The $12,337.16 Bartók Glissando...

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  • Опубліковано 15 бер 2023
  • Have you ever felt the need to go out and secure a $12,000 instrument just to play two notes? Have you ever seen a trombonist tie a shoelace to his bone? Neither have I, but today we will be exploring the 4 methods involved in playing the infamous bass trombone solo in the fourth movement of Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra! Which one do you like best?
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  • @mayclarque4123
    @mayclarque4123 Рік тому +2817

    This story gets even more comical if you consider that the only reason the bass trombone evolved to even have a second valve was because Bartok wrote this glissando.

    • @mccabecompositions
      @mccabecompositions Рік тому +95

      Even the modern 2 valve Vass trombones can't play it smoothly without the tuning slide trick

    • @mayclarque4123
      @mayclarque4123 Рік тому +92

      @@mccabecompositions The plot thickens!
      Initially, two-valve bass trombones featured the F valve, and a dependent second valve in flat E. This extended the horn just enough to play the Bartok glissando, which is why this pitch was chosen.
      From there, a skilled player can theoretically execute a B to F gliss by releasing the valve during the gliss slowly to get the half valve smoothing gliss effect.
      This became less doable as the second valve evolved to be more useful as a whole, and B moved away from the very end of the slide.

    • @sinatrabone
      @sinatrabone Рік тому +3

      So would a dependent, double valve bass still be able to do this?

    • @mayclarque4123
      @mayclarque4123 Рік тому +21

      @@sinatrabone no, you’d need an older model where the second valve is in flat E for this trick
      Since its inception in the sixties, the second valve of the single rotor bass took on different tunings, like Eb, and D.

    • @MikehMike01
      @MikehMike01 Рік тому +7

      It’s even funnier because it’s just a loud fart sound 😂

  • @asa.pankeiki
    @asa.pankeiki Рік тому +969

    Bartok setting the trombone industry for life with just two notes (or one sliding tone, whichever way you slice it)

    • @HafJaf
      @HafJaf Рік тому +9

      An uncountable number of tones in a range

    • @Intestine_Ballin-ism
      @Intestine_Ballin-ism Рік тому +3

      "Or how I learned to stop caring and make millions off of trombones"

    • @kishascape
      @kishascape 11 місяців тому +1

      I don't wanna slice it I wanna slide it.

  • @pikafunguy7687
    @pikafunguy7687 Рік тому +348

    The ultimate way to show your big trombone $$$. Alsothe other day I hit my first double C and I'm very proud😊

    • @alexz_puma
      @alexz_puma Рік тому +1

      You’re getting there

    • @oskarboman9308
      @oskarboman9308 Рік тому

      Double C was upwards right? Not entierly familiar with english terms on that front. If so, i can only hit single(?) Eb on my Tuba, so wow

    • @shadowflarehd2376
      @shadowflarehd2376 Рік тому

      high or low?

    • @pikafunguy7687
      @pikafunguy7687 Рік тому

      @@shadowflarehd2376 high

    • @Crazyclay78YT
      @Crazyclay78YT Рік тому +2

      ive only had to go up to g (-2 position) in a song before, but one time i got high as fuck (on weed, not the note) and accidentally started hitting notes higher than my flute player friend could

  • @sinatrabone
    @sinatrabone Рік тому +228

    I saw Graeme Mutchler play this with the Utah symphony a few years ago. They rented that Bartok trombone for the weekend. They even had him bring it out and give the audience a demonstration on it before they started the piece (presumably to get a bit more value for their money! Haha).
    Graeme is an absolutely fantastic musician, btw. If you ever get the opportunity to hear him in recital, take it!

    • @kishascape
      @kishascape 11 місяців тому

      Hello, this costs $12k and only has one use near the end of the show. Enjoy the performance folks!

    • @adamgreenhaus4691
      @adamgreenhaus4691 2 місяці тому

      Interesting, because that tiny little clip of Mutchler at 1:00 is in the lobby of the Utah Symphony’s very own Abravanel Hall by coincidence.

  • @Crazyclay78YT
    @Crazyclay78YT Рік тому +508

    damn, i cant imagine having a tuning slide that moved that easily

    • @austintaylor1382
      @austintaylor1382 Рік тому +2

      Lol

    • @davidhensley76
      @davidhensley76 Рік тому +20

      I was thinking that, too. How much grease is on that thing?

    • @counterfit5
      @counterfit5 Рік тому +4

      Hetman Light Slide Gel is pretty easy to move

    • @Crazyclay78YT
      @Crazyclay78YT Рік тому +42

      @@counterfit5 no i know, i was making a joke about public school instruments lmao

    • @inmydreams25
      @inmydreams25 Рік тому +1

      if you have a good quality horn it'll move easily

  • @berko9608
    @berko9608 11 місяців тому +31

    Trombone is a magical instrument.
    When the air raid siren sounds, I tell my wife: our neighbor is teaching a trombone lesson. And my wife immediately calms down.
    Hi from Ukraine!

  • @trombonebestinstrument
    @trombonebestinstrument Рік тому +31

    1:16 THE CLASSIC "awh" HAHAHHAHAHAH

  • @ABruckner8
    @ABruckner8 Рік тому +115

    No lie, I played this piece in college, and used a Bass Sackbut! The hilarious part was how "fatter" the second trombonist sounded when he did his, lol.

  • @micahanderson8903
    @micahanderson8903 Рік тому +63

    Tubists are never busy anyway. So just getting them to do it is easier.

    • @AndreyRubtsovRU
      @AndreyRubtsovRU Рік тому +6

      Can they mop the floor as well? Looks like a slippery slope to me

    • @tracefuqua3651
      @tracefuqua3651 Рік тому +2

      Hey now we can be very busy depending on what piece we’re playing 😂

    • @AndreyRubtsovRU
      @AndreyRubtsovRU Рік тому

      @@tracefuqua3651 naaaah. Not in a symph orchestra
      PS okay okay, maybe if its a short one, like short ride in a fast machine but not core repertoire

    • @tracefuqua3651
      @tracefuqua3651 Рік тому

      @@AndreyRubtsovRU I agree in an orchestral setting not so much but my personal experience is outside of that realm. I can understand why the tuba doesn’t get as much respect as other instruments

    • @micahanderson8903
      @micahanderson8903 Рік тому +1

      @@tracefuqua3651 orchestra tubists though? Yeah, busy counting to four 600 times.

  • @instrumentalheadquarters7062
    @instrumentalheadquarters7062 Рік тому +35

    Doug Yeo actually was playing his custom Yamaha made F bass trombone in the video shown of him. Its the only one they ever made and they did it just for him to use for this.

  • @thisguy41487
    @thisguy41487 Рік тому +56

    Huh, my history was waaaay off on this. I thought Bartók originally wrote this as a tuba glissando, but no one could do it, so they invented a special bass trombone just to do it. I learned something new today!

  • @jebbishop3
    @jebbishop3 5 місяців тому +17

    Bartok wrote a two-note joke that literally changed trombone history

    • @jeffmousebeans5055
      @jeffmousebeans5055 4 місяці тому

      its hilarious cuz you can play it easily with a regular Bb/F Orchestral Tenor Trombone

    • @gunnarkilborn3915
      @gunnarkilborn3915 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@jeffmousebeans5055no you can't because you can't gliss that interval. It's not the notes individually that are the problem, it's the fact that the slide isn't long enough to play it normally.

    • @jeffmousebeans5055
      @jeffmousebeans5055 3 місяці тому

      @@gunnarkilborn3915 bro i have a Bb/F tenor trombone and i can do it easily. If you want i can make a video of me doing it

    • @jebbishop3
      @jebbishop3 2 місяці тому

      @@jeffmousebeans5055 "you can play it easily with a regular Bb/F Orchestral Tenor Trombone" -- this is incorrect

    • @jeffmousebeans5055
      @jeffmousebeans5055 2 місяці тому

      @@jebbishop3 it literally is. do you want me to post a video of me doing it? cuz i can, and its not hard at all

  • @noahbirdrevolution
    @noahbirdrevolution Рік тому +22

    Bartok is like, "I always find that trombone sound funny, so I'll put it here."

  • @jackkuni3137
    @jackkuni3137 Рік тому +76

    Wouldn't just using the f attachment also work since it makes the instrument be in the key of f?

    • @samuelzackrisson8865
      @samuelzackrisson8865 Рік тому +31

      the slide isn't long enough. when using the valve you only get about 6 positions

    • @jackkuni3137
      @jackkuni3137 Рік тому +3

      @@samuelzackrisson8865 Thats what I thought was the problem at first as well, but as far as I can tell and based on my own experiences it would still be a problem even if the instrument is in f directly, slide positions get weird playing that low even without using one of the triggers

    • @samuelzackrisson8865
      @samuelzackrisson8865 Рік тому +4

      @@jackkuni3137 I have a trombone with a trigger and i can tell it's impossible to play b natural on it. c is just about possible

    • @jeremyquiros5483
      @jeremyquiros5483 Рік тому +16

      @@jackkuni3137 The slide on the Bartok trombone is double-wrapped, making the slide positions 1/2 as long. And the slide on the bass sackbut has a handle to make 7th position possible.

    • @jackkuni3137
      @jackkuni3137 Рік тому +1

      @@jeremyquiros5483 Thanks for the explanation, I did not notice that part and that makes a lot more sense

  • @sprite9869
    @sprite9869 Рік тому +4

    More videos like this, love when u make longer videos like this😊

  • @MA-naconitor
    @MA-naconitor Рік тому +6

    Tuning slide assist is on my list of under-appreciated words

  • @kestrel4733
    @kestrel4733 Рік тому +5

    Love this content!

  • @hannespapenbrock
    @hannespapenbrock Рік тому +11

    Its so funny to see this Video, because we are playing and practicing this piece right now and our Trombonist is using method one. Our first rehearsal was very funny, because our Conductor, a trombonist himself, brings his Bass Trombone every time they played the piece and never saw that solution before😂

  • @Koolsib
    @Koolsib 4 місяці тому +2

    "Method three bring a bass sackbutt and let it rip."
    Got me☠️💀💀☠️

  • @noobifieduwu
    @noobifieduwu Рік тому +6

    Making things even crazier, this is a tritonal glissando!

  • @markaprelev
    @markaprelev 2 місяці тому +2

    for no reason, ive watched this video over 50 times

  • @fastweirdo
    @fastweirdo Рік тому +9

    Glad to know that Clarinets aren't the only section that classical orchestral composers hate.

  • @Nigelrathbone1
    @Nigelrathbone1 2 місяці тому +1

    Every orchestra needs to have a Bartok F bone in it's inventory for that one piece. Just like they own timpani and bass drums.

  • @idkthatxool749
    @idkthatxool749 Рік тому

    This is fascinating and hilarious, tysm

  • @lalruatsanga2806
    @lalruatsanga2806 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful

  • @TubaTones
    @TubaTones Рік тому +17

    Hi Timo, I’m a professional tubist. Can I make a sackbut suggestion? Don’t puff your cheeks, keep the corners firm. Low register will rip.

  • @Unprankable-sg5up
    @Unprankable-sg5up Рік тому

    I never knew this until today thanks!

  • @JohnWaldron-cm7ce
    @JohnWaldron-cm7ce 11 місяців тому

    Love the Sackbut sound! Very ethereal, in a T-bone way;)-John in Texas

  • @werdwerdus
    @werdwerdus Рік тому +2

    this is insane!

  • @Dyllon2012
    @Dyllon2012 Рік тому +4

    I think you can also fake a bit of it with your embouchure, but it won’t sound as good. I’ve used t this technique to play stuff that technically requires a trigger on trombones without a trigger. You can also play B naturals with a single trigger so it’s a useful technique to know even if you have a trigger.

  • @deanvanetek4148
    @deanvanetek4148 Рік тому +2

    is that winfred felton in the bassoon section? tell him dean from undergrad in denver says hey! sweet video, that tuning slide assist to get the Bb in 6th position was genius

  • @Blackhawk-yx6oo
    @Blackhawk-yx6oo Рік тому

    Hey Trombone Timo! Just curious on what model of trombone you use because I am interested in looking to buy one for myself. Do you know where I could go to find one? Thanks!

  • @pjpp007
    @pjpp007 Місяць тому +1

    Just for testing a theory I somehow managed that glissando using a cloned superbone. As valves 1&3 together is equivalent to an F-trigger, slide 6th position gives the "C". (7th being unavailable) So with all valves 123 and the 6th position I can reach the "B". I just gliss upwards while gradually releasing valve 2 to reach the "F". Not sure if this approach is acceptable to the trombone community though.

  • @jebbishop3
    @jebbishop3 4 місяці тому

    At Symphony Hall in Boston they have Kauko Kahila's two-valve bass trombone in a glass case with a printed version of the story about how this Bartók gliss led to its innovation / development.

  • @minglichong6876
    @minglichong6876 Рік тому +4

    You should play the trombone solo form GBA Riverside Park, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe please!

  • @cosmo3485
    @cosmo3485 7 місяців тому

    I've met Douglas Yeo before! He's the interim trombone professor at the University of Illinois right now, very friendly and nice.

  • @HeyImJerry
    @HeyImJerry 2 місяці тому

    I managed to squeak bass trombone notes out of a regular trombone with the F attachment by just using my bottom lip, it pissed off my music teacher that I could do it but it worked and thats how I was 3rd trombone for 6 years

  • @petju7
    @petju7 Рік тому +7

    Effectively a big middle finger to Shostakovich's Seventh

  • @lilmexican1526
    @lilmexican1526 Рік тому +3

    I just noticed that how the tubas mouthpiece at 0:28 looks clear or am I just seeing things

    • @Radeo
      @Radeo Рік тому

      Probably a Kelly 50.

  • @nicholasneyhart396
    @nicholasneyhart396 7 місяців тому +1

    Option 4 play on a euphonium and do a half valve fake glisando that sounds 80 percent as good at 1/6th the cost and 1/10th the effort.

  • @benpowell5348
    @benpowell5348 Рік тому +3

    how long of pvc would you have to put on your f attachment to do it I wonder... if you really wanted to do it that way

  • @MaritsaBul
    @MaritsaBul Рік тому

    going to get the big bucks (hopefully)

  • @ctd.
    @ctd. Рік тому +3

    Ok then, let's transpose the whole concerto xD

  • @SuperJox
    @SuperJox Рік тому +3

    In the Miraculous Mandarin there’s a section that has a bunch of these glosses but much quieter 😊

    • @benkopal
      @benkopal Рік тому

      also downward ones, which can't be played by the shoelace method.

  • @explosiveexploded
    @explosiveexploded 3 місяці тому

    genius

  • @johnpcomposer
    @johnpcomposer Рік тому +1

    Darn that Bartok!

  • @swooshstar1131
    @swooshstar1131 Рік тому +1

    I know the pedal b is unplayable on a b flat tuba. Is this the same reason for the bass trombone?

    • @seth094978
      @seth094978 Рік тому +1

      It's totally playable with a fifth valve, as many instruments today have, and also totally possible with a compensating valve set as the British use (though compensating valves tend to make instruments sound stuffy). It is also sometimes possible to use false tones on 3 and 4 valve instruments.
      A single valve bass trombone has the same problem, but slightly less severe. Trigger + 7th position is equivalent to 1-2-3-4 (with a tuning slide pulled) on tuba. This is why bass trombones have a 2nd trigger. This gliss is still not quite possible with that valve setup, though, because you'd need to instantly move the slide out like four positions when disengaging the Gb valve, since that valve needs to be engaged tor B and disengaged for F.

  • @DrDarkMatter
    @DrDarkMatter Рік тому

    Your like the only youtuber who owns a Bass Sackbut.

  • @turningears
    @turningears Рік тому +2

    at 1:11 you can hear a minecraft zombie groan

  • @palibakufun
    @palibakufun Рік тому +2

    "The 12,337.16 trombone!"
    Tubas, percussion, flutes, string players, etc.: "That's a steal!"
    I do really appreciate that the reasonable top end for (tenor) trombones tops out around 6 grand.

    • @q12aw50
      @q12aw50 Рік тому

      Flutes? Those are cheap AF!

    • @palibakufun
      @palibakufun Рік тому +1

      @@q12aw50 You'd think so, and some of them can be, but the really high end stuff is stupid expensive, because they're literally made out of stuff like Silver, or Gold.

  • @Whoistocome
    @Whoistocome Рік тому

    Cool

  • @badatchess6350
    @badatchess6350 Рік тому +3

    0:24 Taco Bell sound

  • @angelcerda1222
    @angelcerda1222 Рік тому

    Does anyone know what the full song is called?

  • @BigBen2454
    @BigBen2454 Рік тому

    What is the name of the piece? What should I type in to listen to it?

  • @russellkillick7330
    @russellkillick7330 6 місяців тому

    A Bb/F & E bass trombone can do it. I had an Elkhart 62h in this configuration, no problem

  • @austinpfoster
    @austinpfoster Рік тому

    I like the bass sackbut method.

  • @jacoblane8778
    @jacoblane8778 Рік тому

    I am currently play trombone in school I has a quest for you have you ever played with Karl Jackson

  • @nokiapoptart
    @nokiapoptart Рік тому +1

    im starting band soon and playing the trombone do yall got any tips

  • @senior4790
    @senior4790 Рік тому

    Can’t you used both the F attachment and the Gb attachment to make that glissando?

    • @karlwiggisser2238
      @karlwiggisser2238 Рік тому +1

      No, because if you use both triggers, the low B would be on somewhere around the 5th position, so you can't do a glissando over 6 semitones ...

  • @BreathOfTheWeath
    @BreathOfTheWeath 4 місяці тому

    WIth the assist finally the tuba players will have something to do during rests

  • @jasonwhitaker2726
    @jasonwhitaker2726 7 місяців тому

    am I the only one mesmerized by the "value" of instruments in the frame while pondering the choice of a Clear Kellyberg tuba mouthpiece? LOL ( nothing against them, I use one for a teaching tool, but.....)

  • @FAAoff
    @FAAoff Рік тому

    Musicians: Write something I could play
    Composers: hahahahaha, NO.....

  • @aloysiuskurnia7643
    @aloysiuskurnia7643 Рік тому

    That "augh this is terrible" made me chuckle, even if I don't know how horrible it is because I never played brass lmao

    • @q12aw50
      @q12aw50 Рік тому +1

      It sounds awful

    • @aloysiuskurnia7643
      @aloysiuskurnia7643 Рік тому

      @@q12aw50 Oh so that's why; I first thought it's the mouth feel that is awful instead lmao

    • @NotFine
      @NotFine 11 місяців тому

      @@aloysiuskurnia7643 it probably is too lol

  • @nab_teevee
    @nab_teevee 5 місяців тому

    I played this on a regular f attachment what is the problem

  • @Misterslidedropper
    @Misterslidedropper Рік тому +3

    Jazz gang says: ever heard of fake notes? We get to play a low D of C without valve if you practice enough xD

  • @mmmmigs
    @mmmmigs Рік тому

    is this in Trombone Hero?

  • @johnsimpsen5
    @johnsimpsen5 Рік тому

    When you have big trombone $$$

  • @zebesomega9837
    @zebesomega9837 Рік тому

    Why do i have spongebob in my head xD

  • @ericmyrs
    @ericmyrs Рік тому +1

    Reject bartok trombones.
    Embrace sackbut.

  • @SP-ny1fk
    @SP-ny1fk Рік тому

    You could record the note and then play it back yay

  • @ericplayz8132
    @ericplayz8132 Рік тому

    i can actually do this bartok solo with the need of having a bass trombone and 3 hands on my straight tenor trombone

  • @jasonchuayap
    @jasonchuayap Рік тому

    SACKBUT FTW!!!!!!!

  • @connoringham7250
    @connoringham7250 Рік тому +2

    Murph!

  • @slammin_sosa2729
    @slammin_sosa2729 Рік тому

    so we not gonna talk about the composers posture lol

  • @yacine-Aloun
    @yacine-Aloun Рік тому

    Hi bro. Can u play tarantella (Gioachino rossini) please ?

  • @zeinabsheikh9225
    @zeinabsheikh9225 Рік тому

    Hey in numb chuks o evil tree o evil tree there’s a Seneca where the chuks fungus playing the cilenders and Dillard playing the trumpet plz go check if is not Andrew crowtly

  • @hansmartin828
    @hansmartin828 Рік тому +3

    When a young composer writes such a clumsy thing, he is despised. When an established composer does the same thing, everyone thinks it is brilliant...

    • @q12aw50
      @q12aw50 Рік тому

      Wtf are you smoking that has nothing to do with the video

  • @TTV_Drift
    @TTV_Drift Рік тому

    I have a song u can do on trombone the song called Black blues

  • @real_vice3334
    @real_vice3334 Рік тому

    Is this harder than the whole Rach 3?

  • @tiosam99
    @tiosam99 3 місяці тому

    mclovin is playing trombone, omg, superbad is real

  • @T_modell_977
    @T_modell_977 Рік тому

    Hungary magyar vagyok ismerem Bartók Bélát

  • @saidoof9369
    @saidoof9369 4 місяці тому +1

    1:30 isn’t that an F bass trombone

  • @JxH
    @JxH Рік тому +2

    The little-known rarely-used original lyrics immediately after that brief trombone solo are, "Elnézést a fingásért !!"

  • @zijeisdezon
    @zijeisdezon Рік тому +1

    All that hassle and I could've farted that note in F if you had given me $12,34🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @iTz_Thiago_Fx
    @iTz_Thiago_Fx Рік тому

    Hello :D

  • @esah9182
    @esah9182 Рік тому +1

    The easiest and the most cost effective way is to cheat by starting the glissando a semitone higher. Very few people will notice, including some conductors.

  • @EggRaider4664
    @EggRaider4664 7 місяців тому

    I have a simple single rotary trombone. I bet you i could play that easy

  • @danstevens4249
    @danstevens4249 3 місяці тому

    Or spend a couple hundred having a tech make a long slide for you- senior tech and bass bone player here. It’s really not that hard

  • @Samtrien
    @Samtrien 23 дні тому

    method 3>>>

  • @dez3540
    @dez3540 Рік тому

    On the thumbnail, he kinda looks like Rodri from Manchester City lol

  • @feralb415
    @feralb415 2 місяці тому

    Do you also hear the minecraft zombie sound??? 1:11

  • @cameronmilligan
    @cameronmilligan Рік тому

    The F bass sack butt has to be the most flatulent instrument name in history

  • @cindyandben3116
    @cindyandben3116 Місяць тому

    1:12 bring a bass saxBUT and LET IT RIP key word RIP 💀💀💀

  • @Lord.Kiltridge
    @Lord.Kiltridge Рік тому

    Is it really _just_ two notes tho? Is a CVT just two gears? I'ma callin' science on that.

  • @markpmar0356
    @markpmar0356 Рік тому

    Who said Bartok didn't have a sense of humor?

  • @michaelblaney4461
    @michaelblaney4461 Рік тому +1

    Sounds like Rich People problems , to me 😮

    • @q12aw50
      @q12aw50 Рік тому +1

      Sounds like you just suck at music

  • @Felix-nh5pw
    @Felix-nh5pw Рік тому

    Hilarious.

  • @illegaloli
    @illegaloli 4 місяці тому

    It's expensive to be trombonist. 😮

    • @jebbishop3
      @jebbishop3 4 місяці тому +1

      It's actually very inexpensive compared to every other orchestral instrument.

  • @ottavva
    @ottavva Рік тому

    to tape an elephant fart is cheaper

  • @Zordiak
    @Zordiak Рік тому

    Sounds like a design flaw to me