It was a cop out that they didn’t use a Chinese designer for Mulan. I was wardrobe supervisor in college and when we did a Chinese opera and about 5 teachers came from China to help with direction and costume design. I still remember a teacher explaining me to me in Manderin, which I do not speak, how to properly tie a sash. Anyway, if my University could do it, Disney could do it.
Disney could do it but the problem is they never want to. They've always taken the "easiest" route and the mainstream path, whatever appeals to the masses and little kids instead of being accurate in any manner. Their point would be "it is fantasy and as long as it is aesthetically pleasing..." that is all that matters.🤷🏻♀️
@@ebonyloveivory It's kind of insulting really to treat the film goer as dumb and ignorant. Reality is so much more interesting and exciting but I guess the bottom line is all about cost and making money.
@@10AntsTapDancing It is all about profit margins in the end, sadly. 😫 From what I notice, even if they spare no expense, they will gear towards visually stimulating ideas and focus more on the storylines instead of worrying about accuracy.😅
There was a scene in Bridgerton where Daphne is changing, and she is shown wearing a corset with no under garments. All I could think was "Bernadette would not approve..."
Sameeeee. Like I saw that corset scene where they were tight-lacing somebody and was annoyed as those would not be the appropriate period undergarments.
Yeah, I heard that the architecture, makeup, hair and clothing were all this mishmash of Chinese fashions with no rhyme or reason beyond, it seems, ☆aesthetic☆ or some shit.
Just a fun fact about Marie Skłodowska Curie - she had one dress for years - as written in her biography by her daughter Eve: 'This dress, which she kept for years and years, to be transformed from time to time by a little dressmaker (...) Marie knew nothing of fashions and had no taste. But the discretion and reserve which were the very mark of her character saved her being conspicuous and created a sort of style in her dress' (Eve Curie - 'Madame Curie, a Biography' page 230)
Ooooo...that's so interesting, and really adds a lot to fleshing out her character as a person. Today she'd totally be one of those lab rats with 5 of the same black everything, living on Huel and giving no fucks for a single thing that goes on outside the key-carded doors. :-D
@@CptBlm Well sometimes people forget that she's polish I even saw someone calling her british once. Since I am from Poland it's pretty obvious to call her by the full name.
One of my favorite things about Bernadette is how she speaks like a private school headmistress but occasionally has contemporary slang and memeage sprinkled in her vernacular and does it seamlessly (pun intended).
Ikr, Bernadette speaks with a Posh kind of accent but with Modern slang. I remember having an English teacher, she was one of the Best teachers I've ever had, Bernadette really Reminds me of her
incredibly accurate, down to the "headmistress" part - when she sighed and asked, like, "what was this supposed to be?" for enola holmes, i literally had the exact feeling you get when a high school teacher asks you to stay after class and you *know* you didnt do a good job on your essay
I feel like if it’s a story about lesbians, everyone just gets to slide under the radar and avoid the executive micromanagers because they assume no one will want to see it. More creative control for the history-nerd designers and filmmakers! Best case scenario!
@@MsVorpalBlade I think that's a 2019 film by US release date. I only managed to see it in '19 because I went to a festival though, it wasn't out in my country (UK) until February this year!
@@CowGirlKat8691 no, woman did plenty of valuable things independent of how society viewed them. Even "leisure class" adult women had more social/political standing than children (only ever taken to the public for prop purposes) from Aristotles Greece to Victorian England Not that modern improve aren't valuable
@@fionafiona1146 unless they were royal children. Oh, and today's children and previous centuries children is two different categories, age wise, as in today we, at least in western society, do not think it is normal to a 14 boy to be a king and lead men to the battle, or 12 years old girl to get married...
@@chrissiek8706 they to were puppets, as long as their "advisors" kept them labeled as "children" Not that modern 12-16 year old aren't similarly capable of running households or countries, our standards have raised
Except the uggs were never actually in the movie, wasn't that a production still someone took? The actress was clearly wearing them because they were more comfortable and not visible in the shot, anyway
Yup. Here's me expecting The Alienist to get Chef's Kiss and...nope... I did stop watching Self Made because the costumes were soooo atrocious I couldn't stand it, so I feel justified about that one.
I’m a costumer in film and television so I can add a little bit to your comment on The Great! From my experience the pilot/first episode is shot with a completely different team and sometimes a year in advance to the first season. Once a show is confirmed to be picked up then they hire the team for that coming season, sometimes it’s the same designer but usually it’s someone different. I’ve worked on shows where the pilot continuity was so bad we’ve had to go back and reshoot a lot! Also editing to add, the amount of times I’ve worked with a designer who spends massive amount of times arguing with the head of Hair and Makeup because they haven’t done proper research on the era we’re shooting is RIDICULOUS!! Not just for historical shows but for 50’s-80’s, it takes away from all the research and work we in the Wardrobe department do trying to recreate decades properly 😭😭
I feel so much for the designers who pour their souls into creating a rich and genuine immersive world with the costumes and then someone from Makeup breaks out the bronzer
I trained as a make-up artist for film & tv back in 1999 (I don't still do make-up) and one of the things we were taught was to research the time period and how to do different lip shapes, eyebrows,colours etc, it annoys me how it doesn't happen so much now!
I did hair and makeup for a musical theatre program for years and took immense pride in the amount of work I put into accuracy. Let me tell you, a LOT of girls tried to convince me that just curling their hair would be enough. You wish, kid. This is the Music Man and you're playing an old woman. No loose ringlets or beach waves for you lol
On the "does it matter" question: I actually think showing historically accurate hair and makeup can be really valuable because it shows how arbitrary and changeable socially constructed beauty standards are. When you watch all these period pieces with historical clothing but modern hair and makeup, it creates a sense that today's styles are just this timeless definition of what a beautiful person looks like. On the other hand, when you see a gorgeous star wearing something that seems strange to our modern eyes, it reminds us of all the myriad ways a person can be beautiful. A greater appreciation for the diversity of human appearance is sorely needed in our society, so I think accurate hair and makeup is actually important.
I agree, but I guess there can be this tricky-to-navigate middle ground. If a character is particularly attractive or fashion-forward and that is relevant in-setting, then modern audiences need to know that, in-universe, other characters perceive them that way. It can be difficult to fully convey that given that we don't have the sensibilities of the time.
I watched a painting restoration video here on UA-cam where the guy removed an a painted-over face from an older painting -- one more modern era didn't find the woman beautiful so made her prettier by their standards! Was so cool to show how beauty has always always
As a hair and makeup artist I believe a lot these blasphemous instances are due to the actresses themselves not wanting to look “unattractive” by modern standards. You see this even in modern film & television shows. Whether it be characters who are stranded in the desert with their hair & makeup still perfect, or characters who are months or years into a prison sentence with perfectly bleached hair and false eyelashes. Many actresses, especially the older and more famous they are, have control over these things written into their contract. They’re not willing to look “unattractive” on camera no matter how unrealistic it is for the character.
I think The Great's outfits are a design choice which match its other anachronisms. Like how the title cards say 'an occasionally true story', or how the dialogue mixes Shakespearean parody with 'fuck' every five seconds.
It's totally design choice... they tried to look "like russian" in 18 century. The dress for coronation and a "fantasy" by kokoshnik was look so weird ...
I was an extra on the Great, Russian Peasant #17. 😂 The ladies who dressed us were really conscious of the time and detail. I remember one of them was even particular about how this random woman’s boot was laced, even if there was 0.01% chance that it would be on screen.
The Great really gave me the vibe that they used details from the time period/ silhouettes but modern materials/ styling. I thought it was actually really good for the series, which is not in anyway historically accurate. Like the series, the clothes used period details ( or people) to convey a modern story.
I was an extra in some II WW film (don't remember the title, it was German), the dressing team asked us to specifically wear a non wired bras and some looser undies. For the extras that wouldn't be really in focus
@@PizzaHorseProductions apparently that’s fairly historically accurate. Russia was trying to be apart of Europe at the time (culturally speaking) but it’s not like they had many references for what was in fashion, at least that’s what I remember reading somewhere, I could be totally off base
I can forgive the costumes as an ”it was a design choice”, but I like the oldfashioned 18th century style on the Queen and her attendants, the very pristine style of Daphne, the over the top colours and decoration of the Featherington ladies (the seamstress in the series even comments on this!). It’s definitely not historically accurate and they’re not really trying to be. Marina’s hair, though. *winces*
To some extent the 18th century style on the Queen is accurate! Queen Charlotte had super rigid rules about what people could wear at Court: the narrow trains and all white and feathers on the girls to be presented is accurate, though they should also have been wearing deeply unflattering hoops under their gowns. She was Queen, she could dictate what people wore at the royal Drawing Rooms, and she did and everyone suffered for it.
Yes! I came to request this. I’m one prisoner 5 and my (severely) untrained eye can see some definite style choices and some other things they got really right based on other Bernadette videos
I also really really need this, because it would be great to have her thorough breakdown of everything, but also because I need my rage at all the corsets with nothing underneath them validated haha
My mum is a fashion historian with a PhD in it and watching shows like this with her is a nightmare ahaha. She can’t focus on the show because she’s so annoyed about the clothes! She just made a costume course for designing clothing for TV! First one in England :)
I shudder to think what "historically accurate" dress will be for something set in the 2000s when I'm 95 years old in a nursing home yelling at my grandkids about Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Jersey Shore
OMG. Compelled to respond because I get crazed over this. As someone who lived the 80s and 90s, and was very into fashion, really no shows do these accurately. Most not even close. If we can’t create accuracy with lived history that was also extremely well documented, something centuries old seems futile. Though I still love the attempts.
“HIGH WAISTED JEANS?! IN 2005?! BACK IN MY DAY WE WORE OUR JEANS SO LOW THAT THERE WAS A PHRASE JUST TO DESCRIBE HOW OUR UNDERWEAR SHOWED OVER THE WAISTBAND! AND THOSE ARENT CAPRIS, THOSE ARE CULOTTES! WHERE. IS. THE. BLING. ON. THE. BACK. POCKETS! DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE MAKEUP! CUT CREASES WERENT A THING UNTIL THE 2010s!”
No.. think about the Dollar General fuzzy pyjama bottoms and bunny slippers with a tshirt with some cutsy/sexually inappropriate innuendo on it.. shudder
Dear Bernadette, as a Chinese art historian I really appreciate that you acknowledged that there is a great deal of specialization inherent in studying the dress of different cultures and time periods. With Chinese dress, in particular, different types of dress tend to be associated with different dynasties. What people wore can be impacted by things we don't necessarily think about today. For example during the Tang Dynasty (7th-10th c.) women wore very thin, almost ethereal-looking, clothing. A famous type is the qixiong ruqun which would have been secured underneath the armpits. Whereas during the Ming Dynasty (14th-17th) women tended to wear long, pleated skirts and a long-sleeved blouse called aoqun that look much warmer. This is because the Tang Dynasty was one of the warmer dynasties and the Ming Dynasty was relatively colder. Even between the two dynasties that I tend to specialize in: the Ming and Qing there are quite a bit of difference in the clothing. The Ming dynasty was ruled by Han Chinese leaders and the Qing Dynasty was ruled by ethnically Manchurian leaders so you see the ways this translates into the clothing. The sleeves become more narrow rather than the wide Han-style sleeves because the Manchurians were nomadic people who rode horses and practiced archery. I think my issue with Mulan was less with the design of the clothing and more that it felt very surface level in its commitment to portraying "accurate" Chinese culture because it looked like a Chinese story but didn't feel like one. Not to mention the whole issue of shooting in Xinjiang while ignoring the Uighar concentration camps was a choice, Disney. Also bonus fact! The image of the calligraphy of the ballad of Mulan you showed was written by Mi Fu, a famous Song dynasty calligrapher, who was by all accounts a total eccentric weirdo who liked collecting and inscribing on rock faces.
It's always so nice when they specifically pick an actress who would fit the aesthetics of the time period instead of whatever Hollywood actress is most popular.
Well, I don‘t mind them having actresses that don‘t fit the aestethic of the period in the movies, as long as it‘s clear that they are not considered to be the ultimate beauty in the story. Because let‘s be honest: There have always been people who don‘t „fit“ with the general beauty standard, and that‘s fine. It‘s just weird when the movie then pretends like they actually do fit.
A movie that suprised me with mostly historically accurate costumes was "A Muppets Chrstmas Carol". It's the Muppets, they didn't need to be that accurate and yet they did anyway! If the Muppets can do it, so can other movies.
There’s an account on Twitter called The Bill & Ted Test based on this premise - if a single throwaway (regency) scene in a Bill & Ted movie can achieve costuming excellence, actual historical dramas really aught to be able to. It’s a really fun account to follow.
I know it's older, but it would be good to hear your take on "Anne with an E". They talk quite a lot about what it's acceptable for different people (particularly women) to be wearing based on age and class. It would be interesting to know how accurate it is.
Watching Bernadette as her battery is about to die while my battery is about to die is not the shared experience I imagined when I joined the patreon group. I must say, I give the live chats a much higher approval rating.
As someone who is chinese i can say a lot of chinese designers take a lot of uh... cReAtIvE LiBeRtY when it comes to designing costumes for their own historical period dramas. As a chinese youtuber once said, most of chinese historical literature is is just fan fiction. But if future videos do feature other cultures and historical clothing can i just nominate Five thousand Years and ShiYin as tribute?
I mean Rise of the Phoenix probably isn't historically accurate, BUT the fashion looks realistic and isn't made from that cheap polyester plastic stuff. There was an actual effort put into the whole 70+ episodes.
I watched Merlin and was internally dying at the sight of modern clothes and modern makeup. And I think Merlin would have really benefited from actual medieval clothes!
The costumes, the makeup, the hair, the architecture, the saddles and briddles, the "ancient language of magic" ... there is very little in that show that is historically accurate. The acting is bad or mediocre, but none of them are phoning it in.... The plots are so-so... But it's silly and fun, and the bromance between Merlin and Arthur is adorable.
TBH I feel like screaming whenever the infamous Little Women Uggs debacle comes out - the photo was a behind the scenes long shot of the actresses in modern, foot preserving shoes for waist-up shots. In the film itself, NO Uggs are seen and in the long shot that makes it to the final cut, they are all, in fact, wearing historically accurate shoes.
It would have been pretty easy to bring in historically accurate winter boots that would have been at least as warm, though, and that would have improved the wide shots.
@Scott Finkelstein Have you ever seen behind the scenes photos of actors wearing 18th century gowns and puffer coats? I think production companies find it in their best interests to make their stars' comfort the #1 priority...not everyone has the method acting determination of Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn ;)
Even in the film though, their clothing was so loose fitting and not really historically accurate, except for maybe one dress that Meg wears to the dance. And their HAIR omg, was loose and down, not really accurate (except for maybe the youngest sister). But also this is just a film and maybe they were symbolizing their 'free spirits' and modernity of ideas for the time period. But for me, these details or lack of, really took me out of the movie.
It does seem unfair to judge the accuracy of the movie based on behind the cameras shots. But, they had nearly no bonnets in the movie, and that was a basic accessory back in the time.
Thanks for the heads up. I mean, there is enough to criticize fairly in that version, we don't need to drag in the unfair... I still remember the movie people proudly talking about each sister having/preferring a specific color for their clothes, and I'm like "But...but... hand-me-downs..." The family's lack of wealth is so important to the story there is just no way they would not have inherited each other's clothes.
I don't think I realized just how well Bernadette knows clothes until I watched this video. Her being able to tell a difference of a couple of years by the shape of the sleeves is like--well, my specialty is 50s-70s American vehicles, and this is like me knowing the difference between a '65 and a '66 C10 by where the badge is. And this woman's knowledge covers far more than 30 years and extends much farther back in history. What a legend.
I remember this Twitter post (I think I saw Karolina slamming them afterwards in the thread), where this girl was saying that corsets were dangerous because she wore one and got "tight laced" and couldn't breathe. She then posted a photo of her wearing it. The photo had two very evident problems: 1) she wasn't wearing anything underneath it, no shift, no combinations, nothing. 2) the thing was clearly at least two sizes smaller than what her ideal fit would be. It's not the corset's fault if you didn't bother to measure yourself correctly. She then went on to say that she had experience with period clothing, but clearly she didn't if she didn't know that she had to wear something underneath it.
I found this after viewing her 2021 ranking videos and definitely took some screenshots of the TV/film lists in her description boxes, and also of suggestions people made in the comments abt examples she didn’t cover. I’m a sucker for period pieces like, I assume, a majority of ppl viewing these ranking vids… I’m happy they were so popular and got a ton of views! 👍🏻 So I def. appreciate Bernadette’s rankings for their own merits, but also bc they’re helpful referrals I’m DESPERATELY in need of at this pt. in time like, I also assume, many others are (haha); which helped me add some shows/films to my bare bones watch lists 😁; they even helped me give some recs for my husband & family members whom are fantasy fans! Thanks Bernadette!
I'd honestly be super interested in seeing Bernadette talk about historical fashion in animated movies... Particularly Anastasia and Atlantis. I have a really sore spot for Atlantis and Helga because how are you gonna take one of the coolest eras of fashion and make it so HORRIBLY inaccurate like
YES!! Using history to inform a character design can be SO insightful, but artists are just as susceptible to inaccuracies as costumers are--perhaps more so since cartoons often resort to an "anything goes" mentality because you can just draw whatever you want. Oh, and of course, cartoons are often dismissed as irrelevant kiddie fare, so no one cares. :C
Anastasia’s a mess, but it’s not trying to be period accurate so I always gave it a pass despite being a huge nerd for the fashions of the early 20th century and also the Russian Revolution and the early Soviet period. I didn’t hate Don Bluth’s interpretation of the Russian court dress, though, even if i didn’t get the transparent sleeves. The only thing I actively hated was the film’s interpretation of the 1920s. It fell into the same Princess and the Frog trap of having an hourglass figure despite the fact that the 20s was all about women having this boyish, ruler-straight figure.
@@coffeefrog HOLY SHIT YES I HATE ALL THE DRESSES IN FROZEN UGH I mean Anna has some decent looks but Elsa being perpetually draped in spandex is annoying as hell
One can do both. In fact it's better to know how to use and understand both. It helps not to perpetuate the stereotype of making people with formal education automatically into educated morons, and may relieve some of the social pressure on certain demographics *not* to go to college.
His Lordship has returned! I appreciate your comments towards the end that historical accuracy actually does matter to make us see how similar we truly are to people living 100+ years ago.
One of my sister’s closest friends from college was actually an assistant hairstylist on The Great. From what she told my sister (they watched the show together) having Catherine’s hair down in the first episode was to show not only innocence and youth (it can be hard to tell she’s supposed to be six years younger than Peter) but also that she wasn’t in touch with fashion or court and had sort of just lived in the country and was a little flower childish. Not saying that was accurate for the time (I know it wasn’t) but I think it’s worth noting that there was more behind it.
I’m so glad to hear this confirmed! I assumed that was the case just watching as a viewer. And I really enjoyed the series, and thought the costuming was pretty good for the most part. Or they were good enough that I could look past brief modern aspects.
From a historical standpoint, Catherine often kept her hair down when she wasn’t attending super formal or important social events. She was by no means a follower of the status quo for her time, and like you said she truly didn’t keep in touch with what was proper or fashionable, simply because she didn’t have time for that. She ran a country, and she put more effort into being a good queen than being up to date on the latest fashions or propriety rules for women.
i thought the great was pretty good, because it did feel like the inaccuracies were a design choice. in a way, the series is a fantasy. it's not meant to be historically accurate at all, from the events to the language to the trained butterflies (lol). i thought they did a really good job at preserving the fantasy of the story being set in the 18th century while also underlining the absurdity of the series with historically inaccurate choices.
Except she’s not actually wearing UGGs in the film itself it’s just a behind the scenes photograph!! If you watch the film she’s wearing the same brown leather shoes she does for pretty much the duration
They definitely should have brought in a Chinese designer for Mulan. As one who has researched Song Dynasty clothing, finding resources in English is incredibly hard. The best resources are all in Chinese and haven't been translated.
@samantha ssmith a) majority of pictures that are detailed enough to study only depicted expensive noble clothes because notable or famous people were usually the only people artists bothered to draw and b) good design goes so much beyond looking at century-old drawings - you need to understand the fabrics, the available dyes, the cultural context and practicalities that created these trends, and above all, an in-depth understanding of what truly characterized the era and set it apart from other periods to faithfully create an accurate recreation and to design creatively while protecting the integrity of accuracy for instance, mulan's make-up scene is awful. watch xiran jay zhao's video for more details, but while they used (mostly) accurate substances, they applied them in an inaccurate and offensive way for a cheap joke making fun of ancient chinese makeup practices. and even when they did have pictures, they didn't use them lmao. mulan's residence is 土楼, ring buildings with an open-air space inside, which is characteristically southern when mulan is a northern story.
@samantha ssmith historical faithfulness is important for a historically placed movie. the fact that it's a Disney move means that it's a major presentation of Chinese culture to a western audience, which means that a HEAVIER emphasis should be placed on accuracy. also, misrepresenting fashion and adopting a different era in an ancient chinese media would be like using bowler hats, viking helmets, and roman tunics to represent tudor era england. the idea that chinese fashion is the same from era to era is an ignorant approach and diminishes the distinct nature of each period. but at the end of the day, it's just a fun historically inspired movie, so it shouldn't matter, right? no. why do you think people were so upset at other historical shows having awful clothes? because it misrepresents the setting of the story. even then I wouldn't care if Disney didn't misrepresent their movie as some sort of extremely accurate beacon of Chinese culture, which they used to make a number of changes and film near ughyur camps and in their marketing. it's tacky. and all of my statements are in regards to ALL historically set movies produced by someone about a culture they don't belong to, particularly ones that are grounded specifically in a certain time period.
Just before this video dropped I was having a discussion with my mum about fabrics used in historical dress and why they weren't all the stiff, tight, scratchy nightmares that people think they were, and then you appeared in my notifications and it was like I'd just called for backup!
@@muse3223 Sadly I don't have any actual references, but as I understand it linens were very different when they were at the height of their popularity, as was wool cloth, which we have less of a demand for now because of blasted polyester ... But this is just taken from snippets of books and articles so I don't know exactly how true it all is!
It seems like a lot of costume dramas prioritize having actresses looking attractive to contemporary audiences over historical accuracy (e.g. having visible makeup when not historically appropriate or having hair worn down).
This is really what Bernadette's work is about - broadening the modern viewer's aesthetic knowledge. (Her summation at the end of this video is brilliant *chefs kiss*)
Yes I agree, but I feel like Bernadette coming from a costuming background should point out that directors aren’t going to stand their female leads not “looking attractive” in a historical romance. 🙃 Like the one with the practically winged eyeliner I understand but Belgravia’s hair and makeup didn’t take me out of it at all.
About Ammonite, I read an interview with Francis Lee (the director) where he said that when he arrived on location at the house they filmed in he immediately noticed that the door handles were inaccurate for the era and he tried to get them changed but they couldn’t delay filming on such a tight budget - I guess it’s a shame that they technically don’t get a 100% score for accuracy because of them, but I just love that he cared so much, and did so much research that his white whale was DOOR HANDLES
As an ethical Chinese (I'm Taiwanese), I'll put Mulan in "they...not even tried" (with costumes from Turandot), but I do appreciate your effort and your opinion;) Because they put Mulan herself with the wrong race in wrong country and fight the wrong enemy, she supposed to be dressed like a Mongolian soldier, or Mongolian women.
My mandarin teacher told us a little about this; she is meant to be from the Northern Wei, right? Fighting against one of the nomadic khanates in what is now Mongolia?
Also the whole thing where long loose hair was supposed to signify that she was a woman?? I'm not an expert in China but I know enough about Asian history to know that most adults would have had long hair--and watched enough Chinese dramas to know it's actually a drama trope for men to have their hair loose and women to have it up.
@@lnorlnor I think both men and women should have their hair up, adult men also have to wear hats, or cover their buns with fabric. If it’s around 500BC, women will also wear a low ponytail. If it’s Ching dynasty, men should do a braid, and shave their front hair, because of the segregation. Children who’s hair is not long enough can make a half bun. The loose hair is really a Japanese thing, became very popular in Heian dynasty. So if you see people have loose hair in the Asian painting, you can first make a guess it’s not Chinese or Korean.
As a Chinese person I can say Mulan was a hot mess in terms of historical accuracy (especially the makeup), they didn’t even hire a Chinese designer lmao. But I doubt it will be better if they did cause I also haven’t seen a remotely historically accurate Chinese period drama in a long time :o I wish information on Chinese historical dress would be easier to find so costumers can actually recreate periods instead of relying on stereotypical silhouettes which are so boring
its not about that. most chinese period drama knows the silhouette and made the costume better or flashier and its 1000x more accurate than mulan 2020. the mulan 2020 movie did the panda express version....its so bad and disrespectful that they should have just made it accurate...instead of "trying to make it better but ended up looking like panda express and just enforcing chinese prejudice like manchu qing fashion"
@@angelabby2379 Not sure where the Qing fashion bit is going cause Qing fashion (both Manchu and Han) is also really badly represented in the media... like we see a lot of it but almost none of it is actually accurate. Growing up I watched Qing Dynasty dramas set in the 17th or 18th centuries where the actresses are wearing headpieces from the late 19th century Edit: after doing some deep dives into Chinese drama and film costuming I completely disagree with this comment, most Chinese costume designers don’t know what they’re doing and it’s unfortunate.
@@katarinatomac4376 I heard that Serenade of Peaceful Joy (set in the Song Dynasty) and Longest Day in Chang’an (Tang Dynasty) are pretty ok costume-wise, but I’ve only watched the latter. I wish I could share more but there really aren’t so many accurate dramas :(
I'd love to have this become an annual thing - a wrap-up of all period drama-ish movies and series released throughout the year 🙈✨ I am also, once again, extremely jealous of your red blouse and I hope we'll see the promised project of making a set of aesthetic blouses at some point in the new year 😊
I think with Catherine the great specifically the hair down was a choice. She has her hair down initially to show her innocence and youth. After she realizes that Peter is not what she hoped for her hair goes up.
Re the 1890 sleeves: Just got an Anne of Green Gables (the book) flashback: "If sleeves get any bigger, a girl will have to go through a door sideways." I'm sure that was exactly during the sleeve size shifts.
The books are supposed to be set in the early 1870s, but they were published in the early 1900s. I imagine that, by then, L.M. Montgomery had forgotten exactly when it was that sleeves got so huge lol
@@princezzpuffypants6287 thank you for saying this! Anne was in her 50s in Rilla of Ingleside, which was set during WW1, meaning all these TV adaptations that set Anne of Green Gables in the 1890s are just straight up anachronistic. I personally love 1870s fashion and prefer it to 1890s so I feel like they're really missing out by choosing to set it at the wrong time - although it bothers me to think that it's actually just that the people making the adaptations haven't read the entire series so simply don't know.
@@abigar-k I agree. I loved Megan Follows as Anne (and the entire cast of that series), but the timeline is so confusing (and, of course "The Continuing Story" was just nuts...). There is a BBC production of the first 3 books (?) from the 70s, but Green Gables has been lost. Avonlea is pretty impressive, imo. I sincerely cannot recall whether or not they altered the timeline in that one at all
I just got this sudden feeling I’d like to hear Bernadette’s thoughts on Black Butler even though it’s an animated fantasy retelling of the Victorian era, I just want to know if she’d like the thought put into the clothes and especially Ciel’s outfits
same with shows like Over The Garden Wall-- it's animated and fantasy-based, but I think she might appreciate details like different door handles and building structures for the different time periods portrayed
@@chillinginthenameof Even from just the perspective of a reader with no real historical knowledge, it was SO blasphemous that I had to phone a friend immediately 😂
Thank you! Even as late as the 1950's and 1960's, when I was a little girl, people had their "Sunday" clothes (meaning their nicest) and their day-to-day clothes and children definitely had their play clothes versus their school clothes. This was done to reduce wear and extend the life. There's a REASON old houses did not have closets in the bedrooms. At most they might have a piece of furniture called a "wardrobe." Most people did not have that many outfits. And a new dress really WAS a big deal. As Bernadette said, under things were changed each day, but nothing else was. Going back to the 19th century, the average woman had two or three dresses. The nicest she wore to church; the others she wore day-to-day. The average man might have one set of overalls, one pair of dress pants and maybe one pair of jeans. (If it seems funny that overalls were common, remember this was a time when farming was the most common types of work.) Also? I remember only taking a bath Saturday nights. Once a week. And it was Saturday night so you'd be the cleanest for church on Sunday.
In Bridgertons the MC woman (Daphne) did not wear chemises beneath her corsets and so many of us are horrified by the marks shown (highlighted) on her skin. Gah!
I was just screaming about the tight lacing the mother was trying to force on her daughters... not only was that not really a thing until MUCH later in history, but also with the beauty standard of the Regency period being for a more plump woman as a show of wealth, why would a mother intentionally try to make her daughter look poor by lacing her in tightly?
In the book Daphne was scratched and bruised from falling into a thorny bush when trying to break up a fight between her brother and Simon. I believe that scene was shown to reference that fight and her indiscretion and a nod to those who read the book.
@@monekaswan4010 that is a nice thought but the scene was not in the episode and the marks were from tight corseting touching her skin. They were not abrasions.
People keep pointing that out about the Ugg boot image. Aside from that, the older girls/women wore their hair down, did not wear bonnets or hair coverings, and likely did not wear proper underclothing. In short: they had too modern a look to them.
@Isabella Kohler But underclothes played a large part in the structure of the dress back then, so if someone was to wear the wrong underclothes, you'd be able to tell as the dress would not be the right shape.
@@carag2567 yeah, exactly. Even Elizabeth Taylor in the taming of shrew from 1967, was obviously wearing her distinctive makeup, which looks frankly out of place for the time period, the movie was supposedly set in renaissance Italy.
@@carag2567 same haha! I watched Funny Girl once and never again first because it was a downer, lol, but also because the costuming was SO confusing and, at one point **garishly** 60s 😆
I do remember a director of a '60s film about WW2 arguing that the characters couldn't have pukka 1940s hairstyles, as the viewers would find their appearance so odd it would distract them from following the plot. My response to that is unprintable!
Besides enjoying the deserved roasting if blasphemous hair and makeup, I really appreciate how you seperate the costumes from the show in how much you liked the show or not. All around fun, and looking forward to this next year of costume reviews
"the floof of your choice" "now he's fallen asleep... and I can't get up" "I'm trapped!" Only Bernadette can make me laugh so much when talking about a sponsor XD
@@elliel4736 because, in 2020, with aaaalll of the available research, they put the leads in friggin u g g s. UGGS! And they didn't even try with, like, anything.
@@annamermaid6359 Not to be ~that person~ but they did try with literally everything else. Yes, the costuming is wild, but the movie is incredible and definitely worth a watch. It sucks because I agree with the costuming critique but it was one of my favorite movies I've seen in a long time and the only coverage it gets on YT is my favorite fashion historical/design channels hating on it :(
The thing with historical films and shows is that people who aren’t necessarily interested or knowledgeable with historical dress and don’t actively see museums etc usually look at the films think “Wow! That must be what everyone worn!” which is incorrect for many reasons. If something is inaccurate, people are likely to just think that’s what everyone worn and then we get a bunch of misconceptions about clothing etc. That’s why I think it’s good to have a degree of accuracy so people who aren’t actively researching dress can get a better understanding of the clothing rather than what people see as _victorian big poofy crinoline skirts and tiny ringlets forever!_
It's the same when it comes to fighting scenes in movies and shows, or even at fairs. Historically you would probably have never done a full spin whilst swinging your weapon because you leave your back unguarded. And they never ever keep their shields up...
I can tell you as a former prop person for a (mostly) classical/shakespeare theatre company, we would get letters from people who thought they knew better because of "that richard the third with al pacino" that they saw once.
@@magpiedc you should come to a medieval fair. If I got 5 bucks for everytime people asked me whether "that fire is real" burning with a 1 m roasting spit underneath it whilst we cooked our food...
@@skullslace2426 - Yeah. I find it less important in films and show as of course there must be some artistic liberty when it comes to fighting to make the scene interesting to the audience but it’s very very nice to have at least three things that are historically accurate. Like a certain fighting technique that was iconic and a certain way they protected them self etc. But of course, there has to be a slight degree of inaccuracy if it makes the film more appealing. It’s the small details which are the best!
I really love that in the 2021 version of this you brought in other experts in different cultural periods to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge. I hope you keep doing that in future versions of this. :)
I said the same thing to my husband earlier when he asked why I like looking at historical accuracy in costumes. I said to imagine someone making a movie set in the 2020 pandemic. Everyone would be in elasticised waists. 😬 In reality, people vary a lot in age, social position, personal preferences, body shape, how much they follow fashion and they always have.
I read an interview with Anya Taylor-Joy in which she said that a large number of the clothes she wore were actually vintage, and that she got to keep them all (although they're part of a touring exhibition at the moment). That certainly explains why they look so damn good.
I'm not an expert, but I really enjoyed how even as someone who isn't SUPER well versed in vintage clothes, I could pretty much pinpoint the exact year we were in based on what she was wearing. That shows you how much thought was put into that aspect of it! Plus it was fun to explain to my partner who is pretty much fashion illiterate what a poodle skirt or a mod dress are haha
Interestingly enough, after watching the newest version of Little Women and paying extra close attention, the Uggs don't actually ever appear on screen. They are wearing the shoes meant to be worn with their costume which leads me to believe that this photo of the dreaded Uggs that keeps making the rounds could possibly be from a rehearsal of that particular scene and the Uggs were simply worn in between takes🤷♀️
According to Wikipedia, production on Little Women began in Boston in October. 🥶🥶🥶 Uggs were probably chosen to be warm and easily removable for the real costume shoes. Makes sense to wear between takes.
The costumes are terrible and not historically accurate in the slightest and that’s not even to mention the hair or make up. But besides that they were ugly the mismatching colors where horrible and the random layering was terrible
@samantha ssmith - and yet, that's a plausible reading of history. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz The show is definitely intentionally set in an AU but that part at least has some attestation where it may be possible.
23:45 I think it might, in part, be the fault of the actors or producers; like, they might say "that's unflattering" and ask for things that fall closer to the modern standard of beauty. Kind of like how Emma Watson doesn't want to wear a corset because of her preconceived notions of the item.
I can't finish this video without mentioning that the glimpses of Cesario are always welcome, but this one of him posing as a sleepy kitten is beyond adorable and explores vast realms of human-to-guinea pig relationships that I had not idea existed. That is the happiest rodent I've ever seen since the 1991 passing of my dear rat, Marshmallow, who also very much enjoyed being a lap lump for watching period drama with.
One reason I think historically accurate dress is important is that we often have this mistaken idea that contemporary Western tastes (and values, and ways of living etc.) are universal and sort of neutral - "Oh, of course men like women who look like this, it's natural!" So it's nice to see a show where we can properly contextualize our own current tastes as being specific to a time and place.
I remember reading the enola homes books in 6th grade and I always assumed that it was very accurate clothing-wise because her clothing was such a big part of her investigating and detective work she'd use it to disguise herself or to hide things because of the multiple layers. The book starts off with her mother making off of the family fortune by hiding it in the padding of her dress
I call this scale: "from 'this looks like time travel' to 'It looks like a headless chicken designed this with the inspiration of one of those t-shirts with bow ties on them'" p.s. if you haven't read the seeds of America trilogy, it's super great, though somewhat unrelated ♥
Many years ago my grandmother was asked by a film company to draw all the dresses she remembered from her childhood (1920s) - both hers and her mother’s. When the film was released she was disappointed to see her mother’s best Sunday dress being worn by the cook with an apron over the top. 😂
For anyone interested in historically accurate Chinese dress, or Hanfu, here are a few series that pay close attention to costuming. In chronological order, Warring States/Qin Dynasty ("Qin Dynasty Epic" and "Legend of Haolan"), Han Dynasty/Three Kingdoms ("Red Cliff" and "Secret of the Three Kingdoms"), Tang Dynasty ("Longest Day in Chang'An" and "Rise of Phoenixes"), Song Dynasty/Northern and Southern ("Story of Minglan" and "Serenade of Peaceful Joy"), Yuan (??), Ming Dynasty ("Imperial Doctress"), and Qing Dynasty ("Yanxi Palace.") If someone can suggest good examples for Yuan and Ming Dynasty costuming please let me know. I haven't watched enough dramas set in those eras
@@lunasylnodel happy to share! Longest Day in Chang’An would be a great place to start. The first few eps are subbed and on UA-cam. It’s a beautiful production and set in the most famous Chinese dynasty
Are a lot of these historically accurate? I watch enough Chinese dramas to note that some of these costumes are crazy inaccurate. For one, the repetitive wardrobes regardless of the time period. Yanxi Palace had a scene where a saxophone was played (emperor had a western orchestra presented to him) which should not have been available in that era so I immediately started questioning the costumes. I also have my doubts about Rise of the Phoenixes from the vibrant colors to questionable polyester looking fabrics. They look absolutely beautiful, but accurate? I have my doubts. Very strong doubts. I tend to write off almost all dramas if the color palette has a vibrant fuchsia, royal blue, mauve or bold purple as a dominant color or really just on any clothing. Quite frankly, I often write of extremely bright colors in general. A lot of different color dyes certainly existed but some of these colors are not happening in some of these time periods.
@@rimun5235 Bright colors have existed in dyes for a long time. Just search up Germanic “barbarian” civilizations historical costume like the Gauls lol. Movies have perpetuated this idea that we were wearing dirt colored hemp rags in ancient times. Some colors were certainly rarer and more difficult to produce in certain regions of the world, mainly deep purples and blues, hence their association with royalty (but this is also a Western cultural relevancy). But colors like purple, yellow, ruby, and more have all been referenced in Ancient Tang poetry. You’ll see them in art as well
@@rimun5235 also Yanxi is based on the Qianlong emperor’s reign which lasted almost 100 years, ending in 1799, at which time there were a sizable population of Jesuit missionaries and a growing community of Europeans. I never finished that drama so I can’t speak to that particular scene, so if there was a saxophone that’d be about 50 years too early. Qianlong was quite interested in Western countries so built a series of hybrid East West style palaces and collected paintings, instruments, etc brought by European diplomats. However they were mostly looted and burnt by invading soldiers following the Opium War and some pieces are still circulating in public auctions today....ah yes, sweet colonialism...As for the polyester? Silk was a commonly used fiber and if they did end up using polyester to imitate its look I imagine it’s probably for budgetary purposes
@@nnjandy Eh, I agree and disagree at the same time. I have a difficult time telling people apart in general. I personally can't really differentiate between differ white people with similar color hair and sometimes eye color, but I also have difficulty with other races. African American woman with particular hair will honestly look the same to me as others with the same hair style, especially I don't know them very well. I need to talk to people and seriously study their faces to really be able to pick them out of a crowd regardless of hair color or style, but I think that's true for everyone because human brains are pretty lazy. Categorizing people is normal and a common brain shortcut. I'm technically Asian, but I have been mistaken for both Polynesian and Hispanic. And yes, I have difficulty telling Asians apart. Also, I find it funny when people misplace my ethnicity, not offended, so chill. Everyone is one of those people, but I mean, Avenue Q, man.🤷🏾♀️
@Joyous Kekistani -- right there with ya, except I am Hispanic and have been mistaken for Asian and Native (really super-pale olive-toned skin in the winter). And while I have a better memory for faces, I still struggle sometimes with telling ppl apart, especially if it's from an ethnicity I haven't much interacted with. Ex. although I have less trouble telling Middle-Eastern, African, Mexican, the generalized mixed-European-caucasian "white" folk look and for some reason Scandinavianesque featured-people apart, I have more trouble with Japanese and Chinese, and lighter-skinned Korean and Spanish people when in groups of unknowns, particularly when mixed with strong European ancestory.
I'm a male writing a science fiction novel about a young 21st century woman who is magically transported back to 1861. Being a serious history buff, I've tried being as historically accurate as possible within the context of the story. After watching a couple of your and Karolina's videos, I had to completely rewrite the section where she gets her first corset because she (and I) had totally bought the modern view of corsets and Civil War era clothing. It's actually been kind of fun having my expectations subverted by reality. 😁
Little Women is a toss-up for me, because though most aspects of the costumes were pretty contrived, the costume designers DID put in a lot of thought -- just in different areas. Like how there are several articles of clothing that Jo and Laurie share back and forth throughout the film, and how hairspray was banned from the set and the girls often actually did each other's hair, giving it a genuine -- if not historically authentic -- feel, in my opinion.
I read once an analysis of the colours each of the girls wear and their meanings, it seemed really interesting (ex. it said Beth mostly wears lavender, a colour that in many countries was associated with death and mourning). So yeah, I'd say the costume designer probably chose to forego certain things in favour of others
That's why I don't think being historically accurate is a measure for being a good costume or not. I obviously enjoy watching videos reviewing and discussing the fashion of the era and how they relate to costuming, but I think in movies/Tv costumes are much more a representation of subtext than something to place the subject in a time frame.
Their clothes were impractical. They had like 50 dresses that they’re wore in the film and each of them had a dress each day which back then poor families would wear their clothes to death because dresses were very expensive
Also everyone uses the Ugg’s as an argument against the accuracy but they aren’t even seen in the movie it’s self, I’m pretty sure it was just a behind the scenes photo of what the actress was wearing because it was cold but it wasn’t actually in the movie. It’s just frustrating
@@natashabe0715 right! I never saw them in the movie. If people find THAT scandalous, I could show them behind-the-scenes pictures of Arwen in Lord of the Rings wearing full elven costume on her top half (for the scene) and blue jeans on her bottom half LOLOL
Ok I have to say this: other than just thinking they were “pretty” I’m just glad that the movie version of Enola Holmes’s story doesn’t have her complaining about corsets and how restricting they are and all that every five minutes like she does in the book; that is the /one/ bit of “accuracy” I’ll give it in relation to the costumes: Enola doesn’t vehemently hate corsets as being a “restriction on women” or some such tosh
to my recollection, she actually does. granted, she doesn't rail on it every five minutes, but when she's changing into her red dress she says something along the lines of "corsets: a symbol of restriction and opression for all women"
I feel like that is such a weird thing to say, like you wouldn’t have a modern movie where someone’s getting dressed and they suddenly declare, “bras, what a symbol of oppression against women!”
I think it’s really good how Bernadette handles areas she has less knowledge. She acknowledges her lack of expertise, but still does her best to represent it as well as she can and looks to others with more knowledge and cultural understanding. So much respect!
On one hand I would love this, on the other hand can you imagine the chaos of Bernadette "I hand-sew everything for historical accuracy" Banner teaming up with Micharah "I hot glue pieces of fabric to my body" Tewers
The woman in the Bridgertons who was out of period dress was supposed to be Queen Charlotte who used to wear 18c and liked the formality .. however, she wasn't even alive when the books are set 1840s.
The books are set in the Regency around the time of 1815 and upwards. I know the 4th, 5th, and 6th books are set in 1824. When the series starts, Queen Charlotte is alive and George 3 still alive. George 4 is the regent the period is named after. 1840 is Victorian, not Regency.
I like the blasphemous hair and makeup category. I had to stop watching Anne with an e when there was an extreme closeup on Marilla Cuthbert's clumpy mascara.
I didn't notice that, but I also watch on a laptop not a large TV. I have to say as someone who loved the books and the original movie, and the Avonlea TV show, I was more bothered by the change in character in Anne and the fact that Matthew doesn't die than by anything else. But I also don't appreciate to the same level as pretty much everyone else on Bernadette's channel the accurate clothing or hair and makeup. I know next to nothing about actual periods of fashion, I definitely can't tell fabric choices easily on a screen, and I don't care two figs about hair styles. I can usually tell if they have gone overboard in the makeup department though. I definitely appreciate that someone cares about these things, I'm just not sure if it matters to the entertainment value for the average person like me.
@@super_siri "I have to say as someone who loved the books and the original movie, and the Avonlea TV show, I was more bothered by the change in character in Anne and the fact that Matthew doesn't die than by anything else." omg I'm so happy it's not just me! Everybody seems to be in love with the show, but as someone who recently read the books (and grew up with the anime as a kid, which is actually way more accurate) the way they changed the story really bothered me, and I just couldn't continue past a point. That's just not my Anne. And if you say Matthew doesn't even die..that's one of the fundamental cardins of the story, i really can't imagine it otherwise!
@@super_siri i agree with you 100% I can understand a different look at Anne and how in reality she would have some trauma, but they totally Michael Landoned it (If you never watched Little House on the Prairie, it was mostly a vehicle for Michael Landon (he played Pa Ingles), and was complete BS in relation to the books. On the Matthew dying issue, L.M. Montgomery regretted having him die so soon, so it was sorta rectified. The thing they really missed out on was the hints that Matthew was probably gay.
@@YTistooannoying never knew that L. M. Montgomery regretted having him die so soon. And gay makes so much sense, but I didn't realize that as a child, and I haven't read the books in years, although they are definitely in my list for next year (possibly this year if I read my next three books quickly).
I'm a Makeup artist, and while I can only speak for myself, historical hairstyles are a big focus in my training. But sadly more in the way of "here is a historical portrait, try to replicate the exact Hairstyle" and less focusing on the way and methods people in that period used to make these typical silouettes and hairstyles. I feel like there is a big devide between replicating something with modern techniques and understanding how something happened in the first place, so when you have to do a lot of different and interesting hairstyles you fall back on the typical "oh I've seen that before somewhere" 🤷♀️
the costuming. was beautiful, but they messed with the actual story line in a way I could not appreciate, I much preferred the Gwyneth Paltrow version.
@@laniwiens6574 Ah I understand. Reminds me how most people prefer the Pride and Predjudice series to the movie as it's more true to the book but I still love the art of the movie. Each to their own!
"I have made up a chart. I have tons of notes." Bernadette, dear, if you don't want people to notice you're an immortal, you might not want to give us such big clues.
"it was a Design Choice(TM)" feels right for Bridgerton because, as a fan of the book series who knows nothing about the TV show, I knew exactly who that character was and why the designer decided to dress her that way, even though the book character would probably have worn something more period-appropriate.
While somewhat accurate, I’m perturbed by her comment. Like, don’t make trash comments that will effect or sway other potential viewers when A) Shes never read the novels, B) it’s not even out yet.
Lmaooo me, a 21-year-old woman, with half my closet full of clothes I got as hand-me-downs from friends, mom, siblings, etc in middle school. And the other half thrifted since :,) my favorite shirt is a blue button-down I shared with my dad when I was like 16 that I took from his closet when he passed at the beginning of this year.
I guess it’s a bigger club than I thought 🤣 I have a coat purchased at age 19, now I’m 45 and have finally decided to let it go. Black is not a good colour on me 🤦♀️
I still have tshirts I got from HS.. (I am not 52).. I wore a very basic stretch knit skirt with elastic waistband (they were from a line called MULTIPLES and were very swap out but very comfortable very 1980s but very simple).. I wore one of the skirts from there for like 20 years!
It was a cop out that they didn’t use a Chinese designer for Mulan. I was wardrobe supervisor in college and when we did a Chinese opera and about 5 teachers came from China to help with direction and costume design. I still remember a teacher explaining me to me in Manderin, which I do not speak, how to properly tie a sash. Anyway, if my University could do it, Disney could do it.
Is there something that this movie actually got right? They didn't even hire the right people!
You would think with them try to snuggle up to Winnie the Pooh they would get actual Chinese people
Disney could do it but the problem is they never want to. They've always taken the "easiest" route and the mainstream path, whatever appeals to the masses and little kids instead of being accurate in any manner. Their point would be "it is fantasy and as long as it is aesthetically pleasing..." that is all that matters.🤷🏻♀️
@@ebonyloveivory It's kind of insulting really to treat the film goer as dumb and ignorant. Reality is so much more interesting and exciting but I guess the bottom line is all about cost and making money.
@@10AntsTapDancing It is all about profit margins in the end, sadly. 😫 From what I notice, even if they spare no expense, they will gear towards visually stimulating ideas and focus more on the storylines instead of worrying about accuracy.😅
There was a scene in Bridgerton where Daphne is changing, and she is shown wearing a corset with no under garments. All I could think was "Bernadette would not approve..."
i also thought, i remember bernadette talking about corsets, what would she think 😁
Me too! :D Also, the scene with her bruising from the corset made me wince.
@@SmallFaerie Right!? It looked so uncomfortable.
Sameeeee. Like I saw that corset scene where they were tight-lacing somebody and was annoyed as those would not be the appropriate period undergarments.
Oh that tight lacing scene was so unnecessary! Her waist wouldn't even be seen because the silhouette is empire *face palm*
Bernadette: "so this dress gives me a late 1800's feel."
Me, who knows nothing about clothes: "ah, yes, i see🤔"
Same
bruh same
Over 1k likes?! For this dumb joke?! This comment section is the best!😊💖
Ahaha, that's literally me watching any video ever. I never understand but pretend like I do.
Meeee😂
Love that (damning) statement: "Literally Victorian. As in: The costumes take place in all seven decades of it".
that made me laugh so hard lol
I know, it's like everyone wore the hippie look for 70 years
Oh dear
As a Chinese, I rank Mulan as Panda Express Level
What does Panda Express mean?
@@danigeo5673 american chinese restaurant
Yeah, I heard that the architecture, makeup, hair and clothing were all this mishmash of Chinese fashions with no rhyme or reason beyond, it seems, ☆aesthetic☆ or some shit.
I assume you mean the RL one?
How would you rate the old animated one?
I almost died from choking after reading this.
I feel like you needed a “...They didn’t even try” tier. Lol
Underneath "they ... tried" is an even worse tier "... but did they try tho?"
@@Ryujin713 *cough*EnolaHolmes*cough*
F**k yeah!!!!
yes for Enola Holmes .... I didn't watch the film, but I saw Katerina's review
"They Tried" is Bernadette's euphemism for "Hot Mess"
Just a fun fact about Marie Skłodowska Curie - she had one dress for years - as written in her biography by her daughter Eve:
'This dress, which she kept for years and years, to be transformed from time to time by a little dressmaker (...) Marie knew nothing of fashions and had no taste. But the discretion and reserve which were the very mark of her character saved her being conspicuous and created a sort of style in her dress'
(Eve Curie - 'Madame Curie, a Biography' page 230)
Ooooo...that's so interesting, and really adds a lot to fleshing out her character as a person. Today she'd totally be one of those lab rats with 5 of the same black everything, living on Huel and giving no fucks for a single thing that goes on outside the key-carded doors. :-D
Very interesting thx for sharing
Thanks for using her full name! 🙌
@@KatushkaM why is it important to use her full name? :o
@@CptBlm Well sometimes people forget that she's polish I even saw someone calling her british once. Since I am from Poland it's pretty obvious to call her by the full name.
One of my favorite things about Bernadette is how she speaks like a private school headmistress but occasionally has contemporary slang and memeage sprinkled in her vernacular and does it seamlessly (pun intended).
Ikr, Bernadette speaks with a Posh kind of accent but with Modern slang. I remember having an English teacher, she was one of the Best teachers I've ever had, Bernadette really Reminds me of her
Spot on observation! Could not agree more
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She has a beautiful trans-atlantic accent
incredibly accurate, down to the "headmistress" part - when she sighed and asked, like, "what was this supposed to be?" for enola holmes, i literally had the exact feeling you get when a high school teacher asks you to stay after class and you *know* you didnt do a good job on your essay
gentleman jack: chef’s kiss costuming
ammonite: chef’s kiss costuming
me: ah, i see the sapphics have done it again
wlw are all about the aesthetics of it so like. when we're given control of aesthetics we go HARD for the Look^tm
I feel like if it’s a story about lesbians, everyone just gets to slide under the radar and avoid the executive micromanagers because they assume no one will want to see it. More creative control for the history-nerd designers and filmmakers! Best case scenario!
I was actually hoping that Portrait Of A Woman On Fire would be reviewed/ranked, even though I saw it last year
I wanted to see Dickenson ranked but I think it's 2019 not 2020 could be wrong though
@@MsVorpalBlade I think that's a 2019 film by US release date. I only managed to see it in '19 because I went to a festival though, it wasn't out in my country (UK) until February this year!
"The women in this show are basically props." SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID.
Weren't we at one time or another just that??
@@CowGirlKat8691 no, woman did plenty of valuable things independent of how society viewed them.
Even "leisure class" adult women had more social/political standing than children (only ever taken to the public for prop purposes) from Aristotles Greece to Victorian England
Not that modern improve aren't valuable
@@fionafiona1146 unless they were royal children. Oh, and today's children and previous centuries children is two different categories, age wise, as in today we, at least in western society, do not think it is normal to a 14 boy to be a king and lead men to the battle, or 12 years old girl to get married...
@@chrissiek8706 they to were puppets, as long as their "advisors" kept them labeled as "children"
Not that modern 12-16 year old aren't similarly capable of running households or countries, our standards have raised
@@fionafiona1146 yes, we definitely raised standards for ourselves, letting children be children for a bit longer
The fact that the thumbnail for Little Women is just a close up of the uggs absolutely sends me
I love Micarah Tewers review of Little Women, it's so chaotic, incisive, and has Bernadette's approval!
Except the uggs were never actually in the movie, wasn't that a production still someone took? The actress was clearly wearing them because they were more comfortable and not visible in the shot, anyway
@@Spelaea yep. Uggs are pretty common on-set footwear. You see them all the time in set pictures.
🤣🤣 I never noticed until she mentioned it in a video. It was pretty sad that it was intended in the film and not a mistake.
Micarah Tewers vid on little women was awesome! Costume CO is also a great channel and looks at fantasy, sci fi and so on.
The only way I could tell the three older Bridgerton sons apart was by their side burns, lol
omfg same!! after 5 episodes i finally got it but it was so hard lol
they have different sideburns? XD I got Collin easy but Benedict and Adam? Anthony? The A one I mixed up at first.
@@lania2246 Who's Adam?
It's actually a running gag in the books that all eight siblings look very much alike.
What do you mean there were three??
Bernadette: *thoroughly explaining what they did and didn't get right*
Me: *nodding along pretending I already knew everything*
Yup. Here's me expecting The Alienist to get Chef's Kiss and...nope... I did stop watching Self Made because the costumes were soooo atrocious I couldn't stand it, so I feel justified about that one.
@@erinchristman2669 Same, I expected more from The Alienist, I guess their budget went to everything else :)
Watch Prior Attire here on UA-cam she does layer by layer demos of various historical clothing, mostly women but some men’s outfits too.
I’m a costumer in film and television so I can add a little bit to your comment on The Great! From my experience the pilot/first episode is shot with a completely different team and sometimes a year in advance to the first season. Once a show is confirmed to be picked up then they hire the team for that coming season, sometimes it’s the same designer but usually it’s someone different. I’ve worked on shows where the pilot continuity was so bad we’ve had to go back and reshoot a lot!
Also editing to add, the amount of times I’ve worked with a designer who spends massive amount of times arguing with the head of Hair and Makeup because they haven’t done proper research on the era we’re shooting is RIDICULOUS!! Not just for historical shows but for 50’s-80’s, it takes away from all the research and work we in the Wardrobe department do trying to recreate decades properly 😭😭
oh wow yeah that explains a lot here. Thanks for the insight!
Shout out to you lovely people who do such amazing work and don't get the credit you deserve ❤
I feel so much for the designers who pour their souls into creating a rich and genuine immersive world with the costumes and then someone from Makeup breaks out the bronzer
I trained as a make-up artist for film & tv back in 1999 (I don't still do make-up) and one of the things we were taught was to research the time period and how to do different lip shapes, eyebrows,colours etc, it annoys me how it doesn't happen so much now!
I did hair and makeup for a musical theatre program for years and took immense pride in the amount of work I put into accuracy. Let me tell you, a LOT of girls tried to convince me that just curling their hair would be enough. You wish, kid. This is the Music Man and you're playing an old woman. No loose ringlets or beach waves for you lol
On the "does it matter" question: I actually think showing historically accurate hair and makeup can be really valuable because it shows how arbitrary and changeable socially constructed beauty standards are. When you watch all these period pieces with historical clothing but modern hair and makeup, it creates a sense that today's styles are just this timeless definition of what a beautiful person looks like. On the other hand, when you see a gorgeous star wearing something that seems strange to our modern eyes, it reminds us of all the myriad ways a person can be beautiful. A greater appreciation for the diversity of human appearance is sorely needed in our society, so I think accurate hair and makeup is actually important.
I agree, but I guess there can be this tricky-to-navigate middle ground. If a character is particularly attractive or fashion-forward and that is relevant in-setting, then modern audiences need to know that, in-universe, other characters perceive them that way. It can be difficult to fully convey that given that we don't have the sensibilities of the time.
I watched a painting restoration video here on UA-cam where the guy removed an a painted-over face from an older painting -- one more modern era didn't find the woman beautiful so made her prettier by their standards! Was so cool to show how beauty has always always
As a hair and makeup artist I believe a lot these blasphemous instances are due to the actresses themselves not wanting to look “unattractive” by modern standards. You see this even in modern film & television shows. Whether it be characters who are stranded in the desert with their hair & makeup still perfect, or characters who are months or years into a prison sentence with perfectly bleached hair and false eyelashes. Many actresses, especially the older and more famous they are, have control over these things written into their contract. They’re not willing to look “unattractive” on camera no matter how unrealistic it is for the character.
@@zoeaargh do you have a link?
Great insight!
I think The Great's outfits are a design choice which match its other anachronisms. Like how the title cards say 'an occasionally true story', or how the dialogue mixes Shakespearean parody with 'fuck' every five seconds.
that show is chaotic and i love it. it is consistent in its chaos, if that makes sense
It's totally design choice... they tried to look "like russian" in 18 century. The dress for coronation and a "fantasy" by kokoshnik was look so weird ...
I was an extra on the Great, Russian Peasant #17. 😂 The ladies who dressed us were really conscious of the time and detail. I remember one of them was even particular about how this random woman’s boot was laced, even if there was 0.01% chance that it would be on screen.
I loved how the noblewomen wore their wigs as hats
The Great really gave me the vibe that they used details from the time period/ silhouettes but modern materials/ styling. I thought it was actually really good for the series, which is not in anyway historically accurate. Like the series, the clothes used period details ( or people) to convey a modern story.
This is fascinating and assuring to know, thank you so much for sharing.
I was an extra in some II WW film (don't remember the title, it was German), the dressing team asked us to specifically wear a non wired bras and some looser undies. For the extras that wouldn't be really in focus
@@PizzaHorseProductions apparently that’s fairly historically accurate. Russia was trying to be apart of Europe at the time (culturally speaking) but it’s not like they had many references for what was in fashion, at least that’s what I remember reading somewhere, I could be totally off base
Time for Bernadette to do a full costume review of "Bridgerton", now that the show is out on Netflix!
I can forgive the costumes as an ”it was a design choice”, but I like the oldfashioned 18th century style on the Queen and her attendants, the very pristine style of Daphne, the over the top colours and decoration of the Featherington ladies (the seamstress in the series even comments on this!). It’s definitely not historically accurate and they’re not really trying to be.
Marina’s hair, though. *winces*
That pair of stilettos in epi 2 killed me!!
To some extent the 18th century style on the Queen is accurate! Queen Charlotte had super rigid rules about what people could wear at Court: the narrow trains and all white and feathers on the girls to be presented is accurate, though they should also have been wearing deeply unflattering hoops under their gowns. She was Queen, she could dictate what people wore at the royal Drawing Rooms, and she did and everyone suffered for it.
Yes! I came to request this. I’m one prisoner 5 and my (severely) untrained eye can see some definite style choices and some other things they got really right based on other Bernadette videos
I also really really need this, because it would be great to have her thorough breakdown of everything, but also because I need my rage at all the corsets with nothing underneath them validated haha
Bottom tier: "Did you use Spirit Halloween for wardrobe?!"
Or 'I could have found something more accurate in H&M'
See also: "It's a shame the Hot Topic store in the mall got closed and we can't return these."
Alternatively: wish.com haul gone wrong
@@ash-vj5vn To be fair, do Wish hauls ever go RIGHT?
@@sonipitts LMAO you right
“Why is she wearing bronzer?” Killed me
My mum is a fashion historian with a PhD in it and watching shows like this with her is a nightmare ahaha. She can’t focus on the show because she’s so annoyed about the clothes! She just made a costume course for designing clothing for TV! First one in England :)
That’s so cool!
Can you tell me what it's called? The course I mean
@@yasminhexe costume design for film and tv at Falmouth uni!
My husband was a Navy pilot and he ruins all related shows. Most notably Top Gun. I haven’t forgiven him for that so I feel your pain.
That’s so awesome!!
"I'm trash for anything set in history" is a phrase that just hits SO hard as a history major
Yep, same here:)
I shudder to think what "historically accurate" dress will be for something set in the 2000s when I'm 95 years old in a nursing home yelling at my grandkids about Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Jersey Shore
OMG. Compelled to respond because I get crazed over this. As someone who lived the 80s and 90s, and was very into fashion, really no shows do these accurately. Most not even close. If we can’t create accuracy with lived history that was also extremely well documented, something centuries old seems futile. Though I still love the attempts.
tell me why I read laguna as lasagna 😂😭
@@delaniallen7970 putting Lasagna Beach on my post-COVID trips bucket list, sounds way more satisfying and fulfilling anyway lol
“HIGH WAISTED JEANS?! IN 2005?! BACK IN MY DAY WE WORE OUR JEANS SO LOW THAT THERE WAS A PHRASE JUST TO DESCRIBE HOW OUR UNDERWEAR SHOWED OVER THE WAISTBAND!
AND THOSE ARENT CAPRIS, THOSE ARE CULOTTES!
WHERE. IS. THE. BLING. ON. THE. BACK. POCKETS!
DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE MAKEUP! CUT CREASES WERENT A THING UNTIL THE 2010s!”
No.. think about the Dollar General fuzzy pyjama bottoms and bunny slippers with a tshirt with some cutsy/sexually inappropriate innuendo on it.. shudder
Dear Bernadette, as a Chinese art historian I really appreciate that you acknowledged that there is a great deal of specialization inherent in studying the dress of different cultures and time periods. With Chinese dress, in particular, different types of dress tend to be associated with different dynasties. What people wore can be impacted by things we don't necessarily think about today. For example during the Tang Dynasty (7th-10th c.) women wore very thin, almost ethereal-looking, clothing. A famous type is the qixiong ruqun which would have been secured underneath the armpits. Whereas during the Ming Dynasty (14th-17th) women tended to wear long, pleated skirts and a long-sleeved blouse called aoqun that look much warmer. This is because the Tang Dynasty was one of the warmer dynasties and the Ming Dynasty was relatively colder. Even between the two dynasties that I tend to specialize in: the Ming and Qing there are quite a bit of difference in the clothing. The Ming dynasty was ruled by Han Chinese leaders and the Qing Dynasty was ruled by ethnically Manchurian leaders so you see the ways this translates into the clothing. The sleeves become more narrow rather than the wide Han-style sleeves because the Manchurians were nomadic people who rode horses and practiced archery. I think my issue with Mulan was less with the design of the clothing and more that it felt very surface level in its commitment to portraying "accurate" Chinese culture because it looked like a Chinese story but didn't feel like one. Not to mention the whole issue of shooting in Xinjiang while ignoring the Uighar concentration camps was a choice, Disney.
Also bonus fact! The image of the calligraphy of the ballad of Mulan you showed was written by Mi Fu, a famous Song dynasty calligrapher, who was by all accounts a total eccentric weirdo who liked collecting and inscribing on rock faces.
this is so interesting!! thank you
It's always so nice when they specifically pick an actress who would fit the aesthetics of the time period instead of whatever Hollywood actress is most popular.
Well, I don‘t mind them having actresses that don‘t fit the aestethic of the period in the movies, as long as it‘s clear that they are not considered to be the ultimate beauty in the story. Because let‘s be honest: There have always been people who don‘t „fit“ with the general beauty standard, and that‘s fine. It‘s just weird when the movie then pretends like they actually do fit.
Yes!! I love to see features accurate to the time period’s beauty standards. It really helps me forget about the modern world.
Casting unknown actors/actresses seems to work.
not really historic but Anya Taylor joy did it for me
@@tink6225 well it is because its in the 60s :)
A movie that suprised me with mostly historically accurate costumes was "A Muppets Chrstmas Carol". It's the Muppets, they didn't need to be that accurate and yet they did anyway! If the Muppets can do it, so can other movies.
Oh yeah! I loved Abby Cox's video review of it, it's astounding!
I just watched that yesterday! I love it!
The best Christmas movie ever!
Yes! I just watched it for the first time the other day and was so surprised.
There’s an account on Twitter called The Bill & Ted Test based on this premise - if a single throwaway (regency) scene in a Bill & Ted movie can achieve costuming excellence, actual historical dramas really aught to be able to. It’s a really fun account to follow.
Brigerton is definitely a design choice. Even their music during their line dances were modern. 😄 This episode is very informative. Thanks.
I literally came in from the other room to point out the string version of Bad Guy xD
There is Wildest Dreams too.
And thank u, next
That is exactly what I dislike. For example ‘the tudors’ was extremely american. And there is this knight film with modern music. Unwatchable.
It was honestly Reign 2.0 lol
I know it's older, but it would be good to hear your take on "Anne with an E". They talk quite a lot about what it's acceptable for different people (particularly women) to be wearing based on age and class. It would be interesting to know how accurate it is.
Abby Cox talked about it in her Not Like Other Girls video.
Didnt Bernadette already say in a previous review video ,,here’s my review: the costumes are fine” for Anne with an E?
I would honestly appreciate a rant about historically accurate makeup and hair in movies that sounds very interesting
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I vote for this as well. A lot of people review costumes, but rarely do they mention hair and makeup!
Yes, that would be fascinating!
Eyebrows too
Yes please
Watching Bernadette as her battery is about to die while my battery is about to die is not the shared experience I imagined when I joined the patreon group. I must say, I give the live chats a much higher approval rating.
🤣🤣🤣 0/10, did not meet expectations
As someone who is chinese i can say a lot of chinese designers take a lot of uh... cReAtIvE LiBeRtY when it comes to designing costumes for their own historical period dramas. As a chinese youtuber once said, most of chinese historical literature is is just fan fiction.
But if future videos do feature other cultures and historical clothing can i just nominate Five thousand Years and ShiYin as tribute?
I love watching costume C-drama but it's polyester galore over there! More than once I've seen a non-royalty character wearing YELLOW! 🤦
I assume you also watch Xiran Jay Zhao? :)
Apparently the half up half down hair in place of historical hairstyles for prettiness is a worldwide phenomenon. Fun human things :)
I am not chinese but I am curious about how well Nirvana in Fire stands up to historical accuracy
I mean Rise of the Phoenix probably isn't historically accurate, BUT the fashion looks realistic and isn't made from that cheap polyester plastic stuff. There was an actual effort put into the whole 70+ episodes.
I watched Merlin and was internally dying at the sight of modern clothes and modern makeup. And I think Merlin would have really benefited from actual medieval clothes!
Same
True it could maybe be in "It was a design choice" as it takes place in a magical World. But the hair and makeup was very mordern
Ugh totally although I still enjoyed it so at least it was able to be overlooked, at least by a ten year old haha
The costumes, the makeup, the hair, the architecture, the saddles and briddles, the "ancient language of magic" ... there is very little in that show that is historically accurate. The acting is bad or mediocre, but none of them are phoning it in.... The plots are so-so... But it's silly and fun, and the bromance between Merlin and Arthur is adorable.
If it's supposed to be a retelling of the Arthurian tales it should set in the Dark Ages, not Medieval times.
TBH I feel like screaming whenever the infamous Little Women Uggs debacle comes out - the photo was a behind the scenes long shot of the actresses in modern, foot preserving shoes for waist-up shots. In the film itself, NO Uggs are seen and in the long shot that makes it to the final cut, they are all, in fact, wearing historically accurate shoes.
It would have been pretty easy to bring in historically accurate winter boots that would have been at least as warm, though, and that would have improved the wide shots.
@Scott Finkelstein Have you ever seen behind the scenes photos of actors wearing 18th century gowns and puffer coats? I think production companies find it in their best interests to make their stars' comfort the #1 priority...not everyone has the method acting determination of Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn ;)
Even in the film though, their clothing was so loose fitting and not really historically accurate, except for maybe one dress that Meg wears to the dance. And their HAIR omg, was loose and down, not really accurate (except for maybe the youngest sister). But also this is just a film and maybe they were symbolizing their 'free spirits' and modernity of ideas for the time period. But for me, these details or lack of, really took me out of the movie.
It does seem unfair to judge the accuracy of the movie based on behind the cameras shots. But, they had nearly no bonnets in the movie, and that was a basic accessory back in the time.
Thanks for the heads up. I mean, there is enough to criticize fairly in that version, we don't need to drag in the unfair...
I still remember the movie people proudly talking about each sister having/preferring a specific color for their clothes, and I'm like "But...but... hand-me-downs..." The family's lack of wealth is so important to the story there is just no way they would not have inherited each other's clothes.
In fairness, we aren't so much watching Enola Holmes for the historical accuracy as we are to just stare at Henry Cavill....
I can’t argue with this...
Facts....
I was sooo afraid to tell Bernadette that!
It's so weird seeing a buff Sherlock Holmes. Just so wrong on so many levels. My Holmes loving buddies and I have dubbed him Sherlock Himbo.
Go to horny jail
I don't think I realized just how well Bernadette knows clothes until I watched this video. Her being able to tell a difference of a couple of years by the shape of the sleeves is like--well, my specialty is 50s-70s American vehicles, and this is like me knowing the difference between a '65 and a '66 C10 by where the badge is. And this woman's knowledge covers far more than 30 years and extends much farther back in history. What a legend.
"... Which takes place in 1897 **not that you would know it**"
SO MUCH SHADE
Oh my god I didn’t even notice the Ugg’s in Little Women 😂
@Ekaterina Selezneva THANK YOU gooossssh
Don't forget the wonderful corset on skin scenes in the Alienist ~*screams like a banshee into the stays and corset slander abyss*~
I literally turned it off at that scene. I mean, it was losing me already, but when that happened I was just like naaaaaaaah
to be fair they didn't do it again in season 2, but yes that must have been a pretty shitty day for Dakota Fanning ^^
GAAAHHHHH! I actually banshee shrieked at my poor watching partner about this at the time
I remember this Twitter post (I think I saw Karolina slamming them afterwards in the thread), where this girl was saying that corsets were dangerous because she wore one and got "tight laced" and couldn't breathe. She then posted a photo of her wearing it.
The photo had two very evident problems:
1) she wasn't wearing anything underneath it, no shift, no combinations, nothing.
2) the thing was clearly at least two sizes smaller than what her ideal fit would be.
It's not the corset's fault if you didn't bother to measure yourself correctly. She then went on to say that she had experience with period clothing, but clearly she didn't if she didn't know that she had to wear something underneath it.
Can you do this every year? I really liked this format. Highly entertaining and I added a couple new films and shows to my watch list.
Ditto! I'd seen some but it definitely added more! Lol
Same. I usually find lesser known movies through recommendations made by my favorite youtubers.
I loved the format as well! it's like an overview of historical productions, and good comments! (personally curious about Cruella review from 2021)
I found this after viewing her 2021 ranking videos and definitely took some screenshots of the TV/film lists in her description boxes, and also of suggestions people made in the comments abt examples she didn’t cover.
I’m a sucker for period pieces like, I assume, a majority of ppl viewing these ranking vids… I’m happy they were so popular and got a ton of views! 👍🏻
So I def. appreciate Bernadette’s rankings for their own merits, but also bc they’re helpful referrals I’m DESPERATELY in need of at this pt. in time like, I also assume, many others are (haha); which helped me add some shows/films to my bare bones watch lists 😁; they even helped me give some recs for my husband & family members whom are fantasy fans!
Thanks Bernadette!
Alternative title: 30 minutes of Bernadette Banner trying not to scream at hair and makeup.
Yes
I'd honestly be super interested in seeing Bernadette talk about historical fashion in animated movies... Particularly Anastasia and Atlantis. I have a really sore spot for Atlantis and Helga because how are you gonna take one of the coolest eras of fashion and make it so HORRIBLY inaccurate like
But the Anastasia musical did good historical costumes
YES!! Using history to inform a character design can be SO insightful, but artists are just as susceptible to inaccuracies as costumers are--perhaps more so since cartoons often resort to an "anything goes" mentality because you can just draw whatever you want. Oh, and of course, cartoons are often dismissed as irrelevant kiddie fare, so no one cares. :C
It would be nice to hear someone talk about the disappointment of Elsa's prom dresses outside of my art friend group.
Anastasia’s a mess, but it’s not trying to be period accurate so I always gave it a pass despite being a huge nerd for the fashions of the early 20th century and also the Russian Revolution and the early Soviet period. I didn’t hate Don Bluth’s interpretation of the Russian court dress, though, even if i didn’t get the transparent sleeves. The only thing I actively hated was the film’s interpretation of the 1920s. It fell into the same Princess and the Frog trap of having an hourglass figure despite the fact that the 20s was all about women having this boyish, ruler-straight figure.
@@coffeefrog HOLY SHIT YES I HATE ALL THE DRESSES IN FROZEN UGH
I mean Anna has some decent looks but Elsa being perpetually draped in spandex is annoying as hell
she is literally how my mom expected me to speak-eloquent, educational, knowledgeable, and not just mumbling and mash words togethers to make new word
One can do both. In fact it's better to know how to use and understand both. It helps not to perpetuate the stereotype of making people with formal education automatically into educated morons, and may relieve some of the social pressure on certain demographics *not* to go to college.
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His Lordship has returned! I appreciate your comments towards the end that historical accuracy actually does matter to make us see how similar we truly are to people living 100+ years ago.
One of my sister’s closest friends from college was actually an assistant hairstylist on The Great. From what she told my sister (they watched the show together) having Catherine’s hair down in the first episode was to show not only innocence and youth (it can be hard to tell she’s supposed to be six years younger than Peter) but also that she wasn’t in touch with fashion or court and had sort of just lived in the country and was a little flower childish. Not saying that was accurate for the time (I know it wasn’t) but I think it’s worth noting that there was more behind it.
I’m so glad to hear this confirmed! I assumed that was the case just watching as a viewer. And I really enjoyed the series, and thought the costuming was pretty good for the most part. Or they were good enough that I could look past brief modern aspects.
From a historical standpoint, Catherine often kept her hair down when she wasn’t attending super formal or important social events. She was by no means a follower of the status quo for her time, and like you said she truly didn’t keep in touch with what was proper or fashionable, simply because she didn’t have time for that. She ran a country, and she put more effort into being a good queen than being up to date on the latest fashions or propriety rules for women.
i thought the great was pretty good, because it did feel like the inaccuracies were a design choice. in a way, the series is a fantasy. it's not meant to be historically accurate at all, from the events to the language to the trained butterflies (lol). i thought they did a really good job at preserving the fantasy of the story being set in the 18th century while also underlining the absurdity of the series with historically inaccurate choices.
Tell your sisters friend I love the great and I cannot wait for season 2 pls
May I just say, I love how calm your "full of rage" state is.
Since Micarah ripped the little women’s historical dress re-creations apart. I have become interested in this sort of thing
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Same here💕
Same
Except she’s not actually wearing UGGs in the film itself it’s just a behind the scenes photograph!! If you watch the film she’s wearing the same brown leather shoes she does for pretty much the duration
Same, I watched Micarah’s rant too
Me: *usually skips through sponsor spiels.*
Bernadette: *holds Cesario through entire sponsor discussion*
Me: *mesmerized* "You clever, clever fiend."
She knows how to hold our attention
@@totallycrazystudios1801 , yup, the snoozy, cuddly, piggy goodness!!
I'm fangirling over her hair and wool blanket.
Cesario is beautiful and so floofy.
They definitely should have brought in a Chinese designer for Mulan. As one who has researched Song Dynasty clothing, finding resources in English is incredibly hard. The best resources are all in Chinese and haven't been translated.
@samantha ssmith a) majority of pictures that are detailed enough to study only depicted expensive noble clothes because notable or famous people were usually the only people artists bothered to draw and b) good design goes so much beyond looking at century-old drawings - you need to understand the fabrics, the available dyes, the cultural context and practicalities that created these trends, and above all, an in-depth understanding of what truly characterized the era and set it apart from other periods to faithfully create an accurate recreation and to design creatively while protecting the integrity of accuracy
for instance, mulan's make-up scene is awful. watch xiran jay zhao's video for more details, but while they used (mostly) accurate substances, they applied them in an inaccurate and offensive way for a cheap joke making fun of ancient chinese makeup practices. and even when they did have pictures, they didn't use them lmao. mulan's residence is 土楼, ring buildings with an open-air space inside, which is characteristically southern when mulan is a northern story.
@samantha ssmith historical faithfulness is important for a historically placed movie. the fact that it's a Disney move means that it's a major presentation of Chinese culture to a western audience, which means that a HEAVIER emphasis should be placed on accuracy. also, misrepresenting fashion and adopting a different era in an ancient chinese media would be like using bowler hats, viking helmets, and roman tunics to represent tudor era england. the idea that chinese fashion is the same from era to era is an ignorant approach and diminishes the distinct nature of each period. but at the end of the day, it's just a fun historically inspired movie, so it shouldn't matter, right? no. why do you think people were so upset at other historical shows having awful clothes? because it misrepresents the setting of the story. even then I wouldn't care if Disney didn't misrepresent their movie as some sort of extremely accurate beacon of Chinese culture, which they used to make a number of changes and film near ughyur camps and in their marketing. it's tacky. and all of my statements are in regards to ALL historically set movies produced by someone about a culture they don't belong to, particularly ones that are grounded specifically in a certain time period.
Just before this video dropped I was having a discussion with my mum about fabrics used in historical dress and why they weren't all the stiff, tight, scratchy nightmares that people think they were, and then you appeared in my notifications and it was like I'd just called for backup!
This would be a super interesting video.
@@muse3223 Sadly I don't have any actual references, but as I understand it linens were very different when they were at the height of their popularity, as was wool cloth, which we have less of a demand for now because of blasted polyester ... But this is just taken from snippets of books and articles so I don't know exactly how true it all is!
It seems like a lot of costume dramas prioritize having actresses looking attractive to contemporary audiences over historical accuracy (e.g. having visible makeup when not historically appropriate or having hair worn down).
This is really what Bernadette's work is about - broadening the modern viewer's aesthetic knowledge. (Her summation at the end of this video is brilliant *chefs kiss*)
Yeah, it's really obvious when you're watching an older historical movie where the makeup seems much more out of place.
Yes I agree, but I feel like Bernadette coming from a costuming background should point out that directors aren’t going to stand their female leads not “looking attractive” in a historical romance. 🙃 Like the one with the practically winged eyeliner I understand but Belgravia’s hair and makeup didn’t take me out of it at all.
I completely agree. In fact, I’ve named this phenomenon/trope “No Bad 80s’ Hair”.
About Ammonite, I read an interview with Francis Lee (the director) where he said that when he arrived on location at the house they filmed in he immediately noticed that the door handles were inaccurate for the era and he tried to get them changed but they couldn’t delay filming on such a tight budget - I guess it’s a shame that they technically don’t get a 100% score for accuracy because of them, but I just love that he cared so much, and did so much research that his white whale was DOOR HANDLES
omg i LOVE that
As an ethical Chinese (I'm Taiwanese), I'll put Mulan in "they...not even tried" (with costumes from Turandot), but I do appreciate your effort and your opinion;)
Because they put Mulan herself with the wrong race in wrong country and fight the wrong enemy, she supposed to be dressed like a Mongolian soldier, or Mongolian women.
My mandarin teacher told us a little about this; she is meant to be from the Northern Wei, right? Fighting against one of the nomadic khanates in what is now Mongolia?
@@seaztheday4418 Yeeees, you are correct!
Also the whole thing where long loose hair was supposed to signify that she was a woman?? I'm not an expert in China but I know enough about Asian history to know that most adults would have had long hair--and watched enough Chinese dramas to know it's actually a drama trope for men to have their hair loose and women to have it up.
@@lnorlnor I think both men and women should have their hair up, adult men also have to wear hats, or cover their buns with fabric.
If it’s around 500BC, women will also wear a low ponytail.
If it’s Ching dynasty, men should do a braid, and shave their front hair, because of the segregation.
Children who’s hair is not long enough can make a half bun.
The loose hair is really a Japanese thing, became very popular in Heian dynasty.
So if you see people have loose hair in the Asian painting, you can first make a guess it’s not Chinese or Korean.
Off topic, but “ethical Chinese” is either the awesomest typo or sickest burn I’ve ever seen!
As a Chinese person I can say Mulan was a hot mess in terms of historical accuracy (especially the makeup), they didn’t even hire a Chinese designer lmao. But I doubt it will be better if they did cause I also haven’t seen a remotely historically accurate Chinese period drama in a long time :o I wish information on Chinese historical dress would be easier to find so costumers can actually recreate periods instead of relying on stereotypical silhouettes which are so boring
its not about that. most chinese period drama knows the silhouette and made the costume better or flashier and its 1000x more accurate than mulan 2020.
the mulan 2020 movie did the panda express version....its so bad and disrespectful that they should have just made it accurate...instead of "trying to make it better but ended up looking like panda express and just enforcing chinese prejudice like manchu qing fashion"
@@angelabby2379 Not sure where the Qing fashion bit is going cause Qing fashion (both Manchu and Han) is also really badly represented in the media... like we see a lot of it but almost none of it is actually accurate. Growing up I watched Qing Dynasty dramas set in the 17th or 18th centuries where the actresses are wearing headpieces from the late 19th century
Edit: after doing some deep dives into Chinese drama and film costuming I completely disagree with this comment, most Chinese costume designers don’t know what they’re doing and it’s unfortunate.
if you don't mind sharing, could you recommend some of the more historically accurate Chinese period dramas that you know of?
@@katarinatomac4376 I heard that Serenade of Peaceful Joy (set in the Song Dynasty) and Longest Day in Chang’an (Tang Dynasty) are pretty ok costume-wise, but I’ve only watched the latter. I wish I could share more but there really aren’t so many accurate dramas :(
@@audreyzhang5394 thank you:)
I'd love to have this become an annual thing - a wrap-up of all period drama-ish movies and series released throughout the year 🙈✨
I am also, once again, extremely jealous of your red blouse and I hope we'll see the promised project of making a set of aesthetic blouses at some point in the new year 😊
Yes, please.
Yes blouses please!!!!
I think with Catherine the great specifically the hair down was a choice. She has her hair down initially to show her innocence and youth. After she realizes that Peter is not what she hoped for her hair goes up.
His lordship´s portraits behind Bernadette were the most epic thing in the video.
I believe both portraits were made by Bernadette's sibling! :)
Re the 1890 sleeves: Just got an Anne of Green Gables (the book) flashback: "If sleeves get any bigger, a girl will have to go through a door sideways." I'm sure that was exactly during the sleeve size shifts.
Me too!!
The books are supposed to be set in the early 1870s, but they were published in the early 1900s. I imagine that, by then, L.M. Montgomery had forgotten exactly when it was that sleeves got so huge lol
@@princezzpuffypants6287 thank you for saying this! Anne was in her 50s in Rilla of Ingleside, which was set during WW1, meaning all these TV adaptations that set Anne of Green Gables in the 1890s are just straight up anachronistic. I personally love 1870s fashion and prefer it to 1890s so I feel like they're really missing out by choosing to set it at the wrong time - although it bothers me to think that it's actually just that the people making the adaptations haven't read the entire series so simply don't know.
@@abigar-k I agree. I loved Megan Follows as Anne (and the entire cast of that series), but the timeline is so confusing (and, of course "The Continuing Story" was just nuts...). There is a BBC production of the first 3 books (?) from the 70s, but Green Gables has been lost. Avonlea is pretty impressive, imo. I sincerely cannot recall whether or not they altered the timeline in that one at all
I just got this sudden feeling I’d like to hear Bernadette’s thoughts on Black Butler even though it’s an animated fantasy retelling of the Victorian era, I just want to know if she’d like the thought put into the clothes and especially Ciel’s outfits
Actually that sounds like a great idea
same with shows like Over The Garden Wall-- it's animated and fantasy-based, but I think she might appreciate details like different door handles and building structures for the different time periods portrayed
I'd love to see the reaction to the outfits in the manga - the Victorian-era boy-band arc is both ridiculous and delightful. XD
@@chillinginthenameofthat one made me laugh so much💀
@@chillinginthenameof Even from just the perspective of a reader with no real historical knowledge, it was SO blasphemous that I had to phone a friend immediately 😂
Now I need to see you tear into the Second Enola Holmes…since that PINPOINTS the timeline
Thank you! Even as late as the 1950's and 1960's, when I was a little girl, people had their "Sunday" clothes (meaning their nicest) and their day-to-day clothes and children definitely had their play clothes versus their school clothes. This was done to reduce wear and extend the life. There's a REASON old houses did not have closets in the bedrooms. At most they might have a piece of furniture called a "wardrobe." Most people did not have that many outfits. And a new dress really WAS a big deal. As Bernadette said, under things were changed each day, but nothing else was.
Going back to the 19th century, the average woman had two or three dresses. The nicest she wore to church; the others she wore day-to-day. The average man might have one set of overalls, one pair of dress pants and maybe one pair of jeans. (If it seems funny that overalls were common, remember this was a time when farming was the most common types of work.)
Also? I remember only taking a bath Saturday nights. Once a week. And it was Saturday night so you'd be the cleanest for church on Sunday.
I grew up EXACTLY the same and I am 32 (I am from Romania)
My dad (who’s in his fifties) grew up in a small rural village and that’s how it was for him
This is an old comment, but would even farmers bathe only once a week?? What about all the daily sweat and dirt?
@@iridescentdemon they would wash their hands, feet and face daily
@@iridescentdemon People took "wash-stand baths." Face, hands, armpits, crotch, feet, all cleaned with a washcloth.
In Bridgertons the MC woman (Daphne) did not wear chemises beneath her corsets and so many of us are horrified by the marks shown (highlighted) on her skin. Gah!
Right? Was it supposed to show her being secretly masochistic?
I was just screaming about the tight lacing the mother was trying to force on her daughters... not only was that not really a thing until MUCH later in history, but also with the beauty standard of the Regency period being for a more plump woman as a show of wealth, why would a mother intentionally try to make her daughter look poor by lacing her in tightly?
In the book Daphne was scratched and bruised from falling into a thorny bush when trying to break up a fight between her brother and Simon. I believe that scene was shown to reference that fight and her indiscretion and a nod to those who read the book.
@@monekaswan4010 that is a nice thought but the scene was not in the episode and the marks were from tight corseting touching her skin. They were not abrasions.
Weren’t the Ugg’s in little women a picture from behind the scenes when they were taking a break? Lol
People keep pointing that out about the Ugg boot image.
Aside from that, the older girls/women wore their hair down, did not wear bonnets or hair coverings, and likely did not wear proper underclothing. In short: they had too modern a look to them.
@Isabella Kohler They did. The costumes weren't very accurate at all.
@Isabella Kohler That still doesn’t invalidate that their hairs were down, something that won’t happen back in the days
@Isabella Kohler um... did you watch the video? Criticising was the whole point.
@Isabella Kohler But underclothes played a large part in the structure of the dress back then, so if someone was to wear the wrong underclothes, you'd be able to tell as the dress would not be the right shape.
The hair and make up seems to be a constant problem of period dramas. You can pick any 80s period drama, and the hair and make up will scream 80s.
60s period dramas and such have this problem too. Hair and makeup is always distinctly from that era.
@@AemiliaJacobus YES! I came here to say how comically accurate this comment is for period pieces of the 1960s 😂
@@carag2567 yeah, exactly. Even Elizabeth Taylor in the taming of shrew from 1967, was obviously wearing her distinctive makeup, which looks frankly out of place for the time period, the movie was supposedly set in renaissance Italy.
@@carag2567 same haha! I watched Funny Girl once and never again first because it was a downer, lol, but also because the costuming was SO confusing and, at one point **garishly** 60s 😆
I do remember a director of a '60s film about WW2 arguing that the characters couldn't have pukka 1940s hairstyles, as the viewers would find their appearance so odd it would distract them from following the plot. My response to that is unprintable!
Besides enjoying the deserved roasting if blasphemous hair and makeup, I really appreciate how you seperate the costumes from the show in how much you liked the show or not. All around fun, and looking forward to this next year of costume reviews
"the floof of your choice"
"now he's fallen asleep... and I can't get up"
"I'm trapped!"
Only Bernadette can make me laugh so much when talking about a sponsor XD
The Numpty Pig pillow made me LoL also. * chefs kiss *
it was quite simply the best Sponsor Shout-out I have ever experienced
i literally rewatched emma like 3 times because i couldnt pull my eyes off of the costumes
Unable to distinguish one white man from another white man is possibly the most relatable thing. Ever.
I'm a white bearded man and I agree completely.
Half of the male Avengers. All named Chris.
would be really helpful if Chinese and Korean would do that in their movies, they look all the same
Agreed, my first watch of Game of Thrones I thought they were all one guy, which made it significantly more difficult to follow.
Dead Poets Society was my first experience with that, and indeed: it is a struggle
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Little Women: *u g g s*
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Oh good, someone else spotted this too 🤣🤣🤣 subtle shade is satisfying shade!
I forgot that Little Women came out this year. It seems so long ago.
@@elliel4736 because, in 2020, with aaaalll of the available research, they put the leads in friggin u g g s. UGGS! And they didn't even try with, like, anything.
@@annamermaid6359 Not to be ~that person~ but they did try with literally everything else. Yes, the costuming is wild, but the movie is incredible and definitely worth a watch. It sucks because I agree with the costuming critique but it was one of my favorite movies I've seen in a long time and the only coverage it gets on YT is my favorite fashion historical/design channels hating on it :(
The thing with historical films and shows is that people who aren’t necessarily interested or knowledgeable with historical dress and don’t actively see museums etc usually look at the films think “Wow! That must be what everyone worn!” which is incorrect for many reasons. If something is inaccurate, people are likely to just think that’s what everyone worn and then we get a bunch of misconceptions about clothing etc. That’s why I think it’s good to have a degree of accuracy so people who aren’t actively researching dress can get a better understanding of the clothing rather than what people see as _victorian big poofy crinoline skirts and tiny ringlets forever!_
It's the same when it comes to fighting scenes in movies and shows, or even at fairs. Historically you would probably have never done a full spin whilst swinging your weapon because you leave your back unguarded. And they never ever keep their shields up...
I can tell you as a former prop person for a (mostly) classical/shakespeare theatre company, we would get letters from people who thought they knew better because of "that richard the third with al pacino" that they saw once.
@@magpiedc you should come to a medieval fair. If I got 5 bucks for everytime people asked me whether "that fire is real" burning with a 1 m roasting spit underneath it whilst we cooked our food...
@@agustinamustaine 🐝 You have stumbled into the wrong video community. Courtesy is the standard here.
@@skullslace2426 - Yeah. I find it less important in films and show as of course there must be some artistic liberty when it comes to fighting to make the scene interesting to the audience but it’s very very nice to have at least three things that are historically accurate. Like a certain fighting technique that was iconic and a certain way they protected them self etc. But of course, there has to be a slight degree of inaccuracy if it makes the film more appealing. It’s the small details which are the best!
I really love that in the 2021 version of this you brought in other experts in different cultural periods to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge. I hope you keep doing that in future versions of this. :)
Imagine a movie about 2020 the costumes will be 100% black leggings and comfy sweaters or black leggings and tank tops and so on 😂
It will be lots of people in pajamas. 😄
lots and lots of homemade tie dye
I said the same thing to my husband earlier when he asked why I like looking at historical accuracy in costumes. I said to imagine someone making a movie set in the 2020 pandemic. Everyone would be in elasticised waists. 😬 In reality, people vary a lot in age, social position, personal preferences, body shape, how much they follow fashion and they always have.
Dont forgot the sweatpants
Sorry to break it to you but this is the second wave of "Athleisure Wear." It all started with a little movie back in the 80s called "Flashdance." 😊
I absolutely LOVED the clothes in The Queens Gambit, I have no idea about the accuracy but they made me feel things.
I read an interview with Anya Taylor-Joy in which she said that a large number of the clothes she wore were actually vintage, and that she got to keep them all (although they're part of a touring exhibition at the moment). That certainly explains why they look so damn good.
@@missvioletnightchild2515 Wow, that's so cool!!
I'm not an expert, but I really enjoyed how even as someone who isn't SUPER well versed in vintage clothes, I could pretty much pinpoint the exact year we were in based on what she was wearing. That shows you how much thought was put into that aspect of it! Plus it was fun to explain to my partner who is pretty much fashion illiterate what a poodle skirt or a mod dress are haha
The clothes were fantastic, I am a little younger than Beth but the clothes were so correct even/especially the under garments.
@@missvioletnightchild2515 www.thequeenandthecrown.com/?fbclid=IwAR2kSeYfL9mh5E0pZPQFLy-voInUBkc27zdJehOlGj0isAobDTPV68qpXm4
Interestingly enough, after watching the newest version of Little Women and paying extra close attention, the Uggs don't actually ever appear on screen. They are wearing the shoes meant to be worn with their costume which leads me to believe that this photo of the dreaded Uggs that keeps making the rounds could possibly be from a rehearsal of that particular scene and the Uggs were simply worn in between takes🤷♀️
According to Wikipedia, production on Little Women began in Boston in October. 🥶🥶🥶 Uggs were probably chosen to be warm and easily removable for the real costume shoes. Makes sense to wear between takes.
That does not make the actual costumes any better
@@kendraklopfenstein5350 But it does mean that the Uggs shouldn't be a factor in judging those costumes.
If Uggs weren't worn in the movie, then they shouldn't have used that picture for sure.
The costumes are terrible and not historically accurate in the slightest and that’s not even to mention the hair or make up. But besides that they were ugly the mismatching colors where horrible and the random layering was terrible
I RAGED when I saw stilettos being worn in Bridgerton. In the beginning of the show, it literally said it was the year 1812. 😤
Oh my! 🤣
@samantha ssmith - and yet, that's a plausible reading of history. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz The show is definitely intentionally set in an AU but that part at least has some attestation where it may be possible.
23:45 I think it might, in part, be the fault of the actors or producers; like, they might say "that's unflattering" and ask for things that fall closer to the modern standard of beauty. Kind of like how Emma Watson doesn't want to wear a corset because of her preconceived notions of the item.
i was literally thinking that, couldn't have put it better myself
I can't finish this video without mentioning that the glimpses of Cesario are always welcome, but this one of him posing as a sleepy kitten is beyond adorable and explores vast realms of human-to-guinea pig relationships that I had not idea existed. That is the happiest rodent I've ever seen since the 1991 passing of my dear rat, Marshmallow, who also very much enjoyed being a lap lump for watching period drama with.
One reason I think historically accurate dress is important is that we often have this mistaken idea that contemporary Western tastes (and values, and ways of living etc.) are universal and sort of neutral - "Oh, of course men like women who look like this, it's natural!" So it's nice to see a show where we can properly contextualize our own current tastes as being specific to a time and place.
I remember reading the enola homes books in 6th grade and I always assumed that it was very accurate clothing-wise because her clothing was such a big part of her investigating and detective work she'd use it to disguise herself or to hide things because of the multiple layers. The book starts off with her mother making off of the family fortune by hiding it in the padding of her dress
I call this scale: "from 'this looks like time travel' to 'It looks like a headless chicken designed this with the inspiration of one of those t-shirts with bow ties on them'" p.s. if you haven't read the seeds of America trilogy, it's super great, though somewhat unrelated ♥
Many years ago my grandmother was asked by a film company to draw all the dresses she remembered from her childhood (1920s) - both hers and her mother’s. When the film was released she was disappointed to see her mother’s best Sunday dress being worn by the cook with an apron over the top. 😂
"We don't understand that these people were more like us then we think they were", now THAT'S a quote!
For anyone interested in historically accurate Chinese dress, or Hanfu, here are a few series that pay close attention to costuming. In chronological order, Warring States/Qin Dynasty ("Qin Dynasty Epic" and "Legend of Haolan"), Han Dynasty/Three Kingdoms ("Red Cliff" and "Secret of the Three Kingdoms"), Tang Dynasty ("Longest Day in Chang'An" and "Rise of Phoenixes"), Song Dynasty/Northern and Southern ("Story of Minglan" and "Serenade of Peaceful Joy"), Yuan (??), Ming Dynasty ("Imperial Doctress"), and Qing Dynasty ("Yanxi Palace.") If someone can suggest good examples for Yuan and Ming Dynasty costuming please let me know. I haven't watched enough dramas set in those eras
i wanted to watch some chinese series but the costumes often take me out of the story, so thank you for this
@@lunasylnodel happy to share! Longest Day in Chang’An would be a great place to start. The first few eps are subbed and on UA-cam. It’s a beautiful production and set in the most famous Chinese dynasty
Are a lot of these historically accurate? I watch enough Chinese dramas to note that some of these costumes are crazy inaccurate. For one, the repetitive wardrobes regardless of the time period. Yanxi Palace had a scene where a saxophone was played (emperor had a western orchestra presented to him) which should not have been available in that era so I immediately started questioning the costumes. I also have my doubts about Rise of the Phoenixes from the vibrant colors to questionable polyester looking fabrics. They look absolutely beautiful, but accurate? I have my doubts. Very strong doubts. I tend to write off almost all dramas if the color palette has a vibrant fuchsia, royal blue, mauve or bold purple as a dominant color or really just on any clothing. Quite frankly, I often write of extremely bright colors in general. A lot of different color dyes certainly existed but some of these colors are not happening in some of these time periods.
@@rimun5235 Bright colors have existed in dyes for a long time. Just search up Germanic “barbarian” civilizations historical costume like the Gauls lol. Movies have perpetuated this idea that we were wearing dirt colored hemp rags in ancient times. Some colors were certainly rarer and more difficult to produce in certain regions of the world, mainly deep purples and blues, hence their association with royalty (but this is also a Western cultural relevancy). But colors like purple, yellow, ruby, and more have all been referenced in Ancient Tang poetry. You’ll see them in art as well
@@rimun5235 also Yanxi is based on the Qianlong emperor’s reign which lasted almost 100 years, ending in 1799, at which time there were a sizable population of Jesuit missionaries and a growing community of Europeans. I never finished that drama so I can’t speak to that particular scene, so if there was a saxophone that’d be about 50 years too early. Qianlong was quite interested in Western countries so built a series of hybrid East West style palaces and collected paintings, instruments, etc brought by European diplomats. However they were mostly looted and burnt by invading soldiers following the Opium War and some pieces are still circulating in public auctions today....ah yes, sweet colonialism...As for the polyester? Silk was a commonly used fiber and if they did end up using polyester to imitate its look I imagine it’s probably for budgetary purposes
“I’m gonna put this in chef’s kiss”
*a literal half second later*
“it was pretty good”
The "not being able to distinguish one white man from another white man" is a huge issue I have in so many Netflix series ngl 😬 glad it's not just me!
Replace “white” with another word and say it out loud. Yes, you sound like one of those people.
@@nnjandy Eh, I agree and disagree at the same time. I have a difficult time telling people apart in general. I personally can't really differentiate between differ white people with similar color hair and sometimes eye color, but I also have difficulty with other races. African American woman with particular hair will honestly look the same to me as others with the same hair style, especially I don't know them very well. I need to talk to people and seriously study their faces to really be able to pick them out of a crowd regardless of hair color or style, but I think that's true for everyone because human brains are pretty lazy. Categorizing people is normal and a common brain shortcut.
I'm technically Asian, but I have been mistaken for both Polynesian and Hispanic. And yes, I have difficulty telling Asians apart. Also, I find it funny when people misplace my ethnicity, not offended, so chill. Everyone is one of those people, but I mean, Avenue Q, man.🤷🏾♀️
Omg yes my mum and i had such trouble with the crown because they were all old balding white men.
nnjandy I bet ur someone who wants straight pride.
@Joyous Kekistani -- right there with ya, except I am Hispanic and have been mistaken for Asian and Native (really super-pale olive-toned skin in the winter). And while I have a better memory for faces, I still struggle sometimes with telling ppl apart, especially if it's from an ethnicity I haven't much interacted with. Ex. although I have less trouble telling Middle-Eastern, African, Mexican, the generalized mixed-European-caucasian "white" folk look and for some reason Scandinavianesque featured-people apart, I have more trouble with Japanese and Chinese, and lighter-skinned Korean and Spanish people when in groups of unknowns, particularly when mixed with strong European ancestory.
I'm a male writing a science fiction novel about a young 21st century woman who is magically transported back to 1861. Being a serious history buff, I've tried being as historically accurate as possible within the context of the story.
After watching a couple of your and Karolina's videos, I had to completely rewrite the section where she gets her first corset because she (and I) had totally bought the modern view of corsets and Civil War era clothing.
It's actually been kind of fun having my expectations subverted by reality. 😁
Little Women is a toss-up for me, because though most aspects of the costumes were pretty contrived, the costume designers DID put in a lot of thought -- just in different areas. Like how there are several articles of clothing that Jo and Laurie share back and forth throughout the film, and how hairspray was banned from the set and the girls often actually did each other's hair, giving it a genuine -- if not historically authentic -- feel, in my opinion.
I read once an analysis of the colours each of the girls wear and their meanings, it seemed really interesting (ex. it said Beth mostly wears lavender, a colour that in many countries was associated with death and mourning). So yeah, I'd say the costume designer probably chose to forego certain things in favour of others
That's why I don't think being historically accurate is a measure for being a good costume or not. I obviously enjoy watching videos reviewing and discussing the fashion of the era and how they relate to costuming, but I think in movies/Tv costumes are much more a representation of subtext than something to place the subject in a time frame.
Their clothes were impractical. They had like 50 dresses that they’re wore in the film and each of them had a dress each day which back then poor families would wear their clothes to death because dresses were very expensive
Also everyone uses the Ugg’s as an argument against the accuracy but they aren’t even seen in the movie it’s self, I’m pretty sure it was just a behind the scenes photo of what the actress was wearing because it was cold but it wasn’t actually in the movie. It’s just frustrating
@@natashabe0715 right! I never saw them in the movie. If people find THAT scandalous, I could show them behind-the-scenes pictures of Arwen in Lord of the Rings wearing full elven costume on her top half (for the scene) and blue jeans on her bottom half LOLOL
Ok I have to say this: other than just thinking they were “pretty” I’m just glad that the movie version of Enola Holmes’s story doesn’t have her complaining about corsets and how restricting they are and all that every five minutes like she does in the book; that is the /one/ bit of “accuracy” I’ll give it in relation to the costumes: Enola doesn’t vehemently hate corsets as being a “restriction on women” or some such tosh
to my recollection, she actually does. granted, she doesn't rail on it every five minutes, but when she's changing into her red dress she says something along the lines of "corsets: a symbol of restriction and opression for all women"
It could seem that way to a very slim woman or girl, but perspective changes drastically with a growing bust
i agree, i'm a size d and i rarely find my bra restrictive. i'm much more comfortable with it on.
I feel like that is such a weird thing to say, like you wouldn’t have a modern movie where someone’s getting dressed and they suddenly declare, “bras, what a symbol of oppression against women!”
@@hellothere-bo7bn Women almost already say that now.
His Lordship: Makes happy sounds
Me: Drowns in serotonin
I think it’s really good how Bernadette handles areas she has less knowledge. She acknowledges her lack of expertise, but still does her best to represent it as well as she can and looks to others with more knowledge and cultural understanding. So much respect!
"The women in this show are used as props and arm fodder anyway"
Call👏them👏out!!👏👏
Love that in the diagram "Little Women" doesn't even get a promo picture like most of the others, it just gets a shot of an Ugg boot :'D
My wee heart still dreams of a Bernadette/Micarah collab, the chaos would be magnificent
On one hand I would love this, on the other hand can you imagine the chaos of Bernadette "I hand-sew everything for historical accuracy" Banner teaming up with Micharah "I hot glue pieces of fabric to my body" Tewers
@@jhardman1876 Exactlyyyyy, it would be incredible
@@jhardman1876 that's exactly why it would be magnificent - the chaos.
The woman in the Bridgertons who was out of period dress was supposed to be Queen Charlotte who used to wear 18c and liked the formality .. however, she wasn't even alive when the books are set 1840s.
The books are set in the Regency around the time of 1815 and upwards. I know the 4th, 5th, and 6th books are set in 1824. When the series starts, Queen Charlotte is alive and George 3 still alive. George 4 is the regent the period is named after. 1840 is Victorian, not Regency.
I like the blasphemous hair and makeup category. I had to stop watching Anne with an e when there was an extreme closeup on Marilla Cuthbert's clumpy mascara.
I didn't notice that, but I also watch on a laptop not a large TV.
I have to say as someone who loved the books and the original movie, and the Avonlea TV show, I was more bothered by the change in character in Anne and the fact that Matthew doesn't die than by anything else.
But I also don't appreciate to the same level as pretty much everyone else on Bernadette's channel the accurate clothing or hair and makeup. I know next to nothing about actual periods of fashion, I definitely can't tell fabric choices easily on a screen, and I don't care two figs about hair styles. I can usually tell if they have gone overboard in the makeup department though.
I definitely appreciate that someone cares about these things, I'm just not sure if it matters to the entertainment value for the average person like me.
@@super_siri "I have to say as someone who loved the books and the original movie, and the Avonlea TV show, I was more bothered by the change in character in Anne and the fact that Matthew doesn't die than by anything else." omg I'm so happy it's not just me! Everybody seems to be in love with the show, but as someone who recently read the books (and grew up with the anime as a kid, which is actually way more accurate) the way they changed the story really bothered me, and I just couldn't continue past a point. That's just not my Anne. And if you say Matthew doesn't even die..that's one of the fundamental cardins of the story, i really can't imagine it otherwise!
@@Ninnisha exactly!!! I did really enjoy season three though. It was closer to the books except for the fact Matthew is still alive.
@@super_siri i agree with you 100% I can understand a different look at Anne and how in reality she would have some trauma, but they totally Michael Landoned it (If you never watched Little House on the Prairie, it was mostly a vehicle for Michael Landon (he played Pa Ingles), and was complete BS in relation to the books. On the Matthew dying issue, L.M. Montgomery regretted having him die so soon, so it was sorta rectified. The thing they really missed out on was the hints that Matthew was probably gay.
@@YTistooannoying never knew that L. M. Montgomery regretted having him die so soon.
And gay makes so much sense, but I didn't realize that as a child, and I haven't read the books in years, although they are definitely in my list for next year (possibly this year if I read my next three books quickly).
I'm a Makeup artist, and while I can only speak for myself, historical hairstyles are a big focus in my training. But sadly more in the way of "here is a historical portrait, try to replicate the exact Hairstyle" and less focusing on the way and methods people in that period used to make these typical silouettes and hairstyles. I feel like there is a big devide between replicating something with modern techniques and understanding how something happened in the first place, so when you have to do a lot of different and interesting hairstyles you fall back on the typical "oh I've seen that before somewhere" 🤷♀️
I would sell my soul to see you evaluate the "Anne with an e" fashion accuracy
She said she won’t. The costumes are fine, not fabulous, but good. 🤷🏼♀️
Ugh yes!! I watched "Emma." twice in two days because it was a tasteful, beautifully done adaptation. 🤍
the costuming. was beautiful, but they messed with the actual story line in a way I could not appreciate, I much preferred the Gwyneth Paltrow version.
@@laniwiens6574 Ah I understand. Reminds me how most people prefer the Pride and Predjudice series to the movie as it's more true to the book but I still love the art of the movie. Each to their own!
"I have made up a chart. I have tons of notes."
Bernadette, dear, if you don't want people to notice you're an immortal, you might not want to give us such big clues.
"it was a Design Choice(TM)" feels right for Bridgerton because, as a fan of the book series who knows nothing about the TV show, I knew exactly who that character was and why the designer decided to dress her that way, even though the book character would probably have worn something more period-appropriate.
Yes! And I think it goes well with the lighthearted tone of the books, like you kinda not supposed to take it seriously
That still looked like it was Gossip Girl, but "historical".
While somewhat accurate, I’m perturbed by her comment. Like, don’t make trash comments that will effect or sway other potential viewers when A) Shes never read the novels, B) it’s not even out yet.
Me in my 20's sitting in a big t-shirt I thrifted in middle school: Yeeeah, who would someone wear something that's 5 years of?!?!
I just pulled a shirt I got at a motorcycle race in 2002 out of my clothing storage box to wear again lol
Lmaooo me, a 21-year-old woman, with half my closet full of clothes I got as hand-me-downs from friends, mom, siblings, etc in middle school. And the other half thrifted since :,) my favorite shirt is a blue button-down I shared with my dad when I was like 16 that I took from his closet when he passed at the beginning of this year.
How about a 35 year old plaid flannel shirt? I wouldn’t give it up. Most of my clothes are years old. I love the feel of worn garments.
I guess it’s a bigger club than I thought 🤣 I have a coat purchased at age 19, now I’m 45 and have finally decided to let it go. Black is not a good colour on me 🤦♀️
I still have tshirts I got from HS.. (I am not 52).. I wore a very basic stretch knit skirt with elastic waistband (they were from a line called MULTIPLES and were very swap out but very comfortable very 1980s but very simple).. I wore one of the skirts from there for like 20 years!