Not only the information is beautifully and easily presented with fantastic graphs, but you also provide some of the best b-roll visuals ever. Those processor shots are stunning 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks. Our intent is to show the maximum amount of information in a limited time but I'm always worried about adding too much and that causing the content to become less digestible. I'm happy we seem to have struck a good balance with this.
I have one too but, I was thinking of upgrading due to playing competitive shooters and mainly for tarkov lol. Tarkov is way too vcache/ram heavy. I wouldnt upgrade if I mainly played single player games but, I do play a lot of competitive shooters that are really cpu bound and never max out my 4090 so.
So here's the thing....Flight Simulator isn't CPU intensive. We're talking 5-10% at most. What it DOES do is seriously tax a single core since its engine doesn't seem to be multi-core aware. Hopefully the new version will change that.
@@HardwareCanucks still CPU intensive in my book, since it makes CPU perform to it's limit. In this particular case this is a single threaded/single core limit. Which is still a common limiting factor even today, since usually even decently threaded games will not be able to load all cores equally. Which results in a single or two cores hitting 100% and thus becoming a bottleneck, while rest stays at like 75--80%. But you already know that.
Great video and tons of information, I thank you for the hard work you put into this. Sounds like the 9800X3D is a jack of trades but a master to gaming chip. Hope you feel better soon.
Great conclusion! And thanks for including both 5700X3D and 5800X3D because I waited too long and now the former is really the only option that makes sense. Good to know it's only around 8% slower in games.
Current 5800X3D owner. I know I'm purchasing the 9800X3D first thing Thursday morning as I already purchased a X870P MB and 64GB 6400MT/s RAM. Not a bad upgrade for less than $1,000 coming from AM4. Probably upgrade to 8300MT/s RAM If it's beneficial.
I get testing 720p to show the performance difference, but nobody uses that. It's like showing how the 4090 runs at in 8K. It's like cool, but useless data. I would be much more interested in seeing 1440p data when it comes to CPU testing. Then you could see if the upgrade matters at all, for which games it matters, or if it's better to stay with something cheaper.
Really good to see bump in Ghz, lower TDP/Temp and overall gain, though not substantial compared to 78--X3D, but still overall good package.. Will upgrade next year from my current 7700X running with 32GB/6400 CL32 along with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro & nVidia 3800Ti (hopefully will have budget to upgrade GPU as well).
Based on the results im seeing from multiple reviewers from the 9800X3D, im very excited to see what the 9950X3D can do, hopefully it blows the doors off of everything.
Imagine a 12 core, single CCD, X3D chip Then imagine Turbo mode on that (SMT OFF) You'll have 12 cores (and 12T) that are super powerful, while still having respectable multi threaded performance
Mike, they all came to your video for 4K testing for some reason. Don't let them get to you, I play most games at 200p. Sure, they're DOS, but it's what it takes for that smooth 24 fps.
Who will play on 720p today with that piece of hardware? 720p tests are useless for years and i can't understand why reviewers continue to include them in testings?!?!?! Considering what kind of monitors are used for gaming this days!
Imagine complaining about the res of the benchmarks. Lmao 😂 lower res is better to show the full potential of the cpu. When gpus get stronger it will show the cpu being able to provide more performance
This new turbo mode looks promising. But will the results change if you have a bunch of browser tabs open along with Discord, spotify and other such apps? (Apps that people keep open while playing games)
We've been looking to remove some titles and add others. However, I want to wait until 2025 to do that since there are some in-game security updates (which will require VBS enablement) and engine changes that might impact our choices.
I have never purchased an amd cpu before, but Intel has really stopped the ball over the last few years so I think when the 5090 comes out I’ll be picking this up also.
Keeping my RAM and CPU cooler last year in February and going for a 5800X3D and B550 board seems to have been a VERY good decision (a friend bought my B450 board together with my 3700X). Especially considering I am gaming in 4K. Still the performance of the 9800X3D is outstanding. Also thank you for the well done and well made test! I've been following you guys since years now and I'm sure I'm not the only person from Germany here enjoying your content. Keep it up!
Great review, thank you very much! I heard your warning about the turbo flag being enabled and how it regresses the FPS while playing Starfield. You have wasted your time even testing that game, imo. If somebody buys this CPU to play Starfield, then that person has a whole different set of psychological problems that need to be addressed first before they worry about FPS regressions.
Great video, but I don't understand why 720p is relevant. Since 1080p is the most common resolution, that should serve as the base. This can then be compared with 1440p. Or am I missing something here?
@HardwareCanucks We would like to know if 9800x3d makes sense for resolutions higher than 1080p. Is my money better spent on 9700x if I use 1440p monitor?
@@anatolpiotrowski9728 valid point, I game at 4k cos I mostly play open world rpg type stuff and like my visuals, but I'm still curious what cpu upgrade is most worthwhile to me, especially as my 10600K is due for replacement after Christmas....I understand why 1080p is used predominantly, but just a brief bit of 4k comparison would be much appreciated
Nvidia is taking the high end GPU throne, while AMD is taking the high end gaming CPU throne. I suppose Intel is still good at productivity and budget CPUs. The hardware prices overall though...
New x870e board + 64g ddr already here, 9800x3d will be bought tomorrow. Finally my 4090 Strix can stretch its legs (and my 5800x3d goes into another rig). And now waiting for 5090...will be an awesome combo.
13:08 not only silicon lottery. AMD isn't just binning these chips heavily, I suspect very much, that the v cash is making them more efficient, and therefore you have benefits from that too
I think the 9800X3D will be the "sweet spot" for gamers for price vs performance. Remember, the dual CCD designs still have some hiccups in consistency from one game to another, to the point where the 9700X / 9600X can match or beat them overall.
@Dr.WhetFarts hence why with cache changes I'd hoped they'd ironed that out but I suppose they have no reason to make something new until there is a reason to try instead of slapping new # on the box.
I'm between the 5950x and the 5800x3D 😭 to pair with a rx 6800 xt (am4) I'm a gamer, but I want to edit, code, encode and much more... I know, one is better for gaming and the other for the rest... Should I get another cpu? Help, anyone... 😢
if you already have good am4 mobo,go with 5900x,5950x is to expensive for 2020 cpu,5900x you can encode edit and decent gaming experience,better than 5800x3d for multitasking,just give it at least 32gig and good nvme
720p results are purely academic. No one will ever play at that res realistically. But I’m glad it uses just a little more power than my 5800x3d. I hope it doesn’t get too warm when I put it in my Fractal Ridge.
Damn dude, AMD names already are pretty difficult to understand, you could explain that the first one was repeated just to Add Turbo or you could just give the same name to R7 9800X3D and the Plus Turbo.
Yes but not worth upgrading from your 5800x3d. unless you are extremely competitive player who have 360hz monitor or you mostly play cpu hog games like flight sim, cities skylines, teardown, beamng drive (with tons of traffic), basically any tycoon, management, flight simulator, large scale strategy, and physics heavy games.
The 7800x3d wasn't a good upgrade from my 5800x3d due to a complete platform change. This 9800x3d might be enough of a uplift to justify the $1K upgrade to AM5. Since most initial numbers are when paired with a 4090, I'll wait to see what the benchmark is on my card, RTX 4070 TI Super.
@@Dr.WhetFarts For gaming I don't think so. People with mid to higher end graphics cards play at 1440p or 4K with higher settings. There would be little to no difference for gaming. For productivity stuff or gaming at 720p/1080p low settings, sure there is a difference 🤣
need more games that have trouble hitting 60fps because they are so cpu demanding. dragons dogma 2 in the city and star citizen both need high end cpus just to touch 60fps no matter the graphics
Star Citizen is in eternal beta phase so I wouldn't use that as a bellwether for CPU performance. As for Dragon's Dogma 2, we don't have any experience with it but I'd hazard a guess that its a lot like the area where we test in BG3; there's a ton of NPC's in the city so the focus is put heavily on CPU performance.
Yeah because it is to make sure there are zero cpu bottleneck , cuz some games still gpu bound at 1080p unless you use dlss or fsr ultra performance maybe
720p are stupid now to show!1 maybe 5-6 years ago but even then everyone abandon that because nobody dont use it anyway so you must go from 1080p because otherwise why not then 480 or 240p too and difference could/will be bigger
No, it is precisely what we SHOULD show in order to distinguish one CPU from another. Next you'll ask for what? Using a mid-tier CPU when benchmarking GPUs? You also forget that we tested at 1080p Ultra and those results are right there in every chart.
@HardwareCanucks you can distinguish it on 480p too then!!but point of story is nobody dont use it just like on 720p !!1080p is minimum now and only available with 360 -500hz refresh rate monitors just likwe 1440p while 720p monitors not so unless you downsize resolution but then you have garbage pixelated picture
Smt is better at doing a lot of small things. In games where you sometimes have big things to calculate, smt will bottleneck the core (atleast how I understand it).
whyyyyyy 720ppp. do 1080/1440p the 2 common resolutions. also mix in all of 5000 cpus since most people are still on the 56/58/59/5800x3D. having to play leap frog for correlated data is quite annoying.
@@HardwareCanucks the benchmarks showed tons of cpus that people dont own so their is no relative to what they own aside from the few that have the 5800x3D which performs well outside of the 5000 lineup. I've watched every video that came out today and trying to play extrapolate to a 5900x is like pulling teeth the closest estimate i can come up with is a random 5800x in a GN video at 1080p to rough guess 30-65% improvement at 1080 which will probably be sliced in half at 1440p which is more relevant today than ever. To me and most people it does no good to show 1 performance metric to only theorize another because no one is willing to test it and most comparison videos of gameplay are made up. So idk maybe 1440p is a minority 4k definitely is.
@@revog7how you supposed to know what cpu able to give if your gpu holding it back?, trust me if you play any new aaa games at 1440p high to max settings you cannot see the difference at all with any mid to high end cpu released in the last 2 years
@ relative real world performance. Great , you can show 720p benchmarks to get rid off any gpu bottleneck . However 720p is completely unrealistic for real world performance.
To make sure the cpu ahow its potential on every single games tested. cpu Benchmark at 1440p or higher on new games with 4090 is like putting 140 km/h speed limiter on a 1000 hp hypercar
Every single review video, be it from Gamers Nexus to Jayztwocents and others are NOT showing benchmark results for resolutions above 1080! The only person who did was Linus and the jig was up! The results show literally 1-2 fps increase over the 7800x3D in most games! Show us the benchmark results of games at 2K and above with FP ray tracing.. guarantee it performs more or less to 7800x3D. Why is every single video focusing on 1080 resolution? (Who even games at 1080 res anymore!) Is this a united propaganda against Intel?
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 IF YOU TEST WHILE EVERYTHING ELSE IS CETERUS PARIBUS MEANING ALL OTHER COMPONENTS ARE THE SAME THEN SURELY YOU’D GET DIFFERENT VARIANCE THAN THE VARIANCE OF TESTING IN 1080 WHICH THEREFORE MEANS THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE! GPU BOTTLE NECK MY FOOT! PLEASE RUN THE TESTS AT 1440 AND HIGHER AND PROVE ME WRONG @HardwareCanucks
I understand that this is the new GAMING king, but i want to do more than just game on my PC, i want to Edit Video, i want to do Music Production, i want to Stream etc, obviously the best option is to buy a second productivity pc for that stuff but if you only have the budget for 1 build, i'm not sure if this is the best "All-Round" option
So many people arguing that 720 is irrelevant in 2024, guys this is a ******* benchmark video, a few years from now when games start getting heavier on the CPU side (hopefully not too soon), these 720p numbers will be reflected in higher resolutions
I guess AMD didn't want you to review games benchmarks at 1440P and 4K. Who spends $500 on a CPU for gaming performance at 1080P, unless you're a contender at an eSports game who plays at 1080P and lower settings?
@jonathanayotte9331 Yeah, how will we know if a CPU is bottlenecking a CPU at higher resolutions, without higher resolution benchmarks? Oh, because Gamers Nexus did for the 7800X3D, but not for the 9800X3D. And yeah, the 13700K beat the 7800X3D most of the time at 1440P.
Low rez exposes the CPU bottleneck better. At higher rez the GPU will more likely be the bottleneck. But I agree some reference numbers for everyday users could be useful
We don't benchmark high end GPUs with a mid-range CPU just like we don't benchmark CPUs at higher resolutions. Its important to remove as many barriers as possible so actual performance differentiations can be made. This is a CPU review, not a GPU review. I'm putting this in context so its easy to understand why we do what we do... - Mike
Testing cpu on realistic gaming scenario is like putting 140km/h speed limiter on 1000 hp hypercar. Cpu test have to be done with unrealistic or niche gaming scenario
Because this is a CPU review, not a GPU review. Its the same reason why we test GPUs with the highest end CPU possible; we don't want one to intrude onto the performance of the other.
Came to papa 9800X3D! Now just wait for rtx5090!
My wallet though...🫙
RIP your wallet. Especially with AM5 platform prices....
@@ramonzaions7522 i want to have money like you
@@TheLateral18 I have two kids under 3 years old now. I have no money. - Mike
@@HardwareCanucks I sold mine to afford the upgrade.
The kids will do fine with their new master.
Not only the information is beautifully and easily presented with fantastic graphs, but you also provide some of the best b-roll visuals ever. Those processor shots are stunning 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks. Our intent is to show the maximum amount of information in a limited time but I'm always worried about adding too much and that causing the content to become less digestible. I'm happy we seem to have struck a good balance with this.
The 5800x3d is one of the best CPUs ever made 👊 😤
Absolutely.
sad it runs at rather too low ghz for a highend pc, if you can oc it to 5ghz i think its just as good as 9800x3d
prob its am4 limitation though, to run at sub 4.5ghz
I'm just happy my 5800X3D is going to be relevant for the foreseeable future.
It absolutely will be. Like I said, its still the GOAT in my books - Mike
it is not, it's already old
The 5700X3D is better value for the price. Less than $200
I have one too but, I was thinking of upgrading due to playing competitive shooters and mainly for tarkov lol. Tarkov is way too vcache/ram heavy.
I wouldnt upgrade if I mainly played single player games but, I do play a lot of competitive shooters that are really cpu bound and never max out my 4090 so.
@lovie74 You can take the Ryzen 7 9700X at $300. It will be enough and I think 32GB or ram 6000mhz at $100 is a good combo
Thank you for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator!
Reviewers rarely test those worst-case, VERY CPU-demanding scenarios, unfortunately.
So here's the thing....Flight Simulator isn't CPU intensive. We're talking 5-10% at most. What it DOES do is seriously tax a single core since its engine doesn't seem to be multi-core aware. Hopefully the new version will change that.
@@HardwareCanucks still CPU intensive in my book, since it makes CPU perform to it's limit.
In this particular case this is a single threaded/single core limit. Which is still a common limiting factor even today, since usually even decently threaded games will not be able to load all cores equally. Which results in a single or two cores hitting 100% and thus becoming a bottleneck, while rest stays at like 75--80%.
But you already know that.
Paul's Hardware is the only other one I'm aware of.
I liked the data presentation.. Best among all the reviews i have seen till now.
That's a high compliment. Thanks!
Great video and tons of information, I thank you for the hard work you put into this. Sounds like the 9800X3D is a jack of trades but a master to gaming chip. Hope you feel better soon.
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed.
Great review always can count on mike to bring the best reviews
great review! thank you so much sir.
Thank you, Mike. Waiting for new CPU cooler tests with 9800X3D. 🥰
Great conclusion! And thanks for including both 5700X3D and 5800X3D because I waited too long and now the former is really the only option that makes sense. Good to know it's only around 8% slower in games.
Current 5800X3D owner. I know I'm purchasing the 9800X3D first thing Thursday morning as I already purchased a X870P MB and 64GB 6400MT/s RAM. Not a bad upgrade for less than $1,000 coming from AM4. Probably upgrade to 8300MT/s RAM If it's beneficial.
Enjoyed this review, thanks. Your point that the 720p results bode well for the future was insightful.
Thanks for this very well done video.
I get testing 720p to show the performance difference, but nobody uses that. It's like showing how the 4090 runs at in 8K. It's like cool, but useless data. I would be much more interested in seeing 1440p data when it comes to CPU testing. Then you could see if the upgrade matters at all, for which games it matters, or if it's better to stay with something cheaper.
Really good to see bump in Ghz, lower TDP/Temp and overall gain, though not substantial compared to 78--X3D, but still overall good package.. Will upgrade next year from my current 7700X running with 32GB/6400 CL32 along with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro & nVidia 3800Ti (hopefully will have budget to upgrade GPU as well).
Based on the results im seeing from multiple reviewers from the 9800X3D, im very excited to see what the 9950X3D can do, hopefully it blows the doors off of everything.
Imagine a 12 core, single CCD, X3D chip
Then imagine Turbo mode on that (SMT OFF)
You'll have 12 cores (and 12T) that are super powerful, while still having respectable multi threaded performance
You won't see that. Next CCD core count step up is 16 cores and won't be ready before 2027-2028.
@Dr.WhetFarts Yeah, I'm hoping Zen 6 would do that. We need more cores per CCD
Mike, they all came to your video for 4K testing for some reason. Don't let them get to you, I play most games at 200p. Sure, they're DOS, but it's what it takes for that smooth 24 fps.
Haha. Maybe they didn't see WHY we tested how we tested.
They just want the graphs to be a completely vertical wall.
Who will play on 720p today with that piece of hardware? 720p tests are useless for years and i can't understand why reviewers continue to include them in testings?!?!?! Considering what kind of monitors are used for gaming this days!
Imagine complaining about the res of the benchmarks. Lmao 😂 lower res is better to show the full potential of the cpu. When gpus get stronger it will show the cpu being able to provide more performance
Wow, it can play games just as good as any other CPU. Amazing.
I appreciate the 720p low charts for CS2
Thank you for running rocket league benchmarks!
i love my 7800x3d but i will love even more when i will have 9950x3d it has dual ccd x3d cache
:d I just wait for it ! :D
I'm assuming a phantom spirit would be enough for this, but would like to see a test regardless. thanks for the videos.
I have an R7-5800X3D coupled with an RX 7900 XTX and 32GB of DDR4-3600 CL18.
I probably won't feel any need to upgrade until AM6 comes along. 😁
This new turbo mode looks promising. But will the results change if you have a bunch of browser tabs open along with Discord, spotify and other such apps? (Apps that people keep open while playing games)
Its a great review actually, the 720p results are very helpful as they simulate the use of a 5090 later down the line.
Bullshit!
Thank you for actually showing temperatures! The other reviews I've seen never showed or talked about them.
This next GPU generation better be good
Nice 😊
Since you guys are Canadian reviewers, you should include Canadian pricing. Such a pain trying to find non-US pricing -_-"
That is the issue, we rarely if ever get CAD pricing prior to launch or even before items start appearing at retailers.
It's okay. On the internet, unless mentioned, it's default to USD.
Canadians are better. We can function in USD, pounds, feet, Fahrenheit
Awesome stuff! Can we begin to add Diablo 4 to this list? Also, League of Legends (typically cpu bound) is rumored to update client for next year. :)
We've been looking to remove some titles and add others. However, I want to wait until 2025 to do that since there are some in-game security updates (which will require VBS enablement) and engine changes that might impact our choices.
I have never purchased an amd cpu before, but Intel has really stopped the ball over the last few years so I think when the 5090 comes out I’ll be picking this up also.
6:16 it's a wrap😂
this thing is amazing. Will we be able to get one at msrp or what
We went from Intel fighting with AMD to Intel fighting itself and losing bruh 😵💫
Keeping my RAM and CPU cooler last year in February and going for a 5800X3D and B550 board seems to have been a VERY good decision (a friend bought my B450 board together with my 3700X). Especially considering I am gaming in 4K. Still the performance of the 9800X3D is outstanding.
Also thank you for the well done and well made test! I've been following you guys since years now and I'm sure I'm not the only person from Germany here enjoying your content. Keep it up!
Damn, with this 9800x3d, AM5 longevity is pretty much guaranteed to at least match the AM4
Great review, thank you very much! I heard your warning about the turbo flag being enabled and how it regresses the FPS while playing Starfield. You have wasted your time even testing that game, imo. If somebody buys this CPU to play Starfield, then that person has a whole different set of psychological problems that need to be addressed first before they worry about FPS regressions.
Personally, I quite enjoyed the time I spent on Starfield. It was only about 15 hours but I didn't mind it.
Looks like I'll be returning to AMD for the first time in over 20yrs, though waiting to see what the 9950X3D brings before taking the plunge....
Turbo mode 1% lows look insanely good
Inalillahi Intel 🙏
Mike we need more cooler review and more cooler round up.
Working on it.
I plan on waiting on the 9950X3D so I can do content creation and gaming in Linux.
2:49 hehe you can hear the keyboard as you go through the presentation :p
Great video, but I don't understand why 720p is relevant. Since 1080p is the most common resolution, that should serve as the base. This can then be compared with 1440p. Or am I missing something here?
It isn't about popularity. Its about removing bottlenecks so the CPUs can largely stand on their own.
@HardwareCanucks We would like to know if 9800x3d makes sense for resolutions higher than 1080p. Is my money better spent on 9700x if I use 1440p monitor?
@@anatolpiotrowski9728 valid point, I game at 4k cos I mostly play open world rpg type stuff and like my visuals, but I'm still curious what cpu upgrade is most worthwhile to me, especially as my 10600K is due for replacement after Christmas....I understand why 1080p is used predominantly, but just a brief bit of 4k comparison would be much appreciated
@@martinarscott3524it will still be 9800X3D because the huge cache makes the 1% frame more stable..
Cuz when you are benchmarking cpu you never ever want any other hardware aside the cpu to be bottlenecked ,
My 5950X still going Hard
Nvidia is taking the high end GPU throne, while AMD is taking the high end gaming CPU throne. I suppose Intel is still good at productivity and budget CPUs. The hardware prices overall though...
Yeah it isn't really the price of the CPUs...its the whole platform cost that's gone crazy.
ngl i thought amd had better budget due to intel motherboards being a bit pricy
If you are serious about productivity, AMD has way better CPU to handle your need....
New x870e board + 64g ddr already here, 9800x3d will be bought tomorrow.
Finally my 4090 Strix can stretch its legs (and my 5800x3d goes into another rig). And now waiting for 5090...will be an awesome combo.
😍
13:08 not only silicon lottery. AMD isn't just binning these chips heavily, I suspect very much, that the v cash is making them more efficient, and therefore you have benefits from that too
If I was building an AM5 system now, I'd get a 7800X3D and wait for Zen 6. The performance increase isn't worth the power gain IMO.
I think is the best gaming cpu in the future 2025.
Should I upgrade my 7800x3d for the new 9800x3d
Wait for the 9950x3D prey it has duel V-cache 🙏
Bruh.
I think the 9800X3D will be the "sweet spot" for gamers for price vs performance. Remember, the dual CCD designs still have some hiccups in consistency from one game to another, to the point where the 9700X / 9600X can match or beat them overall.
@HardwareCanucks I was hoping they'd try something different this gen maybe next gen well have a 16c CCD for the 10800x3d.
9950X3D will be pointless for gamers, just like 7950X3D. 7800X3D beats it overall. Single CCD chips is better for gaming.
@Dr.WhetFarts hence why with cache changes I'd hoped they'd ironed that out but I suppose they have no reason to make something new until there is a reason to try instead of slapping new # on the box.
I'm between the 5950x and the 5800x3D 😭 to pair with a rx 6800 xt (am4)
I'm a gamer, but I want to edit, code, encode and much more...
I know, one is better for gaming and the other for the rest...
Should I get another cpu?
Help, anyone... 😢
if you already have good am4 mobo,go with 5900x,5950x is to expensive for 2020 cpu,5900x you can encode edit and decent gaming experience,better than 5800x3d for multitasking,just give it at least 32gig and good nvme
Instead go for a much cheaper 5700X3D.
@@razor19829or get the 5900XT potebtially. It's just a foenclocked cheaper 5950X.
For 1080p is the 9800x3d good for it
No Words to Overclock Function?
Sadly we didn't have the time.
720p results are purely academic. No one will ever play at that res realistically. But I’m glad it uses just a little more power than my 5800x3d. I hope it doesn’t get too warm when I put it in my Fractal Ridge.
@HardwareCanucks hi, can you test this with a Noctua low profile and Thermalright axp 90 x53 please
We might look into that. ;)
@@HardwareCanucks thank you sir, : ) looking forward to it. 🫡
Damn dude, AMD names already are pretty difficult to understand, you could explain that the first one was repeated just to Add Turbo or you could just give the same name to R7 9800X3D and the Plus Turbo.
Does it make sense to pair this CPU with my 4080 Super?
I game at 1440p UW
Using a a 5800X3D currently
Makes sense
Yes, if you have 144 Hz minimum.
Yes but not worth upgrading from your 5800x3d. unless you are extremely competitive player who have 360hz monitor or you mostly play cpu hog games like flight sim, cities skylines, teardown, beamng drive (with tons of traffic), basically any tycoon, management, flight simulator, large scale strategy, and physics heavy games.
The 7800x3d wasn't a good upgrade from my 5800x3d due to a complete platform change.
This 9800x3d might be enough of a uplift to justify the $1K upgrade to AM5.
Since most initial numbers are when paired with a 4090, I'll wait to see what the benchmark is on my card, RTX 4070 TI Super.
5800X3D to 9800X3D is for sure a nice upgrade.
@@Dr.WhetFarts For gaming I don't think so. People with mid to higher end graphics cards play at 1440p or 4K with higher settings. There would be little to no difference for gaming. For productivity stuff or gaming at 720p/1080p low settings, sure there is a difference 🤣
need more games that have trouble hitting 60fps because they are so cpu demanding. dragons dogma 2 in the city and star citizen both need high end cpus just to touch 60fps no matter the graphics
Star Citizen is in eternal beta phase so I wouldn't use that as a bellwether for CPU performance. As for Dragon's Dogma 2, we don't have any experience with it but I'd hazard a guess that its a lot like the area where we test in BG3; there's a ton of NPC's in the city so the focus is put heavily on CPU performance.
@@HardwareCanucks im just trying to think of any game that modern cpus struggle to hold 60 fps
My 5700x3d is punching 285k in the mouth in other games!
Yeah, that was a shock to us.
5700X3D looks very similar to the 9700x for gaming.
Intel needs to release an 8 p-core and Zero e-core Arrow Lake.
(puts feet up in in recliner) Ahhhhhhhhhh my 5800X3D is doing just fine at 1440p lol
720p It is the absolute truth, there is no more truth than 720p low, congratulations, finally someone who knows how to do benchmarks.
Yeah because it is to make sure there are zero cpu bottleneck , cuz some games still gpu bound at 1080p unless you use dlss or fsr ultra performance maybe
Goodbye Intel. Hello AMD
In vr sims where I'm using super sampling at well over 4k I guess my 7800x3d is going to be gpu limited for quite some time..... !
Why there is no 265k test results !!!. Really need to compare these 2 cpu's
We actually don't have a 265K on-hand.
Simple answer core 265k is a waste of money and no contest.
Made in Malaysia 🎉🎉🎉
Still prefer Ultra 7 265k, sorry AMD.
Some people do prefer to be dumb
🙃🙃
I play at 4K (with DLSS)
I have a Ryzen 5600 and 3080ti
I wonder if the 5800X3D = 9800X3D at 4K DLSS
@@Jerome-iwnl should be pretty close
how good is ID-cooling 360 INF? (amd)
Its been working pretty well for us. :)
720p are stupid now to show!1 maybe 5-6 years ago but even then everyone abandon that because nobody dont use it anyway so you must go from 1080p because otherwise why not then 480 or 240p too and difference could/will be bigger
No, it is precisely what we SHOULD show in order to distinguish one CPU from another. Next you'll ask for what? Using a mid-tier CPU when benchmarking GPUs? You also forget that we tested at 1080p Ultra and those results are right there in every chart.
@HardwareCanucks you can distinguish it on 480p too then!!but point of story is nobody dont use it just like on 720p !!1080p is minimum now and only available with 360 -500hz refresh rate monitors just likwe 1440p while 720p monitors not so unless you downsize resolution but then you have garbage pixelated picture
Wish we had some 1440p FPS. Is this 9800x3d only faster for 1080p? Are there any benefits over 9700x at 1440p ?
No, there really wouldn't be in most games. Unless you play FPS games like CS2, etc.
Only a 670E board for the 9800x3d??
What do you mean by "only"? X870E brings nothing new to the table for CPU performance.
Motherboard never affect cpu performance UNLESS it struggling to deliver the electricity to the cpu or having massive ram compatibility issues
Smt is better at doing a lot of small things. In games where you sometimes have big things to calculate, smt will bottleneck the core (atleast how I understand it).
HUB suspects that the IO die holds back zen 5 performance.
I'd love to hear their explanation about why that would be...especially on single CCD models.
whyyyyyy 720ppp. do 1080/1440p the 2 common resolutions. also mix in all of 5000 cpus since most people are still on the 56/58/59/5800x3D. having to play leap frog for correlated data is quite annoying.
We're benchmarking CPUs here. Imagine the outrage if we had tested the RTX 4090 on a 5600X because that CPU was "more common"...
@@HardwareCanucks the benchmarks showed tons of cpus that people dont own so their is no relative to what they own aside from the few that have the 5800x3D which performs well outside of the 5000 lineup. I've watched every video that came out today and trying to play extrapolate to a 5900x is like pulling teeth the closest estimate i can come up with is a random 5800x in a GN video at 1080p to rough guess 30-65% improvement at 1080 which will probably be sliced in half at 1440p which is more relevant today than ever. To me and most people it does no good to show 1 performance metric to only theorize another because no one is willing to test it and most comparison videos of gameplay are made up. So idk maybe 1440p is a minority 4k definitely is.
@@revog7how you supposed to know what cpu able to give if your gpu holding it back?, trust me if you play any new aaa games at 1440p high to max settings you cannot see the difference at all with any mid to high end cpu released in the last 2 years
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 i have a 4080....
Using 720p…. Really bro? The just unrealistic test of all time
No, it's not
@ relative real world performance. Great , you can show 720p benchmarks to get rid off any gpu bottleneck .
However 720p is completely unrealistic for real world performance.
Intel need to create a whole new architecture they are so far behind on efficiency
Or give us 10 P-Cores.
Plz benchmark minecraft 🙏
BROTHER WHO WILL BUT THIS 9800X3D AND RTX 4090 FOR 720P AND 1080P GAMING ?
It isn't about who would use it for high resolution gaming. It's about showing which CPU is fastest.
To make sure the cpu ahow its potential on every single games tested. cpu Benchmark at 1440p or higher on new games with 4090 is like putting 140 km/h speed limiter on a 1000 hp hypercar
next time 480p too because hmm
only 1080p tests .......................
Every single review video, be it from Gamers Nexus to Jayztwocents and others are NOT showing benchmark results for resolutions above 1080! The only person who did was Linus and the jig was up! The results show literally 1-2 fps increase over the 7800x3D in most games!
Show us the benchmark results of games at 2K and above with FP ray tracing.. guarantee it performs more or less to 7800x3D. Why is every single video focusing on 1080 resolution? (Who even games at 1080 res anymore!) Is this a united propaganda against Intel?
No crap. At 1440p you run smack into a GPU bottleneck.
CUZ IF YOU TESTING AT 1440P YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWING THE CPU TO SHOW ITS POTENTIAL unless you play 10 years old game or older
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 IF YOU TEST WHILE EVERYTHING ELSE IS CETERUS PARIBUS MEANING ALL OTHER COMPONENTS ARE THE SAME THEN SURELY YOU’D GET DIFFERENT VARIANCE THAN THE VARIANCE OF TESTING IN 1080 WHICH THEREFORE MEANS THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE! GPU BOTTLE NECK MY FOOT! PLEASE RUN THE TESTS AT 1440 AND HIGHER AND PROVE ME WRONG @HardwareCanucks
5:39 i stopped the video after hearing this. i mean what the hell... this rivals tiktok levels of brainrot.
I understand that this is the new GAMING king, but i want to do more than just game on my PC, i want to Edit Video, i want to do Music Production, i want to Stream etc, obviously the best option is to buy a second productivity pc for that stuff but if you only have the budget for 1 build, i'm not sure if this is the best "All-Round" option
Wait for 9950X3D...
This is meant for gaming but light to moderate productivity, if you want both just pick 16 core x3d chip
I would not go over 5800x3d right now.
So many people arguing that 720 is irrelevant in 2024, guys this is a ******* benchmark video, a few years from now when games start getting heavier on the CPU side (hopefully not too soon), these 720p numbers will be reflected in higher resolutions
Bingo. 🙏
Im addicted to “Ray Tracing “…so I’ll need to find those results.👍🏽
I guess AMD didn't want you to review games benchmarks at 1440P and 4K. Who spends $500 on a CPU for gaming performance at 1080P, unless you're a contender at an eSports game who plays at 1080P and lower settings?
It’s the best way to bench mark raw performance without bottle necks
@jonathanayotte9331 Yeah, how will we know if a CPU is bottlenecking a CPU at higher resolutions, without higher resolution benchmarks? Oh, because Gamers Nexus did for the 7800X3D, but not for the 9800X3D. And yeah, the 13700K beat the 7800X3D most of the time at 1440P.
Low rez exposes the CPU bottleneck better. At higher rez the GPU will more likely be the bottleneck. But I agree some reference numbers for everyday users could be useful
@@chinesesparrows Exactly. And if I ask what's most important for gaming, the CPU or GPU, what's the answer? The GPU.
We don't benchmark high end GPUs with a mid-range CPU just like we don't benchmark CPUs at higher resolutions. Its important to remove as many barriers as possible so actual performance differentiations can be made. This is a CPU review, not a GPU review. I'm putting this in context so its easy to understand why we do what we do... - Mike
Come on with these reviews and these decade old resolutions…. Who runs a $1500 card with a $300 monitor???
That's not the point.
Testing cpu on realistic gaming scenario is like putting 140km/h speed limiter on 1000 hp hypercar. Cpu test have to be done with unrealistic or niche gaming scenario
Wich Mobo should I choose? Every MOBO have this piece of shit "Laning Share" and I dont want this. I want more than 2 NVME and dont lose my x16 GPU.
X670e or x870
Why is no-one doing 4k benchmarks for Pete's sake. We know the gap between X and X3D vanishes at 4k, let's see it.
Because this is a CPU review, not a GPU review. Its the same reason why we test GPUs with the highest end CPU possible; we don't want one to intrude onto the performance of the other.
HHHHHHHHHardware chunks,,,please change bench charts,,,unredable,,,make them like tomshardware
No, never.
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