OG IEM PRO PLAYER SWITCHES RACE AND INSULTS HIS OLD RACE AS IMBA?! | Is It Imba Or Do I Suck
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“There is not a single lurker that has killed a carrier” - Harstem, i pose the philosophers a great question, if a hydra kills a carrier but then later on morphs into a lurker has the lurker killed a carrier? So it is technically possible? A great question for the philosophers.
Just test it out in game: kill a unit then morph and check if the resulting lurker remais with 1 kill or not
Hydra of Theseus
Comment of the year
The hydra kills the carrier. The lurker, even if made by the same hydra who killed the carrier, did not kill it. So, the hydra killed it, not the lurker.
It's like how your cells are replaced roughly every 7 years.
so *I* didn't kill that man, officer.
Cant believe that Harstem missed that the Zerg is called nerfzerg backwards
Good catch!
I am more surprised that Hamster missed it
This whole game smells like a troll! "grezfren" seems to be Shakti and "Shakti" seems to be a crappy AI.
There is something fishy about this.
Especially considering all the times he talked about trying to read nick names backwards when they don't make sense and they also didn't make sense backwards.
Good catch. He was too busy laying down the burn. I didn't see it either.
Revenge is a dish best served 10 years late, on the behalf of an ex-teammate, I guess
Underrated comment!
"I can't remember the last time I saw mass Stalker work."
_...literally did a Stalker only challenge himself for BGSS a few days earlier._
Did not work very well tho :D
The Poopman is to good to be included in statistics
Zest pulls it out occasionally Vs Zerg. But the following points are true:
1. Zest's name is Zest, and he is a mad bastard (and the only Protoss in the top 10).
2. He doesn't stop blinkety blunking all over the place.... he might not even be all-in but its non-stop aggression.
Well, it's called BGSS for a reason
You know, there's a reason it's called BGSS. Beating Grandmaster with STUPID Stuff. This is viewed as an exception xd
I love how the ling drop at 10:30 dealt more damage than 2 Adepts and 3 Oracles when that is the whole point of that opener.
He should have used Nydus.
"i don't understand how you can be 5.5k mmr without understanding the point of movement in this game"
i do, it's called skytoss
I'm thinking some GMs and Pros are sending in some vids "for the luls" to Harstem.
If this dude was playing pro level years ago, he can't be this bad.
@@enlightendbel na I feel like GMs and Pros are unlikely to play bad games on purpose to send them in with their name attached to it just to troll because they actually have a reputation in Sc2 and in the case of pros, its even a huge part of their career to build on that reputation positively. Obviously they're aware that they played a bad game and that the purpose of the show is to roast them, but I dont think they're playing worse on purpose just to troll.
“I knew the NA ladder wasn’t to hot” summary of this IMBA forum haha
it seems his opponent agrees with his imbalance complaint, his name grezfren is nerf zerg backwards xd
What in the world! Nice
Good catch lmao
haha, nice!
Can we just appreciate how the probe's body still has physics enabled after it has died? 15:16
i initially liked his claims that zerg is too strong in the lategame because i feel the same way, so i hoped that it turns out to be true this time. but then i saw the first 5 minutes of the game and i was like "... oh no"
Too strong early as well. Or... not too strong. Just too easy. It is super easy to play Zerg throughout all phases of the game vs Protoss. You are never struggling and never have to actually "hold out". Super skilled Protoss can of course punish you as a Zerg with mass adepts or superior micro, but between for instance a D1 Zerg and a D1 Protoss, the Zerg is always easier to play.
Delusional toss players
@@Exorx1 both of you are delusional easiest race is Zerg toss and hardest is Terran harstem and all other pros say the same thing.
Just play air toss with void openers, Zerg until at least M3 are shit at queenwalk, ans some even go 2 base muta (vs airtoss lol). I'm like 65% vs zergs. PvP is my only matchup under 50 :p
this whole comment section is delusional protons doesn't even have to micro their units to do damage until they reach masters and even then they do it so little that it's a meme.
I will admit that zero has to the the least to do the basics of the game build units but for a zero army to be even half way viable they have to have better micro and macro than their opponent as well as a better understanding of the game.
Terrain is difficult because it's incredibly difficult to achieve the micro as well and they have to find a way to do damage on the map usually through drops or they have to turtle.
protons playes are just delusional.
“This oracle is going to revelate at least, well…..”
“The oracle is not going to revelate”
made me laugh out loud so hard.
me too, so much fun xD
This was great to watch, glad to see smoothbrains can get to GM because that means there is hope for me
Only if you play on NA servers.
rest assured, my low MMR fren
whatever it is you think you do better than them
it's almost guaranteed that you don't
I liked this one. You went a little harder given his MMR . I like it, keeps it real, good analysis,
Well deserved IMO. I've been watching a decent amount of pro starcraft recently and the mistakes showcased here would be unforgivable at IEM, for instance. Pros at that level don't move-command their templar into a ball of lurkers in the middle of a fight and lose them all for free, or consistently fail to feedback vipers before they abduct your carriers. That's the kind of stuff that deserves criticism even at the platinum level, no excuse for that nonsense from GM players.
@@sirprize8572 agree
Props to Hamster for editing in the worker kill popup
I just started playing and always pick the xenomorph aliens. I make the intestines that lets me make the centipede guys and sometimes I use the blood bath. When they keep playing I use the curvy bat or the spider that does the line of spikes. If I get bored I make the umbrella that shoots ants and the wooly mammoth with the tusks or even the python. I'm only winning 95% of my games in the GM section, how do I win 100% so I can get the best ending?
Absolutely adore your comment😂😂😂😂😂❤
Absolutely no chill on this one, not a bad thing at all, I think genuinely that it comes with the territory of the rank. In any game that has mmr there are always people who think they know better than the developers themselves or even more than other players, and it’s never a bad thing to get ego checked. God I love this series
I like the mothership core in the thumbnail
At this point, i just wanna see Harstem's raging butthurt into the faces of some war generals for their stupid army movements. Like
THIS MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE. YOU HAD 5 TANKS AND A WHOLE PLATOON OF INFANTRY, AND YOU JUST THROW THEM INTO THIS F0CKING STREET WITH ZERO VISION. YOU HAVE NO CLUE, WHAT YOUR OPPONENT IS DOING WHATSOEVER. THEY COULD BE HERE, OR HERE, OR ON THIS ROOF, OR ...
*and then some ridiculous, but funny analogy*
I need this so badly lol
And Harstem would be absolutely right!
He claims the Lurker has 400 hp and needs 10 storms to die.
Storm deals 80 damage so 400 hp takes 5 storms.
The Lurker has 200 hp and takes 3 storms to die. I think I know why his math doesn't "hold up."
He also claims that spore crawlers are basically free despite the fact that they effectively cost 125(175) minerals (75+50 from drone who gets sacrificed and optionally another 50 minerals for a replacement drone)
At 1700 game time. Harstem cringes and lets it go. We all saw those templars walk to their doom.
Theres no way he actually said: "This is Complete Crap. This is not a small crap you know, this one is freakin 10 courics or something like that"
someone alert the EFSMB in Zurich, they're going to want to know about this
I laughed so hard, was looking for this comment lol
i wonder what gresfren spelled backwards is..
Gosh the roasts this episode were BRTUAL
you can blink into range to hit a lurker, blast it, then out run the spines backwards
you got me, the kelvin burn was too good had to sub with bell cheers m8
8:38 Great moment. You can almost see the Blue Screen of Death in Harstems eyes.
Sun Tzu once said. Always attack directly into your opponent’s main force while he is in a defensive position.
7:33 oh dear I was drinking some water and I almost drowned on land at that
This is hilarious. Bravo Harstem!
Wait what happened to the drawings on the form? I miss those...
I think he still plays zerg, but offraced or something. No way a GM protoss plays like that.
He switched to Protoss full time at the beginning of 2015 according to aligulac. That gameplay is what it takes to get GM as toss I guess
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It was NA after all...
@@vmgNarra he still was in GM lmfao
I wish Blizzard will officially change Viper's skill sound to the one, that Kevin used on 1st Lowko video)))
pop!
It's interesting to see that GM players often seem to have strayed from the Path of our Lord and Saviour, Immortal/Archon....Like, that is the thing that gets you to Plat in no time, because it ravages Ravagers and eats Roaches and Queens for a snack. It's even kind-of-sort-of decent against lurkers. 'Toss OP? x'D
Damn, somehow you wreck those higher level players even more, I'd kms if I heard
"Watching you control units is a treat" from harstem in that context lmao
I really liked the professional respect about Showtime: "I don't agree with him on everything, but when he does something, I trust that he has a reason for it". That's pure respect.
Loved this! from Brazil :)
You're a content MACHINE!
Gold Zerg player wiping cheetos on his shirt: Ha, I'm better than this GM player because I don't complain about balance. Also, I've played 10 games in the last year.
Why is Shakti refusing to build detection in the end? He is fighting lurkers for 15 minutes but doesn't to revelate them? Also didn't get that stalker movement on the left (30:10). All his stalkers are bruised, he has a bunch of batteries infront of his base, but instead of healing up, he immediately attacks again.
Kelvin levels of micro LELELEL
Harstem is so savage I'm burnt and I don't even play Starcraft
Trolled IMHO
doesn't have detection, proceed to complain about lurker
10 courics hahhahahahaha Im falling off my chair I hope some guys get the reference
10 courics = 1 brandon? Or, ... and it's gone
I get what he's saying by watching tons of pro games per day. It's the combo of Corruptor = low cost supply + Spore Crawler field = zero supply + Viper throw in 1 or 2 infestors and it destroys skytoss every single time I've seen it.
Robert do you really think you're the only one here who's seen pro games? Harstem IS a pro gamer. He's PLAYED more games than you've ever even SEEN. I do also watch a ton of pro SC2, and what you're saying is true on a very general level, so I'm not sitting here disagreeing, but I think Harstem is very well aware of what's good in SC2 and what's not.
@@RyanvonLutzow Do you really think my statement was implying anything you said? Seriously?
revenge, served 10 years later
9:57 "thrrreee"
PartinG loves stalker sentry in pvz but he also gets collosus too.
"Kelvin levels of micro" was a solid burn
"so far below zero"
28:32 Object permanence disorder strikes again 😂
25:00 I think he just wanted to kill the one harassing lurker.
You sound exhausted and in pain here...
I love Harstem's analysis and commentary he has such deep knowledge of SC2 while I am stuck in Platinum at best haha and I have been occasionally playing the game since it came out. Also, I think Shakti does not play on Grandmaster level, not sure why he is in that league, maybe because NA server?
grezfren = nerf zerg
That IS some unbalanced wisdom up here
Just a pure air army would be an easy attack move... half of the zerg supply is locked in lurkers. After that constantly walking on lurkers without detection is painful.
That is just false, a pure air army loses to spores and parabomb even with a supply advantage. What you're saying is only true in low mmr.
@@henningbreede6428 Are we commentating this replay or what? :)
Shakti is trolling you. He played dumb on purpose. No way he is master playing like that.
His response to having 3 carriers abducted was to storm them :)
His ressource spending and build order puts this as solid high master at least, just look at all the diamond league IODIS, they can't even do a build order.
also my idea since the name of the zerg was "Nerfzerg" backwards, prolly a friend of shakti and he threw on purpose with micro like a potatoe
@@alpha-cf2oi Is very much implied by your observation I agree.
It is funny to see, how GMs sometime not that better than people around diamond :D
Im from zürich
And i must correct this is atleast 12 curix
I actually remember a tutorial of a harstem build of blink stalkers against zerg (He lost but it was to Serral) It was a close game
funny hearing about how bad the 9 gate blink stalker is vs zerg after seeing herO vs soO the other day ^^
obviously quite different early game but still D:
ahahahaha a grandmaster opened his game like this ..gold league like me straight going into skytoss build without wasting any gas for upgrade tech that is not relevant to skytoss army XD
Probably the harshest response to am IODIS I've seen so far from Harstem which I appreciate because this dude is grandmaster but looks like how I try to play late game in Diamond and get crushed by lurker, corruptor, broodlord.
It could practically be my own replay (minus sentries or stalkers) but what's crazy is this guy is in Grandmaster... I do think late game zerg is a little op vs protoss in low elo
How do you stop the Zerg from just walking into your bases if you poke the far side initiating a base trade?
The zerg army can't fight without spores, cannons and shieldbatteries are good and there's recall.
@@henningbreede6428 Yeah, protoss is kind of the only race that is able to instantly relocate their army, and should therefore not be allowed to complain about being forced to base trade lmao
damn man, HARSHtem up in here
14:00 says the guy who literally shift-clicks his zealots on the mini map for a run-by and never looks at them 😛
This game notwithstanding, any Zerg who wants to beat me just needs lurkers. Awful things.
2 points to the oracle pirruette.
oooh yeeeaaahh
Seeing this Protoss is GM makes me say that Protoss really needs a redesign, the level of play of the Protoss player is at most master 2, the early game micro, and the decision-making is really bad IMO. So how can this guy be that high in MMR and no Protoss can make even the Quarter Finals of Katowice? Protoss is just too easy, but you don't have the tools to micro like a Terran or macro like a Zerg because your units are self-sufficient, which means against below top 50GM Protoss(there is 50% Protoss in GM EU) is the best race in the game and the Worst when you are at the top 8 worlds. I don't think Shakti is an isolated example and just that Protoss is a too easy race for the good of the top Protosses, for the rest that is complaining, stop it, you're just bad.
Can we PLEASE have a blindfolded game! It's not even putting money where your mouth is, I'm pretty sure you have the muscle memory for it.
I miss the mothership core
I do have a collection of mothership corpse. When I offrace as Protoss.
"this is kelvin levels it's so far below zero"-Harstem
Me confused because the Kelvin scale has no negatives.
captain did not go to engineering school
@@TehZelluh what he meant by that comment is that Kelvin has 273 numbers below 0 degrees celcius
@@TehZelluh no one in Europe uses Kelvin...
@@СергейТихонов-в7р no one in the world uses kelvin for temperature. It’s a scientific tool for calculations.
@@TehZelluh ohh, my bad... I messed up... Thought about Fahrenheit...
That's how Zerg players control their units lmao
Average IQ is actually double digits
The toss player plays very well. I m'a agree with you. But you are very hard with him. You should preciez that he still a very good player..
It is top 200 of his server
Wow.
Mass stalker + sentry only works if you are PartinG or one of the top tier toss that knows the ins and out of stalker. Even PartinG knows mass stalker + sentry alone is garbage which is why he always include one or two more support units like the immortal and/Colossus.
Alpha Star (AI) proved that blink stalker just wins if you have 10,000 EPM even if your opponent is as fast. But mere mortal, even PartinG knows that stalkers are glass not quite cannons with movement.
.. Harstem what is wrong with you? clearly he is playing the opening first 5-8 minutes perfectly.... He is only losing all these units because Zerg is super op... get with the program my man!
Against zergs you cant be offensive you should play defensive and just do some little dmg in the whole game beacuse zerg can produce units faster if it has better economy
IT's ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@
Not even a small crap :)
UNPLAYABLE!
This video is the fcking proof that Protoss is the easy mode for reaching GM lmao.
If I would play Terran like this, 5k MMR would be a far away dream, let alone 5.5K
Having a tight build order and that level of ressource spending gets you to 5k, remember that he talks about high level concepts like unit movement and micro, while you struggle with basics like build order and spending, which is why you're not even 5k.
@@henningbreede6428 Lmao "high level concepts like unit movement and micro"
Do you even listen to yourself? The comment I made should already have suggested that I am 5K MMR, and even above that (+ on EU, not on shitty NA)
I do not struggle with basic build orders, I got those down in WoL, and I only struggle with spending my ressources while fighting on 3 fronts with 220 APM against runbys, drops, warp ins, multiprong harrass, while attacking myself. Yes i struggle with that, because I am not a pro, but this protoss in this video played like absolute dogshit. I play against stronger opponents on 5k MMR EU Ladder.
Either he was drunk, or didnt play for 1 month, he achieved this rank somehow, but how he watched this replay and send this in instead of being ashamed of it is fcking beyond me. He literally throws units away for free, spends money on wayyyy too much infrastructure, and is just lucky he didnt die in the first 12 minutes of the game. The fact that he even managed to make it this long and pull ahead after fcking up early game THIS bad, would only proof that protoss is OP on not pro level if anything. While 1 lurker is shredding his probes on bottom right corner, while NOTHING is happening, he doesnt react for like 30 seconds.
How are you talking this much bullshit in so few words is mind boggling, what even is your rank? Are you proud that you reached diamond? Do you think diamond is good? Holy fuck, I am scratching at the border to grandmaster and I know that I am completely fcking dogshit in this game. But you come here and think unit movement is a "high level concept" L fcking MAO.
@@Pixelbuddha_ Well I clearly hurt your very vulnerable ego. If you wouldn't have any trouble with spending your ressources you would not be only 5k mmr, I bet you don't even watch your replays or only focus on your opponent to make a stupid claim like that.
Yes, the protoss did play bad, but it wasn't 'protoss' that got him back into the game, but the fact that he had a very strong economy with the zerg having 30 useless supply in corruptor and then overtaking his opponents economy. That is really not hard to grasp and the game really demonstrated just how bad lurker are in ZvP lategame.
Unit movement is a high level concept, I talked with pro players about it before this IODIS even. How about you upload a game you lost and demonstrate that you have perfect macro and unit movement then. You won't do it of course as your fragile ego won't allow you to be proven wrong.
@@henningbreede6428 well he clearly stated he plays terran in the first comment so the hissy fit wasn't unexpected
@@henningbreede6428 not only are you warping the words in my mouth, you are only trying to attack me personally. Why would I have my ego hurt by a random Internet warrior who clearly doesnt even know what he is talking about. First of all i never claimed to have perfect macro. Nobody has. It is impossible. But executing a good build order for the first 6-7 minutes isnt hard with practice.
Second: i do not have to Prove shit, while you are claiming youre very close with the pros you can just look up my mmr online. Why dont you go ahead and proof youre so incredibly insightful?
Last but not least: 30 useless supply in corruptor? Ahead economically?
Yeah well you just showed me you didnt even read what I wrote as I was mostly talking about how he completely fucked up his early game, should have died then and there but manages to bullshit his way through. Even harstem said that.
Either you really are THIS stupid or a troll or a raging protoss, and in any of those cases I have absolutely no interested in further conversation with you.
Zerg is slightly OP. It's also harder to play.
this. I always feel like zerg has the best tools im the game but when I see my opponent APM I kinda accept that
@@thewired4607 Well zergs get usually around 100+ apm whenever they play due to how their macro works. I usually have an apm of 200, but when I play zerg that goes up to 300.
Whats more is that apm is not everything. Seriously, I have a higher winrate against people with 400+ apm than against people with apm below that, because whenever someone has 400+ apm it is always because they are idiots who think high apm is a good thing, and when I watch the replays all they're doing is spamming between their production structures not ever doing anything, not even building units out of them when they're not producing. APM is not something to think about or consider at all, it's just something that comes along with your play.
@@You-ul8qw yeah I get it, I just wished blizz would stop matching me vs platinum players when I'm struggling to leave gold 3
@@thewired4607 haha yeah I getcha, sometimes I get matched vs GM players when I'm in either masters 2 or 3
Actually Protoss is massively OP in GM / pro level according to balance stats. The only exception is the global top 10 where Protoss sucks, but balance is measured from more than the top 10.
Zerg has a higher skill ceiling which means the very best / top 5 Zergs in the world rarely struggle against Protoss.
maybe he was trying to break meta well he gets my respect as meta is boring but still
Repeatedly throws, still nearly wins, then balance whines. It's gotta be a joke right?
I dont understand Harstem really seriously. Forget this guy. The protesses in Iem katowice got RAPED. Nearly and literally. They werent even close to win something. I do not see any protoss in the world anyone can win a tourney if there is a serral , rogue , reynor , solar if they are in tournament. Last words. Who is best zerg in the world Serral . and who is best protoss lets say Zest. is it possible to Serral lose lambo , bunny or similar level players that zest lost?
I find it funny how you can edit your comment and still demonstrate zero understanding of punctuation and sentence structure.
Now I feel like they should nerft protoss and buff lurkers to 400hp 80 damage lol
protoss is imba /s
Holy shit even after all that, Protoss was able to push with massive amounts of instant stalkers. I get stalkers are not very good units in late game but Zerg took way too much damage thanks to that even after completely winning against airtoss. Harstem almost declared Protoss op and imbalanced there you can see the thought going through his mind at one point.
How is this GM level? The micro was atrocious.
Starcraft II is extremely imbalanced. They should remove lurkers.. and vipers.. and ravagers roaches lings ultras.. but also carriers, voidrays, zealots, tanks, firebats, marines.. In fact, the only way to balance the game properly is to remove everything but workers and nerf drones, probes and scvs, because they mine too much right now and that is imba af.
to be fair: even sc2 help menu itself says that void rays are good against corruptors.... they should update that maybe
But not 4 voidrays against 16 corruptors lol
@@segajukebox yeah but i think even 16 voidrays would lose against 16 corruptors
@@lurchgurk7824 they would not because corruptor is an armored unit.
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to painful to watch
how do even grandmasters play so badly? wowww
Look at the lower level IODIS, where the problems are almost always basics like ressource spending and build order. That Harstem doesn't even talk about shows that it's at least high master.
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Another single digit IQ Protoss player! The Zerg didn't even build Roach to counter Stalker. What the fuck am I watching?
What the fuck is that nonsensical comment, roaches don't counter stalker. Are you insulting people because they disagree with your gold league analysis?
You can always count on the Brazilian players to be the most nonsensical, tilted gamers around.
grezfren nerfzerg? Did Harstem get trolled?