Who was the WEAKEST Sith to ever Attempt to Terrorise the Galaxy?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- If the Dark Side is like venom, then his apprentice must've been a besst, because he clearly got none of it.
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Darth Venamis, probably spent his whole life training under Tenebrous just to lose his first duel to Plagueis, then become his lab rat for the rest of his vegetable life.
Poor guy...
LMFAO Plagueis wasn't his first, couldn't have been.
@@legacyofthedarkside2973He was
@@midnght8036 where does it state that Venamis’ first ever duel was against Plagueis?? You have no idea what missions Darth Tenebrous had him doing in preparation.
@@legacyofthedarkside2973 Hmm
True
Sith master: Do you like your new name, my apprentice?
Sith apprentice: Fine.
Sith master: You sure, Darth...Butthole?
Sith apprentice: *plots his master's death in anger*
And because of his anger, he succeeded in many, many ways. Reverse psychology sure has its advantages...
Even without a bad name they all plot their master's demise in anger :D
ps: Darth Broken But Whole (SCNR!)
XD
Nice ProZD reference 👌🏻
@@Syncuno _I_ think this commenter... got _the point!_
He seriously sounds like a RPG player who tries so hard to play an evil character, but didn’t want to feel bad for making a character sad
me lmao
Lol, me every day.
He’s a smart sith
Man this is relatable!
me playing mass effect
This dummy basically fell to the *light side* , that's hilarious.
All the sith ghosts yelling at him like "HOW THE KRIFF DO YOU EVEN DO THAT?"
Darth Bane: facepalm
Light Sith!?
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Imagine being the Sith Lord master who got killed by Darth Gravid of all people
I was gonna say, like, how is Gravid the weakest and not his absolute jobber of a master
Because he was strong when he killed his master. It was his stupid pursuit of a force middle-ground later in his life that weakened him, as explained in the video.
His master probably died of natural causes or a death stick overdose
@@sheevthesenate5148 I wonder if Sith apprentices are promoted to darth when their masters just die of old age or some accident lol
@@ItachiUchiha-69 if there's only the apprentice left, then I guess the they're the only one available for the title of darth
This guy actually sounds like a tragic character, but in the opposite way from Anakin. It’s basically your classic good-hearted person realizes that they have such a heart, and wanting to break out of the miserable life he has been forced to live.
Palpatine: years of plotting to turn the Republic into an Empire
Malgus: So I ram this shuttle into the Jedi temple
Malgus used the front door, and left through the front door... without wiping his feet. True evil
You can’t do that
At least he wore a mask though
This shows how the Sith had changed, they had gone from combat-driven combatants to the most influential people in the galaxy, and honestly, the jury is still out on which method was more effective
@@robbymanable they both had their purpose in the Star Wars lore but in my opinion they are 50/50 bc the sith before the rule of 2 have lasted for more than 25,000 year and the rule of two was created as a result of it. They both had the right idea but it takes time.
“So anyway I started slicin”
The fact that Darth Gravid became a Darth at all is astounding, his master must have been desperate for an apprentice.
I wonder if Darth Vecivois is his master
@@tylerjones7592 Well if Darth Gravid did slay his master, that wouldn't be the case. As from what I understand Darth Vectivus died an old man in his sleep.
He wasn't always Like That.
lol
@@demi-femme4821 Oh I know, but all we know about him is how he failed.
Gravid could have been weak, but he is kinda relatable. I mean, the sith build themselves in their pain and hatred, and in the end, it will have been all in vain, because you apprentice will kill you. Then, you see a bunch of dudes with simillar powers to you, but they don't have to be paranoid about their apprentices killing them, and you don't need to use your "dark" feelings, you're are actually disincouraged to use them. It's kinda tempting you know.
personally, if I had the choice, i wouldn't be a sith. Yeah, you get the cool powers and the edgy clothes, but at the cost of living kind of a miserable live where everthing is hate, hate, and a little more hate and the knowledge that you will eventually get backstabbed by someone younger and stronger
Yep Yep Yep. But is it really betrayal, if they knew it was a fact that they would die to their apprentices someday?
This argument is a little one sided and wrong so I’m going to hash out some things.
Sith believe in feelings, whatever those feelings may be. Passion, hatred and things like that sure. But also love, and compassion.
Jedi believe all emotions are to be feared and cut out of your psyche, they want you to be a numb obedient sentinel.
Is this better than being eventually killed by your apprentice? Sure, but you left out the part where that’s only if you’re not good enough to beat them. Also, sometimes that just doesn’t happen. I do assure you though masters kill apprentices at a much higher rate than the other way around lol.
@Samuel Dimmock that’s way after most of the known lore, for thousands of years Jedi perpetrated and pedaled perpetual ignorance. I’m glad they eventually do away with the rule, but for a very long time the Jedi where hypocrites who shoved people to the dark side head first because of their stupidity. Hundreds of things led up to darth Vader’s fall, nearly none of it was his fault. Though I can’t condone his actions what he did is understandable after what the Jedi did to him.
@Samuel Dimmock the Jedi order essentially let Anakin's mother die, so no, i disagree. this is actually a false dilemma, just because you think they where right in the terms of which side of the force they where on, doesn't mean they should've been in the governing body of the galaxy's politics. also if you're an expanded universe guy, yeah. most things do actually happen before the events of the original trilogy.
@Samuel Dimmock you where saying it doesn’t mean they’re wrong, I think there’s a point to be made with both sides of the force. But the Jedi where the ones mainly involved in politics while the Sith just sat back most of the time. Aside from the time of vitiate and Revan, I mostly thought you meant the rightful rulers of the galaxy or something because that’s what it falls to in the end. I don’t think ether the Sith or Jedi where right, as with most things something in between would work better.
The Senate is among the strongest to ever liberate the galaxy.
This is true.
So is Luke Skywalker
Nothing compaired to Darth Ackley
I think I found my favorite sith
Among (sus) amogus reference
I'm currently reading through the Darth Plagueis novel and Gravid's f*** up gets mentioned a lot. Well, on the plus side, the set back allowed for Plagueis to be a Sith.
It's like they needed a scapegoat as to why newer sith didn't have old sith techniques.
They needed a scapegoat to modernize the sith, it´s rich though for all that Gravid hate, Jedi turned sith were quite powerful so Gravid was on to something.
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I kinda like him, he followed his own path, and all the weakness we hear about comes from sith. How he lost we dont know, perhaps his plan allowed the sith to win in the end after all
Darth Nox:
*Sighs* they’d make anyone a Sith Lord these days
Ahem. Darth Imperius.
Darth Occlus goes brrrrr
Exactly!
Darth Bane: 😐
to be honest: Lord is a very common title in the old republic timeline.
Darth Nox became lord early in the apprenticeship to Darth Zash; but a Darth only after Darth Thanaton's demise.
The exclusive light/dark binary is my least favorite part of Star Wars.
SWTOR does it pretty well, you can do light side sith and in the case of the warrior, it is honestly one of my favorite storylines. Lightside sith doesnt mean he is a goody goody almost jedi, just that he can see the advantage of working with a jedi for instance if it serves the same goal, will not attack innocents or bystanders if at all possible, and prefers a fair fight... but if you cross him he will still straight up murder you. I far prefer it to the darkside paths like sith sorcerer where you often just torture people for the lulz... I mean information, yea information.
I'd say Kylo Ren, only problem is he'd have to be strong enough to be a sith in the first place.
That and he'd need to be trained by an actual Sith
Still there is no denying that Kylo didn’t surpass his grandfather in some capacity. Mostly in regards to usurping his master and achieving the title of supreme leader. What truly held back Kylo from becoming a true Sith was the emotional torment he had faced after he killed his father. An act that he thought would strengthen his connection to the dark side, but rather it weakened him.
But you are not wrong in regards to Kylo not being powerful enough to be a Sith, if he truly was, then he would’ve gotten the dark side corruption beginning with the Sith Eyes.
@@Fi_Sci_ I really don't get why Kylo is so hated other than he's new.
"You're no Sith, you don't even know how to hold a lightsaber!"
Yeah, similiar in a way to Darth Malgus...he killed the woman he loved because she was his only weakness...but instead of becoming much more powerful, he actually nearly became insane from grief and misery.
The real weakest sith in SW history is my character in KOTOR, after Deadeye Duncan kills me in the dueling ring
Or after you get killed by overloading a terminal...
@@jonseon5952 Never understood why that was even an option
@@Fleechin I got stuck in Kotor 2 where you have to open a door and one option allows for bashing a terminal, I got flashbacks and spent hours wandering around looking for a hidden passcode. Turns out into that game destroying the terminal is a viable option.
@@jonseon5952 Hopefully the remake everyone's been talking about will make things a bit clearer
LOL
The weakest Star Wars Sith was Darth Senate. They couldn’t get anything done
???? Sheev got plenty of stuff done.
@@geetslys but ol’ Sheevie was quite the powerhouse.
(Yes I know what Geetsly’s is joking about)
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I am behind this plot
I think Darth Gravid is a compelling argument against the rule of two
Yeah train a few and if some don't work out like Darth Gravid, just kill him and let the next try.
Most Sith didn’t even follow the RoT, even Bane had several apprentices.
@@austinhinton3944 they weren't Sith, though. They were just 'back-ups' if the apprentice (or, in worst case scenario, both the master and apprentice) got killed.
Quite the opposite actually. If it wasn't for " number 2 " AKA his apprentice, the Sith Grand Plan would have ended in faillure before it even had a chance to be initiated.
I think that it would be really cool to get a series or movie set in the old republic era that details the events that led to Darth Bane’s rule of 2.
agreed :)
I mostly agree. I just fear how much they could mess it all up. I still think they should make an animated show that is for more than kids and put it on Sunday night television. If comedy can do well then I see no reason that a dramatic show could not do the same.
The rule of one makes more sense than the rule of 2
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He may have fucked up, but he had a good idea to study the Jedi, you have to know and understand your enemy if you want to beat them, especially given how many times the Jedi rose back up and beat the Sith. This kind of know your enemy thing is like what Thrawn does. But this guy is the farthest thing from a Thrawn.
Whats Revan then?
@@CHRF-55457 It depends, I have a theory that Revan was faking being evil when he took the star forge for himself and started attacking the Republic. Looking at his strategy it only makes sense if he was trying to militarize the Republic from the outside so they could fight the Sith empire. If that theory is correct, then he is best described by his allegiance to the republic rather then his alignment in the force.
@@viperstriker4728 In that case, he uses the force more like the Knights of Zakuul then.
@@CHRF-55457 I hadn't thought of that before but it definitely is similar.
It's stated during a flashpoint in SWTOR that Revan was influencing Vitiate to keep him from attacking the Republic. It could be that was when Vitiate started building Zakuul and picked up some of Revan's philosophy of the force as a by product.
"One does not simply fall to the light side." - The Jedi & Sith
Darth Gravid: Watch me, howbow dah?
Ez Kyle Ren, hell one of his men betrayed him dooming his empire just cause he didn’t like him and some janitor that aid blow up starkiller base , not to mention lost to a scavenger who never wielded a light saber who had no training
not cannon. :(
Who?
Oh, you're talking about Disney's fanfictions.
You like the sequels >:U
May god have mercy on your soul....
Emo ren isn't a sith even jar jar Abrahams has admitted it.
Kylo Ren shouldn't be called a proper Sith. he's an edge-lord who likes to cosplay as a sith
I hope the Geetsly crew has Sith assassin-Proofed their homes.
If HE was the weakest of all EVER Geean didnt have to try all that hard after learning all he had to teach.. ESPECIALLY since he BASICALLY pulled reverse psychology... On himself... An turned into a half Light Sith.. Almost a Grey Jedi
Darth Kathleen was probably among the worst Sith too.
She is to dangerous to be mentioned here, she can corrupt the entire Star Wars universe with her terrible ideas
@@amaze2173 how dare you disrespect the creator of the best character in Star Wars: ThE rOcK
@@annuitcptis1447 doesn’t the rock cross dress or something lol, that’s all ik about it other than it’s literally a rock
@@amaze2173 I WAS BEING SARCASTIC
@@annuitcptis1447 Ik lol
Gravid is actually pretty chill. Makes me want to hang out with the guy.
As per usual, this channel is nothing but blind Jedi dogma. Have you learned nothing from the fall of of the Jedi?
Not true!
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That's Impossible!!!
@@geetslys Nah, he's right.
This channel disses the jedi plenty over their misinterpretation of the force
@@monticore1626 Really? When? Could it be on the few occasions that the Jedi weren't acting in a stereotypical polarized fashion?
The weakest Sith was Snoke. He had 0.2 seconds of screen time and wasn’t even afforded the title of Darth or lord.
I don't know if he was ever confirmed to be a Sith though, cause Kylo Ren definitely wasn't. Snoke was just a test tube abomination used as a figurehead for the First Order (First Order doesn't even make sense because according to galactic history they would be like the 9 thousandth Order but I digress)
@@DrownInLysergic a rose by any other name would smell as sweet
I think this particular Sith Lord was actually necessary. He serves through his life choices as an example of what to never allow oneself to fall into as a Sith moving forward; to never jeopardize The Rule of Two so egregiously ever again...As Yoda has said, “Our great teacher, failure is.”
All I know is I’m the most powerful
I was literally expecting to see another Darth Maul slander video 🤣
Darth Gary. Not a great duelist but very punctual.
The ancient Je'dai were not weak by a long shot and a middle ground ist also not weakness! Look at Revan! He started out as a Jedi-Knight, became a Dark-Lord of the Sith and then became something else (a middle ground!) and far more powerful and able to use the techniques of both sides!
The Je'dai only "lost" because they allowed factions to form and then after failing to stop that tried to wipe out the faction who chose the dark side...so they defeated themselves and turned into the dogmatic Jedi!
That is impressively wrong.
In Canon and Legends, you can in fact use the light and dark and it was the real potential of Revan and he made it work
Yeah, he didn't fall. He simply sacrificed. Sacrificed being a Jedi and sacrificed all the people to fight the True Sith.
Exactly!
Well if kotor is cannon then eventually he did fall it just took 300 years
Revan is basically the most powerful force user in all of history, he doesn’t play by any rules
Revan basically had a split personality and also used each side whenever he felt it was needed for the greater good of the Galaxy, he never once used both at the same time
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Darth Vectivus. For sure. He didn’t even try lol.
Best boi Vectivus
he took his death like a champ and became one of the few sith to become one with the force
@@rootin222 to terrorize the galaxy was the title. He did not try.
@JomaVFX he was smart
More like he was smart, and didn't use the Dark Side for evil.
*Darth Momin:* conquer the Galaxy? pffft imma make some fancy statues
Do we even know if that guy got an apprentice? how the hell did the Sith continue after Star Wars Picasso's death? xD
He’s an ancient sith long before bane he didn’t want apprentice as he said he didn’t feel he knew enough about the darkside to teach
My guess once he finished his master piece he would teach easy he was killed
Honestly, as a character is actually pretty interesting. Though he may be a weak sith, I kind of like the idea of somebody "falling to the light side", and a lot of the Sith principles aren't necessarily inherently evil, so the idea of an altruistic Sith is actually not super out-of-left-field. I guess we kind of have a case here where somebody studied his enemy for so long that he's able to see things from their perspective to an extent.
In Canon the High Republic Era started c. 500 BBY, not long after Gravid's legends death. A time when the Republic was reaching its hight, the Jedi were at their strongest, and the greatest threat they faced had nothing to do with the Sith Grand Plan, as far as we know. It's possible that because of Gravid's actions contributed to the High Republic era.
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Kylo Ren probably is, he lost to someone who had never turned on a lightsaber
Unfortunately he isn't a sith
That's a knock on Mary Sue, she should have lost
@@goodmind4940 yeah she should have but he still lost to someone with no experience
Ngl the separation of light and dark and the absence of a grey area killed alot of interest in the force, just so many interesting doors closed
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Quite true, even I do
I like how this video low key explains why grey jedi or dark jedi simply don't work. I used to subscribe to the idea as a teen but the more you delve into star wars lore, the more you realise it's either one or the other
Sith are technically dark Jedi. Think Protestant vs Catholic in turns of petty rivalry. Tbh I would want other force factions to be focused on... I do miss the Nightsisters.
But have you considered a light side force user who follows the Sith code? Basically read the Sith code but passion is just being passionate about protecting that which you love instead of anger. If it's possible to form attachments without them leading to the dark side then everything else in the Sith code lines up pretty well. I imagine it would look something like politically active Jedi, and since Palatine basically beat them with political rather then through combat might have been able to stop that.
Viperstriker4 The dark side isn’t even really evil, the Sith code states that to attempt the impossible( meaning inner peace without emotion) is foolish and that passion gives strength. Luke says in the Last Jedi when Rey reaches out to the force, “To say that if the Jedi died the light dies is hubris, do you understand that.” The dark side is not the Sith, just as the Jedi aren’t the light side. From my understanding the dark side is interested in the manipulation of the living force(it surrounds us penetrates) whereas the Jedi are more inclined to the cosmic force(it binds the galaxy together) this is why the Sith want cling to life so badly. Passion isn’t even just anger, hate or fear it can be love and joy. The dark side(not the Sith because they’re a religion as are the Jedi) is in my opinion more practical because the living force is the here and now. Unlike the lofty ideals of the cosmic force.
I think a middle ground could be reached, hypothetically, but sadly most writers are stuck with Lucas’ “you are either good or PURE EVIL!”.
@@briarrosegael2015 I think if you swap the words sith and dark side I would agree with you.
The Sith code doesn't say which passions, so like you stated it is also joy and love, but I don't think that is still dark side.
The Jedi argue that all emotion leads to the dark side but they never claim that emotion is the dark side. For example, forming attachments (such as love in any of it's meanings) leads to the risk of losing that which you are attached to, thus leading to fear and hate. So I would say the Jedi define the dark side as wielding the force with fear, hate, etc. In ep 2 Anakin points out that in a way Jedi are encouraged to love (suggesting that that is the light side) but they aren't allowed to let that love form attachments since that can lead to negative emotions. Basically the Jedi suppress emotion not because it is all the dark side, but because they fear good emotions souring to bad ones.
Also there is many storylines in which locations get corrupted by the dark side and the end result is always the wild life getting more aggressive and savage.
I agree with you that the Sith want to manipulate the force. I think it was Darth Marr who said that to the Jedi the force is a companion, to the Sith the force is a slave. When I say light side Sith I imagine someone who uses passions that come from compassion, love, and joy to enslave the will of the force toward making those passions reality.
You can kill me but you can never destroy me it takes strength to resist the dark side only the weak and brace it. it is more powerful than you.
And the power of those who oppose it is stronger than you'll ever be.
lol.
I see Gravid as a rebel fighting against the system that kept the sith and jedi fighting forever.
Failo Ren, Failo Ren, Failo Ren! - Seriously, if you put that failure of a character into the EU, the weakest of the Sith-Lords from the EU would rip him into tiny little pieces!
ps: Yes, Failo...just like the Disney Wars movies are 'The Farce Awakens', 'The Lost Jedi' and 'The Fail of Skywalker' (Palpatine after all wins because of Rey)
In my mind, Sith, under the rule of two, are Zealots. Putting all your effort into a cause, knowing that you will eventually die for it. I think that Gravid ultimately wasn't a Zealot.
there's no middle ground to the Light and Dark sides?
uhhhh, Revan?
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Remember the Naked Gun movies ? Now imagine that Leslie Nielsen as a Sith.
Tell that to his role in Creepshow. That guy really knows how to act...
Extended Universe Palpatine makes me cry
Maybe Gravid should have just returned to the Light. Would destroyed the Sith plan as well as been able to practice true mastery of the Force by controlling his inner demons while also obviously using the Light Side.
I actually think Gravid saved the Galaxy with his actions, and while he is a disgrace of a Sith, I think his “fall” to the Light is honestly pretty tragic. He probably didn’t want to become a Sith but was forced into the role, and his study of the Light and Jedi began to make him question his own choices and the order he served. This revelation, along with his growing madness in trying to find a balance between both sides of the Force ultimately led to his downfall. He could’ve saved the Galaxy and saved billions and billions of lives had he managed to destroy the Sith in his mania, which obviously is a positive thing, but in the end, it was not to be. I kinda like his character, and being a Sith is honestly a terrible life, as you have to basically destroy everything you love in order to fully become a Sith Lord. In the end, all you have left as a Sith is yourself and a desire for power for power’s sake, but without anyone or anything to share that power with, which to me, is a pretty terrible existence.
Weakest Sith ever:
That Anikin guy. Stupid dude didn’t know about the high ground.
If we all share this video one time it’ll get out there boys
So the peak of light and dark side is to be completely emotionally immature. Lightside: repress all emotion. Darkside: only being angry. If i lived in that universe id want to be some peon just going about life. At least id be more balanced and emotionally well adjusted than either of them.
Technically speaking...there have been those who've been able to master all aspects of the Force.
And the Je'daii WERE successful in using both sides, and they only failed when some of their members began to focus on one side as opposed to both.
You say that like their attempted dabbling in the Dark Side wasn't what led to their fall.
@@stevenschnepp576 Their fall was caused by those being unable to maintain balance between the light and the dark. My point still stands
This guy was a chuck.
How do we know how much of this is true and how much was made up by Darth Gaen or later Sith, either as a warning against studying the Jedi ways and/or to cover up Darth Gaen’s own destruction of holocrons?
Like, maybe Darth Gravid never turned gray-instead, he was planning to use the essence transfer on Darth Gaen to buy himself more time for his studies, but she guessed his intentions and attacked first, only getting wounded after she had already wounded him more seriously. Then, after she killed him, she was so enraged by what he had attempted that she smashed that holocron in her anger along with a bunch of others before she could regain control of herself. Not wanting to be remembered as the one who destroyed all that knowledge, she made up the story that he went mad and tried to destroy his own collection, and that she was the one who stopped him. Then either she or later Sith wanted to tie his madness to his study of the Light Side since that was better for Sith propaganda, so they made up the story of him wanting to restart the Sith as a gray order.
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What always made me wonder about the sith/jedi duality is that theoretically speaking, as a force sensitive individual, you are most likely to throw in your lot with whoever finds you first, which kinda leaves a huge plothole or at least a badly designed plot element.
See, sith try to corrupt jedis constantly, but I don't know of any time where the jedi made an honest effort to try to turn a sith apprentice who was way too early in their training to be irreversible. Sith go for jedi apprentices very often. Why never the opposite? Rescue kids who don't know better.
If it's not a plothole, than it's a sign that in many ways, the jedi fear the sith a lot more than vice versa, even though it's not inconceivable that someone became a sith just because they never met a jedi beforehand.
If Darth Whoever picks you up because you are strong, spend a weekend with him but then you get rescued by a jedi, do they even attempt to turn you or they just consider you fubar because a sith touched you in your special places?
Legends did a lot to expand on this. It turns out that the Jedi and Sith originated from the same order of Force Sensitives and are the result of a schism when one part of the order wanted to study the Dark Side. The group that would eventually become the Jedi responded to the proposal/request to do so by trying to wipe the other out, which is why the Sith hate the Jedi. Beyond that, SWTOR shows that while Jedi "redeeming" Sith isn't nearly as common as the inverse, it *does* occasionally happen with one of the questlines including the option to redeem a Sith Lord. Inversely, the Sith storylines both include the option to corrupt multiple Jedi, but also show that the Jedi are openly hostile/antagonistic towards even light-aligned Sith who are willing to meet them peacefully and shun a Padawan that a Sith takes as an apprentice regardless of if said Sith is a noble individual that shows compassion and mercy or the "model" Sith. So, the TL;DR is that the Jedi are far less tolerant than it appears on the surface.
@@sentinel7672 Thanks for the info. I really didn't know most of these.
For a second, I even needed to think about what SWTOR stands for before I realized it's "The Old Republic", since I pretty much only played KOTOR, Jedi Knight, Republic Commando and Force Unleashed(massively underrated IMO)
...also Phantom Menace and Racer, but that's beside the point.
Big reason why I love Starkiller is because he has just about the most interesting path of any Jedi I can think of, having been brainwashed by Darth Vader to become a sith from childhood.
Another one I can think of is Darth Revan, who, canonically, does become good after having lost his memories of being evil.
You can make a pretty sound argument that it was nurture, rather than nature that made him evil and that he was fundamentally a good person.
Speaking of Knights of the Old Republic, it's interesting how long the galaxy was relatively stable and prosperous under sith rule, showing that ultimately, while their rulers may be yellow-eyed evilpeople, the average person under sith rule would still enjoy the benefits of technology and society, putting into question whether there's really a point in trying to violently upset the balance and overthrow the system based on nothing but vague morality.
I'm also inclined to believe that the Galactic Empire would have been a long term sustainable system if it weren't for the rebels.
Sure, the people of Alderaan got the short brown end of the stick, but all in all, the Empire had three decades of rule over the entire known galaxy.
The fact that it's never mentioned(at least in the movies) how much the living standards have degraded, puts the whole thing into a new context.
"We have to overthrow them because they are evil" is not an argument. It's wartime propaganda.
"We have to overthrow them because my grandpa had a house and a car and all I'm going to inherit from my parents is debt, both personal and national" sounds a lot better, innit?
@@evanharrison4054 It helps to keep in mind that the Dark Side is a psychological addiction. Once you start, it's *hard* to stop - and most Jedi don't have it in them to mind-wipe their captured opponents.
@@stevenschnepp576 Still, if I were a jedi, I'd make it my priority to try to rehabilitate these wayward people.
...just telling them that as opposed to force ghosts that powerful jedi can become after death, they just get swallowed up by a miasma of insanity.
That, or show them that even though sith rule has a record of ruling over some pretty stable eras, ultimately it's better if the jedi are in power.
Failing that, coming up with a way to lock them away where they can't do harm, like on some hard to access planet in the middle of nowhere.
It's a pretty hard implication that jedi have no contingency plans for like if they busted a sith training facility that housed maybe younglings who had a chance of being put back on the right track, or at least abandon the dark path.
Any jedi at any point can turn dark side and affect the lives of thousands in a negative way. There are tons of examples of it in the background lore.
The jedi, in turn, have nothing but their scorched earth policy. Kill anything darkside.
This is why Force Unleashed is, in my opinion, the most nuanced and compelling story inside the Star Wars Universe.
nah I’d say the middle ground is the way to go
The Jedi fell because they tried to cut off things like emotions, rather than teaching to control them
it’s like telling someone with mental
issues to just pretend they don’t exist, bottling everything up and burying them as deep as possible. Y’know? They should learn to cope and deal with everything inside them, rather than cutting themselves off so they can be seduced and explode later
You are confusing jedi philosophy with the nature of the light side, in simple terms the light side is about listening to the will of the force and not fighting it
See this is why I wouldn’t believe in the force if it was real. A never ending fight between the dark and the light? That’s just depressing.
I mean we as humans go to war over the dumbest of reasons and almost ended the planet like 3 times. Now that's depressing
I agree, if I was in Star Wars I would definitely want to destroy the will of the force, which I think would make me more like the Sith....
@@viperstriker4728 i mean thats basically what kreia wanted to do
Growing up before only a small few got to decide Star Wars Lore, I always figured someone could have enough understanding of the Living Force but equally how to manipulate it to one's will for practices some would deem unnatural with out being absolutely corrupted by the Dark Side. I refuse to believe the occasional Anomaly doesnt exist of a Force Wielder who could achieve feats known to only the most Legendary Sith but still walk in the Light. To close off the possibility is bad story telling. In Death old wounds no longer matter, good or bad one always becomes one with the Universe, one with the Force. In the end all things are reconciled in the Force unless the Wound is so deep it consumes the Living Force then well...
I have Spoken.
But what do I know I'm just a Vulcan born a Star Wars Fan 🖖
1:50: Saved? Tell that to coming Yuuzhan Vong.
I wanna learn about all the Sith. Idc which ones aslong as they are Sith.
Too be honest at the start I thought you were going to say KYLO REN was the weakest!! 🤣🥸👊
Fun fact: Gravid is also a Swedish word that means pregnant.
Ben Solo.
Oh wait you've said Sith...
Darth Helmet then.
Read the title: malak, it's gotta be malak.
The mantle of Darth wasn't earned. He just got it riding revans coattails
Malak wasnt that bad... if it wasnt for Revan he wouldve brought the Republic to its knees
OMG! Gravid is actually just an unmodified English word meaning "pregnant with eggs"; like if a frog has a bunch of eggs in its body, that frog is gravid. It's actually pronounced not like "grey-vid", but like "grah-vid", like it rhymes with "grab it".
Darth Sion: This new Sith is nothing but an actual real pain!
Exar Kun’s ghost after his return years later of return of the Jedi:
“ I see the standards of the Sith are none existent in this era!!”
Kallig II: ok it is time to call the Dashade...
I personally believe that Darth Gravid was the apprentice of Darth Vectivis. Vectivis died of natural causes, at an old age, surrounded by family and friends. He was an unusual Sith in that he was publicly known to be a fair businessman, honorable, and trustworthy. He focused most of his time in gathering and studying Sith lore for future generations. Personally I believe he became so powerful that his apprentice, Gravid, was unable to challenge Vectivis. And thus the title of Dark Lord passed down by default. Leaving Gravid with an imperfect perspective of Sith teachings.
I like that one, but think Gravid elected not to kill his master at all rather than being unable to.
@@stevenschnepp576 That would make sense. Given how corrupt and insane Gravid became.
So, Basically a more scholarly weak version of mace windu on the other side of the force coin.
Windu wouldn't be windu without a little dark side.
Not true! Typhone was where the Jedai studied both sides of the force, not just the Ashla, or the Bogen, but the Bedù. Also, not all Jedi fallow the will of the force but the will of the council or the Republic, it’s what led to there inedible end, order 66.
I still disagree that there isn't a balance to be found. The greatest power of our universe is emergence, the property that two things can combine to create something more powerful/complex than the sum of either of them apart. Windu was one who found such a balance and he was easily the second greatest duelist of his time
@Samuel Dimmock Living beings are full of darkness in their drive to survive and need to kill in order to do so. It is not selfish for a lion to kill its prey but it is dark and requires more destructive instincts. I think that is the true dark side and the source of the sith's power. I don't think they properly understand it though which is why they selfishly cling to that power instead of understanding and sharing it.
@Samuel Dimmock Well Lucas is a jedi propogandist sooooooo.... hahaha but really thanks for the talk man. I can agree to disagree on this point cause I still think that the darkness is more powerful than we give it credit for. Just look at non-sith darksiders like the magic of the night sisters, arguably the true power behind maul was the augmentations they gave him before he trained under sidious... not to mention the fact that his new legs functioned even better than his old ones
I like him and Darth Vectivus
Darth Gravid.
Darth Pregnant. Not even kidding. Look up "gravid"
Funny enough peer bans rule of 2 he would have been stronger than bane since banes powder would be mixed with his decadents later after they killed their this was notice by palpatine but as for the weakest with definitely Darth anddedu
The Weakest Sith is Edp445.
This video didn't age will (as far as darkside simply being a perversion) unless I misunstand malak as he is
In legends there people who found a middle ground when using light and Darkside, you just didn't talk about them.
No.
Darth Gravy
You're wrong about the force, before the Jedi there were the Je'di which practice both dark and light.
Too bad he couldn't control the balance. He would've been one of the most powerful force users ever.
Could you imagine if he had reached "become one with the Force"? The Ro2 and the jedi would´ve ended right there and only Light Sith would´ve been a thing
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me who plays kotor: Obivously Darth Bandon
Shots fired!
Boo! Jedi propaganda! JK, loved the video. I find some of the Jedi heretics really compelling (Grey Jedi). I like that with all the detail in the expanded universe, different fans can have favorite in-world views of how we think/wish the force would work.
To be fair nearly setting the sith grand plan back centuries and extending the republics gold age was pretty sweet for the people in the star wars universe.
If Mace Windu gets to be a gray Jedi why can't this guy be a grey Sith?
That's the neat part - he wasn't.
I again feel that this creator is a bit biased.. what about the Bendu? Or Darth Revan? Or even Luke in Legends? The ancient Jedai order didn’t fall because it was foolish to try and balance the force, but because certain members gave into the dark. It is completely possible to balance the usage of the dark side and the light, as long as you have enough fortitude. Also, Anakin would most likely have stated aligned with light, but still used the dark as was his inclination, if Qui-gon had trained him. He needed a father figure to teach him about balance and how to address emotions in a healthy way. Vaapad is a light side form that focuses on using the dark side, but letting it flow through with corrupting you. I’m just saying, it IS possible, but it’s definitely hard.
I think you need to have to take the extra step to switch your philosophy of force use on a whim, if you want to be a grey jedi. You can’t just use dark side then light side, you have to lock yourself into the mentality of using the force as a tool, then switch to the mentality of letting the force flow through you when you want to channel the light, otherwise your powers and mindset will clash. I also imagine it can be too impractical to try and teach that balance, as only a few people in modern Star Wars have truly used it without being consumed (Revan and Luke are the prime examples)
Can you do a playthrough of star war republic commando with commentary
In a way he is not wrong. The sith or dark side is self destructive
This isn’t the tale of Darthenshmirtz.
That double bladed lightsaber with red and green blades is dope tho, I think red and blue would be cooler and make more sense though. Red and Blue combined = purple which is known to be used by gray jedi, sith, or jedi who use a mix of both sides of the force