I congratulate Ian for going full masochist. A MAC 35 and a MAS 36 would have been a more reasonable proposition, but no, He suffers for our entertainment.
@@dther6314 I beg to differ. The inner struggles and sufferings of our Lord & Savior are unfathomable by us miserable sinners, the smooth operation of the Lebel is all we could see.
that's also why gas mask tend to have the can offset to the left. when you have a gas mask with 2 cans whatever side you shoulder your rifle you just cannot aim because the cans are in the way
Ian is unfortunately shell-shocked, claiming that right-handed guns are fine, and tactical really is _tacticool._ Karl is currently saving up money to pre-order new firearms from Shotshow because of how “innovative” everybody is.
@@agentwashingtub9167 it may have something to do with Arizona having the highest rate of coronavirus transmission in the world... Literally. They also have the highest deaths per capita. Not good. They're probably just trying to not die.
It's a pity that almost all media on post apocalyptic genre turns into 80's leather fetishist fantasy mixed with stone age instead of 1860's-1920's setting.
Does it look like the one in this video, or does it have a hose and a filter? If it has a hose and a filter, and your granddad served in the US Army, he more than likely had a C.E. mask, or Corrected English mask, as it was based off of the British Small Box Respirator. Very good mask for the era, not the peak of technology for that era, but it worked well and were obviously built well, considering how many of those masks are still around today.
That is incredible! From what I have read Eparges was a particularly brutal battle. I suppose every battle is brutal if you are there. As a child I was given my Great Grandfather's WW1 Gas Mask. 103rd Infantry, 26th "Yankee" Division Maine National Guard. He was gassed at the Argonne and eventually died of pneumonia several years later in part from the damage done to his lungs. Sadly the mask deteriorated and got thrown away before I grew old enough to appreciate what I had.
The Britsh P (Phenate) or PH (Phenate Hexamine) hoods were of a thicker material, over all. As blue grey colour.They were fitted with an exteranl Donald Duck flappy valve. Even when the Small Box Resperatior was introduced they were still carried for emergency use. When digging on the Western Front you often find a small circular tin about inch and half across by half inch deep with a screw top Marked Compound Anti Fogging, so knowen problem. :-)
That would be so frustrating in a tense situation... you would just want to take it off but also wouldn’t want to risk being gassed by some horrible ww1 concoction
It was a major part of the gas warfare strategy. Days long gas attacks were not so much designed to kill but to tire out soldiers from having to wear those things 24/7 including sleeping in them.
It is really good. I've seen more interesting gun and ballistic content here than the slew of other creators have managed to crank out. And Ian always has something new.
@@alexyo3927 I have a great collection of the NRA magazine 'Rifleman' from 1948 until 1970 and it was a seminal publication. It covered all aspects of firearms from ballistics and reloading to gunsmithng and firearm history. This channel is almost exactly like that magazine. My opinion is that you'd have to look pretty hard to learn as much from another channel.
Ian seems happy to be in the same bracket as me. I've been consistantly "not last" at everything my whole life. You ain't gotta be the best, as long as you give it a good effort and have fun.
In a lot of stuff, complete is a lot of the way to compete. You finish a half Marathon or sprint triathlon. Being in the bottom 25% is still better than 85% of the population.
I’m in the bottom 1/3 very often. But I’ve still managed some high score positions as well. Keep dry firing and enter as many as you can. When I hit 10 or more events per year I score much higher.
@@letsburn00 That logic falls flat at University or at work. If you are in the bottom 25% in terms of best engineer, sure, you might be a better engineer than 99% of people, but you still suck as an engineer.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me That is true for professions where there is a level of expertise and achievement. I actually am an Engineer professionally. However, for fitness, I feel like being in the top 15% of the general population is a perfectly adequate level which was my point. Its also best to not get discouraged when you enter into elite level events, which I think is a big risk. I have a life philosophy I call "1 skill point" which indicates it's best to have things I'm highly skilled in as a profession and major hobbies, but it's good to know the basics of many skills such as shooting, lockpicking (I was watching deviants videos long before we was on inrange) to how to sew my own pants, since to know the basics puts you at a huge advantage over the unaware. Though I don't have the time to make them a major focus. In a way it's like swimming, it's enormously better to be a capable swimmer vs not being able to swim at all.
Irony is Ian is handicapping himself in multiple ways as well, using it left-handed and not single-loading once he expended the first magazine. Hopefully, he does it again with the lessons learned this time so he can really show off what a wizard of warfare this gun was in 1888 when it was the fusile par excellence.
0:05 the day the range safety officer calls in more range safety officers. Good for you coming not last on stage one, and I hope those 3 people had a lovely day at the range.
Pretty sure loads of the lads called them exactly that, the Feed Bag. Feed Bag being worn this year by all fashionistas, with the always stylish Battle Bowler.
not too far off actually, the allied powers made such gasmasks for horses also, in similar design, and same for the opposing nations also. Horses played a major role in The Great War.
This helps bring home a small aspect of the misery that a front line infantryman had to suffer through. Trying to fight and defend yourself with a fogged up mask must be terrifying. I appreciate their service more with each detail I learn of their lives.
Yes, or maybe not condensation. The glass would start off in the morning covered in dew which would slowly evaporate with the heat from the wearer's skin???
I'm sure they had to use soap or spit and smear it on the lenses or it would be unusable or they just prayed for their lives and they couldn't see a thing
At the Austrian Army we did some shooting drills with masks as well. I couldn´t really get a good sight picture through the scope on the AUG so I used the backup sights on top of the optic.That worked reasonably well.
Gas Mask Isolation is such a strange feeling! I totally get it! I wore a gasmask to a Con as apart of my cosplay... and that dissociation was not only unnerving but also difficult to shake off. It eventually "wore off" as time went by and I found ways to use body language to communicate with my friends and strangers... but it was rough!
Ian highlights a very technical concern on the French gas mask. Since it fogs up so much while breathing in an arid environment (cold environments make that way worse) and the physical workload was high, French infantrymen had the choice of either breathing or aiming correctly. Considering that they were shelled with HE, gas or small arms fire, that is frankly terrifying and under-discussed in this topic.
Ean forgot the number one thing about gas mask, old timely gas masks in particular, always apply thin layer of soap on the visor to prevent fogging. the same thing is applicable in modern times if you wear glasses and mask. Also the other seven competitors were shooting what? Matchlocks?
as someone who wears glasses and used to commute to work by motorcycle during the before times sometimes it's just so cold and damp that none of the anti fog tricks work and you just have to open that visor and freeze your face. I imagine gas masks can also get to that point in some conditions (and that WW1 Flanders could reliably supply those conditions throughout the winter months).
@@DAKOTA56777 yes they make a huge difference but when you walk out of a nice centrally heated house into below zero temperatures on a winter morning there's a limit to what they can do.
I have never done competitive shooting, so I can say with some confidence that I have no idea how they work. That being said, the voice overs narrating the last couple of these helps not only with my interest engagement, but also helps me follow and understand what is actually happening. So, thanks!
You have my respect for running this. Those M2’s will fog with cold, hot, and perfect weather. I can’t imagine how much sensory depravation would occur with that mask on. It would be a total nightmare trying to make sense of the situation during a gas offense/defense.
He is really familiar with 2 gun matches. Familiarity can be a big help with these, especially with weird requirements. They couldve OverTimed on more stages.
@@asherhockersmith8271 I'm in the planning stage of making a few similar videos like Ian about my own guns, i've got an general interest in it nevermind the planning stage for this has been going on for probably a year already and not gotten anywhere....sometime!
A Point about the fogging up of the Gasmask. As I am aware there are anti Fog Sticks they used on the lenses so stop that problem. The germans on the Gasmask 17/18 used "Klarscheiben". A piece of gelatine that was placed insinde the lenses that should soak up the water so the lens would not fog up.
The guy with the shot timer should have used a calendar! Great video! It gives a good sense of how miserable it must have been for the soldiers who actually has to use that stuff.
@@brittakriep2938 yes, main reason for not wearing ear plugs in battle is not being able to hear orders, but with artillery you may as well as you won't be able to hear anything anyways
How's the timing on the revolver cylinder? I found one of these 1892 Revolvers hiding in the back of a local gun shop and the timing seems to be less than perfect on it. Also I'm impressed with how quickly you were able to reload that thing on the clock. Also loved the chorus of "awws" at the end of the last stage when you parred out haha 8:29
just a tip from diving, try spitting on the glas, rubbing it around and then wiping it off with a wet rag, thats supposed to stop it from fogging up, or if you dont fancy spitting on something you want to wear, you can buy specializes fluid from diving shops
I'm glad I wasn't the only on who had a dumpster fire at that match. I had all kinds of issue with fogging glasses as I couldn't take my mask off since I was running suppressed and the RO had to stay close. On top of that I couldn't hit anything on that 125-ish yard stage and I didn't figure out I was skipping the rounds in with my AR9 until much later (they were just randomly hitting "around"
Good thing you didn't use the first idea they had for a gas mask which was a cloth mask that they would use urine on. Ewww. They found out pretty quick that those didn't do well. One other quick thing about WW1 was that many soldiers died from gas but not in the way you'd think. They would get the gas on their clothing and it would freeze onto their clothing and when they would go back to their bunkers and would warm up the gas would steam from their clothing killing all the soldiers in the bunker. WW1 in my opinion must have been the most miserable of any war ever fought. Great video by the way.
For reference Ian, back then gas masks where supplied with a tube of grease, you would apply a thin film to the lences and it would stop them from fogging so heavily.
On the single-feed vs tube-fed issue, there is an aspect of the Lebel that is often overlooked. The military usage doctrine was to load the tube, then single feed the rifle, hence the magazine cut-off. Using the magazine was done on command only, for example to repeal an enemy assault (like switching on full auto is not left to soldier's own initiative in many armies). So really, the Lebelbwas neant as a single-shot rifle like the Gras but with an emergency magazine. Remember the Lebel came about 10 years before the Mauser or the Mosin. You coukd almost say it's a transitional weapon between single-shot rifles and mag-fed rifles. Also remember that soldiers fight as a group. Not everyone would be reloading at the same time.
Now these are getting interesting. Suggestions for further features to make the matches a more complete experience. 1. Raw pork shoulders and roasts. You may have to cover them up at night to keep the animals out of them. But as they sit in the sun for a few days they should add a realistic element that for too often gets overlooked. The gas mask may help in this situation. 2. Ipecac/laxatives. Nothing simulates the gut wrenching fear of trench warfare, a questionable diet and lack of sanitation, like true gut wrenching. How many shots can you get on target while deciding which end of the GI tract needs the most attention. And a distinct lack of a change of clothes in the AZ sun, should add to the appreciation of those brave young men of a century ago. 3. Smoke. Burning tires may not be ecologically friendly. But they do serve several functions. Not only will they obscure the course, adding the element of "friendly fire", but they could also simulate a gas attack. "Which way will the wind blow?". "How fast can I get my mask on?". "Did I hit my target?" and "who's that screaming?". All for the price of some used motor oil and a few tires you found on your way to the course. A bargain.
Simply wow. To shoot and hit nothing because you can`t see your target is frustrating as hell. To remain calm is not an easy job. Last stage was a blast.
I love that he wears a horizon blue pullover. The illusion is there! Also the gas mask... He didn't even go for the ARS-17,no! Straight to the M2 model!
One time, I was an extra for a TV documentary. We had to rush out of a trench and run, in full WWI dress and gears, with the Rosalie bayonet at the end of my Lebel ... and with that gaz mask (an original one). After five paces, my mask started sliding down. I couldn't see a thing and I fell. I was scared to stick my pointy Rosalie into some other guys ... I kept my Lebel straight up for the rest of the scene up until the director yeld CUT. How crazy that would have been, 100 years ago ! Poor men !
thanks ian.didnt mention that as a southpaw you can load the lebel faster than a conventional revolver! also cleared up a mystery.in foreign legion movies you always see them reloading after every shot despite having bolt action rifles you have explained it.
Really enjoy this kinda stuff. In many ways the gear is more important then the gun. If you can't carry the gun comfortably and even see down the sights effectively what's the point
25 years ago, when I joined the forces, we were uaing soap, dry to rub the mask glass. This was a crude but quite efective method to avoid have a fogged gas mask.
It's kind of mind blowing to think about how far gas mask tech has come. I used to have to wear a full filtered half face mask 8-10 hrs a day in 40+C (>110F) at work. I can't imagine fighting WW1 in the middle East with this kind of kit, worried about a gas shell.
A tip for foggy optics- a very thin layer of wax. I lived in AZ for thirty years. Early on I found a can of "Sno-Seal" brand wax made for gloves and boots and whatnot. One extremely rare foggy morning I tried it on my glasses and wow, no fog! Since moving to the Pacific Northwet I've found it still works up here. Give it a try. (I AM NOT AFFILIATED< CLOSE COVER BEFORE STRIKING)
In WWI and WWII, men used a substance sort of like soap to rub on the inside of the lenses to reduce fogging. U.S. gas masks had a little can in the bag called an "anti dim cloth."
If you do this kinda thing again, leave the mask inside your jacket in the car on the way there and don't take it out until you're ready to shoot, let it get up to body temperature and the fog won't be as bad for a while, same trick works for glasses
For some reason those flat-face WWI gas mask are like one of the most terrifying pieces of military attire ever created by mankind. Have you seen pictures of French trench raiders wearing those? Blood-chilling sight.
old scuba divers trick - 2 drops of dish washing soap in an old plastic 35mm film canister - fill with water - shake - rub the soapy water on the inside of the lenses -prevents fogging
I seem to recall reading it was common for French soldiers to load a full tube initially, shoot it, and then single-load until the fighting lulled so they could reload the tube. After seeing how long it took you to load a partial tube, that makes a lot more sense.
Makes me wonder how well Ian would perform in these matches if he didn't willfully handicap himself with this kind of gear. No to mention the fact he also physically handicapped by his crippling disability...his left handedness.
I'm cross dominate (right handed and left dominate eye) and also fire bolt actions, you really get used to it eventually but its always funny when you get looks on the range.
I don't know which is crazier, that he managed to hit anything at all with a service rifle over 100 years old through foggy lenses or that three people did worse presumably without any extra deliberate handicaps.
And that's on a clear sunny day. Imagine trying to do anything in this mask while surrounded by thick clouds of chlorine, with the damn thing barely keeping it out, knee-deep in mud, under non-stop machinegun fire and being shelled to hell.
I congratulate Ian for going full masochist. A MAC 35 and a MAS 36 would have been a more reasonable proposition, but no, He suffers for our entertainment.
well, he didn't suffer with the Lebel, the last run was pretty clean, but the Gas Mask was a full masochist move
@@dther6314 I beg to differ. The inner struggles and sufferings of our Lord & Savior are unfathomable by us miserable sinners, the smooth operation of the Lebel is all we could see.
We need more 2 gun drills in historical full CBRN gear! Taking the masochism to the next level, full MOPP suit and all.
He could have also done it in 1914 French Uniform. That would have been full masochist.
@@TeeBar420 Only if in full Curassier regalia, helmet and Berthier carbine.
On the bright side, your enemy had to wear gas masks too, and they were almost all equally terrible back then!
You can still find gasmasks for industry etc. in Germany, looking similar to wwl ones.
But contrary to french mask, the german ones worked
@@hp9857 who needs working gas masks when you have a piss cloth!
@@hp9857 yeah the german design was better at the beginning, it had widder glasses than the french one if I remember correctly.
@@hp9857 and honnestly, even the french design was great compared to the british PH helmet.
Now the fact that you can't aim down sights when wearing a gas mask in Bf1 makes sense.
They put one realistic aspect of WWI armed conflict into the game and it was that one.
I see you're still caught up in the Great War, Hubert.
Man, even with modern gas masks it sucks.
It always made sense
that's also why gas mask tend to have the can offset to the left. when you have a gas mask with 2 cans whatever side you shoulder your rifle you just cannot aim because the cans are in the way
Karl was in the Zone and Ian was in the trenches on the Western Front. I hope both of them are now safe. 😉
Ian is unfortunately shell-shocked, claiming that right-handed guns are fine, and tactical really is _tacticool._ Karl is currently saving up money to pre-order new firearms from Shotshow because of how “innovative” everybody is.
Only the Man in the High Castle can keep track of these alternate universes and their effects on our heroes.
@@agentwashingtub9167 ian has been super busy apparently and on top of that Sinsteral has mostly been voice.
@@agentwashingtub9167 it may have something to do with Arizona having the highest rate of coronavirus transmission in the world... Literally. They also have the highest deaths per capita. Not good.
They're probably just trying to not die.
Ian getting ready for WW1 part 2.
Ian gonna need artillery and gas for part 3
WW1 3.0
It's a pity that almost all media on post apocalyptic genre turns into 80's leather fetishist fantasy mixed with stone age instead of 1860's-1920's setting.
@@TheArklyte incel synthwave retrofuturism vs. CHAD STEAMPUNK-DIESELPUNK SYNERGY
@@bathshebahubber614 more like alcoholpunk or woodgasgeneratorpunk tbh
Ian enters the zone to gather supplies.
Have you watched Karl's video on Inrange? He went max Russian.
Entering the Zone, it's no Roadside picnic.
He heard a rumour about a rare French rifle hidden somewhere in there.
"Tovarisch, do you have any .32 French Longue?"
Le Stalkeur.
Ian enters the zone in search of more French Long ammo
Even just watching that first stage, it felt like the longest 200 seconds ever, i can only imagine how it felt for Ian
what did the people run that scored even worse? guns without sights?
Probably didnt managed to hit anything or dq's. Muzzle sweeping and gun malfunction too
Muskets, maybe?
Bow and arrow
@@joaogomes9405 Bow & arrow would prob. have performed well in comparison...
Plastic bag in place of the gas mask
I have my grandfather's gas mask dating from 1916. He was in the 2nd engineer regiment and started in the "Eparges" near Verdun
That is really cool! Thank you for sharing that story!
I have his canteen and a German bayonet. Thats my great grandfathers stuff
Does it look like the one in this video, or does it have a hose and a filter? If it has a hose and a filter, and your granddad served in the US Army, he more than likely had a C.E. mask, or Corrected English mask, as it was based off of the British Small Box Respirator. Very good mask for the era, not the peak of technology for that era, but it worked well and were obviously built well, considering how many of those masks are still around today.
@@ShogunMongol
he is like the one presented. I specify that I am French.
Sorry for my English!
That is incredible! From what I have read Eparges was a particularly brutal battle. I suppose every battle is brutal if you are there. As a child I was given my Great Grandfather's WW1 Gas Mask. 103rd Infantry, 26th "Yankee" Division Maine National Guard. He was gassed at the Argonne and eventually died of pneumonia several years later in part from the damage done to his lungs. Sadly the mask deteriorated and got thrown away before I grew old enough to appreciate what I had.
The Britsh P (Phenate) or PH (Phenate Hexamine) hoods were of a thicker material, over all. As blue grey colour.They were fitted with an exteranl Donald Duck flappy valve. Even when the Small Box Resperatior was introduced they were still carried for emergency use. When digging on the Western Front you often find a small circular tin about inch and half across by half inch deep with a screw top Marked Compound Anti Fogging, so knowen problem. :-)
Ian saw Karl's kit and was like, "I see your cheeki breeki Soviet Stalker and raise you a baguette WW1 French Stalker."
baguette french stalker doesnt survive long
@@CssHDmonster shure he does. He just quits early.
@@kentlindal5422 both wrong: he holds out for all of Verdun and wins the first war
@@lukeperry1891 the french have still won more battles than any other nation in history.
@@mathieushifera135 “Ils ne passeront pas!”
Star wars: "I can't see a thing in this helmet!"
WWI soldier: "Lemme tell you about real poor visibility..."
That would be so frustrating in a tense situation... you would just want to take it off but also wouldn’t want to risk being gassed by some horrible ww1 concoction
It was a major part of the gas warfare strategy. Days long gas attacks were not so much designed to kill but to tire out soldiers from having to wear those things 24/7 including sleeping in them.
You know I think this is the best outfit featured on UA-cam
It is really good. I've seen more interesting gun and ballistic content here than the slew of other creators have managed to crank out. And Ian always has something new.
@@alexyo3927 I have a great collection of the NRA magazine 'Rifleman' from 1948 until 1970 and it was a seminal publication. It covered all aspects of firearms from ballistics and reloading to gunsmithng and firearm history. This channel is almost exactly like that magazine. My opinion is that you'd have to look pretty hard to learn as much from another channel.
@@alexyo3927 lolololololol.... Couldn't agree more
"No worries, spooky phantom Ian isn't real and can't shoot you"
Spooky phantom Ian:
Spooky phantom Ian can certainly shoot _at_ you. Whether or not he hits you is up in the air.
Ian seems happy to be in the same bracket as me. I've been consistantly "not last" at everything my whole life. You ain't gotta be the best, as long as you give it a good effort and have fun.
In a lot of stuff, complete is a lot of the way to compete.
You finish a half Marathon or sprint triathlon. Being in the bottom 25% is still better than 85% of the population.
I believe in you, Guy. Don't give up. One day you will be first.
I’m in the bottom 1/3 very often. But I’ve still managed some high score positions as well. Keep dry firing and enter as many as you can. When I hit 10 or more events per year I score much higher.
@@letsburn00 That logic falls flat at University or at work. If you are in the bottom 25% in terms of best engineer, sure, you might be a better engineer than 99% of people, but you still suck as an engineer.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me That is true for professions where there is a level of expertise and achievement. I actually am an Engineer professionally. However, for fitness, I feel like being in the top 15% of the general population is a perfectly adequate level which was my point. Its also best to not get discouraged when you enter into elite level events, which I think is a big risk.
I have a life philosophy I call "1 skill point" which indicates it's best to have things I'm highly skilled in as a profession and major hobbies, but it's good to know the basics of many skills such as shooting, lockpicking (I was watching deviants videos long before we was on inrange) to how to sew my own pants, since to know the basics puts you at a huge advantage over the unaware. Though I don't have the time to make them a major focus. In a way it's like swimming, it's enormously better to be a capable swimmer vs not being able to swim at all.
I've really wanted to see a Lebel run in a match environment ever since Hunt: Showdown got me interested in that gun. I was not disappointed at all.
Irony is Ian is handicapping himself in multiple ways as well, using it left-handed and not single-loading once he expended the first magazine. Hopefully, he does it again with the lessons learned this time so he can really show off what a wizard of warfare this gun was in 1888 when it was the fusile par excellence.
Range: due to coronavirus, we ask all competion shooters to wear masks while on our property, thank you.
Ian: let's go back home and redo my kit
I just watched the revolver bit, I’m kind of surprised that you weren’t the worst one lol
Good stuff Ian
I think those targets were at like 25 yards, that's definitely no easy stage, especially with a texas star! 🙆♂️
@@berryreading4809 oh absolutely. I wasn’t talking crap, I don’t think id have done better
That's cause it was a four way tie with three other people being a dude with a zip-22, a HEMA competitor, and the range officer's pet rock.
So with a fogged up gas mask even Ian while using a French pistol gets storm trooper aim.
0:05 the day the range safety officer calls in more range safety officers. Good for you coming not last on stage one, and I hope those 3 people had a lovely day at the range.
Try using a defogging solution available during WW1: cut off a piece of potato and rub on lens.
Or spit, it works for scuba diving.
'hey! this would be a fun idea!'
*later*
'this was not a fun idea.'
That mask looks like a horse's feed bag 🤣
Pretty sure loads of the lads called them exactly that, the Feed Bag. Feed Bag being worn this year by all fashionistas, with the always stylish Battle Bowler.
Smells like one too
*Neigh*
not too far off actually, the allied powers made such gasmasks for horses also, in similar design, and same for the opposing nations also. Horses played a major role in The Great War.
It's a surrender incentive.....
This helps bring home a small aspect of the misery that a front line infantryman had to suffer through. Trying to fight and defend yourself with a fogged up mask must be terrifying. I appreciate their service more with each detail I learn of their lives.
I love it when you do this sort of thing Ian :D
It is pretty cool. The role play shooting is cool.
Guys Ian's role-playing the zodiac killer again.
He’s too polite to be a congressmen.
@@theluftwaffle1 Theodore Cruzchev
Also shame about the gas mask, but the rifle seemed like it was doing awesome
Masks are gey and China is even geyer
@Hannibal Barca The exception of Hong Kong and Taiwan goes without saying
I'd be the guy who comes with ar-15 and red dot only to lose severely to Ian with WW1 gear and foggy gas mask...
I'd probably still enjoy it!
*lose
@@Eidolon1andOnly good point, thanks :)
If condensation is an issue in Arizona; you'd be boned in France and Belgium.
Yes, or maybe not condensation.
The glass would start off in the morning covered in dew which would slowly evaporate with the heat from the wearer's skin???
It's a pretty cold range. It's right by a big wash, I was there the other day and it was 40 degrees at first shot.
@@893R6-w8t Most the snow is off the ground here.
Might be back come Tuesday.
Put oil on goggle easy fix
I'm sure they had to use soap or spit and smear it on the lenses or it would be unusable or they just prayed for their lives and they couldn't see a thing
At the Austrian Army we did some shooting drills with masks as well. I couldn´t really get a good sight picture through the scope on the AUG so I used the backup sights on top of the optic.That worked reasonably well.
The mask reminds me of the episode where Homer gets a bucket stuck on his head and they had to drill holes for his eyes. 😆
Gas Mask Isolation is such a strange feeling! I totally get it!
I wore a gasmask to a Con as apart of my cosplay... and that dissociation was not only unnerving but also difficult to shake off. It eventually "wore off" as time went by and I found ways to use body language to communicate with my friends and strangers... but it was rough!
These videos will become "going to the range" for me in the future, as the price of ammo begins to eclipse the price of gold.
Ian highlights a very technical concern on the French gas mask. Since it fogs up so much while breathing in an arid environment (cold environments make that way worse) and the physical workload was high, French infantrymen had the choice of either breathing or aiming correctly. Considering that they were shelled with HE, gas or small arms fire, that is frankly terrifying and under-discussed in this topic.
The guys who came 27th, 26th and 25th.... " I don't get it, my Brown Bess and Zip22 were good to go!"
1:10 you dont have to see the 1000 men running across the field just shot in the direction
Ean forgot the number one thing about gas mask, old timely gas masks in particular, always apply thin layer of soap on the visor to prevent fogging. the same thing is applicable in modern times if you wear glasses and mask. Also the other seven competitors were shooting what? Matchlocks?
as someone who wears glasses and used to commute to work by motorcycle during the before times sometimes it's just so cold and damp that none of the anti fog tricks work and you just have to open that visor and freeze your face. I imagine gas masks can also get to that point in some conditions (and that WW1 Flanders could reliably supply those conditions throughout the winter months).
@@misterthegeoff9767 Have you tried a dedicated anti-fogging compound? I know they exist for gas masks and other glass lenses.
@@DAKOTA56777 yes they make a huge difference but when you walk out of a nice centrally heated house into below zero temperatures on a winter morning there's a limit to what they can do.
A thin layer which, after a few months or less, degraded the skin it touched.
Very interesting to see someone try this
Well hello there
Ha ha Schrödinger is a Schröding-dong.
hey there man!
Love these sorts of videos, both the narration and the demonstration of what any sort of shooting in that gear
Your shooting with the lebel was actually quite impressive
I have never done competitive shooting, so I can say with some confidence that I have no idea how they work. That being said, the voice overs narrating the last couple of these helps not only with my interest engagement, but also helps me follow and understand what is actually happening. So, thanks!
You have my respect for running this. Those M2’s will fog with cold, hot, and perfect weather. I can’t imagine how much sensory depravation would occur with that mask on. It would be a total nightmare trying to make sense of the situation during a gas offense/defense.
To think he wasn't even the slowest here, were people using muskets and flintlocks?
He is really familiar with 2 gun matches. Familiarity can be a big help with these, especially with weird requirements. They couldve OverTimed on more stages.
I always love watching you guys run a set of period accurate guns for 2 gun matches. It's fun.
I appriciate you not throwing rounds down range when you can't see, it's something that grinds my gears when people say "ah fuck it" and fire
Bald!
Ooh I didn't know you watched forgotten weapons! You've got a whole new level of respect from me, on top of the crazy good wombletitling.
@@asherhockersmith8271 I'm in the planning stage of making a few similar videos like Ian about my own guns, i've got an general interest in it
nevermind the planning stage for this has been going on for probably a year already and not gotten anywhere....sometime!
@@Nordern Nice! Always love your videos.
@@Nordern woa
The fact that he placed decently better than dead last while using that mask says a lot!
A Point about the fogging up of the Gasmask. As I am aware there are anti Fog Sticks they used on the lenses so stop that problem. The germans on the Gasmask 17/18 used "Klarscheiben". A piece of gelatine that was placed insinde the lenses that should soak up the water so the lens would not fog up.
Can I get those for my glasses :)
@@gaw5024
I think after 100 years they might be not that effective anymore.
The guy with the shot timer should have used a calendar! Great video! It gives a good sense of how miserable it must have been for the soldiers who actually has to use that stuff.
I wish they blew the whistle first to bring more immersion
Edit: omg this is my first hundred likes thanks comrades
Good Luck Everyone.
"over the top, lads!"
There's a nasty splinter on that ladder. Bloke could hurt himself...
@@obviouspseudonym9345 Well thank you Baldrick for noticing that.
@@PobortzaPl I have a cunning plan sir...
That's why the military didn't use earplugs back then.
In wwl there had been PR in german newspapes from ,Oropax' ( Ohr is german for ear) company, showing Heavy Artillry gun crews.
@@brittakriep2938 yes, main reason for not wearing ear plugs in battle is not being able to hear orders, but with artillery you may as well as you won't be able to hear anything anyways
@@yosarianilivestech4018 : The gunners must have been nearly deaf after war.
That Lebel is a real lead tosser! Looks like a super satisfying rifle to shoot.
I read this as “terrible two gun lesbian”
Quarantine got me down bad homies. Real bad
Been exploring some other sites on the internet have we? Its ok, we don't judge, we've done so too.
Terrible two gun lesbians works just fine
Sounds like an early roger corman movie
the mask is just as scary as it is probably uncomfortable to shoot in.... :D
Uhhh....I can't tell if you mean it looks really comfy or you're afraid of a gas mask O.o
@@CrudeConduct666 It looks scary, but I'd also be scared to use it during a gas attack. Its basically a burlap sack with some eye holes in it.
I love the fact that the match barricade that says "do not shoot" is full of bullet holes.
I like the voiceovers during the shoot, Ian
How's the timing on the revolver cylinder? I found one of these 1892 Revolvers hiding in the back of a local gun shop and the timing seems to be less than perfect on it. Also I'm impressed with how quickly you were able to reload that thing on the clock.
Also loved the chorus of "awws" at the end of the last stage when you parred out haha 8:29
he is a man of pure dedication and will.
As a medic I had to qualify with my M9 wearing a M40 gas mask at night. It was pretty interesting.
just a tip from diving, try spitting on the glas, rubbing it around and then wiping it off with a wet rag, thats supposed to stop it from fogging up, or if you dont fancy spitting on something you want to wear, you can buy specializes fluid from diving shops
I'm glad I wasn't the only on who had a dumpster fire at that match. I had all kinds of issue with fogging glasses as I couldn't take my mask off since I was running suppressed and the RO had to stay close. On top of that I couldn't hit anything on that 125-ish yard stage and I didn't figure out I was skipping the rounds in with my AR9 until much later (they were just randomly hitting "around"
Good thing you didn't use the first idea they had for a gas mask which was a cloth mask that they would use urine on. Ewww. They found out pretty quick that those didn't do well. One other quick thing about WW1 was that many soldiers died from gas but not in the way you'd think. They would get the gas on their clothing and it would freeze onto their clothing and when they would go back to their bunkers and would warm up the gas would steam from their clothing killing all the soldiers in the bunker. WW1 in my opinion must have been the most miserable of any war ever fought. Great video by the way.
Similarly, some nurses are going home and stripping before they go inside.
Then showering.
NB. Some of the nerve gases utilize that behaviour.
Hey Ian, Maybe as an idea if you have access to them try this with every ‘most popular’ WW1 gas mask/pistol combo and then tell us which is the best?
It was almost wholesome at the end When everyone said aww
For reference Ian, back then gas masks where supplied with a tube of grease, you would apply a thin film to the lences and it would stop them from fogging so heavily.
On the single-feed vs tube-fed issue, there is an aspect of the Lebel that is often overlooked. The military usage doctrine was to load the tube, then single feed the rifle, hence the magazine cut-off. Using the magazine was done on command only, for example to repeal an enemy assault (like switching on full auto is not left to soldier's own initiative in many armies). So really, the Lebelbwas neant as a single-shot rifle like the Gras but with an emergency magazine. Remember the Lebel came about 10 years before the Mauser or the Mosin. You coukd almost say it's a transitional weapon between single-shot rifles and mag-fed rifles. Also remember that soldiers fight as a group. Not everyone would be reloading at the same time.
There's dudes in like full combat kits trying to look all modern SF
Then we got Ian here with his fugging f r e n c h g e a r .
"a little bit frustrating". .. I think my response to this kind of challenge would have been less charitable. 😉
4:28 Well at least that's over and it can't get any worse.................................Oh
Not your favorite piece of headgear in your collection, I'm guessing.
Now these are getting interesting.
Suggestions for further features to make the matches a more complete experience.
1. Raw pork shoulders and roasts.
You may have to cover them up at night to keep the animals out of them. But as they sit in the sun for a few days they should add a realistic element that for too often gets overlooked. The gas mask may help in this situation.
2. Ipecac/laxatives.
Nothing simulates the gut wrenching fear of trench warfare, a questionable diet and lack of sanitation, like true gut wrenching. How many shots can you get on target while deciding which end of the GI tract needs the most attention. And a distinct lack of a change of clothes in the AZ sun, should add to the appreciation of those brave young men of a century ago.
3. Smoke.
Burning tires may not be ecologically friendly. But they do serve several functions. Not only will they obscure the course, adding the element of "friendly fire", but they could also simulate a gas attack. "Which way will the wind blow?". "How fast can I get my mask on?". "Did I hit my target?" and "who's that screaming?". All for the price of some used motor oil and a few tires you found on your way to the course. A bargain.
Simply wow. To shoot and hit nothing because you can`t see your target is frustrating as hell. To remain calm is not an easy job. Last stage was a blast.
I love that he wears a horizon blue pullover. The illusion is there!
Also the gas mask...
He didn't even go for the ARS-17,no!
Straight to the M2 model!
One time, I was an extra for a TV documentary. We had to rush out of a trench and run, in full WWI dress and gears, with the Rosalie bayonet at the end of my Lebel ... and with that gaz mask (an original one). After five paces, my mask started sliding down. I couldn't see a thing and I fell. I was scared to stick my pointy Rosalie into some other guys ... I kept my Lebel straight up for the rest of the scene up until the director yeld CUT. How crazy that would have been, 100 years ago ! Poor men !
thanks ian.didnt mention that as a southpaw you can load the lebel faster than a conventional revolver! also cleared up a mystery.in foreign legion movies you always see them reloading after every shot despite having bolt action rifles you have explained it.
Without urinating on the mask to activate it, I feel the authenticity suffered!
with lice and fleas it would be much more realistic.
Who says he didn't?
That was my first thought, too. Great minds, etc. and so on...
I hate making repeat comments. Should have scrolled down...
Best video preview image of the channel
Really enjoy this kinda stuff. In many ways the gear is more important then the gun. If you can't carry the gun comfortably and even see down the sights effectively what's the point
25 years ago, when I joined the forces, we were uaing soap, dry to rub the mask glass. This was a crude but quite efective method to avoid have a fogged gas mask.
It's kind of mind blowing to think about how far gas mask tech has come.
I used to have to wear a full filtered half face mask 8-10 hrs a day in 40+C (>110F) at work. I can't imagine fighting WW1 in the middle East with this kind of kit, worried about a gas shell.
Operating theatre?
I appreciate your suffering for our entertainment. You didn't have to post it for us to see you fail and I appreciate it.
So are we going to have a third episode with Block in a British style gas mask while trying to shoot a Webley revolver.
Puts a whole new slant on the old Valley-Girl term, "Bag your face".
Ian, Ya done GOOD!! Thanks for the video, and please stay well!
For a split second I thought you were a Fahrenheit 451 fire fighter! Thumbs up Ian!
A tip for foggy optics- a very thin layer of wax. I lived in AZ for thirty years. Early on I found a can of "Sno-Seal" brand wax made for gloves and boots and whatnot. One extremely rare foggy morning I tried it on my glasses and wow, no fog! Since moving to the Pacific Northwet I've found it still works up here. Give it a try.
(I AM NOT AFFILIATED< CLOSE COVER BEFORE STRIKING)
That gas mask looks kind of plague doctor to me.
In WWI and WWII, men used a substance sort of like soap to rub on the inside of the lenses to reduce fogging. U.S. gas masks had a little can in the bag called an "anti dim cloth."
Id like to see a good overview video of that gas mask
Thanks for an interesting look at fighting with WWI equipment!
If you do this kinda thing again, leave the mask inside your jacket in the car on the way there and don't take it out until you're ready to shoot, let it get up to body temperature and the fog won't be as bad for a while, same trick works for glasses
For some reason those flat-face WWI gas mask are like one of the most terrifying pieces of military attire ever created by mankind. Have you seen pictures of French trench raiders wearing those? Blood-chilling sight.
old scuba divers trick - 2 drops of dish washing soap in an old plastic 35mm film canister - fill with water - shake - rub the soapy water on the inside of the lenses -prevents fogging
Imagine going to war with a bad gun and terrible vision. How tf did anyone managed to survive is amazing.
I seem to recall reading it was common for French soldiers to load a full tube initially, shoot it, and then single-load until the fighting lulled so they could reload the tube. After seeing how long it took you to load a partial tube, that makes a lot more sense.
spit on the lenses works with diving goggles so that might be something to try.
Or potato oil
Fun fact, spit works really well on gopro lenses to make the effects of water droplets not noticeable
That was the way I was taught in skin diving long ago. Spit in your mask and rub it around on the glass.
Makes me wonder how well Ian would perform in these matches if he didn't willfully handicap himself with this kind of gear. No to mention the fact he also physically handicapped by his crippling disability...his left handedness.
Hey, don't dis us 10 percenters!
@@dryroasted5599 I'm sorry, was I being ablist?
I'm cross dominate (right handed and left dominate eye) and also fire bolt actions, you really get used to it eventually but its always funny when you get looks on the range.
I don't know which is crazier, that he managed to hit anything at all with a service rifle over 100 years old through foggy lenses or that three people did worse presumably without any extra deliberate handicaps.
And that's on a clear sunny day. Imagine trying to do anything in this mask while surrounded by thick clouds of chlorine, with the damn thing barely keeping it out, knee-deep in mud, under non-stop machinegun fire and being shelled to hell.
On a muddy, wet november morning.
I love the narrated videos, reminds me of "Adventures with Bill"