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@@scottsingleton2951 Yep, try it sometime, wait for a humid day where the dewpoint is around 70 and put a little bit of gasoline in a glass bowl like I have here. You'll notice that it absorbs the moisture in the air.
I used BG44k 2 years ago. Just bought a 2015 Mazda5, 145,000 miles. ($1500) I did not have a check engine light on. Couple of months later I got Check Engine light. Used another bottle. After another month or so Light went off and its been a year. I'm glad I didn't have to have the ports cleaned out by hand.
Next time include the high PEA (polyetheramines) additives like; Red Line SI-1, Chevron Techron, LiquiMoly Jectron, Amsoil PI, and even Gumout Regane. The BG44K is the only one above that could even come close to these high PEA injector cleaners!! 😉
I was a dealership technician for over 20 years and we used BGs products with great success. We would run it directly through the fuel rail while disabling the vehicle fuel pump and it worked great on high mileage vehicles with injector issues.
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved.
Here’s my experience: snap on fluid ran through the fuel rail-using motor vac machine is superior compared to BG. I didn’t notice any difference when the shop id been going to switched to bg product without me knowing. Still charged the same though. So I went back and complained about not noticing any improvement. My case was more extreme then simply high mileage though. 2 leaking injectors on s10. With the snap on fluid truck ran much better for about 600 miles. Finally had it fixed when buddy got back to town.
People don't make the mistake that I did on my 99 mustang gt. I put a fuel cleaner in my tank and did not replace my fuel filter first so the cleaner loosened up all the crud that was accumulated inside of my filter and the loosened crud accumulated inside of my injectors and stopped them up, so if you introduce a fuel cleaner into your tank then I would advise you to have a relatively new fuel filter first. Experience is a wonderful and sometimes costly teacher.
Good advice! I think that is what happened with my 2006 Porsche. I got a miss-fire code. I diluted the fuel, cleared the code and gave it an Italian tune up. Luckily that solved the problem.
Fuel additives are meant to get hot, this test is OK but definitely not scientific. You need to run these in the same engine for atleast 1 hour. ProjectFram already did this and the results were crazy.
Marvel mystery oil has some cleaning qualities that manifest when it is combusted in the cylinder however, it's main purpose is to provide top cylinder lubrication and lubrication within the moving parts of the fuel system... fuel pump, injectors, etc. I would use BG 44K to clean / strip out the fuel system, then follow up with MMO to lubricate everything. MMO also conditions the rubber parts and seals keeping them from drying out from harsh additives like ethanol in the gas and strong solvent like cleaners such as BG 44K, seafoam etc...AWESOME VIDEO! 👍👍
@Peter Angles What opinions? I stated facts not opinions. Not all fuels in all areas are clean all of the time. All it takes is one bad batch of gas and that will leave contaminates in the fuel system. Using products like Marvel mystery oil and BG 44K ensures that the fuel system will operate at peak efficiency throughout its service life. Just because a "modern" fuel system can withstand harsh fuels and is reliable to a high mileage doesn't mean keeping it clean is unecessary or unimportant. These products provide extra insurance for reliability and longevity. Like the old saying goes " If you take care of your car, it will take care of you."
@Peter Angles good engine and components yes, my particular GMC 350 cu in with two 16 gallon tanks needed a condensation liquifier like Lucas Ethanol stabilizer. Could b a State by State issue since 2012.
I am an additive nut. Take my money, just the way I am. I have tried all of these except the Enzymes. In my humble experience, BG44K, Royal Purple Max Clean / Max Atomizer, and Redline SL-1 are topshelf products with monstrous levels of PEA. Older and traditional products like Seafoam and MMO are also excellent. With all of them, I have found that time and frequency is your friend. The more often/longer you run these at the recommended dosages, the better. While some may choke at the price to do this, it is what it is.
@@PlayinWithMahWii project farm did a test with techron and imo it performed better than seafoam and MMO. Look for the video. His test was also better than this one because he actually mixed the additives in the fuel and ran it in a lawnmower motor.
I absolutely love project farm! His tests are very meticulously thought and carried out. I just wonder about if there more factors to consider for these newer modern engines compared to the rudimentary lawnmower engines 🤷🏻♂️?
Thats good experience you got. I want to try royal purple max atomizer in my 2006 skoda Octavia 1.9 tdi diesel. What you think mate. I have used Lucas upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner.
Thanks for evaluating the BG44K! I've been using it every 10,000 miles in my vehicles and since 1994. When I had purchased my 1994 Mazda Protege I was introduced to it by Pat Goss (from the Car Show), when he conducted a seminar at my Mazda dealership, with a cross section cut of a 1.8L engine, and taught me also how to do a proper intake manifold cleaning. I immediately saw a 10% increase in power from a dead stop, and 2.5mpg fuel increase (after following BG's procedures). You're right, BG chemicals are the bomb! Just don't forget to wear gloves, and have a CLEAN shop rag handy in case you spill any on the paint, because it can eat right through your clearcoat in less than 30 seconds. This was developed specifically for race car and high end vehicles originally that rev at very high rpms, so you can be confident it will work on any gasoline engine (can't speak to 2 strokers). No, I don't have any connection to BG, but I know what works. Btw, I average driving my vehicles 250,000 miles, and with very little loss of performance or mileage, and with combustion chambers that look like they just rolled off of the assembly line. Nuff said!
Hi Jim, Glad you liked the video, the BG44K is some good stuff. I liked watching Pat Goss also, too bad he passed away. Thanks for sharing and your feedback!
BG 44k is a very good product. My mechanic suggests using a can of it in the gas every time he changes the oil, which adds about $20 to the bill. It's expensive, but worth it in my opinion. In 2016, the same mechanic replaced the fuel pump in my 2002 Chevy truck. At that time, he suggested using some Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas. He said that the MMO would lubricate the new fuel pump, and it should last longer. Ever since 2016, I have been using MMO in the gas of my truck, car, and lawn mower every time I fill up with great results. I use the recommended 4 ounces of MMO for every 10 gallons of gas. Both vehicles are running better than ever, and my car now gets at least an extra 1.5 to 2 more miles per gallon on the highway. With Walmart now selling the quart (32oz) size of MMO for $3.98, (it had been $3.88 at Walmart for many years) I am actually saving money using MMO, as I am using less gas.
That sounds pretty good! Hey if it works keep doing it, It sounds like a good plan, and on an older vehicle like mine, it may be a very good plan. Thanks for sharing.👍🙌
@Peter Angles I use MMO in the gas and in the crankcase as an added lubricant and it keeps the sludge from forming. The point of putting it in gas tank isn't for more BTU or power/energy, it's there to supplement in lubricating the injectors and the upper rings/cylinder. Every 25k miles, I use the BK products to clean injectors and the oil control rings. The BG is the best. I've run it in my lawn equipment and after a season of use, I pulled the pistons and they look new, not all crusted up with carbon and sludge. I believe in BG ;-)
@ James Plotkin-- Thanks for your comment, and I agree with you 100%. I was going to respond to Peter Angles comment, but you said exactly what I was going say. I also have been adding a can of BG44K to the gas of my vehicles at least once a year. For more than five years, I have been using MMO in the gas at every fill up at the recommended amount. I use some MMO in the crankcase to keep sludge from forming.
The BG44 is incredible. My Porsche mechanic added it to my old air-cooled 993 with 1/2 tank of gas and it ran incredible afterwards. My local GM dealer also swears by the stuff.
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved.
Marvel's Mystery Oil is good for cleaning crankcases and lifters it works as a fuel additive and upper cylinder lubricant carbon deposit remover but it is by no means a fuel injection type cleaner I love Marvel's Mystery Oil I've been using it for decades it works and it's cheap
Thanks for the test, one thing I might add ... been hauling Mobil gas for 24yrs now, since merging with Exxon in 2001, Exxon cut Mobil's gas additives in half, it barely meets the minimum for auto makers requirements. Their premium has twice the additives per gallon, which might have worked better in this test. You used to be able to "Drive your car clean" when Mobil was Mobil with twice the additives in the regular. All Exxon cares about is profits, in my opinion.
I'm known among my friends as being very cheap so when I was told to try BG44K about 35 years ago to clear up a hard "miss" that was an injector related issue on my 1987 Plymouth Sundance, 2.2 turbo I thought there is NO way I'm going to pay $20 for someones slick marketing. I tried the $3 per bottle, STP injector cleaner, nothing. I was almost ready to take it to the dealership and pay about $400 to have the injector replaced. I went and spent the $20 and by the end of the next tank of gas the miss was GONE! I now use BG44K about every 2 years (I'm still cheap) in all my vehicles and have NEVER had a fuel related problem since!
For ther money MMO is by far the best performer!!! I am a fan of gradual cleaning not knocking of huge particles of carbon that may score the piston walls!
I've used bg products in all types of vehicles including turbos and it doesn't harm turbos..it dissolves Carbon not break chunks off...to bad u don't understand how these products work
@@jasongrisdale3084 too bad I do… use of these products in the Ford Ecoboost engine will void your warranty because they can break off chunks of carbon with can destroy the turbos. Heck, in this video he shows small chunks not fully dissolved.
@@Treyk901 and of course you r falling for the biggest dealer trick in the book....that's how they get u to only use the dealer for service...use anything else and it voids your warrenty...the bg was completely dissolved....if u have a turbo p.o.s car then keep doing what ur doing...use it regularly and u will never have carbon build up in the first place
The MMO is just about the same as the BG44 after you run your car it works well with heat no need to waste all that money on it plus it has many uses besides cleaning injectors and spark plugs such as clearing out sludge and unseizing engines. I always swear by MMO as my go to for everything.
BG and MMO are the best from my experience. I actually lean more towards MMO because of the long term effect. It’s proven to be better for continued addition at busting up carbon build up for me. I finally rebuilt my Harley motor last year as it needed a revamp like they all do around that mile mark. I’ve ran marvel in the fuel once a month and in every oil change since I got it. When I say the inside motor looked like it had 5k miles on it.. I’m serious. Mind you, the motor had 63k on it at the time of the rebuild. I was VERY impressed.
@ sue ellen mcgoey-- When using Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas, the recommended amount is 4 ounces of MMO for every 10 gallons of gas. When using MMO in the oil, you can replace up to 20% of the oil with MMO. For example, if your crankcase holds 5 quarts of oil, you can replace one quart of oil with one quart of MMO. When adding MMO to the oil, be sure not to over fill the crankcase with it.
I can honestly tell you that none of these products do the job nearly as well as Amsoil's P.I. 'Performance Enhancer'. I had a 2004 Monte Carlo that I religiously added P.I. to the fuel tank twice per year. This was in 2010 and it had just under 100,000 miles on the odometer. My wife took that vehicle in for some service, I believe it was something about a belt and fuel filter. They attempted to scare her into paying for a fuel injection system cleaning. She called me, and I drove to that dealership and instructed the tech to push a scope into the intake to observe it's current condition. He took a close look and removed his scope and told the service manager that he had never seen a system so clean with that many miles on it before. I told them to give her the car and she headed home. I then told the service manager to take a hike.
Like others hase commented below. We used BG 44k at the Ford dealer that I worked at. It is a great product. Marvel works good for older engines with trash in the lifters, and fuel system lube.
I would like to have seen Techron by Chevron in the black bottle included. In my 45 years as a Master tech I have seen incredible results. Techron is the only cleaner that is recommended by some manufactures. At one dealership we did use the BG products and they worked very well.
The cloudy puddle in the middle is water, that is what the Ethanol sucks in from the atmosphere in 1 night. Notice nothing stops it from doing that! ie Fuel Stabilizers are a waste of money.
For about 1/3 the price I wouldn't mind running the Star Brite Star Tron Enzyme once a month in my tank. From what I can see, it come in 2nd place with out a doubt and certainly cleaned almost as well as the BG44K.
Been working in shop using BG products for 15 years. Their fuel injector cleaner and K44 is totally worth the cost. I have done injector flushes with their cleaner that brought life back to engines. We always put a can of K44 in fuel tank after a flush. They also offer a fuel additive you can put in with every tank full. One of our customers has been using it for years and his vehicle has maintained its power and economy. He swears by the additive. As to the marvel mystery oil I use it myself in my engine oil. It has freed sticky lifters. Over the years I have seen it do some things I never would have thought it would.
Marvel mystery oil would work great in a rotary Mazda Rx motor because it's basically a two cycle engine and need a little help. BG has worked well on everything from lawnmowers, snowblowers and many other engines. The true comparison is when you do a before and after inspection of the cylinder with a small camera down the plug holes. Another note is not all of these products combust the same and some leave behind more than they help.
Some of them leave residue in the fuel tank and clog fuel filters and injectors. Basically doing the opposite of what they were purchased for. If used directly into the fuel rails they'll get full combustion.
@@porschetech72901 i realize this comment is two years old but running mixing 2 stroke oil into your fuel on a rotary is almost a necessity and extremly common. because of the amount of friction in the combustion chamber in a wankel rotary engine the two stroke oil greatly increases the service life of the side and apex seals.
I consider this rather a bogus test. As a professional mech and shop owner, we used bg products near exclusively. Next was techron. Near instant results and on a maintenance schedule, there was no further issues. I could take a failed calif smog test car, put 44k in it, go for a 20 mile ride and the car could then easily pass smog. Warning though, none of this stuff can fix a mechanical defect.
Chevron may have invented PEA/nitrogen, whatever they want to call it, but their actual additive is FAR from the best. BG took the technology and ran with it. Without a doubt the finest products out there. The Redline SL-1 also has massive levels of PEA in it.
@@goldenmanuever1176 and PEA is in top tier gasoline… I’ve only seen clogged injectors from people who use gasoline that isn’t top tier. I have a 16 Toyota Corolla, use top tier gasoline, never used any products and I still get the same MPG from when it left the dealership at 51K… Then again the Corolla is a PORT fuel injection type, not direct injection ;) Makes a world of a difference when it comes to preventing buildup
Best I have seen is berrymans b12 chem tool . But even better is Tulene it's a fule booster also a solvent used to thin paint for road and parking lot stripes so the paint sprays as it's thick like paste . Cleans really well but burns hot and produces benzene in the exhaust. Smells like bandaids or gauze on the exhaust. I run in motorcycles for octane booster.
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved. I have my Google Drive link if anyone wants to see.
Marvel Oil works. I can tell right away the increase horsepower I got after getting some bad gas from a station. I was looking for Seafoam, but I Marvel was cheap and it did the same as Seafoam.
@@WhipCityWrencher I manage a chain of European auto repair shops and we exclusively use BG products. They may be a little pricey, but worth every penny.
44K vs BG Injection & Combustion Chamber Cleaner or Fuel Injection System Cleaner. The later 2 are meant to be injected into the fuel rail and they claim to be more potent at cleaning.
I get what the point of your video is. My suggestion is to try to create experiments that more closely resemble the applicable use. For instance. you should find some dirty used fuel injectors from the junkyard and test their initial output of fuel, then mix the additive with the correct ratio of fuel per the instructions. Next, run the mix through the injectors until the mix is used up then test the flow after. The cleaner injector wins.
Bought a Rav4 that hadn't been maintained for 2+ years. Seafoam and BG are my go to cleaners. Lucas is my go to for treatments. Would've loved to see Seafoam in this test, it was a lifesaver engine cleaner.
I've been using bg 44k for 20 years as a technician. It has gotten me the best results. And using a non dismantle kit with BG fuel system cleaner has be my go to
I have been trying a few different types in my 1990 Corvette and I've noticed a big difference using royal purple. My Vette seems to like it , so I will stick with it.
My 2000 Tundra was idling very rough, very rough. My nephew who is a Toyota mechanic told me to use Chevron Textron injector cleaner. I used one bottle and my truck runs like it did when it was brand new. Amazing stuff.
I have been a BG dealer for years and there is no comparison on solvents imo. If you want a good job for your customer use BG kits and do it right! Try their headlight cleaning kit!
The BG 44K was definitely shown to clean up a dirty sparkplug in a dish of gasoline. But it may not mean much about how the product works inside a running engine. Throw in heat and pressure and consider long term effects on fuel injectors and O2 sensors. Does BG 44K do anything negative to the engine or catalytic converter? Who knows but it does clean a dirty sparkplug.
I’ve use water to the carbon motor and I’m not gonna explain it because if you’ve never done, it will destroy a motor there’s a certain way you have to do it people that’s never done it I will not explain it at all. It’s an old-school trick and it does work.
I've had great success using BG products personally. Using MOA in oil saved my engine from destroying itself from piston slap. MOA used in all vehicles left the internals super clean.
I ran Techron through mine and it fixed the flooded-like start after sitting for several day. I have some Berryman B12 coming tomorrow and will use it too just to be sure.
To clean carbon, (manually) like let's say spark plugs and combustion chambers coated because direct injection... Isn't that a bummer? The cheapest and most powerful solution I have is pure toluene, like BG44 you shouldn't leave that sitting in your fuel system more than a couple hours at most! Just to be on the safe side test new solvents, like pure toluene, on pieces of hose, filters & various plastic scraps, so you'll know what you're dealing with 😊
I just tryed Royal Purp OK will come back in one houran look and wow 🤩 it literally blew my check engine light bulb 💡 out after driving it on freeway for 40 miles and now drives like a dream I thought it was BS but it works better than Lucas FIC for me.
yeah, the BG 44 they use at the dealerships I used to work there when I did quick lube and then I moved into auto Detail and that’s what I used to get at the dealer and I used to use it in my tank really does good it’s worth the money. If you go to the dealer you have an injector cleaner done it’s worth the extra money, or you can buy it over the counter at the dealer and put it in yourself. Make sure you follow the instructions, so nothing happens.
I've used Startron for years and it's never let me down. It's even kept fuel good I had forgotten about in a smaller gas can for two years. Still even smelled fairly fresh. Startron also has a new "Carbon Eliminator" spray you spray into your intake or carb at idle. My boat was hesitating and almost dying if I punched it outta the hole. Couple rounds of the Carbon Eliminator and the hesitation is almost gone out of my mechanically original 1976 Apollo boat with the good ol carbureted Mercruiser 165 4.1L straight six. I've also noticed the fuel guage doesn't drop quite as fast. So, in short it does exactly what it says it does!! Startron is simply the best in my opinion. You also can't OD on it like you can other fuel stabilizers, like StaBil. Use too much of that stuff and it'll literally eat your fuel jets. I'm also a bit leary of something that's too good like the BG. What is it doing to rubber/plastic fuel LINES, the fill neck and jets or injectors? Ya....I'll stick with Startron. Great video though!!
A product like Startron is made to stabilize your fuel and help with ethanol problems. It shrinks the water molecules down to make them more combustible. A product like the 44K is made to clean your fuel system. Both have their place depending on what you're after. In the outboard motor world Startron is a life saver. Not so much for vehicles unless it's going to be sitting with the same fuel for months and months.
StarTron is good for cars as well whether it’s a daily driver or a car that is stored for a while. It makes the engine run so much better and improves the fuel mileage so much that it actually pays to use it.
BG products are the bees knees man. The carbon blast when used in the carbon blast canister really cleans the whole intake out to and then you take the vehicle for a drive and watch all the smoke roll out like a freight train😂. Shtt it awesome💪😎
The BG 44k is good ! MMO is good if used continuously and a good upper cyl lubricant ! lucas is good also ! if used continuously ! every fill up ! Nice video !
In the UK the Lucas company brand unipart , sold its injector cleaner , it was 99.5% white spirit , same as decorators use to thin down oil based paint and clean brushes . By far the cheapest solution!
The reason they fogged up is probably the gas had alcohol on a humid day. Try that with straight gas with alcohol on a humid day and they it fog up also. Pulling moisture out of the air
The cloudiness in the bottom of the bowls appears to be water that has been absorbed by the alcohol in the fuel. This shows that none of them do anything about keeping the fuel dry.
@@juanc.9735 The additive that drys the fuel is alcohol. It lets the water mix with the fuel. The problem with that is it can cause rust and corrosion to form in the fuel system. It;s better to separate the water from the fuel and drain it out of the system.
BG diesel cleaner is the bomb , saw an old ford escort failing an emissions test , with only one gallon in the tank we added BG to the tank live on the emissions tester , it went to pass in under 3 minutes , no bullshit , 100% true , FORTE products are also very very good .
I've tried too many fuel system cleaners. For Direct Injection motors The only 2 I've found that actually work is the Liqui Molly DIjectron and the Fuel Injector Pro 104. Just a heads up for anyone else with a DI motor. The old school cleaners like Seafoam and Lucas won't really do anything for you.
Thanks for putting this test for us. The Saturn dealership used it 1992 on my new SC2 for "fuel cleaner service" . It was $15 way back then, and it worked very well. I have used it in all my used Toyotas two Camrys and two Corollas, 1998 and 2005 Corollas and 1996 and 2009 Camrys. And my 2012 Honda Civic. A really great product that is worth the price.
I swear by Max Clean Royal Purple. More expensive, but better gas mileage. I also periodically clean my throttle body. My friend was a petroleum engineer for Chevron and told me that Techron wasn't as good as advertised.
@@EmoKidsRule100 You do know why your oil turns black right? Every vehicle has a little "blow by". This is also why when you run your car even for 100 miles after a oil change, they recommend changing the oil in 5k miles OR 1 year, which every comes first, because the burnt fuel creates acids that start breaking down the viscosity of the oil even if it has less than 5k miles. Depending on the type of oil and additives, usually a year after burnt fuel is introduced into oil, it needs to be replaced. This is why people also seasonally change their lawn mower, ATV, tractor, etc, oil. So what he was insinuating with his comment was that a portion of that nasty stuff being burnt off during the BG44K cleaning will end up in your oil, so best to do it right before an oil change so you don't drive around for another 4k miles with a bunch a nasty stuff that is going to likely break down your oil at a higher rate.
I was a oil changer at a shop and sometimes we would do the Gumout fuel injector cleaning service that as it's added while the engine is running it cleans the tops of the pistons..combustion chambers and intake and exhaust valves and it was a $65 dollar service back in 2002-03...I see and have had Walmart techs do the same thing for only $20 on 3 of my vehicles..no tax on the $20 bill..it works great and use whatever fuel additive as a maintainer between cleanings.
Whip, due to this video I reached out to BG Products Canada and set up an account. Their rep was just here and I purchased a bunch of their products. Thanks for the great videos, keeo up the good work! (Ran a can of 44K through the F150 and its running like a top). MOA additive might be going in next!
44k definitely works..... that's just half of what it'll do. Cleans valve excellent as well but there's also a second step to keep things clean and it's a kit that hooks up to the fuel system and cleans intake and exhaust as well.... yeah it's expensive but for what it does it's worth it.
I had really good luck with BG44K cleaners and ATS 505. Including the ATS oil treatment. especially on old farm equipment that has been sitting for along while. Both are costly for cleaners, buy much cheaper than mechanical work. I carry the ATS and have been known to add it to the gas tank as part of the services.
Did the ATS 505 fuel cleaner provide a noticeable difference? I'm interested in purchasing, just not sure if the benefit is worth the price. Thanks for your insight.
I have a '03 Jeep Wrangler (Rubicon) that I ordered from the factory and I am the only driver; it has the 4.0 engine; it as been well maintained and never driven fast or hard. A few thousand miles later it developed a miss that the dealer could not identify and correct. I went to two other dealers with no success. Back to the first local dealer at about 10k miles and the service manager told me that there was a Technical Service Bulletin on this issue. Huh? Why in the blue blazes did he not tell me of this the first time I brought it in? Look at TSB 09-003-03 for 4.0 engines from 1999 to 2004, more or less. The exhaust valves get crud on the valve stems such that the valves are slow to close ever so slightly; I am surprised the exhaust valves do not burn from this. Now I use either Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) or Lucas Injector cleaner in the gas for several tanks which clears the problem/valve crud for about 3-5k miles. Both also stop the off-idle pinging when starting in first or second gear. I suspect some of these cleaners have to be warmed or hot to clean well. The engine uses very little to no oil so I suspect the deposits are from the gasoline and ethanol. Just my 2₵...
Thanks for your 1st hand experience with products such as these.👍 I like to put a bottle of fuel injector cleaner in my tank and about a pint of the MMO in my engine just before an oil change. I hope your engine lasts a long time.😊
Used the tall can of Royal purple in my 35 gallon gas tank in my pickup, drove it four and a half hours straight no noticeable difference. I filled up again with two tall bottles of seafoam Marine in an effort to delete the alcohol that California gas upon us in our gas. After another four and a half hour drive I had a noticeable difference in off the line acceleration in squealing the tires, I was surprised. 🏁🏎️
Enjoyed the video, but it's hard to say which would preform the best in the real world. If you wanted to soak some carbonized parts I think BK44k is the clear choice, but we have a limited duration, and heat effects all cleaners, if the BK44k is instantly burnt up in the combustion chamber it will do very little if nothing. The Mobil fuel, and Royal Purple both have PEA which didn't seem to do much in this test but is proven capable of withstanding the heat of combustion, cleaning some in the heat is probably better than cleaning nothing in the heat. I really don't mean to criticize as I've enjoyed the video, I found it interesting, but there is only so much we can take away from this. I do feel it would be fair to say the BK44k would probably clean the gas tank better, and a lot of people have vehicles with gummed up floats in their tank, so a more accurate gas gauge is a possible use case for the BK.
Thanks for your feedback. I feel the stronger cleaners would do a better job for your fuel system and combustion chamber. I'm thinking of trying them out on a small gasoline engine. Any ideas on how I could do a test with an engine and these cleaners would be greatly appreciated. Thank You!
When it comes to actually cleaning the fuel injector's internal pintle and the injector orifice, 44k is in a liquid state and it is flowing under pressure. The injector spray pattern can often be seen on the piston, in the case of a direct injection engine. Starting from cold, with a richer mixture, this is more apparent. I have been using borescopes for many years, and cannot resist the temptation to have a look. BG is not cheap, but it's an excellent product. I don't expect a customer to pay his hard earned money for something I have doubts about.
@@WhipCityWrencher loved your surprise, just as I have found. I use the BG intake valve cleaner regularly, after performing a similar experiment with a set of heavily carbon-deposited, and bent intake valves I replaced. I dropped the valves in various solvents, and had the same "aha!" moment when the BG beaker turned completely black in a very short time. The intake cleaner is intended to be inducted (atomized) into the intake of a running engine, but my humble experiment showed me what to use when chemically decarbonizing the intake ports and valves, once the manifold is removed for service.
For those who don't know, modern fuel has ethanol, which is hydroscopic. it sucks in water from the air. That is why the bowls got cloud pretty quick. After 24 hour they had absorbed. all the water they could, and that is what was in the bottom of all bowls .
Great test Pete! I use BG 44K Platinum, expensive but works! I've Been in the automotive business for 45 years and found this to be the best money can buy.
I do not know if there is a difference between them or not, but what I know is that it really works to calm the sound of the motor, reduce fuel consumption, and increase the power of the motor
Although BG is the obvious winner when soaking the plugs, I have to wonder what the results would have been in their natural environment. I believe the chemical make up of the products were designed to activate under high heat, since that's the only time they would ever actually come into contact with the product - under detonation in the piston chamber. Just a thought. It might make a difference, or not. I guess it would involve a lot of work because you'd have to get 5 cars that have about the same wear and tear (fleet cars maybe?). Anyway, I think I'd end up getting the BG based on this test. Good video.👍
Enjoyed the video. I been using startron for years in my boat. 2 stroke. My spark plugs quit fowling and my carburetor was spotless the 1st time pulled off an 83 Johnson in 20 years. I really like it. Thanks
Where I used to work Berryman and mmo were always on hand. Personally I use a cocktail of mmo and top it off with a little sea foam mostly sea foam for fuel stabilizer.
I just put the Royal Purple in my last gas up as it was recommended by Scotty Kilmer...it might be in my head but my 03 CRV with 304000 miles seems to be a little smoother and more throttle response...I might try the BG 44K in another 5 k miles...great video that thanks
I tried royal purple but I noticed nothing. I also tried redline and noticed nothing. I tried the 44k and noticed better take off and smoother idle. My car is 1999 firebird 3.8 and runs great at 160000
Star tron is a fuel stabilizer as well. Iv left gas sitting for 2 years in a generator after being treated with star Tron, never got a clogged carburetor or anything. Yank the cord and the motor fires right up
I agree the BG 44k is great stuff. My understanding BG44K and Techron or techroline? Are the same base chemical. So if you can’t locate the BG use techroline additive.
@@bowez9 CHEVRON Gasoline is listed as a "TOP TIER" fuel. "TOP TIER" fuels are supposed to be the best. Chevron gasolines have the "TECHRON" additive already in their fuel formula. Chevron gasoline gives me the best all-around combination of performance and economy.
The most scientific /unscientific comparison test ever done, and cheap too! A professional lab would have charge 10s of thousands of dollars to complete the testing. Only to say The test was not conclusive, we must perform another more detailed test. !! Well, done my friend !!
Thank you , great video i use BG 44k on my motorcycle fill the tank after 68.5 miles on 4.5 fuel tank , let me tell you after i took out the spark plugs i was impressed 👌 good job
If you are not using Star-Tron please give it a try. All my problems with my Small engine machines starting and Running after winter storage have disappeared. Good stuff 😊
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Wow, do you see all the water in that gasoline
@@scottsingleton2951 Yep, try it sometime, wait for a humid day where the dewpoint is around 70 and put a little bit of gasoline in a glass bowl like I have here. You'll notice that it absorbs the moisture in the air.
I used BG44k 2 years ago. Just bought a 2015 Mazda5, 145,000 miles. ($1500) I did not have a check engine light on. Couple of months later I got Check Engine light. Used another bottle. After another month or so Light went off and its been a year. I'm glad I didn't have to have the ports cleaned out by hand.
Thanks for Sharing👍
Next time include the high PEA (polyetheramines) additives like; Red Line SI-1, Chevron Techron, LiquiMoly Jectron, Amsoil PI, and even Gumout Regane.
The BG44K is the only one above that could even come close to these high PEA injector cleaners!! 😉
I was a dealership technician for over 20 years and we used BGs products with great success. We would run it directly through the fuel rail while disabling the vehicle fuel pump and it worked great on high mileage vehicles with injector issues.
Yep,
That's the best way to do it. Thanks for watching and sharing👍🙌
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved.
Here’s my experience: snap on fluid ran through the fuel rail-using motor vac machine is superior compared to BG. I didn’t notice any difference when the shop id been going to switched to bg product without me knowing. Still charged the same though. So I went back and complained about not noticing any improvement. My case was more extreme then simply high mileage though. 2 leaking injectors on s10. With the snap on fluid truck ran much better for about 600 miles. Finally had it fixed when buddy got back to town.
@@robertrose3068 nice so you have any forum post you made of your experience and pics ?
@@robertrose3068 ...does the debris removed that way find itself downstream to then plug the cat?....or not?.....
People don't make the mistake that I did on my 99 mustang gt. I put a fuel cleaner in my tank and did not replace my fuel filter first so the cleaner loosened up all the crud that was accumulated inside of my filter and the loosened crud accumulated inside of my injectors and stopped them up, so if you introduce a fuel cleaner into your tank then I would advise you to have a relatively new fuel filter first. Experience is a wonderful and sometimes costly teacher.
Most vehicles today have that damned Fuel Filter inside the gas tank. Unfortunately.
You’re better off using a gasoline with more additives to clean over a period of time.
Lol yeah or dont let your engine fill with shit.
I dont get it, the fuel filter is to prevent junk going into your fuel lines?
Good advice! I think that is what happened with my 2006 Porsche. I got a miss-fire code. I diluted the fuel, cleared the code and gave it an Italian tune up. Luckily that solved the problem.
Don't sell yourself short. That is absolutely a "scientific test" and you time and effort gave great results. Thanks for putting the work in.
Thank You, Daniel, I appreciate the kind word!
Thanks Again!👍😊
That was kind of you to say Daniel and I agree.
Fuel additives are meant to get hot, this test is OK but definitely not scientific. You need to run these in the same engine for atleast 1 hour. ProjectFram already did this and the results were crazy.
Marvel mystery oil has some cleaning qualities that manifest when it is combusted in the cylinder however, it's main purpose is to provide top cylinder lubrication and lubrication within the moving parts of the fuel system... fuel pump, injectors, etc. I would use BG 44K to clean / strip out the fuel system, then follow up with MMO to lubricate everything. MMO also conditions the rubber parts and seals keeping them from drying out from harsh additives like ethanol in the gas and strong solvent like cleaners such as BG 44K, seafoam etc...AWESOME VIDEO! 👍👍
Thank You!
I agree MMO is mostly a lubricant.
@Peter Angles What opinions? I stated facts not opinions. Not all fuels in all areas are clean all of the time. All it takes is one bad batch of gas and that will leave contaminates in the fuel system. Using products like Marvel mystery oil and BG 44K ensures that the fuel system will operate at peak efficiency throughout its service life. Just because a "modern" fuel system can withstand harsh fuels and is reliable to a high mileage doesn't mean keeping it clean is unecessary or unimportant. These products provide extra insurance for reliability and longevity. Like the old saying goes " If you take care of your car, it will take care of you."
My 95 pathfinder ate fuel like my 71 390 fe in my 250. Mmo really got her back into shape, getting 18 mpg now with her, and the power is back
@Peter Angles good engine and components yes, my particular GMC 350 cu in with two 16 gallon tanks needed a condensation liquifier like Lucas Ethanol stabilizer. Could b a State by State issue since 2012.
Agreed. Use both in that order and it works especially in direct injection engines.
I am an additive nut. Take my money, just the way I am. I have tried all of these except the Enzymes. In my humble experience, BG44K, Royal Purple Max Clean / Max Atomizer, and Redline SL-1 are topshelf products with monstrous levels of PEA. Older and traditional products like Seafoam and MMO are also excellent. With all of them, I have found that time and frequency is your friend. The more often/longer you run these at the recommended dosages, the better. While some may choke at the price to do this, it is what it is.
I’ve had great luck with redline
Any luck with Techron? I've heard positive things about it and it's dirt cheap
@@PlayinWithMahWii project farm did a test with techron and imo it performed better than seafoam and MMO. Look for the video. His test was also better than this one because he actually mixed the additives in the fuel and ran it in a lawnmower motor.
I absolutely love project farm! His tests are very meticulously thought and carried out. I just wonder about if there more factors to consider for these newer modern engines compared to the rudimentary lawnmower engines 🤷🏻♂️?
Thats good experience you got. I want to try royal purple max atomizer in my 2006 skoda Octavia 1.9 tdi diesel. What you think mate. I have used Lucas upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner.
Been using 44K for more than 30 years as an A.S.E certified mechanic. It absolutely works.
Thanks for sharing👍
We use them all the time at my shop great results
I used the bg44 k platinum excellent product for cleaning carbon deposits
Is it safe to use it on outboard 4-stroke marine motor?
@@DrMad-qe3pr absolutely
Thanks for evaluating the BG44K! I've been using it every 10,000 miles in my vehicles and since 1994. When I had purchased my 1994 Mazda Protege I was introduced to it by Pat Goss (from the Car Show), when he conducted a seminar at my Mazda dealership, with a cross section cut of a 1.8L engine, and taught me also how to do a proper intake manifold cleaning. I immediately saw a 10% increase in power from a dead stop, and 2.5mpg fuel increase (after following BG's procedures). You're right, BG chemicals are the bomb!
Just don't forget to wear gloves, and have a CLEAN shop rag handy in case you spill any on the paint, because it can eat right through your clearcoat in less than 30 seconds. This was developed specifically for race car and high end vehicles originally that rev at very high rpms, so you can be confident it will work on any gasoline engine (can't speak to 2 strokers).
No, I don't have any connection to BG, but I know what works. Btw, I average driving my vehicles 250,000 miles, and with very little loss of performance or mileage, and with combustion chambers that look like they just rolled off of the assembly line.
Nuff said!
Hi Jim,
Glad you liked the video, the BG44K is some good stuff. I liked watching Pat Goss also, too bad he passed away. Thanks for sharing and your feedback!
Is BG44 safe for diesel injectors
I use cheap gas no additives and have over 300k on 2 vehicles and 1 over 100k :)
Are we supposed to guess the vehicles?
ive been using 44k since i worked Sohio ProCare. havent found anything better in the last 30 years
BG 44k is a very good product. My mechanic suggests using a can of it in the gas every time he changes the oil, which adds about $20 to the bill. It's expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
In 2016, the same mechanic replaced the fuel pump in my 2002 Chevy truck. At that time, he suggested using some Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas. He said that the MMO would lubricate the new fuel pump, and it should last longer. Ever since 2016, I have been using MMO in the gas of my truck, car, and lawn mower every time I fill up with great results. I use the recommended 4 ounces of MMO for every 10 gallons of gas.
Both vehicles are running better than ever, and my car now gets at least an extra 1.5 to 2 more miles per gallon on the highway. With Walmart now selling the quart (32oz) size of MMO for $3.98, (it had been $3.88 at Walmart for many years) I am actually saving money using MMO, as I am using less gas.
That sounds pretty good! Hey if it works keep doing it, It sounds like a good plan, and on an older vehicle like mine, it may be a very good plan. Thanks for sharing.👍🙌
@Peter Angles I use MMO in the gas and in the crankcase as an added lubricant and it keeps the sludge from forming. The point of putting it in gas tank isn't for more BTU or power/energy, it's there to supplement in lubricating the injectors and the upper rings/cylinder. Every 25k miles, I use the BK products to clean injectors and the oil control rings. The BG is the best. I've run it in my lawn equipment and after a season of use, I pulled the pistons and they look new, not all crusted up with carbon and sludge. I believe in BG ;-)
@ James Plotkin-- Thanks for your comment, and I agree with you 100%. I was going to respond to Peter Angles comment, but you said exactly what I was going say.
I also have been adding a can of BG44K to the gas of my vehicles at least once a year. For more than five years, I have been using MMO in the gas at every fill up at the recommended amount. I use some MMO in the crankcase to keep sludge from forming.
@@franknew9001 Hi Frank. Great minds think alike ;-) Happy Holidays to you.
@ James Plotkin-- Happy Holidays to you, and I hope you have a very Happy New Year in 2022!! 😊😊
The BG44 is incredible. My Porsche mechanic added it to my old air-cooled 993 with 1/2 tank of gas and it ran incredible afterwards. My local GM dealer also swears by the stuff.
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It’s just PEA that really does the work
This product has been on the market for years.
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved.
@@robertrose3068 Awesome. Thank YOU very much!
One thing to note. The fuel cleaners with PEA (polyetheramine) would perform even better in a high temperature environment
I agree, these cleaners would probably do better at a higher temp.
Thanks for your feedback👍
You mean like the inside of an engine's temperature or Ambient temperature?
@@dfls5069 Internal engine temperatures
Marvel's Mystery Oil is good for cleaning crankcases and lifters it works as a fuel additive and upper cylinder lubricant carbon deposit remover but it is by no means a fuel injection type cleaner I love Marvel's Mystery Oil I've been using it for decades it works and it's cheap
But, it's a lube. Used regularly, it'll prevent clogged injectors
So you can't add this to your gas?
MMO is also an excellent gun oil!
I add it to every single tank of gas and to my engine oil 500 miles before I change the oil. I drive a 2015 Chevrolet sonic 1.8 l . It works great.
MMO is an excellent oil for use in pneumatic tools such as impact drivers, die grinders, etc...
Thanks for the test, one thing I might add ... been hauling Mobil gas for 24yrs now, since merging with Exxon in 2001, Exxon cut Mobil's gas additives in half, it barely meets the minimum for auto makers requirements. Their premium has twice the additives per gallon, which might have worked better in this test. You used to be able to "Drive your car clean" when Mobil was Mobil with twice the additives in the regular. All Exxon cares about is profits, in my opinion.
You're Welcome! and
Thanks for Sharing!
Exxon and Mobil are both rated as “Top Tier” gasoline. TT is a car manufacturers rating for gasoline detergency.
Yep they put just enough in it to light the spark plugs.
I'm known among my friends as being very cheap so when I was told to try BG44K about 35 years ago to clear up a hard "miss" that was an injector related issue on my 1987 Plymouth Sundance, 2.2 turbo I thought there is NO way I'm going to pay $20 for someones slick marketing. I tried the $3 per bottle, STP injector cleaner, nothing. I was almost ready to take it to the dealership and pay about $400 to have the injector replaced. I went and spent the $20 and by the end of the next tank of gas the miss was GONE! I now use BG44K about every 2 years (I'm still cheap) in all my vehicles and have NEVER had a fuel related problem since!
Hi Grant,
Thanks for Sharing👍👍
I have a Ford Ranger 4x4 with 220,000 miles. I always use Marvel Mystery Oil and it runs better. I put it in the oil and the gas tank
I have the same results with my Explorer.
Thanks for sharing👍
For ther money MMO is by far the best performer!!! I am a fan of gradual cleaning not knocking of huge particles of carbon that may score the piston walls!
Thanks for your feedback!👍
Especially true with turbo engines
I've used bg products in all types of vehicles including turbos and it doesn't harm turbos..it dissolves Carbon not break chunks off...to bad u don't understand how these products work
@@jasongrisdale3084 too bad I do… use of these products in the Ford Ecoboost engine will void your warranty because they can break off chunks of carbon with can destroy the turbos. Heck, in this video he shows small chunks not fully dissolved.
@@Treyk901 and of course you r falling for the biggest dealer trick in the book....that's how they get u to only use the dealer for service...use anything else and it voids your warrenty...the bg was completely dissolved....if u have a turbo p.o.s car then keep doing what ur doing...use it regularly and u will never have carbon build up in the first place
The MMO is just about the same as the BG44 after you run your car it works well with heat no need to waste all that money on it plus it has many uses besides cleaning injectors and spark plugs such as clearing out sludge and unseizing engines. I always swear by MMO as my go to for everything.
Thanks for your feedback!👍
BG and MMO are the best from my experience. I actually lean more towards MMO because of the long term effect. It’s proven to be better for continued addition at busting up carbon build up for me. I finally rebuilt my Harley motor last year as it needed a revamp like they all do around that mile mark. I’ve ran marvel in the fuel once a month and in every oil change since I got it. When I say the inside motor looked like it had 5k miles on it.. I’m serious. Mind you, the motor had 63k on it at the time of the rebuild. I was VERY impressed.
Thanks for sharing!👍
How much do you add to gas tank and oil tank? TIA
@@sueellenmcgoey8708 I forget the exact amount you use but the instructions are on the bottle.
@ sue ellen mcgoey-- When using Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas, the recommended amount is 4 ounces of MMO for every 10 gallons of gas.
When using MMO in the oil, you can replace up to 20% of the oil with MMO. For example, if your crankcase holds 5 quarts of oil, you can replace one quart of oil with one quart of MMO. When adding MMO to the oil, be sure not to over fill the crankcase with it.
@@franknew9001 I couldn’t have said it better.
I can honestly tell you that none of these products do the job nearly as well as Amsoil's P.I. 'Performance Enhancer'. I had a 2004 Monte Carlo that I religiously added P.I. to the fuel tank twice per year. This was in 2010 and it had just under 100,000 miles on the odometer. My wife took that vehicle in for some service, I believe it was something about a belt and fuel filter. They attempted to scare her into paying for a fuel injection system cleaning. She called me, and I drove to that dealership and instructed the tech to push a scope into the intake to observe it's current condition. He took a close look and removed his scope and told the service manager that he had never seen a system so clean with that many miles on it before. I told them to give her the car and she headed home. I then told the service manager to take a hike.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll try the Amsoil P.I. in my next test
That's not a scientific test. You just said you used one product and nothing proves that it works better than anything tested in this channel.
Another Amsoil shill pushing his version of reality.
Check out Project Farms tests on Amsoil products.
Peter sucker Angles: quit being a moron.
Like others hase commented below. We used BG 44k at the Ford dealer that I worked at. It is a great product. Marvel works good for older engines with trash in the lifters, and fuel system lube.
Hi, Randall,
Thanks for sharing!
@@WhipCityWrencher j
That BG stuff ain’t no joke it’s expensive but it does exactly what it says on the Bottle
Without a doubt some of the highest caliber cleaners out there. Not much can come close.
U right about that
Bg44 k platinum excellent product
I would like to have seen Techron by Chevron in the black bottle included. In my 45 years as a Master tech I have seen incredible results. Techron is the only cleaner that is recommended by some manufactures. At one dealership we did use the BG products and they worked very well.
I did try it out once but not the black bottle. Here is the video.
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@@WhipCityWrencher The Black is more concentrated I believe
@@gbcampbel Thanks, I didn't know.
The cloudy puddle in the middle is water, that is what the Ethanol sucks in from the atmosphere in 1 night. Notice nothing stops it from doing that! ie Fuel Stabilizers are a waste of money.
For about 1/3 the price I wouldn't mind running the Star Brite Star Tron Enzyme once a month in my tank.
From what I can see, it come in 2nd place with out a doubt and certainly cleaned almost as well as the BG44K.
Been working in shop using BG products for 15 years.
Their fuel injector cleaner and K44 is totally worth the cost.
I have done injector flushes with their cleaner that brought life back to engines. We always put a can of K44 in fuel tank after a flush.
They also offer a fuel additive you can put in with every tank full.
One of our customers has been using it for years and his vehicle has maintained its power and economy. He swears by the additive.
As to the marvel mystery oil I use it myself in my engine oil. It has freed sticky lifters. Over the years I have seen it do some things I never would have thought it would.
Thanks for the Feedback👍
Project Farm tested fuel system cleaners in running lawn mower engines. The Berryman cleaner did the best.
I remember watching that episode, the Berryman was the winner.
I think I'll put that up against the BG44K next time😊
Berryman stuff is legit. Also, Lucas fuel system injector cleaner or Supertech with PEA will work on diesel injectors.
Another excellent video!! 👍🇨🇦
This is definitely a case where you get what you pay for.
Marvel mystery oil would work great in a rotary Mazda Rx motor because it's basically a two cycle engine and need a little help. BG has worked well on everything from lawnmowers, snowblowers and many other engines. The true comparison is when you do a before and after inspection of the cylinder with a small camera down the plug holes. Another note is not all of these products combust the same and some leave behind more than they help.
I dont know what you mean that they leave more than they help? I think a fuel cleaner in ones tank every couple of months cant hurt.
Some of them leave residue in the fuel tank and clog fuel filters and injectors. Basically doing the opposite of what they were purchased for. If used directly into the fuel rails they'll get full combustion.
rotary is nothing at all like a 2 stroke nor any other piston engine really.....
@@porschetech72901 i realize this comment is two years old but running mixing 2 stroke oil into your fuel on a rotary is almost a necessity and extremly common. because of the amount of friction in the combustion chamber in a wankel rotary engine the two stroke oil greatly increases the service life of the side and apex seals.
I consider this rather a bogus test. As a professional mech and shop owner, we used bg products near exclusively. Next was techron. Near instant results and on a maintenance schedule, there was no further issues. I could take a failed calif smog test car, put 44k in it, go for a 20 mile ride and the car could then easily pass smog. Warning though, none of this stuff can fix a mechanical defect.
Chevron may have invented PEA/nitrogen, whatever they want to call it, but their actual additive is FAR from the best. BG took the technology and ran with it. Without a doubt the finest products out there. The Redline SL-1 also has massive levels of PEA in it.
@@goldenmanuever1176 and PEA is in top tier gasoline…
I’ve only seen clogged injectors from people who use gasoline that isn’t top tier.
I have a 16 Toyota Corolla, use top tier gasoline, never used any products and I still get the same MPG from when it left the dealership at 51K…
Then again the Corolla is a PORT fuel injection type, not direct injection ;) Makes a world of a difference when it comes to preventing buildup
@@christophervanzetta my 03 corolla needed new injectors last year bur after 19 years & 221k miles, can’t complain
I like all the BG products. Especially the 44k
Best I have seen is berrymans b12 chem tool . But even better is Tulene it's a fule booster also a solvent used to thin paint for road and parking lot stripes so the paint sprays as it's thick like paste . Cleans really well but burns hot and produces benzene in the exhaust. Smells like bandaids or gauze on the exhaust. I run in motorcycles for octane booster.
The starbright at Walmart for $5.94 seemed to do a pretty good job compared to the 27.80 for the 44k. I would have liked to see what seafoam did
I use MMO in everything, oil and gas with as few problems as my neighbor who uses seafoam the same way. I save $50 a year with MMO vs others as well.
I use nothing and save 100s a year. Got enough to overhaul an engine!
The ethanol fuel absorbed the moisture in the air that's why they are cloudy happens here in florida all the time
This is why I use the BG 3 step. I've done before/after pics of my pistons with an endoscope. It went from being so bad I could barely see where the pistons met the cylinder walls to so clean the tops of the pistons were shiny and I could see the #s stamped on them. I have all the pics saved.
I have my Google Drive link if anyone wants to see.
Cool,
Thanks for sharing!
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Hi I soooooo want to see please.
How do you use bg44. On half a tank and run tank until almost empty or do you fuel up
Marvel Oil works. I can tell right away the increase horsepower I got after getting some bad gas from a station. I was looking for Seafoam, but I Marvel was cheap and it did the same as Seafoam.
BG ATC is a miracle in a can. BG InForce is also the best penetrating oil I've ever used. BG products really are great.
Thanks for your feedback!
@@WhipCityWrencher I manage a chain of European auto repair shops and we exclusively use BG products. They may be a little pricey, but worth every penny.
@@BeardMan01 Thanks for sharing!
I would like to see it a little cheaper, but it sure did work good in this testing.
44K vs BG Injection & Combustion Chamber Cleaner or Fuel Injection System Cleaner. The later 2 are meant to be injected into the fuel rail and they claim to be more potent at cleaning.
Yes, I’ve done it at my dealership a few hundred times. Toyota uses a proprietary pressurized can.
I get what the point of your video is. My suggestion is to try to create experiments that more closely resemble the applicable use. For instance. you should find some dirty used fuel injectors from the junkyard and test their initial output of fuel, then mix the additive with the correct ratio of fuel per the instructions. Next, run the mix through the injectors until the mix is used up then test the flow after. The cleaner injector wins.
Great suggestion!👍
I use 44K, MOA. and EPR for my 2014 VW Passat with 155,736 miles, bought new runs fantastic, knock on wood!
Thanks for Sharing👍
Bought a Rav4 that hadn't been maintained for 2+ years.
Seafoam and BG are my go to cleaners.
Lucas is my go to for treatments.
Would've loved to see Seafoam in this test, it was a lifesaver engine cleaner.
Hi Brian,
Here's one of the first fuel cleaner videos I made with seafoam in it. ua-cam.com/video/KiWu9vthaEo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I've been using bg 44k for 20 years as a technician. It has gotten me the best results. And using a non dismantle kit with BG fuel system cleaner has be my go to
Thanks for Sharing👍
I have been trying a few different types in my 1990 Corvette and I've noticed a big difference using royal purple.
My Vette seems to like it , so I will stick with it.
Hi David,
Thanks for sharing!
My 2000 Tundra was idling very rough, very rough. My nephew who is a Toyota mechanic told me to use Chevron Textron injector cleaner. I used one bottle and my truck runs like it did when it was brand new. Amazing stuff.
Thanks for Sharing!👍
You get what you pay for. Been turning wrenches for 30+ years. BG products and Mobile 1 synthetic motor oil are best in their perspective fields.
You must have been a Ford mechanic recommending mobile one only Ford mechanics recommend that
I have been a BG dealer for years and there is no comparison on solvents imo. If you want a good job for your customer use BG kits and do it right! Try their headlight cleaning kit!
The BG 44K was definitely shown to clean up a dirty sparkplug in a dish of gasoline. But it may not mean much about how the product works inside a running engine. Throw in heat and pressure and consider long term effects on fuel injectors and O2 sensors. Does BG 44K do anything negative to the engine or catalytic converter? Who knows but it does clean a dirty sparkplug.
I’ve use water to the carbon motor and I’m not gonna explain it because if you’ve never done, it will destroy a motor there’s a certain way you have to do it people that’s never done it I will not explain it at all. It’s an old-school trick and it does work.
Yes, it does work, best to use a spray bottle sparingly though.
I've had great success using BG products personally. Using MOA in oil saved my engine from destroying itself from piston slap. MOA used in all vehicles left the internals super clean.
MOA ? Not sure what that is. Thanks for your feedback!
@@WhipCityWrencher BG Motor Oil Additive
@@davidg5704 Oh Okay, Thanks!
I ran Techron through mine and it fixed the flooded-like start after sitting for several day.
I have some Berryman B12 coming tomorrow and will use it too just to be sure.
B12 is some good stuff,
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To clean carbon, (manually) like let's say spark plugs and combustion chambers coated because direct injection... Isn't that a bummer?
The cheapest and most powerful solution I have is pure toluene, like BG44 you shouldn't leave that sitting in your fuel system more than a couple hours at most! Just to be on the safe side test new solvents, like pure toluene, on pieces of hose, filters & various plastic scraps, so you'll know what you're dealing with 😊
I just tryed Royal Purp OK will come back in one houran look and wow 🤩 it literally blew my check engine light bulb 💡 out after driving it on freeway for 40 miles and now drives like a dream I thought it was BS but it works better than Lucas FIC for me.
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Those cocktail desert bowls don't look to appetizing & will definitely give you gas & heartburn 🥣🤣
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yeah, the BG 44 they use at the dealerships I used to work there when I did quick lube and then I moved into auto Detail and that’s what I used to get at the dealer and I used to use it in my tank really does good it’s worth the money. If you go to the dealer you have an injector cleaner done it’s worth the extra money, or you can buy it over the counter at the dealer and put it in yourself. Make sure you follow the instructions, so nothing happens.
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I've used Startron for years and it's never let me down. It's even kept fuel good I had forgotten about in a smaller gas can for two years. Still even smelled fairly fresh. Startron also has a new "Carbon Eliminator" spray you spray into your intake or carb at idle. My boat was hesitating and almost dying if I punched it outta the hole. Couple rounds of the Carbon Eliminator and the hesitation is almost gone out of my mechanically original 1976 Apollo boat with the good ol carbureted Mercruiser 165 4.1L straight six. I've also noticed the fuel guage doesn't drop quite as fast. So, in short it does exactly what it says it does!! Startron is simply the best in my opinion. You also can't OD on it like you can other fuel stabilizers, like StaBil. Use too much of that stuff and it'll literally eat your fuel jets. I'm also a bit leary of something that's too good like the BG. What is it doing to rubber/plastic fuel LINES, the fill neck and jets or injectors? Ya....I'll stick with Startron. Great video though!!
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i use mar.myst oil as a top cylinder lubricant it dies clean also, at 250,000 miles my engine still had crosshatching, 5 oz everytime i put gas in
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A product like Startron is made to stabilize your fuel and help with ethanol problems. It shrinks the water molecules down to make them more combustible. A product like the 44K is made to clean your fuel system. Both have their place depending on what you're after. In the outboard motor world Startron is a life saver. Not so much for vehicles unless it's going to be sitting with the same fuel for months and months.
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Starting is good for neutralizing the ethanol, the poison, in today's fuels.
StarTron is good for cars as well whether it’s a daily driver or a car that is stored for a while. It makes the engine run so much better and improves the fuel mileage so much that it actually pays to use it.
BG products are the bees knees man. The carbon blast when used in the carbon blast canister really cleans the whole intake out to and then you take the vehicle for a drive and watch all the smoke roll out like a freight train😂. Shtt it awesome💪😎
The BG 44k is good ! MMO is good if used continuously and a good upper cyl lubricant ! lucas is good also ! if used continuously ! every fill up ! Nice video !
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In the UK the Lucas company brand unipart , sold its injector cleaner , it was 99.5% white spirit , same as decorators use to thin down oil based paint and clean brushes . By far the cheapest solution!
I would agree on BG44k ... but for those who only have time to add it on gas .. i would use B12 chemtool ....
For the price, the B12 is very good stuff, I use it.
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The reason they fogged up is probably the gas had alcohol on a humid day. Try that with straight gas with alcohol on a humid day and they it fog up also. Pulling moisture out of the air
Correct, the gas has ethanol in it.
The cloudiness in the bottom of the bowls appears to be water that has been absorbed by the alcohol in the fuel. This shows that none of them do anything about keeping the fuel dry.
I think you are right, I noticed that also, it was a humid day when I made the video.
you are correct
I always wondered, those additives that keep fuel “dry”, what happens to the water or where does it go? Does it somehow help it evaporate?
@@juanc.9735 The additive that drys the fuel is alcohol. It lets the water mix with the fuel. The problem with that is it can cause rust and corrosion to form in the fuel system. It;s better to separate the water from the fuel and drain it out of the system.
@@juanc.9735 No, it only makes the water mix with fuel.
BG diesel cleaner is the bomb , saw an old ford escort failing an emissions test , with only one gallon in the tank we added BG to the tank live on the emissions tester , it went to pass in under 3 minutes , no bullshit , 100% true , FORTE products are also very very good .
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I've tried too many fuel system cleaners. For Direct Injection motors The only 2 I've found that actually work is the Liqui Molly DIjectron and the Fuel Injector Pro 104. Just a heads up for anyone else with a DI motor. The old school cleaners like Seafoam and Lucas won't really do anything for you.
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The 44k works on GDI engines it actually comes in a two step package
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🤣 just saw the name too. Love it!
I gotta try liqui molly. I’ve been using redline for my DI
Thanks for putting this test for us. The Saturn dealership used it 1992 on my new SC2 for "fuel cleaner service" . It was $15 way back then, and it worked very well. I have used it in all my used Toyotas two Camrys and two Corollas, 1998 and 2005 Corollas and 1996 and 2009 Camrys. And my 2012 Honda Civic. A really great product that is worth the price.
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Are you talking about the BG44K? Thanks!
That was BG 44K @@WhipCityWrencher
@@jamesclark5461 Yep, that's good stuff
The BG stuff really did a nice job of cleaning the threads
I swear by Max Clean Royal Purple. More expensive, but better gas mileage. I also periodically clean my throttle body. My friend was a petroleum engineer for Chevron and told me that Techron wasn't as good as advertised.
I think the Marvel works slow and steady and better under heat. The bg works within 10 minutes then you drain your oil.
Yep,
Using the stronger fuel cleaners just before an oil change is good advice.👍
You are thinking of another BG product the 44K goes in your gas tank bruh.
@@EmoKidsRule100 You do know why your oil turns black right? Every vehicle has a little "blow by". This is also why when you run your car even for 100 miles after a oil change, they recommend changing the oil in 5k miles OR 1 year, which every comes first, because the burnt fuel creates acids that start breaking down the viscosity of the oil even if it has less than 5k miles. Depending on the type of oil and additives, usually a year after burnt fuel is introduced into oil, it needs to be replaced. This is why people also seasonally change their lawn mower, ATV, tractor, etc, oil. So what he was insinuating with his comment was that a portion of that nasty stuff being burnt off during the BG44K cleaning will end up in your oil, so best to do it right before an oil change so you don't drive around for another 4k miles with a bunch a nasty stuff that is going to likely break down your oil at a higher rate.
I was a oil changer at a shop and sometimes we would do the Gumout fuel injector cleaning service that as it's added while the engine is running it cleans the tops of the pistons..combustion chambers and intake and exhaust valves and it was a $65 dollar service back in 2002-03...I see and have had Walmart techs do the same thing for only $20 on 3 of my vehicles..no tax on the $20 bill..it works great and use whatever fuel additive as a maintainer between cleanings.
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BG products are made local to me so a lot of mechanics use it around here. Always good performance from them
Available on Ebay too!
Bg44k is also the most recomended by mechanics everywhere in israel.
Whip, due to this video I reached out to BG Products Canada and set up an account. Their rep was just here and I purchased a bunch of their products. Thanks for the great videos, keeo up the good work! (Ran a can of 44K through the F150 and its running like a top). MOA additive might be going in next!
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That 44K is good stuff but on the expensive side.
BG 44k is what most Dealers use.
I can see why, it seems to be some strong stuff.👍
Bg44 k platinum excellent product
44k definitely works..... that's just half of what it'll do. Cleans valve excellent as well but there's also a second step to keep things clean and it's a kit that hooks up to the fuel system and cleans intake and exhaust as well.... yeah it's expensive but for what it does it's worth it.
I had really good luck with BG44K cleaners and ATS 505. Including the ATS oil treatment. especially on old farm equipment that has been sitting for along while.
Both are costly for cleaners, buy much cheaper than mechanical work. I carry the ATS and have been known to add it to the gas tank as part of the services.
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Did the ATS 505 fuel cleaner provide a noticeable difference? I'm interested in purchasing, just not sure if the benefit is worth the price. Thanks for your insight.
I have a '03 Jeep Wrangler (Rubicon) that I ordered from the factory and I am the only driver; it has the 4.0 engine; it as been well maintained and never driven fast or hard. A few thousand miles later it developed a miss that the dealer could not identify and correct. I went to two other dealers with no success. Back to the first local dealer at about 10k miles and the service manager told me that there was a Technical Service Bulletin on this issue. Huh? Why in the blue blazes did he not tell me of this the first time I brought it in? Look at TSB 09-003-03 for 4.0 engines from 1999 to 2004, more or less. The exhaust valves get crud on the valve stems such that the valves are slow to close ever so slightly; I am surprised the exhaust valves do not burn from this. Now I use either Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) or Lucas Injector cleaner in the gas for several tanks which clears the problem/valve crud for about 3-5k miles. Both also stop the off-idle pinging when starting in first or second gear. I suspect some of these cleaners have to be warmed or hot to clean well. The engine uses very little to no oil so I suspect the deposits are from the gasoline and ethanol. Just my 2₵...
Thanks for your 1st hand experience with products such as these.👍
I like to put a bottle of fuel injector cleaner in my tank and about a pint of the MMO in my engine just before an oil change.
I hope your engine lasts a long time.😊
Used the tall can of Royal purple in my 35 gallon gas tank in my pickup, drove it four and a half hours straight no noticeable difference. I filled up again with two tall bottles of seafoam Marine in an effort to delete the alcohol that California gas upon us in our gas. After another four and a half hour drive I had a noticeable difference in off the line acceleration in squealing the tires, I was surprised. 🏁🏎️
So the Royal Purple and Seafoam Mix would make for a better cleaner?
Was it the Royal Purple bottle that's only rated 20 gallons?
Enjoyed the video, but it's hard to say which would preform the best in the real world. If you wanted to soak some carbonized parts I think BK44k is the clear choice, but we have a limited duration, and heat effects all cleaners, if the BK44k is instantly burnt up in the combustion chamber it will do very little if nothing.
The Mobil fuel, and Royal Purple both have PEA which didn't seem to do much in this test but is proven capable of withstanding the heat of combustion, cleaning some in the heat is probably better than cleaning nothing in the heat.
I really don't mean to criticize as I've enjoyed the video, I found it interesting, but there is only so much we can take away from this. I do feel it would be fair to say the BK44k would probably clean the gas tank better, and a lot of people have vehicles with gummed up floats in their tank, so a more accurate gas gauge is a possible use case for the BK.
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I feel the stronger cleaners would do a better job for your fuel system and combustion chamber. I'm thinking of trying them out on a small gasoline engine. Any ideas on how I could do a test with an engine and these cleaners would be greatly appreciated. Thank You!
When it comes to actually cleaning the fuel injector's internal pintle and the injector orifice, 44k is in a liquid state and it is flowing under pressure. The injector spray pattern can often be seen on the piston, in the case of a direct injection engine. Starting from cold, with a richer mixture, this is more apparent.
I have been using borescopes for many years, and cannot resist the temptation to have a look.
BG is not cheap, but it's an excellent product. I don't expect a customer to pay his hard earned money for something I have doubts about.
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@@WhipCityWrencher loved your surprise, just as I have found. I use the BG intake valve cleaner regularly, after performing a similar experiment with a set of heavily carbon-deposited, and bent intake valves I replaced. I dropped the valves in various solvents, and had the same "aha!" moment when the BG beaker turned completely black in a very short time.
The intake cleaner is intended to be inducted (atomized) into the intake of a running engine, but my humble experiment showed me what to use when chemically decarbonizing the intake ports and valves, once the manifold is removed for service.
I put MMO into my diesel fuel and wow it run quite a bit better.Dieel fuel these doesn't lubricate like it used to.Hard on injection pumps.
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For those who don't know, modern fuel has ethanol, which is hydroscopic. it sucks in water from the air. That is why the bowls got cloud pretty quick. After 24 hour they had absorbed. all the water they could, and that is what was in the bottom of all bowls .
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Great test Pete! I use BG 44K Platinum, expensive but works! I've Been in the automotive business for 45 years and found this to be the best money can buy.
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The BG 44K is good stuff👍
I now call it a mechanic in a can.
I do not know if there is a difference between them or not, but what I know is that it really works to calm the sound of the motor, reduce fuel consumption, and increase the power of the motor
Although BG is the obvious winner when soaking the plugs, I have to wonder what the results would have been in their natural environment. I believe the chemical make up of the products were designed to activate under high heat, since that's the only time they would ever actually come into contact with the product - under detonation in the piston chamber. Just a thought. It might make a difference, or not. I guess it would involve a lot of work because you'd have to get 5 cars that have about the same wear and tear (fleet cars maybe?). Anyway, I think I'd end up getting the BG based on this test. Good video.👍
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Thats a serious mix ratio of injector cleaner... In a tank of gas, you would need gallons of cleaners
Not really, that's the mixture that I came up with to match the directions.
@@WhipCityWrencher perhaps I should do my mathematical calculations....cheers
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Enjoyed the video. I been using startron for years in my boat. 2 stroke. My spark plugs quit fowling and my carburetor was spotless the 1st time pulled off an 83 Johnson in 20 years. I really like it. Thanks
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If I was looking for a 24 hour spark plug cleaner this would be the go to video.
LOL, I would say it will still give you an idea of which product will probably be a better cleaner.
Where I used to work Berryman and mmo were always on hand. Personally I use a cocktail of mmo and top it off with a little sea foam mostly sea foam for fuel stabilizer.
Worked for Chevy in the 80’s and we used Top Engine Cleaner by GM. Nothing out there worked better.
Now if you could use combustion and heat this would be real interesting. Maybe a lawnmower with an auxiliary tank (small) and run it through.
Thanks, Great suggestion. I'll look into it this coming summer.
Head cylinder issues misfiring I used bg44k that I call mechanic in a can it made my engine run perfect again truly the best I ever came across
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I just put the Royal Purple in my last gas up as it was recommended by Scotty Kilmer...it might be in my head but my 03 CRV with 304000 miles seems to be a little smoother and more throttle response...I might try the BG 44K in another 5 k miles...great video that thanks
I tried royal purple but I noticed nothing. I also tried redline and noticed nothing. I tried the 44k and noticed better take off and smoother idle. My car is 1999 firebird 3.8 and runs great at 160000
I think I saw the same video,😊
Star tron is a fuel stabilizer as well. Iv left gas sitting for 2 years in a generator after being treated with star Tron, never got a clogged carburetor or anything. Yank the cord and the motor fires right up
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Same experience with my snow blower.
I agree the BG 44k is great stuff. My understanding BG44K and Techron or techroline? Are the same base chemical. So if you can’t locate the BG use techroline additive.
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Then why not just buy the fuel with Techron already in it?
U right about that
@@bowez9 CHEVRON Gasoline is listed as a "TOP TIER" fuel.
"TOP TIER" fuels are supposed to be the best.
Chevron gasolines have the "TECHRON" additive already in their fuel formula.
Chevron gasoline gives me the best all-around combination of performance and economy.
The most scientific /unscientific comparison test ever done, and cheap too! A professional lab would have charge 10s of thousands of dollars to complete the testing. Only to say The test was not conclusive, we must perform another more detailed test. !! Well, done my friend !!
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Thank you , great video i use BG 44k on my motorcycle fill the tank after 68.5 miles on 4.5 fuel tank , let me tell you after i took out the spark plugs i was impressed 👌 good job
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That was some really wet gas and a good example of how these products dry the fuel.
You know I know chemical company know we dont need cleaning additives its already in all our fuel. But it doesn't hurt
It may be a placebo effect, I dont know but my truck seems to run better after I use these products.
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Bg44 k platinum excellent product for cleaning carbon deposits
If you are not using Star-Tron please give it a try. All my problems with my
Small engine machines starting and
Running after winter storage have disappeared. Good stuff 😊
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Agreed! I believe it also improves the injector spray pattern and improves combustion efficiency.
Marvel mystery oil has worked great for me
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