That was actually remarkably restrained for Matthias, he is the most aggressive civ for early wars in my experience. Those slingers made him take pause for a second, normally he can declare within 5-10 turns of meeting you, especially that close to his borders.
@@Quetzietse The problem with Matthias is that his agenda, Black Army, is quite terrible. You are forced to spend a fortune if you want to maintain good relatioship with him and in early game you don’t have the funds to do that. And once you get them it is not worth it anyway.
Montezuma attacked me as I was piecing up Hungary. Let's just say, my 8 bombers, 4 fighters and 2 subs did jackshit against 6 death robots on my continent. Lmao I did not survive I had to surrender
I've only been playing Civ since the start of this year and I'm already yearning for more challenging AI and struggling in the game. Like the nation building aspect might be therapeutic and enjoyable but it definitely gets boring /repetitive to me. Getting fucked over by the AI brings so much more fun into the game
30:25 "I have a military, so I need to get value out of that military, and the way that you get value out of a military is you continue to go to war." - The US Government
Lol there's literally a philosopher (max weber IIRC) who said "war made the state and the state made war" when describing state capacity/ability. Basically the desperation to survive in a war makes your country stronger cuz you get good at extracting resources, labor and taxes from your land/populace. But then once you have that capacity and military...
@@organizerbmo Charles Tilly* He used this to explain early-modern state formation. Especially the taxing part is important. In order to go to war a ruler needs more resources which makes it necessary to build up the bureaucracy in order to tax the population. But as you do this, and becomes a military threat, other rulers will have to respond similarly, which makes it so that you must respond etc. Consequently, as polities make war and prepare for war, the modern state gets built.
I'm not sure it would actually have made a difference. When he put it down, I didn't actually see his Culture-per-turn increase. I think the city center might not actually count.
I play on a lot of smaller maps because that's just what my PC can handle. This kind of start is what I'm trying to get used to, and honestly, hearing Potato explain how to manage early game wars and unit loss is something i need to level up my own game
This is one of my favorite types of games because if you hold off and then defeat one of your neighbors by the end of the classical era, the snowball is massive and it’s like a free win.
Started a new game as Abe Lincoln yesterday, Jadwiga had 6 warriors swarming my capital by turn 20, I managed to hold them off with slingers and my own warriors. She immediately levied a city state that was 4 tiles away from me, it had 5 archers, while I just barely got started on archery. After a grueling grind, I managed to absorb the city state and 3 polish cities into my empire. Also by pillaging the cities before capturing I managed to settle 5 more cities, build a sizeable army, and kickstart a pretty damn chunky economy. I feel like every game I play above the king difficulty is like this, the bots get such stupid start bonuses that they immediately declare war because they start with multiple cities, units and free science/gold. It's actually kind of boring, any higher difficulty game where you spawn near another civ will start with a grindy 50 turn long war, that you will most likely win due to the AI being shit at war and relying on boosted stats. It's getting boring, I may go back to lower difficulties just because I'm tired of over half my games being wars for the 1st 100 turns.
Reminds me of that Japan thunderdome game where you spawned right next to Indonesia from the very first start, and the war was super intense, especially when your capital started to flip lol
These thunderdome games are very fun to watch. The one you did with Nubia is still one of my favorite series. Also, that Tundra Yosemite makes my inner St. Basil’s Cathedral lover very happy.
for this kind of start, I would 100% prefer with clans on, since the new continent will have city states and the barbs wont just spawn there and flooooood everything as soon as someone goes over there
I really want to make a mod (preferably a Germany) where barbarians are not hostile towards you but you can't build settlers and attain settlers by clearing barb clans aka "convincing" them to join you. Unfortunately I have no idea how to do that.
Yay regular map without tons of settings changes! 👍 Makes it so I understand the game that you are playing because I have played it too. With a bunch of mods and settings changes it's too foreign.
After seeing you do a thunder dome map, now I want to see you do a full domination/war version of this with the Zulu. If I recall correctly, you have not played them in quite some time?
Feel the need to say I was watching this video while working, and on my lunch break it made me go yknow I really want to try terra map. And I shit you not I found Hungary and he declared war on me immediately. The AI simply knew.
Hungary: I see you Potato....>WAAAAAAAAAAR! Potato: Okay...come at me Bro Hungary: Ah crap...peace please? Potato: Nope you started this.....I shall end it.
Does potato speed up his videos? I swear it sounds artificially fast a lot of the time. Been watching some older vids, and they're more pleasant to watch since they're slightly slower paced. I can't keep up with these cuts XD
Now that you have had some distance between you and Humankind, Old World and Age of Wonders 4, how do you feel about those games and their ability to generate fun sessions of gameplay similar to civ?
Pretty weird that barbs can't take the capital, I hope that they get a whole lot of love in Civ VII since they still feel like they have not unleashed their full potential
You're not dumb. There are a lot of mechanics. You learn from watching UA-cam or trial and error. Or you could read the manual, but who has time for that?
so Potato, just one thing, at around 9:00 you were talking about the Agoge card and hovering your Mouse over it, please please please dont move it around so much, I dont have time to play the game so much and watch your videos in fragments so if you talk about something like the policy cards or pantheons and so on, please keep the text window in one place so it can be read without pausing every time
Civ 6 never hooked me. I put over 1k hours into Civ5, about 200h into Civ 4, and maybe 200h into the other Civ games over the years. I'm a history nerd and other than the amazing narration in Civ 6 the rest of the game felt too plastic to me. Too cartoonish. I really tried too. I waited for the 2nd expansion, bought all the DLC, waited for the game to be in a great spot, and still it never did it for me.
So... Terra is kinda a weird name for this map type, right? I get the idea. They're trying to simulate a certain idealized fantasy of colonization by having everyone develop on one continent and then rush to the other (pristine, empty) one to claim its resources. It's a perfectly fine and fun concept for a game mode. But calling it "Terra" - and thus suggesting that it's analogous to Earth's actual history - is very weird, given that the game is otherwise pretty committed to recognizing native American civilizations as real, legitimate civilizations. Given that commitment, it's strange that they're seemingly buying into the fantasy that the western hemisphere was empty until white people showed up. I think I'd call it "Asymmetrical" or something like that.
Potato: starts a game
Hungary: and I took that personally
Potato: *And I took that*
also Potato: Nice Pyramids
That was actually remarkably restrained for Matthias, he is the most aggressive civ for early wars in my experience. Those slingers made him take pause for a second, normally he can declare within 5-10 turns of meeting you, especially that close to his borders.
@@Quetzietse The problem with Matthias is that his agenda, Black Army, is quite terrible. You are forced to spend a fortune if you want to maintain good relatioship with him and in early game you don’t have the funds to do that. And once you get them it is not worth it anyway.
I'm almost positive that when the player goes on a war, there's a hidden algorithm that causes barb spawns to go apeshit and strike your back line.
But sometimes they just swarm the city for no reason. Like you insulted them by just existing
@@tomclany8423they ruined só much of my games lmao, randomly showing up with three barb horses and one that is the special ranged horse 😢
Just ruined a game at turn 90😢
Montezuma attacked me as I was piecing up Hungary. Let's just say, my 8 bombers, 4 fighters and 2 subs did jackshit against 6 death robots on my continent. Lmao I did not survive I had to surrender
@SPQSpartacus Yep, the anti-player bias is a stupid game mechanic that should've never been implemented.
Potato: He's not at war with anyone else
Australia: Am I a joke to you?
Tbf to the ai if the roles were reversed every player would steamroll them because anything else would be suboptimal
Venetian Arsenal
Yes, we do want to watch Potato struggle & get stuck into a delicious world war. Less of the culture rubbish, more death & destruction.
Wait for him to somehow pivot this into a ridiculous preserve centered culture game lol
Or pivot to go crazy with a religious victory...somehow lol.
I've only been playing Civ since the start of this year and I'm already yearning for more challenging AI and struggling in the game. Like the nation building aspect might be therapeutic and enjoyable but it definitely gets boring /repetitive to me. Getting fucked over by the AI brings so much more fun into the game
Potato: "Ludwig Is great! We can earn early culture for free just by placing down wonders..."
Refuses to place down ToA for like 30 turns 😂
30:25 "I have a military, so I need to get value out of that military, and the way that you get value out of a military is you continue to go to war." - The US Government
This is too fucking accurate
Too real man
Lol there's literally a philosopher (max weber IIRC) who said "war made the state and the state made war" when describing state capacity/ability. Basically the desperation to survive in a war makes your country stronger cuz you get good at extracting resources, labor and taxes from your land/populace. But then once you have that capacity and military...
"This civ over there has oil, which we need. Now what I'm about to do is a pro gamer move..."
@@organizerbmo Charles Tilly* He used this to explain early-modern state formation. Especially the taxing part is important. In order to go to war a ruler needs more resources which makes it necessary to build up the bureaucracy in order to tax the population. But as you do this, and becomes a military threat, other rulers will have to respond similarly, which makes it so that you must respond etc. Consequently, as polities make war and prepare for war, the modern state gets built.
Potato trolling missing 20+ culture by not plopping Artemis in capital
I'm not sure it would actually have made a difference. When he put it down, I didn't actually see his Culture-per-turn increase. I think the city center might not actually count.
@@TaranAlveinit counts
@@TaranAlvein the culture per turn and other stuff doesn't update very consonantly in this game so u don't see it increase immediately
This is a really fun and different start.
ya know, from the hungary view, Potato was that barb camp that went unit crazy...
I play on a lot of smaller maps because that's just what my PC can handle. This kind of start is what I'm trying to get used to, and honestly, hearing Potato explain how to manage early game wars and unit loss is something i need to level up my own game
This is one of my favorite types of games because if you hold off and then defeat one of your neighbors by the end of the classical era, the snowball is massive and it’s like a free win.
Play Gilgamesh on Marathon. Spawn Donkey Carts, reap the whirlwind. Eeehaawwww.
Started a new game as Abe Lincoln yesterday, Jadwiga had 6 warriors swarming my capital by turn 20, I managed to hold them off with slingers and my own warriors. She immediately levied a city state that was 4 tiles away from me, it had 5 archers, while I just barely got started on archery. After a grueling grind, I managed to absorb the city state and 3 polish cities into my empire. Also by pillaging the cities before capturing I managed to settle 5 more cities, build a sizeable army, and kickstart a pretty damn chunky economy.
I feel like every game I play above the king difficulty is like this, the bots get such stupid start bonuses that they immediately declare war because they start with multiple cities, units and free science/gold. It's actually kind of boring, any higher difficulty game where you spawn near another civ will start with a grindy 50 turn long war, that you will most likely win due to the AI being shit at war and relying on boosted stats. It's getting boring, I may go back to lower difficulties just because I'm tired of over half my games being wars for the 1st 100 turns.
20:19 "Who else is he at war with?"
*Shows that he's in war with Australia*
"He is not at war with anyone else*
Reminds me of that Japan thunderdome game where you spawned right next to Indonesia from the very first start, and the war was super intense, especially when your capital started to flip lol
No force can ever make me play on terra (anything above emperor), unless I'm Kupe, or maybe Harald
These thunderdome games are very fun to watch. The one you did with Nubia is still one of my favorite series. Also, that Tundra Yosemite makes my inner St. Basil’s Cathedral lover very happy.
Potato: let's see if we can flee to the peaceful continent
Hungary+Maya+Barbs: hold that thought sir
Switch commercial hubs and industrial zones for more production with dams and aqueducts
13:43 potato’s sanity being dropped out of the window 😂 how I feel on most games at some point, especially with barbs
for this kind of start, I would 100% prefer with clans on, since the new continent will have city states and the barbs wont just spawn there and flooooood everything as soon as someone goes over there
25:35 Series where Potato struggled the most were ones which were the most interesting ones imo
Historically speaking, The Fall of Rome couldn't have happened, as barbarians can't sack capitol cities
Hungary: "Alright, early war, shouldn't be too bad."
Potato: "And I took that personally"
Must feel nice getting revenge on Hungary after that Birthday Stream
Potato: need to get these chariots love their high attack
Also potato: never makes one
Hearing him say “you blast him, ok then you finish him!” The New Yorker in me yelled PAUSE!
I really really like this idea for a game, Potato
I love these early war games, it's very fun to watch
I really want to make a mod (preferably a Germany) where barbarians are not hostile towards you but you can't build settlers and attain settlers by clearing barb clans aka "convincing" them to join you.
Unfortunately I have no idea how to do that.
I love how you kept trying to do that double settler but it was just not happening
The acceptance of the war makes me sad. I enjoy the rage potato when he's forced to war😂
Yay regular map without tons of settings changes! 👍
Makes it so I understand the game that you are playing because I have played it too. With a bunch of mods and settings changes it's too foreign.
Finally Ludwig 🎉
This video was long overdue, Ludwig is by far the most interesting of the new leaders.
That battering ram and two swordsman should take that city.
Gives up on the war effort right when it gets easy 😂 “how much more value could I expect to get out of this military?” You could kill them all, bro.
Most of this video was just Potato justifying war and I'm here for it.
After seeing you do a thunder dome map, now I want to see you do a full domination/war version of this with the Zulu. If I recall correctly, you have not played them in quite some time?
Feel the need to say I was watching this video while working, and on my lunch break it made me go yknow I really want to try terra map. And I shit you not I found Hungary and he declared war on me immediately. The AI simply knew.
that was very entertaining, nice vid
Very interesting, looking forward for the rest of it
ive never realised that ludwig starts with munich rather than aachen. which is fitting, as ludwig was bavarian.
Wow, those barbs are so irritating
Hungary: I see you Potato....>WAAAAAAAAAAR!
Potato: Okay...come at me Bro
Hungary: Ah crap...peace please?
Potato: Nope you started this.....I shall end it.
Ngl, for sure thought you’d start with pottery and insta place the great bath for the culture.
You would have made so much culture placing temple of artemis when you unlocked archery
Anyone else screaming at the screen for him to build a battering ram?
30:26 This is what I mean when I say playing Civ helped me understand real world politics
Challenge: Take a shot every time potato reminds us that barbs can’t capture your capital city ❤
Oh really, they can't? Sounds like something he should've told us.
Would reaally like to see a victoria naval and air domination game on got lakes map. I have tried it recently and want to see how it can be done.
We are fucking back baby!!!
"or we'll crash against him like a wave of patheticness" - cute :)
Does potato speed up his videos? I swear it sounds artificially fast a lot of the time. Been watching some older vids, and they're more pleasant to watch since they're slightly slower paced. I can't keep up with these cuts XD
Tato swiped right on hungry
Damn it Potato! I’m meant to be going to bed!
Here comes the war train. Choo choo.
Venetian arsenal
And temember kids, if youre going to Crab Bucket; Crab Bucket early and mever stop. Its forver war or nothing.
LOVE thunderdome civ
the barbarian almost conquer your capital.
"The only way to get value out of military is constant war". US foreign policy in a nutshell.
Terra games are always a treat. No modes makes it even better.
Now that you have had some distance between you and Humankind, Old World and Age of Wonders 4, how do you feel about those games and their ability to generate fun sessions of gameplay similar to civ?
Quick, potential dumb, question. How come I don't have some of these leaders like Ludwig? Steam says I have all the dlc purchased.
How do you show the yield potential from the pin? I can’t seem to figure it out. Thanks!
Pretty weird that barbs can't take the capital, I hope that they get a whole lot of love in Civ VII since they still feel like they have not unleashed their full potential
Are you a sadist?
deity sounds stressful
thanks for your videos. those episodes getting shorter and shorter and it makes me sad
The AI doesn't even do military units to defend, what's the fun of it!?
Thank you for your video
Last time I did a terra map, I got Maya and was completely landlocked. oops
32:09 Rome, 1527AD
Temple of Artemis!!!
I have a question how do you put technology in queue the in the science tree, i have been looking for some time now but cant find the answer
Hold shift when you click.
I thought scuffed start meant you had to give up on this Ludwig file like the other one. That would have been the beginning of a Potato-Ludwig curse!
Can we get more AoW4 content? Like maybe a nuzlocke challenge of some sort?
Uhh am I dumb? How have I never known you could put a city under siege and stop it from healing??? I have like 300 hours in this game wtf
You're not dumb. There are a lot of mechanics. You learn from watching UA-cam or trial and error. Or you could read the manual, but who has time for that?
@@ravanamon yea that’s what I always come to realize when watching potato’s videos. Always these niche mechanics in civ that I just never knew about
Yosemite “yo-seem-it-tee”
The Soviets on the 15th of April 1945: 7:57
Ludwig is lowkey broken
where do you get the terra map?
so Potato, just one thing, at around 9:00 you were talking about the Agoge card and hovering your Mouse over it, please please please dont move it around so much,
I dont have time to play the game so much and watch your videos in fragments so if you talk about something like the policy cards or pantheons and so on, please keep the text window in one place so it can be read without pausing every time
just google it
we need a nre CIV 7 , its been too long.
What's a venetian arsenal
It's what they called your mom back in the day
got em @@twinkyoctopus
Is whisky a luxury for you Potato?
Beautiful
tough
I been fiending for a germany dom
Civ 6 never hooked me.
I put over 1k hours into Civ5, about 200h into Civ 4, and maybe 200h into the other Civ games over the years.
I'm a history nerd and other than the amazing narration in Civ 6 the rest of the game felt too plastic to me. Too cartoonish.
I really tried too. I waited for the 2nd expansion, bought all the DLC, waited for the game to be in a great spot, and still it never did it for me.
why didnt he siege esztergom before walls? wasnt even attacking with warrior. guh.
Yeeeees!! Love it potato
No save file in discord?
Yo-sem-it-ee
Am I going crazy or did he place hanging gardens at 2 different times
I’m watching this with closed captions and instead of Lady Six Sky the best it could do was Lady Sex Guy
Anyone know the seed for this?
Potato, it's very nice of you to play this game in Honor of Tina Turner, everyone's favorite Private Dancer. That is why you're doing this, right?
:'v I do disagree with the war thingy. Can we colonise in peace pls 🤠
i would really want to see you play more of modded civilizations
🎉
It's pronounced "yo-SE-me-tee". From a Californian.
So... Terra is kinda a weird name for this map type, right?
I get the idea. They're trying to simulate a certain idealized fantasy of colonization by having everyone develop on one continent and then rush to the other (pristine, empty) one to claim its resources. It's a perfectly fine and fun concept for a game mode.
But calling it "Terra" - and thus suggesting that it's analogous to Earth's actual history - is very weird, given that the game is otherwise pretty committed to recognizing native American civilizations as real, legitimate civilizations. Given that commitment, it's strange that they're seemingly buying into the fantasy that the western hemisphere was empty until white people showed up.
I think I'd call it "Asymmetrical" or something like that.
Wow I hate you so much
Tbh this start looks horrible