@@phunkracy Comrade Viktor Reznov read us our fallen Comrade Chernovs diary as we sat by the fire. Chernov wrote these great tales of one 'Zampolit Collumvich'. Alleged to have fought back whole Tiger companies with his glare alone. This man struck fear into the heart of both the German Fuhrer and Comrade Stalin.
2:18 Hi Ian, Russian here. Glad you recognized the hat being anachronistic. But, that is not a WWI (Imperial) hat. It’s a revolutionary Budenov’s hat (Будённовка), adopted circa 1919 and phased out in 1940. The hat being developed for WWI and for “victory parades in Berlin and Constantinople” is a popular myth. Referring to it as Interbellum hat would be more appropriate. Even the huge red star hints that it wouldn’t be used by Russian Imperial Army in WWI. Winter war had shown that the hat does not provide enough protection against the cold, and that was the reason for replacement, in favor of Ushanka. Although, with the usual supply and logistics mess in Russia, it saw limited use in WWII.
I’ve seen pictures of Soviet servicemen still wearing Budionovka’s from as late as the Donbas battles of 1942. As I understand it; it was still used by many partisans and NKVD personnel well into the war. And I understand that it was seen as good enough between 1918-40 but was found wanting during the winter war against Finland, after which the Red army replaced it with a garrison cap for summer and an Ushanka for winter, copying the successful Finnish head dress. I’ve always thought it is a shame that the Soviets didn’t continue with the budyonovka as a summer hat, because if nothing else it was distinctive, no other army wore anything that looked anything like it.
Thanks for reminding me of the Elbe! To this Day they still constantly find both German and Soviet Guns in the Elbe. Of course in terrible Condition. However there often are also Finds of bad up to the rare "decent condition" Guns, Ammo etc. in the Forests all around Germany. As little Kids in the early 1990s me and Friends would always go explore all the WW2 Bunkers around here and the Forests around them and i still remember the very first one i found which was a 7.92x57mm Mauser in really good Condition, looked like new and i still have it. Prost & Cheers from Germany
@@lardomcfarty9866 A cartridge, of course many followed later. I still wonder how loose Cartridges (not even in Packages or a Box) manage to almost look new despite being WW2 Leftovers, must have something to do with the Soil and other Reasons in the Forest. Rifles and other Guns very rarely are in a good Condition, though i remember some Kids in my Area finding a good condition MG42 in a Box in a Bunker that had it's Entrance partly sealed. I think that Example went to the Bundeswehr Museum in Koblenz
As a young PVT my unit was doing training with long distance march and defense. After road march most of the day into night then stopped at dark, I was directed to setup my position. When I found the best position, it was dugout slightly, I dug in finding old rations can unopened and a few M1 Garand clips still loaded. This was in 1988, hardly any rust or corrosion on any of it. It was from post WW2 training but still to think, I was probably doing exactly the same training as the soldiers had been doing in late 1940s to late 1950s. I didn't pick the stuff up and take it, a few reasons why. Mainly I didn't want to have to carry more stuff, as a light infantryman on extended field exercise.
I have a 1933 Argentine contract Hartford Colt. It benefited immensely from all new pins and springs. Hard to believe, but that stuff has a cycle life!😮
Cool! I was just inside the old colt factory a couple months ago working there! It’s like an investment firm now, im an audio video technician. But anyways, they have some original wood beams and metal contraptions and machines in glass cases and have pictures and murals of the place when it was a fun factory. Like a picture showing the room you’re looking in but from years and years ago, right in the same spot. Pretty cool. I think it was CT Innovations that I worked for there. I LOVE the Slavic/muslim cap on the building. I forget the story but I think the Saudi king of the time or the Iranian president or something gifted it to Colt after a weapons shipment or something.
Awesome, Tom really nailed people with ARs and with red dot sights. Very indicative since Ian and Tom took first and second place for iron sights despite everything. I bet that Budenovka hat was hotter than the helmet...
My mother went competition shooting with a TT when she was a teen. To put things into perspective she's 5'4 and was like 80lbs. She's now 70 and blames her wrist aches on the Tokarev :D
It helps, which is good on what is a relatively light gun. I've had pretty extensive experience with SVTs with both brakes and stocks and still own a thin stock, four port gun. They're fun to shoot, but they're kickin' SoBs. It's OK offhand, but a couple of mags prone is about all you're willing to put up with for the day. Also, the construction is pretty...spare. Flimsy even. Field stripping an SVT next to an FN49 really brings this home. Most notably, the op-rod of the SVT looks like a coat hanger with a cup on the end, whereas the op-rod of the FN49 could pinch hit for a flanged mace.
@@davefinfrock3324I have the older style gas port and I find it pretty pleasant to shoot. I think there is a little more recoil than a garand, but I don’t remember thinking “damn my shoulder hurts” after shooting either rifle.
@@cdt996 Offhand they aren't bad. Different story prone or on the bench. However, the thick stock is easier on you. The thin stock tends to slap you in jaw near the hinge of the jaw and it gets on that last nerve PDQ. The 7.62x54R doesn't lack in power either, which doesn't help.
The Soviets used the budenovka hat (the pointy hat) in the winter war. It was meant to be used together with the SSh36 helmet but it wasn't very comfortable. Time wise the hat fits with the SVT-40, but it doesn't fit with the 1943 tunic (the one with the shoulder boards). The belt with the star isn't accurate either, the Soviets didn't start wearing those till after WW2. I absolutely love seeing WW2 Soviet gear on yt tho, it always looks great.
All of Ian's videos are great but this one stands out as a lot of fun! Truly felt like you were there with Ian and Tom. Suspenseful and super cool! (I am a WWII guy).
Greetings from Torgau. The town in Germany where the two army's met. Fun fact, the Americans had no flag with them and the soldiers quickly painted one themselves.
@@BoomerTactical budenovka was used by red army somewhere around 1918-1939, basically mostly used during civil war. Pilotka and ushanka is just way more cooler to be honest :-)
It raises the question of how much more awesome the M1 would have been with a detachable magazine from the start - and if soldiers had been issued with extra magazines, and expected to use them.
@@AshleyPomeroyAs WW2 America was still operating with a conscription system of drafting, the rationale behind the en-bloc/stripper clips over box mags arguement was that draftees would likely lose their mags in combat, or maybe break them in some way. And as producing box mags was more expensive than either of the clip designs, losing an en-bloc or a piece of pressed brass was a better justification than a mag with more than one part. That arguement went out the window post-WW2, when many nations were shifting over to battle rifles with removable mags, even those who still ran conscription (France with the MAS-49 and later variants, West Germany with the G3, Belgium with the FAL) and were trusted with their mags.
You are good with something you're trained with. In the east notch was just more of a thing and in a wwII situation you wouldn't just make a rifle with a different sighting system and change all the training and maintaining techniques across entire army
The vast majority of weapons today have aparture sights and that proves your point. However, I would also like to list 2 important factors where open sights have the edge: 1) Much easier to use during low-light and night fighting. Have you ever tried that with an aparture? 2) Easier to clean mud and snow out of them.
Videos of 2 Gun matches, especially "versus" vids with historical guns, were why I was excited to find InRange years ago. I was disappoint when they (mostly) stopped doing 2 Gun match vids. Thanks for bringing this format back!
Tom is doing something smart when resting the gun on the barricade. He puts his hand on the barricade and then rests the rifle on his hand. You wouldn't think that'd do much, but i've had enough wierd experiences with rifles (AKM, M70AB2, VHS-D1 and VHS-2D) where that improved my accuracy that i generally preffer to do that.
Fun fact- those hats were adopted by the Elbonian Conscript Corps during WWII because they resembled their national headgear. (For values of “fact” = “I just made it up”.)
Thank you Ian for keeping historic weapons in the light of modern day. I’m always impressed with competitors that bring “outside the box” guns to competitions for the sheer love of shooting🇺🇸
In it’s era I would say the m1 was the best implementation of a semi auto rifle. I’m biased to aperture sights but the longer sight radius can’t be argued compared to the notch sights. The magazine system on the svt is marginally superior until you’ve emptied your 3 mags and if you have no down time you are now topping up with 5 round clips. Either way any soldier in the era would have been happy to have one of these rifles over a bolt gun no matter their quirks.
YES! MORE videos like this! I miss seeing your older videos like this! Epic! I became interested in 2-gun because of you and your videos like this. I've ran a K98, M1 Carbine, Cetme L, AR-180, and others at my local match. Older/weird guns are so fun to run! Also, I'm changing my M1 Garand loadout to be set up like Tom's. Seems more functional than my setup.
This was an absolutely awesome competition to see between the two riles. I would love to see either of the two rifles go up against a Gewher 43, as it was in a similar situation as the other rifles of the time.
Maybe favorite FW episode. While certainly no expert, I found I could hit with my Garand as well as any rifle I have ever fired. Excellent episode Ian and Tom!!
i think tom also had an easier time shooting off the ground because he was shooting right handed, it looked like his rifle was much less in his way than yours
My grandfather was a metallurgist during WWII. So he didn't fight. But he was presented with an M1 Grand by some member of the administration for his service during the war. Apparently he felt bad for not going overseas so he worked longer shifts than he was asked to and went beyond the spec of his role. Haven't seen the gun since I was kid though. It's kind of a point of contention in our family. I'm told it has some engraving on it about the presentation.
It really is, honest to goodness, amazing how *still* perfectly adequate and good the Garand is. Sure, I completely agree that it is obsolescent, that's inarguable when you consider what it can't do in comparison to modern rifles (external mag, rails, 30 rounds, optics, etc), and those are important battle multipliers--but the Garand will perform. And it will perform well.
I like how taking these to competition shoots shows the real strengths and limitations of these guns. Having an SVT near the ground like that, with it's full power cartridge and massive brake really isn't feasible when it's covered in loose dirt! Having one of these on a dusty steppe trench parapet would've been not so fun.
They were actually still issuing the Budenovka as late as 1939, so there could conceivably have been some kicking around during the war They could probably be used as a helmet liner, unlike the bulkier ushanka that replaced it.
Competing with period firearms shows that good sights, triggers, and operator skills do more for the effectiveness of a firearm than technology. Had Tom's 1911 been fully functional he would have placed much higher in the overall rankings of the match. The difference in Ian's time with an M1 and an STV-40 shows the value of good iron sights. I expect one would gain experience with the STG-40 sights, but they would always be a problem in less-than-ideal conditions.
Really enjoyed the competition. It was really cool watching Tom in action with the WWII uniform and that Garand. I guess the hat was hot AF, but it had a certain pleasing aesthetic about it.
Another fun and interesting video as always. The SVT 40 is one of my favorite battle rifles and years ago I actually owned two of them which I stupidly sold and now they are too expensive for me to buy again.
I love these period-correct matches! If I lived in a place that had stuff like 2-gun on the regular I'm pretty sure that's all I would ever do. It's still remarkable to me just how damn good the M1 is, I know there was a ton of development that went into it, but it almost seems like they got it right the first time compared to its contemporaries which went through several iterations and versions and still barely stood up to the M1. I feel like I'm missing something because I'm sure it isn't that simple.
The M1 did have a few iterations. The very first production rifles had a gas-trap system that was quickly changed to the gas port system. Also, they had a production flaw (not the gun or design, but a mistake in machining that was difficult to find) that caused a semi consistent failure to feed on the 7th round. Fortunately, both were fixed and millions of fantastic rifles were made.
I carried a 45 MK4 Series 70 for 25 years as a police officer. Never had a malfunction, but I made sure I had all Colt magazines on the recommendation of my range master.
10 bucks says either his recoil spring is worn out. That or the magazine follower spring is worn out. Probably both given how regularly it was causing issues.
Headwear - pre-war up to 1940 (Winter War/Finnish War); Shirt - Post 1943 (red epaulets, pre-1943 uniform was using collar rank marks); Belt - post-war; Pistol mag holder - Chinese issue; Eyewear - contraband; Goatee - blatant disregard of regulations, must be a full beard. Overall - fantastic video! Thank you
Tom looks pretty legit with the stubble on his face, very gruff, sporting that WW2 USGI uniform and period web gear! No question, the United States had the best main battle rifle of the war, no competition. It's not really even a fair comparison between the other self-loading rifles!
I agree he looks outstanding. Whats up with those high cut US jackets though? Did they want to show off their soldiers’ butts? That’s my only objection
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLimaybe so they didn’t get caught on brush and such. I don’t know but that’s my guess and it’s the only real reason I can see but then again it could just be how it was made with no reason in mind.
@@thatguythatstoleyourlunch3189 exactly. Maybe they didn’t have enough polyester? I’d bet on the polyester thing before I bet on the “not getting caught on brush” thing. The bottom like is that he looks dope AF but yeah those coats are wack.
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi It was the fashion of the day, look at the 1937 UK Battle Dress for a jacket that is even shorter. The 1941 field jacket is probably more comfortable in the Arizona heat but in WW2 it proved inadequate as soon as there was cold and/or wet weather so the US switched to the 1943 field jacket which is longer.
The M1 Garand hands down as it's easier to move around with, easier to reload constantly and it has all the positives but none of the drawbacks for rifles of its time. The M1 Garand was considered the 1st semi-auto rifle to be ever put into service in 1937 and since WWII, it showed it's mettle that it has the velocity to reach targets beyond 800m but still good enough for work below 300m time and time again. Not only does it work on range, it also could dump rounds against it's adversaries who were still using bolt action rifles as their standard like the Italians, Germans, Japanese and some even could stretch it and say the North Koreans during the Korean War. Also, with it following the 'universal short rifle" doctrine that the UK had, the M1 Garand was shorter than most rifles of its era except the Germans who themselves followed the same concept but regardless of that, it was shorter than the SVT40 which made it ideal for almost everyone on the field to have one-sans tank crews and pilots. It made it easier to move around with and still able to hit beyond ranges that was thinkable for such a short rifle. The M1 Garand deserved the moniker as "The best battle implementation ever devised".
Great vid! Enjoyed it. I used to own an SVT-40.... would have loved the chance to win that one.. but I watched this two days too late.... so congrats to the winner!
The Garand has a rare combination of balance, ergos, and sights that allows it to work with the operator. The M1 is a "Rifleman's Rifle." I inherited a Garand from my Grandpa, who used a Garand in Korea and liked it so much he sought one out when he got stateside. I like taking it out and ringing some steel with it. It's got class and history, and something about the way it makes putting those 06s on target so intuitive inspires confidence.
Finding a quality M1 Garand is easy enough. Just tell the boomer at the gun show "You can sell it to me now for a decent price, or I can buy it from your kids in the estate auction."
About the Colt Government Model jamming--it is 40 to 50 years old and probably needs to be overhauled. Time flies when you're having fun, springs wear out, and tolerances need to be checked as well.
@williamjensen4531 One magazine, good call. All the magazines--look elsewhere for the problem. I'd suspect a weak recoil spring first, then look at the mainspring.
SVT is mentioned in "To live till sunrise" by Vasil' Bykau, a Belarusian writer who fought WWII. The rifle occasionally shoots while the reconnaissance squad crawls covertly through enemy lines. The soldier possessing the rifle gets told off for taking the unreliable SVT on the mission.
Those hats were actually the hats Soviet soldiers went to WW2 with. That's a very iconic Winter War look for a Soviet soldier, a "Budenovka" and a greatcoat. After the war, they basically copied the Finnish style fur hat for and made the iconic Ushkanka based on that. Not saying hats like that were not known to Russians as well, but kinda like SMGs, Finns probably had an influence on their view of how good such items were.
My father carried an M1 Rifle with a .45 auto as a back up. No he wasn't issued a .45, but he acquired one nonetheless. One source of resupply was aid stations. Soldiers sold and traded weapons as well. He sold his .45 to a Flyboy for cash, because the holster kept reopening a shrapnel wound. The fact that he was marching all day with shrapnel wounds, because he volunteered to return to the front instead of going state side as a training Sargent. Yes, there is a good reason why they were called the Greatest generation. God bless the everyday heroes of WW2.
I always wanted to see how the first place run compares to these experimental themed runs. See how modern kit performs under the same conditions as historical kit.
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi Ian's version, the taller original version' was called the Bogatyrka and the concept was it's meant to be reminiscent of the Bogatyr's, fantastical hero 'knights' of Ancient Rus' folklore who wore pointed steel helmets. The general theory is the Bogatyrka, along with the M1919 Kaftan Greatcoat, which become iconic symbols of the Bolshevik revolutionaries, were actually designed initially as a parade uniform to be worn when WWI was won but the revolution spoiled things. Then the Bolsheviks found these designs and adopted it as their uniform to differentiate themselves. So essentially they were designed to be reminiscent of the pointed helmets of historical warriors from the Kievan Rus' and Novgorod eras.
Every time I watch a video of the M1 Garand my patriotism intensifies. Bloke had one where he introduced Lindybeige to various WWII guns and the performance of the M1 in the hands of a beginner was astounding. Truly an amazing firearm to issue to conscripts!
Before finishing the video, i've owned both and I can say that I always preferred the SVT. Though longer, it is pretty much a full pound lighter, plus 10 rounds in a detachable mag that is also stripper clip loaded. m1 sights are technically better, but the SVT sights are fine for combat use. The break also helps make the SVT very pleasant to shoot. Had reliability issues with both (m1 i think is was due to ammo, when i switched brands it worked better) but the SVT has a gas system adjustment which allows you to dial in the ammo if it is proving an issue.
The detachable magazine isn't really an improvement in the historical context. If I recall correctly with an SVT-40, a soldier would be issued one magazine in the rifle, and one spare, in reality given the wartime shortages, both SVT-40's and Gewehr 43's would often only have just a single one in the rifle, no spares. Enbloc's were intended to be disposable, were as you had to retain magazines. There might be a slight advantage at the very start of engagement by having magazines, but even in a best case scenario for a G43 or SVT-40, once you start getting towards 40+ rounds fired, it would start favoring enblocs.
I think we clearly see a totally unexpected and overlooked advantage here of the M1 Garand, the internal self contained magazine. With the Mannlicher en bloc clip. Whereas Ian was struggling to brace off of the barriers during firing (imagine if prone shots were required while keeping your head down) Tom didn't flinch for a split second laying the rifle flat on the barrier since there was no magazine to get in the way.
Excellent match!! I had the opportunity to purchase from a friend, a fellow shooting partner, his M1 Garand. He, after 2 years, wanted to buy it back. So I sold it back to him. A real shooter in all accounts. Of course I would buy ammo and shoot it at the range, so I still got my time in. Hard to find a really good one in matching numbers. A suggestion, how about another match with .22 rifles? That would be interesting. Thanks for your dedication, knowledge and levity!
The local antique engine club was raffling off a Minneapolis Moline R one time. I gave them $5 and told them that under no circumstances were they to bring that POS to my house. I feel the same way about this rifle!😂
It's strange to me that some 1911's will have consistent issues like that, yet my 600 dollar(at time) Springfield 1911A1 hasn't jammed on me in my 4 years and 3k~ rounds with it
@@amperzand9162 I was thinking it may have been that issue that modern .45 is a little longer than older ones. But I don't remember when they made that change. But warped pins or linkages also makes some sense
I'll add that when I got my GI 1945 M1911A1, I replaced the recoil and firing pin springs. The new ones were nearly 1/4" longer than the ones I took out of it.
Ian your funky hat is Russian civil war era (1917-22) and was one of the only ways to distinguish Red troops from their White opponents, as otherwise they were almost identically equipped and outfitted.
Yes, Patton was onto something but it makes me wonder if he knew it was designed by a brilliant but crazy Canadian who would flood the first floor during the winter. So he could iceskate indoors.
As someone who has a small collection of US WWI & WWII firearms, I loved this! I'll bet that my 1944 Remington Rand M1911A1 would have outperformed the "modern" 1911 series 70 (I have one of those, too).
Im Comrade McCollum and here today I am joined by G.I. Tom
Zampolit Collumvich
Ian Makolumov
G.I. should've been a guy named Joe 😅
@@phunkracy Comrade Viktor Reznov read us our fallen Comrade Chernovs diary as we sat by the fire. Chernov wrote these great tales of one 'Zampolit Collumvich'.
Alleged to have fought back whole Tiger companies with his glare alone. This man struck fear into the heart of both the German Fuhrer and Comrade Stalin.
@@Nukle0n kommisar then
2:18
Hi Ian, Russian here. Glad you recognized the hat being anachronistic. But, that is not a WWI (Imperial) hat. It’s a revolutionary Budenov’s hat (Будённовка), adopted circa 1919 and phased out in 1940. The hat being developed for WWI and for “victory parades in Berlin and Constantinople” is a popular myth. Referring to it as Interbellum hat would be more appropriate. Even the huge red star hints that it wouldn’t be used by Russian Imperial Army in WWI.
Winter war had shown that the hat does not provide enough protection against the cold, and that was the reason for replacement, in favor of Ushanka. Although, with the usual supply and logistics mess in Russia, it saw limited use in WWII.
Именно так. Вы абсолютно правильно пишите!
Буденовки были сшиты еще до революции. В них русские войска должны были маршировать на параде в честь победы над Германией в 1й мировой войне.
I’ve seen pictures of Soviet servicemen still wearing Budionovka’s from as late as the Donbas battles of 1942. As I understand it; it was still used by many partisans and NKVD personnel well into the war. And I understand that it was seen as good enough between 1918-40 but was found wanting during the winter war against Finland, after which the Red army replaced it with a garrison cap for summer and an Ushanka for winter, copying the successful Finnish head dress.
I’ve always thought it is a shame that the Soviets didn’t continue with the budyonovka as a summer hat, because if nothing else it was distinctive, no other army wore anything that looked anything like it.
@@danieleyre8913you're absolutely right, idk wtf this dude is claiming. Just word salading his way to perceived superiority. Self proclaimed.
More impressive than Ian's gun knowledge....his hat game.
Forgotten weapons, known hats.
Sarcasm? It’s definitely an interesting hat
@@patrickholt8782
When we gettin forgotten headgear?
About your hat, I was wondering if you have a "Broad Black Brimmer" as mentioned in the Irish rebel song.
Ian has got style, that's for sure.
Thanks for reminding me of the Elbe! To this Day they still constantly find both German and Soviet Guns in the Elbe. Of course in terrible Condition.
However there often are also Finds of bad up to the rare "decent condition" Guns, Ammo etc. in the Forests all around Germany.
As little Kids in the early 1990s me and Friends would always go explore all the WW2 Bunkers around here and the Forests around them and i still remember the very first one i found which was a 7.92x57mm Mauser in really good Condition, looked like new and i still have it.
Prost & Cheers from Germany
Mauser cartridge or rifle?
@@lardomcfarty9866
A cartridge, of course many followed later. I still wonder how loose Cartridges (not even in Packages or a Box) manage to almost look new despite being WW2 Leftovers, must have something to do with the Soil and other Reasons in the Forest.
Rifles and other Guns very rarely are in a good Condition, though i remember some Kids in my Area finding a good condition MG42 in a Box in a Bunker that had it's Entrance partly sealed.
I think that Example went to the Bundeswehr Museum in Koblenz
my dad found a few .50 BMG cases in a forest in rheinland-pfalz. he said they were all in a line like they fell from a plane
A guy I worked with told how he and his friends found an FW190 hidden in the woods they were playing in as children. They set it on fire.
As a young PVT my unit was doing training with long distance march and defense. After road march most of the day into night then stopped at dark, I was directed to setup my position. When I found the best position, it was dugout slightly, I dug in finding old rations can unopened and a few M1 Garand clips still loaded. This was in 1988, hardly any rust or corrosion on any of it. It was from post WW2 training but still to think, I was probably doing exactly the same training as the soldiers had been doing in late 1940s to late 1950s. I didn't pick the stuff up and take it, a few reasons why. Mainly I didn't want to have to carry more stuff, as a light infantryman on extended field exercise.
I have a 1933 Argentine contract Hartford Colt. It benefited immensely from all new pins and springs. Hard to believe, but that stuff has a cycle life!😮
Copy that pins and springs lost their strength over time
Yup...I have a 1945 Tokarev that is scuffed and worn and has the original late war wood grips....but with a full set of Wolfe springs inside.
Cool! I was just inside the old colt factory a couple months ago working there! It’s like an investment firm now, im an audio video technician. But anyways, they have some original wood beams and metal contraptions and machines in glass cases and have pictures and murals of the place when it was a fun factory. Like a picture showing the room you’re looking in but from years and years ago, right in the same spot. Pretty cool. I think it was CT Innovations that I worked for there. I LOVE the Slavic/muslim cap on the building. I forget the story but I think the Saudi king of the time or the Iranian president or something gifted it to Colt after a weapons shipment or something.
Especially springs from that time period. Newer manufacture springs will keep their tension without taking a set for way longer
The 45 malfunctions look an awful lot like the extractor is too tight on that gun. Easy fix!
Awesome, Tom really nailed people with ARs and with red dot sights. Very indicative since Ian and Tom took first and second place for iron sights despite everything.
I bet that Budenovka hat was hotter than the helmet...
He had the advantage that the ARs sometimes had to get two hits where he only had to get one.
@@dwaneanderson8039 Well, it follows the US's initial "we need battle rifle calibre for stopping power" mantra post WW2.
TT-33 Tokarev and the 1911 for sidearms adds an extra layer of historical authenticity.
Tom made it look “Super easy, barely an inconvenience”.
References to other channels are tight.
Wow wow wow
Hey , he is from the other channel
Having fired all 3 semi auto rifles from ww2 the svt is smooth, the m1 just feels right and I'm gonna catch heck but I was unimpressed with the g43
My mother went competition shooting with a TT when she was a teen. To put things into perspective she's 5'4 and was like 80lbs. She's now 70 and blames her wrist aches on the Tokarev :D
Damn, thiefs better dont deal with your Babooshka 😅
She sounds lovely
That muzzle brake on the SVT is loud but really effective at reducing muzzle flip.
It helps, which is good on what is a relatively light gun. I've had pretty extensive experience with SVTs with both brakes and stocks and still own a thin stock, four port gun. They're fun to shoot, but they're kickin' SoBs. It's OK offhand, but a couple of mags prone is about all you're willing to put up with for the day. Also, the construction is pretty...spare. Flimsy even. Field stripping an SVT next to an FN49 really brings this home. Most notably, the op-rod of the SVT looks like a coat hanger with a cup on the end, whereas the op-rod of the FN49 could pinch hit for a flanged mace.
@@davefinfrock3324I have the older style gas port and I find it pretty pleasant to shoot. I think there is a little more recoil than a garand, but I don’t remember thinking “damn my shoulder hurts” after shooting either rifle.
@@cdt996 Offhand they aren't bad. Different story prone or on the bench. However, the thick stock is easier on you. The thin stock tends to slap you in jaw near the hinge of the jaw and it gets on that last nerve PDQ. The 7.62x54R doesn't lack in power either, which doesn't help.
I remember grasping my ear in pain the time I forgot to put my earplugs back in.
@@FireMadeItBetter even with double hearing protection, it can be loud!
It's nice to see more 2-gun competition with historic kits - they were one of my favourite themes you used to regularly do with Karl.
The Soviets used the budenovka hat (the pointy hat) in the winter war. It was meant to be used together with the SSh36 helmet but it wasn't very comfortable. Time wise the hat fits with the SVT-40, but it doesn't fit with the 1943 tunic (the one with the shoulder boards). The belt with the star isn't accurate either, the Soviets didn't start wearing those till after WW2.
I absolutely love seeing WW2 Soviet gear on yt tho, it always looks great.
All of Ian's videos are great but this one stands out as a lot of fun! Truly felt like you were there with Ian and Tom. Suspenseful and super cool! (I am a WWII guy).
It was a great episode.
Greetings from Torgau. The town in Germany where the two army's met. Fun fact, the Americans had no flag with them and the soldiers quickly painted one themselves.
Match shooting with historic firearms are always my favorite videos of yours.
Nice seeing more cool headgear from Ian's collection!
I think going to that much effort he should be allowed some holes in 'friendly' targets
Though an ugly ahh one, helmet would be cooler
Yeah, not Elbe accurate… 😂
He should be wearing either the WW2 Pilotka or Ushanka, not the Cold War Budenovka
@@BoomerTactical budenovka was used by red army somewhere around 1918-1939, basically mostly used during civil war. Pilotka and ushanka is just way more cooler to be honest :-)
I think people underestimate how much better aperture sights are to use than notch. Seriously it's just huge.
It raises the question of how much more awesome the M1 would have been with a detachable magazine from the start - and if soldiers had been issued with extra magazines, and expected to use them.
@@AshleyPomeroyAs WW2 America was still operating with a conscription system of drafting, the rationale behind the en-bloc/stripper clips over box mags arguement was that draftees would likely lose their mags in combat, or maybe break them in some way. And as producing box mags was more expensive than either of the clip designs, losing an en-bloc or a piece of pressed brass was a better justification than a mag with more than one part.
That arguement went out the window post-WW2, when many nations were shifting over to battle rifles with removable mags, even those who still ran conscription (France with the MAS-49 and later variants, West Germany with the G3, Belgium with the FAL) and were trusted with their mags.
You are good with something you're trained with. In the east notch was just more of a thing and in a wwII situation you wouldn't just make a rifle with a different sighting system and change all the training and maintaining techniques across entire army
The vast majority of weapons today have aparture sights and that proves your point. However, I would also like to list 2 important factors where open sights have the edge:
1) Much easier to use during low-light and night fighting. Have you ever tried that with an aparture?
2) Easier to clean mud and snow out of them.
@@GRAndreas7easier to hit moving targets as well
Videos of 2 Gun matches, especially "versus" vids with historical guns, were why I was excited to find InRange years ago. I was disappoint when they (mostly) stopped doing 2 Gun match vids. Thanks for bringing this format back!
same
Tom is doing something smart when resting the gun on the barricade. He puts his hand on the barricade and then rests the rifle on his hand.
You wouldn't think that'd do much, but i've had enough wierd experiences with rifles (AKM, M70AB2, VHS-D1 and VHS-2D) where that improved my accuracy that i generally preffer to do that.
Fun fact- those hats were adopted by the Elbonian Conscript Corps during WWII because they resembled their national headgear.
(For values of “fact” = “I just made it up”.)
Thank you Ian for keeping historic weapons in the light of modern day. I’m always impressed with competitors that bring “outside the box” guns to competitions for the sheer love of shooting🇺🇸
In it’s era I would say the m1 was the best implementation of a semi auto rifle.
I’m biased to aperture sights but the longer sight radius can’t be argued compared to the notch sights.
The magazine system on the svt is marginally superior until you’ve emptied your 3 mags and if you have no down time you are now topping up with 5 round clips.
Either way any soldier in the era would have been happy to have one of these rifles over a bolt gun no matter their quirks.
YES! MORE videos like this! I miss seeing your older videos like this! Epic!
I became interested in 2-gun because of you and your videos like this. I've ran a K98, M1 Carbine, Cetme L, AR-180, and others at my local match. Older/weird guns are so fun to run!
Also, I'm changing my M1 Garand loadout to be set up like Tom's. Seems more functional than my setup.
This was an absolutely awesome competition to see between the two riles. I would love to see either of the two rifles go up against a Gewher 43, as it was in a similar situation as the other rifles of the time.
Maybe new magazines/magazine springs, and new recoil spring would help the Colt 1911.
Not just maybe, I'd damn near put money on it.
Perhaps the Extractor could be an issue, too.
Maybe favorite FW episode. While certainly no expert, I found I could hit with my Garand as well as any rifle I have ever fired. Excellent episode Ian and Tom!!
Tf? You act like there aren’t 10,000 better episodes 😡
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi Why are you getting mad over someone else's favorite episode? It's just the one he likes the most, man. Chill out.
@@wolfthegreat87 dig this here lord of the flies; you don’t get to tell me how to be 😡
That 1911 needs a trip to an experienced gunsmith. The M1 rifle sure did well!! Great video---thank!!
i think tom also had an easier time shooting off the ground because he was shooting right handed, it looked like his rifle was much less in his way than yours
Would have been interesting to see Tom shoot the svt 40
My grandfather was a metallurgist during WWII. So he didn't fight. But he was presented with an M1 Grand by some member of the administration for his service during the war. Apparently he felt bad for not going overseas so he worked longer shifts than he was asked to and went beyond the spec of his role.
Haven't seen the gun since I was kid though. It's kind of a point of contention in our family.
I'm told it has some engraving on it about the presentation.
Thanks!
It really is, honest to goodness, amazing how *still* perfectly adequate and good the Garand is. Sure, I completely agree that it is obsolescent, that's inarguable when you consider what it can't do in comparison to modern rifles (external mag, rails, 30 rounds, optics, etc), and those are important battle multipliers--but the Garand will perform. And it will perform well.
I like how taking these to competition shoots shows the real strengths and limitations of these guns. Having an SVT near the ground like that, with it's full power cartridge and massive brake really isn't feasible when it's covered in loose dirt! Having one of these on a dusty steppe trench parapet would've been not so fun.
They were actually still issuing the Budenovka as late as 1939, so there could conceivably have been some kicking around during the war They could probably be used as a helmet liner, unlike the bulkier ushanka that replaced it.
Competing with period firearms shows that good sights, triggers, and operator skills do more for the effectiveness of a firearm than technology. Had Tom's 1911 been fully functional he would have placed much higher in the overall rankings of the match. The difference in Ian's time with an M1 and an STV-40 shows the value of good iron sights. I expect one would gain experience with the STG-40 sights, but they would always be a problem in less-than-ideal conditions.
Really enjoyed the competition. It was really cool watching Tom in action with the WWII uniform and that Garand. I guess the hat was hot AF, but it had a certain pleasing aesthetic about it.
Another fun and interesting video as always. The SVT 40 is one of my favorite battle rifles and years ago I actually owned two of them which I stupidly sold and now they are too expensive for me to buy again.
I love these period-correct matches! If I lived in a place that had stuff like 2-gun on the regular I'm pretty sure that's all I would ever do. It's still remarkable to me just how damn good the M1 is, I know there was a ton of development that went into it, but it almost seems like they got it right the first time compared to its contemporaries which went through several iterations and versions and still barely stood up to the M1. I feel like I'm missing something because I'm sure it isn't that simple.
The M1 did have a few iterations. The very first production rifles had a gas-trap system that was quickly changed to the gas port system. Also, they had a production flaw (not the gun or design, but a mistake in machining that was difficult to find) that caused a semi consistent failure to feed on the 7th round. Fortunately, both were fixed and millions of fantastic rifles were made.
I carried a 45 MK4 Series 70 for 25 years as a police officer. Never had a malfunction, but I made sure I had all Colt magazines on the recommendation of my range master.
10 bucks says either his recoil spring is worn out. That or the magazine follower spring is worn out.
Probably both given how regularly it was causing issues.
Ian and his non-meta builds are my 2 gun ACM spirit animal.
These shooting matches look like so much fun! Watching you retake stage 3 with the Garand was super satisfying, good hustle!
I have both the SVT and the Garand, absolutely love both of them. My SVT only came with one mag though, it's crazy expensive to add more. Great show!
Headwear - pre-war up to 1940 (Winter War/Finnish War);
Shirt - Post 1943 (red epaulets, pre-1943 uniform was using collar rank marks);
Belt - post-war;
Pistol mag holder - Chinese issue;
Eyewear - contraband;
Goatee - blatant disregard of regulations, must be a full beard.
Overall - fantastic video! Thank you
Tom looks pretty legit with the stubble on his face, very gruff, sporting that WW2 USGI uniform and period web gear! No question, the United States had the best main battle rifle of the war, no competition. It's not really even a fair comparison between the other self-loading rifles!
I agree he looks outstanding. Whats up with those high cut US jackets though? Did they want to show off their soldiers’ butts? That’s my only objection
His kit is definitely on point.
And yea, M1, any day. Love that rifle.
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLimaybe so they didn’t get caught on brush and such. I don’t know but that’s my guess and it’s the only real reason I can see but then again it could just be how it was made with no reason in mind.
@@thatguythatstoleyourlunch3189 exactly. Maybe they didn’t have enough polyester? I’d bet on the polyester thing before I bet on the “not getting caught on brush” thing. The bottom like is that he looks dope AF but yeah those coats are wack.
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi It was the fashion of the day, look at the 1937 UK Battle Dress for a jacket that is even shorter. The 1941 field jacket is probably more comfortable in the Arizona heat but in WW2 it proved inadequate as soon as there was cold and/or wet weather so the US switched to the 1943 field jacket which is longer.
Tom smashing the stages, nice!
this is some classic InRange/Forgotten Weapons style content, really enjoyed seeing you fellas work
Good test, good shooting, fun match - glad to see y'all taking these out to the range
Love this comparison of two venerable weapons! Wish me luck for that SVT Ian!
The M1 Garand hands down as it's easier to move around with, easier to reload constantly and it has all the positives but none of the drawbacks for rifles of its time.
The M1 Garand was considered the 1st semi-auto rifle to be ever put into service in 1937 and since WWII, it showed it's mettle that it has the velocity to reach targets beyond 800m but still good enough for work below 300m time and time again. Not only does it work on range, it also could dump rounds against it's adversaries who were still using bolt action rifles as their standard like the Italians, Germans, Japanese and some even could stretch it and say the North Koreans during the Korean War.
Also, with it following the 'universal short rifle" doctrine that the UK had, the M1 Garand was shorter than most rifles of its era except the Germans who themselves followed the same concept but regardless of that, it was shorter than the SVT40 which made it ideal for almost everyone on the field to have one-sans tank crews and pilots. It made it easier to move around with and still able to hit beyond ranges that was thinkable for such a short rifle.
The M1 Garand deserved the moniker as "The best battle implementation ever devised".
Great vid! Enjoyed it. I used to own an SVT-40.... would have loved the chance to win that one.. but I watched this two days too late.... so congrats to the winner!
A legitimately fantastic video. Love Ian.
Awesome video Ian!
Love to watch the comparison and in full kit!
Thx,
Petr
The Garand has a rare combination of balance, ergos, and sights that allows it to work with the operator. The M1 is a "Rifleman's Rifle." I inherited a Garand from my Grandpa, who used a Garand in Korea and liked it so much he sought one out when he got stateside. I like taking it out and ringing some steel with it. It's got class and history, and something about the way it makes putting those 06s on target so intuitive inspires confidence.
Finding a quality M1 Garand is easy enough. Just tell the boomer at the gun show "You can sell it to me now for a decent price, or I can buy it from your kids in the estate auction."
Man that's a good time right there. I'd love to nerd out with period gear in good company like that. Thanks for posting!
About the Colt Government Model jamming--it is 40 to 50 years old and probably needs to be overhauled. Time flies when you're having fun, springs wear out, and tolerances need to be checked as well.
@williamjensen4531 One magazine, good call. All the magazines--look elsewhere for the problem. I'd suspect a weak recoil spring first, then look at the mainspring.
Dang Tom crushing it with the 10th place where you struggled...thats some impressive shooting
SVT is mentioned in "To live till sunrise" by Vasil' Bykau, a Belarusian writer who fought WWII. The rifle occasionally shoots while the reconnaissance squad crawls covertly through enemy lines. The soldier possessing the rifle gets told off for taking the unreliable SVT on the mission.
Tom really crushed the second stage. Crazy good shooting!
I would pay good money to watch an uncensored version of forgotten weapons. You can catch Ian slipping every now and then lol
Your commitment to authenticity over success is commendable.
At 3:41 Ivan McCollum is so generous he drops a spent case for the next conscript who unfortunately didn't get the rifle NOR the ammunition
I really enjoy your historical period matches!
Tom is now my favorite Band of Brothers character
The sights on the M1 are truly excellent when you dial them in. It is undoubtedly my favorite gun to shoot in my collection.
Those hats were actually the hats Soviet soldiers went to WW2 with. That's a very iconic Winter War look for a Soviet soldier, a "Budenovka" and a greatcoat. After the war, they basically copied the Finnish style fur hat for and made the iconic Ushkanka based on that. Not saying hats like that were not known to Russians as well, but kinda like SMGs, Finns probably had an influence on their view of how good such items were.
My father carried an M1 Rifle with a .45 auto as a back up. No he wasn't issued a .45, but he acquired one nonetheless.
One source of resupply was aid stations. Soldiers sold and traded weapons as well. He sold his .45 to a Flyboy for cash, because the holster kept reopening a shrapnel wound. The fact that he was marching all day with shrapnel wounds, because he volunteered to return to the front instead of going state side as a training Sargent. Yes, there is a good reason why they were called the Greatest generation. God bless the everyday heroes of WW2.
Do you have more stories from your father, and have you ever thought of compiling them in one place?
I always wanted to see how the first place run compares to these experimental themed runs.
See how modern kit performs under the same conditions as historical kit.
Love your vids, Ian. Many thanks. This is a classic, mate. 😉
Loved it, I love these historical themed matches.
Actually Budenovka hat was in use till 1940 u can ez find photos of Winter war
Have movies lied to us again?🤔
Oh ok. That hat is crazy. What’s the concept there? The snow falls off?
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi Ian's version, the taller original version' was called the Bogatyrka and the concept was it's meant to be reminiscent of the Bogatyr's, fantastical hero 'knights' of Ancient Rus' folklore who wore pointed steel helmets. The general theory is the Bogatyrka, along with the M1919 Kaftan Greatcoat, which become iconic symbols of the Bolshevik revolutionaries, were actually designed initially as a parade uniform to be worn when WWI was won but the revolution spoiled things. Then the Bolsheviks found these designs and adopted it as their uniform to differentiate themselves. So essentially they were designed to be reminiscent of the pointed helmets of historical warriors from the Kievan Rus' and Novgorod eras.
@@GooglyEyedJoe so you’re telling me that they were basically much more disciplined versions of the Bloods versus the Crips. That’s so cool though!!
Every time I watch a video of the M1 Garand my patriotism intensifies. Bloke had one where he introduced Lindybeige to various WWII guns and the performance of the M1 in the hands of a beginner was astounding. Truly an amazing firearm to issue to conscripts!
I a big collector with 175 WW2 firearms in my collection and I love my SVT 40 and Garand’s!
Y'all both shot pretty dang good. That was good work guys. Looked like fun.
Entertaining and instructive! The pointlessly pointed 'Budenovka' hat was just another fashion failure of the Bolsheviki.
Before finishing the video, i've owned both and I can say that I always preferred the SVT. Though longer, it is pretty much a full pound lighter, plus 10 rounds in a detachable mag that is also stripper clip loaded. m1 sights are technically better, but the SVT sights are fine for combat use. The break also helps make the SVT very pleasant to shoot. Had reliability issues with both (m1 i think is was due to ammo, when i switched brands it worked better) but the SVT has a gas system adjustment which allows you to dial in the ammo if it is proving an issue.
The detachable magazine isn't really an improvement in the historical context. If I recall correctly with an SVT-40, a soldier would be issued one magazine in the rifle, and one spare, in reality given the wartime shortages, both SVT-40's and Gewehr 43's would often only have just a single one in the rifle, no spares. Enbloc's were intended to be disposable, were as you had to retain magazines. There might be a slight advantage at the very start of engagement by having magazines, but even in a best case scenario for a G43 or SVT-40, once you start getting towards 40+ rounds fired, it would start favoring enblocs.
LOVE THE COMPARISON and competition!!!
I think we clearly see a totally unexpected and overlooked advantage here of the M1 Garand, the internal self contained magazine. With the Mannlicher en bloc clip. Whereas Ian was struggling to brace off of the barriers during firing (imagine if prone shots were required while keeping your head down) Tom didn't flinch for a split second laying the rifle flat on the barrier since there was no magazine to get in the way.
The match videos are the best!
Excellent match!! I had the opportunity to purchase from a friend, a fellow shooting partner, his M1 Garand. He, after 2 years, wanted to buy it back. So I sold it back to him. A real shooter in all accounts. Of course I would buy ammo and shoot it at the range, so I still got my time in. Hard to find a really good one in matching numbers. A suggestion, how about another match with .22 rifles? That would be interesting. Thanks for your dedication, knowledge and levity!
If they did it on a "caliber counts" match, how many hits would they need?
0:53 I was a surprised to hear that Ian preferes the Garands sights over the SVT. I always had the imprsseion the garand would have really bad sights
Great video! more videos like these would be welcomed !
seeing tom in that outfit with the m1 running from target to target. its such a heart warming sight.
The local antique engine club was raffling off a Minneapolis Moline R one time. I gave them $5 and told them that under no circumstances were they to bring that POS to my house.
I feel the same way about this rifle!😂
Well Ian, as a certain pilot I know by the name of Walsh said; man walks down the street wearing a hat like that you know he's not afraid of anything.
Great to see these again!
It's strange to me that some 1911's will have consistent issues like that, yet my 600 dollar(at time) Springfield 1911A1 hasn't jammed on me in my 4 years and 3k~ rounds with it
Somebody was saying it's an age issue. The springs and pins have a service life.
@@amperzand9162 I was thinking it may have been that issue that modern .45 is a little longer than older ones. But I don't remember when they made that change. But warped pins or linkages also makes some sense
I'll add that when I got my GI 1945 M1911A1, I replaced the recoil and firing pin springs. The new ones were nearly 1/4" longer than the ones I took out of it.
Great video and premise, love these head to head styles.
Let me jump straight into the nit-picking (I *am* German, after all):
The second "e" in "Elbe" is *not* silent.
Elb 😈
It's linguistically incorrect to correct pronunciation of foreign names and titles in other languages: you don't say "Nippon", you say "Japan".
@@alexeikotov7769correct, but is this one of those cases?
@@TheJimmyplant yes, it is: Ian uses english variant of pronunciation.
Tom is a beast with Garand and now I appreciate its power with en bloc. good day sammy.
Ian your funky hat is Russian civil war era (1917-22) and was one of the only ways to distinguish Red troops from their White opponents, as otherwise they were almost identically equipped and outfitted.
Yes, Patton was onto something but it makes me wonder if he knew it was designed by a brilliant but crazy Canadian who would flood the first floor during the winter. So he could iceskate indoors.
Будёновка с погонами... Пояс... Мои глаза... ну ё-маё, Форготтен, ну как так-то?
Tom needs to tune his 1911 extractor
8:05 I kept thinking "They're running through each other's Fire,,,,, oh wait".
As someone who has a small collection of US WWI & WWII firearms, I loved this! I'll bet that my 1944 Remington Rand M1911A1 would have outperformed the "modern" 1911 series 70 (I have one of those, too).
I have a series 80 myself. Looking to find a WWII 1911.
Tom's iconic dog-face helmet gives him the power of grayskull.
The best part of a match is definitely lunch with your buddy after
Great performance of both 80 years old relics