UpFront - Palestine 🇵🇸 and Israel 🇮🇱 : One state, or two? - UpFront
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- For Palestinians, June 5, 2017 marks the beginning of the “Six-Day War” - also called “al-Naksa” - and 50 years of Israeli occupation, as a peace deal remains elusive. While some continue to argue that a two-state solution is the only way for Palestinians and Israelis to live in peace, others are increasingly beginning to question whether two independent states are even possible. So, which is more realistic: A single state where Palestinians and Israelis live together, or two independent states? To debate this in this UpFront special, we’re joined by Gideon Levy, Hanan Ashrawi, Lara Friedman and Yousef Munayyer.
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Hanan Ashrawi is a brave Palestinian who desperately wants an independent Palestine and has worked for it all her life. she had been the good president of palatine instead of mehmood abbas.
She is christian
Before 1967 Israel was not in charge of West Bank, Gaza or east Jerusalem. But they kept attacking it. What was the problem then?
Yousef Munayyer's approach is too American. The ideology of the USA is all about individual freedom, coexistence of cultures and religions, and restraining overbearing government. From this perspective, his proposal makes sense; if the problem in Israel-Palestine is simply that one of the two nationalities dominates the institutions and disenfranchises the other in part of the territory, then the obvious solution is to copy the USA by making the state neutral, introducing a bill of rights that protects everybody equally then letting everybody live side by side peacefully. The error here is that it overlooks the fact that the two groups have competing national aspirations rather than just individual ones. Immigration to the USA was motivated by the prospect of economic and religious self-actualisation in a "new world". These aims are well served by the ideology of the founding fathers and allowed a new national identity to develop. The motivation for Zionist immigration, however, was a collective, national revival in an "old world" to which they were deeply attached both religiously and culturally.
Fascinating discussion. I just want to add one point. Everyone says that the Israelis and Palestinians CANNOT live together. But they ALREADY are. There are 20% Palestinians in 1948 (not entirely equal in practice, BTW), and I do not see them killing each other. So, the way I see it, is that Israelis ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT to have a one-state in fear of becoming a minority and not because they cannot coexist.
I would also take Gideon's comment about Germany-Israel differently. True, Israel and Germany have an interesting relationship and who would have thought, right? However, there is an even better example to point out, and that is South Africa. Who would have thought that after centuries of "True" enslavement, killing, etc. Blacks can live side by side with the "Whites?" Yet, it happened and they are not killing each other.
I think you get the point.
How can they claim that Israel never wanted or was never serious about a two-state solution when they’ve offered it 5 times in peace talks or negotiations? That doesn’t make sense to me.
When have they ever admitted their own mistakes? They just blame everyone for no solution
@@Anp562 Maybe you’re right. I can’t think of a time. I actually saw a documentary about the 1948 war where Palestinian Arab scholars asked the question, “In hindsight, should our leaders have accepted the UN partition plan or the Peel Commission plan, or even spoken with the British about a Palestinian state during the Mandate period before WW2? I think we can look back and safely say that that would have been better.” I’m not quoting it exactly word for word since I’m quoting it from memory. But that’s the closest thing I have ever seen to a regret being expressed. And it was by a scholar, not someone in Arab leadership.
@@sandrad9695 Both Israelis and Palestinians can point at million reasons to support their own arguments. So much has happened in the last 100 years that everyone has made mistakes at some point but the biggest mistake of Palestinians was the decision to not establish a state between 1949-1967. There is just no excuse for that
I'm not sure how much propaganda you have been subjected to, but Israel has never offered a two-state solution.
Israel has ethnically cleansed countless villages of Palestinians and forced them to live as refugees. When there were negotiations, Israel would not allow the Palestinians to return home, yet wants to allow the "right of return" to Jews who have never had family living there and won't stop the settlements on Palestinian land.
Israel would not commit to anything in writing either. Their negotiations were completely in bad faith. A lot like the USA with its indigenous population.
Because in reality , on the ground Israelis continue to allocate more " settlers" into Palestinas ; the Israelis " actions " are not matching with their mouth
One state solution? Yes.
Two state solution? Keep on dreaming.
Yousef Munayyar is smart
Interesting discussion!!
He’s also completely disconnected from reality. How many Arab states exist with multiple religions/sects that are a democracy as he want this to be?
10 years from now. The situation will be the same. The occupation will continue, but people’s minds will be creeping slowly more into the one-state mindset, while the demography keeps changing as the musIim population has a far higher birth rate. I predict that the conflict will end in 30 years from now, when a generation is born far removed from the memory of the conflict who would put democracy above religion.
Religious jewish birthrate is up as well and it is being encouraged by forces on the Israeli right, as well as encouraging them to make Aliya.
Muslim birthrates vs jews and zionist occupation.
In 30 years later?? Christian majority country😀
10 years from now, Israel will have a trillion dollar economy and gaza will still lack clean drinking water.
I like how the Arab colonizers are constantly slandering the Jews with the accusation of "genocide" and "massacres" and "war crimes" yet in the same breath threaten Jews with demographic majority.
"Palestine" is colonialism. Lol
The younger generations on both sides are more fanatical than their parents and grandparents.
The only solution is one state with equal rights..
Yeah one state, Palestine
@@muzammal498 Nope
you think the jews are stupid? they will never allow it because they know what are the intensions of the palestinians, i suggest the palestinians to move to other place because they lost the trust of the jews
@@YahomieRevil it will never be 1 stare Israel I hope you don't believe that
@@muzammal498 Or better, Israel.
It's very hard to get the Palestinian side of the story in American media. Thank you Al Jazeera for doing what our media should be doing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bec U believe the Palestinians media that’s lie Bec Hamas Threatens them
We get the Arab colonialist narrative constantly. What are you talking about?
Al Jazeera is known for being an Arab propaganda channel. I would not believe anything they say. In fact, I only watch them for an update on the propaganda.
They all make valid points; it's such a difficult one to call. Peace to all in the Holy Land
They are all wrong and right at the same time.
Yigal amir killed the 2 state solution 26 years ago and there isn't a critical mass of people that truly have the willingness to make the one state solution work in a fair manner.
G'od is holy, life is holy, the land becames holy if people stop harming. The Prophet said 3 time: Don't harm, don't harm, don't harm. ALLAH HU ABHA, God is beauty in everyone
Israel and Palestine need one state solution where both have equal rights and freedom to practice their religion. Seperate countries aren't viable. It's all about compromise. Both group can't have 100% of what they want. If everybody compromise little bit here and there, the world would be a lot better place.
It hurt to see this summer when Israeli Arabs turned on Israel, and atracked Jews in the streets. Imagine what would happen if more Arabs are allowed into the state.
@@shainazion4073 Conflicts would continue either way.
That’s not gonne work the Arabs will become majority in. Israel then. It will use its Jewish character we can’t led that happen
Arabs will not guarantee the rights of indigenous people, since they never actually do in any of the states wherein which they have majority. So, no. Your bullshit about "equal rights" is just a strategy for colonialism.
Funny how nobody brings up U.S.! Even when relevant the Palestinian legislator, whom I agree with, just mentions international community, not the global regime centered on one hegemone!
we need to make a rift between the older generations and the younger generations, make the young learn without the hate of one and other so when they grown up, they will work together.
Nothing ever ends one solution just sets the stage for the next problem
I prefer two States solution. But I Am sorry about the Christians in the holy land
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Because people will find out that all Arab nations including Saudi and Egypt determined today that Qatar and House of Thani are terrorists and Mehdi Hasan responsible for the propaganda
Elie Sterin and not to forget Israel killing innocent children and mothers
Elie Sterin
No not all arab nations
It’s only Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain
Elie Sterin
No not all arab nations
It’s only Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain
As a Palestinian, I have always believed in a one state solution… elected president, Congress with equal representation.
Just watching this is giving me anxiety. I do not believe the Israeli's want a two-state solution.
Why should they
They offered it 5 times!
@@anasmohsin389 You should check your History, The Arabs have been offered a 2 state solution 5 times. They are the ones that reject it. The Arabs should go back to Arabia. This is nothing more than the Arabization going on here
@@Nobody-sb6tr Palestine became Arab over 1000 years ago. If they are not indigenous the English should also go back to Germany.
@@Sam-gy3ok Sorry, nope. Jews came from Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Arabs come from Arabian Peninsula. These Arabs are interlopers. However, there are plenty of Arab Palestinians that can live shoulder to shoulder with their Jew neighbours in Israel. They could live as equals under the flag of Israel, a western democracy. Instead, they cry foul when they lose a fight they started. Palestinian protestors are a bunch of George Zimmermans.
Arafat and Abass both walked away when offered peace .
this is Israeli excuse: 'offered peace'. Israel is apartheid state.
@@cobaltbomba4310 It's not an excuse, it happened. They were offered peace and walked away from it. Multiple times.
And what did the peace deals offer? The PLO made peace with the Oslo accords and it gave them next to nothing but the continued occupation today. If I take over your house and then tell you that you can have the shed outside is it your fault if conflict continues?
@@ДжакетиЛув lies
@@cobaltbomba4310 Its very easy to say things, there are no Jews-only water fountains, or Arab-only busses, or segregated theaters in Israel. All Israelis have the same rights, there is no Apartheid. You have to realize, there are 2 governments, Israel does not make policy for the Palestinian Authority, and The PA does not make policy for Israel.
2 state solution will not working as its rejected by Arab partition since 1947
Do nt lie
Two states was rejected by Arabs since 1947. They refused to accept the existence of a Jewish state on any borders and still do to this day.
The Palestinian myth, as quoted by a PLO member:
In a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhse’in said:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.
@KTD212 Than wtf did your former female prime minister, Golda Meir, in the interview, once said that she was a Palestinian citizen? Why does the 1940 map of the Middle East say Palestine, and not Israel? The country that does not exist is Israel. Israel is an Artificial nation that didn't came into existence before 1948. Chuck Norris is older than Israel. Palestinian Non-Jews are 51% Levantine, and only 9% Arab proven by DNA results.
One state where all citizen has equal right.
May I ask a question. R u Palestinian or Israeli ? Well if so then ya u have the right to suggest a solution as u probably know what the real situation is but otherwise dont poke your nose in such a complicated conflict.
jf 204264 Nothing complicated about the situation.
A geneticist proved through DNA that the people in Israel today are not original Jews but people that converted to Judaism over a thousand years ago. Their ancestors come from khazaria not Israel. In 1948 the fake Jews (khazars) were only 30% of the population. In 1878 the fake Jewish population was only 5%.
Out of Khazaria-Evidence for “Jewish Genome” Lacking. Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, thinks so.
So here’s the solution...the Khazars should move back to the Ukraine where their ancestors come from.
@@theredboneking that book has been refuted already and mitochondrial DNA tests do show that all Jew people have a middle eastern background despite coming from different parts of the world.
@@cosmokaulitz22 That’s called “Damage control”. It has not been refuted at all.
@@cosmokaulitz22
Out of Khazaria-Evidence for “Jewish Genome” Lacking. Eran Elhaik, a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, thinks so.
Eran Elhaik is an Israeli-American geneticist and bioinformatician. His research uses computational, statistical, epidemiological and mathematical approaches to fields such as complex disorders, population genetics, personalised medicine, molecular evolution, genomics, paleogenomics and epigenetics.
In the field of population genetics, Elhaik has published papers analyzing the ancestries of European Jews and Druze, including work related to the Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, a contentious subject that has received media attention. Elhaik argues for a non-Levantine origin of the Ashkenaz and favours the hypothesis that they are of mixed Irano-Turko-Slavic and southern European descent.
As one author stated, "The fact is that this is not a dispute over borders. This is a religious war, and the Muslim Arabs, so long as the overwhelming majority remain Muslim, will never accept the existence of a non-Muslim state in territory previously conquered by them in the name of Allah."
Eighty per cent is not really 'overwhelming'.
There is no need to evacuate the settlers in the West Bank. They chose to move to lands that the world considers part of a future Palestinian state. They will just need to understand that one day they will no longer be living in Israel but rather Palestine, subject to the elected representatives of Palestine.
HOW can somebody be a refugee for 70 years??????
The same way they can be refugees for 3000 years then come back and claim the land
Just prefacing this with the fact that I'm against the occupation & subjugation of Palestinians and I believe there should be a binational democratic state for both peoples. +Sauron Merciful You are actually historically and scientifically wrong. There has been a breadth of studies on Jewish people showing that both Ashkenazi and Sephardi people have genetic ties to the Levant. Additionally, it is historical fact that there existed a kingdom of Israel and Judah in Israel & Palestine. Also, being Jewish myself, I know Israel is the predominant theme of the Torah and longing to return to Israel, after being displaced by the Romans, has been the biggest theme in our history Thus I believe both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous to the land.
@@zacf991 with all due respect but a religious text is not a historical document nor is God a real estate agent. Your Torah is just an other middle Eastern myth
did you ignore the historical and scientific facts I included or just skip over them to use religion as a strawman to bash jewish people for wanting to have security?
One Democratic State is NOT bi-national. It's individualistic. There aren't two 'nations', just normal people.
A great part of the problem is the rotten leaders within the Palestinian movement. I wish there would be honest reporting about this elephant in the room. It’s easier to blame Israel for everything. A half decent Palestinian leader would do wonders to provide international legitimacy and would garner great acceptance by many many Israelis.
I think a state should be created called Israel-Palestine which is set up similar to Belgium, with the Palestinians and Israelis each having their own governments and the Israel-Palestine government will be in Jerusalem. The borders would be too complex in a two state solution.
@Luaay E nether will Palestine they both want it all and cant compromise, it too bad really
@Luaay E If Israel allowed them to have a higher quality of life, there birth rate would lower. Do Palestinians really have 9x as many children as Israelis though?
@Luaay E I would argue a better mentality though since they have democracy and aren't always in conflict
@Luay Alamir pretty terrible ethno state when 20 percent are arabs Israelis.
@@peacelove7495 they still want Jews to be the majority, so yes it’s an ethno state
Can you people update these videosto Al Jazzera of iPhone App?
Two states for two peoples: it's either this or no peace!
She doesn't ever look like a refugee nor does she look like one...
Who can say what state was on the land , that was occupied by Israel ?
Palestineans have to give up hostility against Israel and start living like good and friendly neighbours..
Settlements do NOT prevent a two state or three state solution
History will show that the Palestinians has been offered a 2-state solution many times in the past, but they always rejected. I don't think it's still possible now.
After Gaza, Israel can not allow a state that wants Israel gone along their whole side of the Jewish state. That leaves Israel with only a 9 mile wide country, greatly putting it at risk.
Shure not a 2 state solution. But a one state, YES
people should asked this question to these people who play the victim role why were you kicked out of every single country you set feet on like 140 countries in the last 600 years
The choice is difficult ... Palestine can own country. But in order to be safe, quality life, join with Israel alone, which says difficult and not is feeling unlimited. Palestinians who feel, ignore opinions from the outside because it will not be completed 1000 years
Thank you Al Jazeera for returning my comment back where it belongs just like the other comments!! But what have you done with my other comments??
Palestine is not interested in the two states solution.
Only in the final solution.
if there is only going to be 1 state, then it must be a Palestinian one.
Or at least a neutral one, with a dual name
@Michael Gold about as delusional as Israel being a democracy & a state of peace
A two state solution is the fair and just solution, and shouldn't be Israels choice to decide, because they have no intentions of fairness. If life was fair Israel and Palestine would have each been given an equal slice and no deviation tolerated, and Jerusalem remain separate. That would stop the bickering, if only the rest of the world would step in and lay down the terms for them. Conflict like this, in this day and age is absurd. Somehow everyone is helpless, but to witness the oppression of Palestinians while Israel annex and gerrymander their way into getting what they want. "settlements" with a scattered Palestinian minority is not a solution, it's age old colonialism. They are fooling nobody. All I can say to Palestinians is to never give up hope, although I'm sadly cynical this time. The only viable solution is for the world to step in and stop this. Referring to Palestinian areas as "occupied territory" is just absurd. Such racism so open makes me sick. In the eyes of god they are both equal. Why do we never hear or get to consider a solution preposed by a Palestinian? Because they have no voice, no say, no power. That is oppression. Nobody asks them, they are not considered equal. All they can do is disagree with Israel and I hope they continue forever until they are heard! People don't choose the armalite unless there is no ballot box, Hamas is the result of Isreals oppression, nothing more. There is no fear of terrorism where things can be discussed. Look at Northern Ireland, the fighting stopped once the talking began.Palestine needs an Adams and a Martin, and honest Israelis need to replace their Thatcheresque leaders and listen to their morals. Tiocfaidh do la. Inshallah!
Do you know that the Mandate's mission was to create a Jewish homeland. Read the Charter. The British took 77% of the Mandate illegally, and gave it to the Hashemites to become trans-Jordan. Then, they offered 80% of the land in 1937, the Peel Commission, to the Arabs, and left a small corner for the Jews. The Arabs said no!
!,In 1947, the UN partition plan offered the Arabs 45% of the land, they were offered the land that by population the Arabs lived in. They also were offered the Jordan Valley, the best agricultural soil in the land. The Jews were offered the Negev desert (60% of Israel) and no infustructure in their lands. The Arabs said no, and rather than try to communicate any changes they might have wanted, they just said, No, and then attacked with 5 armies at one day old Israel.
Please don't talk about fairness, the Arabs had 5 separate offers of land for peace. They want Israel gone, not a separate Palestinian state.
@@shainazion4073 Of course they said NO, no to occupation, they were already there.. why would they accept anything. 80%, the Jordan valley or whatever else the British "offered" them. The fact is they were under occupation, and if they had agreed in 1937 the result would have been no different than today. The offers meant nothing and agree or not the result was never going to favour them. Giving up their land for peace is a threat, Give it up or have it taken. They have nether, at the moment
So please if Israelis are always occupieng the Westbank wy not als equally develop Palestinian villages and cities, why beeing so selfish. The als where Jews 1500 years ago, at least most of their anshestors. Bewakasha, please, Shalom rav
I request Israel and he's Jewish people to help and develop the Palestinian city's in the Westbank in the same manner as the settlements. Peace for brotherhood. Help for Peace. It is mentioned in the Thora :Let the stranger live in the midst of you, like you owne human. So why the religios Settler do not fallow Thora, wy the don't fallow Hashem? The will be punished by Him.
Bravo Gideon!!
The problem is not how to create one state for both the Jews and the Arabs . Because the one state /one country has been created since 1967 ! The problem is not how two children of Abraham live together at same home . The problem is how to make the BLIND people to SEE that reality ! If Israel is a secular/democratic state and if Palestine will also be a secular/democratic state , then why can it not be ONE UNITED secular/democratic STATE?
Why 1 or 2 states. Why not 3 states with a peace wall/equality partition/no man’s land where people who respect each others right can live together and provide a buffer between the 2 warring states. The mid state is open to join and has the vote for the whole region which benefits both sides. The democracy hopefully grows into one state over a period of time.
Just an idea; thinking outside the box kind of thing- instead of going round in circles. The thinking around this is stagnant.But what do I know.
One democratic secular state and rights for all. You can't be a democratic state if you have a Jewish state.
One state is the future solution!
*One state, with EQUALITY for all, and the return of all refugees.*
*Here are some facts relating to the Arab ownership of land* from ‘The Birth of Israel’ by Simha Flapan, who from 1954 to 1981 was National Secretary of Israel’s MAPAM party.The Israel Absentees’ Property Law of 1950 stated that any Arabs who left their place of residence between Nov ‘47 and Sept ’48, [note, this does not mean they actually crossed any borders], were declared absentees and their property subject to *appropriation* by the [Israeli] Custodian of Absentees Property.
A detailed account was prepared by Joseph Schechtman... _“The amount of this property,”_ he wrote in 1952, is _“very considerable”: 2,990,000 dunams (739,750 arces) of formerly Arab owned land, including olive and orange groves, vineyards, citrus orchards, and assorted tree gardens, became totally _*_deserted?_*_... 2,070,270 dunams were of good quality, 136,530 of medium quality and 751,730 dunams were of poor soil. In addition, 73,000 dwelling rooms in _*_abandoned?_*_ Arab houses and 7,800 shops, workshops and storerooms became ownerless in towns and villages._
*Bank accounts estimated to total up to 5 million Palestinian pounds and left in Arab and non-Arab banks were frozen by the Israel government. All of this Arab absentee property, movable and immovable, was entrusted to an official “custodian".*
Schechtman went on to detail how the property was utilized:
_It is difficult to overestimate the tremendous role this abandoned Arab property has played in the settlement of 100’s of 1000’s of Jewish immigrants who have reached Israel since the proclamation of the state in May 1948. 47 new rural settlements established on the sites of abandoned Arab villages absorbed 25,255 new immigrants...over 1 million dunams leased by the custodian of Jewish settlements and individual farmers for the raising of grain crops._ Large tracts of land belonging to Arab absentees have also been leased to Jewish settlers, old and new, for the raising of vegetables. In the south alone, 15,000 dunams of vineyards and fruit trees have been leased to co-operative settlements; a similar area has been rented...This has saved the Jewish Agency and the government millions of dollars.
Abandoned Arab dwellings in towns have also not remained empty. By the end of July 1948, 170,000 people, notably new immigrants and ex-soldiers, in addition to about 40,000 former tenants...have been housed in premises under the custodian’s control; and 7,000 shops, workshops, and stores were sublet to new arrivals. The existence of these Arab houses - vacant and ready for occupation - has to a large extent, solved the greatest immediate problem which faced the Israeli authorities in the absorption of immigrants.
[details come from Joseph Schechtman’s book, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York, 1952) pp.95-96, 100-101, reprinted in Flapan’s book pp107-8.]
What is Jewish law, *icetealemonplease?*
George B
Yes..but more like the final solution.
George B
I hope the one state solution will result in the democratic destruction of this awful regime.
More of a one sided view point rather than a debate where nobody's allowing presenting the Israel side.
We all knew the truth solution to Israel and Palestine problem but we just want to be hypocritical with it. Let the Palestine have their own country period! That's the solution to the on going conflict between Israel and Palestine.
Regards from Munich🇵🇸🇵🇸
I suppose her issue is the cost of Versace..
"will there ever be a independent Palestinian state" yeah there is, it is called Jordan.
Haha funny that is. I would suggest u stay away from such situations u know nth about . The reason Jordan's population is 75% of Palestinian origins is because of the people Israel expelled in 1948 so rlly it's all Israel's fault.
@@jamilabidrabbu1198 bullshit
@@jamilabidrabbu1198 Israel is 80% Jewish today because Arab countries expelled their Jews after 1948.
@@drkarmakid exactly. They will not acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from Arab lands. 850,000 Jews were ethnically cleansed. Thank God for Israel ✌🇮🇱💙🤝
Duel state ,with two in one only way , equal right for all.
There's a Palestine that dwells inside all of us, a Palestine that needs to be rescued: a free Palestine where all people regardless of color, religion, or race coexist; a Palestine where the meaning of the word "occupation" is only restricted to what the dictionary says rather than those plenty of meanings and connotations of death, destruction, pain, suffering, deprivation, isolation and restrictions that Israel has injected the word with.
Refaat Alareer
Nice words, but most Palestinians adhere to the idea of an Islamic Republic, not a free secular Palestine.
Show me one Arab country where that high ideals are in practice, where? Look at the west bank, all its corruption.Oh Allah ta'ala, clean their hearts!
@@el_naif Explain about the Secular PFLP, and George Habash(Palestinian Orthodox Christian who brought greater influence in the struggle against IsraHell, and is a very important figure in the Palestinian cause).
"Palestine" is colonialism.
The biggest problem with the 2 states solution is that the Israelis will be armed to their teeth and will eventually have all the power. The Palestinians will be totally dependent on Israel, supply of goods, water, energy. It is not just unequal, it will be power vs non power. We can see what this has meant for Gaza.
Gaza could have been a shrine of Palestinians… the blockade came when it was clear the ships were bringing weapons and Hamas took over the politics and killed fatah from the place. They wanted war and got tackled with a blockade
@@Gbbb239 I do not know whether you have ever been in the Gaza strip. I have been there several times. Even before the blockade because of Hamas, Israel set all the rules, bombed and bulldozed complete neighborhoods. And when the settlements were still there they blossomed because they took all of the water and divided the strip in 3 parts. Projects supported by international donors, including the airport were leveled by Israel. And even when Hamas changed their attitude towards Israel, Israel made sure peace would not get a chance. Going in and out the strip is up to the Israeli secret services. I can go on and on. What actually surprised me that nearly all people I talked to and worked with in the Gaza strip only wanted one thing: peace. I am not sure I would have been that brave if I would have been in their position.
Which solution do the people want?
I was wondering the same thing, I would like to know if the palestinians would agree to the one state solution.
@Peselo @Pedrinho Forgiveness is hard, but it is a solution. Trust takes two people. One small action, as simple as a smile or a nod or wave, can be the first step. Because the other side is probably thinking and asking the same about you :'(. We all share this world.
@Peselo you're right, both states would alway kill each others to get jerusalem but only one can own it and we Pakistanis support the native one to rule jerusalem 🇵🇸❤🇵🇰
@Peselo the same way we all forgived Germany for the Holocaust, and Rwandas forgived each other. If your will of revenge is bigger than accepting a solution that might works, you don't love your own people. As a jew(not Israeli) all I want is the peace, because I care about my people and peace/forgiveness means more than this situation for the security of ourselves as jews.
Don't want you to reply, and I totally respect you and your history, but think about what I wrote.
Hamas and PA are at odds , so 3 states are in arena.
Not so fast. Try three states because Hamas and the Palestine Authority are at odds with each other while both are at odds with Israel.
I am pakistani now time has come to change foreign policy about philistine
I completely understand the arguments for why the two state solution is dead. but please explain to me how a one state solution is any more alive? Just because you admit the two state is not going to happen does not mean a one secular state is any more easy.
@luaye1764It's primarily about nationality rather than religion.
Gidon, israel did offer the palestinians a state few times not once, by ehud barak, ehud olmert with 97% of the west bank and gaza and they refused so what are you talking about? Connect to earth, pestinians wants all the land of israel, thats why there is no peace and will never be, the jews understood their intensions palestinians missed their opportunities, when you are not willing to compromise you are left with 0 land...palestinians should move to other place because from israel they will get nothing
Free Palestine!
from hamas
The Palestinian myth, as quoted by a PLO member:
In a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhse’in said:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.
this is absolute bulshit
Israel will implode.
It was never politically or economically viable.
Screw palestine
There are options of course. One Israel could applly the Chinese solution which is to put the Palestinians into "re-education" camps and re-train Palestinians to be Israelis. Then there is the British solution which was to give the Palestinians a state of their own which, or course, is Jordan. This happened in the early 1920's. There is the Ariel Sharon solution which is to remove all of the Israelis from an area and then watch as they fire a never ending barrage of missiles into Israel. Personally I think the Chinese solution needs to be looked at further.
Casually advocating ethnocide
Veryintelligent
As an Israeli, wtf
That's a joke
Until the desappairance of the human race, Israeli and Palestinians will fight. The point is, to give up a narror minded, riligios fiction of choseness. There is not a human idolatry of a God fiction, that will save us.
Remember, it is written that God's land shall not be divided into pieces or God will cut you to pieces . Israel only belongs to God and his Chosen People called The Israelites. Not Arabs or Palestinians. It is written in God's words . even in the Quran it is written.
IF the only thing in the way of a two state solution are too many illegal settlers then...... REMOVE THE ILLEGAL SETTLERS. The one state solution is nonsense.
Well, the birthrate of the Arab Palestinians are much much higher than the Israeli Jews. 30 years time, and the Palestinians will constitute a majority, which will be very awkward for Israel.
Do you think that a conversation without a right wing Israeli is really valid becouse right now they are the majority there
There's no way you can evacuate 800k today.
Germany did it.
Egypt, open the gate
? who and what did qatar knowing about statements. is qatar county or village or beach or company or usa camb or what
Cultural division and religious secularization were were the obstacles on how to maintain peaceful coexistence . . ... Occupation and expansion through settlements build up worsen the relationship among Jews and Palestinian neighbors.
One question: If the west bank becomes a state, will the one million palestians that live in Israel, called arab-israelies, move to live at the new palestinian state?
@Luaay E That is exactly why I asked the question. Because the world only talks about your point, but not about mine. Thank you for helping me showing this with your comment 🤗
@Luaay E If you look at my question, I said: IF THE WEST BANK BECOMES A STATE... ? Will all the palestinians live at the new PA state and all the Jews at the existing Israel?
1 state 1 vote 1 people. A state called the Israel Palestine State or IsPalS for short.
if Hamas stopped killing Israelis, there could have been a one state solution. Neither the Arabs nor the Khazars have a God given right to that land. The original Palestinian people were the same people, all be it with differing religions. The two state solution is dead. It now is a question of who will occupy the single state, but by Hamas continually attacking Israel they are closing the only option left to the Palestinian people
@Mike Hulks More Palestinians are being killed by Israel, than Israelis being killed by Hamas. The Killing of Israeli civilians, including death from Hamas rockets, don't happen that often, just as killings of Palestinian civilians. 11,000 Palestinians can pass as a Genocide, just as the Halabja Chemical Massacre that murdered 5,000 Kurds, and the Srebrenica Massacre that murdered 8,000 Bosniaks, are all genocide. Yeah, IsraHell is committing genocide, a slower one indeed.
Israel government is NOT a regime - its a democratic elected government. ( right wing or left wing )
The Arabs rejected a state over again - though the 3 guests dont mention that and Hamas wants an Islamic state
Yes...one state for sure..!! PALESTINE!
End the Ocupación.
First of all solutions.
Invaded?? YOU HAVE NO SHAME WITH THE LIES YOU TELL
Al Jazeera what have you done with my comments?? Why isn’t it up there with all the other ones?? All I had written was the truth and nothing but the truth!!
The root of the problem: search youtube:
"Prof Shlomo Sand. Challenging Notions of a Jewish people"
Its plain simple. One Person/One Vote!
Its funny that Israeli Gideon Levy is the only person actually making any sense
The Israeli flag has a message where the evangelitards predicted that only 1440++ people get saved for the rests are considered the anti-Christs. Failed cats!
I thought jordan was the palestinian state..
The one they set up 100 years ago🙄
4 people including the host that have the same view, this isn't a debate its a ideological monologue like CNN.
it¨s not an occupation
Like-minded Palestinians and Israelis of the One State persuasion should get together and draft a Constitution for the Commonwealth of the Union of the "two peoples". .
This Constitution should be a Covenant and a Charter of Peace - a permanent Agreement to respect the Lives, Liberty, & Happiness of All Citizens of the Holy Land.
This Covenant should be ratified with a personal Oath of Allegiance, administered with a polygraph test, to agree to the terms and principle of Coexistence implied, to "live together in Peace."
This Oath - together with the polygraph test ought to be administered to All current Israeli Citizens, and the Settlers in the Occupied Territories as well.
Applicants from the Palestinian Diaspora who wish to Return to the Land of there forebears, upon taking the Oath to promise to "live together in Peace" with a positive reading of the polygraph, ought to be allowed to make Aliyah.
Conversely, Settlers in the West Bank & other current Israeli citizens who do not pass the polygraph test when taking the same Oath to " live together in Peace", should go back to Brooklyn or Poland, or Germany, or Russia - or wherever they came from.
There will never be a 2 state 0r 1 state solution only israel occupation and apartheid
What is occupied? The land was never Palestinian. As for Apartheid, there is no Jews-only water fountains, or Arab-only busses, or segregated theaters in Israel. The Palestinians are governed by the Palestinian Authority, not Israel. Israel just is the military in the area.
Gaza, the west bank and east gerasulam have always been palestinian land. These are ruled by aparthied by occupation
Lana is Savage ahah, so striking
one state solution.
Two
In the future Gaza will become Jewish state too, thata the way i see it, because talk is cheap, money wins always...
Where in the world is there a State that doesn’t have a complete border? The Philistines. Want more Land and more really means ALL .... I love the way that they see oppressed Palestinian children and women as the fault of Israel .....
They are also Christians in the holy land
They are (Palestians) Arabs and should live in one state. Palestinians have been offered many times which have been rejected by PA.
The two state solution is better for both sides, than one state, because Israel will control everything, with two states, at least the Palestinians have some sort of pride and their own land, while the other is unfortunately occupied. Look at India and Pakistan, that used to be one country, until they split it in two.
redrobiin you are from which countery
The problem is that Jews and Palestinians are kinda homogeneously distribuited along the territory, so dividing it without ethnic cleansing or having a 15/20% Palestinian/Jewish minority in either of the two states (which in my opinion, would be like having two bi-national states) is impossible. Also, they both make about half of the population of a city that again both claim as their capital, furthering complicating the implementation of two states, since Israel would never accept dividing Jerusalem.
They split in two, both sides committed heinous acts of ethnic cleansing, then they had two major wars, one of them split in two again, and after that they spent decades pointing nukes at each other. I'm not really sure partition is the example to follow.
geddon...germany is at the other end of the land. not even an equation
Israel is taking land disputed land. 🤔
@Fassbender Werner no is America the only country in this globe 😄
israel is a thief .
Yeah, too bad the Palestinians aren't learning from the YPG and advocating democratic confederalism.
I thought it was the YPG learning from the Israelis (how to resist Arabization and Islamization while being surrounded by enemies).
Why israel don't try to delete hamas by moving gaza ppl to West Bank with having a plan to build industry that can create jobs and good housing policy, in West bank
Is it me or the lady cockeyed :P
Question for everyone please response : if we make it into one state only who should be the authority of the state ?!? Palestinians or Israelis
The Palestinians attacked 5 or more different times, lost each time, now you want to give them another land and let them rule? They have 2 incompetent Governments now, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and Fatah is on yhe 17th year of their 4 year term.
Why not both? Mixed rule
The major problem here is due to two people with separate religions, who are determined to maintain their individual identity which they also support with their faith based attachment to the same land, and prefer to only marry within their religion. There is no solution to the problem.