Tudor Historian Reacts to The Spanish Princess

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  • @allshookup1640
    @allshookup1640 11 місяців тому +104

    I had NO hopes for historical accuracies when it comes to Phillipa Gregory. I was just glad they gave Catherine her reddish hair. Everyone gives her her black hair to make her look more Spanish so props to them for that

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +10

      Indeed!

    • @jawo8754
      @jawo8754 11 місяців тому +10

      Agreed, this show does show the most "physically" accurate Catherine AND Henry. I do also think that it may have also gotten the personalities as well. Yes they altered events, Henry's age and the timeline.

    • @furgerechtigkeit6207
      @furgerechtigkeit6207 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@jawo8754 Yes, and in the show Catherine consumates the marriage with Arthur and Henry learns of that years after his and Catherine's wedding and that is what breaks them apart (she lied about not having consumated the marriage and being a virgin to be able to marry Prince Henry in order to become queen of England). While in real life Catherine probably never consumated her marriage to Henry's brother and was in fact a virgin when she married Henry and consumated her marriage to him. And her failure to produce a surviving son and Anne Boleyn were the reason for their break up in real life. Also, it was Henry VIII's father who refused to send Catherine back to her parents in Spain because he needed her dowry and he and Henry VIII agreed that she be married to Henry VIII

    • @mariagomez-centuionerasun4630
      @mariagomez-centuionerasun4630 11 місяців тому +1

      Catherine was blonde, like her mother was, like all Trastamara line. I'm Spanish, and Im still in shock with that serie

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 4 місяці тому

      ​@@mariagomez-centuionerasun4630Well, at least red is closer to blonde than the black hair most media gives her

  • @michellecrocker2485
    @michellecrocker2485 11 місяців тому +34

    I read that Elizabeth of York was actually a decent mother in law. In the correspondence with Isabella, she encouraged her to write whenever possible which shows that she was at least interested in being on friendly terms with that family

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +7

      True! She was very good to Catherine of Aragon!

    • @lucykeegan1160
      @lucykeegan1160 11 місяців тому +13

      So was Margret Beaufort. I really didn’t like her portrayal in this series or the preceding ones. She gets terrible villain syndrome.

    • @lucykeegan1160
      @lucykeegan1160 11 місяців тому +2

      So was Margret Beaufort. I really didn’t like her portrayal in this series or the preceding ones. She gets terrible villain syndrome.

    • @michellecrocker2485
      @michellecrocker2485 11 місяців тому +1

      @@lucykeegan1160 I read somewhere that she was the mom in law from hell. Not sure if there’s truth to that, though

    • @woodvilleblood
      @woodvilleblood 11 місяців тому +6

      @@michellecrocker2485Margaret was a kind and gentle woman, but strict. Perhaps she and Elizabeth argued sometimes, but it happens to everyone. They supported each other. When there was a rebellion in Cornwall, Elizabeth and her children ran to Margaret's house. Margaret also protected Cecilia of York from the king's wrath when she married without permission. Also, Duchess Cecilia Neville had good relations with Margaret and Henry, even mentioned them in her will.

  • @LauraP1962
    @LauraP1962 11 місяців тому +39

    I really liked the way the series portrayed Margaret Tudor, and I think her storyline was actually reasonably historically accurate. If STARZ does another Tudor series she'd be a great main character: feisty, flawed, and fierce. I also liked Catalina de Motril's storyline. Tudor England was so much more diverse than most people realize, and it's nice to see that portrayed on screen.
    Mostly, though, I thought the series was a great big wasted opportunity. I was especially annoyed by the Season 2 finale. I understand the showrunner wanting to end the series on an uplifting note, but that's the problem with Catherine's story: it's fundamentally a tragedy. I also don't understand why the showrunner portrayed Catherine as being initially cold to Princess Mary because she was a girl and not the longed-for son. Catherine ADORED Mary from the moment of her birth, and was a wonderful, involved mom to her, and I wish that had been shown.

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +5

      Yes to this for sure!! Thanks Laura for being here!

    • @YourGraceMyLady
      @YourGraceMyLady 11 місяців тому +4

      I loved Margaret Tudors storyline. Had to read up on her while watching. I always google about the shows I’m watching checking to see if they’re true lol

    • @tuikkur.5655
      @tuikkur.5655 8 місяців тому +1

      Someone really should make a TV series about Margaret Tudor! What a story that would be! ❤

    • @MissyAmy88
      @MissyAmy88 2 місяці тому

      Same as she is one of my foremothers, I would love to have a show about her that is more accurate. Same goes for Mary Stuart. Keep thinking about how these queens were portraited in Tydors and Reign😬

  • @babablacksheepdog
    @babablacksheepdog 11 місяців тому +18

    On the one hand, I like that for once they are showing Katherine's fierce side, as most depictions of her make her seem like this meek, quiet, long-suffering woman with absolutely no agency (I suppose thematically it provides a contrast to the outgoing, flamboyant independence of Anne Boleyn). On the other hand, they are making her a little bit too fantasy warrior princess, and some of her actions/words are far too modern to be taken seriously. They have also opted to make her and Henry the same age, and have invented this nonsensical subplot where there is an instant attraction between them from the moment she arrives in England.

  • @gogreen7794
    @gogreen7794 7 місяців тому +8

    I couldn't take it seriously after I saw Henry as the teenage lover boy, writing love letters to Catherine, pretending to be Arthur. He was about 10 when Catherine arrived in England.
    After that, I only watched bits and pieces and I didn't think the series improved much.
    I did like the Mary Tudor/Charles Brandon romance, although that, too, was highly romanticized. At least Mary was identified as Mary (not "Margaret") and their relationship was more accurately depicted than in the "Tudors."

  • @aprilwilson5680
    @aprilwilson5680 5 місяців тому +6

    I do love that there was a true love shown. He was married to her far longer than any other wife, yet we always heard about Anne Boleyn and others. Not to mention, he had a major jousting accident that very could have changed his personality.

  • @michellecrocker2485
    @michellecrocker2485 11 місяців тому +30

    I don’t think Catherine would have gone into battle pregnant. She was smarter than that and she knew the stakes

  • @elenamunoz1255
    @elenamunoz1255 3 місяці тому +5

    I knew the Catalina de Aragón history when I was child as many Spanish and it's probably true to say that she went to battle pregnant. Catalina was the daughter of Isabel la Católica who is well known in Spain for her fierce determination and courage. In fact, it's believed that she went to battle pregnant to encourage the troops when fighting against the Muslims.
    I would like to add that Henry the VIII was absolutely in love with her but unfortunately he needed a suitable heir.
    Catalina was raised to be queen by the strong Spanish queen Isabel la Católica,so to her divorce was a dishonor and she would prefer death than divorce.

  • @via-anghelmagahum2586
    @via-anghelmagahum2586 8 місяців тому +11

    As someone studying British history particularly the Tudor and Plantagenet eras for my degree in British literature…
    I HATE how they portrayed Catherine’s relationship with Mary. I was so excited to have a show where Catherine is going to be shown in her prime, where she isn’t just some ugly spinster lady standing in the way of Anne and Henry. But they spit on her relationship with Mary.
    Catherine loved Mary! She lived for Mary! Everything she did was for Mary. Even Henry loved Mary. At this point with Mary’s birth they were both happy to finally have a living child. Perhaps not as happy as she was a girl but Henry called her his pearl!

  • @janel.8921
    @janel.8921 11 місяців тому +19

    I believe Katherine was married to Henry longer than his other five marriages combined.

    • @KristenK78
      @KristenK78 10 місяців тому +2

      She was, actually-they were together for over 20 years! He married Anne Boleyn in 1533, and Catherine Parr in 1543, before dying in 1547.

  • @monicapark7989
    @monicapark7989 5 місяців тому +3

    I liked the series because i liked seeing Catherine shown as a strong woman with agency in her own story, and not always shown as the passive victim in her story!! Love your reviews.... always sooo good!!

  • @adellajones9887
    @adellajones9887 11 місяців тому +24

    I couldn't watch this show. Did Katherine of Aragon walk down the aisle barefoot? Would she do that? Would she go around with her hair hanging down? But the worst part for me is the portrayal of Henry. I didn't even know who he was at first. Who was this older guy flirting with Katherine? I knew Henry was much younger than Katherine. I believe you hit the nail on the head about Katherine having some power over Henry due to the age difference. Also, her upbringing. She was definitely raised different than any of his other wives. This is an interesting topic!

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +5

      I don’t think there’s any mention of her walking down the aisle barefoot.. thanks for being here!

    • @Rhaenarys
      @Rhaenarys 11 місяців тому +5

      Could be wrong, but i think the barefoot thing is more of a church thing.

    • @KristenK78
      @KristenK78 10 місяців тому +4

      Is six years’ age difference really “much” younger? Significant, sure, but it doesn’t seem terribly outlandish to me.

    • @gogreen7794
      @gogreen7794 7 місяців тому +2

      The age difference is big when the girl is 15-16 and the boy is 9-10 years old! Those were the ages of Catherine and Henry, respectively, when she arrived in England. Henry certainly wasn't writing "love letters" for Arthur to Catherine.

    • @Leno323
      @Leno323 8 днів тому

      The way you guys can’t enjoy a great show because you want a full-on history lesson and not entertainment is *CRAZY.* Lol

  • @kenziebaker4417
    @kenziebaker4417 11 місяців тому +19

    This show was the dumbest,most idiotic thing I’ve ever seen. When she jumped on Bessie Blount and gave her a cesarean section I was ROLLING

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +7

      Yes that was ridiculous!

    • @realdream7173
      @realdream7173 4 місяці тому +1

      It was an episiotomy but yes that was a ridiculous scene!

    • @kenziebaker4417
      @kenziebaker4417 4 місяці тому

      @@realdream7173 oh 😂.

  • @altinaykor364
    @altinaykor364 11 місяців тому +12

    I already had problems with so much inaccuracies which I kinda got used to it after knowing who Phillipa Gregory truly is! but after watching the episode which featured Juana I Of Castile (God bless her soul) and the way they totally messed her up, almost making her story seem like some dark joke and comedy, with a totally Philip the not-handsome, that's where I realized the show wasn't worth it and I abandoned it

  • @reniasva
    @reniasva 11 місяців тому +7

    Us historians and laymen interested in history know that these series are never historically accurate, but they're always made for a modern audience that probably lacks all historical knowledge. I don't think that anyone would mistake such a series for the historical truth, though.
    You're absolutely right: it's viewed through the eyes of the English, hence the title. That WHITE wedding dress tho? Victoria much?
    Certain networks like Starz or CW are notoriously infamous for creating modern soap operas in a historic setting, like "Reign" or "The serpent Queen" and that's perfectly fine. I rather watch the Tudors knowing that it's just historical fiction, than another boring docu about the marriage between Henry VIII. and Ann Boleyn. I have absolutely nothing against historical fiction or drama. Cate Blanchett as Elizabeth I. does a great job at portraying the essence of Elizabeth to a modern audience, although the movies are lightyears from the actual truth.
    Microphone broken? I couldn't watch it with headphones. Do you compress the sound, btw?
    Happy new year! Bonne année! Frohes Neues!

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +2

      So sorry about the sound. Not sure what happened if I’m honest.
      Thank you for your very insightful comments! And for being here!

  • @kevinsafar
    @kevinsafar 11 місяців тому +19

    I was so disappointed by this series. The first time Katherine finally has the spotlight compared to Anne Boleyn, they disrespect her like this. Philippa Gregory shouldn't be writing these woman, all she does is make them antagonistic.

    • @MrMcsia
      @MrMcsia 11 місяців тому +6

      I agree. Philippa Gregory is a horrible author and responsible for so many new stupid myths, when there were so many myths already. She should write fairy tales about cats.

    • @Leno323
      @Leno323 8 днів тому

      You guys are so irritating. You can’t enjoy entertainment at all. This show was great and so was the writing. You want a 100 percent accurate representation then watch a documentary or read a book. You don’t have to disparage the author or the show just because you’re a bore.

  • @auroresanchez6113
    @auroresanchez6113 3 місяці тому +1

    Hi !
    I’m French and a huge fan of the roses war and the Tudors history. Thank you for your videos ans explanations. I’m not vert good in english, but you speak slowly, I understand 90% of your speech. If i could Rewind and go back in Time, I think I would go in a history school.
    I didn’t know Elisabeth of York and Isabella send letters !
    Right now, I bought a book about the spanish monarchy, I’m trying to learn more about it.
    i’m hurry to see your next video 😊

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for being here!!

  • @user-cm9pt8bo3l
    @user-cm9pt8bo3l 4 місяці тому +2

    Personally I was happy that in a series the Spaniards finally looked like Spaniards.
    The "note of color" in the entourage, absolutely improbable from a historical or cultural point of view, is only a product of current fashions and impositions. Those of us who know something about the matter no longer give it any importance, beyond the typical jokes that inevitably appear.

  • @CeceScissorhands
    @CeceScissorhands 10 місяців тому +2

    I genuinely disliked the first season of The Spanish Princess but season 2 was my biggest guilty pleasure
    Historical accuracies aside (I didn’t expect it to be too accurate cuz I think it’s based on Philipa Gregory’s books which aren’t known for historical accuracy lol) - I rewatched season 2 like a million times 😅

  • @Ccamero123
    @Ccamero123 6 місяців тому +3

    Phillipa Gregory is just awful. There are so many people walking around thinking her take is the right one. Catherine Of Aragon did not walk barefoot. Errrr.

  • @heatherwaetzig2633
    @heatherwaetzig2633 11 місяців тому +4

    I was very disappointed by this series and was hoping to see a more positive, accurate portrayal of Catherine of Aragon. Her story is incredible and unfortunately this series really dropped the bomb in terms of decent character portrayals. I'm glad you found some good things to enjoy in it. As a Dudley fangirl I was excited to see that Edmund Dudley was included in The Spanish Princess but then they screwed up his storyline by having Margaret Beaufort execute him. Yikes! The villainization of the women in this show was hard to swallow. Elizabeth of York, Margaret Beaufort and even Catherine were portrayed as being very nasty to each other. Very disappointing! These women were friendly in real life. It was nice to see a spunky, assertive Catherine though and Margaret Tudor also got included which was lovely. Her storyline was well-done.

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +1

      Yes I really like Catherine of Aragon!

  • @KristinHall0918
    @KristinHall0918 3 місяці тому +3

    If only they had all known it is actually the male who determines the sex of the baby. How awful it must have been for these women to feel so shamed for not being able to deliver "a healthy male heir".

  • @msher33
    @msher33 11 місяців тому +11

    I think Catherine of Aragon was only 6 years older than Henry 8

    • @obcl8569
      @obcl8569 11 місяців тому +5

      Exactly right - born in 1485 & 1491 respectively 😊

    • @tracypowell9841
      @tracypowell9841 11 місяців тому +3

      Catherine of Aragon was born on the 14 December 1485

    • @genna2586
      @genna2586 11 місяців тому +3

      Exactly. That is indisputable.

    • @gogreen7794
      @gogreen7794 7 місяців тому

      "Only" is a bigger deal when the boy is 10 and the girl is 16.

    • @Beroean30
      @Beroean30 3 місяці тому

      At that age , 16 and 10 is a major age difference.

  • @mariepierce1517
    @mariepierce1517 11 місяців тому +1

    Will never be accurate but always entertaining

  • @batmansoracle8111
    @batmansoracle8111 11 місяців тому +1

    Oooo i would love this syllabus for cross cultural encounters (I’m an anthropologist)

  • @nirvairsingh7687
    @nirvairsingh7687 11 місяців тому +2

    I was willing to see this series but i didn't know its so inaccurate and thanks for the great review as always

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому

      Thanks so much for being here!

    • @gogreen7794
      @gogreen7794 7 місяців тому

      Always watch these historical dramas with a large grain of salt! They are not documentaries, but there are plenty of them available.

  • @RosellaDouglas
    @RosellaDouglas 3 місяці тому

    Henry the 8th was a very tall man . His skeleton i understand is 6'3'' I have a tall grandson and at 11 years old he was 5'11''and now at 16 he is 6'4''..and because of how tall he is he looks older.

  • @Rhaenarys
    @Rhaenarys 11 місяців тому +5

    I dont believe for a second that she didnt consummate the marriage with Arthur, in real life. He wasnt sick when they got married, and no real reason to suspect he was gay, no reason to believe he wouldnt have at least by the second or third night.
    I personally disagree, i think it was great, and expected to be shown, that they had them do it in the show. It just makes more sense.

    • @KristinHall0918
      @KristinHall0918 3 місяці тому

      I never understood that. Historically accurate or not, women were often remarried after their husbands died. Obviously they had children. Was it just royalty who were not allowed to remarry? I love Tudor history so this is something I always wondered. It's not like she was an old widowed queen.

    • @Rhaenarys
      @Rhaenarys 3 місяці тому

      @@KristinHall0918 the problem wasnt because she was married, but because she was married to Henrys brother. If it were another royal, like Francis or Henri (from France) then it wouldnt matter at all. But because the Catholic faith is against keeping it in the family, even if its not your family, but the family of your previous spouse, it mattered.
      But yea, the Bible says its unclean to get your brothers widow, but it also contradicts itself by saying the brother SHOULD marry the widow and take care of her, and her children, like his own lol, so...🤷🏼‍♀️
      Hope that helps make it make sense.

    • @KristinHall0918
      @KristinHall0918 3 місяці тому

      @@Rhaenarys Yes thank you for explaining that!
      Another reason it baffled me was because supposedly Elizabeth of York went to great lengths to set up this marriage between Arthur and Catherine, then he died and all the sudden they said "Oh well just cast her aside because she already consummated with Arthur". I was like huh? What was the point? Wouldn't they still desire that alliance. All very confusing. But thank you for clearing that up. Now it makes sense. Even though you are correct, it is conflicting. 🙏

  • @Maria-cx6vd
    @Maria-cx6vd 9 місяців тому

    by any chance, do u know what order to watch the white queen, the white princess and the Spanish princess and if they tie together in any way it seems they do and i love history but i get confused with the time lines

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  8 місяців тому

      first the white queenm then the white princess and then the Spanish princess.. I'll review the two other shows once I'm back from maternity leave

  • @Maria1000G
    @Maria1000G 11 місяців тому +2

    The term is “blackamoors”.

  • @Sabrinajaine
    @Sabrinajaine 11 місяців тому +3

    Did they really call Henry 'Harry' while he was a prince?

    • @obcl8569
      @obcl8569 11 місяців тому +5

      I believe they did! It's a very common nickname for Henry - the current Prince Harry's full name is Henry Charles Albert David 🙂

    • @cactus1907061990
      @cactus1907061990 11 місяців тому +2

      Thomas Moore also called him Harry in private.

  • @DakotaFord592
    @DakotaFord592 11 місяців тому +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Histoire-fb5qe
    @Histoire-fb5qe 11 місяців тому +1

    J'ai effectué mon mémoire sur la politique d'Henri II et les îles britanniques. Au cours de cette période j'ai découvert Marie I et quelle reine !

  • @SuperJolie2011
    @SuperJolie2011 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for doing this, but I think you were too kind to the series. It's disappointing to see the only screen portrayal of Catherine's early life (not just beginning with the Anne Boleyn affair) treated like this. She and Prince Arthur were just 15 years old when they married (in life, not the series) and had been sheltered, so it's not entirely unbelievable that their marriage was never consummated. At least give Catherine the benefit of the doubt and don't cast her as a scheming liar. Then they make her cold towards her daughter Mary when there was no indication of that. And where is Catherine's famously devout Catholicism? I think Showtime's "the Tudors" was a much more accurate portrayal, except for the hair color. And don't get me started on what they did to pious family man, SAINT Thomas More, who was also more respectfully depicted in The Tudors. The most laughable thing in the whole series was Catherine performing an emergency episiotomy on her husband's mistress. Yeah, I'm sure THAT happened.
    But, unlike others I actually preferred Season 2 to Season 1, which dragged. You have to take this series with a huge grain of salt.

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  8 місяців тому

      I can see your point... If I was doing it by episode I would not be that kind ha

  • @anastasiakirbey1034
    @anastasiakirbey1034 11 місяців тому +2

    I love the show maby better than the tudors❤

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому

      It has really big strengths for sure!

    • @cactus1907061990
      @cactus1907061990 11 місяців тому

      At least both Henry’s sisters exist in this version.

  • @a.t.c.3862
    @a.t.c.3862 20 днів тому

    Katherine of Aragorn was swarthy, almost black.

  • @helzbelle13
    @helzbelle13 11 місяців тому +4

    Despite the inaccuracies, I LOVED season 1 of this show, but I couldn’t stand season 2. I was so frustrated with how they did season 2.
    (I also think that the actresses for Anne & Mary Boleyn in season 2 should’ve swapped roles)

    • @ElleHistory
      @ElleHistory  11 місяців тому +2

      I also preferred season 1 for sure!

  • @gallaghergillian2
    @gallaghergillian2 11 місяців тому +4

    It was absolutely awful!

  • @DoYouReallyNeedThis-h1t
    @DoYouReallyNeedThis-h1t 6 місяців тому +1

    You must suffer from massive headaches.