Focussing on race in NZ is unhelpful given we are all now mixed, and there are so many migrants. We should all be equal before the law, have the same rights, and welfare etc should be based on need. In other words, no one is any more special than anyone else.
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi. Let's call for a UK Royals Principles Bill.
@@georgeorwell6869 Did you read my comments or are you just hoping that colonial perception is correct. Pomare is the 3rd signatory from the top. Can't miss it. Couldn't find Orwell but then I'm not using a pretend alias. It's the same as the conspiracy of Māori killing off Moriori being debunked decades ago. Keep up my racist friend.
“A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom… a society that puts freedom first will end up with both greater freedom and greater equality”
Need to ban smoking and vaping. Heavily increase tax on alcohol. Ban sale of alcohol before 10am. Create a sugar tax. Create a fast food tax. These would dramatically improve health of maori and non maori in New Zealand. Subsidise farmers and growers so they can make a dollar while being ripped off from supermarkets.
If somehow I can identify as a Māori, I would, you know why, because I can get preferential treatment. I work for a public sector organisation. Everything being equal, the Māori candidate gets the job. Maori staff members can apply for a special allowance that white or Asian people cant' get.... this is what the Act party is trying to fix.
Why, it will be freed up of course because targeting specific health programs at the specific needs of different demographics is the most efficient and effective way to apply medical prevention and early intervention so that less people end up in the ED.
@Kereru So additional funding to specific ethnicities for early interventions, that could work if done well I guess. Would that also apply to acute conditions, where medical attention is needed? How does one prove which ethnicity they are? Wondering also what the unintended consequences will be too. Thank you for taking the time to reply. 😊
@@Kereru demographics? Is that your way saying of ethnicity? Do you think everyone is low IQ or something? The demographics for targeting health needs is a no brainer - sick people.
If inequalities exist in a society, (they do for people including Māori in New Zealand) and you remove the ability for equitable action to take place, you are simply locking those inequalities in place or dooming them to get worse. An existing principle of te Tiriti is equity. The proposed project principles would remove it.
All health professionals have an oath not to discriminate according to gender, religious beliefs, ethnic race etc. By considering need as talked about in the very last part of the clip, that will pick up the different needs of different groups, e.g. Māori, Indian and pacifica are the highest users of dialyses Therefore those groups need targeted intervention whatever that may be.
Maori are over represented in the stats, they have overall worse health comes compared to Pakeha (many Maori work blue collar jobs). Even if the system did switch over to 'needs based', Maori have the most needs. If we want Maori to have better health outcomes as well as saving money, the Maori health authority were working towards achieving that (and by the way, Maori health centres also treat non-Maori). It encouraged Maori to seek out preventative care.
"they have overall worse health comes compared to Pakeha " No they don't. Since 1840 the descendants of pre-colonial natives have gained 50 years of life expectancy; while we Anglo Saxons have only gained 25. That's not worse by any measure.
There are very few full blooded Maori . They are all mixed . More decisions on the kind advocated by Macready will be helpful and a desire to change is paramount . One can take the horse to the water but one cannot make it drink if it does not want to ! These Wahine should be having Hui’s in the marae and promoting public health . Money is not going to change things but education and understanding about health will help a long way .
Here's an idea, if you want a treaty principles bill then you and your mates pay for it. I don't want it, its not even good enough to use as toilet paper. The almost 300 thousand people who signed the petition against the bill don't want it *more than the number of people that voted for ACT*.
As a six generation new zealander, you are missing the elephant in the room genetically, maori, as a race is running out of time. How many pure blood maori are there I watched my uncles, aunts, and cousins be crippled by TB and other European diseases, The maori population after 1840 to 1900 dropped from 80,000 to 42, 000 There will be a point in time I inter breeding will dilute the maori blood line to A level where the maori genetic problems will be reduced ,there has been too many god children And l been to too many unveilings
As a 28th generation maori and a 3rd generation dutch,Blood percentage doesn't. There is a saying in maori that translates roughly to blood is blood, no matter the thickness. I think you have missed another elephant in the room in regards to the treaty, if maori are lacking on time as you say then how about addressing the 184 years of not honoring agreements? A century or two of being malnourished will do things to any people.
@drednorzt A made-up culture. Pre colonization were a stone age tribal warrior culture. No written language, still using sticks and stones for tools and weapons. There was no nation wide maori language until the 20th century, just different tribal dialect. Absolutely nothing of maori culture pre European sentiment is relevant in a modern multi cultural society.
@@andrewchristison2575 The actually management of resources and the land for a start. As for your theory on culture and so called advancement, suggest a study of history and human development. Reasons behind colonization and methods used / impacts worldwide make for good reading as well.
@@andrewjones9893 Colonisation has lifted Maori out of the stone age and increased life expectancy substantially. Without colonisation Maori would be extinct
Brilliant! So eloquently put. All three of you wahine explain it about as simply as it gets.
I agree. They are simpletons with simply thinking.
Focussing on race in NZ is unhelpful given we are all now mixed, and there are so many migrants. We should all be equal before the law, have the same rights, and welfare etc should be based on need. In other words, no one is any more special than anyone else.
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi. Let's call for a UK Royals Principles Bill.
Sovereignty ceded Article 1 Honour the treaty
@@georgeorwell6869 Did you read my comments or are you just hoping that colonial perception is correct. Pomare is the 3rd signatory from the top. Can't miss it. Couldn't find Orwell but then I'm not using a pretend alias. It's the same as the conspiracy of Māori killing off Moriori being debunked decades ago. Keep up my racist friend.
@@djpomare facts don't make me racist...you on the other hand..🙄
@@georgeorwell6869 I offer facts, and you offer opinion under a pretentious name. I'm with you, let's honour Te Tiriti.
@@djpomare same here...sovereignty ceded
If you think the government can give you tinorangatiratanga then you never had it in the first place
May I ask WHO has the brain capacity to think this?
“A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom… a society that puts freedom first will end up with both greater freedom and greater equality”
Given the information that came out from those who have been in our Government care NO CHILD what ever COLOUR has been safe. May love be with us all.
Need to ban smoking and vaping. Heavily increase tax on alcohol. Ban sale of alcohol before 10am. Create a sugar tax. Create a fast food tax. These would dramatically improve health of maori and non maori in New Zealand. Subsidise farmers and growers so they can make a dollar while being ripped off from supermarkets.
That would be a purported breach of the Treaty of Waitangi.. bet my bottom dollar on that.
If somehow I can identify as a Māori, I would, you know why, because I can get preferential treatment. I work for a public sector organisation. Everything being equal, the Māori candidate gets the job. Maori staff members can apply for a special allowance that white or Asian people cant' get.... this is what the Act party is trying to fix.
Being Māori is like being a catholic. You break those cardinal rules and you’re not going to heaven.
What she is saying is Maori need special rights to beable to function in life. We all know that already you only have yo look around you to see that.
Yes mam, a pretend justice. Go off Tuahine 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Health access based on ethnicity not based on needs? How will the triage system work?
Why, it will be freed up of course because targeting specific health programs at the specific needs of different demographics is the most efficient and effective way to apply medical prevention and early intervention so that less people end up in the ED.
@Kereru So additional funding to specific ethnicities for early interventions, that could work if done well I guess. Would that also apply to acute conditions, where medical attention is needed? How does one prove which ethnicity they are? Wondering also what the unintended consequences will be too. Thank you for taking the time to reply. 😊
@@Kereru demographics? Is that your way saying of ethnicity? Do you think everyone is low IQ or something? The demographics for targeting health needs is a no brainer - sick people.
If inequalities exist in a society, (they do for people including Māori in New Zealand) and you remove the ability for equitable action to take place, you are simply locking those inequalities in place or dooming them to get worse.
An existing principle of te Tiriti is equity. The proposed project principles would remove it.
All health professionals have an oath not to discriminate according to gender, religious beliefs, ethnic race etc. By considering need as talked about in the very last part of the clip, that will pick up the different needs of different groups, e.g. Māori, Indian and pacifica are the highest users of dialyses Therefore those groups need targeted intervention whatever that may be.
Maori are over represented in the stats, they have overall worse health comes compared to Pakeha (many Maori work blue collar jobs). Even if the system did switch over to 'needs based', Maori have the most needs. If we want Maori to have better health outcomes as well as saving money, the Maori health authority were working towards achieving that (and by the way, Maori health centres also treat non-Maori). It encouraged Maori to seek out preventative care.
"they have overall worse health comes compared to Pakeha " No they don't. Since 1840 the descendants of pre-colonial natives have gained 50 years of life expectancy; while we Anglo Saxons have only gained 25. That's not worse by any measure.
You are missing the rights of anyone who is non Māori.
The answer to the question is NO. The Treaty Principles Bill is not workable in any public sector. Its a waste of $4 million.
Reasoning by assertion is unpersuasive.
There are very few full blooded Maori .
They are all mixed .
More decisions on the kind advocated by Macready will be helpful and a desire to change is paramount .
One can take the horse to the water but one cannot make it drink if it does not want to !
These Wahine should be having Hui’s in the marae and promoting public health .
Money is not going to change things but education and understanding about health will help a long way .
Here's an idea, if you want a treaty principles bill then you and your mates pay for it. I don't want it, its not even good enough to use as toilet paper. The almost 300 thousand people who signed the petition against the bill don't want it *more than the number of people that voted for ACT*.
What a load of crap.....
As a six generation new zealander, you are missing the elephant in the room genetically, maori, as a race is running out of time. How many pure blood maori are there
I watched my uncles, aunts, and cousins be crippled by TB and other European diseases,
The maori population after 1840 to 1900 dropped from 80,000 to 42, 000
There will be a point in time I inter breeding will dilute the maori blood line to
A level where the maori genetic problems will be reduced ,there has been too many god children
And l been to too many unveilings
Its not about blood. Its about culture.
As a 28th generation maori and a 3rd generation dutch,Blood percentage doesn't. There is a saying in maori that translates roughly to blood is blood, no matter the thickness. I think you have missed another elephant in the room in regards to the treaty, if maori are lacking on time as you say then how about addressing the 184 years of not honoring agreements? A century or two of being malnourished will do things to any people.
@drednorzt
A made-up culture.
Pre colonization were a stone age tribal warrior culture.
No written language, still using sticks and stones for tools and weapons.
There was no nation wide maori language until the 20th century, just different tribal dialect.
Absolutely nothing of maori culture pre European sentiment is relevant in a modern multi cultural society.
@@andrewchristison2575 The actually management of resources and the land for a start. As for your theory on culture and so called advancement, suggest a study of history and human development. Reasons behind colonization and methods used / impacts worldwide make for good reading as well.
@@andrewjones9893 Colonisation has lifted Maori out of the stone age and increased life expectancy substantially. Without colonisation Maori would be extinct