How good do I need to be to play darts at Pub, Super League and County standard
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2021
- It is very widely debated in regards to what sort of average is needed at different levels in the UK. We do have a development system in the UK and a clear progressive path. But how good do you need to be at each level ?
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Thank you Edgar, nice instructive video!
I've almost given up darts, we have 3 guys in our local bar league that average 30 or higher per dart in 01 games, made me think there was no chance. I've been playing a year now and I'm averaging 23-24 per dart. This video shows me we have 3 exceptional players and not to compare my darts to theirs. Thanks for the video
I think it's better to have a higher standard that you can aim towards. It's hard to get better when you're winning easily too often
Great information. Thanks Matt.
Interesting video matt I've played pub league for around 8 years since I was 18 but stopped playing this season as lost interest a bit over the pandemic as didn't play for 18 months but love the game looking to practice and get back into it good luck for your season this year mate
Such a good idea for a vid bud. I don't play competitively and I have started practicing properly since last Chrimbo and it's good to know that my 65 av wouldn't be too shabby. Might go and chance me arm at the Social club in the next few weeks. Thanks dude.👊👊👊
Awesome video that matt your a legend in the darts game I'm in a darts league at my local pub startin on 21st gonna be awesome playin every Tuesday night
Thanks, Matt.
Exactly what I was looking for 🔥
Thanks for the info matt always great advice
Thanks Matt! Always wondered how much I need to improve to play pub darts! Need to have a gander at teams near me 👌🏼
PS you can tell you’ve been hitting the gym 😜
Yeah go give it a go 👍 cheers bud been training hard 💪
Good video Matt. Need to remember to concentrate on finishing as a good finishing 65 average can take down higher level players regularly
Fantastic video Mr. Edgar
Great video Matt! I definitely agree with this as someone that's played pub league and has just played my first 2 super league games.
I'm one of the better players in division 2 and have competed against div 1 players in pub league.
My first 2 games of super league I've averaged about 60 but if I did average that extra 1/2 points per dart I'd be competing in those games I played definitely
Really enjoyed that video Matthew Edgar :)
Glad you enjoyed that ! I love your channel 😁
Great video, just started a new team in our local pub and joined a league. After 8 games we are mid table, the nerves are our biggest obstacle lol never felt my knee shake like that before 😂😂
Great video Matt, I’m a pub standard player but it’s nice to hear that to compete in super league isn’t completely out of reach!
Awesome video Matt great advice......I am an above average player in Yorkshire and the one thing you need even at pub level is PRACTICE and the higher of competition you want the more practice is needed if you do not practice I would advise not to even attempt the game
Great video, only just come across this. Also it's so different playing at home in practice to face to face (well in my experience anyway) I practice really well, scoring, doubles, check outs etc but as soon as I face someone either in the pub or online boom! that form goes, I need to work out how to take that practice to my matches
As a young lad from Bedfordshire I can’t wait to jump onto the pub scene, hoping to start this summer seeing the county example of Bedfordshire gave me some useful insight good video thank you!
Good luck with your darts about to go on a fun exciting journey
@@Edgartvdarts been playing on and off since I was 9 really gave up as I got older - hoping to get back into it as started at a pub with my dad when I was younger, lost passion when the pub got shut down so I could only play at home hopefully eventually we can meet on the pro tour 😉
I was averaging 38 when I started my pub team 😅 now averaging 48 (at home!) And know I can compete and win more games, great to be playing again
Keep it up Gary👍🏼
how you doing now mate
Last season I won 60% of my games, I seem to raise my game (maybe alcohol). I'm very up and down in all honesty, in practise I average 44 to 50, so haven't progressed at all.
@@garythompson130 i average at around that at the moment too, have a few 60 average games too though
Good insight, I average around 43-53 I've always said if I get consistently above 50 will join a pub team, so I like how that sort of fits into your professional opinion 👍
Great video
Thanks for the video Edgar as Someone from the America I always wondered were I would have fit in your leagues. Always heard of the county leagues wondered if I would have been good enough. I my best I would have been upper middle super league.
Wow! Look at the 4:25 mark. The #14 player in Bedfordshire Super League was Martin Lukeman! He was 3rd best on his own team and averaging 75. It would be interesting to know what clicked with him that allowed him to raise his standard by 18 points or whatever. In fact, it would be fun if you did a "where did they come from" series. Everybody loves the Rob Cross story. So is Martin kind of the same thing? Are there a bunch more like them that something finally clicks and they take off? Love your vids.
Excellent video and a fantastic insight to what’s expected. I also believe if you’re serious about playing pub you’ll always find good players to play against. In my experience over 30 years ago my game improved hugely playing lads that were better than me. 👍🏻🎯
Hi Stuart. 💣squad.
Hi Brendan 👍🏻🎯
Get in and do it, I started throwing mid June this year and I'm looking at super League soon. Practice is key and get in a team
The pressure of just playing in front of people is a great leveller, it's crazy how nervous you can get just playing pub level darts. If you want to improve whatever level you are you have to play against the better players so if you are throwing 40 averages go to a pub team you'll steadily improve and progress up to super League.
Incredibly useful Matt. How’s best to find a pub league?
I think you've pretty much nailed it on the numbers there Matt, hopefully this video will encourage a few lockdown throwers to take the plunge and join a team, I know a couple who are reluctant as they think they'll not be good enough. They 100% are good enough for pub darts, they just gotta get out there and do it as you say!! 👍
I did. Joined a pub team and turned out to be the best player on the team currently sitting on 14 wins and 1 loss. My game improved immensely and I am also doing county trials for competitive experience. In October it'll be 2 years only that I am playing darts. 🙂
Very interesting, thanks Matthew! Damn I wish darts were more popular here in the states.
It’s growing from what I hear, slowly but it’s defo on the raise
@@Edgartvdarts Solf tip has hurt steel tip darts, here in America , like Danny was a solf tip player, who would play steel. There are certain parts of the country where steel is still preferred, but in other parts hard to find a steel tip league or even a blind draw.
@@dangreene9846 ye I think that’s the case in most countries like I think thanks to good performances in Belgium Germany steel tip is in the rise but a lot of countries the bets stele tip players come from soft tip but yeah hopefully runs like Danny biggish at the worlds can help get steel tip a bit more popular there cause you have got some great players Danny lay-by Danny biggish are great and I think others like Gary and Leonard too all tho they do play soft tip too but yeah hopefully it can help get some more steel tip leagues
@@gothicgolem2947 I don't play steel anymore because its a hour and a half drive for me to play. I think steel is much better game . The difference , you expect ton plus averages in soft tip. In steel hitting a ton is not as common, for the average player.
great content again. in germany much harder to find leagues. in my town (25000 inhabitants) we only have one pub with a darboard, and this had closed because of covid, and still isnt open. think they are bankrupt. There are 2 or 3 with E-Boards. So i play online mostly or for myself .
Most the time I go Germany I often see the elec boards rarely steel tip
@@Edgartvdarts thats it. we have some pubs with elec boards. and rarely none with steel darts.
Just got into darts and looking to join a pub team. This is great info to know.
I’m from Banbury too so not far from u. If I do get into a team we may meet in a pub one day 👌🏻
Excellent video as usual matt, play in a pub league and we have some canny players. Adam hunt brother Scott is good player
Be some cracking in earth gems all over just look what Alan soutar has done this year
I played pub league division 1 at the age of 14 I played county and super league at the same age unfortunately I had to stop playing due to having heart surgery at 19 couldnt play during recovery then unfortunately at 27 I had to have triple heart surgery 2 years later I am back on the board back playing and at a standard of where I was before averaging 29 to 32 per dart per leg, the hardest part has been competitive play due to covid also the hard part was getting a sponsor which I still do not have so funding all tournaments and cue school in January out of my own pocket it's been such a long journey to get where i am now and it's all self believe and practice with slight natural talent for the game in my personal opinion anybody can play in pub leagues as it's just a night out and a few beers unless pushing for division 1 or 2 which I would say you need to take the game seriously and a good standard of at least 75, 80 average
In the US I was winning local leagues by the time I was averaging 60. I could win tournaments at 70. And I won the Dart Players of New York averaging 80. To win the CDC US tour id have to be closer to 90
Yorkshire have two world champio be John boy Walton Scotty waited even a flint great video I average 43 so I ain't far from the pub league great video matt
Yeah, mine is between 45 - 50 av. sometimes it's close to 60 we play 10 matches best of 5. Four singles (501) two doubles (701) & again 4 singles (501). Starts at 20h & normally finished at 23h30 ;-)
I started a pub league a few years ago when I was 9 and then went to county youth for abit then dropped out and just played my first super league game last week and averaged 75 but the standard there is class
Interesting stuff i've never played in a team I play Against a mate of mine and the computer on occasion, and i'm averaging between 65 to 75 every week
I play for a team in northern ireland not particularly good but i have competed with some of the best players in the leagues theres one player 15 years old plays in the top team of the league he is going to be world champion he gave me tips and it increased my game got down to a finish in 27 darts
Love your vids Mr E..... I know you like your weird darts comps ideas, with regards to the world cup i thought of this idea..... PDC BLIND PAIRS.... top 128 tour card holders play a comp where each round your pairs partner is drawn from the hat, ie you could get mvg as your partner 1st round then re drawn You could end up with lisa Ashton 2nd round. Every round to the final is a new draw for your partner... Could be interesting lol
Not a bad idea Colin
I think maybe that could be a good idea for another tournament maybe cause the World Cup is about representing your country so maybe doing blind pairs with people from your country could work maybe
I noticed you put the pub darts section in twice.
Currently in my local pub league. Have been playing in the league for 2 years. I would be pretty happy if i made it to super league standard. Looking forward to watching the Wirral's first ever county match next weekend.
Merseyside rejects
Superleague isn't that much better than pub leagues over all. Most teams will have players averaging 65 or less apart from the best teams. Don't see it as Nirvana or being out of your reach. Just enjoy it.
Very cool info! Do these averages include closeouts? Hope not :0
Love the video Matt what would be average standard for PDC Development Tour? Cheers
If you look at darts connect it gives you the daily average average I’d say slightly above that stat
Unfortunately the Dev tour is a farce. The established tour players shouldn't be on there. How is a youngster averaging 55 going to develop if he gets smashed by players such as Keane Barry, Josh Rock and the like. The players like that have such an advantage. They can play on three tours and get more money on Dev tour than challenge tour players and pay less to play on it. the system needs tweeking. Maybe an idea for a new video from Matt.
When I was 18/20 years old I was regularly beating county players but i never joined any leagues. I had set of darts from the local shop, none of this trying out loads of darts to find s set which suited. Looking back, I should have joined a pub team and then move on to county.
In my local pub league, the only stat that is recorded is highest finish. I was leading with a 130 when lockdown hit. And thanks to the laws here in Ireland, we haven't been able to finish the league :(
Although there is a bit of competition and friendly rivalry in our league, it's mostly about having a bit of a laugh and a fair amount of beer. Can't wait for it to start up again....if it ever does!
It will be back ... hang in there 😁
Same with me in one of my leagues mine was 156, was top dog in my team, was in the final of the singles against Steve alker (played bdo and pdc) then league gets cancelled altogether but no harm still in two other leagues
The video doubled up on the pub darts section
Some stats/info from my league that back this video up:
In top tier 56.85 won 44% of 216 singles
In 4th tier 51.72 won 68% of 240 singles
70+ was only averaged 10 times by a single player over 4 singles in a night
eg. the same person winning in 20 darts 22 darts 21 darts and 23 darts
1 of those people was a former famous pro, and 2 others have played the circuit a bit
What’s it best of usually in pub leagues like how many legs are the matches ?
@@snipermonkey8777 typically each player gets 1 singles 1 pairs and 1 team game. Best of 1.
So your night is:
6-7pm get to the venue, practice with your mates
7-730 more practice with your mates while waiting for the opposition to arrive / get ready to go to the venue
800 both teams in the building
830 match starts
singles round first to 1 leg
random draw eg.
1v3
2v4
3v1
4v2
5v6
6v5
pairs first to 1 leg
1+2v1+2
3+4v3+4
4+5vs5+6
then maybe a 3/ss and / or 6/8s to finish.
Leave around 11 o clock
You typically play 3/4 legs in 3 hours in most leagues so it's mainly drinking with mates with some darts in between.
If you can find a 4 a side league I would def recommend that cos then you play 4 singles 3 pairs and 1 4s so 8 legs in 3 hours.
Thanks Matt, I'm new to playing and average 45. I was a bit apprehensive to join a pub team because of all the reasons you outlined.
I'm now determined to give it a go. Just gotta find a team!
Cause it is. Get out there and enjoy the game 😁
I'd say if you can go out in 8 against throw and 9 with throw in my local u stand a good chance a winning
Am 6th in the Cheshire superleague and average 26.78 so it's an 80.33 had 15 180's in 16 games had 4 in one game one in each leg.and had a nine darter last year lol the Cheshire open 😊
Just missed my son ( Josh Bean) off in the northants super league table was 39th last week and another win and a 20 average this week with a 15 dart leg. Its a shame you don't play in the Northants Super League as he is a big fan and would like to meet you.
To anyone who reads this and is not sure about playing Josh is 15 and started 2 years ago and although a lot of the time he maybe facing an uphill battle in his games he enjoys playing and enjoys the social side of the Game.
That’s awesome at 15. Does he play county youth aswell ?
@@Edgartvdarts yeah he plays youth county for Bucks he also plays in the JDC tours and is also going to Gibraltar for the World Youth Open and MVG masters. Maybe one day our paths will cross !
I am curious how many Americans play in any league? It's been over 25 years since I've thrown, got back into it buying a zippo at work. I have darts ranging from 22g to 27g. I have different flights, along with stems.
People worry about averages far too much, I've seen plenty of players have 14, 15, 16 SDA's at super league and they're perfectly happy with it. I play super league around Lincolnshire and they've got a strong county side this year and to get anywhere near it you'll need to consistently need to be touching 25 SDA's at least to even get a sniff.
I personally would say at into the 50s and 60s average wise and then play in the pub
anyone who is scared to at least try should know what they are missing out on. nights with great guys and great gals all cheering you on. even if you are the worst player in the team you find out who 2nd worse is and chase him down and have that determination and then the next guy until your at a level thats your best, then nobody will annoy you cause you must be winning as your better than some, i was same within my pub and was told oh you are great you should go play super league but i waited to improve first i went from a 60.39 in pub as my best average then in super league i improved just over 10-13percent so i was now trying county darts and it was horrific watching guys i know not in ma team batter 180 after 180 cause they can and im usually a guy who wants to play best player in the room because thats the guy i will learn from my average which finished 7 legs against a new pdc card holder this year . he hit an 12 dart hold i was on 201 after 9 2nd leg i through first 60 then 125 then 85 131 he took out 94 on bull for a 12 darter he won again with a 15 and i was on 221 after 12. this leg was mine i started 140 121 100 81 to leave 60 after 12 he sored 59 136 119 97 left him a ton i think but the we spoiled it with me missing 2 darts at d16 for 22dart leg i bust score 2nd dart and he hit d1 with 3rd dart for a 24 or 27 dart leg. shocking last leg but i lost 4-1 and have had the best day ever, such a laugh
I don't play much at all these days but I would say I average mid 50's I don't know what I would be able to do if I practised.
Double start and double finish is the best form of the game.
The 11th best player in Warwickshire history, love that
It's learning difficulties that stop me from going any further. I'm not a bad player but I can not learn the checkouts.
How do you get better, is it basically the more hours you put in the better you become (ish)?
London super League averages first week were poor. I was going to play London super League this season but it seems a bit of a closed shop . Having seen the averages I'm glad I never played . Also a lot less teams than there used to be and the general standard looks poor with just a couple of handfuls of proper super League players and averages. I might try and play Kent super League and see if that's less of a closed shop .
Really I wonder why that is maybe darts isn’t too popular in london
Full sound here xD
This may be a basic question, but how many darts in a leg count towards your average? I've seen different ways of counting it (1st nine darts, darts until score less than 100, all darts until checkout, etc). Just wondering which method they would be using in your examples. Thanks.
So your average is just the points you scored divided by the amount of darts thrown. Here you can work out your 1 dart and 3 dart(times one dart by 3) average for anything, 1 leg 501, a whole match, first 9 darts, first 15 darts etc. Playing in a pub league you don't count averages, although you could keep tally yourself to track progress. In my local superleague they record match averages so you will see the score of a match and then the average that both scored for the entire match, literally it could be 3000 points scored divided by 250 darts thrown times 3 for example and there's your match 3 dart average, 3 dart averages are whats shown on TV for the pros. Some superleagues only show your 1 dart average. Superleagues will also keep a leaderboard of all the averages scored. So u will often hear such and such is 'top of the averages' which means they have had the best performance in that league that season up to now. You will often see ex pros and current pros at the top of leaderboards. Just go on different counties county darts websites and you can look at these boards and understand the averages better. Like Matt says here though they are a guide. In my pub league if you play a 65 average you will beat 95% of people. There are some superleague and County players who play for their pub and smash it every week. Playing pub darts is amazing whatever level you're at its a very respectful game you will never get laughed at or feel stupid
Averaged 93 first to 10 with my practice partner matt, then absolutely woefull back in the pub with people watching, absolute bottle job all the time..
good video, but id say a little genourous on the numbers, 35-45 average would compete in pub games, 50 would excell, 50 average is 30 darts 501, go watch some pub games your see the vast majority will go over 30 darts. i played super lge some 16 years ago, perhaps the standard has changed a little but i competed with a overall average of 20. so 60. my best was 23.8 but my worst was 17 or something i was all around the 20 mark per dart, i lost more then i won but i did compete and win some games. the players at the time that exelled were throwing 25+ very rarely you see a guy with a 30 average. ans was always told to be looked at for county you would need to be throwing 25+ consistantly but more importantly winning your games.
When I was younger people would see you throwing in the bar with your friends and you could get roped into a pub team but noticed not so many dartboards in pubs now so maybe not as much opportunity.
@misfit: Totally agree. Back into darts after 25 year absence & saddened to see most of the pubs i played in without a board or turned into restaurants or hairdressers! I found a convenient pub with a board but disappointed there was no team & whenever I popped in to chuck a few, very rarely did anyone take any interest or give me game. Strange considering how popular darts still seem to be on TV & social media
There's a guy in my league who averages 97 but he's scared to go full time and break into the top 32 in the world because A, he likes his job currently and B, he doesn't think the darts will last forever. What do you suggest and what's your advice? He's a tradesman and has his own company. Thanks
Lol you must be trolling right
My granny averages 104 shes 102ysars old but she claim darts is for pussirs
Two words for you: Jonny Clayton
I'm at 41 average so far hoping increase to 55 by end of the year
My mom has a friend who nearly went on the PDC when it first started
And if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle
@@Echo-mz6tzlol
I live in the USA so idk if this translates
2:21 Only the most British men of them all can be in a Snooker club and also play in the Darts Superleague.
Can I ask why averages are much talked about. I gauge it on visits as opposed to scores. In addition to that I have played poorly (low average) and won and vice versa. Is it not about giving yourself a chance and then believing in yourself and taking that chance? I point out though that I only play pub leagues in a poor second division team but good third division team.
Never really understood it either tbf
Bonjourno Matt. Bedroom average of 80 will not usually translate into a superleague average of 80. Very unlikely to translate Into 80 average for county. You need to find your levels organically by coming through the system. You'll need to acclimatise and adapt. Once you become comfortable at each level kick on to a higher level. Throwing in your bedroom practicing watching sky sports news is a different kettle of hot dogs to playing on stage isn't it? Also forget averages. Lakeside average was 79 wasn't it? Just win your game and forget the average . You'll win because you e put pressure on your opponent or hit your doubles and times your scoring and finishing. Who cares of you won with a 79 average or 93? He's sitting dow with an 88 average n and you're in the next round after a 79. People end up with worse averages because they are worried about their average lol then it costs them the game too. Ive been playing brilliantly in practice. 11 and 12 darters in practice , on return to match play I've felt tighter, however I've started focusing on mental techniques the last week or two for online games and the results have seen a significant improvement and consistency. It's not there yet but I've seen value in improving the mental game and the process has been validated. I'd love to see some videos on state of mind or overcoming pressure situations but then again if it helps players then maybe keep it to yourself lol. I also personally feel that a darts coach for people that can play is of less use than a sports psychologist or self improvement by studying sports psychology. I don't think the mental side of the game is given enough focus.
Its not how good you are in practice, its how good you are in a match! superleagues and counties differ in standard, hence why some counties are playing in division 4 and some are playing in division 1.
Are you sure you are commenting on the right video ? I think you must have watched something else first and accidentally commented on this one 🤣
@@Edgartvdarts I've just checked and yes I've commented on the right video
RIP Kyle Anderson
How do I actually go about finding/joining a team?
Type league Republic, darts and some towns near where you live into Google and see what comes up
Go to a pub and see if they got a team and if they need players
Pub darts section gets repeated twice! Haha
That’s just a test to see who is skipping the video 👀
@@Edgartvdarts no skipping here, just started to think "wait a minute, I recognize this..."
Most players aren't super consistent like the PDC players or people that have played league for 30 years. Bottom line, just get out there and learn. There's no replacement for experience and you can't buy it, you have to earn it. Pick the mind of the best players around and enjoy the journey.
Ur rite dere no one will laugh at u in darts it's a good gang I've see lads miss d board with the 3 darts u don't laughl (or try not when it's someone ya know and they can actually throw)
Id say superleague 75 county A 81 county B who cares ... pub ... Who cares. My average online is 78.. have had some 90s and loads of 80s . All best of 11 to best of 19 so longer format than county . I think I could play county A easy but as it's hard getting into the closed shop super League I've decided to play Vs Taylor and Deller and co next year. Obviously I need to transfer online to venue darts bit hopefully I'll get up to speed quick enough.
No sound you will have to re do it
My sound is fine
Check your not muted its working find this end and ive tested on 3 devices, it can sometimes mute in the top right hand corner
@@Edgartvdarts yea it's fine now I want muted though, weird
Yeah sometimes youtube does that dunno why they have made this a feature, strange
You repeated the pub section twice mate aha
First. Also no sound matt.
My sound is fine
refresh and check the top corner for a mute button make sure its not on working find here and tested on different devices
@@Edgartvdarts all good now Matt. Thanks mate. Keep the good content up.
awesome, cheers Liam
I average 45 but I won’t joint a league as I’m rubbish at the maths 😂
Try some isolated drills that should help
@@Edgartvdarts what’s the best drills for that? Have you done videos about them?
No sound
My sound is fine
refresh and check the top corner for a mute button make sure its not on working find here and tested on different devices
It's fine now, strange
Yeh no sound matt
My sound is fine
Check your not muted, working fine this end
I'm fine now sound is back on great video that matt your a legend