I once had a start on a flood plains and spent a turn just trying to move to the other side of the river, and then my settler died from a flood ending my 2 turn civ game.
I had a crazy one like that. I started next to a volcano on a hill tile next to the ocean. So I only had 2 tiles I could move, both hills. I moved, volcano blew up and would have killed me no matter which direction I moved 😂
Well, if you hover over for the description of a legendary position, it says that it can be good, but players don't get 'fair' starting locations. I think it removes the typical limits and values which AI uses to determine the regular starting position, so you can be either spawned next to a wonder or in the middle of a desert. Essentially, it's an unchecked RNG, not a guaranteed "better" location.
You'll get a resource rich start position.. Might be that it only really comes up later on because its all hidden behind techs though.. So struggle to survive till then I suppose.
He did/does do an OCCASIONAL video where is showing people how to get out of messes that you can often find yourself in when playing Civ on higher difficulties!
Because of you, Potato, I started playing out every awful start I get and there’s no feeling like beating the odds and finding a way to pull it off. Unfortunately, 90% of the time the AI just decides I’m not worthy of my lands.
@@cherrydragon3120 if you spawn between a desert and tundra with civs on both sides, you’ll probably be walking for a while before you find the right spot.
Tato: Militaristic City State Suzerain Bonus: Every time you capture a builder or settler from someone you are at war with, you get 2 settlers or 2 builders (the second ones goes in your capital). A settler that has already been captured if recaptured by the opponent cannot be used to get yet another settler.
You should have put the Harbour below your city instead, it would still be +3 and you could build the mausoleum on a desert tile instead, then you get to keep the grassland marsh tile (+3 food) and eventually put a golf course on it so you would get the extra culture because it is next to your city.
“My plan is to scramble, and just… eek out an existence on the edges of society.” Is this just Scotland in a nutshell (Scottish don’t take offense pls)
Not just the poor location but the fact that you got boxed in after like 5 turns was imcredible. Honestly, your enthusiasm is amazing. I would have rerolled and even if I hadn't when I saw I had a sliver of the island and was jammed behind a CS and an opponent I would be rerolling. Putting yourself into these positions has made you a much better player. Good stuff.
These starts are so much more fun to watch then perfect starts. When Potato has to scramble immediately and play perfectly to even get in the running to win. Also, Potato McBane was S+ Tier content.
I had a random map put 4 nations out on peninsulas while I claimed the "mainland" -- I then began a very aggressive trading program with all of them. Each round of tech trading: +1 tech for them, +4 tech for me. I quickly started building the wonders and a military to aggressively keep them from contacting each other. It was an amusing game. Not challenging, but rather amusing.
I love civ and i really enjoy 6. But I work 60hrs a week and have very little time for such a high time investment game. And all my friends have the attention span of a gnat so I always play it solo. But watching your videos makes me feel just like I am playing it myself. The editing, pacing, and commentary are great. Thanks a ton for the hard work in the videos.
Truly, one of the start locations of all times I really admire you, I never won a Deity game, I always leave my saves halfway through the game Thanks for the content bro
@@tagesvaterpatrick8780 Well that bit at the end DEFINITELY shows Potato is a bit crazy! I think that's why most of us like him though, it's one of my favorite things about him!!!
Perhaps use the same settings as PotatoMcWhiskey, but use Terra map, huge, cold and wet with Kupe, just to let you have a great start? Then you can have a whole continent for yourself for a long time?
I feel like golf courses should be able to go on desert tiles later into the game (at a later tech or civic) because golf courses in the real world can go on deserts, they just need a lot of technology.
Not really, moving sod and water is pretty damn easy, at least when you compare it to all the work that making a golf course actually has! But yes, you SHOULD be able to place a Golf Course ANYWHERE!
I love the idea of playing just to survive. It can be so unnerving but there's also someting very liberating about knowing from the start that you'll probably not win.
I know you did a beginner's Civ 6 tutorial a while back but honestly this was so helpful for getting my heads around the mechanics of getting a civ up and running, thank you!
So I haven't played CIV at all, I have no idea why it is a bad starting position but yet I felt captivated enough to watch it the whole way through. Well done!
I can't believe the thumbnail made this start look better than it ended up being... The geography around you and being sandwiched into the corner by Chandragupta by turn 7 is BRUTAL. I'm even more impressed that you drafted this start through complete chance - I was completely expecting this to be a "worst start ever?" seed shared online.
This is every start I get in multiplayer, my friends will always go "it's fine just play it, mine's not great either" then when I find them they have like triple the average resources.
Feels like you should've put the Campus next to the volcano, with the Government District in the middle. The terrible tiles aside, I personally prefer to be aomewhat boxed in since I prefer to play tall, and that basically forces it.
I won’t lie man, this is exactly why I love civs. You right of the bar before making a actual move just showed so many people as to why you can do anything in this game. Props to your Mr Potato
I love monopolies and corporations mode. And not just because I hate domination victory. The industry+ improvements are wonderful for getting a new city off the ground, especially in desert or tundra.
I really love ur civ videos, I’m a pretty casual player myself and there’s loads of things I still don’t know. But I really appreciate how you explain everything you’re doing and why in a very simple and easy to follow way. Keep up the great content
If you are settling coastal cities you ALWAYS pick Liang as your first governer. Then you go for the fisheries perk and you get massive population growth by turn 100. I always move her around so all my coastal cities can build the fisheries
Tiles with fisheries don't benefit from Shipyards. It's usually better to keep Liang in a single city so that the Fishery tiles also get the +1 production.
I remember when Chandragupta was in my game one time. His hatred for neighbors resulted in a chain reaction of him conquering one civ after the other. His civ owned half the world. Ever since then I made sure to leave him out of the leader pool.
How he made the whole audience go "Yeah, yeah, that'll work": "And that would be a Venetian Arsenal right there, just a 100% chance, right? Could you start to see how this is starting to come together?" Edit: This quoting took way to long to do lol
Still learning how to play but the last 2 games I’ve lost because the countries I was competing with added a couples of cities with 1-3 tiles tops and lost by a hair. Gotta love when you take back your city states and take most the country you’re at war with just to check the map and see 5 new super tiny cities, with absolutely no way of them flourishing, just a distinct and city center😢
One green square at the end of a desert peninsula? I can imagine Monty Python's Yorkshiremen saying "Bah! When I was a boy, we wished we *had* a green square!"
Man I thought I had a bad start in my current game, but this is on another level... I had a huge flat desert as Freddy Germany with only minimal campus spot, but at least I have space to settle build districts and get it that way.
Back in the days it took me a while to realize that "legendary start" means in most cases "legendarily bad start". Don't know what the developers were thinking.
As a new player, seeing you pull off this start on Deity gives me hope on my bad starts on prince difficulty, maybe I should stop rerolling, trying to work with bad odds and make them work seems like as fun as getting favorable odds.
I tried to trade Britain citrus for 8 gold a turn and over 50 gold on top of that and she wasn't having it even when I threw up open borders. Then I took it all away and traded her tea and she was willing to give me all her gold which was 300 and pay 10 gold a turn. Not sure if this is intentional in the game but it sure is funny.
I just finished a Scotland play through ( win condition was science). Scotland is super fun and strong especially when they get their "Scottish Enlightenment" going! It definitely teaches you a lot about amenities and happiness.
How I would play this starting point: • Found a pantheon with desert folklore, and then a religion with work ethic; a Holy Site will have lots of adjacency bonuses and will add a ton of production to the city, increased through the Scripture policy card • Build both the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus _and_ Petra • Found other cities in more arable locations, build trader units, send them to the capital, and establish domestic routes • Use the adjacency bonuses provided by the two aforementioned wonders to build a Theatre Square, and build a Government Plaza between that _and_ the Holy Site; I'd also try to build a Harbor with at least +3 gold adjacency bonuses, and quickly add a lighthouse to it • Assign Magnus as the first governor and unlock Surplus Logistics; once I have another city with high food yields, I'll send Magnus there and assign Liang to the capital, with a particular focus on getting Aquaculture and building fisheries • Purchase a Granary ASAP There, now your capital is a powerhouse 😁
This is interesting to me, because in your situation I would have absolutely rushed headlong towards Petra. It would leave me scrounging until I got that up and running, for sure, but once it's done, things immediately get a lot better.
Good that you turned on "Legendary" start location. Legendary is going to be your play to revert that awful start and get a win out of this. Good luck with that! Great video as always, Potato.
Thanks for doing weird starts like this one. They're more interesting than good starts. Love it when you say "this city has no production, which is fine". "Adieu" is pronounced ad-ee-err, not ad-way.
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Gets Scotland, immediately spawns in a Par 5 sand trap next to a water hazard.
Lmaoo
It's playable, you just gotta [describes a shot that defies Newtonian physics]
Lol
It's more like Scotsea
@@jamesg4460 nah just needs to hit an epic flop shot over the volcano with backspin to avoid war with India
"...and a legendary start position" he said, without knowing it would be legendary but in a different way
underrated
What we're doing here ain't just scary, it's about to be legendary! 😂😊
Really weird legendary start. There must be iron in those hills and aluminium in the desert
@@conanthecribberor oil, and offshor oil…
"Legendary" start, there must be spice in that desert to make this start worth it
I once had a start on a flood plains and spent a turn just trying to move to the other side of the river, and then my settler died from a flood ending my 2 turn civ game.
@@slapdashprints evolution
Sid giveth and Sid taketh away.
I had a crazy one like that. I started next to a volcano on a hill tile next to the ocean. So I only had 2 tiles I could move, both hills. I moved, volcano blew up and would have killed me no matter which direction I moved 😂
@danlorett2184 who knows . Maybe the other way wouldn't have triggered it 😂
The AI's definition of legendary start position is nothing short of astonishing. I guess it's legendary if you somehow survive?
Probably has alot of things he can't see yet such as iron or oil, etc
Well, if you hover over for the description of a legendary position, it says that it can be good, but players don't get 'fair' starting locations. I think it removes the typical limits and values which AI uses to determine the regular starting position, so you can be either spawned next to a wonder or in the middle of a desert. Essentially, it's an unchecked RNG, not a guaranteed "better" location.
It's legendarily awful
@@Maxtech50oil for sure with all that sand
You'll get a resource rich start position.. Might be that it only really comes up later on because its all hidden behind techs though..
So struggle to survive till then I suppose.
There should be a Bad Start playlist/series not just to watch Potato struggle but to show everyone how you can get out of it... or die trying.
He did/does do an OCCASIONAL video where is showing people how to get out of messes that you can often find yourself in when playing Civ on higher difficulties!
Oh, you can ALWAYS die trying. That doesn't need a video series.
Wow, i finally found you.
Making the most of relatively inhospitable terrain on the outskirts of the main land mass. Sounds like the perfect Scotland play through!
If only India was England, than even his land shape sort of match XD
100% I saw this video and thought this was a perfect 'Scottish' style game start XD
Because of you, Potato, I started playing out every awful start I get and there’s no feeling like beating the odds and finding a way to pull it off. Unfortunately, 90% of the time the AI just decides I’m not worthy of my lands.
You dont HAVE to start were you start. Your settler can walk. Just spend your first 4 turns to look around for a decent spot. 😂
@@cherrydragon3120 the point is, its fun for them to start in a very bad place and see if they can prosper and conquer the odds
@@cherrydragon3120 if you spawn between a desert and tundra with civs on both sides, you’ll probably be walking for a while before you find the right spot.
@@TurtleLover69527 starting in a desert is better, until someone overtakes you from building petra
Ah I finally see Stirling’s natural beauty, with its sprawling deserts and windswept swampland
The real question is, are you going to be glad if you build the venetian arsenal?
Who isn’t ?
I don't understand the question.
Tato started out as a city state. Truly legendary.
Tato:
Militaristic City State
Suzerain Bonus: Every time you capture a builder or settler from someone you are at war with, you get 2 settlers or 2 builders (the second ones goes in your capital). A settler that has already been captured if recaptured by the opponent cannot be used to get yet another settler.
You should have put the Harbour below your city instead, it would still be +3 and you could build the mausoleum on a desert tile instead, then you get to keep the grassland marsh tile (+3 food) and eventually put a golf course on it so you would get the extra culture because it is next to your city.
Good idea. I don't think it would mess with his other plans either.
“My plan is to scramble, and just… eek out an existence on the edges of society.” Is this just Scotland in a nutshell (Scottish don’t take offense pls)
No offense taken, mate.
Also, oddly enough, Portugal
This is honestly how it feels living here sometimes looking down south at London.
I think this is how we've all been feeling since late 2016!
As another portuguese I agree.
“I was born in the darkness”
Proceeds to avoid second dark age.
Not just the poor location but the fact that you got boxed in after like 5 turns was imcredible. Honestly, your enthusiasm is amazing. I would have rerolled and even if I hadn't when I saw I had a sliver of the island and was jammed behind a CS and an opponent I would be rerolling. Putting yourself into these positions has made you a much better player. Good stuff.
There is no way he will not be stomped by elephants
🐘 🐘 🐘 🐘 🐘
These starts are so much more fun to watch then perfect starts. When Potato has to scramble immediately and play perfectly to even get in the running to win. Also, Potato McBane was S+ Tier content.
Came for the cursed start played with gusto and pizazz, stayed for the unexpected and surprisingly good Bane impression. Lova ya Potato!
Wake up kiddos PotaterMcWhiskur just uploaded
I had a random map put 4 nations out on peninsulas while I claimed the "mainland" -- I then began a very aggressive trading program with all of them. Each round of tech trading: +1 tech for them, +4 tech for me. I quickly started building the wonders and a military to aggressively keep them from contacting each other. It was an amusing game. Not challenging, but rather amusing.
i saw the second island to the left and i though this was going to be your ticket out of the hellish start, but then it was just 2 tiles
I love civ and i really enjoy 6. But I work 60hrs a week and have very little time for such a high time investment game. And all my friends have the attention span of a gnat so I always play it solo. But watching your videos makes me feel just like I am playing it myself. The editing, pacing, and commentary are great. Thanks a ton for the hard work in the videos.
Truly, one of the start locations of all times
I really admire you, I never won a Deity game, I always leave my saves halfway through the game
Thanks for the content bro
Ah man there have been so many start locations, and this was definitely one of them.
If you don't hit restart with this start location, you're pretty brave (or insane).
I think the Potato is both... 😂
@@tagesvaterpatrick8780 Well that bit at the end DEFINITELY shows Potato is a bit crazy! I think that's why most of us like him though, it's one of my favorite things about him!!!
@@JacksonOwex I absolutely agree!
That’s funny because Scotland the brave …
What do you mean awful? This is 99,9% of the spawns I get. Of course I hit the restart button for hours
Perhaps use the same settings as PotatoMcWhiskey, but use Terra map, huge, cold and wet with Kupe, just to let you have a great start?
Then you can have a whole continent for yourself for a long time?
@@kholdanstaalstorm6881 that's how I got my 1st deity win :)
"We're ekeing out an existence on the edge of marginal terrain" - the authentic Scottish experience
I feel like golf courses should be able to go on desert tiles later into the game (at a later tech or civic) because golf courses in the real world can go on deserts, they just need a lot of technology.
Not really, moving sod and water is pretty damn easy, at least when you compare it to all the work that making a golf course actually has!
But yes, you SHOULD be able to place a Golf Course ANYWHERE!
But then your grass should die after 50 years when your well runs dry
At that point farms can go on desert tiles.
"The entire golf course is a sand trap!"
As someone who lives in a desert right near golf courses, I can confirm.
"Abundent resources, Legendary start"
AI: You want legendary start location?
Player: ...how is this legendary?
AI: It is legendarily bad. Technically within specifications.
I love the idea of playing just to survive. It can be so unnerving but there's also someting very liberating about knowing from the start that you'll probably not win.
I know you did a beginner's Civ 6 tutorial a while back but honestly this was so helpful for getting my heads around the mechanics of getting a civ up and running, thank you!
This was such an interesting start! I would've restarted immediately but you're working it. Fantastic. Good job can't wait for the next installment 💙
So I haven't played CIV at all, I have no idea why it is a bad starting position but yet I felt captivated enough to watch it the whole way through. Well done!
Deserts suck because it lacks resources. You can always make it work later in the game but it's an awful starting position.
"eking out an existence on the edge of marginal terrain"
Classic Scotland
Potato: starts on a desert penninsula
Me: flashbacks to germany start on a tundra penninsula with 4-5 reloads
I can't believe the thumbnail made this start look better than it ended up being... The geography around you and being sandwiched into the corner by Chandragupta by turn 7 is BRUTAL.
I'm even more impressed that you drafted this start through complete chance - I was completely expecting this to be a "worst start ever?" seed shared online.
This is every start I get in multiplayer, my friends will always go "it's fine just play it, mine's not great either" then when I find them they have like triple the average resources.
Good Bane impression, Dude! My favourite line: "Do you feel in charge?"
I always love to see you play the more challenging starts, they often end up being really interesting games to see play out.
Everyone forgets fishery improvements, it would be lifesaver in this game
Love the difficult starts. These games help me become a better Civ player.
Starts like this are very entertaining to watch!
"This city has no production, which is fine." I've never said those words in that order..
"any sort of marginal successful existence"...my goal in life
Feels like you should've put the Campus next to the volcano, with the Government District in the middle.
The terrible tiles aside, I personally prefer to be aomewhat boxed in since I prefer to play tall, and that basically forces it.
I won’t lie man, this is exactly why I love civs. You right of the bar before making a actual move just showed so many people as to why you can do anything in this game. Props to your Mr Potato
I really want to enjoy Civ 6. I love everything about the game, I just don't want to essentially be punished for not spamming cities.
Im the same honestly, I just like civ5 so much more
I watch your channel regularly and love it. This is my first time really watching any gameplay of Civ6, jesus you play this game fast lol.
I love monopolies and corporations mode. And not just because I hate domination victory. The industry+ improvements are wonderful for getting a new city off the ground, especially in desert or tundra.
I really love ur civ videos, I’m a pretty casual player myself and there’s loads of things I still don’t know. But I really appreciate how you explain everything you’re doing and why in a very simple and easy to follow way.
Keep up the great content
If you are settling coastal cities you ALWAYS pick Liang as your first governer. Then you go for the fisheries perk and you get massive population growth by turn 100. I always move her around so all my coastal cities can build the fisheries
Same here, especially if I can snag the water pantheon. All those tiles pumping out food.
Tiles with fisheries don't benefit from Shipyards. It's usually better to keep Liang in a single city so that the Fishery tiles also get the +1 production.
I like the journey of the Venetian Arsenal and how today he just puts it down without even making a joke about it.
I'm SHOCKED India didn’t immediately attack you for being so close.
Thanks for this. As a newish player it's really helpful to hear how you're planning everything.
I love the way Potato describes _everything_ he's doing so well.
That Bane mimic was epic.
I remember when Chandragupta was in my game one time. His hatred for neighbors resulted in a chain reaction of him conquering one civ after the other. His civ owned half the world. Ever since then I made sure to leave him out of the leader pool.
How he made the whole audience go "Yeah, yeah, that'll work":
"And that would be a Venetian Arsenal right there, just a 100% chance, right? Could you start to see how this is starting to come together?"
Edit: This quoting took way to long to do lol
Your Bane impression is absolutely spot on!
I stopped playing starfield to watch you play this nightmare. I'm here for it.
Still learning how to play but the last 2 games I’ve lost because the countries I was competing with added a couples of cities with 1-3 tiles tops and lost by a hair. Gotta love when you take back your city states and take most the country you’re at war with just to check the map and see 5 new super tiny cities, with absolutely no way of them flourishing, just a distinct and city center😢
One green square at the end of a desert peninsula? I can imagine Monty Python's Yorkshiremen saying "Bah! When I was a boy, we wished we *had* a green square!"
Here I am watching that military score grow each turn and thinking this might be a short series.
Potatoes never say die!
Is it weird that I don't play civ anymore, but I still tune in every now and again to watch you fist the AI?
You definitely got a Legendary Start Position--the legendary terribleness of it shall be sung throughout the constant Dark Ages.
Man I thought I had a bad start in my current game, but this is on another level... I had a huge flat desert as Freddy Germany with only minimal campus spot, but at least I have space to settle build districts and get it that way.
Ah yes the great deserts of scotland, ive scene them many times......
Back in the days it took me a while to realize that "legendary start" means in most cases "legendarily bad start". Don't know what the developers were thinking.
i think thats the point of Legendary starts in starting out in bad places to see if you are actually good
I just realised im playing the game wrong after having watched this guy play...
As a new player, seeing you pull off this start on Deity gives me hope on my bad starts on prince difficulty, maybe I should stop rerolling, trying to work with bad odds and make them work seems like as fun as getting favorable odds.
With that bane reference you should make this into another domination game!
ahhh! Potato forgetting to place the harbor after unlocking it gives me anxiety :(
loving this idea!
Such a Scottish start. Terrible lands next to a much better off, much richer neighbor.
I tried to trade Britain citrus for 8 gold a turn and over 50 gold on top of that and she wasn't having it even when I threw up open borders.
Then I took it all away and traded her tea and she was willing to give me all her gold which was 300 and pay 10 gold a turn.
Not sure if this is intentional in the game but it sure is funny.
Just be glad you didn’t start with Gandhi as your neighbor…
Great Bane impression!
I just finished a Scotland play through ( win condition was science). Scotland is super fun and strong especially when they get their "Scottish Enlightenment" going! It definitely teaches you a lot about amenities and happiness.
Kumasi being a real bro this game, protecting you from those nasty elephants.
21:02 You merely adopted the dark age was hilarious 😂
'Tato quoting Bane is the best thing I didn't know I needed.
I would have hit restart.
Legendary start 😂 i think in the Late game, aluminium Uran and oil will spawn massive nearby, but than you are since 200 years dead
the way he is strategizing SO far in advance going 20 turns out like HOW
love those difficult start ! The knowledege it required to survive is awesome ! Good job ;)
Fun fact: the game of Golf was created in the Netherlands. Scottland just created the first club with shared rules.
NGL, this kind of game is a lot more fun to watch than the games with good starts. Really looking forward to the next video!
Wake up babe, new HORRENDOUSLY HYPE start location just dropped!
I had a start like this the other day as Poland, it was terrible. It did not go well, my two neighbours were Montezuma and Chandragupta
How I would play this starting point:
• Found a pantheon with desert folklore, and then a religion with work ethic; a Holy Site will have lots of adjacency bonuses and will add a ton of production to the city, increased through the Scripture policy card
• Build both the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus _and_ Petra
• Found other cities in more arable locations, build trader units, send them to the capital, and establish domestic routes
• Use the adjacency bonuses provided by the two aforementioned wonders to build a Theatre Square, and build a Government Plaza between that _and_ the Holy Site; I'd also try to build a Harbor with at least +3 gold adjacency bonuses, and quickly add a lighthouse to it
• Assign Magnus as the first governor and unlock Surplus Logistics; once I have another city with high food yields, I'll send Magnus there and assign Liang to the capital, with a particular focus on getting Aquaculture and building fisheries
• Purchase a Granary ASAP
There, now your capital is a powerhouse 😁
This is interesting to me, because in your situation I would have absolutely rushed headlong towards Petra.
It would leave me scrounging until I got that up and running, for sure, but once it's done, things immediately get a lot better.
Amazing video and excellent explanation of your thought process. Helped me get my first scientific win on emperor mode as Trajan. You the best
"eking out an existence on margins of society... Born in the darkness". Hilarious
Good that you turned on "Legendary" start location. Legendary is going to be your play to revert that awful start and get a win out of this. Good luck with that! Great video as always, Potato.
Thanks for doing weird starts like this one. They're more interesting than good starts. Love it when you say "this city has no production, which is fine".
"Adieu" is pronounced ad-ee-err, not ad-way.
This video is pretty helpful! I like how you describe your thought processes.
i remember having a start like that (but swap the sand for snow) in a mp game, managed to convince the others too restart after sending a screenshot
Haha watching how he plays Civ makes me understand why I'm stuck in prince difficulty
Wow, watching someone play civ, and it being ENTERTAINING! Nice.
Absolutly legendary Bane's (is it right?) impression!!
Was wondering how Potato would make it all work, but the Venetian Arsenal at the end sold me on it.
That "Scheiße" caught me off guard haha