I've become a major fan of this channel because of the way it reviews. The analysis is precise and straightforward. I like how the comparison began with a concise "no" and then proceeded to present every pertinent detail in an equally brief manner. I can't help but notice the subtle background music and how precisely those nudge/click sound effects are in sync with the text. The transitions are far too smooth. Kartik is excellent; he is precise and succinct. What a delight to watch some high-quality content like this!! ✨
The headlamps of the xuv700 are truly fabulous. I've been partially blinded by them quite a no of times in well lit city roads. They even blind you from the orvms and rear view mirrors ,quite powerful.
Being owner of XUV700 and family with 2 kids, I must say that I am drawn towards MPV just for space and practicality. But then driving fun is also important. It's a tough choice!
I love automobiles, and this channel is a blessing for peopke like me! Neat, precise, straight to topic, most of all excellent cinematography & editting.... Good luck guys, keep going💯
Invicto any day for me. Space and comfort takes priority for long term usage and highway comfort. Just that Hybrid is a bit too expensive despite impressive mileage.
@@baunbaun82Why safety? It's based on the TNGA-C platform. Same as Corolla, Corolla Cross and even the Prius. It's a truly global platform and perfectly safe. I'm sure this car will score 5 stars in ASEAN NCAP and BNCAP.
@@baunbaun82 No it does. ASEAN NCAP tests for side impact as well. Anyway, the above three cars I mentioned are 5 star rated in EuroNCAP and ANCAP also. As for Innova, it will never be tested by EuroNCAP and ANCAP because this car is not sold in those two markets. I mentioned ASEAN because Hycross will be tested by ASEAN NCAP since it's sold in South east asian countries as Innova Zenix.
Mahindra has got the id right but exterior is so busy , unnecessary lines cues , Scorpio n is better. Hence the hycross/ invicto is simpler and timeless in comparison. Looks are subjective
Looks are totally subjective - I've met many who find the ScorpioN 'Not goodlooking' and they prefer the Scorpio Classic over it (which I completely disagree with). I personally find the Invicto/Hycross too MUV looking and doesn't appeal to me as an only car in the family. To each his own I guess.
The 700 has been simplified massively in comparison to the 500. The 500 was too much looks wise...but 700 is smooth looks wise. And drive wise, few offerings on the market match it's pull. The pull of XUV 700 is intoxicating( petrol). Haven't driven the invicto but given the weight/torque figures, I bet it's "meh"
Very nice comparison! If we take after sales / support into consideration, Toyota will definitely win hands down against Mahindra. However I’m not sure about Maruti rebadged version
By the time (age) you gain the financial flexibility to buy either of them, your obvious choice would be Toyota hycross/ invicto; ps: excitement/ fun to drive factor etc. wears down with age and practicality takes precedence in my view
I am seeing it the other way in myself and my peers. As you are spending more money on a luxury product, factors like fuel-economy and cost of maintenance take a back seat and performance and the fun to drive factor is more important.
@@ArunBasilLal yes I agree; but need to consider what % of people would side with enthusiastic driving vis a vis comfort and space after a specific age threshold
Can you guys do a video explaining the body styles and how to classify one vehicle ? Hatchback, crossover, (sub)compact suv, mpv, suv, coupe suv and whatnot
I was holding off from saying this in many videos but bro, you know you are DAF. you say certain opinions and the reasons you formed those opinions are hillarious!!
Hey Shumi, from where did you buy that RS Taichi RSS011 Drymaster-Fit Hoop Shoes ? Is it available in India?🤔 Reference:- you wore it in This connects ep6.
Off topic but I want to buy my first bike I am really in love with RE Himalyan 450 platform but want the roadster/street version I am recovering from a back injury that will take me 2months to recover how much longer will I have to wait for the 450 roadster/street or should I just go with Himalayan?
Even if you want to go for the Himalayan, it's better to wait as end user reviews already suggest overheating issues and the Himalyan hasn't even seen the indian summers.
Himalayan might take about an year before launching Scram450. Scram411 is still new and price sensitive. Checkout their Himalyan video, they discuss that as well
Hey! We believe the 17" front wheeled Roadster is about six months away and the 19" wheeled Scram is about 12 months away. Best of luck and get well soon!
Hello Team MotorInc, Please Debut Innova Crysta in your Videos.... I would love to know where Toyota Innova Crysta stands in sea of all modern Suvs & Mpvs...
Really confused weather i should go for brand new Seltos gtx plus petrol dct or second hand Jeep Compass model s 2021. Eagerly waiting for your reply as I’m not able to take the decision.
I think with Phase 2 cars, Mahindra has build it's reputation right. Smooth, refined and bit more for niggle free. Only thing is, there's no proper 7 seater on Mahindra lineup except Marazzo and in the later case they have even forgot that it exists. If done right, Marazzo will become one of the best cars in that price lineup. Marazzo is also smooth and spacious than 7OO, in addition, can seat 7 with more comfort. The above is written as we own both 7OO(DSL manual AX7) and Marazzo (5 year old base M2 ). TBH, even now, I prefer Marazzo. Not sure about Invicto, as I have never experienced one, but will be an excellent product since it's a Toyota on Suzuki disguise.
It would be good you bring up real time issues and try to get updates from company on those. Example 700 has lower arm noise still not fixed even though company is replacing in warranty but even last year 700 has this issue which questions the realiability
Xuv is truly amazing with its suspension and engine... beautifully carved exterior but middle row are cramped seats are not comfortable... thats the main reason for me to skip hence its for family... loved it completely even though stability of the vehicle is not great..
Invicto/Hycross if practicality, reliability and longevity are your priorities. XUV, only if you need a diesel and AWD. XUV is fun to drive though and somehow drives more like a Ford than a Mahindra. Haven't driven the Invicto or Hycross, so can't comment on that.
Kindly help me in this regard i travel around 5k kms per month got crysta altroz and city diesel...and a compass to self driven... altroz maintenance is like owning a luxury vehicle service is too costly for a periodic service i spend around 20 every time and things always go wrong in it... JDM is hassle free to maintain even after 200k.. should i go for hyryder exchanging my jeep or elevate
Depends on your budget. If you are talking about |Under 20 lakhs| segment, go for the Elevate. It changes if you decide to extend it upto 25 lakhs, wherein Hyryder would be the best pick (if you want a Hybrid, else Seltos is equally impressive).
HyRyder/aGrand Vitara better - because with a heavier load they still remain composed. The Elevate gets a bit bouncy when loaded up. All quieter cabin in the Japanese duo are a big plus for longer distances.
I have been following him since long he has changed many auto mobile channels & brands but one thing remains with him is HE LOVES TALKING. he does fab when it comes to explaining features & pros & cons of cars but yet he loves talking 😅
The Atkinson cycle engine on Toyota's does hamper performance quite a lot. These new hybrids are fuel efficient for sure but that's about it. The Toyota hybrids are great for chauffeur driven crowds but do not offer any driver enthusiasm. Toyota should have used the regular Otto cycle engine along with hybrid tech to improve performance
XUV 7OO Diesel is just fabulous Mahindra's gonna tune their 2.2L mHawk to produce around 200HP and 500Nm for their upcoming facelifts and models prolly
Surprised how could Kartik like such poor design of the Invicto. I mean atleast Toyota strong hybrid design is acceptable. But Invicto does look like an extended tin can offer (50% more)
In my opinion it’s the most confusing car. Amazing to drive but the company’s decisions on offering features and transmission make the customers not wanting to buy one..
I feel it’s not a right comparo. The XUV is a SUV with go anywhere character while the hycross is a MUV with great mile munching point A to B character. It’s like comparing an Ertiga with a Thar.
Invicto just doesn't look good from the side because of wheels and the MVP body style but because of that it's a better people mover like a MVP should on the other hand Mahindra should sober down on XUV 700 design slightly.
Agreed - they should have had the strong hybrid in lower variants. Also - the petrol engine is pretty efficient. As for the boot - for weekend trips - you can do a lot more with it than its rivals. Let us know when you check it out. Thanks!
@@motorinc doesn't matter how old I am, there's just a lot I could learn from veteran auto journalists like you guys and also give my two cents on certain things I've experienced.
@@motorinc xuv700 much more fun and involving to drive, plush interiors looks and feels luxurious meanwhile the invicto is large as well as spacious but very compromised on features and luxury. It's like a big dog catcher van rather an ambulance 🚑 type of vehicle with poor tacky interiors for that amount of money. Too large like a lorry 🚚 difficult to nibble in city traffic.
I've become a major fan of this channel because of the way it reviews. The analysis is precise and straightforward. I like how the comparison began with a concise "no" and then proceeded to present every pertinent detail in an equally brief manner. I can't help but notice the subtle background music and how precisely those nudge/click sound effects are in sync with the text. The transitions are far too smooth. Kartik is excellent; he is precise and succinct. What a delight to watch some high-quality content like this!! ✨
Thanks so much for that AK! And for your time!
You're welcome!@@motorinc
The headlamps of the xuv700 are truly fabulous. I've been partially blinded by them quite a no of times in well lit city roads. They even blind you from the orvms and rear view mirrors ,quite powerful.
They are BRILLIANT!
Same with Creta/Alcazar headlamps and I hate it!
Being owner of XUV700 and family with 2 kids, I must say that I am drawn towards MPV just for space and practicality. But then driving fun is also important. It's a tough choice!
It is indeed! Thanks for letting us know about your garage! Appreciate it!
I love automobiles, and this channel is a blessing for peopke like me! Neat, precise, straight to topic, most of all excellent cinematography & editting.... Good luck guys, keep going💯
Thanks so much HV!
Invicto any day for me. Space and comfort takes priority for long term usage and highway comfort. Just that Hybrid is a bit too expensive despite impressive mileage.
Indeed! Thanks for sharing your perspective!
except safety.
@@baunbaun82Why safety? It's based on the TNGA-C platform. Same as Corolla, Corolla Cross and even the Prius. It's a truly global platform and perfectly safe. I'm sure this car will score 5 stars in ASEAN NCAP and BNCAP.
@@sandeepnath1609 I'm not sure about BNCAP but ASEAN NCAP doesn't rate vehicle on sidewise impact. I'll look for Euro NCAP or ANCAP.
@@baunbaun82 No it does. ASEAN NCAP tests for side impact as well. Anyway, the above three cars I mentioned are 5 star rated in EuroNCAP and ANCAP also. As for Innova, it will never be tested by EuroNCAP and ANCAP because this car is not sold in those two markets. I mentioned ASEAN because Hycross will be tested by ASEAN NCAP since it's sold in South east asian countries as Innova Zenix.
Mahindra has got the id right but exterior is so busy , unnecessary lines cues , Scorpio n is better. Hence the hycross/ invicto is simpler and timeless in comparison. Looks are subjective
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
Yes
Looks are totally subjective - I've met many who find the ScorpioN 'Not goodlooking' and they prefer the Scorpio Classic over it (which I completely disagree with).
I personally find the Invicto/Hycross too MUV looking and doesn't appeal to me as an only car in the family.
To each his own I guess.
The 700 has been simplified massively in comparison to the 500. The 500 was too much looks wise...but 700 is smooth looks wise. And drive wise, few offerings on the market match it's pull. The pull of XUV 700 is intoxicating( petrol). Haven't driven the invicto but given the weight/torque figures, I bet it's "meh"
Very nice comparison! If we take after sales / support into consideration, Toyota will definitely win hands down against Mahindra. However I’m not sure about Maruti rebadged version
Toyota is in a league of one. Maruti is solid too though.
By the time (age) you gain the financial flexibility to buy either of them, your obvious choice would be Toyota hycross/ invicto;
ps: excitement/ fun to drive factor etc. wears down with age and practicality takes precedence in my view
I have seen people who are driving hilux in age 70. An enthusiats never gets old.
Hilux gives both? 😁
I am seeing it the other way in myself and my peers. As you are spending more money on a luxury product, factors like fuel-economy and cost of maintenance take a back seat and performance and the fun to drive factor is more important.
@@ArunBasilLal yes I agree; but need to consider what % of people would side with enthusiastic driving vis a vis comfort and space after a specific age threshold
@@ajayrathore8704 again- what % is that ?
Can you guys do a video explaining the body styles and how to classify one vehicle ?
Hatchback, crossover, (sub)compact suv, mpv, suv, coupe suv and whatnot
Can do!
@@motorinc yes please do, I love your explanation. Will clear my tiniest of doubts.
another great video comparing the right stuff and so well summarised. Love the content.
Thank you BM! Appreciate it!
Team Motorinc, a face-off with hector too please.
would love to know that should I go for hector or wait for new Xuv700 or get this one only?
Request noted!
You guys are making some really clean videos. 👍
Appreciate it!
You've made things very clear, kudos.
Now let's make things absolutely clear with a 700 vs Safari please 😊
Thank you! And for the recommendation!
XUV for me i guess! Thanks fot this
Glad we could help! Thanks for letting us know Pavan!
I was holding off from saying this in many videos but bro, you know you are DAF. you say certain opinions and the reasons you formed those opinions are hillarious!!
Happy to discuss.
Any plan to compare Tata Safari Facelift to the XUV 700?
We do hope to! But Tata cars are hard to come by.
invicto, because you missed to mention the highway capabilities when laden with occupants.. the suspension is a peach in that scenario
Yes, but so is the XUV.
Hey Shumi, from where did you buy that RS Taichi RSS011 Drymaster-Fit Hoop Shoes ?
Is it available in India?🤔
Reference:- you wore it in This connects ep6.
Good car reviews, well produced. Please please drop the background music while you are talking.
All the best
Feedback noted!
Off topic but I want to buy my first bike I am really in love with RE Himalyan 450 platform but want the roadster/street version I am recovering from a back injury that will take me 2months to recover how much longer will I have to wait for the 450 roadster/street or should I just go with Himalayan?
Even if you want to go for the Himalayan, it's better to wait as end user reviews already suggest overheating issues and the Himalyan hasn't even seen the indian summers.
The scram 450 is coming. Better to wait imo
Himalayan might take about an year before launching Scram450.
Scram411 is still new and price sensitive.
Checkout their Himalyan video, they discuss that as well
Hey! We believe the 17" front wheeled Roadster is about six months away and the 19" wheeled Scram is about 12 months away. Best of luck and get well soon!
Hello Team MotorInc,
Please Debut Innova Crysta in your Videos....
I would love to know where Toyota Innova Crysta stands in sea of all modern Suvs & Mpvs...
Excellent recommendation! Will do
Hi motorinc, can we expect the ICE versions of the upcoming electrified suvs from Mahindra?
I love the way he sometimes refer it as hycross
The Best information. i like this information
Glad to hear that! ❤️
You guys are doing fantastic work and with a lot of detailing...Can you please review Bolero Neo as I am confused between Neo and XL6
Thank you! We are looking forward to driving the Neo. Hopefully soon.
Really confused weather i should go for brand new Seltos gtx plus petrol dct or second hand Jeep Compass model s 2021. Eagerly waiting for your reply as I’m not able to take the decision.
Could we suggest going for the HTX+ instead - the 17” wheels are better suited - comfort and quietness.
Kartikeya narration is so soothing and comforting it feels like i’m watching David Attenborough’s Animal Planet 😅❤
Thank you Sweeetabh!
Hays off to your script writer !!
Thanks so much!
I think with Phase 2 cars, Mahindra has build it's reputation right. Smooth, refined and bit more for niggle free. Only thing is, there's no proper 7 seater on Mahindra lineup except Marazzo and in the later case they have even forgot that it exists. If done right, Marazzo will become one of the best cars in that price lineup. Marazzo is also smooth and spacious than 7OO, in addition, can seat 7 with more comfort.
The above is written as we own both 7OO(DSL manual AX7) and Marazzo (5 year old base M2 ). TBH, even now, I prefer Marazzo.
Not sure about Invicto, as I have never experienced one, but will be an excellent product since it's a Toyota on Suzuki disguise.
Thanks for sharing your perspective Arun! No doubt that the Marazzo has been ignored.... 🤞🏽
Heyyy... please review the new Yezdi Roadster Retold and The Jawa 42 dual tone.... please please please... I have been requesting it for a long...😭😭😭😭
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@@motorinc please...will you?
It would be good you bring up real time issues and try to get updates from company on those. Example 700 has lower arm noise still not fixed even though company is replacing in warranty but even last year 700 has this issue which questions the realiability
We did speak about that in our View of the XUV. Will enquire again though.
make a short video about how to rev in bikes and cars both.
9:17 that Invicto's rear looks exactly like Ignis!!!!
Whaaat! 😊
Maruti be like 😢
Many of us 😮
Xuv is truly amazing with its suspension and engine... beautifully carved exterior but middle row are cramped seats are not comfortable... thats the main reason for me to skip hence its for family... loved it completely even though stability of the vehicle is not great..
Which engine did you drive?
petrol even diesel is good test drive only done .. middle row seats are bad at least captain seats would have sealed the deal
Any front wheel drive with monocoque chasis is simply a MPV anywhere in the world. So both are MPV's. Ladder on frame and rear wheel drives are SUV's
As we saw with the XUV and Invicto/HyCross there is a difference. It’s not the same.
Invicto/Hycross if practicality, reliability and longevity are your priorities. XUV, only if you need a diesel and AWD. XUV is fun to drive though and somehow drives more like a Ford than a Mahindra. Haven't driven the Invicto or Hycross, so can't comment on that.
Can’t argue with that! Do let us know what you think when you drive the Invicto. Thanks!
So, no one is going talk about how he used Hycross and Invicto interchangeably throughout the video.
Fine I guess😊.
Wooohoooo! How many times though?
Can you guys please review the XUV700 petrol version after BS6 Phase 2 update?
Noted!
I'm sure Invicto/Innova is a great car, but I'd always pick XUV between these two. ❤
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Kindly help me in this regard i travel around 5k kms per month got crysta altroz and city diesel...and a compass to self driven... altroz maintenance is like owning a luxury vehicle service is too costly for a periodic service i spend around 20 every time and things always go wrong in it... JDM is hassle free to maintain even after 200k.. should i go for hyryder exchanging my jeep or elevate
Depends on your budget. If you are talking about |Under 20 lakhs| segment, go for the Elevate.
It changes if you decide to extend it upto 25 lakhs, wherein Hyryder would be the best pick (if you want a Hybrid, else Seltos is equally impressive).
HyRyder is an easy recommendation. The strong hybrid will be efficient. Also - its suspension makes it feel a lot less tiring.
@@motorinc yep, didn't consider the suspension.
Also, which has better...Elevate or Hyryder??
HyRyder/aGrand Vitara better - because with a heavier load they still remain composed. The Elevate gets a bit bouncy when loaded up. All quieter cabin in the Japanese duo are a big plus for longer distances.
Will go for hyryder or vitara hence they offer better mileage when compared to elevate.. thank u ❤
Could you please please please make a video on MG Astor.
Thanks for the recommendation!
I have been following him since long he has changed many auto mobile channels & brands but one thing remains with him is HE LOVES TALKING.
he does fab when it comes to explaining features & pros & cons of cars but yet he loves talking 😅
Well tell him to talk less?
Anyone else felt that the background music was a bit off? Little less "Zen" this time?
Gotcha! Glad to hear what you think!
The Atkinson cycle engine on Toyota's does hamper performance quite a lot. These new hybrids are fuel efficient for sure but that's about it.
The Toyota hybrids are great for chauffeur driven crowds but do not offer any driver enthusiasm.
Toyota should have used the regular Otto cycle engine along with hybrid tech to improve performance
There’s a reason for it. They have to complement each other.
Hi would love a toyota hilux review.
Thanks for the suggestion
Please do a video on hector
Noted! Thanks!
Xuv with no ventilated seat is a big problem. Sonet /Venue two price segments below has ventilated seats.
It’s become a must have today…
How about XUV 700 Petrol
For the same cost how will it compare to a Jeep compass 4x4 2.0 Diesel Automatic ?
Diff product line though, not a spacious people carrier but one with better dynamics especially away from the tarmac and good interior materials
That will much smaller on the inside for sure. But it will feel more premium. Also A do you really need the 4x4?
yeah i do , since i go on decent trails with my Yeti now so will need the next one to be a 4x4@@motorinc
XUV is all good
But look at that Road Presence of Invicto
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I could never convince myself to pick a MM or TaMo car. Too scared of Toyota but Suzuki avatar would be my pick.
Thanks for sharing your perspective AY!
XUV 7OO Diesel is just fabulous
Mahindra's gonna tune their 2.2L mHawk to produce around 200HP and 500Nm for their upcoming facelifts and models prolly
It’s quite the bomb!
Nice
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Surprised how could Kartik like such poor design of the Invicto. I mean atleast Toyota strong hybrid design is acceptable. But Invicto does look like an extended tin can offer (50% more)
Watch the Invicto View too @abhishekbanodar9400! Kartik definitely touches upon this there. ua-cam.com/video/pUObOUzMeWg/v-deo.htmlsi=V7X9Czvvy0mGQm2O
Pls make a video on c3 AIrcross
Thanks for that! Noted.
In my opinion it’s the most confusing car. Amazing to drive but the company’s decisions on offering features and transmission make the customers not wanting to buy one..
'aesthetics' is the correct term ( and only one of the components of) what you term 'design'.
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XUV vs new Safari comparo please ..!
Noted!
Looking at the Hycross and Invicto, it seems Tata was always right with the Hexa.
If only…
Mahindra and Tata are still miles behind after sales and service, I'll take the Invicto
I feel it’s not a right comparo. The XUV is a SUV with go anywhere character while the hycross is a MUV with great mile munching point A to B character. It’s like comparing an Ertiga with a Thar.
Bit extreme your analogy. Will have to disagree. We had to get them together to know how they would fare.
Is it XUV 700 or '7 double oh' how is it pronounced ?
We’ll stick to seven hundred. 😁
Liked xuv700 except 3rd row space
That is a downer for it.
@@motorinc yah only downer... Regret it
I feel Scorpio N is the real big daddy!!
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I never realised how massive Innova Hycross is, until I saw it compared to XUV in the video. Calling it MPV is mislabeling.
Mega MPV?
Waiting for Yamaha R3 review 😢
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I fall in love Whatever toyota launch 😂
😆 Peace of mind?
@@motorinc Exactly 😃
Invicto just doesn't look good from the side because of wheels and the MVP body style but because of that it's a better people mover like a MVP should on the other hand Mahindra should sober down on XUV 700 design slightly.
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The video lacks the details. The video does not help the buying decision.
Please let us know how we could help you out. Happy to answer queries here. Thanks for connecting here.
Body to wheel ratio is perfect on xuv but innova looks bad because of that.
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Can story telling be better "NO", You might be great fit in some Shakespearian stage show.
When it comes to family car safety is first so I choose XUV 700 without thought because of bad build quality of maruti
Keep in mind it’s global Toyota platform so the safety argument won’t hold. Unless Toyota has dropped their standards.
@@motorinc then it is good I think hycross get 5 star ncap rating
A toyota is a toyota is a toyota.
Also, the resale of innova will be better than Invicto just due to that toyota badge.
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No car in the market has space for 7 people luggage even for a weekend trip. I prefer a 5 seater SUV instead.
Have you seen the HyCross? Check it out!
@@motorinc no not yet. its overpriced in my opinion especially hybrid variants. Do you think ~300ltr boot is enough for a family of 7?
Agreed - they should have had the strong hybrid in lower variants. Also - the petrol engine is pretty efficient. As for the boot - for weekend trips - you can do a lot more with it than its rivals. Let us know when you check it out. Thanks!
@@motorinc thanks, will let you know once I test drive it. 👍
Idk, somehow I just don’t like how xuv700 looks or any of the cars from Mahindra
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Me hear trying to read only positive comments on XUV
Which one have you got! We promise it’s awesome! 😁 Don’t worry!
the 700 @@motorinc
Conclusion: just pick the Toyota Innova Hycross
Just asking - how old are you? 😁
@@motorinc doesn't matter how old I am, there's just a lot I could learn from veteran auto journalists like you guys and also give my two cents on certain things I've experienced.
Still waiting for kiger video 🥲
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dude, what is that overused bell sound? pls stop
Thanks for the feedback!
XUV700 any time has diesel engine
🥊 that is special fo-sho
Just buy xl6 and save money.
Aww commmonmayaaann!
Toyota hycross is incredibly boring to drive.
Uncle mode - off. 😆
XUV700 winner better .Invicto is a cheap imitation plus misses out various features and luxury .
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
@@motorinc my experience driving 🚗 both these fat broad vehicles.
@@motorinc xuv700 much more fun and involving to drive, plush interiors looks and feels luxurious meanwhile the invicto is large as well as spacious but very compromised on features and luxury. It's like a big dog catcher van rather an ambulance 🚑 type of vehicle with poor tacky interiors for that amount of money. Too large like a lorry 🚚 difficult to nibble in city traffic.