EXCELLENT GRAPHS AND METHOD Hey Mike, like many of the die hards, I've watched most of the 9800x3d coverage today. your 720p low vs 1080p high graphs are brilliant. they include almost every processor i would hope to compare and they look great doing it. i don't mean to call any of your peers clowns but your graphs simply convey the information required. Video production is an art, anyone can launch a built in benchmark, but presenting the data in an ACESSESSABLE and READABLE format really is the the difference between good and great content. My hat is off to you, on a day when all the techpress are measured against each other i believe you and your production team have outdone themselves and outshone the competition.
Not only the information is beautifully and easily presented with fantastic graphs, but you also provide some of the best b-roll visuals ever. Those processor shots are stunning 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks. Our intent is to show the maximum amount of information in a limited time but I'm always worried about adding too much and that causing the content to become less digestible. I'm happy we seem to have struck a good balance with this.
So here's the thing....Flight Simulator isn't CPU intensive. We're talking 5-10% at most. What it DOES do is seriously tax a single core since its engine doesn't seem to be multi-core aware. Hopefully the new version will change that.
@@HardwareCanucks still CPU intensive in my book, since it makes CPU perform to it's limit. In this particular case this is a single threaded/single core limit. Which is still a common limiting factor even today, since usually even decently threaded games will not be able to load all cores equally. Which results in a single or two cores hitting 100% and thus becoming a bottleneck, while rest stays at like 75--80%. But you already know that.
Wow, the comments in the comment section are full of brain rot. We know no one here is going to use this to game at 720p. But he's using 720p so you can see the full extent of the cpus power. To show you the gnerational increase as essiky as possible. If you are gaming at 4k then cpu doesn't matter much only for 1 percent lows. 1440p cpu could depend on the title. Surprised people dont understand this.
@gezimlimoni2319 it's still a good visualisation, but avatar frontiers of Pandora shows us that even at 1080p you can be completely gpu bound even at 1080p. So that's why they use 720p purely as a visualisation of gains.
@@thanemarston4037I'm not a gamer so maybe it's not surprising to others but seeing a game being gpu bound at 1080 using the 4090 was surprising to me. What's the cause? Is it doing additional work?
@@spamcan9208 I think they're intending 1080p Highest to be a sort of "HFR gamer profile". The ones that bought 1080p 500Hz monitors and are running a 4090 and want to see what they'll actually get. Except I disagree with that choice; I think Highest settings usually has some small graphics options that absolutely obliterate GPU performance at max setting, while high or medium are visually extremely similar. It's showing more aggressive GPU-bound scenarios than you might actually legitimately see. And I think most HFR gamers are now using the 1440p OLED/QD-OLEDs which can do up to 1440p 480Hz, so unless strobing is mandatory in someone's eyes 1080p LCD monitors may as well be dead. I think 1440p Low/Medium or a mix of "Recommended" settings would be way more useful data.
I have one too but, I was thinking of upgrading due to playing competitive shooters and mainly for tarkov lol. Tarkov is way too vcache/ram heavy. I wouldnt upgrade if I mainly played single player games but, I do play a lot of competitive shooters that are really cpu bound and never max out my 4090 so.
Great conclusion! And thanks for including both 5700X3D and 5800X3D because I waited too long and now the former is really the only option that makes sense. Good to know it's only around 8% slower in games.
Great video and tons of information, I thank you for the hard work you put into this. Sounds like the 9800X3D is a jack of trades but a master to gaming chip. Hope you feel better soon.
I greatly appreciate the Houdini results, which prove the fact the the V-Cache plays a huge role, more than the frequency of 9700X, in fluid simulations! So, the 9950X3D will finalize AMD's yesterday bloodbath! Thanks again for those results (and if you can, please add some more 3D apps results in the future!)
Unsubscribed a while back, but came back after hearing about the unfounded flak you guys caught for testing at 720p for a CPU review. Keep on keeping on.
Awesome presentation, perfect test scenarios. Kudos to you guys, ignore the smooth brained fellers in the comments :)) Came here after Steve from Hardware Unboxed presented your situation*
You guys fully deserve 1.88mil subs. Had no idea this channel was this big but not surpriswd. The charts are some of the easiest to digest and most use data i have seen. The 720 low is a nice add to show a variety of game settings and how it changes the load. Brilliant job HC!
Fantastic review! I love that you went in-depth enough to show where the 9800X3D can go in the future with those 720p tests. It probably won't be long before there's a gpu capable enough to 'unbind' the chip at 1080p but apparently it's too good right now.
Thanks for including the relevant AM5 akd AM4 CPUs in this comparison. Really gives a clear comparison between the buying options. 7600 (non-X) for now and Zen 6 in 2-3 years on the same motherboard 😊
Mike, they all came to your video for 4K testing for some reason. Don't let them get to you, I play most games at 200p. Sure, they're DOS, but it's what it takes for that smooth 24 fps.
Imagine a 12 core, single CCD, X3D chip Then imagine Turbo mode on that (SMT OFF) You'll have 12 cores (and 12T) that are super powerful, while still having respectable multi threaded performance
Keep testing in 720p. Don't pay attention to brain dead comments of people who are not capable of understanding basics in CPU testing methodology. It shows their ignorance in full public view.
I see that there are still a lot of people who need to be educated on what a CPU does for a gaming PC. The reason gaming benchmarks for CPUs test at low resolution and detail is because the CPU will determine your MAX FPS in games. In most situations you will run into a GPU bottleneck before a CPU bottleneck if you have a well balanced system however there are still CPU bound games where you will notice a tangible difference even at higher resolutions like MMOs, strategy games, and Tarkov. Naturally if you only play at 4K max settings with a 4090 a lot of modern CPUs will give the exact same result because you will be heavily GPU bottlenecked.
Imagine complaining about the res of the benchmarks. Lmao 😂 lower res is better to show the full potential of the cpu. When gpus get stronger it will show the cpu being able to provide more performance
Wow .. I took a used PC with a 7800x3d few months before. Was skeptical if it would stay relevant once 9800x3D comes out. And I'm happy that the gamble paid off 😅.
Based on the results im seeing from multiple reviewers from the 9800X3D, im very excited to see what the 9950X3D can do, hopefully it blows the doors off of everything.
Current 5800X3D owner. I know I'm purchasing the 9800X3D first thing Thursday morning as I already purchased a X870P MB and 64GB 6400MT/s RAM. Not a bad upgrade for less than $1,000 coming from AM4. Probably upgrade to 8300MT/s RAM If it's beneficial.
Theres diminishing returns or even negative with speeds too high since latency increases. 6000mt cl28 is usually better than 6800 cl 34 and so on. Its the combination that counts, although the performance impact is usually close to negligible.
Really good to see bump in Ghz, lower TDP/Temp and overall gain, though not substantial compared to 78--X3D, but still overall good package.. Will upgrade next year from my current 7700X running with 32GB/6400 CL32 along with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro & nVidia 3800Ti (hopefully will have budget to upgrade GPU as well).
We've been looking to remove some titles and add others. However, I want to wait until 2025 to do that since there are some in-game security updates (which will require VBS enablement) and engine changes that might impact our choices.
Keeping my RAM and CPU cooler last year in February and going for a 5800X3D and B550 board seems to have been a VERY good decision (a friend bought my B450 board together with my 3700X). Especially considering I am gaming in 4K. Still the performance of the 9800X3D is outstanding. Also thank you for the well done and well made test! I've been following you guys since years now and I'm sure I'm not the only person from Germany here enjoying your content. Keep it up!
Absolutely awesome review. I like the inclusion of 720P ;-) I like your laidback style, I wouldn't mind going out and drinking a couple of beers with you ;-) Cheers and kudos
New x870e board + 64g ddr already here, 9800x3d will be bought tomorrow. Finally my 4090 Strix can stretch its legs (and my 5800x3d goes into another rig). And now waiting for 5090...will be an awesome combo.
This new turbo mode looks promising. But will the results change if you have a bunch of browser tabs open along with Discord, spotify and other such apps? (Apps that people keep open while playing games)
I have never purchased an amd cpu before, but Intel has really stopped the ball over the last few years so I think when the 5090 comes out I’ll be picking this up also.
I actually think 720p and 1440p Low might be the better two resolutions to test at. 720p to remove as much GPU bottleneck as possible, as you've stated (and is super appreciated!), but then 1440p Low to more reflect the monitors people who are interest in HFR are actually running with. The 1080p 480+Hz monitors are quite rare and have a lot of compromises (size for LG's dual mode, LCD panels for the others), while the 1440p 240/360Hz WOLEDs and QD-OLEDs have been just absolutely destroying these last two years. I think 1080p for e-sports nowadays is essentially dead for all but legitimate professionals (and even that I wonder), especially once the 5090 comes out. Also, I think Highest settings is a mistake that's not adding much value. I feel like most "competitive gamers" set the render resolution to match their panel, start at Low settings, and then only turn up the eye candy when it's not causing them to drop below 10-15% of the max. Which is still damn hard to do with even 4090s, now that we're making 360+Hz the HFR norm. In non-competitive games they may turn them up to Medium/High-ish, but never to Highest because we are continuously told the marginal benefit of the most extreme Graphics settings is usually dramatically smaller than the tradeoff in GPU render time. Or maybe, consider doing CS2/OW/Valorant/etc. on 1440p Low, and things like Hogwarts Legacy/CP2077 on 1440p High-ish "Recommended" settings, for a sort of "realistic HFR gaming" profile.
So many people arguing that 720 is irrelevant in 2024, guys this is a ******* benchmark video, a few years from now when games start getting heavier on the CPU side (hopefully not too soon), these 720p numbers will be reflected in higher resolutions
Yes but not worth upgrading from your 5800x3d. unless you are extremely competitive player who have 360hz monitor or you mostly play cpu hog games like flight sim, cities skylines, teardown, beamng drive (with tons of traffic), basically any tycoon, management, flight simulator, large scale strategy, and physics heavy games.
This chip coming so quick after the 7800x3D which also burst through a ceiling when compared to the competition is unparalleled has this sort of gain been seen before ?
... Coming so quick? O_o There was a longer time gap between the 7800X3D & 9800X3D (≈1.5 years) than there was between the 5800X3D & 7800X3D (≈1 year). 🤷
13:08 not only silicon lottery. AMD isn't just binning these chips heavily, I suspect very much, that the v cash is making them more efficient, and therefore you have benefits from that too
Great video, but I don't understand why 720p is relevant. Since 1080p is the most common resolution, that should serve as the base. This can then be compared with 1440p. Or am I missing something here?
@HardwareCanucks We would like to know if 9800x3d makes sense for resolutions higher than 1080p. Is my money better spent on 9700x if I use 1440p monitor?
@@anatolpiotrowski9728 valid point, I game at 4k cos I mostly play open world rpg type stuff and like my visuals, but I'm still curious what cpu upgrade is most worthwhile to me, especially as my 10600K is due for replacement after Christmas....I understand why 1080p is used predominantly, but just a brief bit of 4k comparison would be much appreciated
Just like the 5800X3D was a revolutionary CPU, so is the 9800X3D with its new architecture and overclockability, low power draw and low temps. But it's not good enough to open my wallet and change out my 7800X3D.
I'm between the 5950x and the 5800x3D 😭 to pair with a rx 6800 xt (am4) I'm a gamer, but I want to edit, code, encode and much more... I know, one is better for gaming and the other for the rest... Should I get another cpu? Help, anyone... 😢
if you already have good am4 mobo,go with 5900x,5950x is to expensive for 2020 cpu,5900x you can encode edit and decent gaming experience,better than 5800x3d for multitasking,just give it at least 32gig and good nvme
Damn dude, AMD names already are pretty difficult to understand, you could explain that the first one was repeated just to Add Turbo or you could just give the same name to R7 9800X3D and the Plus Turbo.
The 7800x3d wasn't a good upgrade from my 5800x3d due to a complete platform change. This 9800x3d might be enough of a uplift to justify the $1K upgrade to AM5. Since most initial numbers are when paired with a 4090, I'll wait to see what the benchmark is on my card, RTX 4070 TI Super.
@@Dr.WhetFarts For gaming I don't think so. People with mid to higher end graphics cards play at 1440p or 4K with higher settings. There would be little to no difference for gaming. For productivity stuff or gaming at 720p/1080p low settings, sure there is a difference 🤣
I think the 9800X3D will be the "sweet spot" for gamers for price vs performance. Remember, the dual CCD designs still have some hiccups in consistency from one game to another, to the point where the 9700X / 9600X can match or beat them overall.
@Dr.WhetFarts hence why with cache changes I'd hoped they'd ironed that out but I suppose they have no reason to make something new until there is a reason to try instead of slapping new # on the box.
Nvidia is taking the high end GPU throne, while AMD is taking the high end gaming CPU throne. I suppose Intel is still good at productivity and budget CPUs. The hardware prices overall though...
need more games that have trouble hitting 60fps because they are so cpu demanding. dragons dogma 2 in the city and star citizen both need high end cpus just to touch 60fps no matter the graphics
Star Citizen is in eternal beta phase so I wouldn't use that as a bellwether for CPU performance. As for Dragon's Dogma 2, we don't have any experience with it but I'd hazard a guess that its a lot like the area where we test in BG3; there's a ton of NPC's in the city so the focus is put heavily on CPU performance.
Nobody used CUDIMM on the 9800X3D... or even tested it... who will be the first? Crazy that Avatar and Forza 5 in 720p are TWICE as fast as in 1080p... what the hell. And triple FPS in warhammer. wtf
Well in Warhammer 720p we use low settings which make the game look terrible...BUT those settings are there mostly to make the title as accessible as possible. Meanwhile at Ultra settings it looks amazing.
Smt is better at doing a lot of small things. In games where you sometimes have big things to calculate, smt will bottleneck the core (atleast how I understand it).
Great review, thank you very much! I heard your warning about the turbo flag being enabled and how it regresses the FPS while playing Starfield. You have wasted your time even testing that game, imo. If somebody buys this CPU to play Starfield, then that person has a whole different set of psychological problems that need to be addressed first before they worry about FPS regressions.
A lot of people liked Starfield. When it originally came out it reviewed very well. The hate campaign against it is a more modern thing, especially with the incredibly meh expansion.
EXCELLENT GRAPHS AND METHOD
Hey Mike, like many of the die hards, I've watched most of the 9800x3d coverage today. your 720p low vs 1080p high graphs are brilliant. they include almost every processor i would hope to compare and they look great doing it.
i don't mean to call any of your peers clowns but your graphs simply convey the information required. Video production is an art, anyone can launch a built in benchmark, but presenting the data in an ACESSESSABLE and READABLE format really is the the difference between good and great content.
My hat is off to you, on a day when all the techpress are measured against each other i believe you and your production team have outdone themselves and outshone the competition.
Appreciate that. 😉
Not only the information is beautifully and easily presented with fantastic graphs, but you also provide some of the best b-roll visuals ever. Those processor shots are stunning 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks. Our intent is to show the maximum amount of information in a limited time but I'm always worried about adding too much and that causing the content to become less digestible. I'm happy we seem to have struck a good balance with this.
I liked the data presentation.. Best among all the reviews i have seen till now.
That's a high compliment. Thanks!
Thank you for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator!
Reviewers rarely test those worst-case, VERY CPU-demanding scenarios, unfortunately.
So here's the thing....Flight Simulator isn't CPU intensive. We're talking 5-10% at most. What it DOES do is seriously tax a single core since its engine doesn't seem to be multi-core aware. Hopefully the new version will change that.
@@HardwareCanucks still CPU intensive in my book, since it makes CPU perform to it's limit.
In this particular case this is a single threaded/single core limit. Which is still a common limiting factor even today, since usually even decently threaded games will not be able to load all cores equally. Which results in a single or two cores hitting 100% and thus becoming a bottleneck, while rest stays at like 75--80%.
But you already know that.
Paul's Hardware is the only other one I'm aware of.
Yep, I'm doing MSFS in VR (so > 4K) and I'm still CPU bound (admittedly on a 5900X).
Wow, the comments in the comment section are full of brain rot.
We know no one here is going to use this to game at 720p.
But he's using 720p so you can see the full extent of the cpus power. To show you the gnerational increase as essiky as possible.
If you are gaming at 4k then cpu doesn't matter much only for 1 percent lows.
1440p cpu could depend on the title.
Surprised people dont understand this.
And for 1080p?
@gezimlimoni2319 it's still a good visualisation, but avatar frontiers of Pandora shows us that even at 1080p you can be completely gpu bound even at 1080p.
So that's why they use 720p purely as a visualisation of gains.
@@thanemarston4037 yep, makes sense 👍
@@thanemarston4037I'm not a gamer so maybe it's not surprising to others but seeing a game being gpu bound at 1080 using the 4090 was surprising to me. What's the cause? Is it doing additional work?
@@spamcan9208 I think they're intending 1080p Highest to be a sort of "HFR gamer profile". The ones that bought 1080p 500Hz monitors and are running a 4090 and want to see what they'll actually get. Except I disagree with that choice; I think Highest settings usually has some small graphics options that absolutely obliterate GPU performance at max setting, while high or medium are visually extremely similar. It's showing more aggressive GPU-bound scenarios than you might actually legitimately see. And I think most HFR gamers are now using the 1440p OLED/QD-OLEDs which can do up to 1440p 480Hz, so unless strobing is mandatory in someone's eyes 1080p LCD monitors may as well be dead. I think 1440p Low/Medium or a mix of "Recommended" settings would be way more useful data.
The 5800x3d is one of the best CPUs ever made 👊 😤
Absolutely.
sad it runs at rather too low ghz for a highend pc, if you can oc it to 5ghz i think its just as good as 9800x3d
prob its am4 limitation though, to run at sub 4.5ghz
And i like its slower brother as well, the 5700x3d.
@@okramediev404 planned to get it someday from 5600g, here 5700x3d to 5800x3d is like $130 difference
Came to papa 9800X3D! Now just wait for rtx5090!
My wallet though...🫙
RIP your wallet. Especially with AM5 platform prices....
@@ramonzaions7522 i want to have money like you
@@TheLateral18 I have two kids under 3 years old now. I have no money. - Mike
@@HardwareCanucks I sold mine to afford the upgrade.
The kids will do fine with their new master.
I'm just happy my 5800X3D is going to be relevant for the foreseeable future.
It absolutely will be. Like I said, its still the GOAT in my books - Mike
it is not, it's already old
The 5700X3D is better value for the price. Less than $200
I have one too but, I was thinking of upgrading due to playing competitive shooters and mainly for tarkov lol. Tarkov is way too vcache/ram heavy.
I wouldnt upgrade if I mainly played single player games but, I do play a lot of competitive shooters that are really cpu bound and never max out my 4090 so.
@lovie74 You can take the Ryzen 7 9700X at $300. It will be enough and I think 32GB or ram 6000mhz at $100 is a good combo
Thanks for performing the tests in 720p !
Great conclusion! And thanks for including both 5700X3D and 5800X3D because I waited too long and now the former is really the only option that makes sense. Good to know it's only around 8% slower in games.
Great video and tons of information, I thank you for the hard work you put into this. Sounds like the 9800X3D is a jack of trades but a master to gaming chip. Hope you feel better soon.
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed.
I appreciate the 720p low charts for CS2
You are the best, Mike! Thanks for your amazing perspective and opinions as always 👏👏👏
I greatly appreciate the Houdini results, which prove the fact the the V-Cache plays a huge role, more than the frequency of 9700X, in fluid simulations!
So, the 9950X3D will finalize AMD's yesterday bloodbath! Thanks again for those results (and if you can, please add some more 3D apps results in the future!)
Very nicely done! I appreciate your testing methodology in order to show the CPU true performance over the 7800x3d. Thank You!
Man I’m so glad I didn’t FOMO on 7800x3d. I’m on i5-4690. After 10 years Moving on to 9800 x3d babaaay
Enjoyed this review, thanks. Your point that the 720p results bode well for the future was insightful.
Unsubscribed a while back, but came back after hearing about the unfounded flak you guys caught for testing at 720p for a CPU review. Keep on keeping on.
Welcome back.
Awesome presentation, perfect test scenarios. Kudos to you guys, ignore the smooth brained fellers in the comments :)) Came here after Steve from Hardware Unboxed presented your situation*
LOL. I wasn't aware that Steve brought us up. I'll have to take a look.
You guys fully deserve 1.88mil subs. Had no idea this channel was this big but not surpriswd. The charts are some of the easiest to digest and most use data i have seen. The 720 low is a nice add to show a variety of game settings and how it changes the load. Brilliant job HC!
Thanks, appreciate you saying that! 🙏
Amazing review, finally someone did complete temps and power compared to a regular counterparts.
This is an excellent video, graphics and presentation all. Bloody hell, what a chip.
Fantastic review! I love that you went in-depth enough to show where the 9800X3D can go in the future with those 720p tests. It probably won't be long before there's a gpu capable enough to 'unbind' the chip at 1080p but apparently it's too good right now.
Exactly, its what people aren't thinking about,.
Thanks for including the relevant AM5 akd AM4 CPUs in this comparison.
Really gives a clear comparison between the buying options. 7600 (non-X) for now and Zen 6 in 2-3 years on the same motherboard 😊
Great review always can count on mike to bring the best reviews
Mike, they all came to your video for 4K testing for some reason. Don't let them get to you, I play most games at 200p. Sure, they're DOS, but it's what it takes for that smooth 24 fps.
Haha. Maybe they didn't see WHY we tested how we tested.
They just want the graphs to be a completely vertical wall.
I play text based rpgs and this bad boy gets me 1 million fps
Imagine a 12 core, single CCD, X3D chip
Then imagine Turbo mode on that (SMT OFF)
You'll have 12 cores (and 12T) that are super powerful, while still having respectable multi threaded performance
You won't see that. Next CCD core count step up is 16 cores and won't be ready before 2027-2028.
@Dr.WhetFarts Yeah, I'm hoping Zen 6 would do that. We need more cores per CCD
Keep testing in 720p. Don't pay attention to brain dead comments of people who are not capable of understanding basics in CPU testing methodology. It shows their ignorance in full public view.
I see that there are still a lot of people who need to be educated on what a CPU does for a gaming PC. The reason gaming benchmarks for CPUs test at low resolution and detail is because the CPU will determine your MAX FPS in games. In most situations you will run into a GPU bottleneck before a CPU bottleneck if you have a well balanced system however there are still CPU bound games where you will notice a tangible difference even at higher resolutions like MMOs, strategy games, and Tarkov.
Naturally if you only play at 4K max settings with a 4090 a lot of modern CPUs will give the exact same result because you will be heavily GPU bottlenecked.
great review! thank you so much sir.
Imagine complaining about the res of the benchmarks. Lmao 😂 lower res is better to show the full potential of the cpu. When gpus get stronger it will show the cpu being able to provide more performance
Wow .. I took a used PC with a 7800x3d few months before. Was skeptical if it would stay relevant once 9800x3D comes out. And I'm happy that the gamble paid off 😅.
Its a great review actually, the 720p results are very helpful as they simulate the use of a 5090 later down the line.
Bullshit!
Based on the results im seeing from multiple reviewers from the 9800X3D, im very excited to see what the 9950X3D can do, hopefully it blows the doors off of everything.
Current 5800X3D owner. I know I'm purchasing the 9800X3D first thing Thursday morning as I already purchased a X870P MB and 64GB 6400MT/s RAM. Not a bad upgrade for less than $1,000 coming from AM4. Probably upgrade to 8300MT/s RAM If it's beneficial.
Theres diminishing returns or even negative with speeds too high since latency increases. 6000mt cl28 is usually better than 6800 cl 34 and so on. Its the combination that counts, although the performance impact is usually close to negligible.
Finally a reviewer with a good selection of games.
Really good to see bump in Ghz, lower TDP/Temp and overall gain, though not substantial compared to 78--X3D, but still overall good package.. Will upgrade next year from my current 7700X running with 32GB/6400 CL32 along with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro & nVidia 3800Ti (hopefully will have budget to upgrade GPU as well).
720p benchmarks are AWESOME for those of us still using CRT monitors, mine can do 1920x1440 but i like the look of 1280x800 and 1280x960.
Thanks for this very well done video.
Thank you for running rocket league benchmarks!
Awesome stuff! Can we begin to add Diablo 4 to this list? Also, League of Legends (typically cpu bound) is rumored to update client for next year. :)
We've been looking to remove some titles and add others. However, I want to wait until 2025 to do that since there are some in-game security updates (which will require VBS enablement) and engine changes that might impact our choices.
Keeping my RAM and CPU cooler last year in February and going for a 5800X3D and B550 board seems to have been a VERY good decision (a friend bought my B450 board together with my 3700X). Especially considering I am gaming in 4K. Still the performance of the 9800X3D is outstanding.
Also thank you for the well done and well made test! I've been following you guys since years now and I'm sure I'm not the only person from Germany here enjoying your content. Keep it up!
Looks like I'll be returning to AMD for the first time in over 20yrs, though waiting to see what the 9950X3D brings before taking the plunge....
Absolutely awesome review. I like the inclusion of 720P ;-) I like your laidback style, I wouldn't mind going out and drinking a couple of beers with you ;-) Cheers and kudos
i love my 7800x3d but i will love even more when i will have 9950x3d it has dual ccd x3d cache
:d I just wait for it ! :D
The 720P testing here is a proxy for what you might get with a 5090 at 1080P.
Great review, ty!
this thing is amazing. Will we be able to get one at msrp or what
I'm assuming a phantom spirit would be enough for this, but would like to see a test regardless. thanks for the videos.
New x870e board + 64g ddr already here, 9800x3d will be bought tomorrow.
Finally my 4090 Strix can stretch its legs (and my 5800x3d goes into another rig). And now waiting for 5090...will be an awesome combo.
😍
I have an R7-5800X3D coupled with an RX 7900 XTX and 32GB of DDR4-3600 CL18.
I probably won't feel any need to upgrade until AM6 comes along. 😁
Thank you, Mike. Waiting for new CPU cooler tests with 9800X3D. 🥰
This next GPU generation better be good
This new turbo mode looks promising. But will the results change if you have a bunch of browser tabs open along with Discord, spotify and other such apps? (Apps that people keep open while playing games)
get well soon, but great review...
Since you guys are Canadian reviewers, you should include Canadian pricing. Such a pain trying to find non-US pricing -_-"
That is the issue, we rarely if ever get CAD pricing prior to launch or even before items start appearing at retailers.
It's okay. On the internet, unless mentioned, it's default to USD.
Canadians are better. We can function in USD, pounds, feet, Fahrenheit
I have never purchased an amd cpu before, but Intel has really stopped the ball over the last few years so I think when the 5090 comes out I’ll be picking this up also.
I actually think 720p and 1440p Low might be the better two resolutions to test at. 720p to remove as much GPU bottleneck as possible, as you've stated (and is super appreciated!), but then 1440p Low to more reflect the monitors people who are interest in HFR are actually running with. The 1080p 480+Hz monitors are quite rare and have a lot of compromises (size for LG's dual mode, LCD panels for the others), while the 1440p 240/360Hz WOLEDs and QD-OLEDs have been just absolutely destroying these last two years. I think 1080p for e-sports nowadays is essentially dead for all but legitimate professionals (and even that I wonder), especially once the 5090 comes out.
Also, I think Highest settings is a mistake that's not adding much value. I feel like most "competitive gamers" set the render resolution to match their panel, start at Low settings, and then only turn up the eye candy when it's not causing them to drop below 10-15% of the max. Which is still damn hard to do with even 4090s, now that we're making 360+Hz the HFR norm. In non-competitive games they may turn them up to Medium/High-ish, but never to Highest because we are continuously told the marginal benefit of the most extreme Graphics settings is usually dramatically smaller than the tradeoff in GPU render time. Or maybe, consider doing CS2/OW/Valorant/etc. on 1440p Low, and things like Hogwarts Legacy/CP2077 on 1440p High-ish "Recommended" settings, for a sort of "realistic HFR gaming" profile.
6:16 it's a wrap😂
🙃🙃
Nice 😊
I plan on waiting on the 9950X3D so I can do content creation and gaming in Linux.
If I was building an AM5 system now, I'd get a 7800X3D and wait for Zen 6. The performance increase isn't worth the power gain IMO.
Bruh 7800x3d is $450 lol. 9800x3d is $479. It’s obvious which one to buy. Unless you bought the 7800x 3d when it was $300
There's only a notable power gain in all-core productivity workloads. In gaming power draw is essentially identical (+/-10W).
So many people arguing that 720 is irrelevant in 2024, guys this is a ******* benchmark video, a few years from now when games start getting heavier on the CPU side (hopefully not too soon), these 720p numbers will be reflected in higher resolutions
Bingo. 🙏
Does it make sense to pair this CPU with my 4080 Super?
I game at 1440p UW
Using a a 5800X3D currently
Makes sense
Yes, if you have 144 Hz minimum.
Yes but not worth upgrading from your 5800x3d. unless you are extremely competitive player who have 360hz monitor or you mostly play cpu hog games like flight sim, cities skylines, teardown, beamng drive (with tons of traffic), basically any tycoon, management, flight simulator, large scale strategy, and physics heavy games.
Damn, with this 9800x3d, AM5 longevity is pretty much guaranteed to at least match the AM4
Should I upgrade my 7800x3d for the new 9800x3d
No
@@HardwareCanucksThnx for the reply! That i was thinking to ask you! 👍
Turbo mode 1% lows look insanely good
This chip coming so quick after the 7800x3D which also burst through a ceiling when compared to the competition is unparalleled has this sort of gain been seen before ?
... Coming so quick? O_o There was a longer time gap between the 7800X3D & 9800X3D (≈1.5 years) than there was between the 5800X3D & 7800X3D (≈1 year). 🤷
So if im gaming at 4k with a 4090 and a 5800x3d, pass on the 9800x3d?
Generally yes because you are WAY within GPU limitation territory.
13:08 not only silicon lottery. AMD isn't just binning these chips heavily, I suspect very much, that the v cash is making them more efficient, and therefore you have benefits from that too
We went from Intel fighting with AMD to Intel fighting itself and losing bruh 😵💫
Thank you so much for 720p testing :3 ✨🤍✨
A great CPU if you can find one. I may finally build a Zen 5 system so get cranking AMD and make more X3D,s
(puts feet up in in recliner) Ahhhhhhhhhh my 5800X3D is doing just fine at 1440p lol
Great video, but I don't understand why 720p is relevant. Since 1080p is the most common resolution, that should serve as the base. This can then be compared with 1440p. Or am I missing something here?
It isn't about popularity. Its about removing bottlenecks so the CPUs can largely stand on their own.
@HardwareCanucks We would like to know if 9800x3d makes sense for resolutions higher than 1080p. Is my money better spent on 9700x if I use 1440p monitor?
@@anatolpiotrowski9728 valid point, I game at 4k cos I mostly play open world rpg type stuff and like my visuals, but I'm still curious what cpu upgrade is most worthwhile to me, especially as my 10600K is due for replacement after Christmas....I understand why 1080p is used predominantly, but just a brief bit of 4k comparison would be much appreciated
@@martinarscott3524it will still be 9800X3D because the huge cache makes the 1% frame more stable..
Cuz when you are benchmarking cpu you never ever want any other hardware aside the cpu to be bottlenecked ,
Just like the 5800X3D was a revolutionary CPU, so is the 9800X3D with its new architecture and overclockability, low power draw and low temps. But it's not good enough to open my wallet and change out my 7800X3D.
I'm between the 5950x and the 5800x3D 😭 to pair with a rx 6800 xt (am4)
I'm a gamer, but I want to edit, code, encode and much more...
I know, one is better for gaming and the other for the rest...
Should I get another cpu?
Help, anyone... 😢
if you already have good am4 mobo,go with 5900x,5950x is to expensive for 2020 cpu,5900x you can encode edit and decent gaming experience,better than 5800x3d for multitasking,just give it at least 32gig and good nvme
Instead go for a much cheaper 5700X3D.
@@razor19829or get the 5900XT potebtially. It's just a foenclocked cheaper 5950X.
Damn dude, AMD names already are pretty difficult to understand, you could explain that the first one was repeated just to Add Turbo or you could just give the same name to R7 9800X3D and the Plus Turbo.
The 7800x3d wasn't a good upgrade from my 5800x3d due to a complete platform change.
This 9800x3d might be enough of a uplift to justify the $1K upgrade to AM5.
Since most initial numbers are when paired with a 4090, I'll wait to see what the benchmark is on my card, RTX 4070 TI Super.
5800X3D to 9800X3D is for sure a nice upgrade.
@@Dr.WhetFarts For gaming I don't think so. People with mid to higher end graphics cards play at 1440p or 4K with higher settings. There would be little to no difference for gaming. For productivity stuff or gaming at 720p/1080p low settings, sure there is a difference 🤣
Inalillahi Intel 🙏
Mike we need more cooler review and more cooler round up.
Working on it.
Wait for the 9950x3D prey it has duel V-cache 🙏
Bruh.
I think the 9800X3D will be the "sweet spot" for gamers for price vs performance. Remember, the dual CCD designs still have some hiccups in consistency from one game to another, to the point where the 9700X / 9600X can match or beat them overall.
@HardwareCanucks I was hoping they'd try something different this gen maybe next gen well have a 16c CCD for the 10800x3d.
9950X3D will be pointless for gamers, just like 7950X3D. 7800X3D beats it overall. Single CCD chips is better for gaming.
@Dr.WhetFarts hence why with cache changes I'd hoped they'd ironed that out but I suppose they have no reason to make something new until there is a reason to try instead of slapping new # on the box.
Nvidia is taking the high end GPU throne, while AMD is taking the high end gaming CPU throne. I suppose Intel is still good at productivity and budget CPUs. The hardware prices overall though...
Yeah it isn't really the price of the CPUs...its the whole platform cost that's gone crazy.
ngl i thought amd had better budget due to intel motherboards being a bit pricy
If you are serious about productivity, AMD has way better CPU to handle your need....
need more games that have trouble hitting 60fps because they are so cpu demanding. dragons dogma 2 in the city and star citizen both need high end cpus just to touch 60fps no matter the graphics
Star Citizen is in eternal beta phase so I wouldn't use that as a bellwether for CPU performance. As for Dragon's Dogma 2, we don't have any experience with it but I'd hazard a guess that its a lot like the area where we test in BG3; there's a ton of NPC's in the city so the focus is put heavily on CPU performance.
@@HardwareCanucks im just trying to think of any game that modern cpus struggle to hold 60 fps
if i pair it with a 4070 super in 1440p playing mostly mmos (cpu demanding games) will i see any difference compare to 7800x3d?
I think is the best gaming cpu in the future 2025.
Intel needs to release an 8 p-core and Zero e-core Arrow Lake.
where is the turbo setting in the taichi x870E board bios?
My 5950X still going Hard
I think you should test 2k too 9800x3d still better just not as much that large number but in 2k i think it stil big enough to consider.
No Words to Overclock Function?
Sadly we didn't have the time.
For 1080p is the 9800x3d good for it
Great for it! Probably the best if it doesn't have stutter above 300fps like other Ryzen CPUs
misleading, 720p LOW vs 1080p Max, why nopt 720p low vs 1080p low???
Nobody used CUDIMM on the 9800X3D... or even tested it... who will be the first? Crazy that Avatar and Forza 5 in 720p are TWICE as fast as in 1080p... what the hell. And triple FPS in warhammer. wtf
Well in Warhammer 720p we use low settings which make the game look terrible...BUT those settings are there mostly to make the title as accessible as possible. Meanwhile at Ultra settings it looks amazing.
Goodbye Intel. Hello AMD
In vr sims where I'm using super sampling at well over 4k I guess my 7800x3d is going to be gpu limited for quite some time..... !
Smt is better at doing a lot of small things. In games where you sometimes have big things to calculate, smt will bottleneck the core (atleast how I understand it).
Gotta start using at least 7200 on Intel. It's not expensive and 6000 is a joke.
Great review, thank you very much! I heard your warning about the turbo flag being enabled and how it regresses the FPS while playing Starfield. You have wasted your time even testing that game, imo. If somebody buys this CPU to play Starfield, then that person has a whole different set of psychological problems that need to be addressed first before they worry about FPS regressions.
Personally, I quite enjoyed the time I spent on Starfield. It was only about 15 hours but I didn't mind it.
A lot of people liked Starfield. When it originally came out it reviewed very well. The hate campaign against it is a more modern thing, especially with the incredibly meh expansion.
My 5700x3d is punching 285k in the mouth in other games!
Yeah, that was a shock to us.
5700X3D looks very similar to the 9700x for gaming.