@@colin_priest REFUTING TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS' DECEPTIVE ARGUMENTS Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"TRINITARIANS CLAIM THAT THOMAS BELIEVED JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE CALLED JESUS HIS GOD. RESPONSE: Scriptures prove that the use of the word GOD is not limited to "GOD THE FATHER" EXAMPLES: 2Co 4:4 In whom the God [theos] of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God [theos], should shine unto them. Both Gods in 2 Cor 4:4 means the same but we know that one is the devil. G2316 θεός theos theh'-os Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward]. Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God [eloheem] standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the Gods [eloheem]. Exo_7:1 And YHVH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God [eloheem] to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS ALSO CLAIM THAT AFTER THOMAS EXCLAIMED "MY LORD , MY GOD"...THAT JESUS AGREED WITH THOMAS ...THAT THOMAS WAS RIGHT TO BELIEVE HE IS GOD. BUT HERE IS THE TRUTH: Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Jesus told Thomas he has believed....BELIEVED WHAT? THAT HE IS GOD? NO! THOMAS BELIEVED THAT HE IS RISEN and alive...that is why he let Thomas insert his finger on him. BECAUSE IF YOU WILL READ IN THE PREVIOUS VERSES BEFORE JOHN 20:29... THE FIRST TIME Jesus appeared to the disciples Thomas was not with them. Joh 20:24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. Joh 20:25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "UNLESS I SEE IN HIS HANDS THE MARK OF THE NAILS AND PLACE MY FINGER INTO THE MARK OF THE NAILS, and place my hand into his side, I WILL NEVER BELIEVE.."
Did you hear what he said? The father is God, the son is god and also the holy spirit is god. But they are not three gods but one God. Does that make sense? you can never make 3 into 1. No matter whichever side you count it from, it will remain 3.
They say it’s only one God, but yet at the same time they say, Jesus is sitting on the right hand of the father literally???? They don’t understand. The right hand is symbolic for empower and authority not literally on the right hand because God is everywhere. He does not have hands and you can’t get on the righthand of something that fills ALL space.
@@ashley_brown6106 You are just one person made in the image of God and God is just one person in Christ Jesus. The Father made Jesus Christ to be our God all things were made by Jesus Christ and for Jesus Christ.
There is no explaining the trinity from scripture. It's a man-made doctrine. Since you brought up John 1:1-3 I will provide my Biblical exegesis in it beginning with verse 1 as follows: John 1:1 a. In the beginning was the word (ho logos), b. and the word (ho logos) was integral to God (ton theon), c. and divine (theos) was the word (ho logos). Or: "and the word (ho logos) was divine (theos)." Or: "and what God (theos) was, the word (ho logos) was." James Moffatt, former professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Mansfield College in Oxford, England, and author of the well-known Moffatt Bible, agrees. He translated John 1:1c as, “the logos was divine.” In 1:1b, Ton Theon with the definite article is properly translated to English as "the God" with an uppercase "G" to signify it is referring to YHWH the only true God. Translators remove the definite article and use uppercase "G" to make God a proper noun referring to YHWH, the only true God (John 17:3). In 1:1c, Theos without the definite article is normally translated as god with a lowercase "g" and is sometimes translated as "divine." The divine translation more accurately applies here since there is no other deity mentioned. In John 1:1 all three instances of "ho logos" do not refer to another person or lessor god. The word is YHWH's word, and more specifically the writer is referring to none other than the GOSPEL which was in YHWH's forethought from eternity. The use of theos without the definite article, sandwiched between "ton theon" and "ho logos," indicates "theos" is being used as a predicate adjective to describe the spirit nature and qualities of YHWH and His word as being the same spirit, life, light, eternal, holy, and divine Logos. Both YHWH and His Logos are DIVINE. "Ho Logos" is an attribute and possession of YHWH, not a person, not a lessor god, and not Jesus. There is no Biblical basis for concluding that the second use of theos (without the definite article) is referring to a second person whose name is the word. The Author does not write: In the beginning was Jesus. No other deity besides YHWH is mentioned in John 's Gospel. Jesus never refers to himself as "ho logos" and neither do the Apostles. Quote: "The second use of theos in John 1:1c serves as a predicate adjective rather than as a predicate noun." [citation: Maximillian Zerwick, Biblical Greek, Rome: Scripta Ponificii Instituti Biblici, 1963, p. 55, par. 171; p. 57, par. 176. Regarding John 1:1b "pros ton theon" It is incorrect to insist that "pros" points to another person (Jesus) as having an eternal preexistent relationship with YHWH. What John is telling us is exactly what the Bible teaches: the Gospel is of the same eternal and divine spirit nature as what YHWH is. There is an eternal relationship between YHWH and His word without the word being the person of Jesus. According to Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon the preposition pros with the accusative, as in John 1:1, 2, is a marker of movement or orientation toward someone or something. The context determines if it is a person or a something. Pros can mean a number of things such as, according to Bauer's: toward, towards, to, near, at, during, aiming at, striving toward, against, for, to indicate a connection by marking a point of reference, with reference to/regard to (about, because of, with respect to, which concerns, which belongs to, what makes for, in accordance with, in order to, for the purpose of),in adverbial expressions (“tends toward” Jas. 5:4) by, at, near. Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon adds the definition “pertaining to.” Also, various translations render pros with the accusative as: Concerning, as respects, pertaining to, of, even to. Furthermore, the Greek word generally rendered as ‘with’ is para and not pros. The assumption that "pros" means there is another person "with" God in John 1:1 can only be due to TRADITION. The mystics, Gnostics, and Philosophers like Philo infected the early church with a lessor god and /or logos theory that conflicts with the Bible. People who insist on this interpretation overlook the Biblical evidence that "pros" can also be translated as "with" when referring to a something, rather than a someone. (Examples below). NOTE: The LXX renders pros ton theon as “to God.” Eighteen other occurrences of pros ton theon in the New Testament Scriptures are translated as: “to God,” “toward God,” “related to God” or “pertaining to God.” For example, many translations render the phrase pros ton theon in Hebrews 5:2 as: “pertaining to God...” (NASB); “in relation to God...” (ESV); “related to God...” (NIV). Similarly, in Hebrews 2:17 and Romans 15:17. The same or similar phrases are used in a number of other texts. Bauer’s choice of phrase for Romans 15:17 is “that which concerns God” in its rendering of "ta pros ton theon." Regardless, there is Biblical evidence that "pros" can be translated as "with" when referring to a something integral to God such as his spirit, nature, attributes, word, wisdom, power, love, etc.. However, in my opinion: "integral to God" is more accurate. Truly God's word is an integral part of who God is (the self revealing one). Job 10:12-16 informs us that God’s attributes such as life, love, wisdom, power are with Him. Isa 40.10; 62.11 states “His reward is with Him.” 2 Kings 3:12 states “The word of the Lord is with him.” In John 1:1 the Greek phrase "pros ton theon" refers to things and not a person. Other examples make this point clear. We have:
“things with God” (Heb 2:17; 5:1; Rom 17:15) “conscience with God” (Acts 24:16) “confidence with God” (2 Cor 3:4; 1 John 3:21) “peace with God” (Rom 5:1) “Faith with God.” (1 Thessalonians 1:8) Jesus cannot be read into the text of John 1:1 as being YHWH or the word because YHWH and His word are not begotten or born. Jesus was begotten and born. John 6:63 states God's word is spirit, meaning: of the same divine eternal spirit nature as YAHWEH. God is a spirit. (John 4:24) God's word is spirit. (John 6:63) God's word does not become flesh. (John 3:6) God's word is placed INTO Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18. Jesus, the Son of God, is not the "word" (logos) of John 1:1. Rather, Jesus spoke his Father's logos....the very words he said belonged to his FATHER. (John 7:15-17; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24). The belief that the word of God became the flesh of Jesus conflicts with the Bible which teaches us that the word of God came THROUGH Jesus to humanity to dwell in our hearts and minds and transform us. The Logos of God was placed into Jesus by God. Deuteronomy 18:18; Acts 3:22
Trinity makes little sense(God = God, Jesus = God, Holy Spirit = God) and this idea in fact makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, because people worship God but also Jesus plus not only this. Christians also worship 100s of different saints. Nobody really worships the holy spirit but for some reason, it's there. Many brilliant people in history, such as Isaac Newton, knew that the Trinity was, in fact, a heresy-a heresy against the First Commandment. Because the first commandment is super clear about this. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" By this logic - Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Maria plus all other saints are idols.
@@johannmeiring4208 Daniel saw God's glorious body in, Dan 10:5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: Dan 10:6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. The voice of a multitude tells us that those who have received the Holy Ghost speaking in an unknown tongue are added to the body of Christ as a habitation of the Spirit of Almighty God, being millions in number. Christ was the firstborn from the dead. Paul says this in, 1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. As the natural body is made up of trillions of cells so the Glorious body of God will be made up of trillions of people. John saw God in His body in the book of Revelation first chapter.
The real reason why the doctrine of the Trinity can't be defended is because it doesn't exist. How can you defend something GOD NEVER SAID NOR TAUGHT. There are a plethora of scriptures that GOD HIMSELF said that disputes the Trinity. So, who are we to believe, GOD and HIS WORD or man's misconception of the nature of GOD, that they deem the Trinity. There is NO TRINITY. Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD THAT MAKETH ALL THINGS; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the EARTH BY MYSELF; Deuteronomy 32:12 So the LORD ALONE did lead him, and there was NO STRANGE GOD WITH HIM. Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD HE IS GOD; THERE IS NONE ELSE BESIDE HIM. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, AND I AM THE LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD. Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. IS THERE A GOD BESIDE ME? YEA, THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT ANY. Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and THERE IS NONE ELSE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and THERE IS NO GOD ELSE BESIDE ME; A JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME. Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy GOD from the land of Egypt, and THOU SHALT KNOW NO GOD BUT ME: FOR THERE IS NO SAVIOUR BESIDE ME. Romans 3:29-30 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: SEEING IT IS ONE GOD, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. So, where is this so-called coexistence, being that the LORD has said over and over that it's just HIM and nobody else. Titles are not persons or entities. They all ascribe to the ONE SELFSAME GOD, JESUS CHRIST. Isaiah 9:6 FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY. Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of THE MYSTERY OF GOD, AND OF THE FATHER, AND OF CHRIST; Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, THE MYSTERY OF GOD should be FINISHED, AS HE HATH DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS. The MYSTERY OF GOD is NOT the TRINITY. THE MYSTERY OF GOD is that JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. That is what you should be defending because that is what's written. Not a concept concocted by the Devil himself. 1 John 5:20-21 And we know that THE SON OF GOD IS COME, and hath GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, that we may KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, and WE ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE, EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE. Little children, KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS. Amen. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION but Satan is. It's the same old trick he pulled on Eve in the Garden. GOD says of HIMSELF, BY COMMANDMENT, HE IS ONE. The Devil says, HE IS NOT SURELY ONE, HE'S THREE. Mark 12:29-31 And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: THIS IS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. THERE IS NONE OTHER COMMANDMENT GREATER THAN THESE. Revelation 16:13-14 And I saw THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE BEAST, AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE FALSE PROPHET. For they are THE SPIRITS OF DEVILS, WORKING MIRACLES, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that GREAT DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY. The TRINITY is AN IDOL, just like the molten calf Aaron made for the children of Israel, which caused them to SIN AGAINST GOD. We don't worship IDOLS nor defend them.
How many people are in a marraige? All mono theistic people got it wrong... They say two... Actually it is 2 persons, but one flesh.. Same with God Matthew 19:6 NKJV [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” So please stop your nonsense..... Anyone who defiles God’s word is from the devil. Over 7000 times is reference made to God the Father and the Son. No one has ever seen the Father except the Son who is sitting on the right hand of the Father. The Helper, the Holy Spirit, is in all believers hearts and is guiding us. II Peter 1:20-21 NKJV [20] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, [21] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. THE TRINITY OF GOD: (No one has seen God the Father according to Scripture) I John 4:9-13 NKJV [9] In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world (if God is one then who did He send?), that we might live through Him (Jesus). [10] In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. [11] Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [12] NO ONE HAS SEEN God AT ANY TIME. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. [13] By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit (take note). bible.com/bible/114/1jn.4.9-13.NKJV
@@samuelswanepoel7926Trinity lol sure . One God one Messiah. No third person as spirit . One God. One Messiah. Not two in one three in one . Just one God. One Messiah
@@lisachambers3683 Trinity isn’t in the Bible because it is a term to describe what is in the Bible. It’s like omniscient or omnipresent. As for deity, here you go: “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,” Colossians 2:8-9 ESV
Kinda weird that Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost, and Paul who wrote half the New Testament. Not one time ever did any of them ever say Jesus was God. Be honest isn’t that odd? Hmmmm.
Paul did say that twisted teachings would come in carrying a Christian label after the first Century. Acts 20:30. The Trinity would fit that description because people are still trying to figure it out.
Joseph Durraz He's talking about agency. When prophets spoke the words given them by Yahweh, they spoke with the authority of Yahweh himself. "The word WAS God." The word of God is the authority of God. The person speaking it is not Yahweh, is not God himself. He is the authorized agent to bring God's authoritative word. If Jesus sends others to speak the same words of God, they are likewise agents of God's authority. If a person rejects God's words, they reject God himself, for "the word WAS God." Is God. No, he is not trying to prove trinity.
@@hellisalie1138, Oh I see... but the topic is about Trinity, and I cannot figure out what he is trying to prove... So I thought he was trying to prove that the Trinity exists.... Why do you say hell is a lie? Please tell me what do you believe... Thanks....
Joseph Durraz Hi friend, thanks for the question. Usually people just jump to the part where they tell me i'm going to hell for not believing eternal torment is real, haha! It's difficult to encapsulate the deconstruction of 1,600 years of tradition in a tidy paragraph or two, but i'll do my best. The first problem is what it says about the Most High God. The whole counsel of scripture gives an understanding of God as being the pinnacle of wisdom, of justice, of mercy, of long-suffering, and of lovingkindness. Is an eternal existence in fire a just penalty for human sin? For even the worst, most wicked human who ever lived? The same God whose law to Moses required strict adherence to just punishmnents to be exacted on lawbreakers among the Hebrews? "An eye for an eye" is a fair punishment, it is equal to the offense. Does God require of man that he be more just than himself? Never, because clearly man can do nothing better than the Almighty, who formed him out of the dust. Eternal torment is so far outside of the realm of fair justice as to be utterly ridiculous, and a great offense to the God of true Justice. Such cruelty is literally unfathomable, and maligns the nature of Yahweh as revealed to us to a shameful and repugnant degree. The foundation for the structure of the doctrine of eternal torment was the introduction of the belief in the inherent immortality of the soul, which is not taught in scripture. It entered early doctrine through the surrounding Greek culture, and the Grrek education that scholars received in the lands conquered by Alexander. Greece was imported to all of their annexed nations. It is for this reason that the original New Testament manuscripts are all written in Greek. Educated converts to Christianity, in the esrly centuries after Jesus's day, were well-versed in the Greek classics and great philosophers. Their writings reveal the deepest respect and admiration for Plato, in particular. These intellectual converts took elements of Platonic ideas and wove them into their understanding of scripture. For instance, Plato was a trinitarian. Plato was also an avid proponent and apologist for the belief in the immortality of the soul, which he taught would live on forever after the body died. This synthesis of Greek philosophy with Christian belief was not uncommon among the early "church" developers of more sophisticated (complicated) doctrines, because they disdained the simple faith of the uneducated masses that comprised most of the early "church." This is how the belief in the immortality of the soul found its way into the belief structure of what would become the Roman Catholic church. If everyone accepts this belief, then it isn't hard to see how punishment for the unbeliever, at the Judgment, would necessarily have to be endless, if the soul cannot die. The misleading interpretations of the Greek words "aion, aionios, and aionion" as "eternity, eternal, everlasting," etc., only add to the confusion. "Aion" meams "age," not eternity. "Aionion" means "of an age," meaning some quality or chacteristic or event OF a paricular age (aion). These words do not translate as "forever." John 3:16 says that "whosoever believeth on him should not PERISH, but have aionion life," or life in the age to come, as opposed to death in that age, which will be final. Death will be total and irrevocable (the "second death"), and as such, you could say that it will last forever, or be "eternal." People will say, "Well what about THIS verse? Or THAT verse? Smoke of their torment rising forever? Worm dieth not?" and so on. It is a huge knot to unravel, verse by verse, and this is already very long. I recommend searching youtubes on the subject, about why eternal torment is not scriptural, and can be refuted verse by verse. Many MANY Christians are coming to this understanding. Preachers and orthodox apologists will start out by saying "Cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe this heresy that there is no eternal torment," which instantly poisons the well and discourages any believer from even researching the origins of the doctrine of hell. But i am just a simple Bible-believing follower of Jesus, and servant of the Most High God. And truth is truth, regardless of who does or does not believe it. I'm sorry this is so long! There is no short answer, and i have only scratched the surface of this deeply-embedded tradition of man. May the Living God bless you on your path, in Yeshua!
No, YOU are not "right about the Trinity". The "problem" is this, that is, that the "Trinity" is not a Biblical doctrine. A doctrine is a TEACHING. Who in Scripture TEACHES the so called "Trinity"? Answer: No one does. Why doesn't anyone in Scripture TEACH the "Trinity"? Answer: No one in Scripture TEACHES the "Trinity" because IT is a CREED and not a Biblical doctrine or TEACHING. Anyone can know what the "Trinity" is supposed to be. The best example is the Athanasian Creed. If anyone reads that Creed, he will KNOW exactly what the "Trinity" is purported to be. It is the definitive explanation of the "Trinity". It is not a mystery of any sort. The "problem", again, is that IT is a CREED which came AFTER the Roman Empire Counsel of Nicea in 325 A.D., and AFTER the Counsel of Chalcedon in 381 A.D., when Roman Catholic "Bishops" got together to FORMULATE that Church, not Bible, doctrine. If the TEACHING of the "Trinity" can be found TAUGHT by anyone in Scripture, then it should be quite simple for anyone to READ it for himself. Why would any Christian need an Apologist like Mike, or some Bible Scholar, or a Pastor Teacher to EXPLAIN what the "Trinity" is if it is WRITTEN and TAUGHT in Scripture? Well, they do it because it ain't WRITTEN nor TAUGHT in Scripture. What happened to "Sola Scriptura"? Creeds are not "Sola Scriptura", i.e., under the Authority of Scripture. This particular "Trinity" CREED belongs to the Authority of the 4th and 5th Century Greco Roman Pagan Catholic Church. The RCC gave BIRTH to that "three headed baby". Mike can go on and on and on, ad infinitum, teaching what he and others believe to be "proof texts" for the "Trinity", but when we come down to "brass tacks" there is no TEACHING about a "triune god" in Scripture. Yahweh God is ONE God, ONE Being, ONE Person, which is clearly TAUGHT and WRITTEN by Men of God. He is a SINGULAR Being who addresses Himself to others in the Singular and never in the Plural. Anyone can READ for himself that Yahweh God is described as ONE and ONLY ONE Person. Jesus said that Yahweh God, his Father, is the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD", and God says, "There is NO OTHER beside Me". Are we going to believe CREEDS and what modern Apologists have to say about them or are we going to believe what Authors have WRITTEN and which anyone can access in the Scriptures. I can READ yet I have never READ anything in Scripture which TEACHES that God is a "triune being".
Great explanation. Thank you Mike for taking the time to put this sermon together to help us understand who God is. I love the little jokes, and your humor. God bless you.
@@emchristian4793 You're absolutely correct - the trinity is from the devil - his signature is written all over it: chaos, confusion, insanity, blasphemy...
He has to twist himself into a Pretzel trying to explain such a simple teaching. It would be so clear if you used God’s name for God and Jesus’ name for Jesus. There is no third person.
I've often wondered why Christians continue to defend this doctrine. It's clearly not Biblical or logical. The amount of Scripture one must dismiss to hold this doctrine is amazing. Not only is it necessary to dismiss Scripture, but one must also reject logic and reason. In defending this doctrine, one actually relinquishes their authority to defend Scripture. If we claim this doctrine is simply beyond our ability to understand, we allow others to make the same claim about any absurdity they'd like. Someone can make any absurd claim about God and then say it's beyond our ability to understand. Thus, the Trinitarian is left with no recourse unless he relinquishes his doctrine.
You said it - once you allow absurdities to enter your doctrine, there's no more parameters between discerning orthodoxy and heterodoxy. All hermeneutics are dismissed along with logic, rationale and wisdom - the devil's heyday. What's worse, they ascribe these idiocies to God - since God, according to them, is beyond our comprehension (He's not - the attributes: no, the magnitude: yes)), we can make up any nonsense that we like and claim it to be from God - they're piling up their sins
I totally agree. You may really enjoy this UA-cam Channel "Unitarian Anabaptist". He interviews this author who discusses the Birth Narratives from a Jewish point of view, where she interprets Jesus' birth narratives to be saying Jesus was the natural son of Joseph. If you like a good mind-bender, the two videos with the yellow room background on the Birth Narratives are a real treasure. The sound quality isn't good, but the content is a keeper.
Extremely insightful and well said - comprehensively speaking, the trinitarians have absolutely no leg to stand on. It's entirely insane how a grown man, let alone a Biblical scholar who has investigated the controversy, cannot reject the doctrine wholesale. It is the worst and most blasphemous doctrine in all of Christendom - straight from the pits of hell.
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” John 14:26 KJV
1 Corinthians 2 : 10 - 16 But God revealed it through his Spirit, for the Spirit explores all things, even the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of man unless the spirit of man which is in him? So no one ever knew the things of God except the Spirit of God. It is not the spirit of the world that we have received, but the Spirit which comes from God, so that we may know the things given to us by the grace of God. The things we speak we do not speak in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things to spiritual people. A man who has no life but physical life cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. To him they are foolishness and he cannot understand them, because it takes the Spirit to discern them. But a spiritual man exercises his judgment on the value of all things, but he himself is under no man’s judgment. For who ever understood the mind of the Lord so as to be able to instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.
@@denissutherland3653 AMEN! WHERE IS THE NAME OF JESUS! THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES TO WHICH EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW INHEAVEN ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH YES IT'S MISSING. IF YOU DON'T GET THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM. Revelation 5:8-14 New King James Version Worthy Is the Lamb 8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made [a]us kings[b] and priests to our God; And [c]we shall reign on the earth.” 11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and [d]ever!” 14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the [e]twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped [f]Him who lives forever and ever.
HOW SIGNIFICANT CAN “GOD IS THREE BUT ONE”? THE TRINITY as defined: Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one: their glory equal, their majesty co-eternal and almighty. God is three in one.-Athanasian Creed 5th Century CE Firstly, YOU as an ordinary layman, do you personally agree? Most Christian strongly believe this without any knowledge of its origins. However, early Bible believers would quote Mark 13:32 ASV, which says, “But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” They would ask: ‘How can the Father and Son be equal, same and of one substance when the Son doesn’t know what father only knows? Till now, framers of the Trinity, are still baffled,helpless and confused on this. However, earlier believers would reason on his words when …Jesus Christ many a times acknowledged his subordination to the Father. Do you ever hear these words of his read in church? For example, Jesus said: “Father is greater than I am..” John 14:28 ASV Again, Trinitarian believes Jesus is equal to God. But Jesus stated his father is greater than him. Doesn’t Jesus' words help you to understand how misleading the Trinity is? Additionally, compare yourselves with what earlier Christian Bible believers would ask: Why, Jesus further showed submission to his Father, when he prayed: “Father, …remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42 KJV Early Christians may further ask, Why does Jesus say that in his prayer, “not my will, but thine”? They know he is not praying to himself. Early Christian in Bible times know that Jesus doing not his will but ‘his father’s will’ was very important. Finally, however, with a few “significant” reasoning, proving the Trinity doctrine is really confusing, misleading and mostly unscriptural. NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING
John 14:18 " I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you. Clearly Jesus is the comforter the Mighty God the Everlasting Father Prince of peace Isaiah 9:6.
When you get to heaven, you will see the Father on the throne. Who is sitting on his right side? How many is that? Case closed..now read the Bible with that in mind.
Good point. Stephen saw only two in his vision. God was seated and Jesus was standing by God's side. Acts 7:55,56 Just a point. No one will be going to heaven. A few have been chosen as co-rulers with Jesus. Those who want to live on earth forever must qualify. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Obviously righteous people will never believe in a Trinity.
Though the bible says 30 times "God the Father" NOT ONCE does it say either 'God the Son' or God the Holy Spirit' Also the NT says a number of times "There is ONE God". But it NEVER says 'In three persons'. The 'trinity' is dogma & NOT biblical!
Wherever written God is one Deotr 6:4 you should read this verse in Hebrew the orginal in which Bible was written, if you read you will find the this is plural one not literary one,
@@elshaddai-jn723 Thats right! I get it! Sadly 'trinitarians' actually believe that 'God turned some of Himself into Jesus, while the real spirit of the 'Son' was still in heaven to keep the 'trinity' intact! Gal 4:4 wont satify them Iam afraid! You have to be more subtle than that!
CAN JESUS BE THE SAME AS JEHOVAH AS CLAIMED BY TRINITARIAN IN ISAIAH 6:1-10 AND IN JOHN 12:37-41? NO! Ref: The Forgotten Trinity - James White. Mike for you. Pls take time to read. Also for the audience, scholars, bible students and deserving ones. To ascertain that the Trinity. God Jehovah has no beginning.. ..he didn’t die any time. Psalms 90:2 - “From everlasting to everlasting, you are God” Isaiah 40:28 - “Jehovah is a God for all eternity” Psalms 93:2 - “From eternity you have existed”. Being eternal means no beginning, no wavering and no end Jesus has a beginning, was begotten by Jehovah God. Revelation 3:14 - “the beginning of the creation by God” Colosians 1:15,16 - “ the firstborn of all creation;”… Proverbs 8:22 - “Jehovah produced me,.. beginning of his way” Then Jehovah God, created the earth, heavens and the master worker Jesus was with his father. (Proverbs 8:22-29) Proverbs 8: 30 - “Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time… So when Isaiah saw a vision of the heavenly courts where Jehovah was sitting on his lofty throne…Isaiah . . . saw his glory:, Isa 6:1, 8-10 Jehovah asked Isaiah:”Whom shall I send and who will go for us?” Why are the pronouns “I” and “us” used here? The pronoun “I” stands for Jehovah God. The use of the plural pronoun “us” indicates that at least one other person was with God in Isaiah’s vision. Only reasonable to conclude that when John wrote that Isaiah “saw his glory,” this refers to Jesus’ pre-human glory alongside God Jehovah. This harmonizes with such scriptures as, where God said: Genesis 1:26 - “Let us make man in our image.” John 1: 1 - “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine (or god like one) John 1:14 - “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father;… Though Isaiah spoke about Christ, because a large portion of Isaiah’s writings focuses on the foretold Messiah. So by logical reasoning, we can conclude that in Isaiah’s vision, Jehovah was with Jesus and are not the same or co-equal. So Jesus' lofty position in heaven is not on Jehovah God’s throne. Jesus was always alongside. When resurrected he sits on God’s right hand. He is not co-equal to God, his God, his Father.Trinity is not a Bible Teaching.
Brother Mike I like your teaching but please read the below point and hopefully you will consider and review your teaching. 1. If the monotheism position on the Trinity, “one God manifesting Himself as three persons” is valid, how can one God have two wills? Did Jesus petition another manifestation of Himself in the Garden? “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42, 2. Did the Father send a manifestation of Himself to Earth or did He send another Deity who had a will of His own, a Deity who was separate and distinct from Himself? Jesus told the Jews, “For I have come down from Heaven not to do My will but to do the will of Him who sent Me.” (John 6:38, ) 3. Did the Father speak about His love for Himself when Jesus was baptized or did the Father speak about His love for another member of Deity? “Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: ‘This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!’ ” (Mark 9:7, ) 4. During His final moments on the cross, did Jesus cry out to another manifestation of Himself with a question? “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ - which means, ‘My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?’ ” (Mark 15:34, ) 5. Paul said that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Did the Father raise up a manifestation of Himself or did the Father restore life to a member of Deity who willingly gave up His eternal life so that sinners could have it? “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead.)” (Galatians 1:1, ) 6. Jesus says that He was once dead and is now alive forever more. (Revelation 1:18) If Jesus is a separate member of Deity who willingly gave up His eternal life so that sinners could have it, the price of our redemption exceeds calculation. On the other hand, if Jesus is a mere manifestation of the Father, God’s sacrifice for our sins amounts to just suffering. Said another way, if the penalty for sin is death, God did not pay the penalty for our sins because God Himself could not die (cease to exist) on the cross and then resurrect Himself. 7. Finally, if there is one God who manifests Himself as three persons, why did the Father search through the whole universe only to determine that another manifestation of Himself (Jesus) was worthy to receive the book sealed with seven seals? (See Revelation 5.) This prophetic story highlights the core issue between the doctrine of monotheism (one God) and tritheism (three Gods). If the Father found Himself worthy to take the book sealed with seven seals, what is the point of His search of the universe only to give Himself the book which He wrote? If monotheism is true and there is only one God, then Revelation 5 becomes a divine sham and we know this is not possible! “Let God be true and every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) God is honest and always above any hint of reproach. When considering the previous seven issues, the idea of one God manifesting Himself as three persons creates many logical and textual problems for which there are no solutions. The greatest problem I have with monotheism is that the Bible is put into a position where it cannot be understood just as it reads. If a Bible reader is willing to consider the idea that the Godhead (the Trinity) is made up of three separate Gods who are united as one Deity, serving creation as one God in purpose, plan, and action, the entire Bible will make perfect sense just as it reads. When people reach or support conclusions built on religious bias, insufficient samples, inadequate knowledge, or maligned opinions, these conclusions create many insurmountable problems and questions resulting in confusion and more division.
Paul said The father raised him from the dead, but Jesus also said that HE will raise himself from the dead. God the father says I am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last. JESUS said those exact words in revelation😊
@@ryanlindback9393messiah was given authority to do so by the father… when all his enemies are under his feet he gives authority back to the father and worships along side us…..as far as beginning and end messiah is again speaking on behalf of the father…reread that part of revelation…. The whole chapter slowly 🥰
@@ryanlindback9393 Jesus spoke God's words, and, of course, God is the one who raised Jesus from the dead--see Acts 13:30. Jesus said plainly that he spoke the Father's words, not his own. Consider John 14:10; 12:49; 10:38; 8:28, 38.
You have to confess that Jesus is the son of God (not God ) in order for God to abide in you, and you in God. 1 John 4:15. Have you confessed that Jesus is the son of God ?
😆damage control!! Houston, we have a problem! Every year it’s getting harder and harder to defend the trinity doctrine, Mike is certainly trying hard, and failing. People are abandoning this sinking ship.
John 10:30 I and the father are one. John 17:21 that all of them may be one, is you father are in me, and I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me Always, always get the context of the scriptures by reading the scriptures before and after that....
JOHN 10:30 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING ONE GOD OR ONE BEING!. BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE WONDERFUL DEEDS YAHUSHA WAS DOING WHICH IS ALSO WHAT HIS FATHER DOES. IN OTHER WORDS: THEY ARE ONE IN MIGHTY DEEDS, NOT BECAUSE YAHUSHA IS THE FATHER YAHUWAH BUT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS IN HIM. READ IN CONTEXT: Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one." Joh 10:37 If I don't do what my Father does, then don't believe what I say. Joh 10:38 But if I DO WHAT MY FATHER DOES, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." "ONE" AS IN UNITED IN PURPOSE! NOT ONE ENTITY OR BEING! Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE , EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. Joh_14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me WILL ALSO DO THE WORKS THAT I DO; AND GREATER WORKS THAN THESE WILL HE DO, because I am going to the Father.
Isaiah 9,5 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". His title is also MIGHTY GOD.
What a load of concocted rubbish! how can Jesus be God if he is Gods son? If he was truthful he would answer - because he is Gods son he cannot be God. It is that simple. So much information in scripture that plainly states Jesus is Gods Son yet this guy twists scripture to make his trinity evil work
*Why are the following terms no where in scripture?...* *(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)* • *Trinity* • *God the Son* • *God the Spirit* • *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead* *The above terms are all based on Trinitarian Ideology...not in the Bible*
The only problem I have with the Trinity is saying "that is what God is." We have no clue. Has He revealed himself in this way? Yes. Has He said that is all I am? No. So making it a statement that we have to believe, makes no sense. The idea that we can completely understand God is just dumb.
He does tell us exactly who he is God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but if your saying our to understand in our human physical mind yes because there's nothing we can compare to it in the physical. I know without doubt who he is because he has said over and over in his word so I believe that nothing more or less I stand his word. Amen 🙏🏾
For crying out loud! He doesn't consider the fact, that Trinitarianism could be a Cult too! Having been raised & groomed in Trinitarianism! There are just too many flags! It just doesn't make logical sense to the language we understand! And God is not ambiguous in who He is to us! And doesn't change from the OT to NT... Blame this on the bias adopted by our early Church fathers and the creeds and translations thereafter... Amazing how we can misinterpret Scriptures away from God's Essence or Character to our understanding & convenience! Just doesn't make sense how you can change monotheism into 3 personhoods...so if it's 1 God in 3 Persons! So is it 3 manifestations of 1 God! So why would God manifest Himself in 3 different ways... Trinitarians try hard to defend their understanding but it sure looks flawed...and they deem every other reason as a Cult or heretic...which is wrong! The Apostles would be rolling in their Graves with this ideology running amok in taking over Christianity and being current day Christianity! Winger doesn't make sense and sounds illogical in many of his arguments! The number of people killed or executed for their reasoning or views by the Church! Is scary...and this was before the crusaders!... God is straightforward and clear! Man corrupts and defines God to his convenience! There is only One God! And that is God The Father! His Son and our King & Lord is Christ is our Savior in being anointed, appointed & pre-destined by God to give us another chance to re-unite with Him! And Because God has bestowed all Honor & Glory upon Christ we are to worship him and he is The Way, Truth & The Life! He is the very image & representation of God The Father! But Not God himself! Which is why Christ always submitted to The Father and deferred to Him in all things! The Trinitarian bias has established its roots post the nicean creed.... This was one of the false views accepted and promoted by the Catholic Church and post the Reformation was adopted by the Protestants without any thought or reasoning that aligns with God and His Nature & Being!
Amen and praise the Messiah for blessing you to bring up biblical truth. We are doomed by 95% of christians but it is the Messiah who determines who will be saved. I have had a lot of fear mongering christians who already put me in hell
Here is the “first” foundational truth, according to scripture. These are the first words Jesus preached: Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Jesus taught repentance and baptism. Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. This is doctrinal truth!
@@BigTimeFaith yep, Amen. Isa11vs1 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots. 2 The Spirit Of The Lord shall rest upon Him, The Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding, The Spirit Of Counsel and Might, The Spirit Of Knowledge and of the Fear of the Lord. 3 His Delight Is In The Fear Of The Lord,.
I'm going my way to the father , because the father is Greater than I ? The Christ is going away at a future time to recognize the superior STATUS OF HIS FATHER JEHOVAH . Listen to the Christ not to imperfect man ?
I may have to listen to this again but I truly appreciate you reiterating these points. Being raised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I truly struggle with understanding this & grasping the idea of the Trinity. I’m trying but it’s exceptionally difficult for me to wrap my head around it. So I thank you for repeating & breaking it down, hopefully one day it’ll click for me.
For more understanding of the doctrine of God's Trinity, oblige yourself e-book download of "Jesus and the Trinity: What Many Believers Don't Know" from these platforms: order@pageturner.us/ amzn.to/3cljntB/ and adedejidavidadeoye.org. People have issue with the doctrine because they don't know how the soul of man originated, and its great contributions to understanding the concept of the Trinity of God from the trinity of man.
Cheyhorse 03 as long as you don't understand it there's hope. If you think it's clicked with you, then you've been deceived. Search out your roots for the truth.
@@staceygrove7295 why do you say this? I wrote this nearly a year ago. Since, I’ve prayed about it & come to an understanding of it. I am curious as to why you respond the way you do.
@@cheyhorse0382 I write because God wants everyone to come to know him, and Satan has used every sort of deceptive doctrine to prevent people from doing this. Jesus foretold the apostasy from the true teachings he taught people, in his illustration about the fine wheat and the weeds. He told the disciples that the enemy of man sowed the weeds amongst the fine wheat, but not to uproot them lest they pull up some of the fine wheat with the weeds. It is thought the weeds he was talking about were bearded darnel, which initially looks a lot like wheat. Jesus told the disciples that when the wheat is ready for harvesting then they would be able to tell the fine wheat from the weeds. This bearded darnel then looks very different at this stage from genuine wheat.(Matthew 13:25-30). The Apostles too warned of the Apostasy (Acts20:29,30, 1 Timothy 4:1-32, Timothy 4:3,4. Tickling the ears was necessary to convert pagans back in the post-Apostolic times to convert them to the corrupt form of 'Christianity' that had developed, and included accepting pagan beliefs in order to encourage them into the church. Other such teachings being the immortality of the soul, Easter, and Christmas. There are indeed many more teachings and many more scriptures about the coming apostasy, but please look into the above for yourself for the time being. The fact that many ancient cultures such as the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, etc had trinities of gods should be evidence enough that the teaching had a pre-Christian beginning. Please look into these things it is essential if you want to truly know God and how he wants to be worshipped acceptably. If you go to www.jw.org you will find a lot of information on all of the above. Have a good day.
Did you notice that under the video frame, Mike Winger claims to use the book of John to "evaluate the doctrine of the trinity and carefully explains what it means for Christians to have one God who is Father, Son, and Spirit"? Let's see if Mike can live up to his word. To begin with, under the video frame, Mike Winger alludes to John 1:1-3, which says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." In the verses above, does it say or imply that the "one God" consists of the Father, Son, and holy spirit? Absolutely not! In most popular versions of John 1:1, it's not the trinity that is said to be God. Instead, it's the "Word" [Jesus]. As John 1:1 says in part: "...and the Word was God." Does that sound like one God consisting of Father, Son, and Spirit? Not a chance! In the video above, Mike Winger's first reference to the book of John is John @. There, Jesus says, in part: "The Father is greater than I am." Could this verse be about a three-person deity, consisting of Father, Son, and Spirit? Answer: it couldn't be since Jesus is speaking of only himself and his Father. The holy spirit isn't even mentioned. And another thing, John @ contradicts the trinity doctrine, which says, in part: "In this trinity, NONE is greater or less than another." However, Jesus said: "The Father is greater than I am." So far, Mike Winger has failed miserably to prove the trinity belief by the book of John. But, let's go on. Maybe things will change. Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, which says: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, where Jesus said: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, which says: "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! BTW, the Jews who wanted to stone Jesus did not believe their God was a trinity. As they said to Jesus just before they tried to kill him: "The only Father we have is God himself." (John @) Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, where Thomas said to Jesus: "My Lord and my God." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Mike Winger's last reference to the book of John is John 1:1, which says, in part, in most Bibles: "...the Word was God." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! So, did Mike Winger live up to his claim to use the book of John to "evaluate the doctrine of the trinity and carefully explains what it means for Christians to have one God who is Father, Son, and Spirit"? Absolutely not! This makes Mike Winger a liar.
Why is the doctrine of the trinity necessary for Christianity, anyway? I struggle with this question. To follow up, if a person believes that Christ was a man, was the son of God, performed all the miracles described in the Bible as an agent of God, was maybe in existence in heaven with God before man, and so forth, but does not believe in the divinity of Christ, where does that person fall? Christian (destined for heaven for eternity) or Not Christian (destined for hell for eternity)?
The Lord JESUS CHRIST clearly said: “I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24 Aramaic translation). GOD is the only one who can save us and NO ONE else (Deuteronomy 32:39). If The Lord JESUS CHRIST was only a man HE can not saved us as it is written "No man can possibly redeem his brother or pay his ransom to God.
PrintOfLife , this passage is so ambiguous. Jesus constantly says that the father sent him, the father is with home, and the father has not left him. It can just as easily be interpreted to evidence that the father and Jesus are separate. Of this is such a central tenant of Christianity, you would think that Jesus would not be so ambiguous about it.
Just because you don't follow the catholic trinity doesn't mean one thinks Jesus was only a man. Jesus is the son of GOD. The messiah. Sent to speak the Word of GOD. Jesus had a human mother but no human father. GOD is the Father.
Falsehood is by its nature self contradictory. It doesn't matter how many brilliant minds try to make sense of the trinity, it will forever remain confusing and contradictory.
Can you please explain how you understand that John 1:1-3 explains 3? I see two personages: The Word (who later became JC-The Son) and God (The Father)
Ya theres not 1 or 3 . Theres 2 Jw got it write when they translate it as word was a god John also writes at verse 18 no man has seen God at anytime This rules jesus out as almighty God
For people who say “The Spirit is not the Father and the Father is not the Spirit” explain this one… seeing as your Pat answer is “ Let’s go to scripture!” Mattthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you.. The Spirit is always spoken of as “ Of” God not “From” God because as scripture shows above it is the “ Spirit OF the Father” I mean just how many spirits do people think there is? And people think they can explain God with stupid little triangle analogies.
Muslim here I have, couple questions.. What passage of the bible limitd god to three persons? Who decided 3? Can there potentially be a 4th on the way in the future? If not why?
There’s not one passage that sums up the trinity. Mike mentions the many passages that reveal the trinity in the video. As far as a “4th god”, the only mentions of other “gods” I know of is in Psalm 82, which “god” seems to be used as a title for earthy judges and priests. The only claim of big G “God” has been made by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
All Trinitarian claims are false. Mike Winger even associates non-trinitarians as a cult. This is also false. To debunk Mike or any other trinitarian, all you do is take them to the origin or history of said doctrine. The origin reveals how certain men brought this pagan teaching into the Church. Don't believe me? Ask Mike to make a video on the origin of the trinity. He will not.
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself: 1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3). 1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS! 2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6) 2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.” 3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28) 3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…” 4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31) 4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity." 5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28) 5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.” 6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.” 6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.” 7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23) 7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.” So, do the Bible and the Catholic trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! As the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.” Mike Winger is just one of many ignorant preachers who have deceived their followers into believing that God is a trinity while at the same time telling them that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are separate Gods. It's too bad that they can't accept simple Scripture that says the Father is the "one God" of the Bible, not a trinity. Consider the following scriptures: 1. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him." (1 Cor. 8:6) 2. "[There is] one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." (Eph. 4:6) 3. "For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5) 4. Jesus called his Father the "ONLY true God." (John 17:3) 5. The Jews said to Jesus: "The only Father we have is God himself." (John 8:41) Don't let Mike Winger fool you into believing in a non-existing triune deity.
@@salman13 if you read his comment you will notice that there is a lot he mis represent the Bible. Example his last last comment said jew told Jesus they had one God.so even if jew didn't know the truth the commentor take it as final authority. By the way final authority is Jesus himself because he is fully God. See my other comment in the topic regards trinity. Hope this clarify.
@@jeffkulola8795 Jesus is not the final authority, God is. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, so that God may be all in all. The Father is not subject to the Son. Jesus is not God. Jesus is the Son of God.
I have found that the deeper you dig into the nature of God, the more complex He becomes. It’s as if we were never meant to fully understand, but simply to believe what we are told. I can see a strong argument for a triune God. The problem is that we often base our assumptions on conjecture, which makes the discussion more philosophical than theological, and therefore subject to considerable error-or at least it has that potential. However, if we base our assumptions about the nature of God solely on Scripture, allowing the Bible to exegetically explain who He is through His Word, we are compelled to conclude that He is one: the Father, Almighty God, the one and only YHWH.
A trinity of persons was unknown in the apostolic church, but was hatched by the Nicene Council, and from that was introduced into the Roman Catholic church, and from that again into the churches separated from it.
@Dom Black my friend Angelkind is from mankind. That's true, for the Lord creates the spirits of angels in the midst of men on earth. No man, no Angel. Revelation 22:6-9. Amen 🙏. Thank you, Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️ 🙌. Amen 🙏
LORD GOD, THE FATHER, AND YESHUA (JESUS) ARE ONE NOT TRINITY In the beginning, after God completed the creation of Adam, Adam was not yet alive. According to Genesis 2:7, And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The human body cannot have life if the breath of life or spirit from God does not enter at each birth in this world. When the baby Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb, the Spirit of God (the Word) gave Him life. As described in Luke 1:35, And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." This signifies that Jesus' body was a human body, known as the Son of God, because His spirit was the Spirit of God. John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. This grand plan allowed God to die on the cross, and through Jesus’ human blood, humanity’s sins were cleansed, and the old laws were sealed. When humans die, their bodies remain on earth, while their spirits are brought to Abraham for salvation or to the realm of the dead for punishment if they lacked faith and righteousness in life. Similarly, when Jesus Christ surrendered the Spirit of God and His body to the Father, the Spirit of God departed from Jesus' body. This is why Jesus declared, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani," before His final breath, as His body recognized that the Spirit of God would depart upon His death. On the third day, the Spirit of God returned to Jesus’ body. Through God’s power, Jesus was resurrected, transforming His human body into a divine one. Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, glorified as King of kings and Lord of lords, and took His place beside the Father in divine authority, known as the Lord Jesus. The Unity of the Father and the Lord Jesus Lord Jesus and the Father are One, not three in one, nor a Trinity. The Lord Jesus continually instructs believers to live by the Spirit, not by the flesh, as the flesh cannot comprehend the Holy Spirit. In Revelation 22:12-13, Lord Jesus say, “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." Summary: Jesus Christ = Son of Man / Son of God God = The Holy Spirit (The Word) Father = The divine authority of God left in Heaven, while the holy Spirit of God entered Mary’s womb, bringing life to Jesus Christ for His mission of salvation. The Father remained in Heaven to impart spirit to every child in the womb. The Lord Jesus is always with us. Amen.
John:1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. No mention of Holy Sprit.
Richard Walker It's 1 John 1:3 that you quoted and you didn't see the Holy Spirit because you didn't the whole chapter book of 1 John. 1 John 5:7-8 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. How about other verses with Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Bible and all in the same verses? Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Matthew 3:16 “After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.” Matthew 12:28 “But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .” Luke 3:22 “And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.” John 15:26 “When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .” Acts 1:4 “Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .” Acts 2:33 “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.” Acts 10:38 “You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.” Romans 1:4 “Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .” Romans 8:9 “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.” 1 Corinthians 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 2:22 In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. Titus 3:6 Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior. Hebrews 9:14 How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
@@rickdavis2235 God bless you CONTINUALLY brother! The Tri-une Nature of God is in the Everey one book of the Bible, but ONLY if you are Born again by the Holy Spirit you will receive wisdom and revelation! Jesus (the WORD/the MEMRA) in the O.T. Jeremiah 1:4-9, Genesis 3:8, Genesis 17:1...... The Holy Spirit in the O.T. Genesis 1:2 (Also when God appeared as CLOUD and FIRE - this is the Holy Spirit (the Shekhinah - the Visible Manifestation of the Holy Spirit) Maranatha!
@@НатанаилСталев-ф2р Thank you. My church is having a bible study about finding Jesus and the Holy Spirit throughout the Old Testament. God bless you too.
@@rickdavis2235 I hope this verse will help you bro! (Jesus in the O.T.) Genesis 35:9 The God of eternity, whose name be Blessed for ever and ever, hath taught us precepts which are beautiful and statutes that are comely: He hath taught us the blessing of matrimony from Adam and his bride, as the scripture expoundeth. And the Word of the Lord blessed them, and the Word of the Lord said to them, Be strong and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it. He hath taught us to visit the afflicted, from our father Abraham the Righteous, when He revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision, and gave him the precept of circumcision, and made him to sit in the door of his tent in the heat of the day; as the scripture expoundeth and saith, And the Word of the Lord revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision. And again He hath taught us to bless those who mourn, from our father Jakob the Righteous: for He revealed Himself to him on his coming from Padan of Aram, when the way of the world had happened to Deborah, the nurse of Rivekah his mother, and Rahel died by him in the way, and Jakob our father sat weeping and bewailing her, and mourning and crying. Then wast Thou, O Lord of all worlds, in the perfection of Thy free mercies revealed to him, and didst comfort him, and blessing the mourners didst bless him concerning his mother, even as the scripture expoundeth and saith, The Word of the Lord revealed Himself unto Jakob the second time on his coming from Padan Aram, and blessed him. Many blessings to all in your church in Jesus Name, Amen!
God is One and ALONE His name is JESUS Deut 6:4 HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God the Lord is One Jesus said ye call me Master and Lord ye say well for so I am Jn 13:13 Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God is One Lord (Mark 12:29) Question Who is One Lord..? Answer Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord ( 1CORT 8: 6) I am the Lord and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME (Isa 45:5) Very Very Clear Verse I AM THE LORD AND THERE IS NONE ELSE THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME. I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end Saith the Lord, which is, which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY (Rev 1:8 ) Deut 4: 39 Therefore know this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord himself is God in heaven Above and on the Earth beneath, THERE IS NO OTHERS JESUS IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY Seeing see not , hearing they hear not,,,
The Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 6:4 uses the divine name YHWH (Jehovah in English) twice: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." The fact that the majority of Bibles in English omit God's name in this verse and many other verses contributes to the confusion that surrounds the identity of God. When someone unversed in the Bible reads the word "Lord" in their Bible, they most likely think only of Jesus. They are not able to distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus. 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Only the Father is God for Christians. Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In Revelation 1:8, the one who says he is the Alpha and the Omega is called the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Verse 4 refers to this same person who is called "him who is, and who was, and who is to come." Then in verse 5, Jesus is spoken of as a *different* person - "and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not the one who calls himself the Alpha and the Omega.
@@dreameruy9510 Because God Gave Him tge Authority Matt28vs18 John3vs34 For He Whom God Has Sent Speaks The Words Of God, For God Does Mot GIVE* The Spirit by Measure. 35 The Father Loves the Son, and Has GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HAND. Ps91vs1 He Who Dwells In the Secret Place Of The Most High (Matt16vs16-17) Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. John14vs10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My Own Authority; but the Father Who DWELLS in Me Does The Works. 11 Believe Me That I Am In THe Father and the Father In Me, or else Believe Me for the Sake of the Works Themselves.
NIMROD invented the TRINITY , The Great opposer against JEHOVAH , adopted by the Roman Catholics ? ? Mike is a sub Catholic because he is obsessed with the PAGAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY ? ? ? 😨😲👀
The Trinity is taught to you through the Bible. Just because it isn’t called the Trinity, doesn’t mean the doctrine isn’t being taught to you though scripture.
@@davegink9222 Dave I've heard several debates on this subject and all it is is a waste of everyone's time. It's like the Pharisees arguing with the Sadducees. When the kingdom people get on with God's business of preaching and teaching people about the good news and taking dominion in the spiritual realm.
BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HOW DID THE EARLY CHURCH INTERPRET CHRIST'S COMMAND IN MATTHEW 28:19? ACTS 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, and 19:5 are four Biblical references that answer this question. If the Biblical record is not enough, please examine the findings of the educated, scholars, and historians. Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365 - Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century. Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 - The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2 - Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, page 389. Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263 - Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church. Schaff - Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435 - The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus. Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88 - It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. IS IT AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY THAT THE NAME OF JESUS BE SPOKEN OR CALLED OVER A CANDIDATE FOR WATER BAPTISM WHEN HE IS BEING BAPTIZED? For the answer to this question, please read Acts 15:17 and James 2:7 [Greek Linear]. First Century Christians INVOKED OR CALLED the name of Jesus over believers in water baptism. If, as some say, "the name of Jesus means the authority of Jesus', then so much more should the NAME, rather than titles, be called over an individual in baptism. Read Matthew 28:18, Acts 4:12 and Colossians 2:9. Jude 3 is an exhortation to "CONTEND FOR THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS." See Galations 1:8-9 also. Should anyone dare to change what Christ and the Apostles established? BAPTISM 1. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY GHOST -or- 2. IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST Which of These Were Practiced By the Apostles in the Early Church? BELOW ARE TWO COLUMNS FOR LISTING THE SCRIPTURES WHERE THE APOSTLES EITHER TAUGHT OR PRACTICED WATER BAPTISM. IN JESUS NAME JEWS - "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:38. SAMARITANS - They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8:16. GENTILES - He commanded them to be baptized in the name of Lord Jesus. Acts 10:48. PETER TAUGHT - There is none other name given whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12. PAUL TAUGHT - Whatever you do, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus. Col. 3:17. FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST Matthew 28:19 was a command by Jesus to baptize in a NAME. The Apostles did not repeat the words of the command, but they did obey it as seen in the scriptures above. Since Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles of the mainifestations of the Almighty Spirit and His body, the Apostles understood His SAVING NAME to be JESUS. Can any dare say that the Apostles disobeyed the Lord, or failed to baptize properly? THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST IS LORD JESUS CHRIST. The actions of the Apostles in the Book of Acts prove this to be true. BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME According to The Bible JESUS TAUGHT - THAT REPENTANCE & REMISSION OF SINS SHOULD BE PREACHED IN HIS NAME BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM." Luke 24:47 PETER OBEYED - "REPENT & BE BAPTIZED EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS." Acts 2:38-39 SAMARITANS - ". . .THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Acts 8:16 GENTILES WERE COMMANDED - "HE COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF LORD JESUS." RV. Acts 10:48 PAUL RE-BAPTIZED - ". . . WHEN THEY HEARD THIS THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Acts 19:3-5 NO OTHER NAME FOR SALVATION - ". . .THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED." Acts 4:10-12 EVERYTHING DONE IN JESUS NAME - "WHATSOEVER YOU DO IN WORD OR IN DEED, DO ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Col. 3:17 The above scriptures are not given to refute Matthew 28:19 where JESUS told Apostles to baptize in the name of the FATHER, & OF THE SON, & OF THE HOLY GHOST. They merely show how the command was interpreted and obeyed by them. The Apostles knew what most religious leaders of today fail to recognize. First: That the Lord Jesus Christ is the family name. Eph. 3:15. Second: That the FULNESS of the GODHEAD (Deity or God) dwelleth bodily in CHRIST. Col 2:9 They knew the name of the SON was JESUS. Matthew 1:21. They knew that the SON came in the FATHER'S name. John 5:43. They also knew that the HOLY GHOST was the SPIRIT of CHRIST and would come in JESUS NAME. John 14:26. The name JESUS means JEHOVA SALVATION. Faussets' Bible Encyclopedia. Page 359. BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME According to History BRITANICA ENCYCLO. - The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366. BRITANICA ENCYCLO. - Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Vol. 3, page 82. CANNEY ENCYCLO. OF REL. - The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of Trinity Doctrine in 2nd century. Page 53. CATHOLIC ENCYCLO. - Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. Vol. 2, Page 263. HASTINGS ENCYCLO. OF REL. - Christian Baptism was administered using the words, "IN THE NAME OF JESUS." Vol. 2, Page 377. The use of a Trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in early Church History. Vol. 2, Page 378. Baptism was always in name of the Lord Jesus until time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula used. Vol. 2, Page 389. CATHOLIC ENCYCLO. - Justin Martyr was one of the early Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church. Vol. 8 HASTINGS ENCYCLO. OF REL. - Name was an ancient synonym for "person." Payment was always made in name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus name became his personal property. "Ye are Christs." Vol. 2, Page 377 on Acts 2:38.
I became Christian in 1976 when I was 18. I didn't grow up in a religious family. We were very secular, so I didn't have any preconceived doctrines. I knew there was supposed to be a trinity, but when I read the Bible, I couldn't see it in the scriptures. So I'm not trinitarian. I asked God to reveal it to me in the scriptures. And what He revealed to me is that He is the Holy Spirit. So the Father and the Son are both the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is their being. And there is only one Holy Spirit. Yes, wherever the Father and the Word are, there will also be the Holy Spirit, because they are the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not a third person. Before He became the Son of man, Jesus did exist with the one we call the Father. John 1 says He was with God in the beginning and He was God. They were both YHVH. Our minds always try to diagram or picture things. This is how my mind pictures it. Draw a circle. That circle is the Holy Spirit. Now write Father and Son inside that circle. You can't draw an infinite circle, but the circle is infinite. That is how I visualize it now. But when I think of it before Jesus came as the Son of man, I think of the same circle with YHVH written inside. But it is the exact same thing, except He hadn't taken on the flesh yet. But within YHVH there are still the two personifications. The Holy Spirit is the whole of YHVH, it is His being. So when the Holy Spirit comes to us, it is the Father and the Son coming to us in their Spirit. Lu @ If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Ro @ The Spirit ITSELF beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Ro @ ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit ITSELF maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 2Co @ Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the EARNEST of the Spirit in our hearts. An earnest is a down payment. 2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the EARNEST of the Spirit. Php @ For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Jesus said He and the Father are One. He also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." The reason He could say that is because they are both the Holy Spirit.
Many years I was so confused, some teachers said God is Trinity, some said Jesus is not equal to the Father, He was just a beloved Son that the Father sent. But recently a year ago I prayed and prayed and seek hard, read over and over the whole bible, Then I came to understand that the Father, son Jesus, and the Holly Spirit are one being, one God, "not 3 person one God". If you want to know the Truth, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you Mathew 7:7 kjv
I don't think trinity is a good explanation of the Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv. Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself. The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I think trinity is an unfortunate leftover from the Catholic church that Martin Luther should have nailed to the door. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Look at these entries from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Catholic Encyclopedia Trinity: The Dogma of the Trinity: The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion-the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are THREE PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these THREE PERSONS being truly distinct one from another. The Persons are CO-ETERNAL and CO-EQUAL: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Divine Persons are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin TRINITAS is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the TRINITY of God [the Father], His WORD and His WISDOM” (“AD. AUTO1”., II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of TRINITAS in Tertullian (“De pud”, c. xxi, P.G., II 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of origin. The writers of this school contend that The doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but it was first formulated in the second century and recieved final aprobation in the fourth century, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies. The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299: The formulation “one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the fourth century. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma.” Among the apostlic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.
The false doctrine of the trinity. I am thankfull to be freed from this false hood.. John17:3 proves it all, as well as where Paul says there is only one mediator between GOD and man, the MAN Jesus Christ. Also where Jesus asked his diciples, who do you say I am. Peter's answere was clearcut, the Christ. Jesus had the oppertunity to to put his own possition in perspective. So stop proclaiming a false Jesus Christ. Also a good read is where Paul rebuked the Galatians in the 1st chapter about their flawed view of our saviour. If you can show me one verse that might infere 3 gods in one god scinario, let me know. Neither will you find the phrase/verse where it says "god the son" . I can show you Son of GOD a few places. Come on, read the scriptures for what it says, and leave the confusion behind.
2Cor 1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
It’s not as simple as 1 verse. Any verse can be taken out of context and misused. “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”” Genesis 1:26 ESV We see here that God is referring to himself with a plural pronoun. This is given greater context by John 1. Let’s look at these next 3 verses. “So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.” John 2:18-21 ESV “this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.” Acts 2:23-24 ESV “If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.” Romans 8:11 ESV If you don’t believe in the trinity, then there’s a bad contradiction in scripture. Furthermore, Jesus couldn’t raise himself up from the dead if he was just a man. Mike Winger goes into much greater detail in this video about Colossians 2, Jesus’s claims of deity in the book of John, and more. The trinity can’t be denied.
*No Trinity* Respectfully Sir, *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* *How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔 Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12) - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]* *[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]* ______ Why does Jesus say " *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28) *[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"* _______ • *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* *How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔 • *Matt. **26:46* - About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: *"Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?”* that is, *“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”* *(How can Jesus be Almighty & need help from his "God & Father?")* *Why are the following terms no where in scripture?...* *(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)* • *Trinity* • *God the Son* • *God the Spirit* • *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead*
And by the way--why did you think you had to "shuffle" around the definitions again, anyway? What I'm seeing MORE and MORE, is trinitatians scrambling to attempt making some kind of SENSE to their doctrine by ADDING 'new-fangled' words, and clever DICTION--including some BIG words taken out of the Hebrew or Greek that really do NOTHING in defending Trinity. I also see/hear a good measure of PHILOSOPHICAL RHETORIC that's intended to somehow QUALIFY this "Dark-Age" doctrine. You honestly thought "Truly God--Truly man" would supply more substantial 'grit' to the argument? Again; ONE GOD--ONE HOLY SPIRIT! It's really THAT simple! Jesus was "Born" of the "virgin Mary." Why must you turn this into Theologic Calculus? Well, no hard feelings. God bless you all in the coming year.
@@raygabrelcik2578 Sorry, it is you that are unlearned in the scriptures. I have been following your remarks. Jesus is God Almighty. And the Triune God is the God of the Bible.
@@jamest1411 Mr. "JAMES T," I cordially, and respectfully invite you to introduce your apologetic. But please remember, I do not tolerate harsh put-downs, and blatant disrespect of ones charactor--the LORD GOD HIMSELF is listening--let's keep that in mind. Thank you, good brother.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 Already done that with you. You failed to address not one single issue of the scriptures provided to you that Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah is Almighty God.
Mike you are brilliant by the grace of God bc you make the argument for the wisdom of God using the Greek OT text (LXX) and the very intentional design behind His keeping humanity free from the "Hebrew" for 1100y after Jesus was here *_and you do not even realize_* you have just made the arguments!! Yes. Indeed and FACT: God used Greek on purpose and we should not be anxious to overthrow the word and names Jesus manifested unto us *_in the Greek_* . God meant to do that. I love God! Thanks Mike.
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: "in Greek it doesn't say Jesus is God" vs JESUS: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" You have been mortally misinformed. Jesus ABSOLUTELY refers to Himself as God by the VERY NAME OF GOD *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* , and it is so particularly CLEAR in the GREEK that He warns you and EVERYONE in John 8:24 that if you do not believe He is GOD, you will die in your sin! Jesus point BLANK calls HIMSELF by the name of GOD of the Old Testament *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* several times: Εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν · ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν . And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (Acts9:5) the Jews knew EXACTLY what Jesus was saying about HIMSELF, "making Himself EQUAL with GOD" (John 5:18) He refers to Himself as the Ancient of Days coming in the clouds "Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Mt 24:30, Mk13:26, Lk 21:27) The High Priest rent his clothes when He heard the "blasphemy" of Jesus referring to HIMSELF as GOD: But He held His peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, and said unto Him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? (Mark 14:61-63) The APOSTLES referred to Jesus as GOD: Thomas: And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28) ALL things were created by Him (John 1:3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour (!Tim 2:3) and John 12:41 explains that it was JESUS that Isaiah saw in Isaiah 6... so you are just confused and need a little more explanation about this stuff... I'd look up Mike Heiser, he did a GREAT video on the distinct persons of the Jewish godhead... I'll post it after this comment... but don't be misled, Jesus is 100% God and 100% man! he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (Jn 8:58-59)
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: Jesus isn't the Creator God is" vs GOD: "All things were made by HIM; and without HIM was not any thing made that was made." (John1:3) "In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: *_For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist_* (Col 1:14-18)
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: " I am he *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* means he is the Son of God VS GOD: Moses said to God, “Behold, when I come to the children of Israel, and tell them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you;’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ What should I tell them?” (Ex 3:13) AND GOD SAID TO MOSES *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* EGO EIMI (Exodus 3:14) you do not know what you are talking about. if you do NOT believe Jesus ἐγώ εἰμι YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN (John 8:24)
Biblical scholars call this issue the “Johannine Comma”. 1 John 5: 7-8 reads differently in every bible 600 years old or older. It was made up a few centuries ago. Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma
There is no triune God in the Bible Not even a false pagan one Jesus HAS a God Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Rev 1 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 3 12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
The TWO KEY issues here, Mike, are, how many (literal) Holy Spirits do you believe in, and just WHAT is a "Person" in this "Tri-unity?" Do you have enough wisdom to CLARIFY this word? I do not DISSECT my Mighty God; He is ONE--One LORD, ONE God, One Holy Spirit who REVEALED (showed-forth) Himself in and through His "Son." God does not BECOME something, much less a tiny little human being--what He DOES is "ANOINTS" by way of His Spirit (singular). God does not HAVE a Holy Spirit--He IS the (One and only) Holy Spirit! NOTHING makes MORE sense--scripturally--than THAT! God bless, and may you seek wisdom.
Ray Gsbrelcik I believe that Jesus is God Matthew 1:23. I believe the Father is God John 1:18 & 5:16 Not two Gods Two positions (The Father and the Son) they are one family in heaven named God. God the Son God the Father I believe the Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit, not another God or person. I believe they are One God. And John 1:-13 is a commentary of Genesis 1 & 2 and 1John 1 is a contrary of John if you read the book of John and the book of 1John instead of a scripture here and there. Let those English scriptures take you a little deeper in the Word of God. I do not believe in the trinity, triune God as three persons, coequal! No! I hope that answers your question.
Ray Gsbrelcik Is that the question I asked. No I asked if you believed in the trinity, from my understanding it is one God, 3 persons, coequal. That’s how wickipdia explains it.
The first thing you need to do to believe in the trinity is to redefine the word god. All god means is supreme being. When Jesus said He was going to His God, John 20:17, He was saying He was going to His Supreme Being. Jesus also made the point that He is God by showing the Jews that they believed there are many gods, and that Jesus is one of them, John 10:34-38. People who teach the trinity go against these Scriptures. You will not find the Jesus being referred to as the One God, but you will find the father, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
John's gospel begins with a theological prologue that introduces its central character by underscoring (His) devine origins,idenity,and role in a new act of creation.(John 1:14). The concept of logos (word) enjoyed wide currency in ancient wisdom literature and philosophical circles both before and after the composition of John. Proverbs 8, for example metaphorically personified the wisdom of God. The stoics considered logos the rational force or principle underlying the universe. The primary meaning of ho logos (the word) in v.1 however, must be derived from its correlation with the creation narrative. The opening phrase," in the beginning" echoes the opening phrase of Genesis. and it's poetic style in the thematic content, the prologue invites reflection on the logos role in the creation account.Logos can signify "reason", "communication"," utterance", "spoken word", " speech", " discourse", articulated plan, or "self-expression." this gospel employs special language indicating that Jesus came from and later returned to the Father a dynamic depiction of the incarnations scholars refer to as John's descent- ascent motif. John does not, however, invision Jesus as a separate ontological person apart from the Father, a theological construct that developed in Post New Testament thought. Acts2:38 covenant this side of the cross.
Rule #1 Don’t use ambiguous texts to explain easily understood text. Matthew 28:19 is explained better in looking at the other accounts of this conversation. Luke 24:45-47 “Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.” This is clearly understood in Acts 2:38 after Peter preaches and conviction falls they ask him what must we do? His response? “Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,” The claim is that Acts 2:38 implies in the authority of Jesus, examples used is a police officer saying stop in the name of the law. This is flawed, why would we assume this here but not in Matthew 28:19? How did we assume one was literal but the other isn’t? This is dangerous. They are both literal, but in the full context you understand the name that was given according to acts 4:12 & Philippians 2:9-10 is the Name ofJesus, which literally can be understood as Jehovah has become our salvation.
@@jamest1411 Jesus tells us himself in John 5:43 that he had come in his Father's name. Notice in Isaiah 9:6 that the son that was to come was not called God nor the Father, but instead his "name" was to be called this. "Father" is not a name. What, then, is the Father's name? If you say the Father's name is "Jehovah," then what is the son's name if the son is not the Father? If one does not accept John 5:43, one has no good answer for why the Father and His son would have the same name.
WHAT DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE - ”In the beginning was the Word mean at John 1:1? The Bible Answers THE WORD OR JESUS IS THE BEGINNING Basically the definition of the word 'beginning' means (Oxford dictionary - noun, the point in time or space in which something starts) In this context, it is the beginning of Creation. Meaning “ the WORD”in time, has a starting point, came into existence, or was created. Jesus or the Word was the “beginning of creation, begotten, first name of all creation” by Jehovah God the Creator himself. Colossians 1:15 - KJV…’the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature’: Revelation 3:14 - KJV …’the beginning of the creation by God: John 3:16 - KJV…for God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son’... Proverbs 8:22 -ASV…’Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way’... Those verses confirm that Jesus had a beginning. He, as the Word, existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created.The Word or Jesus was besides his father always. “Proverbs 8:30 ASV..30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight,…. John 17:5-ASV … So now, Father, glorify me alongside you before the world was. JEHOVAH GOD HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END. He remains Almighty God the Father, the Creator of Jesus, He did not change to be nor being equal to Jesus. Psalms 90:2 ASV- ‘From everlasting to everlasting, you are God’.# “‘from eternity to eternity you are God” Isaiah 40:28 ASV ‘The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth… Habakkuk 1:12 ASV ‘Art not thou from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One?. Malachi 3:6 Byington Bible ‘For I Jehovah have not changed,’ He remained to be Jehovah. The Trinity rendering, Was the Word or JESUS co-equal with God?, NO. Jesus as the beginning of creation was with God Jehovah his father. Jesus did not create or beget himself. From then on Jesus was not co-equal to God and was Jesus always. Hebrew 13:8 ASV…Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and forever. John 14:28 ASV …’because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I’. Philippians 2:6 ASV…’ who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS …and THE WORD WAS GOD SCRIPTURAL REASONING ON JOHN 1:1 1st Misconception:Should the last phrase in John 1:1 be translated “the Word was God.” Fact: In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant. For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction. 2nd Misconception: The verse teaches that the Word is the same as Almighty God. ATrinitarian rendering. Fact: The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse. It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty. The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God. John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.” Note: ‘Jehovah have not changed’ - Malachi 3:6 / ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’ - Hebrew 13:8 There are many other misconceptions in the Bible to prove that the Trinity Doctrine is in fact WRONG
No, we are Not right! The gospel of John more than the other three put together records so MANY statements of Jesus Father's superiority and greatness and his addmission that he could "do NOTHING of his own" and that the Father was to GRANT him immortality" John records Jesus telling Mary "I am ascending to MY GOD AND MY FATHER". John 20:17. Thus John sums up his whole gospel in this way "These things have been written that you may believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD". John 20:31! So you are WRONG! about the 'trinity', especially in the gospel of John and throughout the rest ofthe NT!
You make the classic mistake of reading John 1:1 without studying the original Greek, and the context thereof. You need to understand the use of "Logos" here.
Ray Gabrelcik Mystery solved: The example is given in the “family” unit which God created. There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”. There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name. The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God. The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son. But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense. Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name. Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God. We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God. The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I. John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son. No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV). What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God. In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son), The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father). 3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent. The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines. Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine. Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. If it’s not written, it’s not truth! This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity! The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established. When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove. The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t! The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus. In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy. 1. If there is a third person why is he not listed in the genealogy? 2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person. 3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person. There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person. The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit. The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible. The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443 The trinity merely explains what we see when we read the scriptures. There are 3 persons but they are one God. The Catholic church has very little to do with the bible, although like to tell people they do. Both old and new testaments were finished hundreds of years ahead of the catholic church. If you get your history from the catholic church, then you believe they gave us the bible. Not so. They're yet another pseudo-Christian religion that used our vocabulary but not our dictionary, just as mormons do. Jesus was crucified because he made claims that He was God. If you don't believe that then you have to think that Jesus was a liar. I would point you to the bible where it gives us signs of a true prophet and how to tell them apart from the false prophets, like being born into the prophetic line (Smith wasn't), they don't contradict other prophets that came before them and a 100% accuracy rate is required for a true prophet. Smith had several false prophecies and his teachings were in direct conflict with all of the other prophets. He denies everything in the Bible that is a basic fundamental of Christianity.
Rick Davis In a post you r wrote yesterday, you said, “there are three persons but one God”. Who are the three persons? I assumed you were referring to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God the Father is a Spirit (not a person). The Holy Spirit is a Spirit (not a person) Therefore, I don’t believe in the trinity, three persons in one God. I do believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Bible reaches.
WOW !!!!! WOW !!! WOW !!!!! What is he saying, We also can be God's??? EPHESIANS 3:19 .. THIS IS PHILOSOPHY OF MEN !! EVERY EPISTLE SALUTATIONS IS CLEAR !!
Minister straker Mystery solved: The example is given in the “family” unit which God created. There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”. There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name. The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God. The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son. But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense. Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name. Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God. We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God. The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I. John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son. No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV). What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God. In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son), The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father). 3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent. The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines. Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine. Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. If it’s not written, it’s not truth! This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity! The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established. When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove. The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t! The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus. In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy. 1. If there is a third person why is he not listed in the genealogy? 2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person. 3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person. There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person. The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit. The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible. The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
Dorothy B Mystery solved: The example is given in the “family” unit which God created. There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”. There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name. The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God. The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son. But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense. Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name. Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God. We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God. The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I. John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son. No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV). What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God. In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son), The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father). 3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent. The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines. Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine. Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. If it’s not written, it’s not truth! This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity! The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established. When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove. The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t! The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus. In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy. 1. If there is a third person why is he not listed in the genealogy? 2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person. 3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person. There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person. The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit. The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible. The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443 Where is it that Jesus is written in John...Not the word word. the word "Jesus", John knew of Jesus and does not write that Jesus is in the beginning. Where are you getting that Jesus is the word besides people telling you. Are you saying the word Jesus is specifically written in John 1:1-5? Because it absolutely is not written that I noticed.-Ernie Moore Jr. The word existed before Jesus was born and was not Jesus: 1 Samuel 9: 27; 1 Kings 12: 22. And Jesus is grown-up and the word of God is not Jesus: Luke 3: 2; Luke 5: 1;Luke 8: 11; Luke 8: 19; Luke 11: 28. Jesus is Ascended and the word of God is referred to and is not Jesus: Acts 4: 31, Acts 8: 14, 11: 1, 12: 24.-Ernie Moore Jr. The word is/was made flesh, yet at conception there is no flesh. People add that in John, the word is Jesus. I'm just saying that John does not write that the word is Jesus and that in John, John does not write the name Jesus nor names the word as the name Jesus.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Which person of the Trinity was speaking in Isaiah 45:5? Which person of the Trinity was in Christ during his baptism, which was performed by John the Baptist? What is the singular name the apostles were commanded to baptize people with according to Matthew 28th ?chapter 1st 18 philosophical Bible tells me to avoid philosophy when it comes to the word of God
Try as Hard as you can. No one can make sence of the Trinity. The claim against the Trinity is not Complexity in order to say we cant understand GOD becouse is is too Great to be understod. the Problem with the Trinity is simply a Logical Impossibility.
There is no logical impossibility with GOD as with GOD all things are possible. The concept of The Trinity explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD like in Numbers 11:25.
"To believe in the Trinity, give up on analogies". So it means you basically won't understand it because it's a mystery to human understanding. Thus, you can't understand the Almighty God. Hence you don't know your God. Nice!!! Basically like what agnostics are saying. What about, The Father being the only True God and Jesus being the Son of the Only True God.
JEHOVAH IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD , NOT A CREW GOD ! ! ! MADE UP OF 3 COEQUALS ? ? ? GRENVILLE SHARPS 3 RULES ARE FROM THE MODERN DAY PHARISEE SCHOOLS ? ? ? WHEN IN DOUBT , THROW THE TRINITY DOCTRINE OUT ! ! YOU DON'T NEED IT, WEED IT ! ! CHRISTENDOM Pharisees not Jewish pharisees ?
Jesus said im going to the father for the father is greater than I So father is still greater than the son in heaven cause he said im going to the father Revelation 3:14 jesus said hes the beginning of Gods creation
At 42:24 it is the Gospel of Mark and not Matthew 3,29 - I will not correct you anymore, since your notes seem not to be always according to the Bible. :-)
Does Jesus still have his body in Heaven? and when we go to Heaven will we literally see Jesus with his body on the right hand of God the Father? Will we see both of them at the same time? Can we only hug Jesus because He has a body? Will we be able to talk to God the father?
WHAT DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE - ”In the beginning was the Word mean at John 1:1? The Bible Answers THE WORD OR JESUS IS THE BEGINNING OF CREATION Basically the definition of the word 'beginning' means (Oxford dictionary - noun, the point in time or space in which something starts) In this context, it is the beginning of Creation. Meaning “ the WORD”in time, has a starting point, came into existence, or was created. Jesus or the Word was the “beginning of creation, begotten, first name of all creation” by Jehovah God the Creator himself. Jesus in fact was the beginning of creation. Colossians 1:15 - KJV…’the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature’: Revelation 3:14 - KJV …’the beginning of the creation by God: John 3:16 - KJV…for God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son’... Proverbs 8:22 -ASV…’Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way’... Those verses confirm that Jesus had a beginning. He, as the Word, existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created.The Word or Jesus was besides his father always. “Proverbs 8:30 ASV..30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight,…. John 17:5-ASV … So now, Father, glorify me alongside you before the world was. JEHOVAH GOD HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END. He remains Almighty God the Father, the Creator of Jesus, He did not change to be nor being equal to Jesus. Psalms 90:2 ASV- ‘From everlasting to everlasting, you are God’.# “‘from eternity to eternity you are God” Isaiah 40:28 ASV ‘The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth… Habakkuk 1:12 ASV ‘Art not thou from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One?. Malachi 3:6 Byington Bible ‘For I Jehovah have not changed,’ He remained to be Jehovah. The Trinity rendering, Was the Word or JESUS co-equal with God?, NO. Jesus as the beginning of creation was with God Jehovah his father. Jesus did not create or beget himself. From then on Jesus was not co-equal to God and was Jesus always. Hebrew 13:8 ASV…Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and forever. John 14:28 ASV …’because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I’. Philippians 2:6 ASV…’ who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS …and THE WORD WAS GOD SCRIPTURAL REASONING ON JOHN 1:1 1st Misconception:Should the last phrase in John 1:1 be translated “the Word was God.” Fact: In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant. For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction. 2nd Misconception: The verse teaches that the Word is the same as Almighty God. ATrinitarian rendering. Fact: The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse. It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty. The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God. John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.” Note: ‘Jehovah have not changed’ - Malachi 3:6 / ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’ - Hebrew 13:8 There are many other FACTS in the Bible to prove that the misconceptions of theTrinity Doctrine is WRONG, MISLEADING, CONFUSING, NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING.
At 41:58 you quote from 2 Cor 2:11. The passage is wrong. It should read: 1 Cor. 2:11. I found out about it, since I am making notes of what you say with the Scripture passages... :-)
oh boy, at 42:20 Mike says 1 Corinthians 2:11 says the Holy Spirit "knows the thoughts of God" and says "therefore the Spirit is a person". But this is what 1 Corinthians 2:11 says: 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Verse 11 actually directly compares the way in which the Spirit of God knows the thoughts of God to the way in which our own spirit within us knows our own thoughts. Mike's teaching here would necessarily mean that each of us is one being with two persons, one of which is our own spirit. Please, everyone, read the Bible through looking at the topic of the Trinity only. The Bible does not teach it. It just makes no sense to claim to be someone who follows the Bible if you don't know for yourself what the Bible actually says, in context, and taken together as a whole as opposed to pulling a single verse out here and there. The Bible teaches there is one true God, the Father, Yahweh, the most high God, the only true God. This one true God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed One, to take on flesh and blood to be made like us in every way, in order to die on the cross for our sins.
'Are we right' shows that the Trinity was blindly believed all this time. Now someone is looking for some evidence for it. The record at John 1:1-3 is about God's FIRST CREATED BEING. The Firstborn of all Creation (cf Colossians 1:15). A creation triggers off the count of time. (John 1:2) This one was IN THE BEGINNING WITH God. Only a created person or object can have a beginning. God has no beginning.
Wow you are confused. John 1 says the Word was with God , Word is God, everything was created by the Word and the Word was made flesh . Also in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. How can you be confused about that?
@@christiansoldier77 : If John states that God's FIRST CREATION was WITH God at the BEGINNNG, how could a creation be the Creator? It is this loved SON whom God SENT to become the Messiah. Please read John 3:16. Galatians 4:4. Using a spurious verse added by the KJV seems an act of desperation. 1 John 5:7 has been expunged from most translations. It doesn't even make sense.
Jesus(the Word) was with GOD. Jesus speaks GODS Word. Just because Jesus had been with GOD since the beginning doesn't make him God. There is only one GOD. How do you not understand that? The trinity is catholic.
@@christiansoldier77 : John 1:1 says that the Word IS God????????? Please show me even a corrupt translation that states such. The no sense translation even say 'and the Word WAS God'. Meaning the Word no longer IS God. Doesn't make sense, does it.
@@lisawesome7588 : True! Catholic teachings do not conform to the Bible. By their own admission. Christian belief is: (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
When Jesus was asked which is the first commandment of all, he answered: The first of all the Commandments is "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE Lord Mark 12:29 Jesus reiterated the "Shema" of Deut.6:4. Why did Jesus reiterate Deut.6:4 to be the first Commandment of all when it is not even part of the decalogue? Jesus knew the day would come when mankind would make God three persons and was reminding the Jews how important it is for them to keep the SHEMA close to their hearts.
It's based on the anker of the old testament, but yet the name of God was removed and can not be found once in the new testament. 22:45 Now this is what I call changing the Bible to benefit your teaching (doctrine of the trinity).
In reference to Acts Chapter 5, Who did Christ say the Comforter is to His Disciples in John Chapter 14:16-17? Is it not the Spirit of Truth? If you know who the Truth is(John 14:6) shouldn’t be difficult to figure out that the Spirit belongs to Him because it’s the Spirit of Truth. Christ taught the Disciples the Comforter is to be called the Holy Spirit/Ghost so in the book of Acts whenever the Spirit or Holy Spirit is mentioned its who Christ says He is in John 14:17-23 which upon reading it’s not a literal third divine being
My name is Marc Andrew Schumann. There are three types of water. There is Ice,Snow and steam. When Ice and snow melts it's regular form of water. When steam cools down it's regular form of water. All three are different but there all one.
*[No Trinity]* *Whatever Authority Jesus [Yeshua] has was given to him by his "God & Father" {See John 20:17}* *[Plz Note]* *John 5:19* - If Almighty, Why did Jesus say: *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."* 🟥 • How could Christ Jesus have been *Co-Equal* with *the Father* who is *Almighty, All-Powerful or Omnipotent [Yahweh or Jehovah] from the beginning,* when *Jesus* is constantly, gradually *GIVEN* authority & power by his *Almighty God (who has no beginning).* 🤔 No one can give the Father *[Yahweh / Jehovah]* authority or power. *He has always possessed it* *Daniel 7:14* - And there was *"given"* him *dominion, and glory, and a kingdom* (KJV) *Psalm 110:1* - *[Jehovah]* said unto *my Lord,* Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. ~ *Divine Name King James Bible* 🔺️*(Here, Jesus takes orders from his Father who basically tells him to sit down... How can they be Co-Equal)?* 🤔 *Matt. **28:18* - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is *"given unto me"* in heaven and in earth. (KJV) • *John 17:3* - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* who *sent him* • *Rev. 1:1* - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, *which God gave to him...* ~~~~~~~~ [The following verse proves that the *Son (Jesus / Yeshua)* is always *in subjection or inferior* his *God & Father (Jehovah / Yahweh)]* • *1 Corinths. **15:28* - But when all things will have been subjected to him, then *the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him,* that God may be all things to everyone. • *Phillipians 2:9* For this very reason, *God exalted him to a superior position* and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,... *(How can someone be a Co-Equal God with Almighty God if he is exalted by Almighty God?)* • *Philippians 2:11* - However, this verse concludes that Jesus is Lord to everyone... except *to the glory of God the Father!* 🔴 *This totally contradicts the Trinitarian claim that Jesus is Co-Equal w/ the Father!*
Ok so do you think Jesus was like some form of spirit in heaven and God sent him to earth to die for us ? Like God give him that power to die for our sins? And to teach us about God in heaven? Or you think Jesus was making everything up lying .
No you aren't right. Not even close. The only God is Jesus Christ's God. The Bible also shows us that God the Father Himself declared that He alone is God and 99.99999% of Trinitarians aren't even aware of it. The doctrine of the Trinity is nothing more than a confirmation bias routine that disregards numerous Scriptural facts. There is no 3 person God which is why you won't find a 3 person God anywhere in Scripture and so you are forced to pretend a 3 person God is in view in selected verses wherever you think you can get away with it.
Mike is only confounding issues and misleading us....: why does Jesus' deity has anything to do with the Trinity? Why can't we reject the demon inspired teaching of Trinity (which the real Apostles of Jesus never taught: 1 Timothy 4:1-3; Acts 20:29-30; etc...) and accept Jesus' Deity? 1. Monotheism is not an issue at all! Instead the question is whether or not the word "God" has one, uniform meaning in the entire Bible or not! 2. What about the Holy Spirit? Let us accept that the Holy Spirit is just as "God", as the Father and the Son.... could you help us: - where does the Holy Spirit ask or request you to honor or worship him as Jesus does for example at John 5:23? - the Bible explains that we must worship God primarily because he created us! And it explicitly states that the Father created "all things" (Revelation 4:11); and Jesus (Colossians 1:16-18)....where does the Bible tell you EXPLICITLY as it does of the Father and the Son that the Holy Spirit created something let alone creating "all things"? If not why should he be worshipped? - why is the Holy Spirit missing in these scriptures (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Corinthians 15:27-28; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; Revelation 5:11-14; etc...)? Mike with all due respect, the so called traditional church was corrupt already in the second century: Acts 20:29-30; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; etc... By the way...many of you Trinitarians distinguish between what Jesus said while he was a living human and what he might say or do today! Please explain to us, these following scriptures written at least 50 years(81-99 CE) after Jesus resurrection: Revelation 1:1&6 why does "God" give him a revelation? Why does he call his Father his "God" Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 3:2...why is the Father his God even after his resurrection? 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 was written at least 25 years after Jesus resurrection: why is the Father never subjected to Jesus? Why will Jesus have to hand over the Kingdom to God the Father in the future? Mike: be humble Yes Jesus is indeed God but Trinity is simply a demon inspired...if you desagree...don't answer the easy questions... answer my questions and everyone will know the truth! Revelation 1:8 does not refer to Jesus at all! Send me your email address and I will help you realise what this scripture states!
Ok James Thomas: Any single scripture which EXPLICITLY states that Jesus is the Almighty God? Please don't give us your false interpretations of some scripture... I .said EXPLICIT because both Jesus and God, have no reason to depict Jesus as having a God himself, while he scythe almighty himself (Isaiah 42:1-7; Luke 4:18-21; Daniel 7:13-14; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Revelation 1:1 &8 Revelation 3:12; etc..) Explain why your God would be so depraved to lie to us in all of the above scriptures?
Unfortunately for us, it seems that Greek has only one word for "and" - και (kai). And that could mean "and", "also", "even", "so", "then", "too", etc. Copulative and cumulative. "Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." How about, "Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord even my God." ? This is more in keeping with the rest of the Bible.
Joh 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -Christ
And then several verses later, Thomas calls Jesus "Lord and God" in John 20:28
@@colin_priest REFUTING TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS' DECEPTIVE ARGUMENTS
Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"TRINITARIANS CLAIM THAT THOMAS BELIEVED JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE CALLED JESUS HIS GOD.
RESPONSE:
Scriptures prove that the use of the word GOD is not limited to "GOD THE FATHER"
EXAMPLES:
2Co 4:4 In whom the God [theos] of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God [theos], should shine unto them.
Both Gods in 2 Cor 4:4 means the same but we know that one is the devil.
G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God [eloheem] standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the Gods [eloheem].
Exo_7:1 And YHVH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God [eloheem] to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS ALSO CLAIM THAT AFTER THOMAS EXCLAIMED "MY LORD , MY GOD"...THAT JESUS AGREED WITH THOMAS ...THAT THOMAS WAS RIGHT TO BELIEVE HE IS GOD.
BUT HERE IS THE TRUTH:
Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Jesus told Thomas he has believed....BELIEVED WHAT? THAT HE IS GOD? NO! THOMAS BELIEVED THAT HE IS RISEN and alive...that is why he let Thomas insert his finger on him.
BECAUSE IF YOU WILL READ IN THE PREVIOUS VERSES BEFORE JOHN 20:29... THE FIRST TIME Jesus appeared to the disciples Thomas was not with them.
Joh 20:24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "UNLESS I SEE IN HIS HANDS THE MARK OF THE NAILS AND PLACE MY FINGER INTO THE MARK OF THE NAILS, and place my hand into his side, I WILL NEVER BELIEVE.."
@@colin_priest Lord and god are used for magistrates and angels.
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Did you hear what he said? The father is God, the son is god and also the holy spirit is god. But they are not three gods but one God. Does that make sense? you can never make 3 into 1. No matter whichever side you count it from, it will remain 3.
He should know better God is a spirit not a person and he is in Christ.
They say it’s only one God, but yet at the same time they say, Jesus is sitting on the right hand of the father literally???? They don’t understand. The right hand is symbolic for empower and authority not literally on the right hand because God is everywhere. He does not have hands and you can’t get on the righthand of something that fills ALL space.
I have 3 aspects: a body, a soul and a spirit. Am I 3 people or 1?😂
@@ashley_brown6106 Christian god consists of three person.
How many persons are you?
@@ashley_brown6106 You are just one person made in the image of God and God is just one person in Christ Jesus. The Father made Jesus Christ to be our God all things were made by Jesus Christ and for Jesus Christ.
There is no explaining the trinity from scripture. It's a man-made doctrine. Since you brought up John 1:1-3 I will provide my Biblical exegesis in it beginning with verse 1 as follows:
John 1:1
a. In the beginning was the word (ho logos),
b. and the word (ho logos) was integral to God (ton theon),
c. and divine (theos) was the word (ho logos).
Or: "and the word (ho logos) was divine (theos)."
Or: "and what God (theos) was, the word (ho logos) was."
James Moffatt, former professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Mansfield College in Oxford, England, and author of the well-known Moffatt Bible, agrees. He translated John 1:1c as,
“the logos was divine.”
In 1:1b, Ton Theon with the definite article is properly translated to English as "the God" with an uppercase "G" to signify it is referring to YHWH the only true God. Translators remove the definite article and use uppercase "G" to make God a proper noun referring to YHWH, the only true God (John 17:3).
In 1:1c, Theos without the definite article is normally translated as god with a lowercase "g" and is sometimes translated as "divine."
The divine translation more accurately applies here since there is no other deity mentioned.
In John 1:1 all three instances of "ho logos" do not refer to another person or lessor god. The word is YHWH's word, and more specifically the writer is referring to none other than the GOSPEL which was in YHWH's forethought from eternity.
The use of theos without the definite article, sandwiched between "ton theon" and "ho logos," indicates "theos" is being used as a predicate adjective to describe the spirit nature and qualities of YHWH and His word as being the same spirit, life, light, eternal, holy, and divine Logos. Both YHWH and His Logos are DIVINE.
"Ho Logos" is an attribute and possession of YHWH, not a person, not a lessor god, and not Jesus.
There is no Biblical basis for concluding that the second use of theos (without the definite article) is referring to a second person whose name is the word. The Author does not write: In the beginning was Jesus.
No other deity besides YHWH is mentioned in John 's Gospel. Jesus never refers to himself as "ho logos" and neither do the Apostles.
Quote:
"The second use of theos in John 1:1c serves as a predicate adjective rather than as a predicate noun." [citation: Maximillian Zerwick, Biblical Greek, Rome: Scripta Ponificii Instituti Biblici, 1963, p. 55, par. 171; p. 57, par. 176.
Regarding John 1:1b "pros ton theon"
It is incorrect to insist that "pros" points to another person (Jesus) as having an eternal preexistent relationship with YHWH. What John is telling us is exactly what the Bible teaches: the Gospel is of the same eternal and divine spirit nature as what YHWH is. There is an eternal relationship between YHWH and His word without the word being the person of Jesus.
According to Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon the preposition pros with the accusative, as in John 1:1, 2, is a marker of movement or orientation toward someone or something. The context determines if it is a person or a something.
Pros can mean a number of things such as, according to Bauer's: toward, towards, to, near, at, during, aiming at, striving toward, against, for, to indicate a connection by marking a point of reference, with reference to/regard to (about, because of, with respect to, which concerns, which belongs to, what makes for, in accordance with, in order to, for the purpose of),in adverbial expressions (“tends toward” Jas. 5:4) by, at, near.
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon adds the definition “pertaining to.” Also, various translations render pros with the accusative as: Concerning, as respects, pertaining to, of, even to.
Furthermore, the Greek word generally rendered as ‘with’ is para and not pros.
The assumption that "pros" means there is another person "with" God in John 1:1 can only be due to TRADITION. The mystics, Gnostics, and Philosophers like Philo infected the early church with a lessor god and /or logos theory that conflicts with the Bible.
People who insist on this interpretation overlook the Biblical evidence that "pros" can also be translated as "with" when referring to a something, rather than a someone. (Examples below).
NOTE:
The LXX renders pros ton theon as “to God.”
Eighteen other occurrences of pros ton theon in the New Testament Scriptures are translated as: “to God,” “toward God,” “related to God” or “pertaining to God.” For example, many translations render the phrase pros ton theon in Hebrews 5:2 as: “pertaining to God...” (NASB); “in relation to God...” (ESV); “related to God...” (NIV). Similarly, in Hebrews 2:17 and Romans 15:17.
The same or similar phrases are used in a number of other texts. Bauer’s choice of phrase for Romans 15:17 is “that which concerns God” in its rendering of "ta pros ton theon."
Regardless, there is Biblical evidence that "pros" can be translated as "with" when referring to a something integral to God such as his spirit, nature, attributes, word, wisdom, power, love, etc.. However, in my opinion: "integral to God" is more accurate. Truly God's word is an integral part of who God is (the self revealing one).
Job 10:12-16 informs us that God’s attributes such as life, love, wisdom, power are with Him.
Isa 40.10; 62.11 states “His reward is with Him.”
2 Kings 3:12 states “The word of the Lord is with him.”
In John 1:1 the Greek phrase "pros ton theon" refers to things and not a person. Other examples make this point clear. We have:
“things with God” (Heb 2:17; 5:1; Rom 17:15)
“conscience with God” (Acts 24:16)
“confidence with God” (2 Cor 3:4; 1 John 3:21)
“peace with God” (Rom 5:1)
“Faith with God.” (1 Thessalonians 1:8)
Jesus cannot be read into the text of John 1:1 as being YHWH or the word because YHWH and His word are not begotten or born. Jesus was begotten and born.
John 6:63 states God's word is spirit, meaning: of the same divine eternal spirit nature as YAHWEH.
God is a spirit. (John 4:24)
God's word is spirit. (John 6:63)
God's word does not become flesh. (John 3:6)
God's word is placed INTO Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18.
Jesus, the Son of God, is not the "word" (logos) of John 1:1. Rather, Jesus spoke his Father's logos....the very words he said belonged to his FATHER. (John 7:15-17; John 12:49-50; John 14:10; John 14:24).
The belief that the word of God became the flesh of Jesus conflicts with the Bible which teaches us that the word of God came THROUGH Jesus to humanity to dwell in our hearts and minds and transform us. The Logos of God was placed into Jesus by God. Deuteronomy 18:18; Acts 3:22
Trinity makes little sense(God = God, Jesus = God, Holy Spirit = God) and this idea in fact makes Christianity a polytheistic religion, because people worship God but also Jesus plus not only this. Christians also worship 100s of different saints. Nobody really worships the holy spirit but for some reason, it's there.
Many brilliant people in history, such as Isaac Newton, knew that the Trinity was, in fact, a heresy-a heresy against the First Commandment. Because the first commandment is super clear about this. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" By this logic - Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Maria plus all other saints are idols.
The guy went for over an hour and never showed us the definition of "God" according to the scripture.
The Godhead is simple, we were made in Gods image both body and Spirity.
Really, GOD is spirit, where is the body?
@@johannmeiring4208 Daniel saw God's glorious body in, Dan 10:5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: Dan 10:6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. The voice of a multitude tells us that those who have received the Holy Ghost speaking in an unknown tongue are added to the body of Christ as a habitation of the Spirit of Almighty God, being millions in number. Christ was the firstborn from the dead. Paul says this in, 1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. As the natural body is made up of trillions of cells so the Glorious body of God will be made up of trillions of people. John saw God in His body in the book of Revelation first chapter.
Saved me some time. I was wondering if he was ever going to get to the point, particularly explaining trinity from scripture.
@@seedfarmer0416 jesus said God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship with spirit and truth
The real reason why the doctrine of the Trinity can't be defended is because it doesn't exist. How can you defend something GOD NEVER SAID NOR TAUGHT. There are a plethora of scriptures that GOD HIMSELF said that disputes the Trinity. So, who are we to believe, GOD and HIS WORD or man's misconception of the nature of GOD, that they deem the Trinity.
There is NO TRINITY.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD THAT MAKETH ALL THINGS; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the EARTH BY MYSELF;
Deuteronomy 32:12 So the LORD ALONE did lead him, and there was NO STRANGE GOD WITH HIM.
Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and THERE IS NO GOD WITH ME: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD HE IS GOD; THERE IS NONE ELSE BESIDE HIM.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, AND I AM THE LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. IS THERE A GOD BESIDE ME? YEA, THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT ANY.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and THERE IS NONE ELSE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and THERE IS NO GOD ELSE BESIDE ME; A JUST GOD AND A SAVIOUR; THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy GOD from the land of Egypt, and THOU SHALT KNOW NO GOD BUT ME: FOR THERE IS NO SAVIOUR BESIDE ME.
Romans 3:29-30 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: SEEING IT IS ONE GOD, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
So, where is this so-called coexistence, being that the LORD has said over and over that it's just HIM and nobody else. Titles are not persons or entities. They all ascribe to the ONE SELFSAME GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
Isaiah 9:6 FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY.
Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of THE MYSTERY OF GOD, AND OF THE FATHER, AND OF CHRIST;
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, THE MYSTERY OF GOD should be FINISHED, AS HE HATH DECLARED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.
The MYSTERY OF GOD is NOT the TRINITY. THE MYSTERY OF GOD is that JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. That is what you should be defending because that is what's written. Not a concept concocted by the Devil himself.
1 John 5:20-21 And we know that THE SON OF GOD IS COME, and hath GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, that we may KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, and WE ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE, EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE. Little children, KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS. Amen.
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION but Satan is. It's the same old trick he pulled on Eve in the Garden. GOD says of HIMSELF, BY COMMANDMENT, HE IS ONE. The Devil says, HE IS NOT SURELY ONE, HE'S THREE.
Mark 12:29-31 And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: THIS IS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. THERE IS NONE OTHER COMMANDMENT GREATER THAN THESE.
Revelation 16:13-14 And I saw THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE BEAST, AND OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE FALSE PROPHET. For they are THE SPIRITS OF DEVILS, WORKING MIRACLES, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that GREAT DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
The TRINITY is AN IDOL, just like the molten calf Aaron made for the children of Israel, which caused them to SIN AGAINST GOD. We don't worship IDOLS nor defend them.
Absolutely NO TRINITY - but there is a devil who lives to beguile the world - many are called, but few are chosen
GOD IS ONE...LITERALLY!
All of Reality is One
Jesus said that when a man and woman marry they become one flesh.
How many people are in a marraige? All mono theistic people got it wrong... They say two... Actually it is 2 persons, but one flesh.. Same with God
Matthew 19:6 NKJV
[6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
So please stop your nonsense.....
Anyone who defiles God’s word is from the devil. Over 7000 times is reference made to God the Father and the Son.
No one has ever seen the Father except the Son who is sitting on the right hand of the Father. The Helper, the Holy Spirit, is in all believers hearts and is guiding us.
II Peter 1:20-21 NKJV
[20] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, [21] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
THE TRINITY OF GOD:
(No one has seen God the Father according to Scripture)
I John 4:9-13 NKJV
[9] In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world (if God is one then who did He send?), that we might live through Him (Jesus). [10] In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. [11] Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [12] NO ONE HAS SEEN God AT ANY TIME. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. [13] By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit (take note).
bible.com/bible/114/1jn.4.9-13.NKJV
@@samuelswanepoel7926Trinity lol sure . One God one Messiah. No third person as spirit . One God. One Messiah. Not two in one three in one . Just one God. One Messiah
@pakenhamin yes and stand side by side but God said there's no one beside him because he is one.
I think half the people commenting here, simply paused the video and never listened to a word.
Maybe they need the longer video.
ua-cam.com/video/p0cLKtR5kfE/v-deo.html
Yea. These Unitarians seem to avoid tackling clear scriptures explaining Jesus’s deity with verses that are explained by the doctrine of the trinity.
@@lisachambers3683 Trinity isn’t in the Bible because it is a term to describe what is in the Bible. It’s like omniscient or omnipresent. As for deity, here you go:
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,”
Colossians 2:8-9 ESV
@@lisachambers3683 the Bible describes Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit as the one true God.
@@lisachambers3683 yes. Jesus is a part of the Godhead.
Kinda weird that Jesus, God, the Holy Ghost, and Paul who wrote half the New Testament. Not one time ever did any of them ever say Jesus was God.
Be honest isn’t that odd? Hmmmm.
Paul did say that twisted teachings would come in carrying a Christian label after the first Century. Acts 20:30.
The Trinity would fit that description because people are still trying to figure it out.
Just look through this comment section and you’ll see how many people are either confused or completely deny the Trinity.
It's an unbiblical teaching
@@AstariahJW The doctrine of the trinity is biblical. To deny that is unbiblical.
The Trinity is a Catholic Doctrine ?
@@davegink9222 its not biblical. To bieleve it is calling Jesus a lier and Jehovah a lier
We dont wsnt to be against Jehovah and his son jesus
@@AstariahJW trinity is absolutely biblical, else we wouldn't be having it
John 13 : 20 " I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send
accepts me ; and whoever accepts me accepts the One who sent me."
The "ONE" who "SENT" me. One is the SENDER, and one is the.."SENT." Amen!
Denis Sutherland, Are you trying to prove that this verse is about Trinity? Just curious.... Thanks....
Joseph Durraz He's talking about agency. When prophets spoke the words given them by Yahweh, they spoke with the authority of Yahweh himself. "The word WAS God." The word of God is the authority of God. The person speaking it is not Yahweh, is not God himself. He is the authorized agent to bring God's authoritative word. If Jesus sends others to speak the same words of God, they are likewise agents of God's authority. If a person rejects God's words, they reject God himself, for "the word WAS God." Is God.
No, he is not trying to prove trinity.
@@hellisalie1138, Oh I see... but the topic is about Trinity, and I cannot figure out what he is trying to prove... So I thought he was trying to prove that the Trinity exists.... Why do you say hell is a lie? Please tell me what do you believe... Thanks....
Joseph Durraz Hi friend, thanks for the question. Usually people just jump to the part where they tell me i'm going to hell for not believing eternal torment is real, haha!
It's difficult to encapsulate the deconstruction of 1,600 years of tradition in a tidy paragraph or two, but i'll do my best.
The first problem is what it says about the Most High God. The whole counsel of scripture gives an understanding of God as being the pinnacle of wisdom, of justice, of mercy, of long-suffering, and of lovingkindness. Is an eternal existence in fire a just penalty for human sin? For even the worst, most wicked human who ever lived? The same God whose law to Moses required strict adherence to just punishmnents to be exacted on lawbreakers among the Hebrews? "An eye for an eye" is a fair punishment, it is equal to the offense. Does God require of man that he be more just than himself? Never, because clearly man can do nothing better than the Almighty, who formed him out of the dust. Eternal torment is so far outside of the realm of fair justice as to be utterly ridiculous, and a great offense to the God of true Justice. Such cruelty is literally unfathomable, and maligns the nature of Yahweh as revealed to us to a shameful and repugnant degree.
The foundation for the structure of the doctrine of eternal torment was the introduction of the belief in the inherent immortality of the soul, which is not taught in scripture. It entered early doctrine through the surrounding Greek culture, and the Grrek education that scholars received in the lands conquered by Alexander. Greece was imported to all of their annexed nations. It is for this reason that the original New Testament manuscripts are all written in Greek.
Educated converts to Christianity, in the esrly centuries after Jesus's day, were well-versed in the Greek classics and great philosophers. Their writings reveal the deepest respect and admiration for Plato, in particular.
These intellectual converts took elements of Platonic ideas and wove them into their understanding of scripture. For instance, Plato was a trinitarian. Plato was also an avid proponent and apologist for the belief in the immortality of the soul, which he taught would live on forever after the body died. This synthesis of Greek philosophy with Christian belief was not uncommon among the early "church" developers of more sophisticated (complicated) doctrines, because they disdained the simple faith of the uneducated masses that comprised most of the early "church."
This is how the belief in the immortality of the soul found its way into the belief structure of what would become the Roman Catholic church.
If everyone accepts this belief, then it isn't hard to see how punishment for the unbeliever, at the Judgment, would necessarily have to be endless, if the soul cannot die.
The misleading interpretations of the Greek words "aion, aionios, and aionion" as "eternity, eternal, everlasting," etc., only add to the confusion. "Aion" meams "age," not eternity. "Aionion" means "of an age," meaning some quality or chacteristic or event OF a paricular age (aion). These words do not translate as "forever."
John 3:16 says that "whosoever believeth on him should not PERISH, but have aionion life," or life in the age to come, as opposed to death in that age, which will be final. Death will be total and irrevocable (the "second death"), and as such, you could say that it will last forever, or be "eternal."
People will say, "Well what about THIS verse? Or THAT verse? Smoke of their torment rising forever? Worm dieth not?" and so on.
It is a huge knot to unravel, verse by verse, and this is already very long. I recommend searching youtubes on the subject, about why eternal torment is not scriptural, and can be refuted verse by verse. Many MANY Christians are coming to this understanding.
Preachers and orthodox apologists will start out by saying "Cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe this heresy that there is no eternal torment," which instantly poisons the well and discourages any believer from even researching the origins of the doctrine of hell. But i am just a simple Bible-believing follower of Jesus, and servant of the Most High God. And truth is truth, regardless of who does or does not believe it.
I'm sorry this is so long! There is no short answer, and i have only scratched the surface of this deeply-embedded tradition of man. May the Living God bless you on your path, in Yeshua!
No, YOU are not "right about the Trinity". The "problem" is this, that is, that the "Trinity" is not a Biblical doctrine. A doctrine is a TEACHING. Who in Scripture TEACHES the so called "Trinity"? Answer: No one does. Why doesn't anyone in Scripture TEACH the "Trinity"? Answer: No one in Scripture TEACHES the "Trinity" because IT is a CREED and not a Biblical doctrine or TEACHING.
Anyone can know what the "Trinity" is supposed to be. The best example is the Athanasian Creed. If anyone reads that Creed, he will KNOW exactly what the "Trinity" is purported to be. It is the definitive explanation of the "Trinity". It is not a mystery of any sort. The "problem", again, is that IT is a CREED which came AFTER the Roman Empire Counsel of Nicea in 325 A.D., and AFTER the Counsel of Chalcedon in 381 A.D., when Roman Catholic "Bishops" got together to FORMULATE that Church, not Bible, doctrine.
If the TEACHING of the "Trinity" can be found TAUGHT by anyone in Scripture, then it should be quite simple for anyone to READ it for himself. Why would any Christian need an Apologist like Mike, or some Bible Scholar, or a Pastor Teacher to EXPLAIN what the "Trinity" is if it is WRITTEN and TAUGHT in Scripture? Well, they do it because it ain't WRITTEN nor TAUGHT in Scripture. What happened to "Sola Scriptura"?
Creeds are not "Sola Scriptura", i.e., under the Authority of Scripture. This particular "Trinity" CREED belongs to the Authority of the 4th and 5th Century Greco Roman Pagan Catholic Church. The RCC gave BIRTH to that "three headed baby".
Mike can go on and on and on, ad infinitum, teaching what he and others believe to be "proof texts" for the "Trinity", but when we come down to "brass tacks" there is no TEACHING about a "triune god" in Scripture. Yahweh God is ONE God, ONE Being, ONE Person, which is clearly TAUGHT and WRITTEN by Men of God. He is a SINGULAR Being who addresses Himself to others in the Singular and never in the Plural. Anyone can READ for himself that Yahweh God is described as ONE and ONLY ONE Person. Jesus said that Yahweh God, his Father, is the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD", and God says, "There is NO OTHER beside Me".
Are we going to believe CREEDS and what modern Apologists have to say about them or are we going to believe what Authors have WRITTEN and which anyone can access in the Scriptures. I can READ yet I have never READ anything in Scripture which TEACHES that God is a "triune being".
Great explanation. Thank you Mike for taking the time to put this sermon together to help us understand who God is. I love the little jokes, and your humor. God bless you.
This guy doesn't even understand the trinity. It's nonsensical throru that no-one taught in the bible but man-made speculation
@@emchristian4793 You're absolutely correct - the trinity is from the devil - his signature is written all over it: chaos, confusion, insanity, blasphemy...
Scholars will debunk the Trinity. History proves its false. Scripture refutes the Trinity. God is ONE LORD.
Amen
He has to twist himself into a Pretzel trying to explain such a simple teaching. It would be so clear if you used God’s name for God and Jesus’ name for Jesus. There is no third person.
That means there is no Trinity.
I've often wondered why Christians continue to defend this doctrine. It's clearly not Biblical or logical. The amount of Scripture one must dismiss to hold this doctrine is amazing. Not only is it necessary to dismiss Scripture, but one must also reject logic and reason. In defending this doctrine, one actually relinquishes their authority to defend Scripture. If we claim this doctrine is simply beyond our ability to understand, we allow others to make the same claim about any absurdity they'd like. Someone can make any absurd claim about God and then say it's beyond our ability to understand. Thus, the Trinitarian is left with no recourse unless he relinquishes his doctrine.
You said it - once you allow absurdities to enter your doctrine, there's no more parameters between discerning orthodoxy and heterodoxy. All hermeneutics are dismissed along with logic, rationale and wisdom - the devil's heyday.
What's worse, they ascribe these idiocies to God - since God, according to them, is beyond our comprehension (He's not - the attributes: no, the magnitude: yes)), we can make up any nonsense that we like and claim it to be from God - they're piling up their sins
I totally agree. You may really enjoy this UA-cam Channel "Unitarian Anabaptist". He interviews this author who discusses the Birth Narratives from a Jewish point of view, where she interprets Jesus' birth narratives to be saying Jesus was the natural son of Joseph. If you like a good mind-bender, the two videos with the yellow room background on the Birth Narratives are a real treasure. The sound quality isn't good, but the content is a keeper.
Extremely insightful and well said - comprehensively speaking, the trinitarians have absolutely no leg to stand on. It's entirely insane how a grown man, let alone a Biblical scholar who has investigated the controversy, cannot reject the doctrine wholesale.
It is the worst and most blasphemous doctrine in all of Christendom - straight from the pits of hell.
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
1 Corinthians 2 : 10 - 16 But God revealed it through his Spirit, for the Spirit explores all things, even the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of man unless the spirit of man which is in him? So no one ever knew the things of God except the Spirit of God. It is not the spirit of the world that we have received, but the Spirit which comes from God, so that we may know the things given to us by the grace of God. The things we speak we do not speak in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things to spiritual people. A man who has no life but physical life cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. To him they are foolishness and he cannot understand them, because it takes the Spirit to discern them. But a spiritual man exercises his judgment on the value of all things, but he himself is under no man’s judgment. For who ever understood the mind of the Lord so as to be able to instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.
@@denissutherland3653
AMEN! WHERE IS THE NAME OF JESUS! THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES TO WHICH EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW INHEAVEN ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH YES IT'S MISSING.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
Revelation 5:8-14
New King James Version
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made [a]us kings[b] and priests to our God;
And [c]we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [d]ever!”
14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the [e]twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped [f]Him who lives forever and ever.
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HOW SIGNIFICANT CAN “GOD IS THREE BUT ONE”?
THE TRINITY as defined: Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one: their glory equal, their majesty co-eternal and almighty. God is three in one.-Athanasian Creed 5th Century CE
Firstly, YOU as an ordinary layman, do you personally agree? Most Christian strongly believe this without any knowledge of its origins. However, early Bible believers would quote Mark 13:32 ASV, which says,
“But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”
They would ask: ‘How can the Father and Son be equal, same and of one substance when the Son doesn’t know what father only knows?
Till now, framers of the Trinity, are still baffled,helpless and confused on this. However, earlier believers would reason on his words when …Jesus Christ many a times acknowledged his subordination to the Father. Do you ever hear these words of his read in church? For example, Jesus said:
“Father is greater than I am..” John 14:28 ASV
Again, Trinitarian believes Jesus is equal to God. But Jesus stated his father is greater than him. Doesn’t Jesus' words help you to understand how misleading the Trinity is? Additionally, compare yourselves with what earlier Christian Bible believers would ask: Why, Jesus further showed submission to his Father, when he prayed:
“Father, …remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42 KJV
Early Christians may further ask, Why does Jesus say that in his prayer, “not my will, but thine”? They know he is not praying to himself. Early Christian in Bible times know that Jesus doing not his will but ‘his father’s will’ was very important.
Finally, however, with a few “significant” reasoning, proving the Trinity doctrine is really confusing, misleading and mostly unscriptural. NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING
John 14:18 " I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you. Clearly Jesus is the comforter the Mighty God the Everlasting Father Prince of peace Isaiah 9:6.
When you get to heaven, you will see the Father on the throne. Who is sitting on his right side? How many is that? Case closed..now read the Bible with that in mind.
Good point. Stephen saw only two in his vision. God was seated and Jesus was standing by God's side. Acts 7:55,56
Just a point. No one will be going to heaven. A few have been chosen as co-rulers with Jesus.
Those who want to live on earth forever must qualify.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Obviously righteous people will never believe in a Trinity.
Though the bible says 30 times "God the Father" NOT ONCE does it say either 'God the Son' or God the Holy Spirit' Also the NT says a number of times "There is ONE God". But it NEVER says 'In three persons'. The 'trinity' is dogma & NOT biblical!
Wherever written God is one Deotr 6:4 you should read this verse in Hebrew the orginal in which Bible was written, if you read you will find the this is plural one not literary one,
Read Galatians 4:4 Who sent Jesus into the world ?
This is father who sent Son, here we can see two person Father / Son
@@elshaddai-jn723 Thats right! I get it! Sadly 'trinitarians' actually believe that 'God turned some of Himself into Jesus, while the real spirit of the 'Son' was still in heaven to keep the 'trinity' intact! Gal 4:4 wont satify them Iam afraid! You have to be more subtle than that!
@@elshaddai-jn723 I think you are trying to corrrect the WRONG person! I agree with you!
CAN JESUS BE THE SAME AS JEHOVAH AS CLAIMED BY TRINITARIAN IN ISAIAH 6:1-10 AND IN JOHN 12:37-41? NO!
Ref: The Forgotten Trinity - James White.
Mike for you. Pls take time to read. Also for the audience, scholars, bible students and deserving ones. To ascertain that the Trinity.
God Jehovah has no beginning.. ..he didn’t die any time.
Psalms 90:2 - “From everlasting to everlasting, you are God”
Isaiah 40:28 - “Jehovah is a God for all eternity”
Psalms 93:2 - “From eternity you have existed”.
Being eternal means no beginning, no wavering and no end
Jesus has a beginning, was begotten by Jehovah God.
Revelation 3:14 - “the beginning of the creation by God”
Colosians 1:15,16 - “ the firstborn of all creation;”…
Proverbs 8:22 - “Jehovah produced me,.. beginning of his way”
Then Jehovah God, created the earth, heavens and the master worker Jesus was with his father. (Proverbs 8:22-29)
Proverbs 8: 30 - “Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time…
So when Isaiah saw a vision of the heavenly courts where Jehovah was sitting on his lofty throne…Isaiah . . . saw his glory:, Isa 6:1, 8-10
Jehovah asked Isaiah:”Whom shall I send and who will go for us?”
Why are the pronouns “I” and “us” used here? The pronoun “I” stands for Jehovah God. The use of the plural pronoun “us” indicates that at least one other person was with God in Isaiah’s vision.
Only reasonable to conclude that when John wrote that Isaiah “saw his glory,” this refers to Jesus’ pre-human glory alongside God Jehovah.
This harmonizes with such scriptures as, where God said:
Genesis 1:26 - “Let us make man in our image.”
John 1: 1 - “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine (or god like one)
John 1:14 - “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father;…
Though Isaiah spoke about Christ, because a large portion of Isaiah’s writings focuses on the foretold Messiah. So by logical reasoning, we can conclude that in Isaiah’s vision, Jehovah was with Jesus and are not the same or co-equal. So Jesus' lofty position in heaven is not on Jehovah God’s throne. Jesus was always alongside. When resurrected he sits on God’s right hand. He is not co-equal to God, his God, his Father.Trinity is not a Bible Teaching.
Brother Mike I like your teaching but please read the below point and hopefully you will consider and review your teaching.
1. If the monotheism position on the Trinity, “one God manifesting Himself as three persons” is
valid, how can one God have two wills? Did Jesus petition another manifestation of
Himself in the Garden? “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my
will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42,
2. Did the Father send a manifestation of Himself to Earth or did He send another Deity
who had a will of His own, a Deity who was separate and distinct from Himself? Jesus
told the Jews, “For I have come down from Heaven not to do My will but to do the
will of Him who sent Me.” (John 6:38, )
3. Did the Father speak about His love for Himself when Jesus was baptized or did the
Father speak about His love for another member of Deity? “Then a cloud appeared
and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: ‘This is my Son, whom I
love. Listen to him!’ ” (Mark 9:7, )
4. During His final moments on the cross, did Jesus cry out to another manifestation of
Himself with a question? “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice,
‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ - which means, ‘My God, my God, why have You
forsaken me?’ ” (Mark 15:34, )
5. Paul said that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Did the Father raise up a
manifestation of Himself or did the Father restore life to a member of Deity who willingly
gave up His eternal life so that sinners could have it? “Paul, an apostle, (not of men,
neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised Him from the
dead.)” (Galatians 1:1, )
6. Jesus says that He was once dead and is now alive forever more. (Revelation 1:18) If
Jesus is a separate member of Deity who willingly gave up His eternal life so that
sinners could have it, the price of our redemption exceeds calculation. On the other
hand, if Jesus is a mere manifestation of the Father, God’s sacrifice for our sins
amounts to just suffering. Said another way, if the penalty for sin is death, God did not
pay the penalty for our sins because God Himself could not die (cease to exist) on the
cross and then resurrect Himself.
7. Finally, if there is one God who manifests Himself as three persons, why did the Father
search through the whole universe only to determine that another manifestation of
Himself (Jesus) was worthy to receive the book sealed with seven seals? (See
Revelation 5.) This prophetic story highlights the core issue between the doctrine of
monotheism (one God) and tritheism (three Gods). If the Father found Himself worthy to
take the book sealed with seven seals, what is the point of His search of the universe
only to give Himself the book which He wrote? If monotheism is true and there is only
one God, then Revelation 5 becomes a divine sham and we know this is not possible!
“Let God be true and every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) God is honest and always
above any hint of reproach.
When considering the previous seven issues, the idea of one God manifesting Himself as three
persons creates many logical and textual problems for which there are no solutions. The
greatest problem I have with monotheism is that the Bible is put into a position where it cannot be understood just as it reads.
If a Bible reader is willing to consider the idea that the Godhead (the Trinity) is made up of
three separate Gods who are united as one Deity, serving creation as one God in purpose,
plan, and action, the entire Bible will make perfect sense just as it reads. When people reach or
support conclusions built on religious bias, insufficient samples, inadequate knowledge, or
maligned opinions, these conclusions create many insurmountable problems and questions
resulting in confusion and more division.
Paul said The father raised him from the dead, but Jesus also said that HE will raise himself from the dead. God the father says I am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last. JESUS said those exact words in revelation😊
@@ryanlindback9393messiah was given authority to do so by the father… when all his enemies are under his feet he gives authority back to the father and worships along side us…..as far as beginning and end messiah is again speaking on behalf of the father…reread that part of revelation…. The whole chapter slowly 🥰
@@ryanlindback9393 Jesus spoke God's words, and, of course, God is the one who raised Jesus from the dead--see Acts 13:30. Jesus said plainly that he spoke the Father's words, not his own. Consider John 14:10; 12:49; 10:38; 8:28, 38.
Yes please for the love of one God reread slowly @@ryanlindback9393
You have to confess that Jesus is the son of God (not God ) in order for God to abide in you, and you in God. 1 John 4:15. Have you confessed that Jesus is the son of God ?
The blind leading the blind, have mercy on them Father.
You said it well
😆damage control!! Houston, we have a problem! Every year it’s getting harder and harder to defend the trinity doctrine, Mike is certainly trying hard, and failing. People are abandoning this sinking ship.
I hope that you're correct about trinitarians renouncing this idiotic and blasphemous nonsense
John 10:30 I and the father are one.
John 17:21 that all of them may be one, is you father are in me, and I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me
Always, always get the context of the scriptures by reading the scriptures before and after that....
So you're saying Jesus is Not God.
17:21 and 10:30 are very different contextually. Just because its the same book does not imply the same context
JOHN 10:30 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING ONE GOD OR ONE BEING!.
BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE WONDERFUL DEEDS YAHUSHA WAS DOING WHICH IS ALSO WHAT HIS FATHER DOES.
IN OTHER WORDS:
THEY ARE ONE IN MIGHTY DEEDS, NOT BECAUSE YAHUSHA IS THE FATHER YAHUWAH BUT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS IN HIM.
READ IN CONTEXT:
Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one."
Joh 10:37 If I don't do what my Father does, then don't believe what I say.
Joh 10:38 But if I DO WHAT MY FATHER DOES, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."
"ONE" AS IN UNITED IN PURPOSE! NOT ONE ENTITY OR BEING!
Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE , EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.
Joh_14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me WILL ALSO DO THE WORKS THAT I DO; AND GREATER WORKS THAN THESE WILL HE DO, because I am going to the Father.
@@mcb5602 you quote a lot from John 17. Care to recite verse 5?
@@domblack6288or verse 3...
Isaiah 9,5 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". His title is also MIGHTY GOD.
The Trinity is nonsense and Jesus is not God.
JEHOVAH is the ALMIGHTY GOD , The GOD OF GOD'S ? ? JESUS is the son of GOD a lesser god . Now a mighty god in the heavens ? ?
@@patrickpettyjr.2487 good luck with that.
@@lwmaynard5180 Saying, Jesus is a lesser God, contradicts everything in the Bible saying there is only one God.
LISTEN to JESUS when he said I'm going my way to the FATHER because the FATHER is Greater than I. That was his future goal . What's yours ? ?
What a load of concocted rubbish! how can Jesus be God if he is Gods son? If he was truthful he would answer - because he is Gods son he cannot be God. It is that simple. So much information in scripture that plainly states Jesus is Gods Son yet this guy twists scripture to make his trinity evil work
*Why are the following terms no where in scripture?...*
*(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)*
• *Trinity*
• *God the Son*
• *God the Spirit*
• *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead*
*The above terms are all based on Trinitarian Ideology...not in the Bible*
And where in the bible Jesus says I am angel Gabriel?
The only problem I have with the Trinity is saying "that is what God is." We have no clue. Has He revealed himself in this way? Yes. Has He said that is all I am? No. So making it a statement that we have to believe, makes no sense. The idea that we can completely understand God is just dumb.
He does tell us exactly who he is God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but if your saying our to understand in our human physical mind yes because there's nothing we can compare to it in the physical. I know without doubt who he is because he has said over and over in his word so I believe that nothing more or less I stand his word. Amen 🙏🏾
For crying out loud! He doesn't consider the fact, that Trinitarianism could be a Cult too! Having been raised & groomed in Trinitarianism! There are just too many flags! It just doesn't make logical sense to the language we understand! And God is not ambiguous in who He is to us! And doesn't change from the OT to NT...
Blame this on the bias adopted by our early Church fathers and the creeds and translations thereafter...
Amazing how we can misinterpret Scriptures away from God's Essence or Character to our understanding & convenience!
Just doesn't make sense how you can change monotheism into 3 personhoods...so if it's 1 God in 3 Persons! So is it 3 manifestations of 1 God! So why would God manifest Himself in 3 different ways...
Trinitarians try hard to defend their understanding but it sure looks flawed...and they deem every other reason as a Cult or heretic...which is wrong! The Apostles would be rolling in their Graves with this ideology running amok in taking over Christianity and being current day Christianity!
Winger doesn't make sense and sounds illogical in many of his arguments!
The number of people killed or executed for their reasoning or views by the Church! Is scary...and this was before the crusaders!...
God is straightforward and clear! Man corrupts and defines God to his convenience!
There is only One God! And that is God The Father! His Son and our King & Lord is Christ is our Savior in being anointed, appointed & pre-destined by God to give us another chance to re-unite with Him! And Because God has bestowed all Honor & Glory upon Christ we are to worship him and he is The Way, Truth & The Life! He is the very image & representation of God The Father! But Not God himself! Which is why Christ always submitted to The Father and deferred to Him in all things!
The Trinitarian bias has established its roots post the nicean creed....
This was one of the false views accepted and promoted by the Catholic Church and post the Reformation was adopted by the Protestants without any thought or reasoning that aligns with God and His Nature & Being!
Amen and praise the Messiah for blessing you to bring up biblical truth. We are doomed by 95% of christians but it is the Messiah who determines who will be saved. I have had a lot of fear mongering christians who already put me in hell
Here is the “first” foundational truth, according to scripture.
These are the first words Jesus preached:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus taught repentance and baptism.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
This is doctrinal truth!
Trinity is a pagan teaching. God said I am not a man nor the Son of man. If Jesus was God, the words SON OF would not be needed!
Jesus said that he has a God that Jesus worshipped with fear.
@@BigTimeFaith yep, Amen. Isa11vs1 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
2 The Spirit Of The Lord shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding,
The Spirit Of Counsel and Might,
The Spirit Of Knowledge and of the Fear of the Lord.
3 His Delight Is In The Fear Of The Lord,.
So, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
This video may help:
ua-cam.com/video/O_2iYSyus5I/v-deo.htmlsi=imRpfXSPBPWCj_2y
Early Evidence for trinity by inspiring philosophy
The words, "the FATHER is GREATER than I," are quite clear in their context; wouldn't YOU use them if YOU knew the SINGULAR nature of our GOD?
While in human form, as Jesus was separated from the father.
I'm going my way to the father , because the father is Greater than I ? The Christ is going away at a future time to recognize the superior STATUS OF HIS FATHER JEHOVAH . Listen to the Christ not to imperfect man ?
Americans can't read context past Sunday school. Sad
A single being is a single person Three beings are three people
I may have to listen to this again but I truly appreciate you reiterating these points. Being raised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I truly struggle with understanding this & grasping the idea of the Trinity. I’m trying but it’s exceptionally difficult for me to wrap my head around it. So I thank you for repeating & breaking it down, hopefully one day it’ll click for me.
For more understanding of the doctrine of God's Trinity, oblige yourself e-book download of "Jesus and the Trinity: What Many Believers Don't Know" from these platforms: order@pageturner.us/ amzn.to/3cljntB/ and adedejidavidadeoye.org. People have issue with the doctrine because they don't know how the soul of man originated, and its great contributions to understanding the concept of the Trinity of God from the trinity of man.
Cheyhorse 03 as long as you don't understand it there's hope. If you think it's clicked with you, then you've been deceived. Search out your roots for the truth.
@@staceygrove7295 why do you say this? I wrote this nearly a year ago. Since, I’ve prayed about it & come to an understanding of it. I am curious as to why you respond the way you do.
@@cheyhorse0382 I write because God wants everyone to come to know him, and Satan has used every sort of deceptive doctrine to prevent people from doing this. Jesus foretold the apostasy from the true teachings he taught people, in his illustration about the fine wheat and the weeds. He told the disciples that the enemy of man sowed the weeds amongst the fine wheat, but not to uproot them lest they pull up some of the fine wheat with the weeds. It is thought the weeds he was talking about were bearded darnel, which initially looks a lot like wheat. Jesus told the disciples that when the wheat is ready for harvesting then they would be able to tell the fine wheat from the weeds. This bearded darnel then looks very different at this stage from genuine wheat.(Matthew 13:25-30). The Apostles too warned of the Apostasy (Acts20:29,30, 1 Timothy 4:1-32, Timothy 4:3,4. Tickling the ears was necessary to convert pagans back in the post-Apostolic times to convert them to the corrupt form of 'Christianity' that had developed, and included accepting pagan beliefs in order to encourage them into the church. Other such teachings being the immortality of the soul, Easter, and Christmas. There are indeed many more teachings and many more scriptures about the coming apostasy, but please look into the above for yourself for the time being. The fact that many ancient cultures such as the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, etc had trinities of gods should be evidence enough that the teaching had a pre-Christian beginning. Please look into these things it is essential if you want to truly know God and how he wants to be worshipped acceptably. If you go to www.jw.org you will find a lot of information on all of the above. Have a good day.
You fail to understand it because it's not the truth. You know withing you it's a false pagan teaching.
Did you notice that under the video frame, Mike Winger claims to use the book of John to "evaluate the doctrine of the trinity and carefully explains what it
means for Christians to have one God who is Father, Son, and Spirit"? Let's see if Mike can live up to his word. To begin with, under the video frame, Mike Winger alludes to John 1:1-3, which says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
In the verses above, does it say or imply that the "one God" consists of the Father, Son, and holy spirit? Absolutely not! In most popular versions of John 1:1, it's not the trinity that is said to be God. Instead, it's the "Word" [Jesus]. As John 1:1 says in part: "...and the Word was God." Does that sound like one God consisting of Father, Son, and Spirit? Not a chance!
In the video above, Mike Winger's first reference to the book of John is John @. There, Jesus says, in part: "The Father is greater than I am." Could this verse be about a three-person deity, consisting of Father, Son, and Spirit? Answer: it couldn't be since Jesus is speaking of only himself and his Father. The holy spirit isn't even mentioned. And another thing, John @ contradicts the trinity doctrine, which says, in part: "In this trinity, NONE is greater or less than another." However, Jesus said: "The Father is greater than I am." So far, Mike Winger has failed miserably to prove the trinity belief by the book of John. But, let's go on. Maybe things will change.
Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, which says: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, where Jesus said: "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, which says: "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!! BTW, the Jews who wanted to stone Jesus did not believe their God was a trinity. As they said to Jesus just before they tried to kill him: "The only Father we have is God himself." (John @)
Mike Winger's next reference to the book of John is John @, where Thomas said to Jesus: "My Lord and my God." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Mike Winger's last reference to the book of John is John 1:1, which says, in part, in most Bibles: "...the Word was God." In this verse, does it say or even imply that there is "one God who is the Father, Son, and Spirit"? Answer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
So, did Mike Winger live up to his claim to use the book of John to "evaluate the doctrine of the trinity and carefully explains what it means for Christians to have one God who is Father, Son, and Spirit"? Absolutely not! This makes Mike Winger a liar.
Why is the doctrine of the trinity necessary for Christianity, anyway? I struggle with this question. To follow up, if a person believes that Christ was a man, was the son of God, performed all the miracles described in the Bible as an agent of God, was maybe in existence in heaven with God before man, and so forth, but does not believe in the divinity of Christ, where does that person fall? Christian (destined for heaven for eternity) or Not Christian (destined for hell for eternity)?
The Lord JESUS CHRIST clearly said: “I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24 Aramaic translation).
GOD is the only one who can save us and NO ONE else (Deuteronomy 32:39). If The Lord JESUS CHRIST was only a man HE can not saved us as it is written "No man can possibly redeem his brother or pay his ransom to God.
PrintOfLife , this passage is so ambiguous. Jesus constantly says that the father sent him, the father is with home, and the father has not left him. It can just as easily be interpreted to evidence that the father and Jesus are separate. Of this is such a central tenant of Christianity, you would think that Jesus would not be so ambiguous about it.
@@PrintOfLife You are clearly a liar and you will remain one. Jesus never said that I am the living God and there's no greek text which states that.
Just because you don't follow the catholic trinity doesn't mean one thinks Jesus was only a man. Jesus is the son of GOD. The messiah. Sent to speak the Word of GOD. Jesus had a human mother but no human father. GOD is the Father.
@@PrintOfLife He certainly did say that he is the living God in John 8:24. He clearly said that he is the Messiah and throughout the whole chapter.
Falsehood is by its nature self contradictory. It doesn't matter how many brilliant minds try to make sense of the trinity, it will forever remain confusing and contradictory.
The Trinity doctrine is FICTION DICTION , A TOTAL CONTRIDICTION ? ? ? It is a ORCHESTRATED COMEDY OF ERRORS ? ? ? 😁 😄 😅 👎😨😲
Can you please explain how you understand that John 1:1-3 explains 3? I see two personages: The Word (who later became JC-The Son) and God (The Father)
I see two Gods.
@@lesliesavage9229 Yes-TWO Gods!
@@Christine-vg2zv :)
Ya theres not 1 or 3 . Theres 2
Jw got it write when they translate it as word was a god
John also writes at verse 18 no man has seen God at anytime
This rules jesus out as almighty God
JEHOVAH gets the Lions Share ? Hence no trinity
For people who say “The Spirit is not the Father and the Father is not the Spirit” explain this one… seeing as your Pat answer is “ Let’s go to scripture!”
Mattthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you..
The Spirit is always spoken of as “ Of” God not “From” God because as scripture shows above it is the “ Spirit OF the Father” I mean just how many spirits do people think there is? And people think they can explain God with stupid little triangle analogies.
Muslim here I have, couple questions.. What passage of the bible limitd god to three persons? Who decided 3? Can there potentially be a 4th on the way in the future? If not why?
There’s not one passage that sums up the trinity. Mike mentions the many passages that reveal the trinity in the video. As far as a “4th god”, the only mentions of other “gods” I know of is in Psalm 82, which “god” seems to be used as a title for earthy judges and priests. The only claim of big G “God” has been made by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The trinity is a lie
@@domblack6288He not even one mention the attributes of God.
All Trinitarian claims are false. Mike Winger even associates non-trinitarians as a cult. This is also false. To debunk Mike or any other trinitarian, all you do is take them to the origin or history of said doctrine. The origin reveals how certain men brought this pagan teaching into the Church. Don't believe me? Ask Mike to make a video on the origin of the trinity. He will not.
@@jjw00dw
1. God, moves by his Spirit (God is Spirit),
God was manifested in the flesh!
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself:
1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3).
1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS!
2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.”
3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…”
4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31)
4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity."
5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.”
6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.”
6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.”
7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23)
7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.”
So, do the Bible and the Catholic trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! As the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.”
Mike Winger is just one of many ignorant preachers who have deceived their followers into believing that God is a trinity while at the same time telling them that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are separate Gods. It's too bad that they can't accept simple Scripture that says the Father is the "one God" of the Bible, not a trinity. Consider the following scriptures:
1. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2. "[There is] one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." (Eph. 4:6)
3. "For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5)
4. Jesus called his Father the "ONLY true God." (John 17:3)
5. The Jews said to Jesus: "The only Father we have is God himself." (John 8:41)
Don't let Mike Winger fool you into believing in a non-existing triune deity.
No you're very wrong brother please read your bible very carefully and don't read text out of context you will mislead your self.
@@jeffkulola8795 maybe he did and you are the one who is misled.
@@salman13 if you read his comment you will notice that there is a lot he mis represent the Bible. Example his last last comment said jew told Jesus they had one God.so even if jew didn't know the truth the commentor take it as final authority. By the way final authority is Jesus himself because he is fully God. See my other comment in the topic regards trinity. Hope this clarify.
@@jeffkulola8795 Jesus is not the final authority, God is. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, so that God may be all in all. The Father is not subject to the Son. Jesus is not God. Jesus is the Son of God.
I have found that the deeper you dig into the nature of God, the more complex He becomes. It’s as if we were never meant to fully understand, but simply to believe what we are told. I can see a strong argument for a triune God. The problem is that we often base our assumptions on conjecture, which makes the discussion more philosophical than theological, and therefore subject to considerable error-or at least it has that potential. However, if we base our assumptions about the nature of God solely on Scripture, allowing the Bible to exegetically explain who He is through His Word, we are compelled to conclude that He is one: the Father, Almighty God, the one and only YHWH.
A trinity of persons was unknown in the apostolic church, but was hatched by the Nicene Council, and from that was introduced into the Roman Catholic church, and from that again into the churches separated from it.
The Bible itself gives us the doctrine of the trinity. Even if the word “trinity”
does not exist in the Bible
What’s your evidence?
@Dom Black my friend Angelkind is from mankind. That's true, for the Lord creates the spirits of angels in the midst of men on earth. No man, no Angel. Revelation 22:6-9. Amen 🙏. Thank you, Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️ 🙌. Amen 🙏
LORD GOD, THE FATHER, AND YESHUA (JESUS) ARE ONE NOT TRINITY
In the beginning, after God completed the creation of Adam, Adam was not yet alive. According to Genesis 2:7, And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The human body cannot have life if the breath of life or spirit from God does not enter at each birth in this world.
When the baby Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb, the Spirit of God (the Word) gave Him life. As described in Luke 1:35, And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." This signifies that Jesus' body was a human body, known as the Son of God, because His spirit was the Spirit of God. John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
This grand plan allowed God to die on the cross, and through Jesus’ human blood, humanity’s sins were cleansed, and the old laws were sealed. When humans die, their bodies remain on earth, while their spirits are brought to Abraham for salvation or to the realm of the dead for punishment if they lacked faith and righteousness in life. Similarly, when Jesus Christ surrendered the Spirit of God and His body to the Father, the Spirit of God departed from Jesus' body. This is why Jesus declared, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani," before His final breath, as His body recognized that the Spirit of God would depart upon His death.
On the third day, the Spirit of God returned to Jesus’ body. Through God’s power, Jesus was resurrected, transforming His human body into a divine one. Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, glorified as King of kings and Lord of lords, and took His place beside the Father in divine authority, known as the Lord Jesus.
The Unity of the Father and the Lord Jesus
Lord Jesus and the Father are One, not three in one, nor a Trinity. The Lord Jesus continually instructs believers to live by the Spirit, not by the flesh, as the flesh cannot comprehend the Holy Spirit. In Revelation 22:12-13, Lord Jesus say, “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."
Summary:
Jesus Christ = Son of Man / Son of God
God = The Holy Spirit (The Word)
Father = The divine authority of God left in Heaven, while the holy Spirit of God entered Mary’s womb, bringing life to Jesus Christ for His mission of salvation. The Father remained in Heaven to impart spirit to every child in the womb.
The Lord Jesus is always with us.
Amen.
John:1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. No mention of Holy Sprit.
So what? How does that make the fact the the Spirit is God untrue?
Richard Walker
It's 1 John 1:3 that you quoted and you didn't see the Holy Spirit because you didn't the whole chapter book of 1 John.
1 John 5:7-8
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
How about other verses with Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Bible and all in the same verses?
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”
Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”
Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”
Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”
Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”
Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”
Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”
1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
@@rickdavis2235 God bless you CONTINUALLY brother!
The Tri-une Nature of God is in the Everey one book of the Bible, but ONLY if you are Born again by the Holy Spirit you will receive wisdom and revelation!
Jesus (the WORD/the MEMRA) in the O.T. Jeremiah 1:4-9, Genesis 3:8, Genesis 17:1......
The Holy Spirit in the O.T. Genesis 1:2 (Also when God appeared as CLOUD and FIRE - this is the Holy Spirit (the Shekhinah - the Visible Manifestation of the Holy Spirit)
Maranatha!
@@НатанаилСталев-ф2р
Thank you. My church is having a bible study about finding Jesus and the Holy Spirit throughout the Old Testament.
God bless you too.
@@rickdavis2235 I hope this verse will help you bro! (Jesus in the O.T.)
Genesis 35:9 The God of eternity, whose name be Blessed for ever and ever, hath taught us precepts which are beautiful and statutes that are comely: He hath taught us the blessing of matrimony from Adam and his bride, as the scripture expoundeth. And the Word of the Lord blessed them, and the Word of the Lord said to them, Be strong and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it. He hath taught us to visit the afflicted, from our father Abraham the Righteous, when He revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision, and gave him the precept of circumcision, and made him to sit in the door of his tent in the heat of the day; as the scripture expoundeth and saith, And the Word of the Lord revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision. And again He hath taught us to bless those who mourn, from our father Jakob the Righteous: for He revealed Himself to him on his coming from Padan of Aram, when the way of the world had happened to Deborah, the nurse of Rivekah his mother, and Rahel died by him in the way, and Jakob our father sat weeping and bewailing her, and mourning and crying. Then wast Thou, O Lord of all worlds, in the perfection of Thy free mercies revealed to him, and didst comfort him, and blessing the mourners didst bless him concerning his mother, even as the scripture expoundeth and saith, The Word of the Lord revealed Himself unto Jakob the second time on his coming from Padan Aram, and blessed him.
Many blessings to all in your church in Jesus Name, Amen!
God is One and ALONE
His name is JESUS
Deut 6:4 HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God the Lord is One
Jesus said ye call me Master and Lord ye say well for so I am Jn 13:13
Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God is One Lord (Mark 12:29)
Question
Who is One Lord..?
Answer
Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord ( 1CORT 8: 6)
I am the Lord and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME (Isa 45:5)
Very Very Clear Verse
I AM THE LORD
AND THERE IS NONE ELSE
THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME.
I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end Saith the Lord, which is, which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY (Rev 1:8 )
Deut 4: 39 Therefore know this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord himself is God in heaven Above and on the Earth beneath, THERE IS NO OTHERS
JESUS IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY
Seeing see not , hearing they hear not,,,
The Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 6:4 uses the divine name YHWH (Jehovah in English) twice: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." The fact that the majority of Bibles in English omit God's name in this verse and many other verses contributes to the confusion that surrounds the identity of God. When someone unversed in the Bible reads the word "Lord" in their Bible, they most likely think only of Jesus. They are not able to distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus. 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Only the Father is God for Christians. Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
In Revelation 1:8, the one who says he is the Alpha and the Omega is called the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Verse 4 refers to this same person who is called "him who is, and who was, and who is to come." Then in verse 5, Jesus is spoken of as a *different* person - "and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not the one who calls himself the Alpha and the Omega.
Above comment. You e rrJehovah alone is God .Jesus is his son
@@dreameruy9510
Because God Gave Him tge Authority Matt28vs18 John3vs34
For He Whom God Has Sent Speaks The Words Of God, For God Does Mot GIVE* The Spirit by Measure. 35 The Father Loves the Son, and Has GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HAND.
Ps91vs1 He Who Dwells In the Secret Place Of The Most High (Matt16vs16-17)
Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
John14vs10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My Own Authority; but the Father Who DWELLS in Me Does The Works. 11 Believe Me That I Am In THe Father and the Father In Me, or else Believe Me for the Sake of the Works Themselves.
We have not been instructed to study the trinity anywhere in scripture.
NIMROD invented the TRINITY , The Great opposer against JEHOVAH , adopted by the Roman Catholics ? ? Mike is a sub Catholic because he is obsessed with the PAGAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY ? ? ? 😨😲👀
The Trinity is taught to you through the Bible. Just because it isn’t called the Trinity, doesn’t mean the doctrine isn’t being taught to you though scripture.
@@davegink9222 How exactly does believing or not believing in the Trinity affect a person's walk with God?
@@centurionguards3819 where did I say it did? But denying it is denying God’s nature. And denying the teachings of scripture.
@@davegink9222 Dave I've heard several debates on this subject and all it is is a waste of everyone's time. It's like the Pharisees arguing with the Sadducees. When the kingdom people get on with God's business of preaching and teaching people about the good news and taking dominion in the spiritual realm.
BAPTISM
IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
HOW DID THE EARLY CHURCH INTERPRET CHRIST'S COMMAND IN MATTHEW 28:19? ACTS 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, and 19:5 are four Biblical references that answer this question. If the Biblical record is not enough, please examine the findings of the educated, scholars, and historians.
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365 - Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century.
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 - The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.
Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2 - Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263 - Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Schaff - Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435 - The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88 - It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus.
IS IT AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY THAT THE NAME OF JESUS BE SPOKEN OR CALLED OVER A CANDIDATE FOR WATER BAPTISM WHEN HE IS BEING BAPTIZED? For the answer to this question, please read Acts 15:17 and James 2:7 [Greek Linear]. First Century Christians INVOKED OR CALLED the name of Jesus over believers in water baptism. If, as some say, "the name of Jesus means the authority of Jesus', then so much more should the NAME, rather than titles, be called over an individual in baptism. Read Matthew 28:18, Acts 4:12 and Colossians 2:9. Jude 3 is an exhortation to "CONTEND FOR THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS." See Galations 1:8-9 also. Should anyone dare to change what Christ and the Apostles established?
BAPTISM
1. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON & HOLY GHOST
-or-
2. IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST
Which of These Were Practiced
By the Apostles in the Early Church?
BELOW ARE TWO COLUMNS FOR LISTING THE SCRIPTURES WHERE THE APOSTLES EITHER TAUGHT OR PRACTICED WATER BAPTISM.
IN JESUS NAME
JEWS - "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:38.
SAMARITANS - They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8:16.
GENTILES - He commanded them to be baptized in the name of Lord Jesus. Acts 10:48.
PETER TAUGHT - There is none other name given whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12.
PAUL TAUGHT - Whatever you do, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus. Col. 3:17.
FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST
Matthew 28:19 was a command by Jesus to baptize in a NAME. The Apostles did not repeat the words of the command, but they did obey it as seen in the scriptures above. Since Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles of the mainifestations of the Almighty Spirit and His body, the Apostles understood His SAVING NAME to be JESUS. Can any dare say that the Apostles disobeyed the Lord, or failed to baptize properly? THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST IS LORD JESUS CHRIST. The actions of the Apostles in the Book of Acts prove this to be true.
BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME
According to The Bible
JESUS TAUGHT - THAT REPENTANCE & REMISSION OF SINS SHOULD BE PREACHED IN HIS NAME BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM." Luke 24:47
PETER OBEYED - "REPENT & BE BAPTIZED EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS." Acts 2:38-39
SAMARITANS - ". . .THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Acts 8:16
GENTILES WERE COMMANDED - "HE COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF LORD JESUS." RV. Acts 10:48
PAUL RE-BAPTIZED - ". . . WHEN THEY HEARD THIS THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Acts 19:3-5
NO OTHER NAME FOR SALVATION - ". . .THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED." Acts 4:10-12
EVERYTHING DONE IN JESUS NAME - "WHATSOEVER YOU DO IN WORD OR IN DEED, DO ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS." Col. 3:17
The above scriptures are not given to refute Matthew 28:19 where JESUS told Apostles to baptize in the name of the FATHER, & OF THE SON, & OF THE HOLY GHOST. They merely show how the command was interpreted and obeyed by them.
The Apostles knew what most religious leaders of today fail to recognize. First: That the Lord Jesus Christ is the family name. Eph. 3:15. Second: That the FULNESS of the GODHEAD (Deity or God) dwelleth bodily in CHRIST. Col 2:9
They knew the name of the SON was JESUS. Matthew 1:21. They knew that the SON came in the FATHER'S name. John 5:43. They also knew that the HOLY GHOST was the SPIRIT of CHRIST and would come in JESUS NAME. John 14:26.
The name JESUS means JEHOVA SALVATION. Faussets' Bible Encyclopedia. Page 359.
BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME
According to History
BRITANICA ENCYCLO. - The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366.
BRITANICA ENCYCLO. - Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Vol. 3, page 82.
CANNEY ENCYCLO. OF REL. - The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of Trinity Doctrine in 2nd century. Page 53.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLO. - Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. Vol. 2, Page 263.
HASTINGS ENCYCLO. OF REL. - Christian Baptism was administered using the words, "IN THE NAME OF JESUS." Vol. 2, Page 377.
The use of a Trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in early Church History. Vol. 2, Page 378.
Baptism was always in name of the Lord Jesus until time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula used. Vol. 2, Page 389.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLO. - Justin Martyr was one of the early Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church. Vol. 8
HASTINGS ENCYCLO. OF REL. - Name was an ancient synonym for "person." Payment was always made in name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus name became his personal property. "Ye are Christs." Vol. 2, Page 377 on Acts 2:38.
Very good points!
You said it yourself- the word trinity is not in the Bible. Neither is that stupid idea in the Bible.
The Trinity in a nutshell , that's is Mikes head ? 😁 with a Wing nut twist 😨
I became Christian in 1976 when I was 18. I didn't grow up in a religious family. We were very secular, so I didn't have any preconceived doctrines. I knew there was supposed to be a trinity, but when I read the Bible, I couldn't see it in the scriptures. So I'm not trinitarian. I asked God to reveal it to me in the scriptures. And what He revealed to me is that He is the Holy Spirit. So the Father and the Son are both the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is their being. And there is only one Holy Spirit. Yes, wherever the Father and the Word are, there will also be the Holy Spirit, because they are the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not a third person.
Before He became the Son of man, Jesus did exist with the one we call the Father. John 1 says He was with God in the beginning and He was God. They were both YHVH. Our minds always try to diagram or picture things. This is how my mind pictures it. Draw a circle. That circle is the Holy Spirit. Now write Father and Son inside that circle. You can't draw an infinite circle, but the circle is infinite. That is how I visualize it now. But when I think of it before Jesus came as the Son of man, I think of the same circle with YHVH written inside. But it is the exact same thing, except He hadn't taken on the flesh yet. But within YHVH there are still the two personifications. The Holy Spirit is the whole of YHVH, it is His being. So when the Holy Spirit comes to us, it is the Father and the Son coming to us in their Spirit.
Lu @ If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Ro @ The Spirit ITSELF beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Ro @ ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit ITSELF maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
2Co @ Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the EARNEST of the Spirit in our hearts.
An earnest is a down payment.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the EARNEST of the Spirit.
Php @ For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Jesus said He and the Father are One. He also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." The reason He could say that is because they are both the Holy Spirit.
Hopefully, the Holy Spirit led you to this video for a reason.
Many years I was so confused, some teachers said God is Trinity, some said Jesus is not equal to the Father, He was just a beloved Son that the Father sent. But recently a year ago I prayed and prayed and seek hard, read over and over the whole bible, Then I came to understand that the Father, son Jesus, and the Holly Spirit are one being, one God, "not 3 person one God". If you want to know the Truth,
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you Mathew 7:7 kjv
God bless you brother mike
I don't think trinity is a good explanation of the Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv.
Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself.
The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I think trinity is an unfortunate leftover from the Catholic church that Martin Luther should have nailed to the door. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Look at these entries from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Catholic Encyclopedia
Trinity: The Dogma of the Trinity:
The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion-the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are THREE PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these THREE PERSONS being truly distinct one from another. The Persons are CO-ETERNAL and CO-EQUAL: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Divine Persons are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin TRINITAS is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the TRINITY of God [the Father], His WORD and His WISDOM” (“AD. AUTO1”., II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of TRINITAS in Tertullian (“De pud”, c. xxi, P.G., II 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of origin. The writers of this school contend that The doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but it was first formulated in the second century and recieved final aprobation in the fourth century, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299:
The formulation “one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the fourth century. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma.” Among the apostlic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.
The false doctrine of the trinity. I am thankfull to be freed from this false hood..
John17:3 proves it all, as well as where Paul says there is only one mediator between GOD and man, the MAN Jesus Christ.
Also where Jesus asked his diciples, who do you say I am. Peter's answere was clearcut, the Christ. Jesus had the oppertunity to to put his own possition in perspective. So stop proclaiming a false Jesus Christ. Also a good read is where Paul rebuked the Galatians in the 1st chapter about their flawed view of our saviour. If you can show me one verse that might infere 3 gods in one god scinario, let me know. Neither will you find the phrase/verse where it says "god the son" . I can show you Son of GOD a few places. Come on, read the scriptures for what it says, and leave the confusion behind.
2Cor 1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
It’s not as simple as 1 verse. Any verse can be taken out of context and misused.
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.””
Genesis 1:26 ESV
We see here that God is referring to himself with a plural pronoun. This is given greater context by John 1. Let’s look at these next 3 verses.
“So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.”
John 2:18-21 ESV
“this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”
Acts 2:23-24 ESV
“If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”
Romans 8:11 ESV
If you don’t believe in the trinity, then there’s a bad contradiction in scripture. Furthermore, Jesus couldn’t raise himself up from the dead if he was just a man.
Mike Winger goes into much greater detail in this video about Colossians 2, Jesus’s claims of deity in the book of John, and more. The trinity can’t be denied.
*No Trinity*
Respectfully Sir,
*John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
*How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔
Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12)
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]*
*[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]*
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Why does Jesus say " *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28)
*[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"*
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• *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
*How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔
• *Matt. **26:46* - About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: *"Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?”* that is, *“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”*
*(How can Jesus be Almighty & need help from his "God & Father?")*
*Why are the following terms no where in scripture?...*
*(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)*
• *Trinity*
• *God the Son*
• *God the Spirit*
• *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead*
To be absolutely HONEST, Mike, "Truly God--Truly man" is the very SAME thing as saying, 100% God--100% man."
And by the way--why did you think you had to "shuffle" around the definitions again, anyway? What I'm seeing MORE and MORE, is trinitatians scrambling to attempt making some kind of SENSE to their doctrine by ADDING 'new-fangled' words, and clever DICTION--including some BIG words taken out of the Hebrew or Greek that really do NOTHING in defending Trinity. I also see/hear a good measure of PHILOSOPHICAL RHETORIC that's intended to somehow QUALIFY this "Dark-Age" doctrine. You honestly thought "Truly God--Truly man" would supply more substantial 'grit' to the argument? Again; ONE GOD--ONE HOLY SPIRIT! It's really THAT simple! Jesus was "Born" of the "virgin Mary." Why must you turn this into Theologic Calculus? Well, no hard feelings. God bless you all in the coming year.
@@raygabrelcik2578
Sorry, it is you that are unlearned in the scriptures. I have been following your remarks. Jesus is God Almighty. And the Triune God is the God of the Bible.
@@jamest1411 Mr. "JAMES T," I cordially, and respectfully invite you to introduce your apologetic. But please remember, I do not tolerate harsh put-downs, and blatant disrespect of ones charactor--the LORD GOD HIMSELF is listening--let's keep that in mind. Thank you, good brother.
@@raygsbrelcik5578
Already done that with you. You failed to address not one single issue of the scriptures provided to you that Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah is Almighty God.
Gave me the verse where's written in the Bible abt 100% God and 100% Man
@Matthew 3:16,17, these two verses shows the three in the same space and time. God bless you on your journey.
Mike you are brilliant by the grace of God bc you make the argument for the wisdom of God using the Greek OT text (LXX) and the very intentional design behind His keeping humanity free from the "Hebrew" for 1100y after Jesus was here *_and you do not even realize_* you have just made the arguments!! Yes. Indeed and FACT: God used Greek on purpose and we should not be anxious to overthrow the word and names Jesus manifested unto us *_in the Greek_* . God meant to do that.
I love God!
Thanks Mike.
John 1:1
1) drive.google.com/file/d/1A-MqX2_DlbzVqtdWtYRWJxahAL32RJDF/view?usp=drivesdk
2)
www.scribd.com/document/401322675/Grzegorz-Kaszyński-145-translations-not-rendering-theos-ēn-ho-logos-as-the-Word-was-God-John-1-1
3)
www.scribd.com/document/50330864/John-1-1-List-of-Alternate-Readings
@@lisachambers3683
YOU: "in Greek it doesn't say Jesus is God"
vs
JESUS: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"
You have been mortally misinformed. Jesus ABSOLUTELY refers to Himself as God by the VERY NAME OF GOD *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* , and it is so particularly CLEAR in the GREEK that He warns you and EVERYONE in John 8:24 that if you do not believe He is GOD, you will die in your sin!
Jesus point BLANK calls HIMSELF by the name of GOD of the Old Testament *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* several times:
Εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν · ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν .
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (Acts9:5)
the Jews knew EXACTLY what Jesus was saying about HIMSELF, "making Himself EQUAL with GOD" (John 5:18)
He refers to Himself as the Ancient of Days coming in the clouds
"Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Mt 24:30, Mk13:26, Lk 21:27)
The High Priest rent his clothes when He heard the "blasphemy" of Jesus referring to HIMSELF as GOD:
But He held His peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, and said unto Him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
(Mark 14:61-63)
The APOSTLES referred to Jesus as GOD:
Thomas:
And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28)
ALL things were created by Him (John 1:3)
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour (!Tim 2:3)
and John 12:41 explains that it was JESUS that Isaiah saw in Isaiah 6...
so you are just confused and need a little more explanation about this stuff...
I'd look up Mike Heiser, he did a GREAT video on the distinct persons of the Jewish godhead... I'll post it after this comment... but don't be misled, Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!
he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_*
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (Jn 8:58-59)
@@lisachambers3683 ua-cam.com/video/lS22MPVFngs/v-deo.htmlsi=rhoOIpCfucqtdGJp
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: Jesus isn't the Creator God is"
vs
GOD: "All things were made by HIM; and without HIM was not any thing made that was made." (John1:3)
"In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
*_For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist_* (Col 1:14-18)
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: " I am he *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* means he is the Son of God
VS
GOD: Moses said to God, “Behold, when I come to the children of Israel, and tell them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you;’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ What should I tell them?” (Ex 3:13)
AND GOD SAID TO MOSES *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* EGO EIMI (Exodus 3:14)
you do not know what you are talking about.
if you do NOT believe Jesus ἐγώ εἰμι YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN (John 8:24)
Wheres the third person the holy spirit in john 1:1?
Biblical scholars call this issue the “Johannine Comma”. 1 John 5: 7-8 reads differently in every bible 600 years old or older. It was made up a few centuries ago. Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma
There is no triune God in the Bible
Not even a false pagan one
Jesus HAS a God
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rev 1
6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 3
12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
John 17:11
The disciples must also be GOD
The TWO KEY issues here, Mike, are, how many (literal) Holy Spirits do you believe in, and just WHAT is a "Person" in this "Tri-unity?" Do you have enough wisdom to CLARIFY this word? I do not DISSECT my Mighty God; He is ONE--One LORD, ONE God, One Holy Spirit who REVEALED (showed-forth) Himself in and through His "Son." God does not BECOME something, much less a tiny little human being--what He DOES is "ANOINTS" by way of His Spirit (singular). God does not HAVE a Holy Spirit--He IS the (One and only) Holy Spirit! NOTHING makes MORE sense--scripturally--than THAT! God bless, and may you seek wisdom.
Ray Gabrelcik Do you believe in the Trinity?
Rhonda. Are you asking me if I believe in THREE ALMIGHTY HOLY SPIRITS?
Let me ask YOU a question, dear one. You may not understand it. Do YOU believe in a LITERAL Trinity, or a NON-literal Trinity? Hmmm.
Ray Gsbrelcik I believe that Jesus is God Matthew 1:23.
I believe the Father is God John 1:18 & 5:16
Not two Gods
Two positions (The Father and the Son) they are one family in heaven named God.
God the Son
God the Father
I believe the Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit, not another God or person.
I believe they are One God.
And John 1:-13 is a commentary
of Genesis 1 & 2 and 1John 1 is a contrary of John if you read the book of John and the book of 1John instead of a scripture here and there.
Let those English scriptures take you a little deeper in the Word of God.
I do not believe in the trinity, triune God as three persons, coequal! No!
I hope that answers your question.
Ray Gsbrelcik Is that the question I asked.
No
I asked if you believed in the trinity, from my understanding it is one God, 3 persons, coequal. That’s how wickipdia explains it.
The first thing you need to do to believe in the trinity is to redefine the word god. All god means is supreme being. When Jesus said He was going to His God, John 20:17, He was saying He was going to His Supreme Being. Jesus also made the point that He is God by showing the Jews that they believed there are many gods, and that Jesus is one of them, John 10:34-38. People who teach the trinity go against these Scriptures. You will not find the Jesus being referred to as the One God, but you will find the father, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
John's gospel begins with a theological prologue that introduces its central character by underscoring (His) devine origins,idenity,and role in a new act of creation.(John 1:14). The concept of logos (word) enjoyed wide currency in ancient wisdom literature and philosophical circles both before and after the composition of John. Proverbs 8, for example metaphorically personified the wisdom of God. The stoics considered logos the rational force or principle underlying the universe. The primary meaning of ho logos (the word) in v.1 however, must be derived from its correlation with the creation narrative. The opening phrase," in the beginning" echoes the opening phrase of Genesis.
and it's poetic style in the thematic content, the prologue invites reflection on the logos role in the creation account.Logos can signify "reason", "communication"," utterance", "spoken word", " speech", " discourse", articulated plan, or "self-expression." this gospel employs special language indicating that Jesus came from and later returned to the Father a dynamic depiction of the incarnations scholars refer to as John's descent- ascent motif. John does not, however, invision Jesus as a separate ontological person apart from the Father, a theological construct that developed in Post New Testament thought.
Acts2:38 covenant this side of the cross.
@@lisachambers3683 amen Jesus is the son of God because God caused his conception when Miriam said be it unto me.
Rule #1 Don’t use ambiguous texts to explain easily understood text. Matthew 28:19 is explained better in looking at the other accounts of this conversation. Luke 24:45-47 “Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.”
This is clearly understood in Acts 2:38 after Peter preaches and conviction falls they ask him what must we do? His response? “Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,”
The claim is that Acts 2:38 implies in the authority of Jesus, examples used is a police officer saying stop in the name of the law. This is flawed, why would we assume this here but not in Matthew 28:19? How did we assume one was literal but the other isn’t? This is dangerous. They are both literal, but in the full context you understand the name that was given according to acts 4:12 & Philippians 2:9-10 is the Name ofJesus, which literally can be understood as Jehovah has become our salvation.
@Jonah Mcelhaney
So you agree that Jesus is God Almighty, Jehovah?
@@jamest1411 Jesus tells us himself in John 5:43 that he had come in his Father's name. Notice in Isaiah 9:6 that the son that was to come was not called God nor the Father, but instead his "name" was to be called this. "Father" is not a name. What, then, is the Father's name? If you say the Father's name is "Jehovah," then what is the son's name if the son is not the Father? If one does not accept John 5:43, one has no good answer for why the Father and His son would have the same name.
Wonderful study on Trinity.
God bless you abundantly.
WHAT DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE - ”In the beginning was the Word mean at John 1:1?
The Bible Answers
THE WORD OR JESUS IS THE BEGINNING
Basically the definition of the word 'beginning' means (Oxford dictionary - noun, the point in time or space in which something starts) In this context, it is the beginning of Creation.
Meaning “ the WORD”in time, has a starting point, came into existence, or was created. Jesus or the Word was the “beginning of creation, begotten, first name of all creation” by Jehovah God the Creator himself.
Colossians 1:15 - KJV…’the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature’:
Revelation 3:14 - KJV …’the beginning of the creation by God:
John 3:16 - KJV…for God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son’...
Proverbs 8:22 -ASV…’Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way’...
Those verses confirm that Jesus had a beginning. He, as the Word, existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created.The Word or Jesus was besides his father always.
“Proverbs 8:30 ASV..30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight,….
John 17:5-ASV … So now, Father, glorify me alongside you before the world was.
JEHOVAH GOD HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END.
He remains Almighty God the Father, the Creator of Jesus, He did not change to be nor being equal to Jesus.
Psalms 90:2 ASV- ‘From everlasting to everlasting, you are God’.# “‘from eternity to eternity you are God”
Isaiah 40:28 ASV ‘The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth…
Habakkuk 1:12 ASV ‘Art not thou from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One?.
Malachi 3:6 Byington Bible ‘For I Jehovah have not changed,’
He remained to be Jehovah.
The Trinity rendering, Was the Word or JESUS co-equal with God?, NO.
Jesus as the beginning of creation was with God Jehovah his father. Jesus did not create or beget himself. From then on Jesus was not co-equal to God and was Jesus always.
Hebrew 13:8 ASV…Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and forever.
John 14:28 ASV …’because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I’.
Philippians 2:6 ASV…’ who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS …and THE WORD WAS GOD
SCRIPTURAL REASONING ON JOHN 1:1
1st Misconception:Should the last phrase in John 1:1 be translated “the Word was God.”
Fact: In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant.
For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction.
2nd Misconception: The verse teaches that the Word is the same as Almighty God. ATrinitarian rendering.
Fact: The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse. It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty. The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God. John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.”
Note: ‘Jehovah have not changed’ - Malachi 3:6 / ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’ - Hebrew 13:8
There are many other misconceptions in the Bible to prove that the Trinity Doctrine is in fact WRONG
Above comment.pity Mick didn't see the truth
No, we are Not right! The gospel of John more than the other three put together records so MANY statements of Jesus Father's superiority and greatness and his addmission that he could "do NOTHING of his own" and that the Father was to GRANT him immortality" John records Jesus telling Mary "I am ascending to MY GOD AND MY FATHER". John 20:17. Thus John sums up his whole gospel in this way "These things have been written that you may believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD". John 20:31! So you are WRONG! about the 'trinity', especially in the gospel of John and throughout the rest ofthe NT!
You make the classic mistake of reading John 1:1 without studying the original Greek, and the context thereof. You need to understand the use of "Logos" here.
Ray Gabrelcik Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443
The trinity merely explains what we see when we read the scriptures. There are 3 persons but they are one God. The Catholic church has very little to do with the bible, although like to tell people they do. Both old and new testaments were finished hundreds of years ahead of the catholic church. If you get your history from the catholic church, then you believe they gave us the bible. Not so. They're yet another pseudo-Christian religion that used our vocabulary but not our dictionary, just as mormons do.
Jesus was crucified because he made claims that He was God. If you don't believe that then you have to think that Jesus was a liar.
I would point you to the bible where it gives us signs of a true prophet and how to tell them apart from the false prophets, like being born into the prophetic line (Smith wasn't), they don't contradict other prophets that came before them and a 100% accuracy rate is required for a true prophet. Smith had several false prophecies and his teachings were in direct conflict with all of the other prophets. He denies everything in the Bible that is a basic fundamental of Christianity.
Rick Davis where does ithe Bible say God the Father is a person? Can. You tell me!
@@rhondahauser6443
The Bible says God is spirit. Why do you think I believe God is a person?
Rick Davis In a post you r wrote yesterday, you said, “there are three persons but one God”.
Who are the three persons?
I assumed you were referring to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God the Father is a Spirit (not a person).
The Holy Spirit is a Spirit (not a person)
Therefore, I don’t believe in the trinity, three persons in one God.
I do believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Bible reaches.
WOW !!!!! WOW !!! WOW !!!!! What is he saying, We also can be God's??? EPHESIANS 3:19 .. THIS IS PHILOSOPHY OF MEN !! EVERY EPISTLE SALUTATIONS IS CLEAR !!
Sounds like "Mormonism."
Minister straker Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
wow, just wow. Prayers for you sir
Don't just watch "You-Tube" videos, precious one, "study to show thyself APPROVED..."
Dorothy B Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443 "If it’s not written, it’s not truth! " Jesus's name is not written in John 1: 1-14.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Twoo Harmony Jesus is the WORD, his name is written.
@@rhondahauser6443 Where is it that Jesus is written in John...Not the word word. the word "Jesus", John knew of Jesus and does not write that Jesus is in the beginning. Where are you getting that Jesus is the word besides people telling you. Are you saying the word Jesus is specifically written in John 1:1-5? Because it absolutely is not written that I noticed.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word existed before Jesus was born and was not Jesus: 1 Samuel 9: 27; 1 Kings 12: 22. And Jesus is grown-up and the word of God is not Jesus: Luke 3: 2; Luke 5: 1;Luke 8: 11; Luke 8: 19; Luke 11: 28. Jesus is Ascended and the word of God is referred to and is not Jesus: Acts 4: 31, Acts 8: 14, 11: 1, 12: 24.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word is/was made flesh, yet at conception there is no flesh. People add that in John, the word is Jesus. I'm just saying that John does not write that the word is Jesus and that in John, John does not write the name Jesus nor names the word as the name Jesus.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Which person of the Trinity was speaking in Isaiah 45:5?
Which person of the Trinity was in Christ during his baptism, which was performed by John the Baptist?
What is the singular name the apostles were commanded to baptize people with according to Matthew 28th ?chapter 1st 18 philosophical Bible tells me to avoid philosophy when it comes to the word of God
The trinity is a false teaching.
Try as Hard as you can. No one can make sence of the Trinity.
The claim against the Trinity is not Complexity in order to say we cant understand GOD becouse is is too Great to be understod. the Problem with the Trinity is simply a Logical Impossibility.
There is no logical impossibility with GOD as with GOD all things are possible. The concept of The Trinity explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD like in Numbers 11:25.
People with no "Common sense "
Trying to speak like, they have common sense.
WHAT A JOKE ! ! !
Great example! ;)
He babbles on a Trinitarian Con of Babylon ? 😁
Persons ??? Can u tell me properly wat is the defination of persons in trinity. The word persons means personality???
Yes personally
Relationships
Persons
Identification
"To believe in the Trinity, give up on analogies". So it means you basically won't understand it because it's a mystery to human understanding. Thus, you can't understand the Almighty God. Hence you don't know your God. Nice!!! Basically like what agnostics are saying.
What about, The Father being the only True God and Jesus being the Son of the Only True God.
JEHOVAH IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD , NOT A CREW GOD ! ! ! MADE UP OF 3 COEQUALS ? ? ? GRENVILLE SHARPS 3 RULES ARE FROM THE MODERN DAY PHARISEE SCHOOLS ? ? ? WHEN IN DOUBT , THROW THE TRINITY DOCTRINE OUT ! ! YOU DON'T NEED IT, WEED IT ! ! CHRISTENDOM Pharisees not Jewish pharisees ?
Jesus said im going to the father for the father is greater than I
So father is still greater than the son in heaven cause he said im going to the father
Revelation 3:14 jesus said hes the beginning of Gods creation
At 42:24 it is the Gospel of Mark and not Matthew 3,29 - I will not correct you anymore, since your notes seem not to be always according to the Bible. :-)
Thinking people have a difficult time with three person god heads.
This is what a wolf looks like in sheep’s clothing.
Exactly. God Bless 🙏✝️
Does Jesus still have his body in Heaven? and when we go to Heaven will we literally see Jesus with his body on the right hand of God the Father? Will we see both of them at the same time? Can we only hug Jesus because He has a body? Will we be able to talk to God the father?
Above comment. Flesh and blood don't go to heaven cor15.1 Peter. V 18 Jesus raised a spirit
@@MargaretRobinson-fj2eg so what happened to Jesus’ body?
Why did Yehovah Elohim declare Yeshua as His beloved Son, to whom we are to listen, but not declare him God?
WHAT DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE - ”In the beginning was the Word mean at John 1:1?
The Bible Answers
THE WORD OR JESUS IS THE BEGINNING OF CREATION
Basically the definition of the word 'beginning' means (Oxford dictionary - noun, the point in time or space in which something starts) In this context, it is the beginning of Creation.
Meaning “ the WORD”in time, has a starting point, came into existence, or was created. Jesus or the Word was the “beginning of creation, begotten, first name of all creation” by Jehovah God the Creator himself. Jesus in fact was the beginning of creation.
Colossians 1:15 - KJV…’the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature’:
Revelation 3:14 - KJV …’the beginning of the creation by God:
John 3:16 - KJV…for God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son’...
Proverbs 8:22 -ASV…’Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way’...
Those verses confirm that Jesus had a beginning. He, as the Word, existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created.The Word or Jesus was besides his father always.
“Proverbs 8:30 ASV..30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight,….
John 17:5-ASV … So now, Father, glorify me alongside you before the world was.
JEHOVAH GOD HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END.
He remains Almighty God the Father, the Creator of Jesus, He did not change to be nor being equal to Jesus.
Psalms 90:2 ASV- ‘From everlasting to everlasting, you are God’.# “‘from eternity to eternity you are God”
Isaiah 40:28 ASV ‘The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth…
Habakkuk 1:12 ASV ‘Art not thou from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One?.
Malachi 3:6 Byington Bible ‘For I Jehovah have not changed,’
He remained to be Jehovah.
The Trinity rendering, Was the Word or JESUS co-equal with God?, NO.
Jesus as the beginning of creation was with God Jehovah his father. Jesus did not create or beget himself. From then on Jesus was not co-equal to God and was Jesus always.
Hebrew 13:8 ASV…Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and forever.
John 14:28 ASV …’because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I’.
Philippians 2:6 ASV…’ who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS …and THE WORD WAS GOD
SCRIPTURAL REASONING ON JOHN 1:1
1st Misconception:Should the last phrase in John 1:1 be translated “the Word was God.”
Fact: In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant.
For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction.
2nd Misconception: The verse teaches that the Word is the same as Almighty God. ATrinitarian rendering.
Fact: The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse. It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty. The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God. John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.”
Note: ‘Jehovah have not changed’ - Malachi 3:6 / ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’ - Hebrew 13:8
There are many other FACTS in the Bible to prove that the misconceptions of theTrinity Doctrine is WRONG, MISLEADING, CONFUSING, NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING.
At 41:58 you quote from 2 Cor 2:11. The passage is wrong. It should read: 1 Cor. 2:11. I found out about it, since I am making notes of what you say with the Scripture passages... :-)
thank you I was confused
oh boy, at 42:20 Mike says 1 Corinthians 2:11 says the Holy Spirit "knows the thoughts of God" and says "therefore the Spirit is a person". But this is what 1 Corinthians 2:11 says:
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
Verse 11 actually directly compares the way in which the Spirit of God knows the thoughts of God to the way in which our own spirit within us knows our own thoughts. Mike's teaching here would necessarily mean that each of us is one being with two persons, one of which is our own spirit.
Please, everyone, read the Bible through looking at the topic of the Trinity only. The Bible does not teach it. It just makes no sense to claim to be someone who follows the Bible if you don't know for yourself what the Bible actually says, in context, and taken together as a whole as opposed to pulling a single verse out here and there. The Bible teaches there is one true God, the Father, Yahweh, the most high God, the only true God. This one true God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed One, to take on flesh and blood to be made like us in every way, in order to die on the cross for our sins.
'Are we right' shows that the Trinity was blindly believed all this time. Now someone is looking for some evidence for it.
The record at John 1:1-3 is about God's FIRST CREATED BEING. The Firstborn of all Creation (cf Colossians 1:15). A creation triggers off the count of time.
(John 1:2) This one was IN THE BEGINNING WITH God.
Only a created person or object can have a beginning. God has no beginning.
Wow you are confused. John 1 says the Word was with God , Word is God, everything was created by the Word and the Word was made flesh . Also in 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. How can you be confused about that?
@@christiansoldier77 : If John states that God's FIRST CREATION was WITH God at the BEGINNNG, how could a creation be the Creator?
It is this loved SON whom God SENT to become the Messiah. Please read John 3:16. Galatians 4:4.
Using a spurious verse added by the KJV seems an act of desperation. 1 John 5:7 has been expunged from most translations. It doesn't even make sense.
Jesus(the Word) was with GOD. Jesus speaks GODS Word. Just because Jesus had been with GOD since the beginning doesn't make him God. There is only one GOD. How do you not understand that? The trinity is catholic.
@@christiansoldier77 : John 1:1 says that the Word IS God?????????
Please show me even a corrupt translation that states such.
The no sense translation even say 'and the Word WAS God'. Meaning the Word no longer IS God. Doesn't make sense, does it.
@@lisawesome7588 : True! Catholic teachings do not conform to the Bible. By their own admission.
Christian belief is:
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
There is two word one word is God and one word is with the God. Both the word but only one God
When Jesus was asked which is the first commandment of all, he answered: The first of all the Commandments is "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE Lord Mark 12:29 Jesus reiterated the "Shema" of Deut.6:4. Why did Jesus reiterate Deut.6:4 to be the first Commandment of all when it is not even part of the decalogue? Jesus knew the day would come when mankind would make God three persons and was reminding the Jews how important it is for them to keep the SHEMA close to their hearts.
It's based on the anker of the old testament, but yet the name of God was removed and can not be found once in the new testament. 22:45 Now this is what I call changing the Bible to benefit your teaching (doctrine of the trinity).
1 Peter 1 says blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus christ. Who was jesus sGod? Ans Jehovah
He has no idea what hes talking about
In reference to Acts Chapter 5, Who did Christ say the Comforter is to His Disciples in John Chapter 14:16-17? Is it not the Spirit of Truth? If you know who the Truth is(John 14:6) shouldn’t be difficult to figure out that the Spirit belongs to Him because it’s the Spirit of Truth. Christ taught the Disciples the Comforter is to be called the Holy Spirit/Ghost so in the book of Acts whenever the Spirit or Holy Spirit is mentioned its who Christ says He is in John 14:17-23 which upon reading it’s not a literal third divine being
My name is Marc Andrew Schumann. There are three types of water. There is Ice,Snow and steam. When Ice and snow melts it's regular form of water. When steam cools down it's regular form of water. All three are different but there all one.
STOP WATERING DOWN THE TRUTH ! !
Modalism heresy
Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega . There can be no mistake that He is God
*[No Trinity]*
*Whatever Authority Jesus [Yeshua] has was given to him by his "God & Father" {See John 20:17}*
*[Plz Note]*
*John 5:19* - If Almighty, Why did Jesus say: *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."*
🟥 • How could Christ Jesus have been *Co-Equal* with *the Father* who is *Almighty, All-Powerful or Omnipotent [Yahweh or Jehovah] from the beginning,* when *Jesus* is constantly, gradually *GIVEN* authority & power by his *Almighty God (who has no beginning).* 🤔
No one can give the Father *[Yahweh / Jehovah]* authority or power. *He has always possessed it*
*Daniel 7:14* - And there was *"given"* him *dominion, and glory, and a kingdom* (KJV)
*Psalm 110:1* - *[Jehovah]* said unto *my Lord,* Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
~ *Divine Name King James Bible*
🔺️*(Here, Jesus takes orders from his Father who basically tells him to sit down... How can they be Co-Equal)?* 🤔
*Matt. **28:18* - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is *"given unto me"* in heaven and in earth. (KJV)
• *John 17:3* - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* who *sent him*
• *Rev. 1:1* - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, *which God gave to him...*
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[The following verse proves that the *Son (Jesus / Yeshua)* is always *in subjection or inferior* his *God & Father (Jehovah / Yahweh)]*
• *1 Corinths. **15:28* - But when all things will have been subjected to him, then *the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him,* that God may be all things to everyone.
• *Phillipians 2:9* For this very reason, *God exalted him to a superior position* and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,...
*(How can someone be a Co-Equal God with Almighty God if he is exalted by Almighty God?)*
• *Philippians 2:11* - However, this verse concludes that Jesus is Lord to everyone... except *to the glory of God the Father!*
🔴 *This totally contradicts the Trinitarian claim that Jesus is Co-Equal w/ the Father!*
Ok so do you think Jesus was like some form of spirit in heaven and God sent him to earth to die for us ? Like God give him that power to die for our sins? And to teach us about God in heaven? Or you think Jesus was making everything up lying .
No you aren't right. Not even close. The only God is Jesus Christ's God. The Bible also shows us that God the Father Himself declared that He alone is God and 99.99999% of Trinitarians aren't even aware of it. The doctrine of the Trinity is nothing more than a confirmation bias routine that disregards numerous Scriptural facts. There is no 3 person God which is why you won't find a 3 person God anywhere in Scripture and so you are forced to pretend a 3 person God is in view in selected verses wherever you think you can get away with it.
The Trinity Delusion
So Jehovah is Yahweh ,correct?
Yahweh is the Almighty God, correct?
Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh!
Mike is only confounding issues and misleading us....: why does Jesus' deity has anything to do with the Trinity? Why can't we reject the demon inspired teaching of Trinity (which the real Apostles of Jesus never taught: 1 Timothy 4:1-3; Acts 20:29-30; etc...) and accept Jesus' Deity?
1. Monotheism is not an issue at all! Instead the question is whether or not the word "God" has one, uniform meaning in the entire Bible or not!
2. What about the Holy Spirit? Let us accept that the Holy Spirit is just as "God", as the Father and the Son.... could you help us:
- where does the Holy Spirit ask or request you to honor or worship him as Jesus does for example at John 5:23?
- the Bible explains that we must worship God primarily because he created us! And it explicitly states that the Father created "all things" (Revelation 4:11); and Jesus (Colossians 1:16-18)....where does the Bible tell you EXPLICITLY as it does of the Father and the Son that the Holy Spirit created something let alone creating "all things"? If not why should he be worshipped?
- why is the Holy Spirit missing in these scriptures (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Corinthians 15:27-28; 1 Timothy 2:3-6; Revelation 5:11-14; etc...)?
Mike with all due respect, the so called traditional church was corrupt already in the second century: Acts 20:29-30; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; etc...
By the way...many of you Trinitarians distinguish between what Jesus said while he was a living human and what he might say or do today! Please explain to us, these following scriptures written at least 50 years(81-99 CE) after Jesus resurrection:
Revelation 1:1&6 why does "God" give him a revelation? Why does he call his Father his "God"
Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 3:2...why is the Father his God even after his resurrection?
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 was written at least 25 years after Jesus resurrection: why is the Father never subjected to Jesus? Why will Jesus have to hand over the Kingdom to God the Father in the future?
Mike: be humble Yes Jesus is indeed God but Trinity is simply a demon inspired...if you desagree...don't answer the easy questions... answer my questions and everyone will know the truth!
Revelation 1:8 does not refer to Jesus at all! Send me your email address and I will help you realise what this scripture states!
@@magankiggan4305
Jesus is God Almighty. Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is the Most High.
Ok James Thomas: Any single scripture which EXPLICITLY states that Jesus is the Almighty God?
Please don't give us your false interpretations of some scripture...
I .said EXPLICIT because both Jesus and God, have no reason to depict Jesus as having a God himself, while he scythe almighty himself (Isaiah 42:1-7; Luke 4:18-21; Daniel 7:13-14; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6; Revelation 1:1 &8 Revelation 3:12; etc..)
Explain why your God would be so depraved to lie to us in all of the above scriptures?
@@attielukanyo9723
Attie, I showed you the scriptures already, and you got mad and erased the whole comment section.
Unfortunately for us, it seems that Greek has only one word for "and" - και (kai). And that could mean "and", "also", "even", "so", "then", "too", etc. Copulative and cumulative. "Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
How about, "Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord even my God." ? This is more in keeping with the rest of the Bible.