Bore Size has nothing to do with the professionalism of the instrument. There are small bore, medium bore, and large bore, and other bore sizes. In the US school system up until the middle 1970s used only two sizes, small bore horns without triggers, and the large bore bass trombones which was a 547. At about that time, college professors, almost all classically oriented people started pushing for larger and larger bore horns. And school band directors, trained at those colleges, followed them, so today we have the so-called 547 tenor trombone with a trigger. Very unfortunately, the very war-horses revered by these not-professional trombone playing band directors, for instance The Holst Suites, barely resemble the sound the composer intended, when played by the oh so typical, college band of today with nine 547, slide baritones w/triggers, and three 2&3 trigger slide F-tubas. Or so it seems to me, 64 years on trombone, 25 years in Army Bands. My 1st paid gig was on 2nd with Jack Green, on lead, Urbie’s brother, in1963. BTW: the Bach 16m is a .509 bore. Its most well know player is Bill Watrous. The Bach 16m Stradivarius is one of the most revered professional trombones ever created. However, I prefer my Bach Strad model 34 .522 bore to all others. It has no trigger. Doesn’t need one. But it does have a pure rich dark tone quality no trigger horn can match! Period! Full stop!
I play a small shank, and my king 3B is small too with trigger, also play baritone horn and American euphonium with same small shank, so I went big and go Eb tuba, depends the style of music
Hmmm, this is not entirely accurate, is it? There are large bore straight horns that take large shank mouthpieces and have large bells (King 4B, Bach 42, Conn 8H...) and small/medium bore horns with F-attachments and smaller bells (such as the King 3B-F...). A bit misleading.
I agree. However, it's true about the low F-C, etc. on the one hand. But on the other hand it depends on whether or not you play music that requires those notes. Additionally, according to Greg Luscombe, Jay Jay Johnson, Bill Watrous, Slide Hampton (who played a large bore, straight bone), Curtis Fuller, Carl Fontana, etc., and a local monster trombonist Reginald Cyntje (large bore, straight bone) never developed beyond the straight, beginner trombones.
@@uni-byte Why are you asking me this question? Did you read my response? Re-read it before you step towards me again. And I'll help you out first just incase you continue to have problems. I said in my initial quote, that Greg Luscombe, the author of this video seems to claim that only beginners play straight trombones and using his logic, Jay Jay Johnson, Bill Watrous, Curtis Fuller and etc. must be beginners. Now have a nice day.
@@Uptown59 Actually, the question was rhetorical. I was agreeing with you. Did you have a bad day today? I'll try to remember to never respond to you again. It seems to trigger you. BTW, no need to respond to my last question either, lest I step toward your lordship inappropriately. Begging your forgiveness sire.
@@uni-byte Actually, my first response was in agreement you! I believe what caused the misunderstanding was I didn't write "with you." Sorry for the harsh response. I couldn't tell that your question was rhetorical. Writing tones don't come across too well.
Very nice false tone low Eb!
Bradley Bunk yeah i would totally use that note.
Bore Size has nothing to do with the professionalism of the instrument. There are small bore, medium bore, and large bore, and other bore sizes. In the US school system up until the middle 1970s used only two sizes, small bore horns without triggers, and the large bore bass trombones which was a 547. At about that time, college professors, almost all classically oriented people started pushing for larger and larger bore horns. And school band directors, trained at those colleges, followed them, so today we have the so-called 547 tenor trombone with a trigger. Very unfortunately, the very war-horses revered by these not-professional trombone playing band directors, for instance The Holst Suites, barely resemble the sound the composer intended, when played by the oh so typical, college band of today with nine 547, slide baritones w/triggers, and three 2&3 trigger slide F-tubas. Or so it seems to me, 64 years on trombone, 25 years in Army Bands. My 1st paid gig was on 2nd with Jack Green, on lead, Urbie’s brother, in1963. BTW: the Bach 16m is a .509 bore. Its most well know player is Bill Watrous. The Bach 16m Stradivarius is one of the most revered professional trombones ever created. However, I prefer my Bach Strad model 34 .522 bore to all others. It has no trigger. Doesn’t need one. But it does have a pure rich dark tone quality no trigger horn can match! Period! Full stop!
Nice video! I already knew the differences but I just wanted to watch :P
I have that Etude book on my stand right now.
I play a small shank, and my king 3B is small too with trigger, also play baritone horn and American euphonium with same small shank, so I went big and go Eb tuba, depends the style of music
Hmmm, this is not entirely accurate, is it? There are large bore straight horns that take large shank mouthpieces and have large bells (King 4B, Bach 42, Conn 8H...) and small/medium bore horns with F-attachments and smaller bells (such as the King 3B-F...). A bit misleading.
I agree. However, it's true about the low F-C, etc. on the one hand. But on the other hand it depends on whether or not you play music that requires those notes. Additionally, according to Greg Luscombe, Jay Jay Johnson, Bill Watrous, Slide Hampton (who played a large bore, straight bone), Curtis Fuller, Carl Fontana, etc., and a local monster trombonist Reginald Cyntje (large bore, straight bone) never developed beyond the straight, beginner trombones.
@@Uptown59 Beginner trombones? When was a large-bore straight tenor ever considered a beginner trombone?
@@uni-byte Why are you asking me this question? Did you read my response? Re-read it before you step towards me again. And I'll help you out first just incase you continue to have problems. I said in my initial quote, that Greg Luscombe, the author of this video seems to claim that only beginners play straight trombones and using his logic, Jay Jay Johnson, Bill Watrous, Curtis Fuller and etc. must be beginners. Now have a nice day.
@@Uptown59 Actually, the question was rhetorical. I was agreeing with you. Did you have a bad day today? I'll try to remember to never respond to you again. It seems to trigger you. BTW, no need to respond to my last question either, lest I step toward your lordship inappropriately. Begging your forgiveness sire.
@@uni-byte Actually, my first response was in agreement you! I believe what caused the misunderstanding was I didn't write "with you." Sorry for the harsh response. I couldn't tell that your question was rhetorical. Writing tones don't come across too well.
Why does he lick the mouthpiece before playing each horn.
I sometimes do that...MY personal reason is just to comfort my embrouche or like a weird lubractive for it
So is the trigger you are referring to essentially the F attchment?
The trigger changes the airflow to the f attachment thus changing the key of the instrument
I wanna trigger trombone one day! :D :D :D :D My teacher actually recommend to me that I'd get one! XD
Get one, they're great! Just take care of it like it's your baby. They get really hard to move the slide if you leave it in its case all summer.
Get a Bach Stradivarius 42 open wrap they’re expensive lmao
Can a beginner start on an f attachment?
yes
but for obvious reasons it's not common for that to be the case
What was the straight tenor that he used in this video?