MORE annoying webtoon/webcomic pet peeves
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Irredeemably evil villains can be good if they’re so evil that they’re entertaining to watch, like Dio in Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure.
Well at least dio was well written .had a pretty good explanation for that. He spend his entire childhood around awful people which made him have a horrible personality and he was very poor and powerless so when he gets power he just go crazy with it. also because he is a walking meme like the rest of the jojo cast
Don’t forget Junko enoshinma from danganronpa, absolutely rotten inside but how she carry herself is just- such a icon of a character really
Whenever I create a villain or antagonist, I try my best to give them sort kind of motive or backstory to be like that.
@@9ightdreamer adding a different philosophy or a world view to them might make things more interesting. Like villens that make you say " i know this guy is messed up, but is he completely wrong? He might have several good points"
@@fanatomic24 well based on what speedwagon said. He was born evil. Just like that creep from S4? Or 3. Either way he developed those kinks and he had a good household too.
comment for the algorithm yooo
the "MC always ends up being right" is definitely a pet peeve of mine smh, I like characters that make bad choices in the beginning and have prominent flaws, but grow and change into a likeable character throughout the plot
also when villains aren't given a chance to actually be threatening, only to make the MC/main group look powerful
haha thx for the algorithm comment! i also totally agree with mc always not always having to be right, they are human after all!
It’s so irritating when the villains hold a powerful position but they’re so.. dumb??? like they’d be falsely advertised as this super politically powerful, ambitious, cold and calculating big bad that succeeded and pushed their way through tough competition strategically but the moment they meet MC they’re suddenly dumbed down because MC did one unpredictable thing or suddenly started acting differently, like how’d you manage to land a position like that and maintain it through tough competition when the moment you’re slightly inconvenienced or your pride takes a hit you start making rash decisions attempting to banish MC to the shadow realm?
I normally see this with villainesses (not the FL sort) and I pop a blood vessel every time it occurs, and it occurs a lot as this trope applies to both power fantasies and romance. the amount of potentially good stories that I’ve had to drop just because their villains were so third-rate.. who knows how many blood vessels I’ve popped at this point
@@peachsfav That's usually because people aren't smart enough to figure out how political figures manipulate others in real life.
That's one thing that pisses me off about Death Note becoming popular, these characters (especially Light) were never smart. They just make nonsensical schemes that could crumble down at the slightest inconvenience and then the show pretends that if you didn't get it or find it stupid, you're just not as smart as them.
@@yasmineh.1333 exactly!! like if you’re not good at writing politics and all that complicated stuff, just make them beat something up if you really want battle conflict. like a demogorgon. that’d be so much more awesome than reading bullshit repetitive political villains who don’t even know what they’re doing. if you can’t write that either then it’d just be better to learn how to actually write antagonists before you introduce them, or even start writing in general as they’re a major part of many stories. do some research, learn what what makes a villain bad and what makes them good. some authors do work on the tight schedule though, so I can’t really blame those guys
@@yuuning when I first got into manhwa I kinda like this but as time goes...it gets annoying, dry and predictable
Amnesia can be used very well....esp if you wanna avoid things you arent done building for the character. But again gotta be used well
MY BIGGEST PET PEVE, HAREMS. Suddenly 30 guys into you????? Amnesia has some logic behind that. But this doesnt
I KNOW RIGHT, LIKE THAT ANNOYING HAREM SITUATION IN WAKE UP WARRIOR
It's just breeding season
am planning on making the mc have amnesia and was taken by 'anarchists' who are trying to overthrow the archduchess. however, the mc IS the archduchess, but the people on their side assumed she died, and she was replaced by one of the people who worked with her, and as time continues she slowly regains her memories omgsa dga;oweh its hard o explain but htere's a good reason she doesnt remember anything
LIKE JOSUKE FROM PART 8 OF JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE^^^^^^
his amnesia is used to heighten the tension and mystery of the town of Morioh and the story and themes are revealed throughout the story and it's very well done
my biggest pet peeve in the reincarnation genre is when the only personality trait the mc has is being super nice and really pretty, and everyone loves them because they say nice things and when they smile flowers appear around them, and almost everyone acts like the pettiest people in the world so you know they're better than everyone else.
or when they're born into a super scary family that is overprotective and fawns over them 24/7, and when they're overprotective, super attractive father/parental figure is in in his politically inaccurate council meeting everyone is always tense and afraid of what the powerful man can do, and it gets tiring, like make the councilmen act like people, they always sit there quietly praying they'll make it out alive, and i'm like "why are you here?" interject, disagree, debate do what councilmen do.
webtoons like to tell me these men are sexy because they'll kill anyone that personally offended their one true love but thats never been sexy to me, rational, respectful men that don't get touchy with the mc are more attractive
I don't like when the mc is in a desperate situation in the beginning, like in an evil orphanage or abusive family, but then in the third chapter they are adopted by the powerful scary politician who will spoil them and be overprotective. Nothing bad can happen. I understand it's supposed to be wish fufillment, but if the author can't come up with a new conflict, maybe save the adoption for the end of the story ?
@@kathialanglois2357 exactly and they don’t become like untrusting or anything they’ll wilfully oblige to whatever they say and be happy
If you’re looking for a webtoon with an actual respectful and rational man, I suggest “Another Typical Fantasy Romance”. That is such an enjoyable webtoon and the relationship between the two main leads are incredibly realistic
I love isekai/reincarnation and whole heartily agree with this!
A perfect example of all my pet peeves that you mentioned "I am a Child of This House."
I'm an isekai fanatic and this... this manga sucks so bad it almost makes that one Chinese comic that had a toddler be pregnant with a panda look good.
i agree, it's always either the father or brother of the MC, and then said attractive, overprotective, scary, familial figure hates the male lead for stealing the MC, it's sooo annoying to me. like i do enjoy a good family centered manhwa, but i tend to avoid the ones where they're trying hard to sell the hot familial figure's sex appeal (making the father wear open-chested shirts, or even showing them half naked)
My biggest pet peeve in romance is when a character is perfectly comfortable with being single or even have adamant dislike towards relationships, especially when it’s trauma related or the character never ever expressed any sort of interest in romance before as a core trait, but then “OMG all of a sudden this other person appears and literally just exists, so I fall head over heels in love in 5 chapters 🤩😍😍😜”. It’s just so nasty 😭😭
Yeah or if literally eveyrone falls for mc like some harem type bs
@@whizz_0711 yeah especially if the mc is literally a piece of wonder bread
@@flooryan8332 fr like they don’t do anything how easy are these ppl
I don’t even have a webtoon but I feel called out on this 💀💀 I have a ship with a friend and their oc had a story similar to what you stated and he fell in love with my oc. Tho to be fair, in our story it didn’t happen suddenly cuz he was like “nope, not interested at all” and it was a slow progress, they became friends first and it was a long development for them. Plus they both developed as characters in the long run.
I think stories about overcoming your trauma and being able to love someone despite of it can be sweet when done properly. But I agree, I hate it when something that would take years and a ton of therapy to solve in real life gets dismissed in 2 seconds, like lifelong trauma can magically be cured by true love 💀
i love isekai, but i hate when the protagonist foolishly puts 100 of their trust in the “original story”. for exemple: you reincarnate as a villainess in her childhood and the years pass, you foster good relationships with the main cast and somehow still expect the story to unwind the same? like as a villainess, you will not be hated if you don’t do evil things, that’s kinda obvious. and if you protect the ml and undo their trauma, no wonder he falls in love that’s what the og fl did too
"you will not be hated if you don't do evil things"
Idk about that. There's one manhwa I found where the guy still imprisoned her no matter what she did (good route or bad route).
Yeah it's pretty annoying when the mcs have changed the stories so much, but still act surprised when things don't happen the same way or some things don't happen at all. Like no shit? You eliminated the reason it happened originally, don't act shocked now.
Yeah this is really one of the only isekai tropes that does bother me. Like if you're gonna do things differently and try not to die then why do they insist on being like huh?! This wasn't supposed to happen, when things change like literally lol.
OMG EXACTLY
when the transmigrated MC acts kind and befriend the ML and does all kinds of sweet things to him and yet is dense as fuck, acts surprised when the ML falls for them instead of the OG FL like what tf do you expect????
@@z_.5557 may I know the name of it? I would like to read it.
I love isekai themes but my pet peeve is how they can girl boss their way in it and suffers no consequences. I mean, I know their "historical" is more on setting and costumes (they even have modern bathrooms 😂), but seriously, women were not that free to talk and move at that time
It’s historical fantasy
That's where the fantasy part comes in. Do you think magic happened back then as well??
I have the same complaints for lore olympus.
@@z_.5557 Fantasy literature is literally a genre with magic and fantastical creatures set in an imaginary world. Modern womens rights exists especially now. which means women being able to roam around and act freely does not make it a fantasy.
So no, i dont think magic existed before
Same! Like they always have the happy go lucky personality that everyone happens to love. The oblivious to romance, cool, and food loving MC. They don’t have any other traits for the most parts. Especially those that get reincarnated into babies. They can trash talk some high position authority and get protected by their hot siblings/dad/friends.
for me it's when it's a romance webtoon about a beast boy because most of the time the beast dude is tan or have brown skin and the (white) female protagonist is always like "i can tame him" like....
idk, maybe we should like.... not, do that
omg yes!! or something something "dog" it's so weird?
Maybe the artist likes tan men. You're looking too into it, that's on you.
@@bzzbza the problem is not the fact that they like tan men, the problem that words like "dog" and "slave" are only used in tittles with tan'\darker skin ml. I'd send examples if i could, but it's just kinda weird
@@mizuuyu That's the whole point of a "beast", essentially beauty and the beast is no different. its still just what most of those artists prefer, tanned skin men. I've seen myself pale beast "dog" or beast like men in manhuas.
And in many asian countries where those webtoons are made, tan skin also means strong and hard working, since it correlates to work in the sun in their countries. A lot of the artists might find that correlation attractive, a strong and fit man.
Again its a matter of perspective. Not everything is racism driven or to you personally problematic just because it might be common.
@@mizuuyu the white saint and his dumb dog is one :/
my biggest pet peeve is how the mc mainly female ones romanticize abuse like even if the male lead is literally violating them let's say suddenly groping them, carrying them even if their not tired nor hurt and grabbing their wrists out of nowhere wth. I also hate the type of mc wherein they are like strong, devious but when the male lead comes through they be turning into this submissive thingy whatever like when they just let the male lead boss them, manipulates them and even gaslights them like wtf. That's why if I'm gonna read a webtoon I always prefer apathetic or messed up mcs like kill the villainess, resetting lady or concentration of malice lol
Omg I literally feel the same way. Like you’ve talked to him for 3 days max there was no growing into this love like make it make sense. You were so cold to all the other guys that flirted with you but suddenly this guy is more reserved or cocky and you’ve fallen over heels.
i think one of my biggest pet peeves is when the girl is isekai but then as the story progresses, the story just forgets it’s an isekai? like it’s just solely romance now to the point where the girl being isekai-ed could be taken out and it wouldn’t change much of the story.
another pet peeve is when the girl clearly has goals and ambitions but then that just suddenly disappears when the male lead comes in. like oop i use to have this big elaborate plan but let me be a simp real quick
OMG YES. Like girl what happened to your goals? You’ve talked to him 3 times why is the plan that you put so much thought into suddenly gone.
Honestly that always pisses me off, the mc would always be saying at the beginning “I’m going to leave this place and run away to live in a small cottage in the middle of nowhere” But than boom the male lead shows up, she falls in love with him and moves in with him in a huge castle like OMG can we actually have one mc who keeps to their goal please.
@@andrewsanusi8462 omg yes and while she’s falling in love with him the ml is literally doing the same things she yelled at the other guys for but for some reason because he’s hot it’s ok this time. Like be for real girl come on. Or when the ml traps and corners her into a marriage and suddenly she’s no longer a “strong fl” and just lets it happen and cowers.
Yea, that why I love “Kill a Villainess” so much. You get to explore how the Mc feels about her life and how the previous person lived. She wants to go back and even when she falls in love and gains more connections, she is always reminded that she isn’t the person that she isekaied in and that never shakes her resolve to go back.
roxana 😭 like i literally forgot mc is not the og roxana
I hate it when the mc is too nice and *perfect* and the side character gets jealous of her because she has no flaws except for having a sad backstory. Literally having a personality comparable to a goddamn cardboard?????
It's giving me Barbie and Raquelle minus the sad backstory. 🤌
Honestly I don’t mind too nice characters. It really warms my heart. Also. Based what I know. There is no such thing as too nice. I feel like those nice characters have their flaws as well.
Sometimes I agree wit the side characters or villains…babes how are you this perfect?
#MarySue_detection
Can't stand it when the MC is like, actually dead wrong, bitter or selfish and treating the other characters like crap but it's treated as if we should have reason to pity them or even root for them. It's likely to be a flaw on the writer's end for the character having poor morals, but it's really frustrating to read as the MC treats other characters poorly and you're basically told to believe the MC is in the right when they aren't. There's a couple big Webtoon series like that and it's such a huge turn off!
Right? And then you look at the comments and they are also all rooting for MC. I can never stand it.
I think Golden Haired Elementalist does this pretty well. She is not a nice person, not by a long shot. She is quite rude and quite lazy, but she doesn’t have an illusions about what she is, and it is called out repeatedly. She is one of the very few people I would consider a true neutral character and written quite well
@@calicoc1335 yes omg I particularly love ghe mainly because it’s so refreshing- she’s, majority of the time, not really in the right, and she’s aware of that (and so is everyone around her- even the ml often scolds her, albeit very softly)
like kind and sweet mc’s are nice, but it can get a little stale when they all feel like the same person
i like the ones that make the mc dead wrong like this, but don’t potray them like they’re in the right. e.g. john from unOrdinary legit became the villain for an arc, and while some of his decisions were almost painful to read (even the author was burnt out after writing the emotions in that part), it was also very interesting to see the other characters who were previously in the wrong sort of switch places with him.
@@exloster9624 i hate when people do that lol
My biggest pet peeve now is when the main character is suddenly a fashion designer. Out of nowhere. They also make a completely new style of dress that is completely different from everyone else, often much more scantily clad and provocative when everyone else dresses very conservatively. That would not fly, at all.
The country’s most famous designer has stars in their eyes as the look at the MC. The MC’s new dress is recieved with wide acclaim dispute either having no influence in society or being reviled by it.
It makes no sense how often this trope is used. I have dropped webtoons before with this trope because it’s gotten to the point that there is no thought behind it or even understanding on how trends are set.
Lol the said different design is chemise style of dress all over again im looking at you villainess maker and im only a stepmother but my daughter is cute. Then they make historical undergarments such as corset suffocating and panniers are about to kill you in summer bc they are hot to wear LIKE WTF DID THEY ACTUALLY PUT AN EFFORT ON RESEWRCHING HISTORICAL CLOTHES?! IM LOOKING AT YOU "IM ONLY A STEPMOTHER BUT MY DAUGHTER IS CUTE" UGH. THE FL IS A FREAKING DESIGNER A DESIGNER.
It would make sense if she's a costume set designers bc they have little to no compliance into considering accuracy in their projects.
I am sick of the corsets are evil trope when in reality they were fairly comfortable. I even wore one a few times and still felt able to move around without issues
My least favorite tropes are the “raising the male lead” where the fl is like a mother to the ml and raises him from childhood but they still get together when he is older. THAT IS WEIRD!!! And the “20/30 yr old fl gets reincarnated as a baby/child” and either falls in love with a little boy (GROSS) or an adult man who doesn’t know she’s mentally an adult falls in love with her (ALSO GROSS). Like just reincarnate her as someone her age or don’t implement romance until both parties are adults. Please.
I always avoid manwas like those cause I find them so weird like who would want to even read something like that? Like I genuinely don’t understand.
This one isn't significant, but I'll say it anyways.
When the novel cover is significantly different from the manga's art. I do not blame the artists who take the job, it must be extremely difficult to keep up the schedule of weekly releases. My problem is that oftentimes, the novel cover is very high quality and gives me an idea of how the characters look, but the manga art style is a far cry from that. An example would be 'I Raised a Black Dragon'. The cover gave me certain expectations, but the manga's art was so different, I couldn't bring myself to read it. The art was pretty and cute but I couldn't bring myself to read it because it would ruin my image of the characters. Perhaps it's on me, but I just wanted to get this off of me.
i am too feel the same tbh. most of the time, when i look at the novel cover that have this mystery feeling, i really like it. but when i see the manga, it just look different. The manga have this happy bright artstyle, yknow what i mean?
No fr. Like... It's not bad.. Per se.. But uh,, it's like getting catfished 💀
I agree with you, but I think they're pretty similar it "I raised a black dragon", I believe it's the same artist? The cover is higher quality because it's a cover, but the art style is pretty similar in my opinion
@@enio9477 a little late to the convo but i honestly kinda doubt its the same artist based on the way they draw noah, mu, and kyle on the cover! it seems more like a really polished rough draft of the characters before things could be decided on (such as mu's hair being more shaggy, kyle's hair being slicked back rather than down, noah's hair looking more brown than pink but the pink could also just be a stylistic choice since we heard about a woman with 'red' hair were being targeted at the train station thinking it was noah, and mu having a tail. I could go on lol.)
Idk, just something about it doesn't remind me of the art style that's consistently used. Again I could go on but I can definitely elaborate a lot more lol
i dropped so many manhwas for this reason 💀💀💀 if the art doesn't match my liking, im not reading. if the webtoon art is too different from the novel cover art I'm not reading
I wish we could see more women supporting women even when they both want the same man. It feels almost mandatory for romance webtoons to have a villainess who's only a villainess because she wants the male leads love. Like Wind on a Dry Branch on webtoon is really great with this I'd highly recommend it
Another thing about isekai or reincarnation in general is that when they get reincarnated they are obv older mentally and I cringe when they are 20+ yrs old and then turn into a baby (or becomes younger) and starts to like people close into their physical age range??? (Probably confusing but for example: 20 yr old -> physically a baby mentally an adult
Baby likes another baby who is mentally and physically younger ?? )
I’ll explain better when someone asks what confuses them 😭
There is one webtoon I read that addressed this issue but still pretty 😧
Matchmaking princess does that, like she started as an adult in a baby's body but suddenly the plot forgets its an isekai like...
I'm waiting for the day an author knows this, and have the character just be friends with the interest until they're at an appropriate age. Like the MC just tells the love interest they should be friends, and proceed to avoid them if they try to get closer to them.
Hell, even have the MC support the "rival" in getting the love interest because they are actual proper ages for each other. Would be a different twist at least. Maybe even have the MC crushing on an older person since they are mentally older, but they gotta wait until they're at the appropriate age, and this could be a setup to an age gap story now.
@@jellybean1528 I totally agree, like, what's the point in making it an isekai if they were going to completely brush it of
Most isekais do this. Adults characters become teens or children and then get teens and children as their love interests.. as if they weren't still mentally adults! And even when the author addresses it in the beginning 9/10 times it's forgotten in a few chapters. So gross.
same and like it's even worse in "I Became the Wife of the Monstrous Crown Prince". the MC expects the ML to be sexy when he is just a child like-??? and just tries to get close to him. i dropped it so hard after the first chp. im so surprised no one brings this up because it's so disturbing. also in I Picked Up the Second Male Lead After the Ending i hate how when the MC gets isekaied she just forces him into a marriage with him?? and since she knows everything about him and him knowing nothing about her the dynamic is unbalanced.
Pet Peeve: when the manga author doesn't know how to end the story/ has no good way of wrapping up all the loose ends they've thrown in and you can tell they're stalling. They say it's hard to get vibe/characters/and plot perfect, usually a story will do two of those right. When the premise starts off strong and then can't complete it's promise. It happens all too often.
exactly
My pet peeve is how the mc always is good at running a business. It doesnt matter what career they had in their previous life, they always suddenly great at inventing and business.
ooh, a pet peeve with the reborn as a villainess genre specifically! when the villainess has already established herself as a great threat to a fiancé or crush or what have you before the mc takes over. That former fiancé etc has absolutely /every/ single reason to not like or trust her, but the narrative and audience treat him like trash for not being a push over yes man and instead assuming that the woman who tried to murder his friend to have him might, in fact, still be quite nasty under this new personality
I completely agree. Here's an example:
The readers were trashing on the ML and every other person that was close to him (His mom, friend, children.. etc) because he didn't trust the MC, and only cared about the child they were bearing.
Yet, they never stopped to think; Hey... didn't the original owner of the MC's body drug the ML to sleep with them and get pregnant? and the ML's mom was mad because apparently the original owner of the MC's body tried to have a miscarriage and kill her unborn grandson for attention?
@@faceless.3224 right? It's crazy, if he acts like a semi normal person and isn't instantly taken in by her sudden personality change (aka the MC taking over) then he's evil and horrid! How dare he not roll over into a brainless yes man? 😒 Gen so annoying honestly
Really messed up that a kid can be conceived under awful circumstances, but he's the bad guy for being hurt by it and still just wanting his kid and only his kid. Can't comprehend how a narrative could spin something that awful and turn /him/ into the bad guy smh. He has every right to not care about or for the woman who did that to him, even if technically it's a new woman now but how would he know? Could just be another weird plot for attention
@@anthopanino2255 Exactly, even the MC didn't blame him for hostility, as it was understandable.
The readers started shitting on the ML even more when it turned out it wasn't the original owner of the body that tried to have a miscarriage. Like, I don't know man, maybe, _just maybe,_ if the original owner of the MC's body wasn't obsessive & an attention seeker; people wouldn't think they tried to kill an unborn child for attention??
Also, the ML's mom was called "a crazy wench" by the original owner of the MC's body for no good reason. How was the ML supposed to trust the MC again??
Yeah, it's mainly the comments that irks me in that genre. Like I totally understand why the ML and everyone else would be wary of the MC because the old body owner was an actual terrible person, so the MC in that body either got work hard to build that trust, leave the place entirely if they can, or somehow try to tell people she's someone else and not get treated like a crazy person/witch and get killed.
But readers seem to not get that the MC's will have to suffer. Not everyone will be yes men to the MC automatically. They're human and have every right to still be angry at "MC". I understand people read to escape reality, but sometimes reality in stories help make things in the world around them make sense. I appreciate the stories that addresses this properly, and readers should too.
@@faceless.3224 Which manhua are you talking about?
For the villains part,I highly recommend reading "Your Throne".
Its antagonist,Eros,is very smart,and manipulative,such in a way that when he appears in the panels,it
will make you nervous because you dont know what hes gonna do next. He's basically on par with one of our 2
mc,Medea. She is as equally cunning and manipulative,but she wants to take him down and take the throne for herself. The thing about Eros that I like is that,hes not just someone there to fill in the antagonist role,and just do nothing,but actually plays a very important role. His attitude is so scary,it
makes me nervous lol, But he is a very formidable opponent,and thats what I like about him.(besides the
fact the man is so HOT 😭🤚😫)
Hands down, one of my best webtoons. 😍😍
If evil, why hot 😭🤚
@@amnaarshad2104 yes.
@@narberiuss IKR😭😭😢✋
almost every villain in manhuas are hot..and in anime sometimes lol
I'm so glad I started reading "Your Throne" a few weeks ago, the writing is such high quality and the characters are so nuanced.
And the character development for each individual (the characters the plot surrounds) is so smooth and feels 'accomplishing.' in a sense, as if you're growing with them.
Each major character has their purpose, ambitions, flaws, personality, passions etc.. That bring out their unique humanity'. They aren't just mindless people, they're here for a reason and aim to fulfill that purpose
I absolutely despise when characters suddenly become powerful and kill someone without any repercussions or taking a moment to think about the fact they murdered someone
Oh yeah. But on the flipside, when they do.. readers would often find it annoying and complain. I've seen how actually realistic characters are perceived. The amount of times I've seen male characters dunked on for being crybabies in literal life or death situations is ridiculous. Actually, female characters, too, but maybe not to the same extent. And when strong characters show any sign of "weakness" aka emotions and lose a battle or smth because of it, I see a lot of complaining.
I like when characters have a reason to not have a reaction though. Like for example the anime Parasyte: the maxim, there is a good reason the main character stops reacting like a human.. it's intentional and not bad writing. He also faces repercussions, because someone else questions his reaction and starts avoiding him. Etc etc.
The reverse, I hate it when someone is overly dramatic because they "accidentally" kill someone. I mean, sure it's killing but it's usually out of self defense or pure accident. It's more acceptable to be dramatic if the victim is their close friend, family or lover but if it's just their enemy that always torture them all the time? I'd say, laugh at them instead of crying for 5 days straight.
Or when they are simply becoming out of nowhere uber powerful and destroy everything and everyone to the point where it's simply boring and there is litteraly no evolution in the character because the character is already "perfect" and is always right
yeah, i'm talking about you Solo Leveling
imma burn this sht up
i liked the beggining when he was struggling, but when he went full Saitama i tried to keep reading but it was too boring
Frankly what I think we need more Villains who are Evil for evil's sake, and loving every minute of it. They are living their best lives on some classic Disney villain energy. Those are my personal favorites. I miss them in a lot of media ngl. Are they complex? No, but they are fun and to me that matters far more than a villain that is complex for the sake of being complex and angsty and "Maybe they could have been fixed- but the are hot and believe in that they are doing so if only they knew-"
I don't want my villains fixed I want them to be Worse because they think its fun to be extra and mean. Idk if I am honestly explaining my point right, Words are not my strong point, Essays are not my friend-
Like, Complex villains have their place I admit, I enjoy it plenty, but I just want a dramatic evil villain who has fun with it and thus is fun to watch/read because of it- and If I have to write them myself I will! I'll do it! Don't try me-
There are so many villains with the same backgrounds I just can't even. The worst part is that most of the time, what comes next is the redemption arc. So you are telling me you have done all of this just to give all up the second the Mc knows your past?? Like, what??. That's why villains who are evil just for the sake of it are far more entretaining
Oh my God not everything is Disney 🙄
I actually think evil for evils sake villains work really well in theme driven stories because fighting the pure embodiment evil amplifies a whole bunch of your emotions and can be really interesting in its own right, where more nuanced villains are more interesting for character-driven stories with less abstraction. If that makes any sense-
A good example I saw is the difference between LOTR and Arcane, where Silco(a complex and sympathetic bad guy) works better with arcane's story which is driven by the moral and emotional complexities of the characters, and it leads to heart wrenching moments. And in LOTR and in a lot of those super dramatic old disney stories, if they'd tried to make the villains complex in that way that it would not only be boring but it would also be really tonally dissonant. In fact, evil for evils sake villains can be just as complex as more human villains, because they're embodying this like- distillation and amplification of an entire concept(evil).
ALSO YES WRITE THEM YOURSELF YOULL DO AMAZING DO IT, IF SOMEONE ELSE WONT YOU WILL
Like Dio in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 😂 Complete asshole, narcissistic and doesn't redeem himself (He literally burned his adoptive brother's dog alive just to spite himjust because lol) but his dramatic flair makes you anticipate his screen time. Also because he's such an ass it really complements the protagonists's (Joseph, Jonathan, Jotaro) efforts to stop him because he's just a menace to society.
@@bzzzzzzzzzz2075 LOTR does have complex characters besides Gandalf no character is perfect or ‘good’ and struggles with evil or temptations (even Sméagol is complex). Ofc there are purely evil characters, but leaving LOTR with the impression of black and white isn’t quite getting one of the many messages of the books.
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i’m getting tired of the female villain trope who has like no depth at all😭 can we get FOR ONCE a friendship between her and the heroine
i also hate sa being glossed over because they're the love interest. i remember this manhwa where the princess's husband was like "haha i bet she's laying in bed crying in pain from our first night hehe" and then she was just chilling and doing her job around the castle and the ml was shocked. i was DISGHUSSSTEDDD by the ml and dropped it at chapter 2 lmao
Isekai one is really big for me. One of my favorite isekai, is the lady with the lamp, doctor Elise, because she actually uses her prior knowledge of being a doctor to solve her problems
My biggest pet peeve is when the author and readers reduce the second female character as a "white lotus" or "green tea b****". I don't think readers realize that they're perpetuating misogyny by being mad at the secondary female character for even breathing, blaming her for everything and how dare she not agree with the fl. Like you said in the video, to an extent authors don't give these characters depth and we end up with a shallow villains. I hate this ideology that the fl is always correct because she's not, it's obvious that FL's pov can be unreliable but many treat it as fact. Like I have seen this with charcaters such as jeanette, psyche and helena who have valid reasons for their actions but people hated on them to hell and back the moment they were introduced. Always blaming the women and encouraging them to fight each other when the real issue is classism and patriarchy. We need to be more critical with analysis and start treating these characters AS CHARACTERS and not just tropes.
Omg you explained this better than me 10x because I always see this in villainess manwhas I’m tired of us the readers having to just take fl pov and run around with it.. the author never put much mind into the characters they make
Wmmap was the first reincarnation manhwa I read and it was kind boggling to see people hate on Jeannette for dumb reasons
I agree but Psyche's point of view have not been criticised neither author introduced her as shallow .
@@dikshasahu5830 she has one of the best character arcs in the webtoon, i love that woman.
@@ting5445 yeah she has I love them both
one of my biggest pet peeves is the overuse of flowers. shoujo manhwas will put flowers EVERYWHERE, even when it's not needed. i was reading the archvillain's daughter in law and on ch 15 the fl thinks "evan didn't look so well last night" and there's flowers decorating the thought bubble and the whole room like ??? it's not a good thing evan didn't look well. the fl isn't happy about it. it's not a nice, pretty, endearing or lovely moment, so WHY put so many flowers. the overuse of embellishments annoy me way too much, like it's not needed all the time, you can give it a rest
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Its probably only there for aesthetic reasons and to make everything feel 'united'. Or because the artists freaking love flowers, which is also understandable.
@@Yohannai i love flowers too! and this is why i get annoyed when they're not well used. when artists know how to use flowers it's SO pleasing, like taking the meaning of a flower and using it to set that moment it's extremely pleasing and it makes me so happy. the artists of "roxanna" and "the villainess is a marionette" know how to use it really well!
but other times it's just frustrating, especially when it's a sad/dark scene and you're not using the flowers correctly. today i was reading "the kind older sister is no more" and on a scene she was she was sad/mad/frustrated with a maid who didn't listen to her orders the artist put yellow flowers and many sparkles around her like... that's not it my dude. the sparkles were especially unneded, especially combined with yellow flowers
really sorry for the rant but you can see how passionate i am about this matter lmfao
@@paulambs Its fine! Its an interesting take. I've got to say I do tend to forget the flowers have meanings, but in romance its definitively something worth thinking about.
Yellow flowers and sparkles though... at least yellow is usually associated with joy and energy so that seems like a weird choice. Was the character trying to present a happy face while feeling horrible or something? I feel like the flowers are often used to show the vibes a person is sending too, which is such a cool shorthand.
Well-drawn flowers are utterly gorgeous and I love seeing them too hahah
Idk why some comics misuse it, though I find it hilarious since I'm an Oldhead who's used to looking into flower meanings in manga prints back in the day just because authors say it foreshadows/implies something.
@@tkraid2575 sometimes the flowers do have meanings, in "roxanna" and "the villainess is a marionette" it happens a lot where the flowers in the bg are foreshadowing something or complementing the meaning of the scene. but a lot of other times it's really just for the aesthetic and it ends up ruining said aesthetic lmfao
My biggest pet peeves:
1. The author can't decide who to pair the MC with, so the comment section devolves into shipping wars. I honestly prefer "faux love triangles", since it leads to less headache. I've never seen a satisfying "real love triangle" that doesn't result in half the fanbase dropping off. It's even worse if one of the options is the more obvious one, like a fiancé or (if it's a fanwork) the canon love interest.
2. The author decides, for some reason, to follow the least interesting person in a very interesting story. Not naming names here, but... like, I don't care who the maid is going to date, I wanna see the queen get payback against her abusive, cheating husband.
3. The artist/author doesn't know what setting they are going for. Examples include: having Rococo or Victorian clothing in a "medieval" setting or giving the FL unrealistic clothing/armor because it will "distract her opponent". Bonus points if...
4. The author has clear distain for the actual historical inspiration, so a lot of time is spent explaining how everything, from the food to the clothes to the social structure, is inherently better in the author's/MC's modern-day country. This is shockingly common, and is usually paired with having the MC "fix" the issue by introducing a new fashion or something. Little to no care is given to whether or not those changes are actually plausible (ex: if the ingredients for a dish are available to the MC), and no effort is given to merge or modify the "better thing" (ex: the MC must strive to recreate a similar dish using ingredients they do have), since that would mean the MC (and the author) would have to compromise and acknowledge the benefits the culture does have.
I have a manga in mind for 4. The isekai'd mc suddenly is a genius politician/business woman/engineer/chemist/desinger etc, and it only takes them a couple of months to reach business success. Or the "ugh the system here sucks so outd4ted, let me introduce to them the japanese system" finger snap and voilà the system is changed, carried and everyone accepted it???
2. For real!!! I don’t mind the mc but I’m invested in the queen’s story so much more. The king and his consort needs to go bye bye
Me who doesn't let any of my characters get together but writes them all as family 👁👄👁
-Action comics where the entire plot is ‘revenge’ and ‘running away from dark past’... *Punch punch* *kick kick* and the mc’s personality is a bland macho man/woman with no expressions.
-also when a character has a double life/personality but they never slip into each other or have any effects on the face life/personality.
My pet peeves on isekai/regression manhwa are:
1. Male Lead or any chara who in the first life hates MC, but everything changed when the isekai/regression happened. Resulting MC acted being nice and people who used to be hates here suddenly being nice too or overprotective, or worstly loves MC.
2. MC's brother being siscon or overprotective. Can we just have... A brother-sister sibling where they actually act like a real one? I never saw any sibling in isekai/regression manhwa that always had siblings fight or annoy their sibling due to bored, it's always the sibling being a siscon or overprotective. Too dreamy if I had to say.
3. Plot mostly filled with romance, when the early chapter actually shows an actual serious plot, but got forgotten for the sake of romance arc stuff. They even keep continue the story with romance arc, despite the main plot has already ended.
4. Forcing a romance to MC. This is the big problem for "I Was The Real One" manhwa, the Author/Artist just added the romance for our MC when the plot doesn't even need it, resulting the plot become way too slow progress. Yes it's understandable why, because isekai/regression manhwa nowadays can't survive without romance. Gonna be harsh, *most of the reader of regression/isekai manhwa never cares for the plot, they only want MC and ML romance being the focus only and just that*
5. Forcing the isekai elements to gain a readers when the plot doesn't even looks like it needed to be isekai. Wanna know who am I talking about? "I shall Master This Family" should've been a regression manhwa only since because the isekai part felt unnecessary to be there, and "Beatrice" should've never been an isekai manhwa, they could've made MC as a person who are lucky and privilege enough to grown up in a place where she is allowed to studying while being a commoner. Her "menye-menye" personality are actually the one who ruined the isekai part.
Just in case, I will add more later.
Agreed with you on all the points you made. I dropped I was the real one since they forced romance into it
i LOVE isekai trope but that does make me think. I do hate it when the Female Lead isekaied to a historical story and suddenly makes Shampoo and Conditioner. Or Chocolates and other things when their previous life was an office worker or student. It makes sense if they have a system or work at something similar but they didn't.
My Pet Peeves is when the FL is in trouble and appear strong but ends up relying on the ML for everything which only makes the situation worse.
And FL getting back together with the guy who murdered her in her first life *Cough Cough * Abandoned Empress. Or the one who treats her badly and somehow found out he changed and got together. Sorry FL he didn't change. You changed.
3. When FL Reincarnated and her personality changed. Like it makes some sense. But when you used to be bullied your whole life and die for it. You don't suddenly lose your stutter. Fear of the murderer and family who bullied her. You Were naive and easily tricked then suddenly you were immediately able to plan out everything and solved all problems. The Mary Sue halo is very strong on them.
For the first part, I'm reading a story where the woman was an office worker with no hobbies, yet when she got isekai'd, she's somehow the best romance writer in the story she's in, and I'm like huh?! How did she become the greatest romance writer when she never even picked up a pen or typed on a computer in AO3. Then proceed to just use logic about the world thanks to reading it, so what's the whole point of the office worker previous life?!
For the third part, I've read so many stories like this, and only a few of them have the women still having PTSD from their previous life and shows it. In Another Typical Fantasy Romance, MC at least had a hard time loving again thanks to her previous life, so her and her new love interest slowly developed their relationship to help her get past the fear of love and commitment. Now that I like.
@@thgritic102 maybe the greatest Romance writer cause the standard is low. 😂🙃.
Right. Like where's the trauma. You were meek your whole life and now you're telling me that it's all good? Strong independent women that doesn't need to rely on men and family money. Do tell me the title for that manhwa.
You talking about sei or that one accomplished ducal daughter lmao (the ducal one I despise not sorry)
One of my pet peeves is how most of the stories go in no direction, if it was a romance story then apart from all those events where mc and ml have bonding moments, the story actually has nothing to offer. The mc's goal is usually just some silly thing like 'avoiding death' that's easily avoidable in the first place. Also why is it that almost all stories focus only on like 3 characters and they take as much screen time as possible, it makes the world feel so suffocating and almost like panels Abt the interaction of those characters rather than a webtoon
Lmao the avoiding death thing is so true. And I keep rolling my eyes when reading those ones, because usually they are actually done avoiding death really early in because the one who killed them is already madly in love with them, so obviously they already avoided it, yet the author still keeps making the mc keep fearing it for no reason.
i hate in the isekai villainess thingy where when the mc gets raincarnated in the villainess and the soul of the villainess just, doesnt exist anymore?? I like it when the 'souls' of the body intertwine, fight, fall in love with eachother and such, it adds so much to what the 'villainess' was about, what were her motives and maybe was she even in the right about the, usually bullying the og mc. My best example of this is the manga 'the one within the villainess' which i ADORE its so good
Uhh....that's not reincarnation. That's possessive rebirth. Reincarnation is where a person is reborn with a new body that belongs to him or her. Not someone else.
Oh and regarding virtually all possessive rebirth stories are gonna ignore that lol. The story is designed so the mc can use someone else's body to experience love under the false illusory pretext of she has become the character, mc's the new version of the villainess which is heavily stupid and ironic since possessing someone else's body doesnt mean mc is that said someone and the villainess being a character doesn't mean she wasn't real
I have so many pet peeves with the isekai genre, but I’ll name some on the top of my head
-I hate and I mean HATE when the mc gets killed or betrayed by their love interest/ex husband or bf, then they get reincarnated and suddenly the love interest/ex bf or husband is SUDDENLY KIND AND WAS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD or the mc changed so much and doesn’t like to interact with the love interest SUDDENLY HES SO INTERESTED IN HER AND THEY END UP TOGETHER because the mc falls in love again, I find this stupid if the love interest was such an ass before why would he change? Just because the mc wants the bare minimum? Because she’s not interested in you? It’s so annoying
-Love angles, I will forever never call them love triangles because ITS NOT A TRIANGLE ITS AN ANGLE are the love interests in love with eachother while in love with the mc no? Then it’s an angle. And some authors just add a love angle WHEN ITS NOT NECESSARY? take the crow one for example, I don’t remember it’s name but it’s about a crow that turned into a human, something along those lines, the mc was happily in love with her love interest and they were fine sure there was some stuff they needed to work out good, more interesting arcs (the arc wasn’t even interesting but whatever) BUT THEN THE AUTHOR DECIDED TO ADD THIS SLAVE BOY WHO THIS MC SAVED FALL IN LOVE WITH HER?! idk it want necessary at all? Someone else could’ve saved him or maybe we can have a platonic friendship between a man and a women? Sorry off track BUT HE WASNT NECESSARY AT ALL? WE ALL KNOW WHO TF SHES GONNA END UP WITH? i hate this trope with my life
-harems, I hate them both normal ones and reverse ones, I don’t get it how tf do 7 different people fall in love with one person, the normal reverse harems have the blandest female characters and the reverse harems are just frustrating, and all of them crowd around the mc like it’s their job, and the mc is like “huh what?” Like … ITS SO OBVIOUSLY IN THEIR FACE? the normal harems are just fan service the reverse harems is fan service but less annoying
-the mc being bland, **cough** male isekai mcs **cough** most female mcs have the same personality, tsunderes with some seasoning, it’s Annoying and repetitive, there are some “strong fls” for example “I will save the fls brother” or smt along those lines, but this became a trend and now there are many “strong fls” but it’s so bland, they all have the same personality’s and look, all pale, some hair color, long hair, pretty face.
-the sexism in the community, I swear there will be some nice and “soft” or smt fl and people be hating on her, but if there’s a soft and kind ml and people be like “omg he’s so fine” but then be dissing the soft fl? Idk and what’s with hating on “rival” female characters? For example ratsha people be hating in her the more then naviers ex husband? And what’s with hating on the fl rival who just likes the same person as her and them butting heads? Idk if the mls do that people always go “omg hehe” or smt on those lines, it doesn’t make sense? And what’s with people literally hating on the female villains but then be like “oh but he’s hot..” to the male villains? It’s a little suspicious.
-the same design, the mcs always look the same just different art style, eye, and hair color,and pale white skin, if you going to give the mls some melanin give the fl some too… and what’s with long hair? Almost every single mc has long hair down to their knees? Idk I just have a problem with pale mcs all the time. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE MLS I SWEAR TO YOU, THEY ALMOST LOOK THE SAME “but it’s just the charm” sure maybe but imagine you want to pick a book to read with diverse characters, but every single goddamn book has the same characteristics (personality type, hair color, eye color, clothing, race, etc etc) for every single god damn character yes sure there are some tanned mls and some tanned fls (from what I know only 2) but are they often? Do we ever get more then 2 at most 3 tanned / south east Asian / black (which I don’t think will happen, but we can only hope)? No never there’s always 1 tanned ml and sometimes south East Asian but it’s always the tanned / south Asian dude falling for the white girl, but in the rare ones there is a tanned fl but usually she’s pared up with a pale dude, with black hair and red eyes, can we just have POC couples? Ok I went way off topic, the mls mostly look the same pale black hair, red eyes and abs, we need some diversity and more body types, it’s like they’re afraid to draw ugly people.
-it’s the same trope over and over again, the father-daughter trope, the “they’re step siblings/adopted siblings so it’s ok” trope(aka the incest trope), the “i hate the touch of a woman, but she’s different” trope, the “she wants the bare minimum and a peaceful life, how interesting” trope, the enemies to lovers but it’s just misogynistic, the she doesn’t even LIKE HIM UNTIL HE ANNOYS HER TO THE BRIM WHERE SHE AGREES RO HANG OUT OR GO ON A DATE WITH HIM? y’all have you ever seen this somewhere? Oh I know the future sex offender, I sorry, the oh she said no? Oh she doesn’t want me to buy her luxury things? So what I’ll do it anyways, the “she said no? Well too bad I’m going to force her anyways by manipulating her or by forcing her because of my status!” I could go on and on we never get flavor if we have a nice ml he’s overly jealous, if we have a harem they all are good options except for that one dude or or the woman always needs a man’s help/guidance/money to live, the mc always ends up with a man, yes sure if you like romance go off have fun, but you have to admit if a it’s a dude instead of the girl people are like “well he doesn’t need a romance side plot it’s fine” but if it’s a girl you all say “well I get bored if it doesn’t have romance” and I swear y’all are really homophobic it’s always the “people cant be friends anymore cant they :/“ stfu if it was a girl and a boy you would all be on board with the ship, also we always get “yuri baited” whatever that means we just get queer baited, the authors all know we are in need of some more lgbtqia+ isekai but instead they use it to bait us, looking at those story’s with the og mc being obviously the better choice, but no the mc always ends up with the worse option or the new character we’re introduced to, also speaking off can we get more single mother tropes? We have more then many single father ones, also the ones with a child and a motherly figure always have a ml, I swear to you the “guy doesn’t need a wife he’s fine” but once it’s a woman you all go “she definitely needs someone to help and support her 😣😣😣🤭🤭🤭🥺🥺🥺” I just need a more diverse story.
That’s all I can think of at the moment, I’ll probably find some spelling errors later
i agree with all of your points but oml i just realized from your last point that i recently noticed that there's like no historical manhwa with a dark skinned female lead theres only these dark skinned men with these pale women, or no dark skinned female side character, at least not that i've noticed
@@velvetybom368 IKR? i didnt notice until someone pointed it out to me
Ik about one MC whose skin is not pasty white and has a beautiful tan skin, if I'm not mistaken
It's called "Charming and the beast"/"The Beau and the Beast", if you wanted to know. The artstyle can get a bit wonky at times, but she's badass and takes no shit lol
@@apoorvapandey5362 yeah I read it but the ml is so annoying and pale, I love the fl but im pretty sure from what I know he thinks shes weak or smt idk
@@velvetybom368 it remind me of The Master of Ragnarok that anime have historical Isekai theme also have pale love interest and also have dark skinned male characters and also they do have her have one dark skin tan female
My biggest pet peeve is, in most of romance reborn genre, they don't explain HOW can that particular MC got a new life/reborn. Also, If they got reborn why don't they thank the God/Goddesses for giving them a second chance in the first place? Do they think they got reborn just cause their "never ending hatred" make them got the second chance? -_- c'mon. That doesn't make any sense. Even if I don't believe in God, if I happened to get reborn to redeem my past life, then God's power is real and I will thank God and serve God. Especially if I become a beautiful, rich, privileged girl in my new life. From titles I read, most of them was like "ok cool I got new life, I'm going to act like I'm the center of the world now, yay. Let's do revenge, yay. But actually, let's do romance first now, yay". And proceed NOT QUESTIONING WHY they got another life or thank the higher power because they got second chance and a chance to get revenge.
Also, in Isekai romance genre, the mc not questioning and searching WHY they got into the novel story is too weird for me.
I mean, if I were in their shoes I need to search the answer to why I'm inside a novel story. Is there some kind of God doing that? A Witchcraft? Demons? Who toys with my life and put me here? C'mooooon. -_____- they just suddenly got distracted by male lead handsomeness and forgot all about their past life already.
I laughed sooo much after reading ur comment. Oh God, it's soo annoying.
That's me when I first read a few different series, I just gave up after, cause apparently (back then at least) im the only one curious about that part
Thats true 😄😄😄 they really forgot abt that, I guess I only knew one isekai manhwa tht the female lead really find ways to seek the truth on why she isekai. She really panicked and worried a lot because of it, thats more real than others
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What is the name? That sounds interesting xD
KILL THE VILLAINESS IS GOATED
A pet peeve of mine is: Character lands in another world and knows EVERYTHING
I got really annoyed by some of these pet peeves that I began to start writing/drawing stories of my own that completely took out those annoying pet peeves within manwhas and manhuas. Like currently I'm invested in writing 3 stories.
1. One about a top player that got stuck inside the game world and suffered many mental issues. She planned to change the plotline of the game story no matter what, and prevent the harem of the female lead from forming because the destruction of the game world will be triggered if it happens. But every time she tried to change the story line, a piece of her humanity will be gone. And I'm planning on making her slowly succumbed to the darkest, from a hero to a villain in the end.
2. Story two is about a snake demon lady in a xianxia world that only has one goal in mind. And that is, to save her younger sister and make sure that she lives a better life than hers in the future. She was smart enough to never play with fire and always stayed far from the main plotline characters, until someday the main ultimate villain's henchman came to visit for a deal to save his master, the villain. And from then on, the both of them work secretly in the shadows as the main characters fought it out with each other while the both of them reaped the benefits in the shadows. I'm making this one as an enemies to lovers troupe.
3. And finally, story 3 is about a psychopathic murderer that woke up as a different person in another world. She got there because the former owner of the body made a deal with the devil to summon for the most heinous, cruel yet successful being he could ever find to carry out her revenge in exchange for her life. From then on, the mc basically carry out a murdering spree left and right because she's having fun. And in this story, she was betrothed to an 'ugly, cruel, and pathetic' man that was basically a 3rd rate villain. Instead of pushing him away, she took him in even though he hates her. And together, the both of them set out on the path to destroy the kingdom and set the whole nation on fire. This story is basically me writing about two villains getting their way.
Lowkey amazing plots would def give it a try
Story three is really interesting.
They sound interesting. But alot to do. Can please explain your writing process? Or tips. Bcs I am interested in writing stories too but I find myself lost.
Like I have ideas and mapped plot points but no idea how to fill in the gaps.
I also got a story idea.
The main character is the second princess of the country, who is secretly a witch. One day, she got three prophecies.
The first one is that of her being killed after people find out that she is a witch. But she found out about the first prince's secret because he did some stupid villain act of saying everything to the "the soon-to-die" protagonist. She decided to use the secret to fight him for the throne for her to be the king.
The second one is that of the future pope for the holy see who is still a saintness at the time. She decided to approach her to get the support of the holy see. To remove the detest people have on witchcraft.
The third one is about the official side couple in the story, the captain of the first knight order confessed his love and then got beaten up badly because the woman he has a crush on think that he is insulting her by do so. She decided to get the woman to be her knight because she want both the woman's power and the support from her admirer, the captain and his family as he is a successor to a dukedom. This woman is my favorite character other than mc. She grew as a commoner and the orphan of war but fought her way and became the strongest worrior in the country. But she got looked down because of her up-bringing, her gender, and her fighting style of using her fists. She worked as a mercenary. She got care free attitude and love money. She also got lots of blood lust.
The saintess is the two-faced type who act like an innocent and weak girl on the outside but scheming on inside. But she is a good girl and a help to mc. She won't get a love interest as she is gonna be the pope.
The love interest for mc would be the richest merchant who is funding her fight for the throne. He wanted to became a noble and hate the first prince for looking down on him, so he is helping the mc. He use mc for his raise to nobility and mc use him for his money and connection. But they start to have feeling for each other after working together for long.
Absolute anazing plot! If you ever published them, do share the name and the website!!
Ayyo I saw my comment for half a second.
A pet peeve I have that probably can't be helped is how much the Romance genre is pushed. It's difficult to find anything that's not a magical anime love story... though I understand that the main audience of webtoon/tapas are young people who crave romance. I mostly read Thriller, Horror, and Fantasy.... AND ALL OF THEM ALSO ARE EMBUED WITH ROMANCE. At this point it feels like other genres are just the salad dressing for romance.
On the topic of Zuko, I think he is the epitome of a CONFLICTED character, not a morally grey one. Maybe in the first season he is morally grey, but he HAS good morals going forward. He is conflicted about holding to them in the face of his family.
Speaking of 3D models, I swear like 70% of nobles live in the same castle...like I swear there must be more models out there somewhere~
Not that much but most of them use acon 3d. Since the genre is very popular more and more projects are posting for sale.
something similar to the jarring 3D assets that can kinda take me out of it is using pictures on clothing lol. like when a character is wearing a floral shirt and the pattern is just a floral pattern stock photo that is much more sharp or detailed than the rest of the art style. sometimes, even if the stock picture chosen matches the art style, it'll still bother me a bit if it's done in a "Chowder" style (meaning it looks like the silhouette was cut out of patterned paper and the details were sketched on). much like the 3D assets, it absolutely makes sense for it to be a common practice, it's just something that sticks out to me
and on the topic of 3D assets, while I absolutely understand the background being 3D, I SWEAR I've seen 3D assets used for something like... a mug a character is holding. or maybe a close-up of one. with no design on it. I may be tripping, but I swear I've seen it in a webtoons original at some point and it seems like overkill
I know things like a mug seem simple, but normal objects tend to be a real pain to draw if solid objects aren't your thing. Because they're so easy to mess up and people know what they should look like.
I actually count on using 3D in my art for this reason (also because I studied both in 2D and 3D so it makes sense to combine my strengths in both to save time), but I think if artists had more time they should try and at least trace the 3D objects to bring them into their own style with the proper pens, lines and level of details.
Sure it takes more time than just keeping the basic 3D images, but it takes less time than making a background or prop from scratch.
There are probably more artists doing this than we know, now that I think about it. You just can't tell.
As for patterns, I agree, though if its going to be a recurring thing, the artist could trace or draw it themselves and then make it tile to use the asset and make it fit the art direction. And then after doing it once it becomes yet another good asset that can be reused.
@@Yohannai BIG agree on the tracing of 3D assets. if the artist isn't on too much of a time crunch or isn't too stressed, not tracing just seems like a missed opportunity to nicely tie everything together
Oh yes stock patterns bug me.
other pet peeves I have is how characters are cannonically meant to unattractive but aren't it reminds me of children animations where characters are meant to vicious or scary but are adorable to audiences.
There is always a glow up characters don't have to have a glow up if it's not really part of the story. For example they don't even talk about it or all they say is "oh you look different" but I understand that it's for the audience
And lastly how characters react to a hot character. Like a character can treat the protagonist badly but they will only swoon or blush because said character is attractive to them
My biggest webtoon pet peeve is the readers everything is always about hot the characters are and how they can't dislike a murderer because of the hotness or how gay characters are and how they ship they dislike the second male lead because the first male lead is on the cover.
Tbh i think the main reason so many webtoons have 3d models that don't match the characters is because the artists simply don't have enough time to draw all the details or bg while drawing about 80 cuts in full color in a span of just one week
A very big pet peeve of mine is to always portray the MC like something in their lives is missing. So when they get isekaied and everything else goes well for them the last thing on their list is to get a boyfriend and have kids. They never explore the MC's trauma in depth, even being killed by a car and remembering, it appears episodically, but never flashed out. Another pat peeve is to give the MC a tragic death/past but never showing them struggle, like all their pain never existed, than why even Isekai? A very good anime that flashes out their MC and their past life's struggle is "Jobless Reincarnation".I like how they don't try to make the MC right or likeable but you can still relate to him sooo much.
I have a list:
1. The main lead is always right even when they make no sense.
2. I know you don't mind 3d background/objects but for me it's so distracting especially when the person drawing has a very cartoonist art style like blood-ink it looks so strange.
3. When the male lead is a non consenting person for naughty time or for those who don't get it a ra*ist. Does "Bossy president" ring a bell.
4. The lead is has no personality like "Untouchable lady" even though people say it's really good it's just so boring her personality is "I'm was really sad when I was younger and let my family use me " she has nothing no passion, or personality or dreams.
5. Expression are never shown in "secret playlist" everyone is emotionless so it always looks boring because the creator doesn't want to draw them "ugly".
6. Hair some creators are really bad at drawing hair like antistalker the hair is drawn in clumps then it has hair strands going everywhere like it doesn't have a start.
7. No chemistry between the lovers except for the creator said so.
8. Boring panels I don't think I need to bring up an example because most of them are pretty boring like there's nothing really interesting and always so basic but for a good example there is "Lookism" for how they do hard hitting punches or "touch my little brother and your dead" where a guys face become his hair and he's all super sane. Wanna go the traditional rotate "chainsaw man" or "Tokyo ghoul".
9. Speaking of panels let's talk about why they are so far a part.
10. When the love interest is conditioned to love ml/fl I have two examples but I can't remember the names.
11. When someone is transported to another world and they're perfectly okay with it.
12. Unfunny jokes I know comedy is subjective but a lot of them just aren't funny.
13. Putting in slurs I know it's mostly lgbt community. Hi "School hunk is a girl" it got to the point where I stopped reading in the later chapters
14. When one single person is "wacky and crazy" and everyone else is just so boring, plus normal and not just as crazy as that person only one person is in the lane of normal it's called the "straight man".
15. Useless characters you know those characters who seem like were only used for like one arc but the author didn't want to get rid for some reason so they're kinda just there.
16. Speech bubbles placed really weirdly.
17. Body types are always the same mostly for girls even when action is involved the girls always have the "model body" like were are buff girls at bring them in.
18. When the romantic leads get together at the end.
19. When like ml is like combat person who has been on the fields but has zero scars on there body.
20. Using real life images
21. Grammar problems like I'm reading it and then all of a sudden I'm trying to figure out what the author ment, it's not the author's fault it's the proof readers.
22. Racist/homophobic characters I think we've got better at the racist but not so much for the gay people like in "Lookism" I think his name is Daruis but you know the one he is the only gay and guess what we see him as a sexual predator. The one thing kind of funny thing about him is his gang logo is a bleeding arse hole.
23. The trigger warning taking up most of the page so you can make less panels like in "the prince's oppression" and it's we get it but I think it good to have it if it's a specific arc but if it's happening all the time just do what "ghost eyes" did and have it in one chapter.
24. The characters have nothing to talk about other than the main character.
25. The main character is always the victim even when it there fault or they are always a treating other people badly
26. The lack of communication in a relationship, any kind of relationship not just romantic ones.
The End
omg i definitely agree with number 4 and 5 so hard. "she's strong and tough and cold, that's why she's so emotionless" girl just say she doesn't have a personality. literally 60% time that character is just saying "hmmm" and thinking to themselves. don't get me wrong, not all characters like this are bad, they could be done well but only if the character appears once in awhile not the main character. and the way some artists would rather have the character have the most monotone expression even through extreme situations just for the sake of looking pretty or sexy. really puts me off the whole comic. it's almost funny really, if a character looks pretty and sexy all the time, then in special moments where they are supposed to look other-worldly and gorgeous, it doesn't work! because the characters has been making the same face over and over again, it's tiring!
@@sumimelora9323 i also agree on number 4!! Emotionless character doesn't mean they don't have morals nor principals to uphold, usually these type of characters are enriched by the supporting cast to make the story more dynamic, but no! Even the ml is so basic and has nothing to his personality and it gets me mad cuz that manhwa really has potential
Panels are far apart to make sure it's easy to read, due to the scrolling format. Of course there's a limit, but in general, it's better to place them far apart. That does not absolve an artist from not using the negative space, though. The panels are characters themselves and imo, the most underrated
it's kind of hard to read mangas because every single space is filled so it's hard to tell which panel to read first (I know that you have to read from right to left) , but when you look at webtoons or usually , most manhwas they're considerably easier to read due to some type of spacing between each panel
Can you elaborate on the “boring panels” part plz? I’m actually planning on making a comic of my own and I want to gather information about creating comments and what ticks ppl off versus what people like. So I’d like to know what exactly “boring panels” are so I don’t make that mistake :)
I think isekai as a genre can be really interesting, but the problems you listed are spot on. There's a huge lack of variety and uniqueness even with the newer surge of webtoons, it's easy to disregard them and immediately pan them as generic. I will say though, 50 Tea Recipes from the Duchess actually tries to do something more unique since the mc KNOWS how she got there and uses her knowledge of her past life to expand the worlds' knowledge on health benefits through tea, and even tries to expand knowledge on different cultures in her predominantly white kingdom. She even tries to seek out where the original host of her body went. There's really no point in isekais if the mc can just cruise in an entirely new world as if they've lived there their whole lives or have no background or even longing of their past lives.
People need to over look the 3D background because think about it, it would take FOREVER to complete a single background with so much details for the artist on a time crunch. And you know what that means longer wait for an update. The models helps the artist finish the comic chapter faster and be ready for you to read.
90% of people that are complaining about the 3D backgrounds I bet is really impatient about waiting for updates. And I know y'all hate when they go on a long hiatus so yeah if you don't want the artist to get overwhelm let them do their 3D backgrounds.
I don't mind them, when I saw everyone using them my first thought was "... How smart, I'll do that myself"
I think the problem with 3d backgrounds and assets it's that sometimes they are so bad they break immersion, I'm all for them but can you please use a different horse and not the pixelated blocky haired one?
@@zycovleech6163 When they're immersion breaking if the artist would trace them and fill them in with their own colors that would probably help a lot, though it would certainly add time to completing each panel... which adds up eventually for sure.
Before 3d assets were a thing how do you think manga artists completed their work? It’s painstaking and difficult but an established webtoon artist can afford assistants to help even with tracing over 3d assets in order to stylize it properly and not simply copy & paste. I know some of my favorite artists use it to save time but it really does lower the quality of their art. This is coming from someone who’s drawing their own webtoon trying to get it professionally published. Does it take forever to draw backgrounds? Yes, but it’s a million times better than staring at blocky, angular cups, generic hallways/rooms & other overused assets.
@@AZ-ee3ne The thing is, webtoon artists work with very tight schedules, very low amount of money and very few people behind each project, so hiring a background artist or creating your own is out of the question. Imo, 3D backgrounds are not the problem, not selecting proper assets is.
I LOVE generic romance dramas, they are great for disconecting the brain and getting fluffy feelings in the heart, but it feels that I know all the bad horses, castles and fancy hallways (my pet peeve are cups, they are not that hard)
@@zycovleech6163 I agree it's fun to read generic romance dramas, I'm guilty of reading over a hundred lol But they're not that memorable to me after a while they're all kind of a blur. I got tired of seeing poorly rendered 3d assets and started to appreciate artists who found a way to better integrate it into their art convincingly, or who hand draw. It's definitely not impossible, and one person can most definitely do it all themselves. By established artists, I mean the top earners who are wealthy enough to afford assistants. Also, Kidari studios (and others) are a team of creators so they have no excuse to put out sloppy work. I remember seeing some of the worst 3-d assets in Remmaried Empress, and you know they're making bank, so it's hard to excuse their sloppy 3d assets and pixelated floral print overlays on clothing after you spent 12,000 won on buying the manhua lol Just my personal pet peeve I guess.
For me, my biggest pet peeve is when the mc gets reincarnated and it's only relevant for the first 5 chapters, and then they never really bring it up again in the story. The author could have just told the story with the og mc... Especially for villainess webtoons, where the story would have been perfectly fine if the og villainess died and woke up when they were a kid again, then worked their way to change their fate.
For example, The Way to Protect the Female Lead's Older Brother.. It's good, but I think the whole isekai factor is kind of irrelevant later on in the story. I think if og Roxanna died to the Pedelian girl and got sent back to when she was a kid and kept all her memories from her previous life, she could definitely accomplish what the story has so far.
I get it that maybe the mc just accepts the fact that they're stuck in whatever world they're in, and that they're going to live as someone else, but like that's the thing, why have them reincarnate into someone else, if they're just going to completely forget their og identity? I would rather see the story of the og character than someone tying to be them.
I think Death is the Only Ending for the Villainess does a good job keeping the whole isekai factor relevant to the story since the mc can see things the people in the world can't see (quest pop-ups, favorability, etc), and she doesn't forget her past, we'll see flashbacks of her past life every now and then. Overall, her personality still seems in touch with her past one. She accepts the fact she's living as someone else, but she doesn't act like the og did at all. It's a masterpiece.
I agree with you on the possession part though I can't critic the stories you have mentioned entirely cuz I haven't read them lol. But ya you're right on that the pet peeve part. The villainess regressing is way better than her who was a fictional character now turned real along with the story she's a part of but in exchange she's killed off so that her body will be possessed by someone else/ the fmc who will use that body for her selfish means.
There's another similar trope that is disgusting where its not characters turning real but the fmc who was betrayed being reborn and now possessing someone else's body and using it for her selfish means such as chasing after her ex fiance or actual lover when she should be thinking of a way to return that body to the original owner after punishing and killing the ppl who used or betrayed her. Not go simp for some guy who is ironically an arrogant clown who has a pretty woman's face just because she is a naive idiot who still has lingering feelings
Also there's the fact that they are reborn in someone else's body and they know its not their actual body and self but they later delude themselves into thinking they are the person they are possessing and misguide others into thinking they are actually him/her who just had a personality change.
This is why I love Rebirth of the 8th circle wizard. Henry doesn't delude himself that he is the actual owner of the body or go on convincing others that he just changed. Rather he deceives them into thinking he's the other/young Henry and manipulates them(them being corrupted nobility along with the ones who betrayed him) since he doesn't have his former strength to accomplish his revenge and to gain back the happiness for his people. Its really good since there are no stereotypical characters and actually realistic. Plus the way he does business and politics is really interesting.
A couple of webcomics that actually delves a little into the characters’ backstories would be ’Villains Deserve to Die’ and ‘The Tyrant’s Only Perfumer’ In ‘Villains Deserve to Die,’ the MC draws parallels with her relationship with her family from her past life to her current life. In ‘The Tyrant’s Only Perfumer,’ the MC has a disease in which she looses her sense of smell, so when she’s reborn, she regains her sense of smell and starts creating her own perfumes.
A small pet peeve of mine is that it’s always the damn black haired MLs
And the damn long brown haired FLs
I defend 3d, it’s a time saver. For backgrounds, the lines can be faded or desaturated to focus attention to the chara
I've read couple of stories where mc dies (usually gets murdered) and then somehow time turns back, and mc gets a second round in that life. That's alright setting for my taste in fantasy stories. HOWEVER! I absolutely HATE how mc is clearly not just naive, but straight down idiotic before the death, and then suddely after the death has IQ and courage of the most intellegent, bravest person whose ever existed! Mc suddenly has high quality socialskills, incredible control over her temperament and can think of solutions for very difficult problems, possibly in field mc has no previous experience of.
i really hate love triangles, and when every guy just dotes on the MC after having a mary sue moment that breaks the plot
My reading pet peeves (which is directed to both webtoon/manga and novels, with repeated points made by others)
1) Unnecessary love triangles, literally no point in making the 2nd male lead just to be an obstacle for the main couple.
2) Unexplained/unnecessary harems, the MC can be literally a trash and yet they have harems, like why? Plot armour imo.
3) ML/FL who is bad/abusive to MC and get a redemption arc that doesn't worth much imo. It can be good but generally I find there are hardly good ones I enjoy reading.
5) Tragedy/BE, there are good ones but sometimes I ask myself "why?" There isn't much point sometimes in reading BE where often there isn't any takeaways or meaning. This is mostly just personal preference.
6) For the Isekai troupe especially, if they are going to "avoid dying" can the MC stop breaking the main plot and think they didn't do much or think the plot will go the same? Like it definitely will not go the same way since you changed it (unless there are more to it, but generally they are pretty swallow when the MC is written that way)
7) Fathers without their love of their life who died in the beginning of the story. Why can't the father have HE too? Like the daughter get HE but the father often gets BE, ugh, hate that really.
8) Follow up the previous point, it's always fathers. What about mothers? It's always the father loses the mother and not the other way around?
9) When 1 gets popular, the other copies. I find this is more for Korean webtoon/novel/manhwa than other languages but seriously, they should have more unique names. For example:
The reason why Raeliana ended up in the Duke's mansion
VS
The reason why Ophelia can't get away from the Duke
And more. (Worse for action type ones)
10) So for titles, specifically translated titles, some are just terrible imo. Maybe the localisation team wants to shorten the name but some are just terrible. I know it has been a trend (not just for light novels) but for Korean web novels and now adapted webtoon to do the explain plot in title, but I just can't stand some of the localised titles.
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I can go on and on. But these are things I find in most webtoon/manhwa I read. Actually I stop doing a lot of the romance ones and go to all the fighting/action stuff and there are another whole lots of pet peeves from there as well. The more I read the more things added to the list. I get annoyed but I still read them, it's a love and hate relationship.
i like isekai romances genre of manwha’s, but yea sometimes the mc’s backstory can be pretty hit or miss depending on how the author decides to tell the story. the only information they use from their past life in their real life out of all the isekai i’ve read were that they used the storybook they read to help them understand the plot points of the world they’re in. Doctor Elise, correct me if i’m wrong, is the only story i’ve read where the mc used knowledge from her past life as a doctor to help people in the world she gets reincarnated too. But honestly stories like “i lived in Seoul then died and reincarnated into the novel i read before i died” stories aren’t my fave, it’s really the ones where the mc lives in a fantasy world dies a tragic death and reincarnates to change her mistakes to live or get revenge.
My biggest pet peeves can be summarised within the webtoon, 'No Marriage is Perfect'. The Fl is so infuriating. The husband is too, but man, their conflict could easily be resolved if they just had an honest conversation.
I think the problem that people have isn’t that the villains aren’t morally grey, the problem is they exist *just* to be villains and have no character or personality outside of that. Rarely do webcomic villains have any sort of life outside of being mean to the protagonist and it’s hard to care when it’s so obvious that their only purpose is just to add conflict and show how kind and perfect the MC is in comparison.
It’d be fully possible to create a pure evil character *without* reducing them to a single trait.
I don’t blame Originals especially for using 3D model backgrounds, since it’s such a tight deadline and it’s nearly impossible to produce an episode in a week. I appreciate it tho when they find a way to make the models blend with the style. I know the creator of Space Boy has an assistant trace his 3D model backgrounds so they can be colored in the style. You’d never know he uses models!
And this is why The World's Greatest Engineer is one of the best in the Isekai genre. The mc's past life was still very much relevant to the story. His wisdom, the lessons he learned from his experiences in his past life, he applies it when making decisions in his current life. I also love the fact that his identity as Kim Sooho wasn't completely erased. In fact, it's his well kept secret
I'm okay with 3d models because I know they know that we as readers don't pay the same amount of attention to every panel so it doesn't make sense to make masterpiece every ilustration. Plus sometimes it's funny and interesting like adding stickers on your drawings
Right but let's play took it to another level. It took me so much time to get used to the 3d background that was nowhere near the comic art style. Especially that she earns so much money and can't afford it to look good? 🙄
When male leads are super arrogant and abusive towards the MC. I've dropped so many webtoons cause of a terrible male lead 😬
Abuse is so romanticized in the ... romance genre. It's ridiculous.
They even be giving anyone death glares for even just staring to anyone who even just looks in the MC’s direction like it’s giving insecurity 😒
"From a Knight to a Lady" has a great ML. The guy is a walking green flag unlike all those other MLs. Like the ML doesnt force anything on to the fl and respects her decisions. As for an example for a terrible (or atleast so far terrible) ML, there's this new webtoon called "Not another typical reincarnation story" where the ML, is VERY typical ml. Basically an a$$hole. I just want to read a manhwa where the "ML" is one of those typical trashy MLs that later fall for the FL BUT the FL leads his rude ass on and then cruelly breaks his heart and then puts him in his place.
As a creator, I get how off putting the 3D models are, so I usually just trace over them so it looks more like my style with line thickness and whatnot…I use them as a base, rather than the actual background (unless it’s super complex).
I use the line extractionwoth posterixe effect Especially for food and shoes. They blend so well with my artstyle
That is very much appreciated
My biggest pet peeves are:
1. The FL always act like a matchmaker for the ML and the Og FL in almost every Isekai manhwas I've read. I mean like gurl he's not interested with the Og FL , his into you.
2. There's a lot of toxic rival between the FL and her sister/step-sister/half-sister, and lots of FL has loving and overprotective brother/step-brother/half-brother. It's getting annoying to the point I get anxious whenever the FL's sister is introduced in the new manhwas, whether she would be a white lotus bitch or genuinely a loving sister. I want to see more heart warming sisterhood in the historical manhwas .
3. Love triangles out of nowhere and sometimes it's unnecessary for the plot. Like the manhwa I had read "As you wish, prince" the ML's right-handed man was on a friendly terms with the FL, then in one chapter he has feelings for the FL suddenly without showing signs of developing feelings in the earlier chapters. I mean it's ok to add love triangles but there should be a deep meaning behind the 2nd ML's motivation in pursuing the FL
4. So many fathers become distant with their daughters, the FL after their mothers pass away in childbirth (it's not their fault they existed and it's the father who created them 🤷🏻♀️). Also many abusive families/relatives before getting adopted or being sent to the dukedom or imperial palace.
5. A lot of FL being isekai'd and their knowledge from their past lives is not being used much in the plot. "Daughter of the Emperor" is one of the example. It's better to have the FL born as the daughter of the emperor rather than being Isekai'd since her knowledge of her past life is not going to be useful in the plot.
Despite they are my pet peeves, the love triangle is my guilty pleasure and bittersweet, its fun at first and then get a second male lead syndrome. I hope that in the future manhwas, my no.1 pet peeves will not be repeated and no.4
All the ones you names out are definitely pet peeves of mine I even have two others such as:
1. MC who gets Isekai’d into a novel they read immediately off the bat say they “need to make sure the story stays the same” which is so annoying cause it NEVER does anyway and the MC painfully acts oblivious to everyone around them as well and act shock after like 60 chapters later when they finally see no one is acting as they did before.
2. FL’s who are usually in royal families would always be having goals like “I’m going to run away from this place and live in a tiny cottage in the middle of nowhere” but than all of a sudden ML shows up, FL falls in love with him and moves in with him in his castle like girl bffr, stand up and follow your dreams I beg.
most isekai’s i can stand is where the character keeps their original soul/stays as the same person and they learn from their mistakes or grow as a person. it really annoys me when a different person gets jumped into someone else’s body and they just get everything handed to them, or they immediately adapt to everything
3d background dont bother me.. Unless like the whole style is so so so different. If it looks close then i dont really mind since 3d or 2d wont impact the story much
If your style is simple.. Maybe trace it over simply.. And maybe change here and there if you feel like tracing is so bad
If they're using 3D assets I don't see what the problem with tracing them would be, though I guess I can see artists saying that's the end of the world. Its really not, learning to use 3D assets like that is super important in all sorts of professional illustrations and concept art.
And I think that even if their style is slightly more complex, doing something to ground the 3D asset into the environment by adding a texture in their shadows used everywhere else, or making sure the lines and colors generally match their style is something worth investing in. Though that's just my 2 cents, each creator is of course allowed to put in whatever energy they need to complete their projects and all the better to them for being able to complete them and post them. I know I flake out of difficult things all the time.
@@Yohannai no.. Im just saying if they felt guilty doing it, they can adds a bit here and there to ease the guilt and doesnt overthink it
What i rlly hate is when the mc is an adult isekaid into a childs body (like a 20yr into a 8yr) but they act like a kid, like makes no sense??? I would understand that the mc has to emmulate being a child but why are they acting 10 when they are alone?. Even worse if they fall in love with another 10 yr old KID😭😭
Pet peeve is when she’s supposed to be strong and can’t win against the ML, or when she’s supposed to be a independent women but depends on literally everyone around her for everything
Yeah she be acting all badass and confident but the moment the ML comes in she be acting all flustered and needs protection like girl stand up
My problem isn’t when a villain is irredeemably evil but when they have nothing else going for them except to just be evil as an obstacle for the main character to overcome. Like their only purpose is to hurt the MC and make them look better so that webtoon fans could rally against them until they get their eventual punishment. This annoys me bc irredeemable villains can still have style or be interesting like Disney villains but it’s easier to just add a stereotypical evil school bully kidnapping and torturing the mc for angst purposes and call it a day.
oh since i was just reading something earlier and found this here's mine:
- the part where mc gets treated like trash but still forgives or acts like nothing happened afterwards because they got treated nicely again like gurl!! you just got slapped in front of the guy and instead of comforting he left with the woman who hurt you and that's it? love is all about forgiving? forget love and let's all just be dumb.
Bro what webtoon is that😭😭
So many peeves so little time
1) Did This Really Need to Be An Isekai?- MC's past life has so little plot impact you forget that it's an isekai, it would've made more sense to just let them be a person born in that world. It's just an excuse for the author to make pop culture references
2)Adult Reborn as Baby has Baby Love Interests- I don't care if you eventually age them up that's called grooming
3) Died And Possessed Someone Else- Where did the other soul go? Why do you get a second life but not them? This only works when they possess an unsympathetic villain who no one misses or if they really examine the tragedy of the trope. When the possessee had loving parents who will never realize their child is dead, that's sad af.
(PS I wanna story where the MC is isekai'ed in, makes friends and love interests, but then beloved characters slowly get replaced by other isekai'ed koreans a la body snatchers)
4) Time Turner/Revenge Fantasies - Everyone is Sooo impressed by how smart the FL is but literally EVErY one of her plans is based on knowing the future
5) Just Putting Villainess In The Title Doesn't Make Them A Villainess- like OK this nice korean office worker is now possessing a 5yo who Would Have been a villain, but they never do anything villainous nor do they have to deal with fallout from past villainy... sooooooo they not a Villain. And why are you worried about death flags when all ur potential killers are now apart of ur Baby Harem
6)The FL makes a plan in the first chapter and then refuses to ever revise said plan no matter the changing circumstances because the plan is in the title
7)Tyrants and Other Sociopaths- this man just killed 50 ppl to let you know what a Bad Boy he is
8)No World Building in A Genre About Traveling To Another World- I acknowledge that the visual samey-ness of 3d models is a necessary evil, but there's never any mystery to the world, always the same political system, the same city, the same elemental magic/ video game class magic system, the same adventurers' guild, the same magical races/creatures
9)MC Oblivious to Romance- because the only way to gain a Harem is being Denser than a brick, otherwise the audience might think they were a slutty polygamist(this goes for male and female MCs)
Regarding no 3 gotta disagree with you there. Just because their body belongs to those who are unsympathetic villains doesnt excuse the depravity of the trope. Them being evil doesnt mean the posessors have the right to selfishly use their body. Take a look at the virtually all possessive rebirth mcs. They use someone else's body for their selfish means like to experience love, sex. Also even if I agreed with you for argument's sake on that specific point, it won't count as true love.
Lastly I find it ironic how overwhelming most ppl ignore your reply. Not surprising, for the sake of escapism peeps ignore that their favourite characters arent actually the beautiful charming characters they are and that they are a new better version even though they aren't the original which is ironic since possessing someone doesn't mean you are that said someone and that it isn't genuine love. They're gonna avoid all these disturbing facts.
I just found your channel and it's pretty good I'm planning on making a webtoon to start off my career and your videos tell me alot what to do and not do thanks 👍🏾
ayy thanks for watching too!
@@yuuning you're welcome and thanks for the advice
Could say the same
My personal pet peeve is that romance is WAY TOO OVERRATED to the point of me struggling to find a good comic that isnt romance since Im not into that genre.
Im more into fantasy and horror stories like The Dummy's Dummy(Horror), Unfamiliar(Fantasy) and the Tapas comic, Obscured Eyes(Fantasy and Horror).
I wish it was more diverse with the genres but My Next Door Neighbours(Romance) is sort of an exception for me since the creator is an art UA-camr I like watching and the story is good with likeable characters.
There's a webtoon called Surviving Romance about a woman who gets trapped in a romance novel, but the genre deteriorates into a zombie apocalypse. Your comment reminded me of it since it ironically has no romance starting issue #2.
Another good non romance webtoon I recommend if you're interested is Sweet Home, about an apartment building invaded by monsters and their tenants trying to survive.
God knows I’ve been trying so hard to find a fantasy manawa that doesn’t have any romance in it but I couldn’t even find ONE it’s actually so annoying.
YES. PLEASE. I JUST WANT A BOOK WITH NO ROMANCE.
I used to hate romance but then i realize even a horror thriller have a romance Though i still prefer plots over forced ship.
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I dont mind romance in stories but I prefer when characters actually develop a connection and a relationship.
As long as its not the main genre or plot haha.
Well I’m guilty in loving the isekai genre. 😆 I’ve always liked fantasy settings and I do like romance so when isekai suddenly became this huge trend I was very happy.
I will say that I know it’s been a trend for a while now so I’m sure it’s on the outs. Or at least that people are probably getting tired of it.
I think I will critique it as most stories could be better. Honestly this is a genre that I may never get tired of because it’s just my favorite.
But, I definitely think the stories could be much improved. Probably mainly the world building.
I also actually really like that the isekai genre brought about all these different storytelling ideas. Like a story about creating a laundry service or literally being in a novel. Or even crazy ones like being a spider or whatever.
Basically I enjoy seeing so many different concepts.
It’s really different from the typical stories like Naruto, etc. (which I love too-don’t get me wrong), but I like seeing something kind of unusual too.
I guess maybe I’ve seen too many stories-seen all the classics. So, I’m looking for something new.
The villainess stories, etc. were so great in being a new concept. Although granted it’s not new now.
But, creating a new concept is seriously rare. So, personally I love it how they’re just going for it. New stories.
Thanks for reminding critics to be understanding of the struggles of comic artists as well and how the context of their situation can affect the work. And for reminding the comic artists that critism shouldn't always be a concern or a primary driving force behind their creative decisions.
This positivity is really needed. Making comics is a super demanding and labor intensive process! People don't believe it until they try it for themselves.
Criticism can be helpful but encouragement and understanding goes a long way too.
My pet peeve of making beauty standard trope where there will be a ugly fat character to beautiful skinny character including the female lead and also I don't know name but they're a manga that the main female lead have a darker skin and everyone hate her out of nowhere she changed to dark skin to white skin and everyone like her white skin
And yeah I hate that trope
I really liked Not Even Bones on Webtoon. it’s adapted from a book series, and the protagonist is completely evil and morally corrupted. they don’t try to hide it or redeem her, and it was honestly kinda cool and different seeing a protagonist like that. highly recommend, sorta disturbing series though
You know how there are many webtoons or webcomics of gaming systems? They are mostly like a roleplaying game with states, skills, and levels.
The main protagonist is either overpowered, or weak, but has something to make them survive. They may need to be alone, or form a party. They may have things that are outside of the system.
What if there was a story that has a game system, but the main protagonist is not a player, but the creator? What if the game does not happen in their world, but in another?
Would they know or not? If they find out, what would they feel or do?
Still, I will respect people's opinions.
thats actually a pretty good story plot, its like playing god
Spoilers ahead, but there’s a story like that (anime/video game)
In Caligula, the MC is the creator of this fictional game iirc called Mobius, where he realises he is in another world and must escape. They form a group in his school and stuff, and though the premise sounds super interesting, but imho the execution is lacking and doesn’t make the story interesting enough.
i like "Omniscient reader point of view" because the MC has readed a novel that becomes real and he's the only one that got to the final chapter, but as he plays is the story it begins to change so he's not in control of everything, also the story is told in a perspective so he realizes a lot of stuff after living it. I also like that he doesnt become the main character of the novel, he rather has to deal with the actual main character who is very morally gray.
@@SoftLearning_ Ah yes, OR.
The novel and manhwa that is great, but will give you depression
The Novel's Extra (author gets transported into his novel but with a twist) It also explores the idea of the multiverse and nested worlds in a certain arc and it has good trope balance
I hate it when a MC gets killed by the ML in the first life, gets time traveled back, says "I am so scared of him, I will not trust him again" and marries him in the end.
Or she doesn't get killed, but just abandoned for years and suddenly ML is interested, when she's not anymore.
Just leave, no character progression excuse him abusing you ㅠㅠ
my pet peeve is when the heroine has the personality of a door mat and keeps constantly needs one of the male leads to save her for the millionth time
Saitama gave up his hair for that power
... And his power became a burden in the end 😔
My bigest pet peeve is ML immediately falling in love in FL for no particular reason or the second one, when ML is following FL everywhere like a dog and do not have anything to do besides be near her.
My biggest pet peeves?
1. The setting. It's always the same, cheap European wannabe buildings (though I do think I once saw a French building, it was jarring, to say the least). How about some more original designs for a change?
2. Boring fantasy elements. It's always the saintess and the witch, the magic tower, monsters/demons and what not. No better magic system either. And don't even get me started on those who have a fantasy game system. It gets old. People reallyyy can't think of anything new or at least something more interesting.
3. The characters are almost always nobility.
4. Please, no more Northern Duke. I'm sick of it.
5. It's supposed to be a fantasy medieval period, but the MC wears some modern-day dresses... And their hair is loose.
6. Really hate it when little girls have long ass hair.
7. Side characters are, most of the time, flatter than my table. And by this I mean, they kind of group together some people and make them act as if they're a hive mind (knights fawning over the MC).
8. Idk I'm too sleepy rn.
Istg, I always tremble in suppressed rage when FL tripped and ML caught her and, like, sparks flew. That, or the FL is in library and the books fall and ML protect her from it then spark flew. I... Hate... It... It happens so often that I can predict it!
I also hate that FL is always right. Every wrong thing she did would always wound up "Ha, I'm right." Without consequence on her side after everything happened.
1:30 , when they say they love when the Mc uses their knowledge of their past life i complete ly agree. So many isekai mcs conveniently forget the important parts of their past life that would help the situation they are in and they end up getting absorbed in the world and I actually have only seen 3-4 mcs that are actually smart and use past knowledge to help their situation so I get really glad when I see an Mc that actually TRIES the only on I can remember that had a smart and reasonable Mc is -Ellin’s solhwa
My biggest pet peeve is that webtoons creators will just start writing and see where it goes, the dialogue is weird and unnatural because it was never thought over and the storyline is bland and doesn't go anywhere.
It's good to plan out where you want your story to go, know what the end is going to be, flesh out the beginning and the middle at the very least, make it something that can be read again and again and have the possibility to find new things everytime.
Act out the dialogue, if you were to act it out in front of someone would they cringe? Would you cringe?? Don't write it. Stop with the awful dialogue I am begging you, I can't get through most webtoons because the dialogue is cringey and unrealistic.
I have several pet peeves, some of which might be attacked by some fans.
1) The overused Isekai plot of being isekai'd into a world where the lead was unsatisfied with what happened in the book and then cleaning up all the messes so the isekai person doesn't get killed AND then being pursued by the very people they didn't want to be involved with, WHO WILL PERSIST IN CHASING AFTER THEM.
2) The plotline involves heavy "women against women" toxicity who all vie for one male character and go around calling each other "Bitch" and "Wench" and pulling each other down 😑 Can we move on from the misogynistic themes and potray more women solidarity please? It's 2023 already..
3) Love Triangles.ENOUGH. OF.THIS. ALREADY. It's getting extremely annoying and its always the medioce or lacklustre or toxic lead that is chosen while the actually sweet, down to earth and supportive lead is sidelined. Also why the hell can't creators choose the down to earth sweet and supportive one in their stories? It sends such a bad message too to so many young readers :/
4) Not every story HAS to end with marriage or dating or KIDS! I wish this was also out there more often.
Agreeing with all the points you're making. Regarding point 4 ill have to say, I can see why virtually all authors make stories that do not have romance nor require it. They have this weird mindset where they tend to over normalize everything and they want to pair their favorite characters together. Which is rather ironic since the way they build up romance is heavily lackluster.
i had read the story where fl was supposed to be infertile (that had a huge impact to the plot) and ml said that he loves her anyways and he don't care about biological children and that adoption is an option (they needed to have a crown prince anyways) and i was happy af until i read spoilers that they will ACTUALLY HAVE A BIOLOGICAL CHILD. like wtf, where is for once my representation of infertility??? like do they have a baby because ml has a magical dick that cures infertile women or something????
and that story wasn't the only one!! in another story fl and ml couldn't have children between them (but could have them with another people) and i hoped fl will get over her idea of having a biological child just to "fix" her unhealthy relationship with her husband, but turns out they CAN have a child for some fckn reason????? and fl's maniacal obsession of giving birth to her husband's child and her strong refusal to adoption (like she was really angered by the idea of adoption and said she could never love and even acknowledge a child who isn't both her and her husband's by blood) were never adressed. i don't know. i dont think that's normal and healthy mindset but it was painted like it is, well, because she is a woman she obviously just HAS to be obsessed with childbirth and that obsession is something NATURAL cause, well, she is a wOmAn
as a childfree with strong fear for pregnancy and childbirth i have to say 1) i need a representation!! 2)the overall obsession for having a biological babies gives me creeps sometimes. sorry for my poor english
In defense of 3d models, just drawing 1 panel takes hours of work. Some artists may be struggling with time and/or skills. And that(3d) alone does not define the quality of the whole series.
Here's mine : I think most fiction nowadays (the ones im reading at least) are trying way too hard to explain why we *have* to forgive this villain. They'll throw us some dramatic backstory and ya know... They're suddenly forgiven and became besties with the mc.
For me, a backstory may explain their behaviour, but it doesnt necessarily excuse it. So whenever they throw in a backstory and everything is magically resolved bc "they were always a good guy at heart!"... It feels lazy to me.
I'd love it if the mc doesn't automatically accept them. Just like how zuko was treated by the gaang when he was trying to be better and wanted to join them, they weren't suddenly welcoming him and i think that's very natural! Or maybe even just... Dont give them too much backstories like how disney villains back in the day were! I love classic disney villains because we don't really know what happened to them that made them do these stuffs, but we know enough to enjoy their personalities and what they're plotting!
I can agree with you on this one though my reasoning is different. The problem is that the authors obsess over mercy and forgiveness a lot that they think justice pales in comparison.
@@phiuzu5487 ooh you're right! I get that maybe they're trying to send the message "Forgiving is a good thing", but some of these people went too far to just suddenly be forgiven
Its usualy Jail and Reputation ruin. That's it
My pet peave is that all the male love interests look like Damian from Sailor Moon somehow. They are cookie cutter and mass produced lmao
The 3D model point reminded me of my all time, slightly more specific pet peeve................. webcomic horses. Like basically all of them. I've started a collection of truly abysmal horses I've seen in webcomics (and anime... lookin at you log horizon) and boy is that folder getting long. And I do get it, truly, because horses are one of the worst most frustrating subjects to draw, and as an artist (and someone who was once A Horse Girl who was extremely frustrated by this in my youth) I know firsthand how annoying and wonky their anatomy can be. So I don't necessarily mind 3D models of horses, it's just that there are very few models that actually get it right. I've seen a couple that had the joints backwards, and basically all of them are weirdly beaky?? At this point they could take a cut out of a photograph of a horse and I would be okay, just as long as I don't look at the thing and go "oh god somebody euthanize it." I get time crunches but just. I wish they would find actual references, even if they just trace a stock photo or something.
The villain point also reminded me of the stories (typically isekai) where the MC finds herself in a relationship with the villain, typically to find out He's Not A Bad Guy After All. But there are some where they really... don't do enough to show why the villain is worth being a romantic interest. Sometimes they're just straight up abusive. I remember reading one where the MC went to a festival and slept with a man she didn't know was the king in disguise, and when she finds out who he was and that she's pregnant she flees because the king is a crazy tyrant who straight up murders women basically for flirting with him something something I think he never wants kids or whatever. This man stalks her, manipulates her, threatens her, kidnaps her, etc etc without showing any growth at all. And I'm?? Supposed to believe she falls in love with him???? I've seen at LEAST two or three that start with date rape followed by the guy stalking the MC and basically forcing her into a relationship. These are all framed with flowers and billowing hair and sparkles and hearts and do little to nothing to address that anything wrong happened. Like "jealousy and overprotectiveness-bordering-on-ownership is cute, actually!!!" And not even like in a yandere sort of way, because that's it's own genre and I'm not into it but it at least knows what it is. These tend to frame these actions as Quirks that she may or may not fix by being Good around him, OR that she learns about some generic tragic backstory that really doesn't excuse any of his actions but somehow manages to make her forget about all the awful shit he pulled. Infuriating.
I just want a story where the villain wins for once. That’s what I loved about the Joker and Harley Quinn Book series. They were lovable villains and I still love them to this day.😂
I love the artstyle on the covers you showed! The shapes and the marker-y look of the colors are really nice!
Also! I've got a writing pet peeve specifically for stories involving video games/esports.
It's when the writer seems to forget that the characters are playing a game, and the in-game parts of the story are treated like the characters are getting temporarily isekai'd.
Like, the MCs don't touch gameplay elements beyond surface level aesthetic stuff like parties or raids (which also show up in isekai), they treat certain aspects like they legitimately believe they're real (and not just in an "I am immersed and care about this" way), and the background players act like actual residents of the game world.
And sometimes the MCs pull off stuff that break the worldbuilding of what the game is, like being in an ordinary MMO and defeating an enemy in a way that assumes it actually has a brain and a body. Or assuming the environment is real and doing things like digging tunnels and breaking through walls when that shouldn't be possible with the established setting.
Creates a weird disconnect where in the real-world parts the story treats it like an actual game, but when the MCs are playing it's an isekai with gamer terminology. Honestly I really love stories about video games / game communities, which is why this is a pet peeve for me.
Oh shit 😂 I am making arcade dance competition held in VR with avatars so I guess It will be your pet peeve. Dance:off on webtoon and insta. But realse date is delayed though
royal isekai is such SUCH a hopeful troupe! Literally the EMBODIMENT of wasted potential! it’s always “fl dies, gets reincarnated in novel she read, becomes the villainess who is a noble, wants to ‘change her life’ somehow, sees the second ml of the novel, falls for the ml who hates her (the ml is always the stoic cool archetype too 😭), removes the ‘walls he built up due to trauma’ yadayada and they get married. Literally, that’s it. It’s like the fl has no other character trait besides swoon over the ml or think that she’s a burden to him. It’s boring and shallow imo. I’m so tired of reading the same thing over and over, I don’t want an fl who’s whole character is marrying the ml or being pushed off by her rivals. I want an fl who can stand her ground and for once, doesn’t require a partner to reassure her of everything all the time!
I absolutely despise it when isekai protagonists look down on the servants or maids, despite previously living as a average person before their reincarnation. And their fans hype them up for this behaviour. I also don’t like those emotionless female leads because it’s so boring. I tried reading untouchable lady, and the plot is alright, but the fl is so 1D. She only has trauma and family issues. It would have been nicer to see her from the start and grow into a more stronger person, rather than just getting her last life where she acts like an emotionless robot
I hate when a webtoon's title hints at a theme and then they completely skip it to get lost in romance drama like?? the title is supposed to represent something about this and it literally does not get treated
I’m actually a big fan of villainess comics but my biggest pet peeve is when the ‘villainess’ ain’t even a ‘villainess’ most of the time their either misunderstood or were just petty that’s not a villainess? It’s so annoying
exactly. using 3d model is an amazing way to help you make a webtoon. not anyone can do backgrounds anyway. it would take so much time and effort to even make a chapter from scratch.
I ate those kind of webtoons up so much I think I’m slowly getting full because I’m getting tired of reading them
Id actually considered Zuko conflicted instead of only morally grey (cause I his greyer aspects are shown in the beginning of the series). As the series moves on, Zuko becomes more unsure of what he wants out of his life and his father, and doesn't know whether to help people or be selfish for his own personally gain. The dragons in the dream he has literally represents his internal conflict, and in the end, his ideals are almost a complete 180 from where he began.
i think a character can be both conflicted and morally grey, zuko is definitely a complicated character that doesn't just fit any writing trope
His whole life he’d been taught the War was the Fire Nation’s way of sharing their greatness with the world. Then he saw what the war did to the people and how unhappy he was as a prince and decided not to help them anymore. I don’t think he was bad, just indoctrinated.