What Exactly is Race Tuning?
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2021
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You’re probably more than familiar with language like “stage 2 turbo” or “stage 3 tune” but if we really pressed you on the different stages of tuning, would you be able to lay out a definitive set of guidelines for what those stages actually mean? Does bumping up each stage mean I’m going to double my horsepower? Triple? Dare I say it, quadruple?! Well today on B2B, Uncle Jerry is going to get into the stages of tuning, and answer all your questions. Every question you have, he'll answer.
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“Yeah that’s right buddy, I got stage 5 blinker fluid in this bad boy”
I would chuckle with the person who says that out loud lmao😂
you drive a BMW lol
i got stage 11 shifter knob addictive
My Miata headlight was missing some blinker fluid. No it’s 1337 horsepowers stage 7 zoom zoom!
Fuck! That means you will blind me with the hazards in a race. Time to break out the NOS, hope it doesn't blow up in a blue fireball!
"1000 horsepower? Try 2000"
"Try 3000"
"Try 5000"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
please don't
Try 100000
Yahtzee!!!!
try eleventy billion
My stage 3 cancer doesn't feel like a performance upgrade
You alive bro?
How’s that cancer going?
@rockieg02 he totaled
wrong video bro
I'm genuinely concerned 😅
I think I actually like each presenter equally at this point. Pretty incredible. Everyone brings their own vibe but it all feels Donut.
James pumphrey is my favorite, but only a little more than the others
You must've been looking at the hat
like elysium, donuts are like a space station.
only good good vibrations is surfing radio waves on the moon;
surfing nicaragua with a solid tungsten board entwine with a single stone.
ppppp 3:15 3:15 3:15 3:15
Straight to Stage 7 “ejecto seato cuz”
lol omg how did this not come up on the cringy lines video?!!!
I saw that video. I hope they make another fast and furios video. I am not a huge fast fan. But there were cool moments. In my opinion the best being that scene at the end of ff 7 where they do the little send off to Paul walker. That part where Bryan and toretto were driving side by side and their lanes diverge was kind of sad.
Keep up the tradition😂👍
A great man of culture
Grade a comment. Funny funny
My stage 6 Duct tape on the steering wheel mod is laughing at this video rn
lol
I only have a stage 4 myself...double sided sticky tape
😂💀💀
*COOL VIBRATIONS*
XD
"I'm 15 grand into this project already" lol I felt that
Stage 1: bolt ons. Intake, exhaust, wheels, springs, exterior accoutrement.
Stage 2: headers, turbo (if equipped) back exhaust, seats, steering wheel, suspension (street), small aero improvements, brakes.
Stage 3: turbo (or s/c, all required now except big block) full ecm/tcm, upgraded suspension and brakes required, cage (probably) specific function in mind, aero is undoubtedly a problem now, chassis imptovements (tube frame?)
Stage 4: fully everything in that category as far as bolt on or off the shelf parts, ready to attack the track (in whatever form) from what you could find on summitt or Jegs, custom aero, no interior, frame mods, etc...
Stage 5: purpose built. Say no more. You have a goal and a plan to meet it. All manufacturers and all records are calculated. You know when you're here.
i think this is a perfect assessment.
Except this is so variable. My car has a stage 1 tune, and that’s just a raw computer tune to the transmission and the ECU. It goes from 290hp/290ft-lb torque to 365hp/380ft-lb torque. Bolt ons don’t happen until stage 2.
The stages not only depend on the tuning company, but also the car itself. Some cars can’t handle the added power and need upgrades. Some can, and can be tuned significantly before needing to upgrade hardware.
so if I buy a 350z for drifting and put a fly off handbrake in it, I have a stage 5 350z? perfect, this isn´t helpful at all imo.
I think solely considering engine upgrades. Stage 1: ECU tune only
Stage 2: Upgraded intercooler etc with a bit more tuning
Stage 3: Upgraded clutch, turbos etc with a tune
had my first car a 320d f30 bmw(184 sttok) stage 1 ed at 227 hp and like 500 nm , there were no parts changed just and ecu change.
What is race Tuning?
Me, who drives a diesel KIA Cee'd: Imma need this.
Slap on a Cummins turbo and a hood stack
Im sure somebody somewhere is deleteing and tuning those
@@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 TF is this?
@@davidsny1190 oh yeah, I'm sure. I already saw a guy putting a spoiler and an extra fake exhaust, same car and engine as mine... *I AM SPEED*
Me, who has no car
i gotta beef up ma legs
TLDR; stages are what they call seasons in Initial D
Final stage
@@AcuraRSX-dz5xf imagine having a final stage turbo kit, the coolest name
@@AcuraRSX-dz5xf give
Yes.
@@dimitristopalis607 imagine having a extra stage turbo
Race Tuning is waht Michael Jackson did
Its hard to conceptualize a 2.0L making 500+ hp and 500+ ftlb torque. The Jerwagon is a truly remarkable car and what an incredible tune
A Focus ST can make about 450 horse without a whole lot done. And it’s also a 2.0l
powerful 2.0L exist. Some are decently reliable if done right too.
Mercedes-Benz M139 engine,
(2L 4 Cylinder) produces 416hp at the wheels
Plenty of examples of the civic type R out there making 500+ out of the 2.0 k20c1… now getting that power to the ground in a fwd is a totally different story
I’m going to start a tuning company and label my stages like Cold Stone ice cream sizes.
1. Like it.
2. Love it!
3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!
Make the "3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!" a 1000+bhp package that's barely driveable on the street just for irony's sake
@@EidanMA Then the last package would just be called "Organ Donor"
That stupid af Lol!
I just went to cold stone 😂😂
“Tuning company” you mean fraud? there are tuners and there are salesman, you must mean salesman
This makes me think that a more in depth series on ECU tuning would be really cool.
How do you het that face?
On Your name
@@3sschrmn689 you gotta be a member of the channel
YES
@@carguy7884 wich Channel?
A stage 6 air intake is amazing!! I am so going to use that. And other things like "stage 4 wipers" aerodynamic for more speed. Or stage 5 Schrader valve caps. ( the little rubber stems used to fill air in your tires).
I got stage 7 valve stem caps (they’re made out of 40s&w casings)
@@OkieTA95 Bet it looks badass
Well my eclipse went from stage 0 to stage 100,real quick
For me it was always like this:
Stage 1: Changing Software related stuff without changing anything physically
Stage 2: Changing external motor parts like exhaust, air filter, intake/exhaust manifolds, turbo related stuff
Stage 3: Swapping internals of the motor like camshaft, crankshaft, pistons, rods...
Exactly
and I guess stage 4 would be weight, aero, suspension, wheels and brakes?
"Big ole honkin turbosharger"
*Shows a Picture of a procharger*
I noticed the same thing and was gonna comment on it haha
glad I wasn't the only one to notice that lol
A procharger is a turbo my dude
I think they are trying to mess with us
@@bradensmith22 Bruh. A procharger is driven by the engine, not exhaust gasses.
I want a ‘my other car is a Donut Jerwagen’ sticker
or Pumphrey 902!
you mean the Dount Jerwagen?
me2
Don’t forget to get a Jobe’s P.I.S.S sticker too!
Petition to swap the “r” and “w” in Jerwagen’ for a better name 😎
The "Stage" nomelclature actually existed before Grand Tourismo, though I'll agree that the game did expand it's usage to the wider audience.
The one example I'm super familiar with is the Buick GS/GSX series starting in 1968 through '75 used "Stages" as an upgrade package options. Stage 1 got you the Wildcat 455 cubic inch engine over the Buick 350, dual exhaust over single, and a larger 4 barrel carb, arriving at the 360hp, 510ft/lb torque monster. Stage 2 was a very rare package option that was sold as a dealer option, or to wrench happy individuals and were shipped out in the trunk of the car, and less than 5 Stage 2 GSX packages were actually installed by the factory. High flow heads, high flow intake manifold, custom exhaust porting, a more aggressive camshaft, hollow pushrods for improved lubrication, forged piston heads, a tuned up 4 barrel carb are what's known, but there could have been other race-inclined options included. Their factory example had a much higher rear differential ratio than the usual GS (at 4.78) to help transfer all that torque to the tires, but I don't know if that was a thing that came with the Stage 2 package or not.
Well done video. Jeremiah is really coming into his own with these explanation and teaching videos - I think that style fits his personality and dry humor the best.
At first glance I thought the title said: “What exactly is rice tuning?”
-Instant flashbacks to when Donut modded a McLaren using Autozone parts. 🏎
Yo, they did that?
@@jessiepoofrae6607 im interested as well
... but why?
@@Turambar117 as a prank
I didn’t know auto zone had performance parts. Jak
“He has to be stage 2” “try stage 3” “try stage 4” “more like stage 5”
Lmaooo i see what you did there
Kansai dorifutoooooo
@@trisno_su it’s a fast n the furious reference you weeb
@@surume6627 haha
Feels good to know a tiny bit about crankshafts, connecting rods, journals, main caps, thrust bearings, etc. Just learned about em in level 1 automotive schooling. Just being able to put an idea and picture to the words is a good feeling.
(He mentions these when referring to reinforcing the bottom end of the motor at 10:40)
That's dope. Wish i learned even a bit of that when I was in school. just gonna try and do so now on my own
@@RealNigga0190 Not sure what your situation is but it's truly never too late, and you don't need a school to teach you anything. God bless the internet, good luck.
Hey! Trevor here! Long time fan!! Love the show, I have learned so much from watching all you guys! I’ve been wondering about an episode idea, I don’t know too much about transmissions or gearing, stuff along those lines. I would love to see an episode about things among that category! Thanks guys! Keep it up!
so in conclusion and once a very wise man said: *"MO POWA BABEH"*
Well no, some stage 2 can make more power than stage 3. Stage means absolutely nothing.
@@DuBstep115 mo powa is mo powa
@@DuBstep115
Isn't it all just PR catchphrases, specific to the company making the bits being bolted onto the car?
“Super big ol honkin turbocharger” on an image of a supercharger
The engine that spins that supercharger is turbocharged, and has a stage pi tune. Duh.
The reason the rest of the car community laughs.
Definitely the editor’s fault and not his, he’s just talking but the editors add the images and graphics to the vid
I was curious about these things and you uploaded the video at the same time. So pumped for the video😎😎
Very good video. Thank you all! Jerry and the editing team. Big win on this one.
Jeremiah has the most thorough and detailed Videos and Donut did a great job continuously Bringing him in
Nothing says, “I don’t know shit about cars” like when they start talking about “stage upgrades”
Agreed. I go to some Subaru meets, and people are like "What stage is it." And I'm like.... "Uh... Well, it has this this and that. " And they're like "Okay, but what stage."
Me: "Stage 2.37".
The only thing I use stages for is cams, because the kinda guys I talk to don't understand lift/duration and stuff. Other than that I might say "they call it a stage 2 trans" but then proceed to lay out that it comes with better clutch packs that are rated up to 600 ft-lbs input, a custom redone valve body, and a brazed 2200 stall lockup torque converter good for about 500 horsepower. And if I'm talking about something like I'm running twin 57mm precisions feeding a gen3 whipple, etc, etc, and they don't get it then I might dumb it down and say something like "think of it as a solid overall stage 6 setup that makes 1xxx horsepower (for the record I'm running a full bolt on motor right now making maybe 300, not dumb enough to run a thousand horse motor on a 500 horse cobverter.
I wanned to Unserstand but i only hear: TURBO CHARGER, DODGE DEAMON, TUNING, FUEL INJECTORS, EXHAUST, HORSEPOWER, STAGE 1, 2, 3, GRAN TURISMO, PERFORMANCE, MODIFYING, PROGRAMMING THE SOFTWARE, AUDI, SUPRA, REARWHEEL,
Unless they’re talking about the tune itself this is true...
Definitely. "stages" are something you would find in a video game or something. Has no relation to real life tuning.
Yo, what mod do you have in your car?
Golf gti owner: stage 3
I love the effort they put into their sponsored ads. Shows their creativity and the relationships they have with people that help the income!
Uncle Jerry bringing out the Buff Horses to become a Stage Coach.
Don't let sean macguire know
@@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 dayumm
@@loganbisset8710 dude it’s a bot. They’re every where and this is one of the most common ones
stage 1 is the 1st season, their are talking about initial d
@F**СК МЕ - СНЕСK МY РR0FILЕ why is that bot everywhere
@@user-lw5pj1yr8p yes
The best part of Gran Turismo is after you fully stage out your car you can race modify it. The surprise that came along with what it look like after the race modification was the coolest. They should totally bring that back to like Forza or something.
A industry standardization on Stage upgrades would be pretty nice though.
TL;DW: They’re relevant within the same company. Don’t compare stages across cars or brands.
The only thing you can *kinda* compare across manufacturers is cams, generally beyond stage 3 suffers heavy drivability penalties to deliver better peak, and generally a stage 1 is the only one that can be used with an otherwise stock valvetrain, generally stage 2s and 3s need better valve springs and retainers.
TLDR, is is video game non-sense that idiots who don't know about cars brought to the car world. Or alternately explained, it is video game non-sense that marketing people from performance companies brought to the car world to sell to a larger group of people than just actual car people.
Jerry: "Wasn't cheap... Or successful."
Oooofff!😥🚗💨
poor Nolan...
Finally!! I've been so confused about this for so long. My mind is enlightened.
Next need to find a vid to explain how you remove all the panels without visible screws in a car T_T
And then how to tell what is what on an engine.
And then what fluids needs to come out for any given job T_T
Stage 5: **DANGER TO MANIFOLD**
Fun fact: Donut Media is the only channel with skippable ads that don’t get skipped
And i love them even more for it
@@redhednitemare right??
Day 137 of asking James to do an uptospeed on himself
Day 53 of asking Jeremiah to do a B2B on an LMP car
Like for 919 Hybrid Evo, Reply for TS050
You wrote day 18 and now day 137 🤦♂️
No need to lie you commented 2 times with 18 and 137 days so your lieng
🧢
Where is Pagani gaming?
This is interesting because I always thought:
Stage 1 = remap
Stage 2 = remap with supporting-type parts (cooling, etc.)
Stage 3 = more serious power upgrades like turbos, etc.
KNOWLEDGE
Really good stuff! Thanks Donut Media!!!!!!!
Love that this came from GT.
True what you say about stages, I am getting a stage 2 on my car in March.
This is a high flow turbo back exhaust system.
Uprated induction kit (stage 1 is filter change)
Stage 2 intercooler (a larger cooler, as per stage 1, but ducted)
Upgraded clutch.
Stage 2 remap by REVO (reflash of stock ECU)
~36% increase in power estimated.
Thank you! I've been wanting to understand these "stages" for years now.
In the UK the general understanding is;
*Stage 1* - ECU software *only*
*Stage 2* - ECU + Bolt ons/Induction kit
*Stage 3* - All of the above +Turbo Upgrade/ Supercharger.
*Stage 4* All of the above + Fully built / forged engine
Sounds like the srt4 dealer stages
Shoutout to donut for putting the yellow line at the bottom of their in-video adds so we know where to scrub to if we wanna skip it
Thank you so much for finally calling out the stage BS. I've been waiting a long time for someone to agree with me.
Love the “Working on GFX” at 5:41 lol. Likely a missed shot, but actually totally works with Donut’s humor and style
I remember when I started learning about cam upgrades for LS3s I remember reading one site that said a stage 1 cam was generally a +30 hp gain and I installed a stage 1 from TX Speed and it gained me about +90 hp.
jesus fuck, if only i could do that to my FA20
I hate how they denote everything in stages. That literally tells you nothing. Intake/Exhause duration, lift and lobe seperation are much more helpful. I always see people get the biggest cam they can find only to find out their engine becomes completely unusable on the street and there's not even enough vacuum to work the brake booster.
This guy's videos are getting better and better and he's a huge dork and very endearing
"Well this isn't a history show"
Man that hit hard.
Honestly I feel like they sort of are a history show. I've thought about all the various car channels on UA-cam (and elsewhere), and Donut is mostly "how did this car, model, company, way of things in driving and the automobile industry, etc, come to be?" They've sort of diversified from that more recently, but much of their main originals - Bumper2Bumper, Up To Speed, and Wheelhouse - are of this vein.
Other popular car channels:
MightyCarMods: "What nonsense can we do with this car?"
RegularCars: "What does this car mean, in it's time and now, and who is it for?"
Top Gear/Grand tour: "How can these cars make 3 old British guys behave like middle schoolers?"
Engineering Explained: "How does this car work?"
"but we are not here to talk about the HISTORY of race tuning, oh no, we're here to talk about what it's like to own a tuned car!"
Day 17 of asking James to do an uptospeed on Top Gear
Day 52 of asking Jeremiah to do a B2B on an LMP car
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I second this
Holy shit that’s genius
Ur liar you also said day 137
Day 400 of asking for Science Garage to return
Finally i learnt more from this video than my Mechanics course in this semester
My 2002 Subaru WRX wagon was Stage 2+ using a cobb SF intake/FULL TBE & was Pro-tuned on 93 gas at a performance shop in my area. Going any higher would cause damage to the stock motor/transmission.
Stages are also used in the offroad racing suspension world EX: stage 1: bumpstops, stage 2: springs stage 3: coilovers, stage 4: dual shocks/bypasses
Well in the road rally racing it used to be for the classes
Day one of asking for speeding ticket stories
Isn’t that literally just VinWIKI
Go watch VinWiki bruh
It would be cool to hear the Donut team’s personal stories, maybe they can be featured on vinwiki
Thats why I love vinwiki. I wanna hear how badly they've been caught and what they do in their personal lives
You guys make awesome videos. Keep up the great work 👍
Never understood stages so thanks for the clarification. As a supra owner, we went by bpu, bpu+, apu. Etc. (Basic performance upgrade, advanced performance upgrades)
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first
Keep going, we'll support you until it happens!
day 1 of supporting pagnai and waiting for the last day
Almost at 300 days, lets go
Keep going man!
this was a much needed video, we all have seen those stages in games and floating around but nothing tied to it... personally i was thinking maybe it came with special turbos combined with intercoolers... but explained like that, this makes a lot more sense. also, if you have the game Automation and BeamNG Drive, you could make that "Donut Jerwagon" a thing!
Always do such a great job explaining things.. 🙏
Love the looks of that jerwagen or whatever you call it.
Love saloons, always liked the look fo the new civics front end and love the modern audi rear end, they all work.
accidentally clicked on the notification guess im watching now
I usually see stage numbers used most on clutches, which makes a lot sense. You can easily get an idea of how aggressive the clutch it based on its stage number.
The "Jerwagon" needs to be a 5 cylinder, for it's torque and it's sweet, sweet sounds!
STAGES: mean absolutely nothing. keep watching fast n furious.
Nice name and profile pic. Just finished the book today. Still have alot of questions tho lol
@@helaasonbekend4137 it just so happens to be the year we live in!
nah fam, subaru guys started this stage nonsense
yeah stages only apply to certain parts from certain manufacturers but to say a car is a "stage 1" build is just dumb.
Stage is just part tolerance actually
Jeremiah: "200hp, 200ft/lbs, rwd"
me: "sounds like my stock Z31"
Jeremiah: " *JERVAGEN* "
Thank you bro this has taught me a lot about stages...
I'm so glad to see Tom Delonge is out here dropping car knowledge while finding aliens 👽
me slapping a big ol sticker on my car: "+5000 buff horsies on this stage 69 sticker"
I am sure he said "brumper to brumper" At the start....
Brumper to brumper is what I do to my cousin
@@lucysmith4242 no
so damn helpful and so well put together , THANK YOU
Man this guy is my favourite.
He's the one I relate to the most I wish he had more screentime
Thank you for a very nice and simplified explanation. I have had the same questions for a long time: how do you compare different company stages, but now i know everyone markets their own numbers. My only question is: Is it going to be cumbersome on the engine when you upgrade to higher stages? Are there side effects on the engine when you are now pushing the engine harder?
you'll lower engine life expectancy and possibly have to rebuild it with reinforced parts
Honestly to me I love the way it sounds when you have a stage 3 racing clutch in your shitbox lol
in Brazil this "stage" is more popular, and ever more spek, great video.
Its really sad the fact that after all this valuable informations and the great work you guys are doing in this channel we only see 5m subscribers!
"Finally, we get what we deserve"
Daniel Riccardo 2019
fun fact: everyone commenting now has not watched 1 minute of this video
Truth lol
Haha
facts
Two
Lol
U guys will not believe me yesterday i was talking with my brother that what does these stages mean why people upgrade in stages why not skip stages like from stage 1 to 3 or 4,and i was thinking to search about this topic, but today i got a notification and BOOM
my words as itis in this video. ❤️
That was an awesome explanation. I want me that Jerwagen now.
This was actually well done, unironically.
Great job, Donut.
For my car, I saw water pump kits advertised as stages depending on how complete the kit was. I don't think any of them added power sadly
Great video! Insightful to say the least
"stage" mods also vary by car - For example, in a WRX or STi stage 1 is commonly accepted as an aftermarket tune, stage 2 involves a downpipe (high flow cats or catless) and tune. Stage 3 is where it gets wonky though, as it's usually fuel system, turbo and/or intercooler upgrades and a reflash, but it gets pretty "a-la-cart" depending on the individuals goals. CAI & catback can be done whenever as they don't really have an impact on the cars performance (CAI usually has a negative impact though).
-When my friends make fun of my HP after my mods
"This isn't even my final stage"
When someone starts talking stages to me my attention span goes out the window.
I'm weak Cuz on the AutoZone commercial tht Shxt dope 😂💯
I love the big old honking turbo is a Vortech.
i always thought people who say "stage x" just learned how to drive manual in forza.
ok but actually i learned on a sim on forza and translated fluently to a an actual car
You guys have made me feel old.
Thanks a lot!
I watched my brother "stage 1" gass flow the head of his 1970's 2 stroke Kawasaki in the mid 80's
When video games went beep and were called "pong"
🤣
seemed like they were nice times tbh, i was born in 95 so gran turismo 1 was not smth that I knew existed untill now
You guys should make a history video on Gran Turismo. And while you’re at it, do one on the NFS Franchise as well. Two Good ideas for Up to Speed.
Thank you for explaining this.
I would lowkey drive The Donut Jerwagen
What he said: "Woo-Wee!"
What UA-cam Captions thinks he said: "Who are we?"
I'm doing a daily driver build on my Chevy Trax. It has the 1.4L ecotec turbo. The airbox on these (and the Cruze) is designed to move air UP thru the filter. The factory turbo is built in to the exhaust manifold. I replaced the turbo with a OE equivalent with a billet wheel. High density valve cover and intake manifold. Installed higher temp spark plugs and coil pack. Installed larger intercooler, and cold air intake. My next planned mod is exhaust, I'm going to dual pipe if there is room. All that said, what mod should I do next? I don't want to replace anything inside the engine.
Thanks for the important info you made this so easy for people starting to tune their cars like me, after this video i was able to successfully blow a rod through my motor
It actually stands for what season you’re on in Initial D
Final stage let's go boys