I've always thought that Catelyn's thought about Renly being "a ghost in a golden crown" refers to how similar he is to Robert (reinforced by the next sentence) instead of how he was 'hollow' and 'nothing'. It's always interesting how many ways you could take a sentence and it reveals new meanings through the lens of other people.
Hey Schwift, thanks for the shoutout! The semester is almost over and I haven't strangled my students, so I think that donation is well deserved. I really hope I make it to a livestream at some point!
I'm actually blown away, this might be the only time I've ever seen a UA-camr i like not also be a fan of RLM haha, i guess he just didn't know who rich was but they're like the one linking thread between everyone YMS, IH, Ralph, Vaati, martincitopants everyone loves or was inspired by RLM haha
I'm pretty sure people in Westerosi upper society do know Renly and Loras are a thing. Stannis accuses (by Westerosi standards an accusation) Renly of not being into women (Margaery in particular), Margaery later claims to be a virgin, and Jaime straight up says to Loras that he'll stab him where even Renly didn't or something like that. Jaime was hardly that close to either Renly or Loras when any of this was going on, so if he knows it's probably not a well kept secret. In the show it was made much more explicit still, but this already tells us enough, I think.
Renly really did have the Stormlands behind him Schwifty! Selmy, Estermont, Morrigen, Tarth and more are storm-houses and Stannis only had 5K men with several crownland-houses (Celtigar, Velaryon) backing him. Aside from House Florent the Reach did not flip, but Stannis army still multiplied from Renly's stormlords switching.
I agree, even though execive parties, laughter and drinking in face of serious matters is bad are all those needed. When the world seems to end, its dark, wights are coming and everyones last pair of socks are wet someone needs to lighten the mood and remember the good times and that spring may still be coming.
I think it's cool in both the book and the show that when Brienne asks to be one of Renly's personal guards, he grants it to her without hesitating. We could have had a king who was (relatively) feminist and (relatively) pro-gay rights.
I think the descriptions of Renly here are a bit unfair. The ability to make friends and keep people complacent is a huge part of the legitimacy any ruler of the cursed lands of Westeros can have. It is made clear in the later chapters that those flowery Southerners can throw a punch when it comes to tussling so if it wasn't for plot contrivance spawns-behind-you shadowkiller Renly would likely have succeeded. Also this is Catelyn's perspective and in her grief-stricken state of mind and the stern Stark ideology she adapted of course she'd see all that PR shit as just a show. The idea of the sanctity of lineage has not really been a workable way to uphold legitimacy and with it the peace at least since Aegon the Unworthy and it is pretty sure that Stannis would have made a terrible king. In the unruly Westeros a king as hated by the nobility as the Mannis would have had a bad time - presumably. Of course we'll never know as he made a mess of it when he tried. All this to say Reach with a Peach, Sex on the Beach, Roose likes a leech and Renly is the liege.
@@lurksnitchtongue8986 Thanks! With all the praise for the Mannis, some of it well-deserved, I wanted to spread some propaganda for the little brother who couldn‘t. The notion to make one‘s own kingdom with Blackjack and Hookers is just very relatable to me.
sorry denly was a class bloke and if it weren't for george renly would have one easily and everyone would be happy and live forever eating spun suger unicorns
Finally someone who agrees with me! He's just as legitimate as the rest of them... So, not legitimate at all but at least he's a top guy to have some beer and watch some games with.
Haven't finished the video yet but si far my favorite line is "there's something about the performative masculinity of someone like Randall Tarly"
I've always thought that Catelyn's thought about Renly being "a ghost in a golden crown" refers to how similar he is to Robert (reinforced by the next sentence) instead of how he was 'hollow' and 'nothing'. It's always interesting how many ways you could take a sentence and it reveals new meanings through the lens of other people.
Margery crowning moment was when she calls cersie a bitch
Hey Schwift, thanks for the shoutout! The semester is almost over and I haven't strangled my students, so I think that donation is well deserved. I really hope I make it to a livestream at some point!
Also, as I am listening to this, I am in fact grading again. So.
Schwift was in a bubbly mood for this one. Good stuff as always
Honestly if renly had just taken arya and sansa with him to force Ned’s hand he would have won catelyn support .
I honestly think that renly wouldn't have the balls to make such a move at that point
Never do a face reveal, although I have no doubt you're a handsome boy
Handsome boy with a greasy chin.
Snail trail reveal
Havsii
He can't, because it would also be a face reveal for Internet Historian, since they're clearly the same person
I'm actually blown away, this might be the only time I've ever seen a UA-camr i like not also be a fan of RLM haha, i guess he just didn't know who rich was but they're like the one linking thread between everyone
YMS, IH, Ralph, Vaati, martincitopants everyone loves or was inspired by RLM haha
I'm pretty sure people in Westerosi upper society do know Renly and Loras are a thing. Stannis accuses (by Westerosi standards an accusation) Renly of not being into women (Margaery in particular), Margaery later claims to be a virgin, and Jaime straight up says to Loras that he'll stab him where even Renly didn't or something like that. Jaime was hardly that close to either Renly or Loras when any of this was going on, so if he knows it's probably not a well kept secret. In the show it was made much more explicit still, but this already tells us enough, I think.
does that scene where Renly shows Catelyn all the campfires remind anyone else of a similar scene in Berserk?
Renly really did have the Stormlands behind him Schwifty! Selmy, Estermont, Morrigen, Tarth and more are storm-houses and Stannis only had 5K men with several crownland-houses (Celtigar, Velaryon) backing him. Aside from House Florent the Reach did not flip, but Stannis army still multiplied from Renly's stormlords switching.
Yooo daddy is back
I agree, even though execive parties, laughter and drinking in face of serious matters is bad are all those needed. When the world seems to end, its dark, wights are coming and everyones last pair of socks are wet someone needs to lighten the mood and remember the good times and that spring may still be coming.
This was great! I love Catelyn´s chapters!
I love her chapters all the events, plots and characters, yet she is one character I dislike the most in the series...
What a nice evening suprise
I love the Angelica secret Targaryen theories in chat.
One second into the video.
Alt Schwift X: *cum*
I just finished (pun intended). What a great chapter and great abridging as always. Looking forward to getting to triple digits soon!
Hehehhehehee
I came (pun intended) too the comments and im glad in not disappointed
One of my favorite chapters
The maid with the blade
I think it's cool in both the book and the show that when Brienne asks to be one of Renly's personal guards, he grants it to her without hesitating. We could have had a king who was (relatively) feminist and (relatively) pro-gay rights.
I double checked and that quote WAS from the rugrats, not the wild thornberrys 😎
Donnie was the wild boy from the Wild Thornberrys. But yeah Angelica had ‘sponsobilorieas’ since she was the oldest rugrat.
Was that a hidden reveal of the title of the 8th book?
6. The Winds of Winter, 7. A Dream of Spring, 8. A Festival of Sphincters
I bet Scumbag Alt Schift X is the only one that dislikes these
Perhaps Stannis *was* inflexible iron, but woth some carbon coal forged himself into flexible strong steel.
Or with hot enough fire he is made flexible
damn... i'd have loved the "Mother!' video and your thoughts and insights on it
Re-listening and re-reading 😊
I think the descriptions of Renly here are a bit unfair. The ability to make friends and keep people complacent is a huge part of the legitimacy any ruler of the cursed lands of Westeros can have. It is made clear in the later chapters that those flowery Southerners can throw a punch when it comes to tussling so if it wasn't for plot contrivance spawns-behind-you shadowkiller Renly would likely have succeeded. Also this is Catelyn's perspective and in her grief-stricken state of mind and the stern Stark ideology she adapted of course she'd see all that PR shit as just a show.
The idea of the sanctity of lineage has not really been a workable way to uphold legitimacy and with it the peace at least since Aegon the Unworthy and it is pretty sure that Stannis would have made a terrible king. In the unruly Westeros a king as hated by the nobility as the Mannis would have had a bad time - presumably. Of course we'll never know as he made a mess of it when he tried.
All this to say Reach with a Peach, Sex on the Beach, Roose likes a leech and Renly is the liege.
"Reach with a Peach, Sex on the Beach, Roose likes a leech and Renly is the liege."
That's a fantastic little poem
@@lurksnitchtongue8986 Thanks! With all the praise for the Mannis, some of it well-deserved, I wanted to spread some propaganda for the little brother who couldn‘t. The notion to make one‘s own kingdom with Blackjack and Hookers is just very relatable to me.
Well, yes, but also being nice to people is gay. Counter this, liberal
Melees, also known as vanilla american football.
I really like Stanis to be the king. But alas, he is not a lovable king.
But he's an honorable king
@@faisalkamal4319and dutiful.
YES.
Why wasn't Brienne at the Hands tourney?
Who did you shout out Clydas on UA-cam? Gluydas? I didn’t watch live.
Glydus
Glidus
Glaidas
yeah the username is spelled Glidus
Rucky Digital Glidus, he does theory videos and has a series of really funny analysis of the last two seasons of thrones
54:50
Donnie? Who the fuck is Donnie on the rugrats??
Caitlyn is colorblind
Why tho
@@jordonby yes
sorry denly was a class bloke and if it weren't for george renly would have one easily and everyone would be happy and live forever eating spun suger unicorns
Finally someone who agrees with me! He's just as legitimate as the rest of them... So, not legitimate at all but at least he's a top guy to have some beer and watch some games with.
@@btarczy5067 meh another robert