The Cafe - One state, two states or even three states?
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Palestinians have lived under Israeli occupation for more than 60 years. Their homes and land have been stolen and their status reduced to that of refugees in their own country. But instead of uniting against a common enemy, Palestinians are divided, between the Islamists in Hamas who rule Gaza, and the Palestinian Authority (PA) that governs the West Bank. Many accuse the PA of being Israeli stooges and their mismanagement of everything from unemployment, sky-rocketing prices, water rights, taxation and border issues have made them deeply unpopular. Postponing elections simply prolongs the crisis. The paradox is that Ramallah, the unofficial capital of the occupied territories, is booming, with aid money pouring in to assuage the world's guilty consciences. Many worry that this is breeding an aid-dependent culture and further weakening Palestinian resistance. And what hope is there of any permanent solution? Will the Palestinians continue to live in limbo, in one state, two states, or even three states?
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After watching this i have deep Respect for Cafes🤣🤣Thanks Mehdi , You are always good to listen :)
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This is the first time I heard the Palestinians having a serious conversation about the PLO. I hope more of this type of dialogue continues.
The PLO was replaced by the PA. The PA's financing and diplomatic permission is provided by the US and Israel so they are unable to truly represent our population.
@@inventionunique3693 do you want a one state solution?
These discussions are excellent. Now, could we gather together a group of informed Syrians with different views and have a frank but civil discussion about what is going on in their country?
we need to see this
Yes. They're not brainless savages.
They're human beings.
What happened in Syria is the fault of a single moron named Bashar Al Assad.
One state: possible? What makes you think Israelis will accept that?
I would accept tht as long as it’s one nation tht preserves our identities as Israelis and Palestinians so basically 2 states one nation
N that’s not to maintain any superiority over Palestinians it’s bc I don’t think Israelis will have an issue sharing land w Palestinians they will have an issue sharing and giving up their identities so will Palestinians our identity is very important to both of us we want tht individuality as people while being able to share a homeland w one another
It's not about Israel.
I am an Israeli and support One democratic state for all, not all of us put zionism over basic human rights
Do you still maintain the same opinion after two years and 7 October?
Wow. Amazing how you can point to Israel for everything and all self-criticism stops. There is no clear indication of what is the objective of the struggle, which land is occupied, what people are represented, how Israelis fit into this, how is Israel profiting from the occupation, etc. it is all vague generalized blaming. Problem solving involves looking at specifics and good analysis of all the issues. Not just blaming Israel.
Great discussion, thanks mehdi.
I really like this serious debate. It has moved on from the blame game to a solution!! Wonderful !!! May God bless you and may he bring peace in the Middle East.
This debate should continue today!!!
I believe that khaled represents the opinion of young palestinians
And i wonder what has happened to him as he expressed the real situation
This was a very interesting exhibition in how no one is responsible for anything. Happy Festivus. The Airing of Grievances will now commence!
however much the palestinians dont like israel, the only way for them to move forward is to actually engage with israel and to negotiate a full peace treaty. End off! The palestinians also need to understand that you dont have to like any country to sign a deal, you just need to be pragmatic
it makes no sense: build a homeland to protect your people, then treat others the way that caused you to flee in the first place . palestinians too must accept that might doesn’t equal right ; especially when you don’t have any. i wish both parties empathy and compassion for each other.
Why are Palestinians the only people on earth expected to just sit down and take it when they’re being oppressed?
How can you make peace with someone who says "I dont want 22% of the land I want Haifa, Jaafo (in short all of it) " life is about compromises, how many wars it will take you to understand that.
This is a good conversation, I want to translate it, so many Israelis will be able to view it. If the publisher of the film reads this message - please contact me
@Greg majority of human kind are speaking Chinese. Do you?
Disappointed there’s no actual plan or strategy to confront the occupation on the Palestinian side.
I don't think so. Opinion polls are pretty clear, its the young Palestinians that still want a two state solution, the young Israelis, and even the old, have always been willing to accept a two state solution. Look up "do you want two state solution", the guy interviews young Palestinians, most of them, I think all of them, want a one-state solution, meaning this conflict will go on for a much more time.
Get rid of Hamas, Fatah and give the Palestinians a state of their own governed by educated Palestinians living in the west to return home and finally the international community together with the UN to declare Jerusalem as an International City for followers of all Abrahamic religions to equally share and enjoy......but will that happen, probably not.
that already happened last year. Ruma Amin hosted that discussion and it was a disaster. everyone talking over each other and constant interruptions. one guest walked off the set.
34:00 he says it like it is. a 2-state solution is not possible anymore. he spoke of 500K settlers. by now there are 700K settlers. it is utopia to believe that they will simply all leave. its not gonna happen. so all there is now on the table is a 1-state solution with 1 nationality or a 1 state solution with 2 nationalities, where the 2nd nationality controls an autonomous region
One state with one person one vote will never ever happen. Jews wanted a state of their own and now that they got one they will never go back to having no state of their own.
There are already 3 states, Israel, Gaza,and Jordan, are the Arabs going to give up 1 state?
It used to be one state 1967-1993. I$rael does not want to consider Palestinians citizens because all they want is a state for jews
To my brother and sister palestinians, please always cherish the "oneness" of God for it is a symbol that wherever you are, and whatever you do, always act as "One." We Malaysians, always support and always pray for you.
If you compare sabah and ramallah, please pray for yourself first😉
Thanks just watched it. A lot of ideas were expressed and I think they should do it again. The same people too.
Consensus between various factions of the Palestinians is jyst impossible to achieve, so if that's a condition for having an election, PA will be waiting forever.
@zaxx19 If you consider the people who have been living here for centuries settlers , what does that make the European colonialists who invaded Palestine decades ago ? Their president was born in Poland !!
Mamoud Abbas is in the 18th year of his 4 year term. This is the government that they want to rule a country.
They will never talk about that, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas owns 50 million private jet, and lives in luxurious mansion. But ordinary Palestinians are dying every day.
what's point of having two states or three states solution that last for centuries, if one united country between Palestine and Israel can resolve long lasting conflict that Pro-Growth in the region. If there is ever time for unification, it is time now.
As always great interview by Mehdi Hassan. Hopefully both sides can come to the conclusion that they both are loosing right now. They have so much potential and this is unfortunately forgotten in the decision making.
Bull! Mehdi hasan is the most biased and useless journalist on the planet. Should be thrown out of a window ! A shame to global journalism!
Mehdi Hassan was fabulous ! proud to be your follower Brother
Mohamed Mufrick
bro, is Mahdi suni or shia?
Is it really matter?
I wonder how a conversation like that happened about 1400 years ago when the Muslims conquered the Holy Land and eventually the Arabization was established by superseding the language, culture, and even the religion of its native people, as their language, the Aramaic, had to give way to Arabic and Christianity was being replaced by Islam. Did they have the same kind of conversation? I just wonder ...
Spoiler alert. Literally every country on earth was created through conquest and ethnic cleansing. It is simply the fact that we are trying to change this in the modern day so that we can end this cycle
Where is the young guy to the left ?They have replaced him.Why ?
Learning my history is brutal as an American and it's nessasary. The further back I go and the more nuances I discover around this conflict the more I shake my head and understand the bulk of my political science education is hypocrisy as the west funds the occupation of Palestine and is green lighting the actions right now.
Very informative and helpful ❤
One state is the way forward. But administrative and executive role should be with the Jews for the sake of state stability and for greater good of the world.
Its a very straight forward situation- there needs to be a balance between Palestinian freedom and Israel's security concerns. It appears that the Palestinian leadership, enjoys delaying the peace process, as it benefits their own corruption and greed. Eventually, the Palestinians will demand that their leadership abandon their violent charter against Israel, and when that happens... they will have their state.
The PA is an instrument of the Israeli state. It’s basically just another Israeli ministry. Israel taxes the Palestinians and then gives the PA the taxes knowing they are a bunch of corrupt thieves who will squander it.
i have two questions for you:
1. why haven't the palestinians create a state between 1948-1967 (no occupation, no settlements)?
2. seeing that palestinians dont have the capacity to maintain/create functional state institutions, what do you think will happen if israel pulled out (including all jewish settlements) from the west bank?
Between 1948 and 1967, Gaza was occupied by Egypt. And the West Bank was occupied by Jordan. So there was indeed occupation during that period, it just wasn't by Israel.
@@bman342a why didn’t those Arab countries work with the Palestinians to creat a state? That was their chance. People love to blame Israel but the Arab states are responsible for not having a Palestinian state
A fantastic conversation
Probably because they are all high ranking officials or have very official/ professional jobs that have something to do with the media.
You were right then and you are righteous now,. Wishing you the best in 2024 and far from western media moguls that tarnish your excellent carreer in journalism.
*70 Years since the occupation of their territories.
There are no '' OCCUPIED TERRITORIES '' Arabs started the 1967 war !
The Palestinians have a state, it is called Jordan.
To be honest: For an occupied sate, they are living pretty good.
@Hamad Al-Shebani No. I did not say they are not occupied, just that they live a pretty decent life. I also think many know that life would not get better if the Israelis left the country completely. If you ask arab Israelis, most of them say they would not like to live under an arab regmie.
Ah yes, and one more thing: I think you are stupid.
Because its BS they say around the world for sympathy and money from you for terror 😂😂😂
The Palestinian lady who lived in Israel said two different times that she had no one to represent her. But is it not true that Palestinians living within Israel have the right to vote? It must be, because on the previous program they had an Arab lady who was a member of the Knesset. I don't think this lady is being completely honest.
9 years later, the world is in deeper chaos of its own that even Palestine won’t raise eyebrows
One state is the only solution that makes sense and could actually work somewhat.
RUBBISH ONE STATE IS DECEPTIVE AND FANCIFUL
Just like the Lebanese and Tunisians speak French so well ,remember we were occupied by Britain.
@peacefulgreentea The Israeli greediness is the reason peace is impossible to achieve
I had this bizarre dream where someone suggested a four state solution where Israel gets partitioned into secular and Orthodox states alongside Gaza and the West Bank. I have very weird dreams sometimes. Anyway, one state is best.
The Palestinians should form a state in Jordan, that is where they are strongest and where the most Palestinians live.
The mood seems to have changed slightly
I think this guy is a good journalist. I disagree with him a lot, but I still think he has good points at times.
Dauphin River First Nation Manitoba Canada 🇨🇦
36:55 GREAT POINT, non-convincing comebacks.
There were no Israelis or Jews in this debate. That is apartheid!
Its a discussion by Palestinians regarding the PALESTINIAN authority. What are you on about?
This is the problem, they prefer to hurt israel than to benefit their people
This was a really healthy conversation .
You guys are just talks....Israel is eating the pizza while you are taking about dividing the pizza.
As per Carolyn Glick - one state !
At least pa officials will sit calmly with critics, more than any Israeli official can do
An ocean of words in a desert of ideas....
The Palestinians will wait forever if they wait for Israel approval. The only response now is a three state solution. The people of Gaza must make their Declaration of Independence, hold a constitutional convention, elect a government under the Constitution and send out the call for diplomatic recognition, all without waiting or pausing for Israel to approve anything. When Gaza declares Independence that will encourage the West Bank to also declare their Independence. Only by the Palestinians declaring Independence and setting up their constitutional governments can the process move forward.
Gazze ve Batı Şeria'daki Filistinli kardeşlerimizin haklarını korumanın yanında Kudüs'ü ve Mescid-i Aksa'yı asla unutmuyoruz.
One State? Possible.It is what is now!
Two State? This is hot potatoe for Palestinias.That why they never go for.
Three State? This is unthinkable too.
Now,my opinion:None! Good luck!
Coffee (y) it can lead to peace
One state solution, they are crazy
One state period
wy was there 10 years of suicide bomps and rockets from the gaza
THE WORLD KNOWS THAT THERE WAS NEVER A PALESTINIAN PEOPLE NOR A STATE.. IN THE STATE OF ISRAEL..
Stopped watching at the statement “illegal occupation”. Get your facts straight if you want to be taken seriously.
Tf is it then? The UN has passed multiple resolutions regarding the legality of the occupation. Are you dense?
There needs to be some give and take between the Israelies, the and neighbouring countries to redraw the borders and establish a new state for Palestine. there' s syrian, jordan, and Egypt...
2 states 1 nation… 1 capital
thank you mahdi hasan
I love this, the throwing of a legislator out of a window, well, these situaltions are overblown. Really?
And the best yet, all the corruption, all the violence by PA, etc. is the fault of Israel. Can Palestinians ever take
Opportunitic USA, Brittain and Israel is now currently against the wall. Refusal of right of return of refugees, Jerusalem dispute etc are current problems. Imagine total disappearance of 1967 borders ie future Palestinian state and only Israel state is left, still unequal birthrate between Palestinian and Israelis will remain a headache if former is absorbed and become Israeli citizens. Two state solution is the only costly option left.
There is a Palestinian state that has 77% of the Mandate lands, it is across the river. Opportunistic? Israel barely has 20% of the original land intended for the Jewish state.
Poor guy from the PA, they were really after him.
One State Not Possible........
Mehdi mehdi mehdi ... Lots of love man :)
I am writing to you as an Iranian who watched my wonderful nation to fall into poverty and millions of my country men and women, and thousands of the citizens of the world were murdered because of the dictatorship who governs my country by force. Dear Palestinians, look around your region, you have Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan and Israel. Your elected governments are Hamas and PLO. Why don't you for once choose peace and live with the best government in the middle east? God has so much land, what did Hamas do to Gaza after Israel left? What will you become if Israel disappears? You will have another Syria or Iraq or another Islamic republic of Iran, which will be called Palestine.
i'm talking about what you just said. i could be wrong but i get the imprssion that the younger generation of israeli's might be a more liberal and be more accommodating to compromising with the palestenians. the palestenians were the ones who didn't want to compromise before but now the roles are reversed.
Ramallah is nice
So much for being like Rohingyas
Are they all agreed that Palestine is amongst the worst in the region?
I wonder why
and of course you wonder why the little bit peace in the Middle East never
If the Palestinians ruling other Palestinians cannot protect the human rights of their subjects from themselves how is more conflict with Israel going to solve the problem of creating a functioning Palestinian state / society?
All this complaining is tiresome. I can't keep track of who's complaining about what. I'm worried that everyone at that table will pull a knife out on each other.
the young guy who left for the second round needs to shut up and listen
There is no state called palestine. It is called jordan
There should be a state Called a Palestine if the people decided to call Palestine. It is not your business to determine what a state should be called or to whom it should belong.
There is no Palestine
They had many chances for a state of their own, 1937, 1947, 2000, 2008 and each time theArabs refused to negotiate or to take advantage where they could have a state.
John dunce-the barbaric oçcupier is Israel
What does Syria have to do with the occupation of Palestine ?! Unless you are trying to change the subject ...
There are Palestinian refugee camps in Syria and Lebanon who fled during the wars.
Now you know
@zaxx19 Arafat's parents were Palestinian and Abbas was born in Safad :)
3 states + Jerusalem as something else under UN rule
IZRAPAL WITHOUT THE ILLEGAL APARTHEID AND FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IS THE ANSWER.
🇲🇹❤️☘ XIXXA
I‘m for Tunmaltia
Three states
Good move
Linah Alsaafin the young women with a headscarf has actually lived in the U.K
One state, two systems administration.
Yes one state and one identity under whatever name but sort of fully federal administrative state..
And also with no Jewish or Muslim privileges.
not going to work. cuz the arab world nearby is at bay cuz of israel's military might. once it becomes one state the same problems will crop up again.
The flag is a Pan-Arab flag same as Jordan cosmetic change
a democratic state no a Jewish democratic sate
in what state do yuou want to transform it
whoa... this person blamed everything on palestinian.
There are thousands of other entities that are more capable of doing that than the Palestinian.
the palestinians in israel are represented by their representatives in the knesset.
One state, like South Africa
South Africa had islamic terrorist groups like hamas?
Create a new political party
What made it "their territory?" For the prior 400 years it was ruled by Turks, Brits & Jordan. Israel captured it in a defensive war, after Jordan attacked Israel. Does the video assume conquest by war is only legal when Arabs do it?
Wrong again my guy stupid, it wasn't jordan it was the turks, which the land of palestine and was called palestine at that time for the arabs a formally state for the Arabs in the ottoman empire, it was generally known as land of palestine for the arabs in the ottoman, empire it wasn't jordan or ottoman empire, it was a country for arabs which was established under palestnian leadership, and was even dealing with Istanbul and materials dresses all kinds of shipment, and as herzel said the liar that it had no people, when it had a functioning and well knows society in Britain Istanbul and many more.