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When, where, why and how we use Durabond in northern Illinois. Should I always pre-fill with durabond?
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Excellent video!!!! Simple, informative, to the point, no distracting music, very clear instructions...THANK YOU DOCTOR!!!!
ALWAYS ENJOY LISTENING TO YOU...THANKYOU
Thank you I love Dura bond. It works well in an old plastered house where you screen the walls etc. for a base and then top with the easy sand to trowel it out a little. Lime and Guaging will burn floors etc.where the DuraBond and EasySand are so much more user friendly. Great Video !!! Keep up the great work !!
great video very nice the way you explained the differences between products, much appreciate that. i have been trying my hand with plastering, difficult work for a beginner, that is what brought me to tour video. thanks again.
Thanks alot for your video series, you helped me alot! I wish I watched this one before I used durabond for the first time, I mixed it too thick. Again, I really appreciate the videos!
Great information thank you Doctor. It’s appreciated
Love your videos! They're so helpful. Thank you.
the best compund for setting especially bedding tape hands down but you have to make sure you clean everything cause it does set like concrete. no crackimg too
Yes this is good. I been looking for a channel like this for awhile.
Thank so much for your great video
Wow the compression cracking is something I have never herded of. That makes a tone of sense. Good information.
I do a lot of small repair work and prefill my joints with durabond like you do, but for the reason that it makes the tape dry faster.
I finally get the difference between durabond and ez sand, so glad to know thank you!!
I always wondered why my paper tape joints used to blow out and leave a raised line. Very frustrating. Wish we had the internet growing up.
I like to use Dura bond for my corner beads.it makes it so much more durable. But everyone has there own way...good job Ray nice work
Ronnie Smith
I do the same thing
In my 40 yrs doing D/W I have found that the depth of the recess edges will vary you must check all the time or you will be splitting out your flats if you aren’t careful
I use durabond the same way old timer taught me, if you want to speed up the drying time like 5, 20,45, he taught me to add a little plaster Excelerator to you pan to speed up the set up time. Just sprinkle a little bit in. Works great thanks for the videos
I used Dura bond on my living room ceiling where I made beams out of drywall over 33 years ago and there are no marks, no cracks and looks as good as it did when I finished it. Great product. You are 100% correct Ray it is an amazing product just like all the USG products ! Their plasters are very great products too.
great info!
It's amazing to watch a pro just eyeball the mix and then walk through the job site doing his thing at super speed.
Excellent video, very helpful.
When in doubt, Durabond it baby.
I Love Your vids Doc. Thanks
you are the drywall king!!!!
you are def a pro and i am a big fan.... i also do this work for a living and would add something for the DIY people. This guy is highly skilled and his method is sound, however, if you do not have the general dexterity with the tools and the eye for mud levels on a wall ... IF you use DURABOND you will never be able to sand down the high spots and there is a lot more work skim coating a wall to fix that if you dont want the sun showing bulges on your wall in the middle of the day. Just use premixed mud from a bucket if you are doing this for the 1st time. GREAT VIDEO!!! YOU ARE A PRO
very help full i totally should have filled the to points where the drywall come together with durabond instead of reg s joint compound
Best price I found was Menards ship to home can buy 1 bag at a time instead of 60 like another giant store.
The easy sand 5 wil set up in less than 5 depending on the weather.
way to go Ray........next time i'll use durabond.
I never thought about like that I've been doing this ever since I've been 10 I'm 56 so I appreciate that that makes a lot of sense I'm understand why I'm getting cracks now thank you
If I tape with Durabond 90 can I accomplish the prefil requirement on tight joints? And then an hour later 10 box it with Durabond 90 or Easy Sand and then 12 box it with Plus 3 and be ready to sand the next day? Same for corners and bead. The goal is to use hot mud and get a whole house finished in 2 days and ready to paint using bazooka, boxes. I have an Apla-tech air system to feed the boxes and angles. Can they handle Durabond 90 if I work fast and cleanup every hour?
Thanks for sharing
good video. Makes sense prefilling with durabond.
Excellent demonstration. Did not know this factoid. Seems like you do the best for your GC and the customer. Not many of you left out there who take pride in their workmanship. If people want oats that have already been through the horse, they come a little cheaper, but if they want nice fresh green oats🌾 they will have to pay for them.🤔
Ray, it may help to explain that in the Chicago area smooth wall rock came around in the seventies sometime the edges of the rock were rounded and most definitely had to be prefilled with Duro 90. I don’t know if you recall that the durobond back then was pink in color and heated up in the pan noticeably and was even harder than today’s duro I knew guys that used it as bondo for Auto body work my self included !
Me too but I've finished homes with SW board TE board with and without durabon and the settlement cracks were every where when I didn't use it.
I use the durabond to tape joint seams with heavy duty mesh ..at least 2 just filling the joint thsn i went to regular mudd whaat u think about that ...
Awesome skill. Love watching, God bless
Do you always Pre-fill your joints before you take
Can you use the Durabond 90 for spraying texture? I ask because I've used a different product in the past but I'm helping a guy out and I told him to get the product I wanted but instead he got the Durabond 90. Now I'm concerned because I'm unfamiliar w/ the product.
Is there any way to paint drywall repair the same day?
Wow thank you drywall doctor
I was told Doc the harder it is the more it will crack for durabond, but regular compound has elasticity and it stretches so in the long run which will stand
That would be true if it was on the surface but you're not skimming with durabond 90 also pick up a piece of the dried mud that's supposed to be soft and try to flex it it'll just break
Durabond sounds like fixall once it drys you wont be able to sand it at all..
Omg I never thought of it that way. Wow
So should I prefill all the joints with durabond?
Is durabond 90 able to dry in 90 to get another coat of mud on after
Love finding videos with people who actually know what they’re talking about
On your taping angles and seams video you taped the angles/corners without prefilling. Should you leave angles free from durabond prefill all the time, or is it a case by case basis?
Thank you very much for the reply! I'm relatively new to the taping/mudding profession and your videos are awesome. Thank again.
I like Durabond as well. Do you ever use mesh tape and durabond together? If you do, you can skip taping after applying the filling step.It will go right through the little squares on the mesh tape and fill most gaps if they are not too large. Thanks
Fantastic! I like the 8 inch being used.
i'm gonna send this quote out of context to your wife
I’ve recently started using an 8” knife gotta day I like it a bit more then the 6” knife
Yes, Easy sand is not easy to sand!!
Hey you brought up my question, you use an 8" knife and it looks like the durabond is almost dry before putting the tape. To me I would for sure make a crown. I'm guessing you're applying enough pressure that the knife is bending in a little bit to still have a slight bevel. Thanks for the video. Informative
I agree. If you kill the bevel with durabond, how do you not crown? The bevel is the difference between flats and butts. You need it to accept the tape and not crown out.
all due respect, my boss who has been taping for over 30 years always uses easy sand to pre-fill butt joints and seams. Never has had an issue otherwise we would not be using it. While I do agree that the easy sand is indeed not easy to sand, we still use it to second coat a patch if we're in a pinch. is using Dura Bond a personal preference or a superior product to easy sand?
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 thank you for your input. And yes I would not use Dura Bond as a second coat because it would be impossible to sand. That's why in a pinch I use easy sand. Thanks again! I really enjoy watching your videos. You are a true consummate professional
You sure are skilled with a trowel!
So first you fill in the seams remove excess then when do you tape? Do you apply a second coat and then tape? Some people apply thick mud and tape right away ? Please clarify.
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Prefill ceiling also?
great advice. what's better for use with crack tape on vertical drywall stress/load cracks above and below windows? dura or easy sand? thanks you.
How long is the Wall does it need a control joint?
Durabond is AWESOME but never mix more than you can trowel out in about 20 minutes or you will be chiseling it out of the bucket. I generally mix 1 part water to 2 parts Durabond. As for sanding it's not made to be a finish coat but yes you CAN sand it with moderate effort.
The right way vs wrong way. Always dura bond fist. Its even helpful on small plaster repairs.
What if I can't find or buy durabond in my area? Or, what else can I use? Can I Just use tape with all-purpose mud? Then go with topping mud or hot mud after?
Ok cool. Thanks a lot guys!! I really appreciate it!! 👍
How are you getting 1.5hr setting time for Durabond 90? How you doing this? My Durabond 90 sets in 30 minutes, super clear cold water, mixed it with drill just like you…maybe I’m mixing longer
Sometimes it's the minerals in the water that created the accelerator for the Durabon I've had that happen in different homes with well water
So do you pre fill let it dry and then go back and put tape over?
Yes
Do you just fill all the horizontal seams because of the crush factor? Seems pointless to fill the lid joints. Also, it would be nice if crews could hang wallboard tight. No need to prefill.
I've seen some sloppy work.
1/8” gap between boards is ideal for prefilling.
Sloppy work is boards hung tight together or larger than 1/8”.
Hot mud is like sanding a brick .lol
I notice home depot has stopped selling the true durabond. I used the non durabond 45 o. My kitchen remodel. Do you think it will be ok, replaced 6 sheets of drywall .
Yes
Do use Dura bond on the ceiling thanks for the great videos
You answered my question by the end thanks
can't you fill the crack and tape at the sane time saving a step?
If not why?
If you have a few guys to help. Otherwise you wont get far pre-filling and taping by yourself without multiple batches. At least not me ;)
Do you prefill and tape in the same step? Like, do you prefill, and then while the prefill is still wet tape over that?
No most of the jobs I do it takes me an hour or so just to prefilled the house before I can start taping so I always wait until the Durrabond sets up before I start taping with all purpose
First time commenting, I have 2 things to say,
1. I appreciate your videos, thank you.
2. Do you pre-fill inside corners as well?
No not usually only if there's a big gaps and I have enough after the seams and butt joints
Do you ever get a coat of finish on that Durabond 90 in the same day, Say 4 hrs later. OR do you wait till the next day.
Yes small jobs I will tape and top with durabond and skim with +3
I wish I could share this with every Mud guy in the world , I’ve only met 2 other finishers who pre fill
S.Roberts i dont prefill because you dont have to if you fucking blend the mud. Done in 1 coat shrink goes down to almost 0.
Quick reflexes. ☺️
If you fill the cracks or seams with Durabond, why would you still have to tape. All-purpose mud shrinks so you have to apply tape and re-coats, but it sounds like the Durabond drys pretty hard. Thanks.
Watch again I explained why I tape
Personally, I can’t hammer a nail straight, that being said I have a mud question. If you wanted to apply the mud to wall as a sort of bas relief type sculpture, which mud would you use? Which one is strong enough to build up layers to make wall art? I have one started as an experiment but it sands really easy. Makes me question if it’s durable enough. I’m using Dap all purpose joint compound now.
I think I would use a lightweight quick set they make them in 120 minutes 200 and some odd minutes
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 Thank you!
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 Hey I also heard people use durabond 90 over the screws to prevent them from popping out. Is this something you'd recommend?
No that's a myth it's not going to stop the screw from popping if it's going to pop it's going to pop
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 Okay good to know and thanks for the reply.
@thedrywalldoctor YES YOU CAN SAND DURABOND......YES YOU CAN SAND DURABOND......Use Fibafuse not paper tape.....when durabond dries, use the craftsman MESH 220 hook and loop sanding disc with an orbital sander.....It sands completely smooth !
I have never seen anyone prefill with durabond. Seems like you would have to charge alot more for that added step.
This stuff gets hard. I put is on sloppy and regretted the hell out of it.
If you pre fill the seams wouldn’t it now be like a butt joint because the seams are beveled and u fill it in so now u have to float it out more than usual?
No you don't fill the seam flat you pre fill the seam tight and just fill the crack.
How thick can you put durabond on without it cracking over time?
You have to tape over durabon so keep it thin
Ray, do me a favor, measure from the finish clg to the floor. If it is 96 1/2" the studs have not shrunk. I lived in CA most of my life and am a retired carpenter. I have never seen studs shrink lengthwise. Durabond may stop beading I don't doubt that. I doubt that it works the way you think.
Here in the northern part of Illinois I have seen a 2 by 12 shrink in excess of three quarters of an inch length ways not in width but in length. the two-by-fours shrink so much in the stairwells that the drywall bulges out an inch.
We have to leave a half inch Gap at the floor to accommodate for shrinkage
Rapid set compounds are plaster not drywall mud.....more similar to plaster of paris...
I suppose you could add accelerators to taping mud or and I've done this is mix rapid set with topping compound....you get hardener and glue with sandability of topping mud....ratio of the mix varies depending on what your looking to do
We should do a video together
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 I would fir sure...lmk
I wondered why he treats taper joints like a but joint in other vids....I see now, he fills the taper when prefilling😳...
Do you also tape the joints after the DUROBOND?
Yes
ray if you go through the effort of mixing durabond and prefilling the seams might as well just mesh tape them then then dont have to paper tape them just a thought i never felt the need to prefill but i get the concept and i love durabond and ez sand which to me is the same neither are sandable i guess the ez sand u have more time to play with it after it sets where as durabond pretty much a rock after the set time. question you even spread veneer plaster or do blue board?
Just understand that that particular house took 10 -500 foot rolls of tape to tape it prefilling it and putting the fiberglass mesh on still would have taken forever and it would have cost so much more one roll of fiberglass mesh which I don't even think is 250 ft is double or triple the amount of a 500 foot roll of tape
I have also gone into many houses were they just did fiberglass mesh on the seams and every seam cracked
So you don’t recommend sticking mesh on and goin over it with durabond or ez sand?
Only for certain patches not for a complete drywall finish job
You got that right.
You can't hang rock until the lumber can pass the moisture meter test by the inspector at least in Washington and Oregon and sometimes its required to frame with kiln dried studs to speed up the process and eliminate the need for using heaters and dehumidifiers and fans so would you bother using durabond in that situation because in 26 years as a framer I've never seen a mud & tape crew do that or prefill but it's also the same company that hangs the rock so everything is tight and no need for it
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 but at the beginning of the video you said you use it because of the moisture in the lumber and when it dries and contracts you'll get cracks settling is a different situation and I just curious as to why someone would use durabond and add more work if the lumber was completely dry and I'm sure that durabond wouldn't hold up if settling was an issue I've seen foundations develop cracks up to an inch wide on houses I've had to jack up, stabilize and repair the foundation on so on houses like that would it be a good idea to use durabond for the patch work I used 20 min as a base coat and it was good but I don't know if it stood the test of time have you had to do any of that type of repair and what did you use if so just curious not trying to be dick
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 Touche the humidity is ridiculous at times I was wondering what do you do on butt joints since you have 2 rows of screws in one stud it would double the chance for cracking when the stud shrinks wouldn't it I've had more issues with butt joints cracking then the horizontal joints I've thought about leaving a small gap to fill but haven't tried it to see if it would make a difference just wondering if you've had that happen and what would you do to stop that from happening
So all drywall butt joints must be pre-filled with durabond first, before taping? You seem like you know what you're doing and I believe you. I'm just a home DIY guy. But it's amazing that none of the other youtube channels that I've seen do this or even talk about the need for it:
Home RenoVision DIY
Vancouver Carpenter
HouseImprovements
etc.
If they do, and I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. From what I've seen, the other youtube channels just fill and tape with quick setting or all purpose joint compound.
If you're taping with hot mud there's no need to pre-fill but if not you're right nobody else does it and they should
The good guys do pre-fill. Vancouver Carpenter teaches this way too. I learned the hard way. My ceiling joints cracked because I didn't prefill and used mesh tape instead of paper. Paper tape is best.
If Durabond is as strong as cement once you fill the crack with it why do you need to tape it. Surely the crack wont show ever as it is so strong? Couldn't you just mud straight over it no tape?
Oh, ok makes sense. Thanks. Love all your videos.
It's a fortifier, you can get it at HD and Lowes usually used for strengthening cement or grout
You can sand dura bond, it cures hard as rock but can be sanded, I know because I put it on everything.
Yeah but the lightweight setting compound sands easier and plus three Sands really easy just dusts off I don't like to sand I like to just dust things off and be done
Can you prefill using general purpose mud?
We did in AZ but I wasn't in charge. I wouldn't recommend it.
have been taping for 40 years and never have had to use durabond to fill the joints to stop cracking. I also worked 4 years fixing cracks after a major earthquake, and their is no taping compound or concrete filler that can stand up to a 7.0 quake . he must be getting paid to say that you have to use durabond to stop cracking. Good try through
Sounds to me like a man who cares about what he does for a living. To many yahoos out there doing shitty work just to get that check. A little integrity goes along way. If you're not going to do your job right, then why do it at all.
@@michaelburkhart4550
need more apprentices
Its a regional issue, where he lives there is very high frost and humidity and the wood they use is shit, so they get a lot of expansion and contraction. Durabond is kind of a regional product as well. I've never had to prefill for Nevada/California/Arizona, but i'd do it depending on the site and what conditions are existing. I've actually seen an absurd amount of joints crack on every joint in a project I was just on recently in a very humid location, so it does happen, and it was a commercial job as well, fairly new.....
Your dead wrong about the duro and I’ve got many more years than you in fact I worked with Ray in the eighties best taper I’ve known and ya even reinforced concrete won’t hold up to a quake no brainer
The Doc does a great job, and does the work with attention to detail quality ,honesty, and integrity alot of workers cant say that. Realistically you wont get every crack or keep things from cracking long after your work is done. So many factors go into this starting with what soil the building or home sits on. I heard of situations where the homes or buildings were built on previous landfill areas or places where the soil was sinking. Areas also with alot of ground movement these structures move, and shift during settling sometimes for years. Another factor is the work done in front of you everything from the foundation, framing, sheetrocking if alot of that is shoddy work it makes it that much tougher for your work to be top quality the materials used, and the good job can only guarantee so much.
Would you tape with your 90? Or just a drywall compound?
Smaller jobs under 10 sheets I will, most of my jobs are 30+ 12' sheets now and before that 400 12' sheets or more.
@@THEDRYWALLDOCTOR1 thank you for the information
Looks to me that I learned how not to do it very sloppy way to lose
Do you do a bond and then do the tape And what kind of tape
I use paper
I'm currently using sheetrock as my setting compound. What benefits does durabond have over sheetrock?
I only cut out and pre fill my butt joints with durbond
So using easy sand 90 is a bad idea???
No if that's what you always use keep using it it's better than nothing. But easy sand 90 is not durabond.
I live in Texas and I only show Lowe’s selling durabond, but you got to buy it online and a whole pallet worth, which is nonsense. What the hell am I missing here? Both big box stores making it seem like it’s liquid gold....
Liverpool RED 210 I am in North Texas and was able to order from Ace Hardware. I picked it up in store a week later for around $12. For 1 bag.
l holland thanks for that reminder. I always forget to check Ace. There aren’t many of them around in San Antonio.
Goat status
I work for a company an they want let me prefill anymore bc we dont have time lol. Hurry hurry money money an prefill is time an time is money
Yup same.
Only add water once mixing
You use durabond original if you don't need to sand first layer then use use plus three
It's to soft it will not hold up to what the real durabons is made for.