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why i dont like most webtoons (+ comics i do like!) || speed.. doodle?
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- just a rambly video on why i personally dont care for most webtoons..
i share some webcomics im reading at 14:30, here are all the ones im reading, in order:
★ here there be dragons (webtoon)
--- www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/h...
★ when the rain falls (webtoon)
--- www.webtoons.com/en/challenge...
★ men of the harem (webtoon)
--- www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/m...
★ summon to watch over me (webtoon)
--- www.webtoons.com/en/challenge...
★ the end of you (webtoon)
--- www.webtoons.com/en/challenge...
★ ride or die (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/Ride-or-Die/
★ kaleidoscope (tapas)
---- tapas.io/series/kaleidoscopeLN/
★ stick n poke (tapas)
-- tapas.io/series/Stick-n-Poke
★ fairmeadow (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/Fairmeadow
★ the others (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/THEOTHERS
★ agent mads (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/agent-mads
★ bellum pulchrum (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/Bellum-Pulchrum
★ onti (tapas)
--- tapas.io/series/Onti
★ beanstalked (comicfury)
--- beanstalked.thecomicseries.com
★ superpose (on superposecomic.com, but apparently on tapas as well)
--- superpose.superposecomic.com/...
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I was told once that Webtoon aims for a 13 y/o age demographic, hence all the high school stories, big exposition dumps and hand held narratives. Kinda sucks, I feel like they should make a mature section for older audiences. With more mature characters and nuanced storytelling
This makes sense but then I don't understand why they're pushing more and more for people to pay to read. (I mean....I know why it's just how all businesses are. Hook people with a free/very cheap model and then add a price model later) but tweens/young teens are more likely to not be able to pay and just move onto pirating.
@@htsunmiku exactly what I what I always say! Kids don’t have money, so I don’t know what they expect, that why they really need a mature section or more stories with older themes
@@allyberg2792 Advertisement... That age range is the most important group to advertise to.
@@aaronmontgomery2055my dude, when did I say that they should drop catering to young audiences? I’m saying it wouldn’t kill them to add a mature section to expand their viewership. Kids have more time to consume content, yes. That’s why they’re a great demographic, but they usually don’t have direct access to money at all times. That’s why having a mature section would be great for older audiences that DO have money; who don’t care for some sappy high school comic and would rather read something more heavy
@@allyberg2792 I'm telling you why they do it... OK lets look at a comparable industry the Japanese manga. The manga industry is able to do so because they sell books and other merchandise. So the biggest direct profit are LN, the manga, and other merchandise. On the other hand webtoons lack that. Ads and such are their biggest profit. I believe the site doesn't want their name associated with anything actually mature because it is a Korean site directed at more "shonen" levels of maturity and the public may not like having the two types of thing connected so outwardly but most importantly the companies paying for ads don't want it. There are sites more dedicated to this type of material though that have ads that are geared towards adults. Lezhin and such fit your bill.
A trope I dislike in webtoon is just the villainization of timid, slightly overweight girls with glasses? Like idk, I feel like too many of them portray these types of girls as either someone who needs a makeover (True Beauty) or someone who's psychotic and envious of the main character because she's so "ugly" and insecure (My Deepest Secret). Like as someone who sort of looks like that, it does hurt that even webtoons that I like such as Sweet Home fall into this :((
Or they're overtly sexualized in an arguably problematic way(Lore Olympus)
I feel you :( I would say that in a lot of webtoons (personal opinion!) the main character and their friends often look flawless (I would say especially females) whereas there'll be a couple characters that just look totally different and portrayed as usually overweight and ugly.
I do feel there are a couple webtoons that break this mold though, but then again I've only recently become so aware of these issues.
-no im nice😭😭😭✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻
(c) a bit overweight girl with glasses aka author of this comment
@@a.a.6318 I don’t rlly think Persephone is meant to be “overweight” she’s depicted as more “curvy” I think?
Wait how does sweet home fall into this? I’m sorry I read it a while ago, I just can’t remember
I think the best comic I’ve ever read on WEBTOON was Hooky. It started off cute and aloof but then it starts getting more serious and high-stakes.
Yesss omg I love hooky so much, it inspired me a lot.
ive never heard of this webtoon! tysm for the rec, ill check it out soon :]
Ahh I love this comic! It's literally in my closet rn lol
yeah! it was def a favorite of mine when i first began reading webtoon series. the creator of the series actually just came out with another new comic called Marionetta!
Yes omg loved hooky
i'm reading 'marry my husband' and BOTH the mc and love interest stopped wearing their glasses! JUST LET THEM WEAR GLASSES! STOP TAKING AWAY THEIR GLASSES
Maybe meant to be is a good one where he keeps his glasses 🫶🏽 and he’s so beefy and nerdy 😻
For real >:[ we nearsighted out in this biiiitch
:( Aa someone who wears glasses, like what?? Why??? Characters with glasses can look good, and if they were already established to have glasses, then WHY TAKE AWAY THEIR ******* GLASSES??
I'm going to take a bunch of pretty boys and make them wear glasses later into the webcomic to counteract this. It's glasses time.
@@TuesdaysArt I'M GONNA GLASS /ref
shaking your hand so so much as someone who reads thru webtoon and manhua at the speed of light everything you have said is SO REAL. literally read a manhua where the guy had fucked up scars allll over his face and i was like YESSS YESSS THIS RULEESSS and literally. ten chapters in. he loses the scars. i honestly couldve CRIED. HE WAS SO HANDSOME W HIS GANKED FACE GRRRR i was genuinely sooo mad. and yes oh my god girl protags will either have red hair with green eyes or black hair with purple eyes or blond hair with blue or green eyes AND SHE IS NEVERRR BROWN. AND NEITHER IS THE MALE PROTAG its always one (1) side character that has anyyyyy melanin its so . (EXPLLODES) RAHHRRGGH diversity LOSS!!!
NOOO HOW DID HE LOSE HIS SCARS ?! 😭 im tired of super ultra pretty boys! let him be a lil rough fr!!!!
OMG! I had to check the name to see if this was one of My older posts!!! I feel the same way. All the "handsome" guys all look the SAME!!! I am reading one where I cannot distinguish between three of the main characters' dudes. They're all the same height, and build and skin color with subtle differences in hair. It's even worse in school uniforms!
@@KimberlyPinkney OH MY GOD AND ALL THE MALE PROTAGS HAVE THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER ABS LIKE BRUH HES A FLORIST HOW TF IS HE SO JACKED AND THEY NEVER SHOW ANY EMOTION OR MAKE EXPRESSIVE FACES LIKE UGHH
well tbf it’s really hard to get a scar on your face bc of how quickly your skin heals ( unless you get like a burn or something that would cause disfiguration it’s a little different) but if you get a cut on your face it usually won’t scar, even if it’s really deep
i want to add that i do agree that a lot of webtoon realllly lack diversity in character design, so i don’t disagree with you but i just wanted to share that tidbit
the repetitiveness of webtoon honestly makes me want to go ahead and make a webtoon, not to blow up but just to give someone out there something different even if its 1 person
That's pretty much what I'm doing with my webtoon "The Black Pearl Saga". Whole cast is black or POC
I know I’m a year late lol but I’m on the same boat as you! I’m saving up for digital drawing equipment like drawing pads and what not. I haven’t seen anything other than two comics which haven’t been updated in years about both world wars, hopefully by the end of the year I should be able to start! 😁
if youre looking for a romance webtoon featuring black characters i suggest daybreak !! both the main characters are black and trans along with a few other poc characters in the friend groups
Daybreak is honestly my favorite it's so wholesome and the art style is amazing
Yesss another Daybreak fan :D
When I read it I just twitch and scream into my hand cuz
That’s all I want in a relationship 😫
i love the art and the diversity of the character designs but i think the actual storytelling is poopy doodoo. like the art and character design was like the only part of it i found enjoyable.
Ahhh finally! A daybreak fan!!!
You should read the WEBTOON original "Shiloh". It doesn't really have a main character but most of the cast is POC. Hell, the poster children, Chloe and Sawyer, are black and Indian.
It also just has a really interesting supernatural-mystery plotline, wrapped up in complicated relationships, systemic criticism, and subtext.
I also think something it does quite well is use the scrolling vertical format to its advantage rather than as a deficit. There are so many cool transitions that couldn't be done on any other format, and I love it.
i agree!! i love shiloh, the art style and designs are super cool :D
I haven't read shiloh yet, but it's made by the same person that made nevermore right? Nevermore is an amazing webtoon in my opinion, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were made by the same author, but I was just wondering hahah
@@viii410 yes! :D same artist too, so theres plenty of cool visuals and world specific fashion and stuff like that
@@spaceraceluce I'll definitely have to read shiloh then!
@@viii410 yea i recommend! :)
For the high school topic, I'm pretty sad that the genera is so badly treated. I don't know if it is just because of my social circle (im between 20-15 yo), but teenagers in this age range in my opinion, can be used in such interesting ways to tell compeling stories and can be just as interesting as adults.
Alot of kid have gone through shit but due to their lack of experience usually dont know how to deal with themsleves as well as just discovering how to be a person in general. You can touch on so many subjects such as social anxiety, addiction, the struggle of the parent child relationship that is changing so brutally and other stuff.
This genera is just so badly used, only told through the lense of cheeky romances and that's it. Almost 90% of the genera suffers from a big lack of substance that makes me sad compared as to how in real life, this age range is the most interesting and chaotic time for a person, full of insecurities and change.
I really hope people will one day salvage it.
Maybe she was just reading the western made ones. My Life As A Loser, Weak Hero, Lookism, Viral Hit, Bully In-Charge, Annarasumanara, Duty After School all feature high schoolers. Especially those last two, they'll always have a special place in my heart
Edit: I just want to add To Not Die, Distant Sky, and if you're looking for that coming of age story New Normal: Class 8, I highly recommend this one.
I felt like a majority of the comics on Webtoon had no passion behind them, and the creator came up with the plot within one minute. So I started reading manga instead, and it's refreshing to read something that has good pacing, dialogue, and an actual plot.
I think that the comics were initially made with passion, like when they were on the canvas/discover portion. But a lot of creators end up burnt out from the weekly originals schedule and are mostly at the whims of Webtoon itself, so thats why they end up feeling soul-less.
The fact that you roasted Yoo Junghyeok (the guy you said had more play than anyone in America) makes me respect you ten times more lmao. I love the guy, and the webtoon he's in is genuinely amazing, but he legit has the hairstyle and face of every black haired love interest in romance manhuas 💀
Your whole video basically described the reason I stopped reading webtoons. Amazing art btw!
lmao that's actually kind of the point of his physical appearance tho 😭he is the Protagonist TM
@@Ri-tr2lv yeah, that's what makes it so funny lol. He's literally the representation of all those good looking manhua love interests/protagonists and the mere fact that they all stick to the same aesthetic so well that he gives off that feeling is hilarious to me.
A WEBTOON that I personally love is “I am the grim reaper” featuring a woman who died and was sent to hell and now has to work for satan as the grim reaper. The art and action are amazing but the story also has time to be introspective and questions what makes a good vs a bad person. The main characters are very likable despite their questionable morality. it’s honestly probably my favorite WEBTOON.
What platform is it on?
@@justvibin1215 webtoon
The thing about highschoolers is why I love Manhwa tbh. They have super interesting stories that mostly feature adults in their 30s. One of my favorites is Match Made in Heaven By Chance, it's really good, and the characters are so interesting, the story really keeps you interested.
a side note is the UA-camr making fixed art, cause not going to lie that looks weirdly ugly
@@scarlet2766 ????
@@scarlet2766 shes the typical sjw lmao
for a story with black characters/ older MCs i suggest Shoot Around. it’s about a young basketball team and their coach surviving a zombie apocalypse it’s my fav on webtoon!
omg one of my favorite comics ever! i shoulda added it to my list but i read it years ago (2016, maybe?) before i even knew what webtoons was 😩 totally forgot about it.
def vouching for it for anyone who comes across this comment ! :]
DId you read Heir's Game? It's by the same artist with more adult themes and I love it soooo much I cried at the ending lol
@@beebee1794 oooooh i haven’t but i’ll start now. i’ve been looking for something similar after finishing Shoot Around, thx!!
5:48 I actually saw another person cover that before, apparently when webtoons go from canvas to original, there are certain things webtoon will change about the artists’ comic and will even change some character’s personality to cater to an audience
I love all the points you've said in this video. Maybe that's why I've slowly stopped reading there even though I know there are still stories that are good.
One thing tho, the vertical format. As someone who has been reading comics since I was little, I think vertical formats are something that has a lot of potential. It's a fairly new concept and not everyone knows how to make it work (given that webtoon started the format, I'd say it is new).
I've read a comic that blew my mind, they utilized the format in a way that added impact to the panels. It felt as if I was watching a movie. Ex. Song of the Skypacers by Xia Da (not from webtoon), Ilkwon Ha's works, LICO's works
Think of vertical format as a medium where readers take part on how the story is read. I think there are only a few videos giving tips on how to utilize the format. It can be used greatly to aid the story telling. When done right, it makes it more immersive like a movie. (For example, huge white gaps in webtoons are similar to how white noise is used in movies.)
Sorry if it's all over the place. I'm writing this late at night.
no its okay, i understand you! :D i actually agree, right after i published this vid i talked with a friend and we came to the conclusion it might not be that the vertical format is limiting, but that no one knows how to use it correctly LOL.
any comic ive read with it has been somewhere between "this is pretty okay, id still prefer traditional formatting though" and "jesus this is just terrible". so ill definitely check out your recs !! and thank you for the comment ! :]
@@cinnimani Last thing I wanna say, there's this review I saw years ago and I was reminded of yesterday but couldn't find it.
I found it now. It's one of scamboli's videos. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/h8ucLhe1ZLY/v-deo.html
The vertical format has potential, but it bothers me that you're kind of expected to use that format (like the way the websites are set up lend themselves more to infinite scroll than page format) because I personally get a bit motion sick if I'm reading a lot of infinite scroll comics.
The infinite canvas idea isn't new -- it's been long thought of since online comics was becoming a thing back the late 90s-early 2000s. I remember Applegeeks experimented with the concept a few times.
@@anonymouswitness3835 the only horizontal scroll comics I know of on webtoons are those of Donghoon Lee, creator of "Yumi's Cells" and "Daily Life of Jojo"
I would like to point out that a lot of artists complain about how webtoon treats them and their work. Webtoon restricts a lot of artists freedom in order for the comic to follow the webtoon format. This leads to Webtoons feeling bland or like they have no passion behind them, which is really sad because the artists see their work become like this and are unable to do anything.
Webtoon artists are also no given much time to complete episodes or chapters. They got like one week to create at least 40 panels, which can become tedious for a person working alone. This is why they have to take shortcuts and results in boring looking comics. I would love if you would make a video discussing the bad choices Webtoon makes that causes stuff like this.
The one webtoon I totally miss is LMLY it was so adorable, but it's been on a 10 month hiatus. They are totally different from what you currently see :)
i know :((
I love that one so much!!!!
I love LMLY and I really hope it comes back some time in this new year. It would be amazing
@@shostysboo what is LMLY? let me love you or something?
@@chuckletcake580 idk, from what I’ve seen, the author hasn’t really said what it means
Yeah not a lot of African representation out there but hope through my Webcomics I can bring through that diverse mix of South African that I love so much about my country, keep up the great owrk and stay awesome
Eleceed. Lots of black characters there and the shade of their skin doesn't stop on mochaccino brown. They're really dark.
@@ajuicyahjussi lol black doesn't mean African bra, I'm talking about actual Africans in Africa 😆
@@TherealChainsawmaniac hmm Westwood Vibrato then. 🤔 Setting is South Africa, no specific country tho
What are your comics called?
@Splendid Sei The 2 big ones I'm working on right now is "Kill all heroes" and " The Merchant of Ignitius "
The same looking mcs are so relatable 😭😭, that’s why when I go on like Webtoons or Tapas I go through the community ones instead, because most of the originals are like what you described.
I remember at one point I was in the romance genre and I swear I saw the same character in 4 different covers 🥲
As for the poc issue, I can relate. I've tried finding stories with more pocs especially black people, so far I've only found:
LMLY (black lead but in high school, love interest who has a rare feature. Also I just loved how they show the black lead doing her natural hair and wearing her bonnet and stuff lol)
End of You (black lead, lots of black characters, adults over 21) Edit: just realized you mentioned this already lol
Opposite of Always (black lead and love interest, college aged)
First Ones Out (has poc lead and main characters)
So yea, it is difficult to find poc webtoons with the criteria you menitoned.
Also I just have to mention Tales of Greed. It might not meet a lot of the criteria you listed but the stories told are just so different from any webtoon I've read.
I'll definitely check out tapas.
I highly recommend Daybreak…! Black leads and love interest! Diverse cast, very queer and wholesome AF very beautiful art as well…!💖
That webtoon got me kicking my feet and giggling in my pillow!😭💀
@@minervajones2585YOU BEAT ME TO IT 😭❤️💞 I was so so happy to find it!
o I remember reading Ola back a few years ago -- very diverse cast & set in the UK too which isn't usual
The way you showed the pic of Yoo Jonghyuk and i was like "Oh hey i know that character" almost immediately
its funny how in both the actual novel and the manhwa theres always some mention of how "Handsome" and "pretty" he is
ORV in it of itself is a really good story and Webtoon is just the platform where the ENG translation Manhwa is
I feel like more often than not on webtoon I come across what were clearly some sort of passion project for the creator but it simply died out or moved off the app, while the typical stories with the same general plotlines and characters thrive in comparison, trying to make a comic specifically for webtoon is just a deathwish for anyone who wants to put their passion on the internet
I have a comic idea in progress that I want to put on webtoon where most (like 95%) of the cast is mixed and its so fun. This is a passion project I've wanted to execute since I was about 9 years old, but i don't want to put it on webtoon because I feel like the algorithm won't treat it well (this is very much a passion project haha). Most of your points pretty much summarize why I don't feel like I should put my comic up on webtoon :/
I'm working on something myself, and I'm hesitant to put it on webtoon, too. Self publishing is probably the way to go.
Hello!!! I hope you do post it to a platform because I'd love to read :)
@@fightingonisiononsight8185 I've figured to just go ahead and post it on webtoon canvas, the art might suck cause I'm not too great at it
Honestly, i really dont recommend publishsing it on webtoon at all. 1) the algorithm is gonna be a problem and 2) even if it gets popular and recognized by webtoon and becomes an original, webtoon is literally going to control your whole story and how it goes itll make your passion project into a horrible chore youll loathe to do everyday because it wont be what you like doing and itll be what webtoon wants you to so. Webtoon treats its artists like shit and theydont care about you, they care about the revenues you bring so i really dont advise you to do publish it on webtoon
@@Lvcenttt I think i'm going to do everything in my power to keep it as a canvas project, even if the algorithm won't treat it well at least it will be out there. I might try to get it somewhere else in the future
10:00 OMG finally someone said it! Thank you so much, you have no idea how frustrating it is to have to explain this to people who expect everything to be there in those first 3 chapters /episodes. I mean I get that webtoon is the one that set those standards and got people used to it but like I'm my own creator and I have no obligation to pace my story the way they are used to. It's ridiculous and yet you are the first person that actually mentions this. Cmon just let creators create and real readers that actually care about getting invested in the story to discover that story, not to get everything on a silver plate. When I'm watching /reading something, be it movie or a comic I don't want to know everything two minutes in cuz then I have zero motivation to continue. And this especially sucks for writers who don't fit with webtoon 'standards' and have detailed long stories with their vision etc but it gets pushed back by webtoon cuz it doesn't 'fit'. That's most likely why so many people out there sacrifice their story telling in favor for getting noticed and getting that audience. I've been told by people that if I don't stick to the formula how our comic wouldn't get audience. And guess what, I don't care xd I would rather have that then to ruin my story cuz I'm a passionate writer and webtoon can eat it! Sorry for this long angry rant, but I just couldn't stay quiet after you hit right in the topic. I agree that current state of comics variety on Webtoon which is supposedly the biggest online platform for comics is pretty damn sad. Unfortunately I can see why, the pressure of not getting noticed if you don't apply or if you go your way to not get accepted cuz there are people who are too stuck on that formula. I really hope one day we break the system and these things get changed.
As someone who avidly reads webtoons, I absolutely agree with everything! Sometimes when keeping up with story’s honestly, I can’t keep track with who is who from different webtoons, because everyone looks and acts the same in so many of them. It’s always refreshing when there’s a unique lead and characters, and honestly I look forward to those story’s so much more when they update.
Omg, yes thank you for pointing out how the short cuts are too much, the 3d assets against a stiffly drawn 2d character is the biggest pet peeve, and I can only blame the platform itself for pressuring artists to have to take this shortcut every time!
Edit: Also, I think Webtoon is aiming for a teen audience most of the time, which might explain the easy reading style (the exposition, weird fast passing) with the style that still popular with that demographic, being the pretty anime style characters and whatnot. And I keep thinking cause its from Korea that they might not be interested in other POC stories, since they tend to dump a lot of their manwhas which explains why there's so many on the platform.
I still read webtoon, but far less than I used to. Im still on there for like,, three. I’m very VERY into High Class Homos, Ghost Eyes, and Jackson’s Diary. I love them, and most of the comics I read otherwise are on Canvas, which is where the passion is. I started on Always Human, so meeting that creator’s passion or unique style is going to be hard lol.
Jackson’s Diary 💃
I read all of them 🙂
I LOVE JACKSON' DIARY AND GHOST EYES OMGGG
Daybreak, Lovestruck, LMLY, High Spirits Neoma, and The Witch and the Bull for anyone looking for more diversity in character designs and backgrounds :)
"I need Webtoons to have more ADHD/autism because y'all go harder-" This is all the convincing I need to use Webtoons as a platform to post my webcomics. I need to inject some neurodivergency into the corporate wasteland.
I recommend Extraordinary Attorney Woo! Its a great story that centers around an autistic attorney and was adapted from a great kdrama.
@@noname.7474 Oooo, thank you for the recommendation!
@@TuesdaysArt your welcome, I hope you like it! It's definitely one of my favorites, has a special place in my heart.
ughddhhs i totally agree with this video so much, i rarely comment on videos now but I just had to for this one. I feel like i’m always seeing the same kinds of covers on webtoon or same style of promotion art because all the characters look the same or have the same art style, it doesn’t feel like an art style that’s unique to the artist/writer but more of an “easier style” to mass produce chapters every single week. It sometimes makes the plot feel like it’s pushing itself into a corner because you can tell it’s not a story that the writer / artist is even interested in or passionate about. I thought I was the only one who thought this so I’m so so so glad more people are noticing the same issues. There’s definitely some AMAZING webtoons out there though but you have to really do some searching and once you find great artists and passionate writers then it’s definitely worth it and there’s some great webtoons for sure
i got you, ive had the same few batches of ocs for at least 4-7 years and the worldbuilding and story dynamics makes me insane (I'm autistic)
I honestly agree with most of your points. My only gripe is that a lot of the focus is on the creators rather than the platform webtoon. Most webtoons are forced to be rushed to meet deadlines. Like I understand disliking sloppy qaulity but it sorta feels like it's not acknowledging the hard work already put into keeping a weekly upload going as typically a one or two person project.
I agree so much. Especially with the passion one 😭. I’m passionate about my OC’s and their story and I post about them all the time on my insta and I’d love to make a comic, but well, the story isn’t finished yet and I don’t think I could have the patience necessary for one so I just infodump on my stories :,)))
OMGOMG If youre looking for a good webcomic to binge I HIGHLY recommend Countdown to Countdown by Velinxi!! her art is incredible and you can feel the legitimate passion behind her work, shes been working with those ocs since she was in highschool and she rebooted her og comic(which was coincidentally originally on Tapas) . Her art style is just gorgeous and her characters actually have variety!! And ofc the actual premise itself is intriguing, however, it is still ongoing. REGARDLESS I still think its really worth checking it out
Yes, CTC is awesome!
OMG YESSS im obsessed with CTC, i bought a tier of her patreon just to read ahead of a cliffhanger
@@rizi8844 gonna be me soon fr 😭
CTC rules, I screenshotted the page of Lillium diving through the ceiling (iykyk) to send to my friend like "DUDE LOOK AT THIS PANEL IT'S SICK"
Hiveworks comics in general are pretty cool (I also like Paranatural), I think it's because afaik you have to be invited on so there's more quality control
I'm really glad to hear that there are plenty of people who are reading webcomics outside of webtoon. I've been working really hard on my own webcomic (including making an html website for it) and hearing this gives me so much hope that it could possibly gain a bit of traction :)
I'm not to aware of where to read comics webcomics outside webtoon or tapas so if you know do tell
[Ik this is an old comment but]
The downside of individual comic websites is that there's no central hub to find them. You could probably ask for recommendations on reddit or a forum or something, and just being more involved in comic/art spaces in general tends to help (indie comic artists will often give shoutouts to other comics so that can be a good way to find more)
A webtoon I really like is Castle Swimmer. It has a really interesting story and the art is pretty nice.
Yeeeeeees. The cute gay mermen! But with well written characters! And a slowly unfolding story that leaves plenty of space for theories and brainstorming!
@@book-obsessedweirdo8677 I love it so much!
I love your art its so pretty!
i wanted to share some of my favorite webtoons at the moment, there probably not for everyone and have there flaws but ive been enjoying them recently. suitor armor and cursed princess club (which are a bit basic) but my absolute favorites are "The Beast of Hadingley Hill" and "Encore!" :3
i love encore
Encore is so good
Omg I really love "cursed princess club" honestly one of my top favs
That was really interesting to hear. I am totally agree with every word about what is good and what is bad in webtoon/comic.
It's just like hearing my own thoughts from someone!
Thank you and good luck!
I mess heavily with pretty much every point you made here; thank you for sharing your thoughts, you are absolutely not alone
All your critiques are super valid and, I dunno in my opinion, most of this comes from people who have little experience in writing/storytelling for comics suddenly finding themself in this very fast-paced and demanding schedule that most webtoons operate with. The pacing issues, the lack of a lot of panels on the scroll format, and short cuts with 3d models; it all comes down to this toxic workflow they feel they need to keep up with to get noticed on the platform. I plan on posting my comic to the platform, but it's my baby and I've been planning it and working on it for so long, but I'm also a little older than some webtoon artists and have failed a lot to learn my lessons. A LOT haha. With time, the webtoon format will get to a place where the creators have gained the experience and have failed enough to figure out a better flow that produces better work. That's my hope anyway :)
I'd recommend Suitor Armor, Lovebot, Luff and Seniorita Cometa. If you like more diversity in character designs, adult romance, and big tiddy men. These are mostly latine characters coded characters though.
If you don't mind ridiculously horny comics I'd also recommend the Princesses Jewels. A bit white and pretty, but the harem is kinda diverse and it's like if Men of the Harems female lead was really really really into the important men she collected.
Edit: Gonna do a takebaksy on the Princesses Jewels. Artist turned out to be highly problematic
+1 on suitor armor i enjoy big tiddy modeus and i think its very well written
Suitor Armor is a big W
Suitor Armor is easily one of the best comics on Webtoon right now
100% yes on Suit Armor
The issue with The Princesses Jewels(apart from the creator) is the way the FL treats the men( one gets forced into the harem after the girl blackmailed him and threatened to castrate his father)
If the roles were reversed, the webtoon would be cancelled
love your artstyle!
I think some of the webtoons I do like are probably ones such as ‘Hooky’, ‘spirit fingers’ and ‘Yumi cells’
It’s hard looking for good series that engage you all the way through the story cause I won’t lie they drag a lot.
Also some webtoons are just binge with worthy, meaning I’d rather just binge them in one go than wait.
I guess you could say this about this for ‘Yumi cells’ but personally ‘lookism’ is just one to binge, rather than wait for episodes to come out.
your art is ADORABLE!!
this is so irrelavant but at 2:46 thats yoo junghyuk from orv and i swear thats the point that hes a basic fictional character cryinhdfsfds
I want to thank you so much! Im hobbyist artist with a desire to draw my own webcomic someday but all my characters are working adults and its so elieving to know that theres indeed a lot of people wanting to read about adults 😢
I wish you tons of luck with your yt channel 🥺
Yuna and kawachan is definitely my favourite that I’ve read. It’s set in the apocalypse in Japan. The characters are what rlly hooked me in!! One of the characters, kawachan, walks around in a mascot outfit. They developed a fear of taking it off and talk with paper (and sign I think?? It’s been awhile) but I love how they end off the whole comic.
Another good Webtoon is Dragonbourne. It definitely feels like a passion project and there's a pretty diverse cast!
dragonbourne is so cool! :D
This video is like a godsend, thank you! I am a comic creator looking to launch my own towards the end of this year, once I have enough of a buffer under my belt. What I'm writing is so different from mainstream webcomics (which unfortunately seem to be currently dominated by Webtoon such that some people think the two are interchangeable), and at times I am concerned that it won't suit enough people's tastes for me to make something of it. But it sounds like you and I have some similar tastes and gripes with the current state of the medium, and I take some encouragement from that. Really liked this video!
Love the video! I will definitely be checking out the comics you recommended!!
Honestly, I agree with all of these points so much. Also, I haven’t seen any other comments talking abt it but I just wanted to say that your art is super pretty.
the only romance webtoon ik thats two black people as mcs is daybreak its so cute omg :) >>> theyre such a power couple omg
ALSO BROO i thought i was the problem for the longest time becs im making a webtoon and the main trio are all black characters and i was like "....am i doing too much?" cuz the way i consume so many webtoons with white or east asian mcs and see so many people who call it trying to be "woke" when it comes to webtoon creators who include more than one black/brown/dark skin character like???
@@LACHRYMA Bro just add whatever you want. Those people who call writers or artists woke for drawing people like them or having diverse characters are stupid. I mean having 3 main black characters is fine cause think about all the all white main protags. Nobody rips on everyone being white or het but when it's black or anything diverse they call you a bad writer or a self insert writer.
@@mr.milquetoast9043 ty :)
omg i found someone who likes love sickubus too! :o especially i'm interested in the world building and the actions!!
@@Xherion OMG YAYY
if anyone ever comes across this comment, i highly, HIGHLY recommend gourmet hound and castle swimmer!! i'd say that they both do really great in the diversity and interesting design aspect, but ESPECIALLY in their writing. i didn't expect it when i first read them, but MAN their stories and themes are really compelling!! not sure if it's just the nostalgia speaking since i've been following them for years now, but i adore them and the passion that's so obviously put into both stories sm
i never see anyone mention gourmet hound omgg 😭 i love that webtoon
I want to gobble up your art style its so good
Its literally why After school lessons for unripe apples is my favorite webtoon ever, it actually has chemistry and the mc isnt so 2d and neither is the love interest. Its funny and cute and everything comes together naturally even if it is in a highschool setting but ig this is bias bc i am a highschooler
Edit: also in this comic Cheol (live interest) isnt the Webtoon cutie you usually see and same with Miae (the mc)
Omg, thank you so much for this video! I really wanted to make an independent webcomic these days but it's really hard to do this type of stuff in my country :') so this video gave me a lot of tips!! 😊
I'll take a look at the comics you mentioned and save the ones I get interested in but, this was really helpful :)
As a writer/comic maker, your point about authors explaining the plot/lore. It’s mainly used by young creators who aren’t sure what their doing, I would know my first fan fiction explained the main character was a yandere for their crush which made it seem like I thought the readers wouldn’t understand. It can make a story seem boring, I 100% agree, it can be okay if it’s played well, fun to read not bland. I also have barely seen any black internet story. The only time I really see it is in Episode or Chapter because you can customize them, it feels better to have a character you can relate to and feel them, so you want to see them succeed and their life. Some people also try to make the character into a bland stereotypical Y/N which can feel also weird, and is rarely done well. Correct me if I’m wrong but how many times have you seen a Y/N that feels interesting and not just a *Mary Sue, or Gary Stue* I bet you can’t name many, but if can you can gimme a link please
Honestly, I only have a select few stories that I stay on WEBTOON for, and I can’t really find any others that have caught my attention as much as these.
*Lumine, Castle Swimmer, Watermelon, SHELTER, and Crush3d* are my top picks and I really like these stories, but I haven’t found any that meet the expectations like those do. There are a few others that are good, such as *The Four of Them, Down to Earth, Cursed Princess Club, and Everything is Fine* and I read through them, but they’re more like extra stories to pass time while I wait for my favorites to update. Other than that, I’ve tried to explore around the app, but there just isn’t much else for me to enjoy.
So many cool recommendations I'm excited to check out, thanks for listing them!
it's like you read my mind, i agree with everything 100% 👏also finally someone who talks about the weird webtoon formatting and personally i think it just makes everything look very empty and has a lot of missed opportunities for interesting backgrounds :/ (also love your art style :) very cuteee )
really awesome video i loved it!!! also SOOOOOO true about the white guy factory its crazy
They claim they're Korean or Japanese, but they look super whiteboy white with Ethinic names. The ones who look ethnic are usually depicted as losers or ugly.
OH MY GOSH THANK YOU FOR STATING THE THINGS IVE BEEN SO FRUSTRATED WITH!
I think on your point about webtoons feeling very devoid of passion might be because of how tropey they are. Theyre made based on what gets popular, like you said, conventionally attractive charas, romcoms/dramas, same kinds of boys and girls, etc... They don't feel like they're based on somebodies experience or life, they don't even feel like much thought was ever put into them. The characters are almost never, ever more than the trope they portray, and they always lose any semblance of relatablity by like chapter 5 (ch 10 if you're being generous) It just lacks so much creativity and personality sometimes.
Yes tapas is the best when looking for stories
Last year I found this black magical girl type comic and it was so relatable and it made me so happy
It went into stuff like generational trauma and how some people would get looked down on for following a career that’s artistic and yeah it was just cool
I just finally got the time to look over it again
this is such a good video to watch as someone who's making a webcomic. you make so many good points i'm gonna like keep it written on a post-it note as a reminder
I'm really trying to avoid so many of these things with my comic (it's not up yet, as I just barely am finishing page 4 in print format and have yet to reformat into scroll for webtoon). My favorite stories are character-driven rather than heavily plot-driven, which means I have to make my characters interesting and flesh them out more.
marry my husband is a romance where the characters are 27+!! the writing is a bit weird at times tho.
My favourites (just throwin them out there) are Melvina's Therapy, Castle Swimmer, Everything Is Fine, Jackson's Diary, and of course, my most favourite, Revelation of Eros, the best webcomic I've ever read tbh.
Oh I agree with all of this. Honestly I don't mind it most of the time, problem is there doesn't seem to be a space for more mature and dark works/stories..
Your art style is really pretty!
Hey! Just subbed because you said litcherally ALL of my thoughts.
With the oc passion thing I AGREE. Lmao my yt and Tumblr is dedicated to my oc's I've been posting for awhile, just for myself and to inspire other people who may also have the same creative thoughts!
ALSO diverse webtoon recommendation is sunshower by shadow the hedgehog or racketballz! I LOVE her work! 💗
Also! Long ass Side Rant!
I totally agree about the formula on webtoon being bad. For multiple reasons
1. Imagine reading a Manga where every page is one panel. It takes away emphasizing important moments. Everything becomes stagnant.
Panels are the equivalent of a literary paragraph. Imagine a book where each page is a paragraph.
2. It draws out the story massively. Not only for the author but especially for the readers. Sometimes, you don't need an entire page just for a character to respond.
3. It becomes boring so quickly. Even the important moments where the author is adding all these effects and gradients to create a mood, becomes moot. As a reader, we've exhausted ourselves of looking at grand pictures with no actual merit.
4. It drains the creator! Can you imagine having to draw nearly 100 full pictures of the same characters and backgrounds over the span of at most 2 weeks, FOR YEARS!? Break that damn page up! 🤣 you will be able to get out more of what you want to say AND using panels is fun! You could get really creative with it 😏 😉
Just because webtoon opens the door to scrolling, doesn't mean the format should drastically change 😆 I honestly think the new method has more cons then pros, and it makes the reading so boring after like chapter 5!
I have many webtoon rants recorded on my phone, none of which I post because I'm too afraid of the inevitable dragging 😅 🙃 but also I don't think being on UA-cam, giving commentary, helps creators. The fan base you will inevitably create will be more interested in your commentary than your comic. You'd get a massive amount of views because there are a lot ambitious people looking for a community to interact with, and people love a good rant/critique/commentary. But in the end, you blow up, and then the pressure of creating the best damn comic weighs on you and it inevitably crushes you as a creator.
I think if anyone wants to use UA-cam for their passion project, always look at it as just that. Don't post trying to capture the attention of 100's of people, post because you want your own content to look back on 🤣 people who are really interested will stick around to look for the links, people who were just curious will merrily take their cookie and move along.
Honestly I'm so happy I found this video I thought I was going insane with how it seems like every story looked the same. I'm really into villaness stories at the moment so my picks are painful. Like it has come to a point that unless the story sounds really interesting I just won't pick it up if the designs for the main leads are boring. Like if I see another blonde or white hair villainous with her black or white haired lead I will fight something.
I loovvee Cursed Princess Club! I love the character development and colors. Also the soundtrack is amaazing!!!
omg please make more commentary videos whenever you have a topic,, the way you add humor is so entertaining I could watch it FOREVER !!
i havent finished the video yet but i think your OCs are adorable (im new here so yeah), but up until now i agree with everything you said (like the highschool thing is just idk, it kinda feels like they all go to the same school? As somebody who goes to a german school it just seems so weird to see the same japanese school over and over agian lmao)
I also hate the "im explaining all the lore in the first episode :D" thing so much.
But yeah some Webtoons i really enjoy "My Daddy is a Villain!" (its just pure wholesomeness), "Modern Mogal" (Havent read the whole thing yet, but its basically like Meme Girls where its a compilation of short stories) and ive recently started reading "Evelyne and the Occult", but im like on episode 8 so yeah... im very happy that i can finally share some of my favorites lol
(Feel free to recommend some webtoons!)
Loved your video! I feel many older (mostly daily pass now) webtoons were well-written and had good storylines. But, as the app got more popular and there was a greater incentive to make money it lowered the standard for good enjoyable comics. Another issue I have is the older comics that still post feel as though they've lost the original storyline and have lots of filler episodes
I already live your channel and art style so much 🫶🏽🫶🏽PLEASE post more, I’d love to see more character designs tbh and even tips for more interesting looks cause that’s something I’ve been working on as well PLEASE keep it up!!!! 🤟🤟🤟
Have you heard of our lord and savior Webtoon canvas. A lot of webtoon original comics are from Korea and they have different standards for storytelling and whatnot.
Oh. Oh wait that's me. I guess you have seen canvas ahaha...
hiii! i love your webtoon i hope youre doing well !!
and while i know most korean webtoons arent to my tastes, there are plenty of non-korean webtoons that fall into the same tropes etc i dislike, even on webtoon canvas. thats why i said it seems webtoons has a formula that they are not trying to deviate too heavily from LOL
but i try my best to recheck webtoon canvas when i can to find new people to support !!
But lots of people are trying to emulate what is popular and if they don't their webtoons don't become popular
BROSKI, everything your saying is some of the reasons why I'm making a webcomic- I've always felt so bad because my art style wasn't the perfect webtoon lingo, but I've learned how to love myself for that and because I'm not a webtoon MPC- (jk)
I was literally typing up stick n poke when you mentioned it in this video 😂 that is such a good comic, I love rat man
yeah, you have pretty underrated opinion on that!
I'm tired of stories that have some anime highschool drama with predictable twists and stuff and don't get how such stuff gets so much attention
like... how can you read the same story over and over again? I get bored in minutes :P
also thanks for recommendations, as an undergroud writer (no, I don't post stuff anywhere) and webcomic planner I need some fresh and deep stuff to get inspired from :)
Here there be dragons is absolutely amazing, one of my fav webtoons!
The other one is daybreak. Very pretty art and the chapters are a decently short length, which is great for my add brain
6:24 yes!! I get so peeved cause so many authors abuse the scroll to not draw stuff. Like they add squares or gradients and you miss out on so much story. I don’t mind it if it’s small transition but some skip a whole a page. I like reading comics like the old school manga or comic style. It’s just the panels are so cool and zig zag through the page meanwhile the format is mostly just top to bottom. Ugh sorry for the rant. It’s just a peeve I have.
Honestly, I agree- it takes forever to find a good webtoon and you have to shift through such much mid-content to find one good one. The only Original I have a liking for is Not Even Bones.
Lol at this point sifting through comics is a habit now. If your looking for great reads, I recommend Rose Tide Rising and Holy Hell (if you aren't already subscribed).
I liked it before they changed the art style.
this is your first video😭 i am WAITING for more
There *is* one where there is a black MC with a black friend group! It's a Shonen action webtoon called, "Ordeal". It does a bit of exposition but only tells the necessary details at the very beginning. From what I seen so far via The Black Mastodon, it's pretty good!
Omg you inadvertently helped me with a problem I had with a story I wanted to make. In defense, I felt like if I didn’t explain it all at first no one would get it. But I can see how that takes the point away of reading the story, lol.
here to support hehe 💗💗
For webtoon I can recommend these comics: Fairetown, Novae, Icy Copper, Suitor Armor and Cursed Princess Club. Also if you don't mind non-humans: Loving Reaper, Tardigrade Chronicles and AstralSounds are fun.
chanta on canvas has very cool diverse character designs, worldbuilding and art! :) i recommend
Yeah.... I agree I agree I agree with everything you said. That's why whenever I want to watch new webtoon I use 1 chapter rule, if it sucks it sucks, idc if it will became good later. The info dump is very annoying
I really recommend The Wrath & The Dawn, it's really sweet and I teared up a bit at the end, it's basically about a girl that married the Caliph for revenge, pretty popular in 2020-2021(?)
you draw so cute 😭
I think the worst thing about Webtoons and webcomics in general is the insane demand for new pages and the impatience some readers have.
Even if some are able to keep up with the demands it promotes an unhealthy culture where artists have to use any means they can to speed up the process. Things like pre-made 3D assets instead of carefully crafted environments and flat stereotypes instead of characters with any kind of depth.
It's such a shame when speed and amount of clicks become the factors that decide whether art is seen and appreciated or not
Webtoons I recommend are Dr. Frost (Recently had its series finale!), Space Boy, and Nevermore!
i would totally recommend looking into other reading platforms. personally i really like a lot of comics on lezhin and there are ways around their pay to read things, like using gift coins and stuff (at least i manage). there are a few really compelling stories with good art, right now i would totally say that "guardians of the lamb" is my favourite, it just has everything and it's really interesting and dark while still being romance idk i love it
I love ride or die💗💗💗💗and love your art and the points you made🦋
thanks for the list, some of these are Very interesting-looking 👀👀👀
I read this one webtoon called Holy Hell that had an all black main cast and one main character that was white. It was a canvas webtoon. But any of their webtoons they promote aren't going to have black characters. But most characters are Korean since it is a Korean platform, not white.