In a "Te Ao with Moana" video it would be great to learn what a wide range of Māori want from the treaty/principles, as opposed to what a few don't want?
Co-governance is in the treaty. Brits replaced rangatiratanga (run by local chiefs) into sovereignty (run by UK royals). The treaty house was set on fire but the treaty document still exists showing the details along with its burnt frayed edges. We've tried the colonial system for a hell of a long time and now is the time to give the actual documented deal a fair go.
its irrelevant, all only words, sovereignty isn't what you people think it is. It doesnt mean you will get your own rules and suddenly be allowed to do what you want 😂
@@djpomare erm ok, you are aware that there were loads of people already living here at the point the treaty was penned in the 1840s colonisation was already well under way, in fact the french were quite interested in another colony themselves, but you would know all this if you read a decent history book...and na, you will fight anyone the establishment tells you to if you get drafted, its as simple as that
@@djpomare 24th generation? really, so your saying that your family line started 24 generations ago? What did your Whānau just drop here out of a UFO 🤣 🤡 You know why there's no pun blooded maori left after only 20 odd generations? There *never was* any pure blooded maori here, the red hair gene, that was already here prior to cook and co arriving proved that. This is why they wanted all the heads back, they knew if they were dna tested it would show european genetic lineage already existed. Europeans were here first. Period.
When have we ever truly been a collective "we" in New Zealand? Throughout our history, Māori have been repeatedly marginalised. Our people fought in wars alongside Pākehā, yet did not receive the same respect and privileges upon returning. So, please be mindful of your words. This country has always been divided, and it is the Pākehā who have consistently kept Māori apart.
@@NNM5844 Maori went from savage to civilised in less than a hundred years thanks to settlers. Many thousands of years of wars , hardships and suffering , leading to civilised thought. 100 yrs . Maori should be extremely grateful. Your comments are rubbish , inaccurate and untrue. Maori youth deserted their culture in the 60s and become WE. This I know . I was there.
Le système capitaliste divisent pour mieux piller les richesses des peuples du monde entier. Ils se nourris des crises des guerres des morts. Il faut rester uni et se battre contre le mal qui dévore l'humanité toute entier. Ne jamais baissé les bras. La culture MAORI est plus importent pour l'humanité que leurs système égoîte 💚✊🙏 KIA ORA TE AO MAORI✊✊✊✊✊🙏🙏🙏
@@joebloggs2862 nope you are divided by doing so don’t see maori divided at all it is yous that have a problem with te tiriti o waitangi its yous opposing some legal binding documents that makes maori to be on the right side of the law if yous had such documents maori would honour your legal documents easy has that Professor Margaret Mutu she explains what te tiriti is all about but obviously🙄through the arrogance yous are labouring failing or blinded to the truth
I agree, the treaty principles were created by the Lange govt. ACT want the principles defined bc they are currently used to leverage inequality. 🤷♂ sounds reasonable to me.
I don't agree with the principles being slipped in etc but just to be clear, there are not really two parties to the treaty any more imo, just one country and it's citizens who came together because of that weird document.
it would make sense to ask the common citizen rather than interviewing politicians who have a clear bias maybe go to some small towns and interview locals
She said there is a companion piece next week and eludes to speaking with conservative Pākehā, immigrants etc. still maybe not common citizen as you say but clearly another voice on the matter
It is a pity this episode didn't display and discuss the the Maori version of the ToW articles (as translated by Sir Hugh Kawharu on the ToW Tribunal website): The first - The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land. The second - The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures. But on the other hand the Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent. The third - For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the Government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England. It doesn't require a law degree or deep knowledge of anything to understand what these words mean.
Good on you David. Same rights, same responsibilities, irrespective of one's race. The notion that you can take stuff from one race group of people and hand it to another and expect things are going to go well is delusional.
Yes exactly, that's what the New Zealand colonial government did to Māori and iwi from the 1840s. Māori had their property and cultural rights recognised in Te Tiriti o Waitangi. The crown (aka as the New Zealand government) then breach their responsibilites under Te Tiriti to confiscate and take property from Māori. So these breaches are recognised as fact. As you have indicated David is delusional.
You are right. It didn't go well at all. The wisdom and harmony with the land, sky water and wildlife was destroyed and we have struggled ever since to manage the destruction caused by pakeha. It has gone so badly that we struggle to repair the damage done- in every area of life here. It is the greatest shame ... the slaughter of forests, the pollution and pests... the disease and cruelty inflicted on the indigenous people... the involvement in war and killing others... the deliberate trampling on a beautiful people, language and culture. I began reading the Tuhoe settlement several years ago. It started with a long list of acknowledgements made by the Crown. I felt so physically sick that I couldn't continue. Luckily, the children of today are learning about the history of these islands. These children have a hope of not turning out like you and Mr Seymour. I see tikanga being incorporated in the cultures of school environments. Finally our people get to experience a very small piece of sharing, looking out for eachother and including everyone equally. I have watched my sister who married an Englishman. Her children are all about competition and winning. Every day of my life, I cannot believe my fortune, being jn place where I have the strongest, most beautiful language and culture at my doorstep. I am at kindergarten level and have a lot to learn, but Mr Seymour is a baby and has no idea...he isn't even aware that as a white supremacist, deliberately trampling on the desires and intentions of ancestors... he is insulting many people and is up against a huge, huge movement of strong resistance. I hope you both learn something so you can stop thinking the ignorant things you think and share...and so you stop embarrassing yourself and offending others. It took very many generations for the crown to acknowledge their theft, trauma, murder and destruction and to work together. There is hope for your family too, as well my descendants.
pakeha built the country, roads, hospitals, schools brought horses and pigs. maybe maori should leave find a new land you only arrived like 100 years before europeans thats nothing in history@@barbsmart7373
@timtan2023hiyffg Europeans have also been killing and warring with each other for thousands of years. The 100 year war between France and England, WW1 and WW2....and the list goes on....so how come you don't know European history? What are cherry picking today?
Te tiriti is a Maori lie, the Maori " version " dosen't have a different meaning to Hobsons treaty document but is a copy meaning it's a " translation " the interpretation that Maori will have you believe isn't the same translation it meant 185years ago, Maori written language was in its infancy compared to today's understanding. Maori culture is full of lies trying to reinvent history, a huge cover up of the truth (actual history events) about the treaty by the 1975 Labour and consecutive governing governments have lead to discrimination, racism and devision of our once United country.
Kia pua atu te reo tuatahi o te whenua nei, te reo Māori; kia kaha te kotahitanga Māori, Kia kaha te kotahitanga o te iwi o Aotearoa hoki. Ka taea e tātou nge mea é rua!
The Google Translation of my last post: " Let the first language of this country, te reo Māori, flourish; May the unity of Māori be strong, May the unity of the people of New Zealand be strong. We can do both!"
Bro, it seems to me language is a funny thing, it has an immense amount of psychological and cultural power, eh.....I was born in Wales, brought up in BC, Canada, till 13, then arrived in NZ in 1965, as an immigrant...permanent so it works out, bro, coz' my body will end up here, along with both my parents, and my long lost departed closest (in age) brother, and my other four siblings, two of them born here. Because my childhood was spent in Canada, I can more or less easily understand the gist of French when I read it;(but not when hearing it, usually spoken too fast for me, except certain key/trigger words, eh) the deep difference in some languages is immense, eh. OK, when I read Te Reo...it does not come easily to me....yet I have been speaking certain useful words of it ever since I got here in 1965...and they are useful because they express meanings simply and EFFICIENTLY that cannot be said practically in any other way...BUT there are lots of other instances where what it is trying to express as a language (beyond it's innate feel) is so much more efficiently (and often, less 'in your face' mana based...??) said in English...but for other situations, I use Te Reo, or French, or Spanish...the evolution of languages , and their commingling and in the long term reciprocal 'fertilizing', or better 'quickening (as in hybrid-vigour) exists at the heart of what it is to be human, too belong, to know where you are....comprehende? Quite frankly, I find that the way Te Reo expresses/describes real world situations/stories over-blown and inefficient verbally ...and in other cases ineffably (indescribably) beautifully poetic and "on the nose"....sorry, but there it is, language is what it is...the essence of what makes us all human....I think maybe it is a mistake to try and force cultural understanding in a population by mandating language usage. Sorry. @@kumamotop
So sad to see so many racists who think they deserve different treatment because of their blood. Sad the media try to blame those rallying against this racism as the racists.
This monetary and Western system is not the way forward for humanity, people are dismantling themselves to try and get rich and just to own a house and a flash car not knowing that their has to be a low class of people to keep the economy running so not everyone can be rich and live a happy life if they spend most of it working for someone. Indigenous people know what direction is good for humanity, all of them around the world have many correlations like our mythology and faculties. This new system has slowly ruined people
Maybe you are right . Then you should give up the western system which has given you a much better life than what you had before. I'm sure your mythology will put food on your table and clothes on your back .
@chriskiwi2601 Yes we are all indigenous to this planet. The people I am mostly referring to are the civilizations before us, the ones who lived by the laws of nature and understood the natural world. Every race of people meaning our ancestors around the entire world had many things in common regardless of color and ethnicity. It is our Mythologies. we all have similar stories of creation and constellations and the timing of seasons when to hunt and plant food according to what stars they observed they knew it was what governed everything on Earth. All the old Civilizations had gods but they were not Gods they were constellations and planets, they may have referred to them as gods because they are above us. There is a bad narrative behind all of this, saying that indigenous people worshipped their God's but it was only to observe their positioning in the solar system a constellation and planetary alignments. To live this way is to live by the laws of the creator or God. If everyone in the world traced their lineage back to this time and researched the origins of their culture you will find a unison between every race of people as well as correlations with our faculties and how we treat each other we all had similar protocols. But there is a bad group of people who have had an agenda to colonize and control every human on this planet and destroying it to the point where we suffer the consequences and argue about minor things. If everyone pulled away from this system and took the time to study what I have said and lived by the laws of nature with the natural world we will grow as a people. I am not a preacher of the bible but according to revelations some of them seem to be coming to fruition and if you study these events they seem to occur during planetary alignments.
So disappointing. Just another weak shallow presentation of the issues. Does more to confuse, misrepresent than enlighten. The appeals to authority are glaring
I'm not confused Maori trying to speak sense to pakeha but no white supremacy prevails,did you know early settler government were actually debating on how to eradicate Maori now if that's not racism Im amazed.
Indeed, there is one Law for all and that is the Declaration of Independence 1835 & Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 and any other Law made by Māori within the meaning of Section 17 of Te Ture Whenua Māori Amendment Act 1994, sub-section (3)
I'll be wiping my comments, the truth hurts aye, in regard to the 1835 Declaration of Independence & Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 o Aotearoa, NZ, it is a deal made and signed by nga Rangatira and the British Crown. The Settlers got the right to govern themselves in 1852, Section 71 says lay off Māori Govern themselves under their own Laws
prove me wrong they re wrote the treaty in 1970s and thats why they want to look at the principles of the treaty nothing wrong with a oublic debate as a nation@@stephenlennon7369
Iwi are a nocturnal flightless bird species, and your interpretation is simply nonsense just like the interpretation of the treaty. The treaty guarantees the protection of the pre existing rights that are the sole and exclusive property of the descendants of the inhabitants of the land when the treaty was proposed.
Blah blah what about health abuse homelessness jail population mental health crime.. People need to take responsibility for their shit in this country!!
The Crown breached the treaty when they murdered and also detained the Original Maori Native Land Court and called them whakarau. While the Maori Native Land Court was detained at Rekohu, the Crown was obtaining lands through the courts, without the whanau and hapu because our Chiefs were detained. How were they able to do this
Yup they are taking my right to our land so it's hard for me to prosper yes I work and I work hard but if my land was given back I would be able to provide for my wider family
...in Article 2 they gave the Queen the pre-emptive Right or first Right to purchase lands before all others, or the first Right to refuse, to the sale of any Māori land in Aotearoa, NZ however, Māori have not done that to date, and the Queen has not purchased one inch of soil in NZ. Preamble Sections 2,4,& 5 of Te Ture Whenua Māori Land Act 1993/94
Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 (TOW) is an amendment to the 1835 Declaration of Independence o Aotearoa (DOI), on the 6th of Feb 1840 prior to the signing of TOW nga Rangatira excising their powers under Article 2 of DOI made amendments to the TOW, in Article 1 they gave the Queen's Government the Right to make Laws in Aotearoa (Privy Council) .......
Māori to quote the words of Lord Normanby Standing Orders of 1839, "Whose title to the soil and to the Sovereignty of New Zealand is indisputable and has been solemnly...
But the Moriori are the original owners of NZ until the Maori arrived and ate them all. Now NZ belongs to everyone, the Maori should not be getting any special "rights" above anyone else. When are the Moriori getting their country back?
Imagine what'd happen if you took away the amendments of Americans. It's not about skin colour, it's about coexistence and respect for that coexistence. Stop dividing the people, the treaty brought us together, time brought us together, what selfish desire do you have to break us apart again
think about it, if you knew you had the upper hand and got extra handouts wouldnt you be upset if you saw the sun setting on that? 🤷♂ Its obvious as to why the outcry...
The concept of co-governance in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi is largely down to interpretation, as the Treaty itself contains language that can be understood in different ways. This ambiguity stems from differences between the English and Māori versions of the Treaty, as well as evolving interpretations over time. Here’s a breakdown: The Treaty Texts and Ambiguities 1. English Version: Emphasizes the transfer of sovereignty to the British Crown. Promises Māori full possession of their lands, forests, and resources, along with rights as British subjects. 2. Māori Version (Te Tiriti o Waitangi): The term kāwanatanga is used, which is often interpreted as governance but not necessarily full sovereignty. Māori were promised tino rangatiratanga, often translated as absolute chieftainship or self-determination, over their lands, resources, and taonga (treasures). These differences in translation and meaning leave room for debate about the intended balance of power between the Crown and Māori. Co-Governance as a Modern Concept Co-governance isn't explicitly mentioned in the Treaty but has emerged as a framework for honoring tino rangatiratanga while balancing it with the Crown’s kāwanatanga. It reflects attempts to address historical breaches of the Treaty and ensure Māori have meaningful participation in decision-making about resources and governance. Interpretation in Practice Some see co-governance as aligning with the Treaty’s principles of partnership, protection, and participation. Others argue that co-governance is a modern construct not directly derived from the Treaty’s original text. Legal and Political Recognition The Treaty principles, rather than the text itself, guide modern legal interpretations and policies. These principles emphasize partnership between the Crown and Māori, providing a foundation for co-governance in areas like natural resource management and health. Debates around co-governance often hinge on differing views of sovereignty, partnership, and what it means to uphold the Treaty in contemporary New Zealand.
.... recognized by the British Government" And, "......the admission of their Rights....is binding on the faith of the British Crown. (Pre-Emption Article 2 TOW) Māori must not be permitted to enter into any Contracts in which they might be the ignorant and unintentional authors of injuries to themselves.
well 'hapu' depending on which definition of course like most reo means family or maori person and I hate to break it to you but David Seymour is of Ngapuhi descent so wether you like it or not he actually is 😂
@@zweed69David Seymour is an accidental Maori and only claims this lineage to justify his bigotry. We all know he's an Altas tool and is no doubt been compensated accordingly.
In 1840 a "treaty" was signed by a great majority of very wise chiefs! ..over the previous 20 years Maori had fought an AWEFUL GENOCIDAL war which cut population in half.. (actually 500 times what happened to the Jews in germany! ....80M divide 150000...just actual germany) Things were then changed ..slavery & cannabal customs stopped amazing developments occurred but Maori actually survived the leap into a "Modern" world!.... Now 150 years on a few cunning people are using the maori words (like all tribal languages many words can have easily twisted meanings) To claim special advantage....forget the original ENGLISH TERMS. At this time no "PURE" maori exist! reference is made to THE PRINCIPALS OF THE TREATY ...which have NEVER been written! do not believe me do your own study Original writings NOT the vague waffle double speak of recent "historians" ...Do IT!
wonders; What is a Maori?; todays social politics is all identity based, often couched in race, or gender, among other things; so once We know what We’re on about, maybe then We can move on with this discussion; a lot of opinions and unconventional interpretations, by a few creative smarty-pants, however, much ignorance prevails; and no clear and unequivocal solution seems apparent to Te Ao, even though there is; [Cf. Cestui Que Vie Trust 1666, 1707; Law of Nations, DeVattel 1837; Crimes Act 1961, s.9; New Zealand Birth Certificate, WARNING and Caution; Privacy Act 2020, principle 7, 13; Imperial Law Applications Act 1988, Schedule 1; Wills Act 1837, s.3, 2007, s.17; Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017, ss.36-40; Clearfield Doctrine 1943; Bills of Exchange Act 1908];
He Whakaputanga was for every living person who walks the earth, maybe king william iv saw what was coming and this was the protection for all, the He Whakaputanga flag is the lore for everyone, not just maori, 1840 is under queen victoria, ur sovereignty is long gone,
But they've got more tanks and nukes than you, so would it be a fair and equitable partnership?!! Would you discuss any breaches with them and expect a fair outcome? Delusional!!!
Say what you want a out hone harawira but he says exactly whats on his mind. He stands in his truth and sugar coats nothing...🙌🏾
In a "Te Ao with Moana" video it would be great to learn what a wide range of Māori want from the treaty/principles, as opposed to what a few don't want?
Co-governance is in the treaty. Brits replaced rangatiratanga (run by local chiefs) into sovereignty (run by UK royals). The treaty house was set on fire but the treaty document still exists showing the details along with its burnt frayed edges. We've tried the colonial system for a hell of a long time and now is the time to give the actual documented deal a fair go.
its irrelevant, all only words, sovereignty isn't what you people think it is. It doesnt mean you will get your own rules and suddenly be allowed to do what you want 😂
@@zweed69 The words were twisted to achieve colonisation. C'mon NZ colonisation died with Liz. Ask anyone if they would go to war for Kate and Wills.
@@djpomare erm ok, you are aware that there were loads of people already living here at the point the treaty was penned in the 1840s colonisation was already well under way, in fact the french were quite interested in another colony themselves, but you would know all this if you read a decent history book...and na, you will fight anyone the establishment tells you to if you get drafted, its as simple as that
@@zweed69 I'm 24th generation so 1840 seems like yesterday.
@@djpomare 24th generation? really, so your saying that your family line started 24 generations ago? What did your Whānau just drop here out of a UFO 🤣 🤡 You know why there's no pun blooded maori left after only 20 odd generations? There *never was* any pure blooded maori here, the red hair gene, that was already here prior to cook and co arriving proved that. This is why they wanted all the heads back, they knew if they were dna tested it would show european genetic lineage already existed. Europeans were here first. Period.
They and us .
Can anyone see what's wrong .
When have we ever truly been a collective "we" in New Zealand? Throughout our history, Māori have been repeatedly marginalised. Our people fought in wars alongside Pākehā, yet did not receive the same respect and privileges upon returning. So, please be mindful of your words. This country has always been divided, and it is the Pākehā who have consistently kept Māori apart.
@@NNM5844 Maori went from savage to civilised in less than a hundred years thanks to settlers.
Many thousands of years of wars , hardships and suffering , leading to civilised thought.
100 yrs .
Maori should be extremely grateful.
Your comments are rubbish , inaccurate and untrue.
Maori youth deserted their culture in the 60s and become WE.
This I know .
I was there.
@@WayneKilgour-sr5wvwhat a load of rubbish!
@@puawaiherewini5993 Not all Maori.
@@WayneKilgour-sr5wv
load of garbage
We are divided more than ever , it’s visible everywhere.
Le système capitaliste divisent pour mieux piller les richesses des peuples du monde entier. Ils se nourris des crises des guerres des morts. Il faut rester uni et se battre contre le mal qui dévore l'humanité toute entier. Ne jamais baissé les bras. La culture MAORI est plus importent pour l'humanité que leurs système égoîte 💚✊🙏 KIA ORA TE AO MAORI✊✊✊✊✊🙏🙏🙏
@@joebloggs2862
nope you are divided by doing so
don’t see maori divided at all it is yous that have a problem with te tiriti o waitangi its yous opposing some legal binding documents that makes maori to be on the right side of the law if yous had such documents maori would honour your legal documents easy has that
Professor Margaret Mutu she explains what te tiriti is all about
but obviously🙄through the arrogance yous are labouring
failing or blinded to the truth
@@Duckz558there’s no such as word as ‘yous’. The word ‘you’ is singular or plural like sheep.
@@Duckz5581 boiz opinion
There ‘yous’ go again! Correcting us, as if you have the absolute authority to do so!
If we want to use the word ‘yous’ we will!
Superiority complex? What do (not all) but opposed Maori want from this?
Tino Rangatiratanga for all? Yes, lets also pass a law that says that visitors to your home get part ownership in the property. Makes sense.
The Principles of the Treaty 🤔 Never heard of them ... Can one add on to a Legal Document without both Parties involved coming to an Agreement 1st 🤔
I agree, the treaty principles were created by the Lange govt. ACT want the principles defined bc they are currently used to leverage inequality. 🤷♂ sounds reasonable to me.
@@zweed69 Yes i done some research & the Principles were added in 1987 under labour lead by David Lange 🤦🏿♂️
Yeah only some divisive media seem to be confused about this.
Exactly SHE'S 1 OF THEIR PUPPETS, was her career worth it
I don't agree with the principles being slipped in etc but just to be clear, there are not really two parties to the treaty any more imo, just one country and it's citizens who came together because of that weird document.
it would make sense to ask the common citizen rather than interviewing politicians who have a clear bias maybe go to some small towns and interview locals
Yes again , mate...but the whole world is changing radically as we speak, through immigration, even little far-away dream away NZ.....
She said there is a companion piece next week and eludes to speaking with conservative Pākehā, immigrants etc. still maybe not common citizen as you say but clearly another voice on the matter
It is a pity this episode didn't display and discuss the the Maori version of the ToW articles (as translated by Sir Hugh Kawharu on the ToW Tribunal website):
The first - The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land.
The second - The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures. But on the other hand the Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent.
The third - For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the Government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.
It doesn't require a law degree or deep knowledge of anything to understand what these words mean.
Nope
Awesome Moana. Love your mahi for our ppl. Kotahitanga
Good on you David. Same rights, same responsibilities, irrespective of one's race. The notion that you can take stuff from one race group of people and hand it to another and expect things are going to go well is delusional.
Yes exactly, that's what the New Zealand colonial government did to Māori and iwi from the 1840s. Māori had their property and cultural rights recognised in Te Tiriti o Waitangi. The crown (aka as the New Zealand government) then breach their responsibilites under Te Tiriti to confiscate and take property from Māori. So these breaches are recognised as fact. As you have indicated David is delusional.
You are right. It didn't go well at all.
The wisdom and harmony with the land, sky water and wildlife was destroyed and we have struggled ever since to manage the destruction caused by pakeha.
It has gone so badly that we struggle to repair the damage done- in every area of life here.
It is the greatest shame ... the slaughter of forests, the pollution and pests... the disease and cruelty inflicted on the indigenous people... the involvement in war and killing others... the deliberate trampling on a beautiful people, language and culture.
I began reading the Tuhoe settlement several years ago. It started with a long list of acknowledgements made by the Crown.
I felt so physically sick that I couldn't continue.
Luckily, the children of today are learning about the history of these islands.
These children have a hope of not turning out like you and Mr Seymour.
I see tikanga being incorporated in the cultures of school environments. Finally our people get to experience a
very small piece of
sharing, looking out for eachother and including everyone equally.
I have watched my sister who married an Englishman. Her children are all about competition and winning.
Every day of my life, I cannot believe my fortune, being jn place where I have the strongest, most beautiful language and culture at my doorstep.
I am at kindergarten level and have a lot to learn, but Mr Seymour is a baby and has no idea...he isn't even aware that as a white supremacist, deliberately trampling on the desires and intentions of ancestors... he is insulting many people and is up against a huge, huge movement of
strong resistance.
I hope you both learn something so you can stop thinking the ignorant things you think and share...and so you stop embarrassing yourself and offending others.
It took very many generations for the crown to acknowledge their theft, trauma, murder and destruction and to work together. There is hope for your family too, as well my descendants.
how many times can u be compensated for it though? how many times can u sell the same piece of land? payments must stop@@Taonga2u
pakeha built the country, roads, hospitals, schools brought horses and pigs. maybe maori should leave find a new land you only arrived like 100 years before europeans thats nothing in history@@barbsmart7373
@timtan2023hiyffg Europeans have also been killing and warring with each other for thousands of years. The 100 year war between France and England, WW1 and WW2....and the list goes on....so how come you don't know European history? What are cherry picking today?
Te tiriti is a Maori lie, the Maori " version " dosen't have a different meaning to Hobsons treaty document but is a copy meaning it's a " translation " the interpretation that Maori will have you believe isn't the same translation it meant 185years ago, Maori written language was in its infancy compared to today's understanding. Maori culture is full of lies trying to reinvent history, a huge cover up of the truth (actual history events) about the treaty by the 1975 Labour and consecutive governing governments have lead to discrimination, racism and devision of our once United country.
Kia pua atu te reo tuatahi o te whenua nei, te reo Māori; kia kaha te kotahitanga Māori, Kia kaha te kotahitanga o te iwi o Aotearoa hoki. Ka taea e tātou nge mea é rua!
The Google Translation of my last post: " Let the first language of this country, te reo Māori, flourish; May the unity of Māori be strong, May the unity of the people of New Zealand be strong. We can do both!"
Bro,
it seems to me language is a funny thing, it has an immense amount of psychological and cultural power, eh.....I was born in Wales, brought up in BC, Canada, till 13, then arrived in NZ in 1965, as an immigrant...permanent so it works out, bro, coz' my body will end up here, along with both my parents, and my long lost departed closest (in age) brother, and my other four siblings, two of them born here. Because my childhood was spent in Canada, I can more or less easily understand the gist of French when I read it;(but not when hearing it, usually spoken too fast for me, except certain key/trigger words, eh) the deep difference in some languages is immense, eh. OK, when I read Te Reo...it does not come easily to me....yet I have been speaking certain useful words of it ever since I got here in 1965...and they are useful because they express meanings simply and EFFICIENTLY that cannot be said practically in any other way...BUT there are lots of other instances where what it is trying to express as a language (beyond it's innate feel) is so much more efficiently (and often, less 'in your face' mana based...??) said in English...but for other situations, I use Te Reo, or French, or Spanish...the evolution of languages , and their commingling and in the long term reciprocal 'fertilizing', or better 'quickening (as in hybrid-vigour) exists at the heart of what it is to be human, too belong, to know where you are....comprehende? Quite frankly, I find that the way Te Reo expresses/describes real world situations/stories over-blown and inefficient verbally ...and in other cases ineffably (indescribably) beautifully poetic and "on the nose"....sorry, but there it is, language is what it is...the essence of what makes us all human....I think maybe it is a mistake to try and force cultural understanding in a population by mandating language usage. Sorry.
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So sad to see so many racists who think they deserve different treatment because of their blood.
Sad the media try to blame those rallying against this racism as the racists.
Do you have any examples of these racists and the different treatment they want…?
This monetary and Western system is not the way forward for humanity, people are dismantling themselves to try and get rich and just to own a house and a flash car not knowing that their has to be a low class of people to keep the economy running so not everyone can be rich and live a happy life if they spend most of it working for someone. Indigenous people know what direction is good for humanity, all of them around the world have many correlations like our mythology and faculties. This new system has slowly ruined people
Maybe you are right . Then you should give up the western system which has given you a much better life than what you had before. I'm sure your mythology will put food on your table and clothes on your back .
Aren't we all indigenous to NZ?
@chriskiwi2601 Yes we are all indigenous to this planet. The people I am mostly referring to are the civilizations before us, the ones who lived by the laws of nature and understood the natural world. Every race of people meaning our ancestors around the entire world had many things in common regardless of color and ethnicity. It is our Mythologies. we all have similar stories of creation and constellations and the timing of seasons when to hunt and plant food according to what stars they observed they knew it was what governed everything on Earth. All the old Civilizations had gods but they were not Gods they were constellations and planets, they may have referred to them as gods because they are above us. There is a bad narrative behind all of this, saying that indigenous people worshipped their God's but it was only to observe their positioning in the solar system a constellation and planetary alignments. To live this way is to live by the laws of the creator or God. If everyone in the world traced their lineage back to this time and researched the origins of their culture you will find a unison between every race of people as well as correlations with our faculties and how we treat each other we all had similar protocols. But there is a bad group of people who have had an agenda to colonize and control every human on this planet and destroying it to the point where we suffer the consequences and argue about minor things. If everyone pulled away from this system and took the time to study what I have said and lived by the laws of nature with the natural world we will grow as a people. I am not a preacher of the bible but according to revelations some of them seem to be coming to fruition and if you study these events they seem to occur during planetary alignments.
Only from destructive folk who want to deface it, it's fine at Te Papa. Yep there's an ambiguity in that statement.
That was not an accurate English translation
@@catherinevovna851 You mean it was 'doctored' Catherine, who would have thought !! Was it the Tama Iti version.
@@stevehughes1510 UA-cam troll is all over these videos, triggered
@@jamietownsend7545 Angry at the stupidity and greed is your answer.
@@stevehughes1510 Go and get a job if you got nothing else to do troll girl
Why is it every time they get in this s always comes up I'm 62 and they bring this to the table every time they get in
Well do the thing return stolen goods then you'll get come be my neighbor.but no white supremacy prevails.
Distraction from all the shitty policies they bring in.
So disappointing. Just another weak shallow presentation of the issues. Does more to confuse, misrepresent than enlighten. The appeals to authority are glaring
I'm not confused Maori trying to speak sense to pakeha but no white supremacy prevails,did you know early settler government were actually debating on how to eradicate Maori now if that's not racism Im amazed.
Indeed, there is one Law for all and that is the Declaration of Independence 1835 & Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 and any other Law made by Māori within the meaning of Section 17 of Te Ture Whenua Māori Amendment Act 1994, sub-section (3)
I'll be wiping my comments, the truth hurts aye, in regard to the 1835 Declaration of Independence & Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 o Aotearoa, NZ, it is a deal made and signed by nga Rangatira and the British Crown. The Settlers got the right to govern themselves in 1852, Section 71 says lay off Māori Govern themselves under their own Laws
the treaty changed from what it was to something entirely different in the 1970s. time to move on we all kiwis kia kaha
History isn't your best subject
prove me wrong they re wrote the treaty in 1970s and thats why they want to look at the principles of the treaty nothing wrong with a oublic debate as a nation@@stephenlennon7369
Iwi are a nocturnal flightless bird species, and your interpretation is simply nonsense just like the interpretation of the treaty. The treaty guarantees the protection of the pre existing rights that are the sole and exclusive property of the descendants of the inhabitants of the land when the treaty was proposed.
@@SimoneMcAllister-l3h erm, did you mean 'kiwi' 😂 words matter. ironic
do u understand when u sell something ...u dont get it back? @@SimoneMcAllister-l3h
Blah blah what about health abuse homelessness jail population mental health crime..
People need to take responsibility for their shit in this country!!
The Crown breached the treaty when they murdered and also detained the Original Maori Native Land Court and called them whakarau. While the Maori Native Land Court was detained at Rekohu, the Crown was obtaining lands through the courts, without the whanau and hapu because our Chiefs were detained. How were they able to do this
Deighton and Wiremu Kingi were fluent Moriori speakers and the Moriori language has been recorded by Wiremu Kingi and Deighton.
Can anyone please tell me who of the IWI'S of AOTEAROA are underthreat from the Government in regards to the TREATY OF WAITANGI?.
Yup they are taking my right to our land so it's hard for me to prosper yes I work and I work hard but if my land was given back I would be able to provide for my wider family
...in Article 2 they gave the Queen the pre-emptive Right or first Right to purchase lands before all others, or the first Right to refuse, to the sale of any Māori land in Aotearoa, NZ however, Māori have not done that to date, and the Queen has not purchased one inch of soil in NZ. Preamble Sections 2,4,& 5 of Te Ture Whenua Māori Land Act 1993/94
Yes it is, big corporations want to take the land
Yes we need to move forward
Cher
Wrong flag. Why isnt the Declaration of independance flag flying 1835 not 1840. Thats is Tino Rangatiratanga Whakaputanga. 1:47
Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 (TOW) is an amendment to the 1835 Declaration of Independence o Aotearoa (DOI), on the 6th of Feb 1840 prior to the signing of TOW nga Rangatira excising their powers under Article 2 of DOI made amendments to the TOW, in Article 1 they gave the Queen's Government the Right to make Laws in Aotearoa (Privy Council) .......
Leave the treaty alone, leave the reo alone. End of!
We have to repair the one fish. That was the mission of Te Kotahitanga.
Māori to quote the words of Lord Normanby Standing Orders of 1839, "Whose title to the soil and to the Sovereignty of New Zealand is indisputable and has been solemnly...
But the Moriori are the original owners of NZ until the Maori arrived and ate them all. Now NZ belongs to everyone, the Maori should not be getting any special "rights" above anyone else. When are the Moriori getting their country back?
4:56: You should've told the Waitangi Tribunal the same thing, Hone
Time to address Māori land leases in perpetuity eh? If it was Pakeha land you would hear the screams from Reianga to Bluff. PS. I’m Pakeha.
White !! Kaumatua . All dwn east coast and also apparently northland
Imagine what'd happen if you took away the amendments of Americans. It's not about skin colour, it's about coexistence and respect for that coexistence. Stop dividing the people, the treaty brought us together, time brought us together, what selfish desire do you have to break us apart again
There's no "attack" nor is there a battle here, put simply it affords all New Zealanders equality in validity so why destroy the quest to that?
think about it, if you knew you had the upper hand and got extra handouts wouldnt you be upset if you saw the sun setting on that? 🤷♂ Its obvious as to why the outcry...
@@zweed69 yeah rich white people been getting golden handshakes and handouts from the beginning
@@catherinevovna851 I beg your pardon, think you on the wrong thread sir... 🤣
@@zweed69 I personally wouldn't want an unequal access model but I can see how some might feel threatened.
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The concept of co-governance in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi is largely down to interpretation, as the Treaty itself contains language that can be understood in different ways. This ambiguity stems from differences between the English and Māori versions of the Treaty, as well as evolving interpretations over time. Here’s a breakdown:
The Treaty Texts and Ambiguities
1. English Version:
Emphasizes the transfer of sovereignty to the British Crown.
Promises Māori full possession of their lands, forests, and resources, along with rights as British subjects.
2. Māori Version (Te Tiriti o Waitangi):
The term kāwanatanga is used, which is often interpreted as governance but not necessarily full sovereignty.
Māori were promised tino rangatiratanga, often translated as absolute chieftainship or self-determination, over their lands, resources, and taonga (treasures).
These differences in translation and meaning leave room for debate about the intended balance of power between the Crown and Māori.
Co-Governance as a Modern Concept
Co-governance isn't explicitly mentioned in the Treaty but has emerged as a framework for honoring tino rangatiratanga while balancing it with the Crown’s kāwanatanga.
It reflects attempts to address historical breaches of the Treaty and ensure Māori have meaningful participation in decision-making about resources and governance.
Interpretation in Practice
Some see co-governance as aligning with the Treaty’s principles of partnership, protection, and participation.
Others argue that co-governance is a modern construct not directly derived from the Treaty’s original text.
Legal and Political Recognition
The Treaty principles, rather than the text itself, guide modern legal interpretations and policies. These principles emphasize partnership between the Crown and Māori, providing a foundation for co-governance in areas like natural resource management and health.
Debates around co-governance often hinge on differing views of sovereignty, partnership, and what it means to uphold the Treaty in contemporary New Zealand.
No not at all.
Fear system has no control over rover
dump The treaty we need it for the toilets
@JG-us9lu
not realising that your ticket 🎟️ to be here where would you go?
@Duckz558 Could you write something that makes sense.
@@JG-us9lu can’t understand your own lingo?
@@Duckz558 No, just yours.
Rangatira tanga ! = stand like a chief !
.... recognized by the British Government" And, "......the admission of their Rights....is binding on the faith of the British Crown. (Pre-Emption Article 2 TOW) Māori must not be permitted to enter into any Contracts in which they might be the ignorant and unintentional authors of injuries to themselves.
why is your VO not centre panned
Treaty gravy train
Yeah.....nah
No the only gravy train is pakeha stealing our land
@@aperaruapeeta4309 But maori aren't farmers or city builders, that's what's being done with the land.
@@stevehughes1510have a look!!
@@aperaruapeeta4309 lolz whatever get a job and buy your land like everyone else here in the 21st century 🤣
Answer is NO…
Brilliant.
Right at the beginning of the treaty what does it say? “Ki nga rangatira me nga hapu”. You David Seymour are not a rangatira neither are you a hapu.
well 'hapu' depending on which definition of course like most reo means family or maori person and I hate to break it to you but David Seymour is of Ngapuhi descent so wether you like it or not he actually is 😂
@@zweed69- Ēhara Ēhara … tēnā rūkahu tēnā - Kāhore i te Kupu “Hapū” he ōrite i te kupu “whanau”, i te kupu “tangata” raini … Kei te hē koe.
@@zweed69David Seymour is an accidental Maori and only claims this lineage to justify his bigotry. We all know he's an Altas tool and is no doubt been compensated accordingly.
@@1Ma9iN8tive No. YOU are wrong!
Betteridge's Law of Headlines
No in its intended meaning
David Seymour 🤦♀️ Who held a gun to your head?
In 1840 a "treaty"
was signed by a great majority of very wise chiefs! ..over the previous 20 years Maori had fought an AWEFUL GENOCIDAL war which cut population in half.. (actually 500 times what happened to the Jews in germany! ....80M divide 150000...just actual germany) Things were then changed ..slavery & cannabal customs stopped amazing developments occurred but Maori actually survived the leap into a "Modern" world!.... Now 150 years on a few cunning people are using the maori words (like all tribal languages many words can have easily twisted meanings) To claim special advantage....forget the original ENGLISH TERMS. At this time no "PURE" maori exist! reference is made to THE PRINCIPALS OF THE TREATY ...which have NEVER been written! do not believe me do your own study Original writings NOT the vague waffle double speak of recent "historians" ...Do IT!
Aint going to happen.
mut-te-ha ? thoughts
She 80% Caucasian ! But married into ! Hapu Rangatira
BLACK PEARL 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Frankie forehead more like
They're out there need to no your history not 1840 but 1720 to 1840 .A lot happened.
wonders; What is a Maori?;
todays social politics is all identity based, often couched in race, or gender, among other things; so
once We know what We’re on about, maybe then We can move on with this discussion;
a lot of opinions and unconventional interpretations, by a few creative smarty-pants, however, much ignorance prevails; and
no clear and unequivocal solution seems apparent to Te Ao, even though there is;
[Cf. Cestui Que Vie Trust 1666, 1707; Law of Nations, DeVattel 1837; Crimes Act 1961, s.9; New Zealand Birth Certificate, WARNING and Caution; Privacy Act 2020, principle 7, 13; Imperial Law Applications Act 1988, Schedule 1; Wills Act 1837, s.3, 2007, s.17; Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017, ss.36-40; Clearfield Doctrine 1943; Bills of Exchange Act 1908];
where do maori parkiha belong ?
I am that I call myself mutieha
Gains !?
Shame jones
WHO? under threat
Talk about twisted words , ambiguous language 😂 shoal of fish knitted 😢
This lady is so beautiful her voice her hair 💗 she's hot
He Whakaputanga was for every living person who walks the earth, maybe king william iv saw what was coming and this was the protection for all, the He Whakaputanga flag is the lore for everyone, not just maori, 1840 is under queen victoria, ur sovereignty is long gone,
More bovinal excrement.
who give a shit
Maori own Aotearoa so if treaty is not honoured then Maori Rangatira have the right to make treaty with someone else. Russia sounds good.
But they've got more tanks and nukes than you, so would it be a fair and equitable partnership?!! Would you discuss any breaches with them and expect a fair outcome? Delusional!!!
Tsar of Aotearoa? the Tsar does not see himself as subordinate to anyone
nor does king charli @@seanrota3359
Wollygog channel
Mumma gone...
Division !! Labour Party policy 👎
Toitū Te Tiritī ō Waitangi. Toitū He Whakapūtanga. Toitū Mana Māori Motuhake. Toitū He Whakameninga 🌿❤️🤍🖤🌿