historical TV shows you thought have flawless costuming but actually don't
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The most frustrating thing I find about these shows is that if they just stuck to going 100% in on the historical accuracy the shows would be timeless, their insistence on adding "current" fashion elements is what is going to end up dating the shows in the end.
Generally I agree but there is something to be said for some things that combine eras of fashion, like 2015 Cinderella using 1860s and 1950s styles (but not 2015 styles so much to be fair) to make a really cool fantasy aesthetic, and I don't really know other examples, maybe Ella Enchanted? it's pretty rooted in the time it came out but I find that charming. I am sure there are others that aren't Cinderella retellings....
I wish I'd read your comment first. Precisely. It's such a waste.
@@asterismos5451 Yeah, but that's not necessarily what the original comment meant. They were referring to something like the Camila Cabello Cinderella, with it's anachronisms and 2020 beach waves 👀
@@lucasmcinnis5045 Oh for sure I agree on that. Even very modern makeup is horribly distracting. My point is just that sometimes it can work but generally it's horrid.
Agreed! Anachronistic makeup and hair in particular can really date a production to the years in which it was created, rather than the era in which it's set 🙈
A very funny thing about the Anne series is that the books themselves are historically inaccurate. The first book is supposed to start in 1876, but there's talk of distinctly 1890s fashion like pompadours, wide-brimmed hats, and the famous puffed sleeves. Of course, the date is never mentioned in the first book and is taken from backdating based on the final book, Rilla of Ingleside, which takes place during WWI. It's entirely possible that LM Montgomery originally meant for the first book to take place in the 1890s and only later changed things when she wanted Anne's children to participate in WWI. But it still creates a big problem for adaptors when they have to choose between either messing up the timeline or having very era inappropriate puffed sleeves.
yes, the timeline is a mess!
I never really paid attention to that but you’re right if she had been born in 1880 or 79 which is about the timeline of the first book she would’ve only been like 33-35 at the beginning of World War I. And none of her kids would’ve been old enough because she didn’t get married till she was like 25. I can’t speak about the costumes but the original Canadian version got played on PBS here in the states is still my favorite and everything else just fall short in my book
The puffed sleeves are a MUCH more important plot and character point in most reader's minds.
I tend to ignore the last book for the main reason that L.M. Montgomery didn't actually want to write any more books after the 3rd one but wrote the rest because of the publishing company.
I did an indepth research paper a few years ago because I absolutely love 'Anne of Green Gables' and I wish I still had it. 😭
@@hooraylaw Anne of Windy Poplars even has a reference to the Great San Francisco earthquake...which happened in 1906.
2:32 Peaky Blinders
8:54 Anne with an E
10:54 Versailles
12:37 Mad Men
15:17 The Marvellous Mrs Maisel
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Lmao I heard under the knee instead of Anne with an E. I thought it was some sort of parody of Under the Sea (the song)
@@folded_pizza I thought I was the only one lol!
What about Outlander?
I was born in 1951, so I firsthand witnessed the "50s, "60s, and so on. Not every woman in the 50s wore a bullet bra, but girdles were a definite must. Also, there seems to be an inability among designers to distinguish the early '60s from the late-post British invasion fashions-say, from 1964 forward.
I would definitely be interested in a video on all the common breast shapes of the modern fashion decades! Like Abby Cox’s historical boobs/butts videos, but more in detail perhaps starting with 1920s onward. Foundation garments definitely need to be happening in a better way on screen, stage, etc, for any period piece!
Exactly. I often wonder if there is a distinction between American fashion and English or French for the same time period.
Thank you for the fact! God bless 💓
@@shelbysittig1047 there was, and I may be wrong here, but in my limited experience it’s mostly in the commonality of some neck cuts, patterns, and the choice between polos and turtlenecks. There also seemed to be a short-lived spike in men’s double-breasted jackets. I’m not sure if that was British Invasion fashion or not, but they appeared more afterwards.
(Note: I’m talking American and British fashions here, I’m not sure where the French went. They deviated from the British and thus Americans somewhere around here, but I’m not certain.)
I was born in 54 so was just becoming aware of fashion in the mid 60s because of an older "cool" cousin. She made sure I was totally "Mod" for her company picnic. lol I ran the full range of styles through the 80s. What people think we wore in the 60s & 70s these days is almost as annoying as thinking anything in makeup is totally new. I'm rocking the 70s again these days. It was more about comfort then IMO.
There's a time for enjoying, and there's a time for nitpicking. You can do both, if you want. I think you always give apropriate credit and respect to the creators, they sent their creations out into the world and now it's ours to do with as we please.
Yes, she is very fair ! And let's face it, the folks in the costuming departments have little control about budget, & what the "big bosses" want. They can 'suggest' until the cows come home !
Time for enjoying: while watching the show
Time for nitpicking: running to Karolina's channel for a clothes roast 😂🥰
@@m.maclellan7147 This is true. If only the big bosses would listen to their audience instead!
Yes! I always appreciate takes like this, because it makes me open my eyes a little more, and look for these details. In the end, I just learn more about historical fashion, not mad at that.
@@m.maclellan7147 exactly. And often directors and producers want a level of modern sex appeal like mentioned in the video.
I enjoy Anne with an E not because it's historical, but because it's cottagecore AF. Could transplant the whole series into an alternate universe where the girls have cell phones with cute little mushrooms and dried flowers on the cases, and they carry'em in baskets alongside bread and cheese wrapped in embroidered tea towels, and I'd still be 100% down for it.
I think the 1980's production was even better. Just gorgeous
I find versions of Agatha Christie's novels interesting because they cover such a long time period (from the 50s through to 2020s) trying to interpret art deco/1930s costume and you can see the style of each era underneath. Like Death on the Nile which was filmed in the 50s, 70s, 90s and 2020s.
Oooo, now THAT is a fascinating little rabbit hole to explore ! 😀
I saw the film version of And then there were none from the like 40s and the TV series from a couple of years ago and I had a lot of fun comparing how they adapted the story but never stopped to compare the costumes! I know what I'm doing next weekend for sure
now that's very interesting. Like watching the Music Man but turn of the century only 60s.
Ooh that would be fascinating to dive into! Especially in eras that have very specific wide spread style, I’d love to see a comparison on how that influenced the historically set films/shows being filmed at the time. I feel like you quite commonly see that influence in the hairstyle of historic characters to some degree but I don’t know enough about era appropriate costuming to notice the filming decade influence on the settings era clothing. This would be a fascinating exploration!
Some of the Poirot novels were published in the mid 70’s.
I would like to see the historical equivalent of Paris Fashion Week 💀 (with the crazy nonsensical outfits and the Victorian Seamstress making a guest judge appearance)
Where do i sign for this to happen?!?
we need ms tatternickel as a judge too
@@abigailw7146 omg yes please
@@abigailw7146 YES, PLEASE ! MORE MISS TATTERNICKLE !
this would be fantastic
Getting shorter female historical hairstyles right in films has been a problem since the advent of normalized long hair for almost all women in the 1970s. I remember in the mid-seventies when a movie set in the fifties was holding auditions in my town and a lot of the teenage girls they were seeking for many of the parts declined to try out or declined offers of roles because they either were afraid they might have to cut their hair or that the longer hairstyles they'd have to wear, even fifties ponytails, would unflatteringly (they felt) flatten their seventies body waves and wings. They also didn't want to wear period hats for the same reason: it would mess up their long, wavy hair.
Oh no, my hair naturally looks similar to the 70s and 80s waves/perms depending on if it’s about to be wash day or if it just was and ponytails look awesome! Just… I would have to straighten it and use a lot of product if I wanted it to sit more like a 50s style, which a lot of women probably actually did.
American Graffitti is so bad about this. It's supposed to be '62 but all of the extras' hairstyles are a dead giveaway for the 70s.
Well, that's how you know who actually wants to be an actress and who just wants to be on the spotlight! I would never decline a role that requires me to change something that changes back as fast as hair!
All the hair stuff is so weird to me bc in theater I've learned to basically give up my hair in order to act, so why top tier actresses are worried I have no clue
@@coopermadison6297 I've always worn wigs in theater, specially because it's better to hide the head mics!
How do we make history simple, entertaining, and accurate?
Every historian ever: ... pick two
I mean... you could do all three of them but the narrative might go to weird places (and narratives can become critical very quickly)
Also, if directors and producers were more into history or were willing to work much closer with historians, there might be better period films/TV shows visually and audio wise.
@@DragonriderEpona I think that's why when you pick "entertaining" and "accurate" it can no longer be simple. Still doable, but requires a lot of effort and attention.
Accurate and entertaining, always! Pleeeeeease !
Downton abbey
@@GleePotter8468 As much as I love that one, I'd hardly call Downtown Abbey simple lol.
I'm honestly just relieved someone remembers Versailles exists 😭 I loved that show
YES CURSE THE R O U M D BOOB
people are so scared of HISTORICAL FASHION not being 'sexy' (beg to differ) that the boobs are almost always way too low and so rounded. It throws the whole look and silhouette off and if it's an original garment, means the bust darts don't lie right. I switched to bullet bras irl and they look so much better under clothing, they give you the vintage look whatever you chuck on top of them. Modern bras do the reverse- they 'costume-ise' even the most faithful reproduction, and make actual vintage look frumpy.
Where did you get your hands on a bullet bra??
@@rebeccawilliams5337 There's a few reproduction companies that make them. Secrets in Lace is one I'm aware of. There are also bra companies that have been around for a long time and still make the older styles for customers that prefer them, like Goddess and Elila.
I’m still in mourning that there is no more Versailles to come ☹️
@@rebeccawilliams5337 What Katie Did and Bettie Page for Playful Promises do cute spiral stitched bullet bras, but honestly my everyday one is a Triumph Doreen, it's one of those they just didn't stop making so it's faithful but also really comfy and looks incredible under clothing.
100% agree with you. They never get the hair right.
That’s what I always check for and I’m always disappointed.
@@elizabethbarclay It's actually why I couldn't watch Peaky Blinders, lol.
I know this is months old but I have to comment and agree. In pretty much every historical show, it’s the hair and makeup (where used) that always is the giveaway. I especially have a hard time with more recent shows, such as set in the 80s, which I lived through. The hair on both men and women is never even close to accurate. And makeup was just made of different ingredients then applied differently. Others will rave about the 80s fashions but I’ll be like “it’s not even close.”
Ms. Zebrowska, allow me to say I adore your critiques! As an old lady who consciously lived in all the periods from the late 1950s to the present, little irritates me more than movies that proport to play in one or the other of these periods and then miss the aesthetic of these times by a long shot. People of 1964 would not have found our contemporary hair styles or garment silhouettes sexy, but rather just odd. So for me, seeing our present-day hair fashion or garment aesthetic pop up in a film that is supposedly set in times I remember, but completely misses the mark in the costumes, frustrates me no end. I just don't care if the women in the film please our contemporary men. The kowtow to our fashion aesthetic ruins a film for me. The worst examples of that are "historical" B-movies from the early 60s, where Victorian ladies had bouffant hair. No other positive feature of such a movie could ever make up for that.
I read a tropey supernatural werewolf historical romance for a bit of fun with my book club recently (not normally into romance so much) and all the way through I was picking holes with the costumes, I blame you! It was regency and I was there like "WHERE IS HER CHEMISE?!" and "Why and how is his CHEST HAIR visible?!"
Which one? I seriously might look into it.
@@professorbutters It's called "The Ravencliff Bride" - fair warning, I don't have much to compare it to but I'm told it's not a shining example of the genre lol. It kept me reading though. I mainly enjoyed reading about the cool old house. Also there are some heavier scenes (there are content notes on Storygraph).
Lmao 🤦🏾♀️ I do the same thing! Like where are the bonnets and hats!? Why would a woman of 25 have her hair down in broad daylight? Just tickles me.
If you want more in the genre check out Gail Carriger's books! Gail herself is very into historical fashion and incorporates that into her books ;)
@@DragonGirl1225 Ooh thanks for the tip!
Re: Anne with an E- I think you have to take into account that the characters are meant to be in PEI, Canada. PEI is a tiny island province close to the Atlantic which would've been largely been isolated from the forward fashion of say, Toronto or Montreal at the time. And since they're largely a farming/fishing sort of population, their version of "upper class" or what's fashionable is likely going to be an imitation of the reality. So all the flare might be overwrought because that's what they thought was fashionable in Toronto or whatever. But agreed on the fabric choices... That being said, CBC (the broadcaster who's responsible for the show) is a public broadcaster in Canada so their budget is probably the toss-aways from Murdoch Mysteries. I agree with you on the school girl dresses, but credit has to be given for Anne's outfit in episode 1- it's clearly too small and ill fitting, demonstrative of a girl who has been wearing the same one dress for years due to her poverty and orphanage-life.
Fashion magazines have existed for decades before the era the show is set in so most people where able to keep up with fashion.
Well said.
I'm from Atlantic Canada, I think that since Anne with an E doesn't really have much to do with Atlantic Canada (no insult they just didn't pay a lot of attention to what living in Atlantic Canada is/was like) they shouldn't get to pull out the "Atlantic Canada doesn't play by fashion rules!" card when they're criticized.
Bear in mind that the oceans were the super-highways of the 19th century - many islands and coastal communities were far less 'isolated' than we imagine them to have been.
@cairis k Well said. There is still a vast diversity in fashion across the Canadian provinces today, regardless of fashion magazines and media.
Oh god finally!! Thank you for calling out Peaky Blinders for their awful hair styling, I was watching Grace with her beachwaves and was like omg why! the whole time, I really wish they could've gotten it right, it really took away from the immersion of the show for me
It's full of historical errors.
Her hair was so bad, I did't watch past ep 1. If a show is supposed to be in 1920 - at least try.
Series 6 is kinda crap anyway 😂
@@johnvonundzu2170 exactly the same for me
Never watched Pesky Blunders the main character shown in the tv pages always reminded me of Rudolf Nureyev but suffering from late stage AIDS, not a good image.🤔
I do wonder what you think of the 1920s costumes in Miss Fischer's Murder Mysteries, because it has been praised as very accurate and the costume designer apparently used a lot of original pieces and most of the budget went into the costumes
Someone else knows about Miss Fischer's!! I'm so happy 🥺
They were very good. It's hard on the show because the book original is much shorter than Essie Davis, but because it was set right at the turn of the 20/30s they got to play around with the more shapely fashions of the early 30s.
Yes, Karolina, do Miss Fischer's Murder Mysteries! All the costumes are divine, even the men's!
Please! I adore the costuming in that show!
@@FlorPudding Honestly even if it wasn't accurate, it's so beautiful and creative that I wouldn't mind
As a Anne with an E fan I’m actually sad that costume designers didn’t use the any of the “turn of the century” hair styles Koralina suggested. They’re SO CUTE
Costume designers don't do the hair lol
One of my favourite moments in the original CBC Anne series is when the girls are dressing for Diana's wedding and Anne is horsing around in her pretty Edwardian undergarments, perfectly comfortable being her riotous self. They just *had* to drag corsets in the remake and it was frustrating.
It's a requirement for every historical show to throw corsets under the bus even it's not factual.
They dragged a lot of things into the remake which were unnecessary.
@@faechan849 OH BOY i could not agree with you more
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Unfortunately, I think the hair braiding trend died out with all the fantasy shows of the 2010s (i.e. Hunger Games, Game of Thrones, and The Hobbit) and fads like the Vsco Girl and Boho. We really need to find a way to bring it back into these historical shows and show people it's not as outdated and cringey as they're afraid it will be.
How is braided hair cringey? Is that an American thing? In Europe depending on the region that's just what everyone knows women used to wear their hair like traditionally and it's worn with the national costume sometimes. I had a long single braid into my 20s and I got many compliments for it 😁
@@c.w.8200 I think in the US, braids are often seen as somewhat folksy/quaint/old-fashioned/hippyish/childish. I've gotten a lot of comments from people who like MY braids, but feel like they would look childish or stupid if they did it themselves.
N.B.: I'm not talking about the Black community, where braids and twists are well-loved.
@@PurelyCoincidental I'm not really keeping up with what's fashionable but my younger co-workers have a lot of different braids so I think it's either starting to be fashionable or already is 🙃 This is Swe and my younger co-workers are 19-23ish.
If you saw Black Widow, the braids are modernized and very fashionable there.
i feel like hair braid trends peaked with Frozen - like their whole marketing strategy was Elsa's (and Anna's) fashions and the aesthetic heavily involved her braid (not to mention the infamous transformation during Let It Go) until her "final form" in Frozen II. obviously the trend was buoyed by the other shows/movies you mentioned but Frozen appealed to children and adults alike, hence that feeling of a peak.
I just try to enjoy the style of the costumes at this point, since there's no way everything's perfectly accurate :)
Yes! Plus it is cool to see outfits that I could make from thrift finds that still are modern but have that essence of 19--
I actually think the point about how you’re looking for something beyond what costumers like those in this community make is a good one because so many of the costumers I watch on here talk themselves about their limits with budgets, resources, and time. Where these projects have so much at their fingertips that the costumers here would KILL FOR to go even farther than they already do.
You’d think that, but actually costume budgets and deadlines are usually incredibly tight. You have to remember that it’s not just the main characters they have to clothe, every side character, one liner and background actor have to also fit within the costume budget. That’s hundreds, sometimes thousands garments that have to be sourced or made and fitted in a span of sometimes three, four months. There are actually two great examples in this video, Anne and Versailles, where time and budgeting was clearly an issue rather than lack of efforts. There’s no way Versailles could’ve done the amount of garments needed with the level of detail required on a budget that show had, and without at least a year of pre-production. Anne had a teeny budget and it’s probably not far from the truth to say the costumes are reminiscent of a school play. I’m willing to bet most of them are stock costumes which are usually not great, and at least in Europe there’s some brilliant stocks around, but I think Canada is pretty lacking in the department.
Not to say there aren’t costume designers who just don’t give a mickey, but I promise you there are some that would KILL for the freedom of a hobby costumer :D
You might be overestimating how much time and money most directors and producers give to the costume departments
The hair is often a letdown. Such a missed opportunity to show the iconic 1920s female hairstyles. We need more finger waves in the shows!!! Btw. love your hair in this video Karolina. :)
That’s why Downton Abbey was so enjoyable
So many finger waves everywhere
@@blooddragon805 Oh yes, so true!
You should do a costume analysis of When calls the heart. It's supposedly set in 1900s Canada, but with how the characters are dressing, it might as well be 2013. ALSO, one thing we can give credit to Anne with an E is that it doesn't lean in on that whole "Corset is a torture device" scene that most period dramas had. In fact, it goes against it. In the last season, where Anne puts on her first corset, at first she's complaining about how corsets are restricting, but then Marilla says to her "How would you know? You've never worn one." And then she puts it on and it fits perfectly.
Bernadette Banner has a video where she ranks the accuracy of modern (post 2000 - she explains why) made historical movies and series, When Calls the Heart among them. You really should watch it, she is very sassy about it
Watching peaky blinders for the first time i literally couldnt get Grace's hairstyle out of my head, its so incredibly out of place omg.
You coming for Versailles costumes made me question my entire life and all I thought I knew about costumes and France history in general. It was useful tho, painful but useful. Also I live for Philippe's hair and all men' hair actually. Maybe not historical but very shampoo commercial worthy and I'm here for it.
So impressed. I am 60 and costume and fashion trained and get very frustrated by so many weird interpretations of historical, classical and vintage fashions. Annoyed and just fed up that so many opportunities to really get it right are only half at best realised. Silhouette is everything and the correct underwear and supporting garments are necessary to achieve both the stance and attitude of the person as well as the look of the era. Film, TV series whatever… for hair too, my goodness, take the chop and grow it later. It’s a job after all. Anyway, just a rant or two there. Totally enjoyed this Karolina. So much fun.
I first became aware of these kinds of details when "Gone with the Wind" got the antebellum south so wrong.
@@karenryder6317It happens with with so many little details and when you see them it is frustrating. The swash buckler film with Errol Flynn, Robin Hood was another example of things just off in the costuming.
Speaking of 1920s fashion, I'm surprised I haven't seen you cover Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries yet, or the follow up series set in the 60s. The former is especially known for it's opulent costumes
And Essie Davis did not shrink from getting the correct length 20s bob, which is refreshing!
@mabith There was also a plethora of modern underpinnings.
Miss Fisher is set right before the Great Depression and somewhat into it. It's very much late 20s early 30s.
Wait, wait, wait. There's a follow up series? I have some research to do.
@@setsunaeien yeah, set in the 60s with a long lost niece of Phryne's.
The hairstyles are always a let down... but I absolutely loved this video! I'd be very cool if you could analyse the costumes in "Outlander". They're one of the most beautiful 18th century inspired clothing that I've seen in a show + it focuses a bit on the 20th century too :) Love from Estonia
Yes!! That dior bar suit inspired dress in s2 was everything
I’d absolutely love to see a part 2 for this video and have Outlander on it!
I don’t know enough about renaissance fashion to comment on the accuracy but I would love to see Karolina talk about The Borgias (2011) costumes. They were absolutely exquisite in their intricacy and detail.
I can’t help but wonder if you ever watched the German series Babylon Berlin? It’s set in the years 1929-1931 I think. I really really love the series, and to my untrained eye the costumes look so good, but I have no idea how accurate they are
I love the lead's really short hair and the really fun hats :)
I’m so glad you acknowledged the fact that Anne with a e costumes are too short. I was thinking that the entire time I was watching
Hard agree. At first I was horrified but thought “ok, in the book her dress was described as ‘skimpy’ and too small, it’ll get better” then she got new dresses and they showed the other girls and. Knees! Everywhere! 😱
Same, especially in the later seasons--Anne was 16 and you could still see her knees!
@@edawhat3737 right! By 16 girls skirts were floor length.
I always wonder what you think about "Victoria" ITV series' costumes (my favourite series btw, it's on HBO) because I just love them and there are some backstage videos on PBS masterpiece channel where costume makers discuss the process and ideas (for example they use something like a duvet instead of many layers under the skirt for that "puffy" look)
I love the series too, I wish it wasn´t cancelled :(
I'd love to see a Karolina critique of Victora as well. I loved the series and the costumes. To my eye they looked amazing, but I'm curious to know if there are any inaccuracies!🙂
@@xxMary89xx omg! I didn't realize it was cancelled! I just assumed it was still delayed because of covid. 😢
Victoria was really cool! I'd also like to know her thoughts on Gran Hotel (spanish), the costumes were amazing but I have no idea if they're accurate 😅
@@skyvideos8246 I've been meaning to start watching that!! It looks like great fun. Thanks for the reminder!
I would actually LOVE an in-depth video on Anne With An E. I adore that show, but I’d love to see what they got right and what they got wrong with different characters.
I agree. In its defense, I think the most of the girls' dresses were were supposed to look home-made, rural, and youthful (until they graduate). You wouldn't want a very low hemline in a PEI red dirt field.
me too! I love it so much and I think it would be fantastic to hear more opinions on it. I personally love how the costumes look, regardless of their accuracy.
@@keymatrix now you have me craving some PEI potatoes ! The BEST potatoes but tricky to find in U.S.A. !
same!! im far from an expert so i was just glad it was better than the 80s adaptation i watched as a kid lolol
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I would love a video just about Mrs. Maisel! I love the show but I am always curious to learn more about tv show costume vs. real life. Love your videos!
Yesss!
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Yes!
The actresses in Mad Men were, in fact, wearing period correct girdles. They referred to them frequently- like Allison Brie frequently sharing the anecdote of how she peed herself on the set of Mad Men because she couldn't get her girdle off.
good to know! well, most actresses in Victorian period dramas are wearing corsets too, but we all know it doesn’t guarantee the nice silhouette 🤓
Yes! I remember them talking about how Joan was outfitted in authentic clothing as much as possible.
@ Because they're using the modern day Victoria's Secret concept of a 'corset' which is really more of a bustier.
@@moonlily1 or they do straight up weird Shit by pairing corsets with.... Empire waists? Just whyyy, your corsets rarely fit and you cant even See it under all the boob waists 😂
Mad Men remains one of my favourite shows because of how successfully Janie Bryant the costume designer managed to incorporate character development and storytelling into period appropriate clothing. I think it's one of the few period shows that successfully manage to tell the story of the sixties in a very authentic way utilising the costumes as a vehicle to propel the story, the context and the characters. Tom and Lorenzo do some excellent costume analysis for Mad Men on their blog and have an interview with Janie Bryant too.
Can you do a review of the show The Gilded Age? Half of the fashion seems accurate, and the other half seems more modern in terms of cut and materials (but they own it, so it's chill)
Yes please!
The Frock Flicks gals are covering the fashions episode by episode, and they have a lot to say about period accuracy.
Not to mention Gladys gives me 18th century vibes half the time. Maybe it was a deliberate choice to make her clothes seem more childish than those who were already "out"?
Yes! I continue to be amazed that Karolina hasn't done a video on TGA. Not sure why, but I've enjoyed that show way more than Downton Abbey, and I find the costumes more impressive too. (Though I confess I'm so captivated by the furniture & decor that I sometimes don't notice the clothes.)
I was about to ask her to review that show!)
would love to see u do a deep dive analysis of the costuming on Our Flag Means Death.. it's kind of anachronistic but it's all intentional to tell the viewer more ab the character and i think you'd love Stede and Mary's outfits
Yess I agree, I'd love to hear her talk about all the characters costumes and especially all of Stede's outfits
I love it whenever you expose these inaccuracies, Karolina 🥰
I think the costume designers of Anne with an E thought that if they started series with the children’s dresses too short it would help sell the idea that the actors were younger than they are and that years we’re passing in the lives of the characters. It does at least look a little gawky, like they’re getting taller faster than their families can replace or let down their clothes lol. I was just recently watching the classic Canadian mini, and they seemed to have approached that same problem with long pinafores with no waists, only adding in waistbands when the girls were a little older. The practicality of the long pinafores might mean they’re entirely accurate, but they didn’t necessarily fool you into believing the actors were shorter. (Poor Diana doing calisthenics with her pinafore hanging straight down and dragging in the dirt below her!)
i would love to see you talk about downtown abbey, from what I understand the costuming department very much aimed for accuracy but no one outside of the show has ever really talked about it so I don't know how legit it might be.
Those colors make you look like you’re glowing internally like a lantern keep it up they’re stunning on you
CBC's original Anne of Green Gables would be interesting to see critiqued. Road to Avonlea, Wind at My Back and Emily of New Moon should all be similar.
I think Anne with an E had a pretty tight budget and did their best with it, although of course I get your criticism. But it is absolutely amazing and I highly recommend watching it!
I think the latest series of peaky blinders is set in 1930s as the British Union of fascists and Oswald mosley are key players
My favorite historical era movie is Orlando. The story is great and the costumes really change as the lead character goes through the different ages
Yes! One of my fave actresses , Tilda Swinton was in that film....
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Billy Zane, too!
Such a good film!
Me: "Ah yes, she makes a good point here."
Also me: has never seen a historical photo outside this channel literally ever
My sister watched Peaky Blinders once and was quite concerned that the men's pants weren't correct.
Also, due to personal nitpicking I can't get fully immersed in historical fiction. For example, today I finished reading a book where the female protagonist (in a story set in the early 1810s) was wearing varying silhouettes in every scene, from big floofy skirts to dresses clinging enough that they could apparently reveal every curve. Quite a change and very offputting.
EDIT: I'd love it if you critiqued the 2004 North and South adaptation. The costumes look very evocative, but I think your insight will be interestng.
@@hannahreynolds7611 sweet :) what I mean is that the description of the outfit would also change within the same scene.
Well the fashion of the napoleonic wars/the french revoulution included both big fluffy dresses and slim almost seethrough ones
I was hoping you'd talk about the Poirot series, maybe sampling episodes from the beginning vs. end of the run of the show. Maybe in a future video?
I'm just waiting for someone to do a video on the historical accuracy of Road to Avonlea. And maybe the 90s Secret Garden movie that, upon rewatching, I realized influenced like... 80% of my wardrobe subconsciously. You know, hit me with dem classics.
90s secret garden had a huge impact on me. it's still a favorite.
@@alisonjane7068 I watched again a couple years ago to see if it was just nostalgia, and no. The child acting is pretty damn great, the cinematography is actually breathtaking, and the clothes and set design are just... chef's kiss.
That movie holds up. Actually timeless. :)
@@Prizzlesticks absolutely agree
I'm a background extra as a side job, and some fellow extras have been on Mad Men, complaining because they didn't like wearing period-accurate underwear. So I guess it's cool to know the production usually paid attention to that detail (according to what I'd hear at least).
I honestly like the 1920s female short hairstyles. I think they can look quite sexy on many actresses. I'm not sure why productions resist this.
As she notes here, the present-day actresses don't want to cut their hair and wigs can hardly accommodate the volume.
True in part, however, many women in the early '20s did not actually bob their hair, just the front, pinning the back up under their hats (required day wear in public!) as full on bobs were not considered feminine enough!
Always love a bit of meme mom being annoyed at period outfits, it never misses
I love videos like this because it's SO much easier (in my opinion) to learn fashion history with "here's what's NOT right about this costume"... also if someone clicks on a video titled "historical TV shows you thought have flawless costuming but actually don't" and doesn't expect some nitpicking and general #roasting then what are they even doing. The nitpicking is part of the fun!
My great grandad knew the peaky blinders. They were regulars in his dads pub. Let me tell you, they were not at all like the TV show 😂
I’ve been rewatching Agent Carter recently, I love the outfits so much but I’d love to know your opinion on them on if they’re historically accurate! Even if they aren’t, there are some banger outfits that I think you’d appreciate.
dang, i miss agent carter!
One thing I love about the costumes in Anne with an E is that they used tatted lace on some of the items, which is exciting as a tatter. It is the right era for it to be used, but since it can only be made by hand and not machine, it was surprising to see
I know hardly anything about historical fashion, but Grace's hair in the early seasons of Peaky Blinders REALLY stuck out like a sore thumb in the supposed 1920's setting
Okay but there’s something to be said for the unprofessional look of Anne With an E. I don’t know about you, but I almost consider it a tradition for Canadian television costumes to look like that. Like have you seen Murdoch Mysteries? I chalk it up to the budget of CBC not being as big as they want.
As for the length of the dresses the only thing I can guess is they weren’t quite teenagers yet (11 in the first book) along with the fact that she lived on a farm in PEI where they often had to make their own clothes and reuse fabric.
Please. please, please, please, do HBO's "The Gilded Age". Set in New York City of 1880, the series covers the competition between the new rich and the old rich. The costuming in amazing, and seems to accurately get the women's fashions & hairstyles. But would really like your take on the show. Please review the fashions of this show!
Okey, I have to give a very biased little defence of Anne with an E because I love that series so so so so much haha. But like you said, good costuming is completely subjective anyway!
The costumes are not perfectly historically accurate, but come very close I think, and the historical deviations and creative liberties all serve a purpose imo, they add to the story and the characters and had me (a fan and lover but not an expert on historical costuming) fully immersed. Examples:
The over the top ruffles and laces make you emphathize with Anne’s adoration for them; the bit too short schoolgirl dresses add something rural, which is fitting in this farming community, but also add something playful and youthful, in a historical setting that through our modern eyes (and in other modern media) can often be depicted as (inaccurately) way too strict; the very short dress of Anne in episode 1 is accurate for her since she outgrew it due to poverty and negligence. Throughout most of the series Anne wears her hair in two simple braids, very fitting for a child growing up in the no-nonsense, hardworking household of the Cuthberts, and while transitioning into adulthood her hairstyle changes and matures; she only wears her hair loose and in ‘modern’ waves only once or twice I think? The beauty of Marilla's plain and sober fabrics and fittings, the extravagant puffed sleeves on Matthew's dress for Anne, the dreamy embroidery which increases throughout the series and I imagine fits perfectly in Anne's imagination and wildest dreams, the purity and richness of Diana's wardrobe and her mother's shirtwaists which so clearly signify her higher class, the richer fabric of the blue dress Marilla made which show her love and support of Anne’s love for beauty and her transition into womanhood -- this all adds to the immersion. All of which imo goes to show that I think the costuming in Anne with an E comes very close to your description of good costuming! It brings something new and fresh to the table without being generic in many ways, it reflects the world and characters well, while also playing with the historical era the show is set in, the costumes really dig in the historical nuances while using creative liberties, it mostly doesn't try to appeal to modern eyes, and the costumes fit well (relative to the circumstances).
The photo edit of Mrs Maisel's dress is brilliant - it really makes it clear what you are saying. Just that tweak suddenly makes it look more era-authentic.
I was JUST looking for a video about the costuming of Anne with an E a few days ago!
Im sorry im just infatuated with your lipstick-blouse combo. Love it. Also love the commentary
Speaking of Versailles, if you look at portraits of Philippe d'Orléans, you realize the show did him really dirty. Dude LURVED his lace, his ostrich feathers and his ribbons.
But like, speaking as someone who knows a fair amount about Louis XIV and his court... you can kind of tell the costume department was on a budget and that they were really doing their best, but compare them to productions like L'Allée du roi, and you see the difference.
What threw me off watching Versailles were the flat, lifeless lacefront wigs on some of the men.
Give us voluminous, floofy curls! Give us some super obvious, mountainous, "full bottom" wigs with those pointy, curly peaks that look like the alert ears of a dog (further into the series). 😅
I mean, if something is set when people wore wigs, it's ok for a wig to look like a wig. 🤷😅
I will defend Anne till the day I die
And I mean.... Especially Anne's dresses were all made by Marilla expect two (or three I guess), it makes sense that they "look like something I could make"
Yay Karolina. I couldn’t agree more. Why do the costume designers not get that the correct foundation garments lay the groundwork for the proper historical silhouette? I remember my glamorous aunt with her circle stitched bras and my grandmother’s girdles that could shape an elephant. Even wearing a slip ( which no lady would be caught dead without) can change the way ‘50’s and early ‘60’s fabrics drape. Rant over. Love you.
YES!!! Foundation garments are called that for a reason!! You can't just skip them!!
Yes! my husband has just started watching peaky blinders while I'm sitting next to him reading and last night I looked up and saw the blond girl and I was like Ugh isn't this show supposed to be set in 1920 what the f*** is wrong with her hair xD
The Milka advertisement after your video is perfectly on point.
Gigi, Ever After, Titanic, and the original Anne of Green Gables miniseries are the movies that inspired my interest in historical clothing. It's been fun over the years learning what they did and didn't get right, and what was a deliberate choice versus an error or lack of research.
Going back and watching them as an adult, some of the inaccuracies suck me out of the story a little (like the gowns in Gigi, which get so close in some of their decorative elements, but have entirely 1950s silhouettes).
Ultimately, at least for me, s movie or show with a great script, cinematography, lighting, music, and inspired performances, can usually rise above little imperfections in costuming.
Are we the same person? Lol. I haven’t seen Gigi but those other three are the exact things that sparked my interest as well.
since I was a kid I’ve wanted Rose’s whole wardrobe, and despite the inaccuracies of the face glitter, Danielle’s “Wings” dress has stayed with me since I first saw the movie when I was five. To this day I think it’s the prettiest gown I’ve ever laid eyes on.
@@annahill99 I *immediately* wanted the masquerade dress for my own wedding one day (didn't happen for the first wedding, won't happen for the second one; le sigh).
Gigi is a movie musical version of a play based on a novella by Collette, starring Leslie Caron, Louis Jourdan, and Maurice Chevalier (whose performance was the direct inspiration for Jerry Orbach's character of Lumiere in the original animated Beauty and the Beast). Story-wise, it's abominable. It is 1900, and Gigi is a 15-going-on-16 year old girl whose family have traditionally been mistresses to men of wealth and good taste, including Kings and Maharajahs. Her grandmother's sister, one of the most famous courtesans of all time, is training her to follow in her own footsteps, hoping she will become the mistress of their family friend, the handsome, wealthy, bored Gaston, who has watched Gigi grow up.
Karolina, I am curious to know your opinion on the 1980s Anne of Green Gables movies (with Megan Follows) in terms of costume accuracy.
I really enjoy these take downs of fashion faux pas in films and television series. There is a book I heard of that I'm looking for about how Hollywood deals with and ruins hairstyles in films. (Do you know this book Karolina?) But it's true hair is one of the hardest things to do right, because each age has its own hairstyle prejudices. When movies were made of the late 1950s and early 1960s men and boys in America often had crew cuts. Instead many nostalgic films from the 80s went with a stylized greasy look. What actor then wanted to get a crew cut for a film? You see more now, but even then they usually aren't crew cuts they are just shaved heads, because that's our thing.
In America the long haired look for young women, which in different ways has persisted ever since, came from the Folk Revival movement in music. Joan Baez had very long flowing hair, and she inspired teens and college students to grow their hair long. But only a certain kind of girl. (Curly haired girls had to iron their hair to get it straight.) As late as 1969 in my high school in the San Francisco Bay Area (I.E. Hippie Central) our high school yearbooks (Do they even do this in Europe?) still show many girls with the shorter dos. It would only be in the 1970s that most girls went with longer hair, but even then it was often cut like in layers.
My area of specialty is music. So I am keenly aware of period pieces and music. And I get peeved like you do when the wrong music is used. Or worse the same music is used over and over. I also write so recreating a period is crucial for me, which is part of the reason I watch your channel. But most of it is just for your wit. (Or maybe it's the Polish connection?)
On The Marvelous Mrs. Maisle: The show is set during the late 50s/early 60s, with season 1 being set in 1958 and current season 4 set in1961. So when the silhouette has started to blend into the 60s lower waist and the hair has gotten longer. it's not like New Year 1960 happend and suddently everyone started wearing a completly new style. And the costumes do morph from season to season from 50s to 60s styles and Midges' hair gets longer.
The green dress you showed is from season 3, set in 1960 specifically.
It's not an excuse for the bullet braless-ness though, as they were still used.
I just finished season 1 and I thought the silhouettes were on point for the late 50’s. Mrs. Maisel’s costumes were definitely high waisted and she had the bullet bra look going on. One scene of Joel taking off her bra shows the whole garment and it’s definitely bullet bra style. There were quite a few looks in season 1 that I absolutely adored and thought really complemented the actress’s body shape. I would assume that as the years progress each season that the costumes would as well.
@@theardentarcher I think they handelted it very nicely, you can see the shift in clothing styles and hair through the seasons. Especially with season 4 set in 1961, you can really see a shift in style in comparison to season 1 .
And I remember the bullet bra as an undergarment shown, but a very tame version in comparison to actual pictures of the time, which I personally think was a good decision, the really big bullet bras were a bit extreme, Kim Possible extreme.
And absolulty agree that the dresses fit Rachel Brosnahan really nicely, if you look at templates from the late 50s the waist isn't that high anymore, it worked it's way down during the 50s and into the 60s. S
@@TemariNaraannaschatz Do you think that all the women wore those extreme bullet bra? I ask that because only 30% of the women around me are wearing what´s supposed to be 2022 fashion (makeup and clothes) (but I´m in Europe, that can be different in the States). Maybe not all the women in the 50-60´s liked the silouete (and for Midge small frame and personality it doesn´t fit very well)
@@vilwarin5635 No I don't think that every woman wore extreme bullet bras. My observation is just that Midges version is very tame and she is an otherwise extremly well dressed up to current fashion character.
And the other women in the show don't wear very bullety-bras either. Which is fine as a budget and design choice, but it is a point when it comes to this typical fashion that isn't as on "point" as the rest of the costuming.
Not everyone wore bullet bras in the 50s even, let alone the 60s
I feel this whenever I watch something set in the 80's and the hair styles are so inaccurate. It's almost as if the big voluminous style of women's hair back the is a lost art form, like, do they just not know how to do it anymore?!?
Laughing 'cause I know my sisters each had a hole in the ozone layer named for them - a can of Aquanet barely lasted a weekend in the '80s!
I would love to hear what you think about the cotumes in the Hercule Poirot TV show with David Suchet as Poirot. I know it's very long and the costumes are a hit or miss but I really think they actually really tried. Especially Miss Lemon has some really nice fashion moments and they actually put in effort with the 30s hair on Emily Blunt for the 2004 version of Death on the Nile.
I get it, but the extreme level of fastidiousness of the Poirot character (any iteration) down to the mustache twisted into points is a turn off. I watched Vienna Blood and it was good but the lead had a facial tic and, believe it or not, that sort of thing is contagious.
Seeing you uploaded a new video is the nicest serotonin boost I could ask for today :)
YES thank you 👏🏻
Also absolutely love the pastel look 💜
At this point, as long as the costumes look plausible for the era they're supposed to be in, and they don't put corsets against their skin, it counts as a pass for me. Unless it's meant to be a historical reenactment, it's not about historical accuracy but the story.
Like, Reign, it was so inaccurate that it just took me out of it. They're wearing prom dresses and not even knee length nighties.
Bridgestone, while wearing the wrong corsets, they at least have the right type of style. It's not perfect, but I still think regency when I see the dress.
I really find it all the more exciting when costumes, setting, historical plot details, etc, are very accurate. But it’s definitely not necessary for “good” costumes, as Karolina says, with all the other things that go into good costuming at the top of the video. I don’t get why people always complain about Reign, though. It was clearly meant to look like “historical-ish fantasy”. It was marketed from the get go as a Gossip Girl or Pretty Little Liars -type show, just based on European history, and meant to appeal to contemporary teens. The costumes seem to be trying to inspire creative fashion (and the costumes in GG and PLL are similarly unrealistic and inaccurate for the settings, but they both really set some fashion trends for teens/college age kids). I think that Reign was trying to make history-bounding happen, before the term existed. That’s the vibe I got from interviews when the series first started. I do prefer that clearly intentionally-modern fluff to a work that is trying to look old-timey or historical but totally misses the mark, falls into common tropes, etc!
At this point I'm like "just give me *anything* but the generic "old timey dress" which is a mix of 3-5 different eras". It's about a decade off but the quality is nice and the silhouette is recognizable? Great.
Undergarments are roughly the correct shape and with some layers, not a 21 century sexy corset on bare skin? BRILLIANT.
It's fine as long as it evokes at least something of the intended era. Modernised costumes can be really fun when done right. Just no more prom dresses, please.
i would love if you talked about the Call the Midwife show, it's a BBC show set in the east end of London in the 1950s/60s and i think they do some interesting stuff regarding clothes
I'm a huge Anne of Green Gables fan, it's a family thing and I HIGHLY relate to Anne. Although I much preferred the character studies from Anne With an E (depiction of trauma, divergent thinking, queerness and relationships), I am also very aware that so many things were approach in a very contemporary way and I was annoyed by costuming at times too. Anne With an E is a show that makes me feel seen as a person, but I'd rather look at this whole universe with a wider pov, cause it's not the original work from Lucy Maud Montgomery, it's just a piece of it that also has its flaws!
TL;DR: No hard feelings, you're very right about the costuming and fans of works of media should be able to reflect critically in their fave without getting offended 🙃
I'm obsessed with your vibes in this video. Your whole look is PERFECT.
I love learning about historical fashion from you! What is accurate and what is not. Love the photo compairsons from the shows and the time.💘
Hiii gurl this color on you im in love the eyeshadow too
I’d be so interested in seeing what you think of the costumes in Our Flag Means Death, they’re not trying to make them accurate, but they’re really fun
i love this type of video, i really enjoy hearing people nitpick about something theyre passionate about especially since you still also appreciate the good parts of things and the practical obstacles they might have:)
Your look is FABULOUS here!!!!!! I love it so much
Each season of Peaky Blinders skips 5 - 6 years...I think Polly's menswear look was actually on par for that particular season. Overall, I do have to agree with the female costuming seeming off.
These shows are going for "a vibe" rather than accuracy but I also can't stop nitpicking everything I see that's historically inaccurate... why does it have to be so irritating knowing things? I'm more a language/politics person so costuming hasn't bothered me as much... until now lol. I'll only watch sci-fi from now on, I guess
Love your honest commentary and expertise! These shows should get you to consult on the costumes. Beautiful 😍
Omg, you’re so correct about Mrs Maisel! I never could put my finger on why those costumes looked a little wrong!
I never watched Mad Men, but I remember reading that the women wore bullet bras. But maybe that wasn't all the time.
Also, I think Mrs. Maisel's hair was shorter in season 2 of the show.
I've recently started diving into first half of 20th century fashion and honestly I love this video. I lowkey want to see Karolina's opinion on period styles of big franchises, like, the period shows/episodes of Marvel (so think, Agent Carter, Wandavision, Agents of SHIELD S7), or even Fantastic Beasts
Agent Carter inspired me to dress vintage daily. I adore that character and show ❤
@@ellaisplotting actually same! I recently rewatched the show and am getting into historical dress because of it :)
Oooh yeah the AoS one especially. They had to jump through so many time periods and I always wonder how they did
Mina Le actually made a great video about Wandavision! ua-cam.com/video/0Ie_0CQAQ6A/v-deo.html
Okay I love this!! As someone who was obsessed with Mad Men and the styles I want to know exactly how they could be more accurate! Your historical knowledge and attention to detail I'd what we're here for. Would love more of this!
i love you for talking about fabric weight, gosh dang!
Is there every a possibility for you to make a video on the costuming in "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries"'? What really fascinates me about that series is, that it's an Australian show. You rarely get to see shows that play in older decades that aren't produced in Europe.
Yaaaaaaaas thank you for this The female styles in Peaky have always driven me bonkers. Shame because the costume designer did such a good job of creating a deliberately stylized world for the men's clothing but never seemed to decide on the females.
There was so much thought, research and effort put in the men's hairstyles!
... And so little into the women's :(
I've never been this early! Always up for a good period drama costume review!