ Hope he still plays Sc2 without having you in mind roasting him till the end of his days.
But you've got your points. Him being GM and have had played professionally maybe justifies your roast.
Shakti, hope you are not 2 stuck on your patterns & work on your brain plasticity - Harstems Tipps are gold, even when biased by your win against his partner back in the days.
Best regards.
A gold player.
It is funny to see, how GMs sometime not that better than people around diamond :D
Let’s hear that guitar harstem! Play us a song! About suck!
I actually remember a tutorial of a harstem build of blink stalkers against zerg (He lost but it was to Serral) It was a close game
ahahahaha a grandmaster opened his game like this ..gold league like me straight going into skytoss build without wasting any gas for upgrade tech that is not relevant to skytoss army XD
Dear Harstem
If you want honor
Play Terran and only Terran
The most honorable thing you can do
Fair gameplay, requires the most skill and no imba units
I think Terran macro is the hardest of the three races, but Terran units can be so cost effective it's kind of game breaking xD
Probably the harshest response to am IODIS I've seen so far from Harstem which I appreciate because this dude is grandmaster but looks like how I try to play late game in Diamond and get crushed by lurker, corruptor, broodlord.
It could practically be my own replay (minus sentries or stalkers) but what's crazy is this guy is in Grandmaster... I do think late game zerg is a little op vs protoss in low elo
You can use lurker just fine but with orange cloud and it’s probably better offensively strangely enough
9:57 "thrrreee"
Mommy ship tactics :D
revenge, served 10 years later
Seeing this Protoss is GM makes me say that Protoss really needs a redesign, the level of play of the Protoss player is at most master 2, the early game micro, and the decision-making is really bad IMO. So how can this guy be that high in MMR and no Protoss can make even the Quarter Finals of Katowice? Protoss is just too easy, but you don't have the tools to micro like a Terran or macro like a Zerg because your units are self-sufficient, which means against below top 50GM Protoss(there is 50% Protoss in GM EU) is the best race in the game and the Worst when you are at the top 8 worlds. I don't think Shakti is an isolated example and just that Protoss is a too easy race for the good of the top Protosses, for the rest that is complaining, stop it, you're just bad.
damn man, HARSHtem up in here
Lurkers are broken. And you even said it.
He said that they are bad.
25:00 I think he just wanted to kill the one harassing lurker.
is APM calculated different than back in the day in starcraft:broodwar ? those apm seem so high, for a long game that is
grezfren = nerf zerg
That IS some unbalanced wisdom up here
Im from zürich
And i must correct this is atleast 12 curix
This game notwithstanding, any Zerg who wants to beat me just needs lurkers. Awful things.
spores cost 0 supply. it the only movement defence that cost supply beside spine which is also zerg so i dont know why he had to mention that.
Zerg has the most efficient trades.
Wait. What?
That got me too, lol. Zerglings are literally meant to be cannon fodder, and the whole Zerg concept is to be able to lose a swarm and rebuild quickly to overwhelm with numbers. Once they get casters out they might, though. Still think that award goes to Terran, with their marines and siege tanks.
How do you stop the Zerg from just walking into your bases if you poke the far side initiating a base trade?
The zerg army can't fight without spores, cannons and shieldbatteries are good and there's recall.
@@henningbreede6428 Yeah, protoss is kind of the only race that is able to instantly relocate their army, and should therefore not be allowed to complain about being forced to base trade lmao
Shakti is trolling you. He played dumb on purpose. No way he is master playing like that.
His response to having 3 carriers abducted was to storm them :)
His ressource spending and build order puts this as solid high master at least, just look at all the diamond league IODIS, they can't even do a build order.
also my idea since the name of the zerg was "Nerfzerg" backwards, prolly a friend of shakti and he threw on purpose with micro like a potatoe
@@alpha-cf2oi Is very much implied by your observation I agree.
Omg finally an iodis above gold 3 nice