Nintendo did give us some surveys about improving their online membership from earlier, Hopefully they should fix up the switch online application when they get the chance.
@@Toadfish10 ??? What are you talking about dawg Switch Online bass plan is literally $19.99 And expansion pack is $49.99 I dont think you've seen the prices😭
With how many different themes there were for purchase on 3DS through the Theme Shop, you'd think Nintendo would take a hint and, I don't know, add themes for the Switch aside from a simple white or black.
That’s what I find dumb, you pay for the consol and games but you need to pay a subscription to play online? Makes no sense, money hungry companies I swear
yknow what's so annoying about icons is that it's absolutely insufferable if you plan on claiming all of a certain set. i collect all the splatoon ones and i have to click them one by one and wait 5 seconds for it to claim then swipe to the next one and wait 5 more seconds and so on and so on. is there really no way to put a little "Collect All" button or a mass select option ?? please nintendo if you want me to use these points please make it more intuitive to use
I do the EXACT SAME as you!! It takes unreasonably long, for seemingly no good reason! If you want us to waste our platinum points, then at least make it more of a convenience instead of giving us the time to second guess our next purchase… 😵💫
that sounds like cashing out my 27 lives for 27000 points in super mario flash, but even more annoying, atleast with that one it's just holding down the space bar
And to make it all even more infuriating, those Hentai pictures Nathaniel showed at the end, I can tell from a mile away that they’re AI made. And you don’t even need to see a lot of actual art online to tell the difference, because these things have the same visual style as those stupid "AI art" or "AI girlfriend" ads we are bombarded by online. Yup, Nintendo makes 0 effort on regulating their Eshop, it’s official. Wether quality or age control.
The N64 Mature app is purely an ESRB thing. If Nintendo were to add the Mature-rated N64 games to the base app, that would *REQUIRE* a re-evalution from the ESRB, so they could bump up the app to an M-rating, too. That would require the app having to be taken down for the amount of time it takes the ESRB to make their assessment. Simply put, that's way too much trouble instead of just making a dedicated Mature app.
oh no they did lag and same with the 3DS, the two of em just had fire music and sound effects to pass the time and the 3DS had a cool download screen for stuff
Why does everything Nintendo does these days always invoke a sense of FOMO (Fear of missing out) Seriously, you hear a little voice in your head if you miss out on anything limited like Splatoon splattests or the PFP icons telling you "Oh you missed it? Well that's just too bad little nerd you should've had no life"
Splatfests have always been a limited time event though...and it's been that way since 2015. The whole point is that it's a special time and not an every day thing. You make a point about other stuff being victims of FOMO, but you lost me at splatfests being part of the problem. Besides, you don't miss out on a lot if you don't participate in one.
I feel like pfp icons shouldn’t just rotate every month and instead if you have that game you could buy the icons or just have them all there whenever you buy the game This wouldn’t even take too much work because most of the pfp icons are just renders or screenshots from the game
The Switch menu without any sorts of music is just like a Nintendo console without any creativity to interract with... The Wii, 3ds and WiiU, have their theme song for the menu, but the Switch has nothing... I mean: seriously? This is just a big dissapointment. I wish that the Switch 2 has its theme song on the menu and, one more good thing, taking the idea from the 3ds theme to personalize the interface to make it more interesting, instead of having only the options to change from white and black the background...
Yeah, pretty much. While I do have the most games I've ever had on a Nintendo console (and even then, most of them are 3rd party titles), the console menus are soulless compared to the Wii, Wii U and 3ds. Though I don't really miss the Wii U's atrocious load times between menus.
i agree so much. while its games are absolutely fantastic, everything other than the games just make me miss the stuff that the 3ds, wii and wii u had. their menus felt much more alive, the switch is just...empty
This has made me realize that, while the Switch is still my #1 favorite console, it still has its significant issues, and the next console has a lot to live up to.
I don't understand why they don't just let us upload our own icons like Xbox. I hope the next console is a step up for features, but at this point I'm not holding my breath
I was modding my Wii U recently, and started to realize. The Switch really does just have incredibly boring menus. Hopefully this is remedied in the Switch 2 JUST GIVE US THE 3DS THEMES AGAIN PLEASE
ok I'm gonna spit the coldest take ever, but it does REALLY irk me how the Switch got rid of Home Menu themes, and the fact that even when docked it's still got the same cramped menu was a SUPER weird choice
1:38 Made even worse by the fact that the Switch home menu only has your most recently 12 games/applications in only the order of how recent you played them with everything else getting thrown into an "All Software" tab which gets really cluttery for people that play more than 12 games/applications including each individual NSO classic system app. The DSi, Wii, 3DS, and Wii U all let you organize your home menu in any order you'd like with everything staying in your consistent order as if you're playing a video game compilation built into the system.
Nintendo saw the unique quirks and charm that the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U had as fat that needed to be trimmed, and they conflated the unique quirks and charm with full on features that a video game system in the 2020s should have when doing so.
The worst thing about the icons for me is that you can’t pair any of the elements like the background or border with a Mii or even a character from another game
The fact that you can’t just automatically save your games data but having to trust a save data is also why the online membership sucks, and then end up losing all the progress because you had to save it again is not a great sign. Heck the 3DS, Wii, Wii U, and the DS even did a better job at saving data.
I’m fine with subscriptions for game services like battle passes, but to pay more money for a feature that you need to even play a game AND for that feature that was free to become paid, that’s where I draw the line. It sucks,
It's just crazy because you're already paying your internet bill, and then have to pay a subscription for something that doesn't even pay for servers. But still, $20 a year for something that should be free is better than the $120 a year on xbox and ps.
The paywall is my biggest gripe personally. I like to collect icons, but when there's already so little choices because only the "RelEvAnT" games get them, you're asking me to get games I have NO interest in and, even in the cases of games I already happen to own and play, are FORCING me to play multiple sessions separate by 24h at bare minimum? Like, it's just NOT worth it, financially or in general, just for maybe a couple icons I either missed while they were free or couldn't get because you only added them AFTER the paywall (I'm looking at you especially, Mario Odyssey).
@@CR1MSONACE No, I meant that NSO got new Odyssey icons after the paywall was introduced to it. So even if I did like the new icons, they want them to be an incentive to get me to buy the game I'm otherwise not interesting in getting. It's a poor incentive, which makes it feel cashgrabby especially given Odyssey was already a massive success without it. '>_>
It seems like the eShop and Online apps of the Switch are just overlays of the console’s homescreen rather than a designated app. That’s why they’re not as elaborately designed like ones on previous consoles. Hopefully the Switch 2 makes the eShop its own app so that there’s no lag, it has music and is intricately designed.
An issue I have with the Switch in general is how bland it feels. The 3DS and WiiU were bursting with personality and Nintendo charm, yet the Switch lacks so much of it. Like if Nintendo wanted to remove all the creativity that made there previous systems unique
As a 3DS and a Wii U owner I still play on those consoles but both of them weren't that perfect, I do remember an absolute fact that the Wii U had some horrible marketing, lackluster Wii U games that were based on 3DS games, Star Fox zero, Paper Mario color splash, Mario party 10, animal crossing amiibo festival and a whole lot more. Just a reminder, not everything was beautiful and pretty during that era.
@AlessandroLoscueva NGL I agree with you on the hacked version, Also not all of the Wii U games were awful. I do love Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS so at least there was some gold
The fact that you have to buy an online pass to just play games with wifi is the worst part. Even the 3DS, Wii, DS, and Wii u were generous enough to allow you to play with wifi.
It also annoys me how even if you have a bunch of platinum points, you need NSO to even buy new icons. Nintendo messed up a lot of the things on the switch apart from the games. I hope they fix em with the NS2
One thing that bothers me is that you need a NSO subscription to downloads those icons! Like, why? Is that to "incentivize" you to buy a NSO subscription?
One thing though. I actually like the idea of N64 Mature, it allows Nintendo to add such games as Conker's Bad Fur Day, or that impressive port of Resident Evil 2. Maybe way too optimistic to expect that, but you know, they put Golden Eye for the service, so I can expect anything by now.
Yeah, apparently people don't get that those old games are STILL rated M, and they can't be added to the base app without it having to be re-rated M as well.
I am gonna be real here, I did the nintendo survey for feedback quite a few times back in 2019 to 2020 (still do them today for more ideas) which involved me basically copy and pasting the same idea that involved the icons and plat points and the my nintendo physical rewards. I thought it was a good idea, much better usage than spending them on digital backgrounds or prints. it might not be everyones favorite thing but I felt something like this was needed since they barely added Icons prior to them being implemented as a feature in the app. Not everyone may like them and not everyone has a big amount of plat points but to those who have kinda invested themselves in the program, I felt it would be a better usage of the points rather than them rotting and expiring.
They can totally spice up how everything looks, but considering the Switch Online app and eShop lags while looking bare bones I believe the reasons I've seen why UI doesn't look as neat as it did on older consoles.
7:50 I remember at one point, Donkey Kong on NES had icons, and one of them is literally just the oil barrel from the game. It doesn’t even have a background like the palm tree. It’s such a stupid icon to have and I love it so much that it’s just my icon now and I refuse to change it.
4:42 this was so annoying because I had over 1k plat points and when the switch icons came out I had no plat coins anymore so I missed out on so many icons and I never have any coins for the icons I want
7:10 I missed the Charizard icon for that *very* small window of time you were given during Scarlet/Violet's launch, because I had no idea there were Switch icons being churned out for Pokémon. I used to only ever see retro titles being showcased, or their first-party titles. I did get the Mewtwo icon though, I just wish these weren't on an arbitrary timer and that you could just buy whatever icon you wanted, whenever you want it.
While I agree with almost every point in the video, the N64 MATURE 17+ app is necessary unfortunately as otherwise the whole N64 app will become 17+ locked due to age rating. Yes these games are 30 years old but their age ratings are still valid up to this day and Nintendo has to treat these like current games as long these games won't get a new check up for a probably new rating. Seperating these games out into an own app makes sure all the other N64 games can stay open to everyone without any age restriction. In Europe, the MATURE app is even 18+ due to USK and PEGI regulations. In Japan the app is called the "Nintendo 64 18+" App as also Golden Eye 007 has a 18+ rating in japan unlike f.e. europe with a rating of 16+ or the US with 15+ or something like that.
Pretty much the only things I like about Switch Online is that I get to play some games online and the fact that I can play NES games on the go. That's it.
I felt betrayed when they released Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe and never gave you icons for Halcandra and the FINAL BATTLE BATTLEFIELD, WHICH WAS PROBABLY THE BEST THING THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME!
I don’t deny the integration here was sloppy, and we have the right to complain, but on the other hand, they didn’t HAVE to add the icons, they’re just extras for the diehard fans.. everything else about the NSO app is being unforgivable tho, gg NB
All icons should have just been unlock-able by completing certain requirements. For example I want the majoras mask link with tatl above his one hand, make that one unlockable by having the subscription and beating the game.
I already knew just from the title that this vid would be inspired by Beat em Ups' one, but to straight up say it at the start is very cool of you, Nathaniel.
How about instead of the dumb Online Missions. Make them like achievements/trophies. Have certain Missions you have to complete in each game and if you complete all of them get a Badge. There are 3 types of Missions: Normal, Rare and Super Rare and you can get platinum points for NSO for completing them. If you get a Badge, you get gold points. Like PS Trophies you can also display your mission completions and badges on your account. The sound for Missions would be a Coin sound effect from Mario and the sound for a Badge would be the Moon collect sound effect from Mario Odyssey. (Also change NSO's name back to Nintendo Network)
Nah, you see, this would be an extrinsic reward, and Nintendo resently really doesn't like that. You should only play games for the sake of playing the game and having fun.
There's no personality to it either. The old eshops had unique music that made it fun and memorable. Everything about the Switch eshop is very corporate and dull.
Another annoying thing about the Switch UI is the News app. You can't delete messages at all. You will end up having old news items dating back to when you set up your Switch for the first time, just sitting there and take up space on the internal memory. The 3DS also had this silly limitation too with it's news/messages tab. They should have included an option to delete the message after reading it, and I hope they do this for the new Switch or whatever it's going to be called. And for the various Virtual Console apps, they show a quite intrusive banner when you begin using a specific console app for the first few plays. It shows how to use the menu features like the Rewind feature or what the Start and Select buttons are. In a platform game, this banner can cover up the bottom of the screen, such as the first levels of Super Mario Bros. There is unused space on the left and right hand sides, so they could have just displayed these messages there so you can still learn the menus while not having the messages interfere with the game screen.
I think they were just lazy with the integration because the Nintendo switch online section came out well after the eShop. Hopefully whenever the next console comes around, it'll have better integration with all this stuff
I think the Platinum Points should be utilised to hand out in game rewards. They don’t need to hand out much but giving something like a sum of bells in ACNH or a sum of rupees in any of the Zelda games would be nice. Or hand out outfits in games like Echoes of Wisdom which would be harmless. Right now they’re just pointless
Would this then be considered in game purchases by the ESRB? I mean, not like any game with NSO available isn't already getting that label slapped on, but still.
@@LG555 i dunno, honestly. did games that integrated Play Coins on 3DS (Pokemon Rumble Blast off the top of my head, probably a few others?) get slapped with that too? it seems fairly comparable, because you can't buy either of them with real money it's not _technically_ a _'purchase'_ per se
Little story about just how bad nintendo's online is: So i've 100% a lot of my switch games (Botw, MK8d, SMO,SM3DL...) and thought it'd be smart to yk, save the data to a cloud if the worst where to arrive. I bought NSO subscription's 3 month pack (using the NSO 3 month card), saved my data and felt safe. Shortly after my nintendo switch broke. While that hurt i was kinda glad i still kept my coordinates to my Nintendo account so when i'd get the data from th ecloud back. A year later, long after my NSO subscription was over, i bought a new switch and with it an NSO 3 month subscription pack to recover my data. I connected my account, set NSO up, and went in game data to try to download the data from the cloud. It turns out, since i hadn't been paying through out the whole year for an NSO subscription, my data had been deleted and there is now no way for me to recover all the data i saved to the cloud. Worst part is, i geniuenly don't know if it's because nintendo is just incapable of making adequate online services or if it's out of pure greed.
11:14 I don't buy that excuse because plenty of other websites let you use your own icons with no problem. Even if there is a problem, have a report system in place to report inappropriate pictures.
If Nintendo still wants to hide icons behind challenges, it should be challenges like the following: 1. Beat World 1-4 without collecting any coins. (You get a icon with a coin with an X through it). 2. Make opponents crash 5 times during a race in Mario Kart (you get a red shell icon) 3. Win all sports in a row in Nintendo Switch Sports 2: Milan 2026 (you get an Olympic Rings icon) 4. Get over 10 Stars in Mario Party (you get a Star icon)
What if they had the system linked to achievements? For example, getting the "After Alterna" achievement in Splatoon 3 would give you some extra icons and themes linked to the game. Plus, Platinum Points could essentially become Gamerscore and your total Platinum count could be shown off on your account, or you can use the points to get even m o r e icons not linked to achievements, but to the software that you have played. Have you played Skylanders Superchargers and want to get an icon of Spitfire? Cough up some Platinum Points and you can. By performing well in the games, you can customize your console however you want. Maybe they could introduce the Mii Plaza again, but some of the minigames ONLY unlock if you have enough Platinums in your score, and anyone who you Streetpass or play with online comes to your plaza and is available to play minigames like Feed Mii or Battleground Z. Heck, they could even use this to reintroduce Nintendo Land.
Vouchers are the only way I got to TOTK and Splatoon 3, saved 30 dollars. Also, vouchers and gift cards that aren't spent can be a nightmare for trying to keep up with so having it expire gives a set time you can be sure money spent years ago won't suddenly take away from current sales.
7:19 Yeah, that's too bad. For example. Fire Emblem Engage came out in January 2023 and I played it August 2023. I fell in love with this game and I really wanna have something from this game as an icon especially something which shows Celica. But it never appeared and I never saw it again. I really hope that they will do something that we're getting a chance to buy this icons without limits. I've no problem that they're costing some points but it sucks that they can disappear without chances to come back and even when they came back they aren't stay forever. I hate this. I hope that one day I have a icon from Fire Emblem Engage which shows Celica.
since beatemups made the eshop sucks video now i miss 3ds and wiiu and wii eshop anyway me personally i only used nintendo online system 1-3 years and it was the beginning years of online then i got bored and played pokemon leaf green and emerald
The one thing that pisses me off about the icons is that there was a specific icon that I wanted but I never got the chance to get... BECAUSE I NEVER HAD A SWITCH WHILE IT WAS AVAILABLE
If only we could exchange platinum points for themes for the switch's home menu. Like c'mon Nintendo why can we still not have themes for the home menu?!
I love icons, it always a blessing to me when I create a new account somewhere and I get to pick one! I love them so much, I've gauged the pros and cons of taking a one-year subscription just to have them (when I figured out (not sure) your icons weren't available when your subscription expired, I decide not to x) )
Nintendo just became a follower of the other companies. I don’t understand why these gaming companies started to charge for online it makes no sense but hey MONEY MONEY MONEY
@@AnotherWarioWareFan They make millions of dollars on the console and game sales in just one month alone. Steam for example has no problem providing free online service.
1:46 Knowing how some parents are, I'm pretty sure doing that was more to prevent themselves from potential lawsuits. EDIT: Passion for Exploring from VVVVVV, nice choice Mr Bandy ^^
God help anyone genuinely playing bedrock on Switch. I think it's a bad enough experience that it should be legally classified as an extreme torture method. It's barely above being completely unplayable most of the time. The craziest part is modding your Switch to run linux then playing the Java edition with sodium and controlify gets you a good experience that doesn't take 10 years to load a chunk 💀. It actually runs really well at a decent render distance and feels much better to control and play as well.
Nintendo treats customers badly because they know they can get away with it. It’s insane what Nintendo fans put up with and still keep shoving money down Nintendos throat.
@@vinnypierce267as long as they only add extras it's fine, but when they make you pay for something that should be free (like online play and saving to the cloud) it's just plain greed.
What I hate is I can't mix and match for the icons? For example, why can't I get background and border and use it with my Mii image? I want to use my Mii, which makes every icon thing useless for me.
At the very least for the Icons, make it so that I can see the Icons I own the games for. I don't mind paying with platinum points, but rewarding those who purchase specific games can always have access to purchase the Icons of that game. Again make it available for all to purchase at a set time, and once it goes away, those who own the game can still have access to purchase them.
@@repoversemedium They're probably using that money to develop high budget games cuz usually nowadays it cost money to develop video games. I've heard breath of the wild cost $120,000,000 to develop.
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Nintendo did give us some surveys about improving their online membership from earlier, Hopefully they should fix up the switch online application when they get the chance.
I might actually consider getting this bc it looks really cool
STOP BEING GREEDY IN EVERY SINGLE VIDEO NOW
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS
AND EVERYTHING WITH INTERNET, YOU NEED TO PAY!!!
@@Gavinthecandyhuman At least the Flash games are still for free!
Platinum & Gold points expiring is honestly one of the silliest things in the world
Yo tetra! Can you do some lost bits on Go Vacation? It may not have much, but there is a prototype with an unused music track!
First like on this comment, that's pretty cool
I’ve had at least 1500 Platinum points vanish to the aether cuz my nintendo never has anything worth the shipping cost
Tetra!
Yeah
Fun Fact: When N64 Themed Icons first came out, You needed the expansion pass to even unlock them so they were pretty much double paywalled
I love it when a png is locked behind a $70 paywall
@@Toadfish10 Me too. Just look at Smash Ultimate and its DLC Spirit Boards. :P
@@Toadfish10its like 45-50$ but cook
@@BowserEditz The Expansion Pack, previously the only way to get the N64 icons, is $70. Base NSO is $50
@@Toadfish10 ???
What are you talking about dawg
Switch Online bass plan is literally $19.99
And expansion pack is $49.99
I dont think you've seen the prices😭
It just boggles my mind why you can’t mix and match icon elements- they can only be used with materials from one game at a time
3rd party icons would be a pain to get them to agree with it mostly icons like geno
Right I wanted to have Kirby with his arms up in place of link with a Zelda item above him, but I was so disappointed when I couldn't
I just figured that out the hard way 2 seconds ago while trying to put cranky kong in pikmin
Yeah, this is my biggest annoyance with the icon system. I’m kind of surprised he didn’t mention it in the video.
Exactly! Pokemon scarlet and Violet had a really nice gold trim border that id love to use but then I can’t make my icon like Luigi or Daisy.
The fact that we don't have more themes is a crime. At launch, it was very understandable to expect more themes.
I definitely agree, at least more colors than just 2 😅😢
With how many different themes there were for purchase on 3DS through the Theme Shop, you'd think Nintendo would take a hint and, I don't know, add themes for the Switch aside from a simple white or black.
@@AzurePipI thini theyre scared of a wii u "this is too kiddy" feel. They want to appeal to the gamer, not the cute decorater.
Hot take: requiring a subscription for online console gaming is a scam
That’s what I find dumb, you pay for the consol and games but you need to pay a subscription to play online? Makes no sense, money hungry companies I swear
Calls it a Hot Take
Gives the most normal take of all time
cold take
That’s not an hot take
Room temperature take
yknow what's so annoying about icons is that it's absolutely insufferable if you plan on claiming all of a certain set. i collect all the splatoon ones and i have to click them one by one and wait 5 seconds for it to claim then swipe to the next one and wait 5 more seconds and so on and so on. is there really no way to put a little "Collect All" button or a mass select option ?? please nintendo if you want me to use these points please make it more intuitive to use
I do the EXACT SAME as you!! It takes unreasonably long, for seemingly no good reason! If you want us to waste our platinum points, then at least make it more of a convenience instead of giving us the time to second guess our next purchase… 😵💫
that sounds like cashing out my 27 lives for 27000 points in super mario flash, but even more annoying, atleast with that one it's just holding down the space bar
[Accidentally presses the buy everything button on a game I have no interest in]
And to make it all even more infuriating, those Hentai pictures Nathaniel showed at the end, I can tell from a mile away that they’re AI made. And you don’t even need to see a lot of actual art online to tell the difference, because these things have the same visual style as those stupid "AI art" or "AI girlfriend" ads we are bombarded by online.
Yup, Nintendo makes 0 effort on regulating their Eshop, it’s official. Wether quality or age control.
It's even more concerning when a lot of AI-generated NSFW content grabs various images, even including actual abuse content involving REAL victims.
@@yoshisreal Ok I did not know that but if it is true, this gives me all the more reason to criticize it.
I've clearly fallen behind the curve with my AI image detection, as I don't see it, but if that's true... wow.
The N64 Mature app is purely an ESRB thing.
If Nintendo were to add the Mature-rated N64 games to the base app, that would *REQUIRE* a re-evalution from the ESRB, so they could bump up the app to an M-rating, too. That would require the app having to be taken down for the amount of time it takes the ESRB to make their assessment.
Simply put, that's way too much trouble instead of just making a dedicated Mature app.
Not to mention it would also lock out younger players from playing completely harmless games, like _Mario 64_ and _Yoshi's Story._
And plus it's a port of the Japanese version so it made sense
Couldn't they simply use the RP (rating pending) rating in the meantime?
Plus, I'm pretty sure Nintendo wouldn't want to deal with unhappy parents who never bothered to look up the game's age rating.
Can't they just use K-A
The fact that basically none of the Wii U apps like the eShop and whatnot didn’t lag just says something
Granted it had abysmal ram management so all the performance of the processors had to prioritize to it
I remember experiencing lag sometimes on the Wii U eShop.
@@Mushroom-3264 yeah but it was no where near as bad as the switch’s eShop
At least the Switch's games load faster. Takes like 80 seconds to load a game on the Wii U, takes maybe 5-6 secs on the Switch
oh no they did lag and same with the 3DS, the two of em just had fire music and sound effects to pass the time and the 3DS had a cool download screen for stuff
Why does everything Nintendo does these days always invoke a sense of FOMO (Fear of missing out) Seriously, you hear a little voice in your head if you miss out on anything limited like Splatoon splattests or the PFP icons telling you "Oh you missed it? Well that's just too bad little nerd you should've had no life"
Splatfests have always been a limited time event though...and it's been that way since 2015. The whole point is that it's a special time and not an every day thing.
You make a point about other stuff being victims of FOMO, but you lost me at splatfests being part of the problem. Besides, you don't miss out on a lot if you don't participate in one.
I play it safe. I just make sure not to have a life 👌
I feel like pfp icons shouldn’t just rotate every month and instead if you have that game you could buy the icons or just have them all there whenever you buy the game
This wouldn’t even take too much work because most of the pfp icons are just renders or screenshots from the game
The Switch menu without any sorts of music is just like a Nintendo console without any creativity to interract with...
The Wii, 3ds and WiiU, have their theme song for the menu, but the Switch has nothing...
I mean: seriously? This is just a big dissapointment.
I wish that the Switch 2 has its theme song on the menu and, one more good thing, taking the idea from the 3ds theme to personalize the interface to make it more interesting, instead of having only the options to change from white and black the background...
While it succeeds in having games, the Switch in general feels so bland and corporate than the older consoles
Not entirely bland. Just Feels half baked compared to the 3Ds Home menu but I see were your coming from.
Yeah, pretty much. While I do have the most games I've ever had on a Nintendo console (and even then, most of them are 3rd party titles), the console menus are soulless compared to the Wii, Wii U and 3ds.
Though I don't really miss the Wii U's atrocious load times between menus.
@@jonahabenhaim1223Even the Wii U home menu had more life to it. Corporate and sterile is a pretty accurate description of the Switch UI.
Yea im more of a fan of the wii console i hope we get something like that in the future
i agree so much. while its games are absolutely fantastic, everything other than the games just make me miss the stuff that the 3ds, wii and wii u had. their menus felt much more alive, the switch is just...empty
This has made me realize that, while the Switch is still my #1 favorite console, it still has its significant issues, and the next console has a lot to live up to.
Lol
The nintendo switch online app is only worth it for the icons...and nothing else.
At least...that's just my opinion.
And old games and Splatoon if you're playing online anyways
Not once have I checked any other tab on the app
I don't understand why they don't just let us upload our own icons like Xbox. I hope the next console is a step up for features, but at this point I'm not holding my breath
So people are paying for NSO for icons? Interesting.
the icons aren't even worth it tbh
Another thing that sucks is that you can only buy one icon at a time, cause buying multiple icons takes forever
I was modding my Wii U recently, and started to realize. The Switch really does just have incredibly boring menus. Hopefully this is remedied in the Switch 2 JUST GIVE US THE 3DS THEMES AGAIN PLEASE
I totally agree! I always get a little nostalgic thinking about that, hoping the next console does something similar.
Oh… you…
@@AGZhark Bruh what's wrong
I miss my Team Skull 3DS theme.
ok I'm gonna spit the coldest take ever, but it does REALLY irk me how the Switch got rid of Home Menu themes, and the fact that even when docked it's still got the same cramped menu was a SUPER weird choice
Alternate title:- How switch online app TRIGGERS you!!!!
Yes
Missed opportunity
He is too calm
Except it isn't satiric and it's just Nathan spitting facts
@@FluffinWasntHere *Satirical
Fun Fact: You CANNOT Just use a Background as your icon, Nintendo FORCES you to pick a character as well. why?
Because they hate people expressing themselves
1:43 It always confused me that each individual N64 game is marked with an M rating because of that
They don't want kids playing good games
Maybe because conker bad fur day
I think this is more of an ESRB problem than a Nintendo problem.
1:38 Made even worse by the fact that the Switch home menu only has your most recently 12 games/applications in only the order of how recent you played them with everything else getting thrown into an "All Software" tab which gets really cluttery for people that play more than 12 games/applications including each individual NSO classic system app. The DSi, Wii, 3DS, and Wii U all let you organize your home menu in any order you'd like with everything staying in your consistent order as if you're playing a video game compilation built into the system.
Groups exist in the tab at the end. You have to press L (or R. I forget).
@@batmanbud2 They do help though it's still less convenient than the 3DS and Wii U
the entire Switch menu has less to show then the quick start menu on the Wii U gamepad, even when docked, and I find that super weird
Nintendo saw the unique quirks and charm that the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U had as fat that needed to be trimmed, and they conflated the unique quirks and charm with full on features that a video game system in the 2020s should have when doing so.
The bad marketing reception from tbe wii u days has really prevnted them from trying "kiddy" things like this.
The worst thing about the icons for me is that you can’t pair any of the elements like the background or border with a Mii or even a character from another game
The fact that you can’t just automatically save your games data but having to trust a save data is also why the online membership sucks, and then end up losing all the progress because you had to save it again is not a great sign. Heck the 3DS, Wii, Wii U, and the DS even did a better job at saving data.
I’m fine with subscriptions for game services like battle passes, but to pay more money for a feature that you need to even play a game AND for that feature that was free to become paid, that’s where I draw the line. It sucks,
It's just crazy because you're already paying your internet bill, and then have to pay a subscription for something that doesn't even pay for servers. But still, $20 a year for something that should be free is better than the $120 a year on xbox and ps.
@@IceYetiWins Exactly, but yeah, it is better than $120
@@IceYetiWins$0 better than $20 too
The paywall is my biggest gripe personally. I like to collect icons, but when there's already so little choices because only the "RelEvAnT" games get them, you're asking me to get games I have NO interest in and, even in the cases of games I already happen to own and play, are FORCING me to play multiple sessions separate by 24h at bare minimum? Like, it's just NOT worth it, financially or in general, just for maybe a couple icons I either missed while they were free or couldn't get because you only added them AFTER the paywall (I'm looking at you especially, Mario Odyssey).
Mario Odyssey was available before the play 3 times thing. If that's what you mean.
@@CR1MSONACE No, I meant that NSO got new Odyssey icons after the paywall was introduced to it. So even if I did like the new icons, they want them to be an incentive to get me to buy the game I'm otherwise not interesting in getting.
It's a poor incentive, which makes it feel cashgrabby especially given Odyssey was already a massive success without it. '>_>
It seems like the eShop and Online apps of the Switch are just overlays of the console’s homescreen rather than a designated app. That’s why they’re not as elaborately designed like ones on previous consoles.
Hopefully the Switch 2 makes the eShop its own app so that there’s no lag, it has music and is intricately designed.
Because they are overlays. This makes them open way faster. Heck, on the Wii U the loading was so slow they had to add a minigame
An issue I have with the Switch in general is how bland it feels. The 3DS and WiiU were bursting with personality and Nintendo charm, yet the Switch lacks so much of it. Like if Nintendo wanted to remove all the creativity that made there previous systems unique
As a 3DS and a Wii U owner I still play on those consoles but both of them weren't that perfect, I do remember an absolute fact that the Wii U had some horrible marketing, lackluster Wii U games that were based on 3DS games, Star Fox zero, Paper Mario color splash, Mario party 10, animal crossing amiibo festival and a whole lot more.
Just a reminder, not everything was beautiful and pretty during that era.
@@M64bros And the 3ds had some mediocre games as well
@@irvingamer2235 True, Paper Mario sticker star, Metroid Prime: Federation Force, Super Mario maker for 3DS and a whole lot more I can think of.
@AlessandroLoscueva NGL I agree with you on the hacked version, Also not all of the Wii U games were awful.
I do love Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS so at least there was some gold
@AlessandroLoscueva Along with the 3DS games we received as well
the fact they made a seperate app for the adult n64 games but let dating games be on eshop even on the parental controls is crazy
The fact that you have to buy an online pass to just play games with wifi is the worst part. Even the 3DS, Wii, DS, and Wii u were generous enough to allow you to play with wifi.
It also annoys me how even if you have a bunch of platinum points, you need NSO to even buy new icons. Nintendo messed up a lot of the things on the switch apart from the games. I hope they fix em with the NS2
One thing that bothers me is that you need a NSO subscription to downloads those icons!
Like, why? Is that to "incentivize" you to buy a NSO subscription?
One thing though. I actually like the idea of N64 Mature, it allows Nintendo to add such games as Conker's Bad Fur Day, or that impressive port of Resident Evil 2. Maybe way too optimistic to expect that, but you know, they put Golden Eye for the service, so I can expect anything by now.
Yeah, apparently people don't get that those old games are STILL rated M, and they can't be added to the base app without it having to be re-rated M as well.
They probably won't be adding much to that lol. Maybe one or two updates
I am gonna be real here, I did the nintendo survey for feedback quite a few times back in 2019 to 2020 (still do them today for more ideas) which involved me basically copy and pasting the same idea that involved the icons and plat points and the my nintendo physical rewards. I thought it was a good idea, much better usage than spending them on digital backgrounds or prints. it might not be everyones favorite thing but I felt something like this was needed since they barely added Icons prior to them being implemented as a feature in the app. Not everyone may like them and not everyone has a big amount of plat points but to those who have kinda invested themselves in the program, I felt it would be a better usage of the points rather than them rotting and expiring.
Holy Bandy, I haven’t stopped by this channel in a good minute
now that I think about it, I don't think I've EVER used the Online App! Just played the games LOL!...
Missed opportunity to make this a how Nintendo Online triggers you
True as that is, this issue is too serious for that. It's a legit scam
Stole the words from my mouth
Honestly, I have no motivation at all to get the new Switch Icons, just because of how many that I've missed already 😭
Oh hey Albert!
5:39 bros posture is cooked
Funniest comment here
7:17 A few months ago when the Earthbound icons came out, I downloaded switch online JUST for the Mother icons... and I was a day late...
11:19 HEY! We call thouse "Luigi" Games around these parts!
The fact that we got an icon of a damn coconut tree over King Dedede or Meta Knight is crazy
4:39 Well that explains why all my gold points and platinum points magically disappeared
They can totally spice up how everything looks, but considering the Switch Online app and eShop lags while looking bare bones I believe the reasons I've seen why UI doesn't look as neat as it did on older consoles.
7:50 I remember at one point, Donkey Kong on NES had icons, and one of them is literally just the oil barrel from the game. It doesn’t even have a background like the palm tree. It’s such a stupid icon to have and I love it so much that it’s just my icon now and I refuse to change it.
4:42 this was so annoying because I had over 1k plat points and when the switch icons came out I had no plat coins anymore so I missed out on so many icons and I never have any coins for the icons I want
7:10 I missed the Charizard icon for that *very* small window of time you were given during Scarlet/Violet's launch, because I had no idea there were Switch icons being churned out for Pokémon. I used to only ever see retro titles being showcased, or their first-party titles. I did get the Mewtwo icon though, I just wish these weren't on an arbitrary timer and that you could just buy whatever icon you wanted, whenever you want it.
While I agree with almost every point in the video, the N64 MATURE 17+ app is necessary unfortunately as otherwise the whole N64 app will become 17+ locked due to age rating. Yes these games are 30 years old but their age ratings are still valid up to this day and Nintendo has to treat these like current games as long these games won't get a new check up for a probably new rating.
Seperating these games out into an own app makes sure all the other N64 games can stay open to everyone without any age restriction.
In Europe, the MATURE app is even 18+ due to USK and PEGI regulations. In Japan the app is called the "Nintendo 64 18+" App as also Golden Eye 007 has a 18+ rating in japan unlike f.e. europe with a rating of 16+ or the US with 15+ or something like that.
Pretty much the only things I like about Switch Online is that I get to play some games online and the fact that I can play NES games on the go. That's it.
The thing with the new Switch icons is that they require membership and I'm not paying for a membership because Amazon no longer offers gift cards.
I felt betrayed when they released Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe and never gave you icons for Halcandra and the FINAL BATTLE BATTLEFIELD, WHICH WAS PROBABLY THE BEST THING THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME!
I wish Nintendo’s online was handled better. They should just take out the online part and have you pay the subscription for everything else.
The BASE subscription at that. The Expansion Pack is not worth its cost.
What's part of everything else? The emulators? Subscription numbers would be dropping fast.
@@IceYetiWins HELL no! The emulators are one of the main reasons people get Switch Online.
@@Toadfish10 are they? I didn't know so many people had a strong desire to play nes and snes games.
@@IceYetiWins There's some great games on those systems, eg Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country, Super Metroid, EarthBound...
I don’t deny the integration here was sloppy, and we have the right to complain, but on the other hand, they didn’t HAVE to add the icons, they’re just extras for the diehard fans.. everything else about the NSO app is being unforgivable tho, gg NB
Yeah they didn't no body wanted that or asked for that lmao
All icons should have just been unlock-able by completing certain requirements. For example I want the majoras mask link with tatl above his one hand, make that one unlockable by having the subscription and beating the game.
I already knew just from the title that this vid would be inspired by Beat em Ups' one, but to straight up say it at the start is very cool of you, Nathaniel.
At thus point, I honestly feel like Nintendo just pulls these moves to be different
Icons sound like they're just a few steps away from becoming NFTs.
How about instead of the dumb Online Missions. Make them like achievements/trophies.
Have certain Missions you have to complete in each game and if you complete all of them get a Badge. There are 3 types of Missions: Normal, Rare and Super Rare and you can get platinum points for NSO for completing them. If you get a Badge, you get gold points.
Like PS Trophies you can also display your mission completions and badges on your account. The sound for Missions would be a Coin sound effect from Mario and the sound for a Badge would be the Moon collect sound effect from Mario Odyssey. (Also change NSO's name back to Nintendo Network)
Nah, you see, this would be an extrinsic reward, and Nintendo resently really doesn't like that. You should only play games for the sake of playing the game and having fun.
If you already watched beat em up's video skip to 6:00 to get to the point
There's no personality to it either. The old eshops had unique music that made it fun and memorable. Everything about the Switch eshop is very corporate and dull.
If it's laggy without music, you know it'd perform worse with music.
@@rjd1922ok. It's better to have music to listen to while lagging then no music and lag.
Another annoying thing about the Switch UI is the News app. You can't delete messages at all. You will end up having old news items dating back to when you set up your Switch for the first time, just sitting there and take up space on the internal memory. The 3DS also had this silly limitation too with it's news/messages tab. They should have included an option to delete the message after reading it, and I hope they do this for the new Switch or whatever it's going to be called. And for the various Virtual Console apps, they show a quite intrusive banner when you begin using a specific console app for the first few plays. It shows how to use the menu features like the Rewind feature or what the Start and Select buttons are. In a platform game, this banner can cover up the bottom of the screen, such as the first levels of Super Mario Bros. There is unused space on the left and right hand sides, so they could have just displayed these messages there so you can still learn the menus while not having the messages interfere with the game screen.
I think they were just lazy with the integration because the Nintendo switch online section came out well after the eShop. Hopefully whenever the next console comes around, it'll have better integration with all this stuff
I think the Platinum Points should be utilised to hand out in game rewards. They don’t need to hand out much but giving something like a sum of bells in ACNH or a sum of rupees in any of the Zelda games would be nice. Or hand out outfits in games like Echoes of Wisdom which would be harmless. Right now they’re just pointless
Would this then be considered in game purchases by the ESRB? I mean, not like any game with NSO available isn't already getting that label slapped on, but still.
@@LG555 i dunno, honestly. did games that integrated Play Coins on 3DS (Pokemon Rumble Blast off the top of my head, probably a few others?) get slapped with that too?
it seems fairly comparable, because you can't buy either of them with real money it's not _technically_ a _'purchase'_ per se
0:31 what's this ost
Mario 3D land (or 3D world) miniboss theme
On stop toppertolder made by john leeounwerturserwerpoliosdgorurso
Little story about just how bad nintendo's online is:
So i've 100% a lot of my switch games (Botw, MK8d, SMO,SM3DL...) and thought it'd be smart to yk, save the data to a cloud if the worst where to arrive. I bought NSO subscription's 3 month pack (using the NSO 3 month card), saved my data and felt safe. Shortly after my nintendo switch broke. While that hurt i was kinda glad i still kept my coordinates to my Nintendo account so when i'd get the data from th ecloud back. A year later, long after my NSO subscription was over, i bought a new switch and with it an NSO 3 month subscription pack to recover my data. I connected my account, set NSO up, and went in game data to try to download the data from the cloud.
It turns out, since i hadn't been paying through out the whole year for an NSO subscription, my data had been deleted and there is now no way for me to recover all the data i saved to the cloud.
Worst part is, i geniuenly don't know if it's because nintendo is just incapable of making adequate online services or if it's out of pure greed.
Japanese law required the extra N64 app
11:14 I don't buy that excuse because plenty of other websites let you use your own icons with no problem. Even if there is a problem, have a report system in place to report inappropriate pictures.
10:14 i saw mario kart 9, thought it released for a second, looked back and realized it was fake :(
If Nintendo still wants to hide icons behind challenges, it should be challenges like the following:
1. Beat World 1-4 without collecting any coins. (You get a icon with a coin with an X through it).
2. Make opponents crash 5 times during a race in Mario Kart (you get a red shell icon)
3. Win all sports in a row in Nintendo Switch Sports 2: Milan 2026 (you get an Olympic Rings icon)
4. Get over 10 Stars in Mario Party (you get a Star icon)
What if they had the system linked to achievements? For example, getting the "After Alterna" achievement in Splatoon 3 would give you some extra icons and themes linked to the game. Plus, Platinum Points could essentially become Gamerscore and your total Platinum count could be shown off on your account, or you can use the points to get even m o r e icons not linked to achievements, but to the software that you have played. Have you played Skylanders Superchargers and want to get an icon of Spitfire? Cough up some Platinum Points and you can. By performing well in the games, you can customize your console however you want. Maybe they could introduce the Mii Plaza again, but some of the minigames ONLY unlock if you have enough Platinums in your score, and anyone who you Streetpass or play with online comes to your plaza and is available to play minigames like Feed Mii or Battleground Z. Heck, they could even use this to reintroduce Nintendo Land.
Vouchers are the only way I got to TOTK and Splatoon 3, saved 30 dollars. Also, vouchers and gift cards that aren't spent can be a nightmare for trying to keep up with so having it expire gives a set time you can be sure money spent years ago won't suddenly take away from current sales.
I’ll be honest, I’m the guy who gets these icons, and I agree that Nintendo did these icons in a weird way.
7:19 Yeah, that's too bad. For example. Fire Emblem Engage came out in January 2023 and I played it August 2023. I fell in love with this game and I really wanna have something from this game as an icon especially something which shows Celica. But it never appeared and I never saw it again. I really hope that they will do something that we're getting a chance to buy this icons without limits. I've no problem that they're costing some points but it sucks that they can disappear without chances to come back and even when they came back they aren't stay forever. I hate this. I hope that one day I have a icon from Fire Emblem Engage which shows Celica.
since beatemups made the eshop sucks video
now i miss 3ds and wiiu and wii eshop
anyway me personally i only used nintendo online system 1-3 years and it was the beginning years of online
then i got bored and played pokemon leaf green and emerald
The one thing that pisses me off about the icons is that there was a specific icon that I wanted but I never got the chance to get... BECAUSE I NEVER HAD A SWITCH WHILE IT WAS AVAILABLE
If only we could exchange platinum points for themes for the switch's home menu. Like c'mon Nintendo why can we still not have themes for the home menu?!
Because Nintendo doesn't want people to spend time in menues. This is a game console. You are supposed to play games on it.
@@LG555 That's such a stupid argument and you know it.
I love icons, it always a blessing to me when I create a new account somewhere and I get to pick one!
I love them so much, I've gauged the pros and cons of taking a one-year subscription just to have them (when I figured out (not sure) your icons weren't available when your subscription expired, I decide not to x) )
Nintendo just became a follower of the other companies. I don’t understand why these gaming companies started to charge for online it makes no sense but hey MONEY MONEY MONEY
They need money to support the servers
@AnotherWarioWareFan not an argument
@@gamingguy9006 Why not?
@@AnotherWarioWareFan They make millions of dollars on the console and game sales in just one month alone. Steam for example has no problem providing free online service.
@@emperorfaiz That's not really enough to keep servers running
1:46 Knowing how some parents are, I'm pretty sure doing that was more to prevent themselves from potential lawsuits.
EDIT: Passion for Exploring from VVVVVV, nice choice Mr Bandy ^^
The fact that you need switch online to play minecraft realms feels like a complete scam considering its free on practically every other version
Wrong
In PlayStation you need PS + to play Minecraft online
@@koruoshouji9960 it says “practically”
@@koruoshouji9960 whatever cuz its completely free on mobile
God help anyone genuinely playing bedrock on Switch. I think it's a bad enough experience that it should be legally classified as an extreme torture method. It's barely above being completely unplayable most of the time. The craziest part is modding your Switch to run linux then playing the Java edition with sodium and controlify gets you a good experience that doesn't take 10 years to load a chunk 💀. It actually runs really well at a decent render distance and feels much better to control and play as well.
@@noodleman4555see this is why I bought java on my steam deck, because playing anything but bugrock on switch automatically feels like an upgrade
The "Icons" are literally just screenshots in the game I can take for free😂
Nintendo treats customers badly because they know they can get away with it.
It’s insane what Nintendo fans put up with and still keep shoving money down Nintendos throat.
Nathaniel will you ever do every luigi game marathon, not just luigis mansion but also marios missing and other games where luigis the main character
9:31 Literally every person on my friend list. They change their icons every single week 😂😅
i have 381 splatoon 3 icon elements but only 1 sm3dw icon... why can't i merge them?!
Hey Nintendo, Switch Online sucks in general
0:32 I can’t believe the entirety of Australia shares this switch with you.
ain't u Nathaniel B?
I'm a huge fan of your videos thank you for making this, Nintendo needs to hear this
5:32 please fix your neck
3:00 this is the same reason why we don’t have e-shop music, custom icons or a customisable home menu themes.
Hot take: subscriptions for every console is not a scam!
just out of curiosity why do you think they aren’t?
@@vinnypierce267as long as they only add extras it's fine, but when they make you pay for something that should be free (like online play and saving to the cloud) it's just plain greed.
@@vinnypierce267 probably just rage baiting
Now this is actually a hot take, unlike that other comment.
I agree, I don't mind paying for them considering the fact that I have a job!
I actually like the random zoom in of Mario in World 7...
How the Nintendo Switch app TRIGGERS you
what’s with the constant Mario 64 camera sound effect every time you zoom in
This is showing many signs that the Nintendo Switch needs to actually end sooner enough and the next generation should begin
Everyone were saying the same with Xbox and PlayStation and look...
After 4 years it doesn't feel like a New Generation started.
What I hate is I can't mix and match for the icons?
For example, why can't I get background and border and use it with my Mii image? I want to use my Mii, which makes every icon thing useless for me.
People making this a meme
At the very least for the Icons, make it so that I can see the Icons I own the games for. I don't mind paying with platinum points, but rewarding those who purchase specific games can always have access to purchase the Icons of that game. Again make it available for all to purchase at a set time, and once it goes away, those who own the game can still have access to purchase them.
Nintendo could’ve honestly kept online free, but no they had to get more money somehow.
Source?
@@777idkineedausernamewdym source why else would they charge for online besides for money bro
@@repoversemedium They're probably using that money to develop high budget games cuz usually nowadays it cost money to develop video games.
I've heard breath of the wild cost $120,000,000 to develop.
@@M64bros That and the servers
@@AnotherWarioWareFan Exactly!
I have been collecting all of the splatoon 3 icons since day 1, now I have 477. That's a LOT of icons.