I am so damn happy with how this beast is coming together, the stuff of childhood dreams and we are getting it done FAST!!!! To be finally going on this journey with the support of Wētā Workshop is just incredible. The summer weather, the old Rohan metal models, the sound of the battle of Helms Deep as I'm working, this is just PEAK nostalgia, and I cannot wait to give you all a finished Helms Deep video for Christmas
definitley very cool - makes me wanna watch lotr again (not even the biggest fan :D) BUT its not as cool as the guy thats building the Cyberpunk Quadra Car :D
I know the 3D prints/plastic kits are super good but there's something so satisfying about seeing hand built foam stuff. That and the natural formations really pulls things together. One of my favourite videos for a long while. Can't wait for the batrep. It'd be so cool to do a big collaboration with Conquest creations for some massive battles
Once the ground texture and flock goes down, it's really going to pop. That's awesome news, too. Conquest are such a great channel. Can't wait for that video to come out!
@@Zorpazorp I think the way you're doing things is perfect! Repeatable terrain that can be done and be touched up with only some customization (vines, mud, etc) should be 3D printed. Other stuff that isn't repeatable should be custom made. Mixing the 2, you can turn a 1 man operation into a significant work force. 😊 Source: a 3D printing enthusiast of 10 years, who has on multiple occasions done the work of 5 people while studying in Uni and working a part time job 😂
They get slammed very hard haha. Imagine poor bricky. Just watching new foilies come and go week in, week out. While he soldiers on, slowly wearing, but never enough to go to his own long rest.
Only reason GW hasn't included all your gamingboards in their Warhammer world is that it's physically impossible to ship these over half of the globe. One of your best videos ever❤
Looks incredible! I'm really buzzed to be seeing the interior layout of the fortress, for some reason it never occurred to me to wonder how deep into the cliffs it went. Anyway, now that I see it, you know what you should've used to prop up the hall? A mini-fridge for gaming nights!
Fanstastic board locky :) Glad to see you focus on the rear section. I too am focusing on this part of the fortress for my own EPIC Helm Deep build. Lol I actually have two Helm Deep builds coming out, (reason for that) one this year and one next year. If you think I'm a bit mad, well because of you dude. My biggest wipe off sweat moment is the fact my build is different to yours ha ha. Keep up the good work.
Really, this Helms Deep series made me an even bigger fan of your channel than I was before. Awesome how it turned out, you really exceeded my expectations there.
Gosh I love it! I started at an early age due to my dad ordering the Lotr Tabletop magazines. When they showed how to make Helms Deep, we wanted to do this so Badly. We already recreated weathertop and balins Grave. As well es some Houses for Bree(still in my dads basement). We Both love the Trilogy and the books. I Even Play an Orc in German Larp, based on LOTR lore due to my love for Tolkiens world. Its sad that it never happened. My dad is still around but we got disconnected. I started painting Minis again, a few weeks ago and want to Build a huge pelenor Field diorama in the Future. He is also still working on some stuff but got detached to tabletop. I am so glad seeing the Mega Board Come to live. Its my childhood dream, that you are living Right now. Please keep up! Not only recreating the Locations, but also visiting them, as well as working with and visiting weta. That is a huge W! I love everything that you are doing and your ditcation to all This. You are making my Dream Come true! ❤️
This is by far the best video you have uploaded in recent times. Its great how you show off the biggature and movie references so the viewer is always aware of what is being built and can start to imagine the first sections of foam, understanding where in the bigger model it will sit. A good balance of handcrafted stuff and 3D models to keep things interesting. There isnt many lingering pauses and the completion is just stunning. When i thought it couldnt be topped you assembled the whole board with miniatures. Amazing work, keep it up! I'm so impressed by how this board is coming together.
Duuuude!!! OMG thats incredible! I love how complete it is and that is the mother of all tabletop rock faces, excellent video really loved it thank you
Man, this rock face is just absolutely gorgeous. It really pops and ties the whole piece together. I can't wait for the next level of detail on this. Some grass here and there and some shrubbery. As soon as this month is over. Consider me signed in on the patron. I really want to see these projects go to their deserved achievement.
to even out the back of the build you can always build the glittering caves among the supports beneath the castle, seams of silver, gold and gems so beautiful a dwarf dare not mine them
Some random thoughts. On your pine wood frame my go to would be dowels and glue instead of screws. Mechanical joints are strong but with swelling and shrinking of the wood they can split the pine. Because of warping over time, I would switch from solid wood and opt for cabinet grade plywood (baltic birch if you can get it: as you want material without voids). Yes, it is more work to cut it down, the end result is going to be MUCH more stable. I love plaster cast rocks, I tend to use Dental plaster for such things though. In this instance though, Dental Plaster would be WAY too heavy. On such a massive build, to keep it light as possible, use foam rocks instead? I definitely like the fact that you magnetized components of this monster build. Those random thoughts in NO way take away from just how insanely cool this build is! Please keep it coming! Thank you. :)
Mac some really baller advice there mate! I've already been looking at strenthening the underframe because it is a bit too susceptible to torsion, whichi might crack the plaster. Yeah I usually use dental plaster too, but for weight I went with cheaper stuff, I just can't stomach foam rocks for the lack of realism, but maybe some old school foil rocks? I'll have a looksy
I thought the last Helms Deep build was good but adding in this new section and the cliffs has taken it from good to exceptional. Cannot wait to see what the final project looks like
Holy crap this is incredible! I've absolutely loved watching this project. A good visible end point, and incredible progress. Really hope the algorithm gives this series the attention it deserves!
I love all your mega builds and theyre something I havent see any other creator match. As much as I love 40k and DoW, you've single handedly reinvigorated my love for LotR as GW continually denies me models. You have to be the biggest MESBG champion on the internet.
I was wondering if you would ever get to do a dwarf-hold in my lifetime. This wicked fast progress on Helm's Deep gives me hope I'll see you tackle the Lonely Mountain someday...!
This is possibly the best video I’ve ever seen. You are literally living out my life long dream since I saw the movies and started collecting the GW models when I was about 8. You are making a lot of hobbyists… very happy… and jealous of your massive workshop haha!! Good work! Thankyou for giving me this joy! Genuinely! I always wondered how they get from the back stair well through to the main keep, I guess it’s that little door at the top of the ruined inner circle walled gatehouse!! Also, can you please make the rest of the surrounding landscape I.e. the glittering cave system, the tryhurne mountain, helms dyke the deeping Combe and the rest of the Westfold vale 😂 please!
Amazing! I´m looking forward to how you´re going to make the gorge from which the Deeping Stream emerges, and where the majority of the horses were kept, and to which Eomer and Gimli retreated in the book. In other words, please make it book accurate rather than screen accurate! :) Or maybe build two versions of the area behind the Deeping Wall. One book accurate and one screen accurate, and make them switchable.
Blown away. It must be the best warhammer lotr board on the planet… Games workshop should really promote this build somehow for their new set. I’ve never played warhammer but this makes me want to get into it asap.
Its getting to the point where I'm just blown away with the detail and size. Have you any plans to display this at Te Papa or elsewhere in NZ? I'd love to see this and your 40k build in person.
I love how its become Aragorns precious stairwell, just because he ran up it while retreating :D Man... i dont know what to say, if this isnt making every LotR fans heart beating faster i dont know what is, i love the deep regions of Helns deep
Maaaaaaaaaate. I absolutely lost it after having the most cold, long, exhausting Workday since the awakening of mankind, when you said the great carving of our time..... Oh man ill have the laugh cramps for the coming days. Insane moment Thnx for that, we are blessed with you, your projects and your humor. Hail to the greatest carver UA-cam has ever known!
That is beautiful work Zorp,even as a work in progress it's awesome. The detail and the work you put into this is a delight to watch.Look forward to seeing this incredible model of Helms Deep continue to grow .
Apologies for the language but mate this thing is fucking unreal! Honestly looking like the best scenery build I’ve ever seen! The scale especially when looking form the back down onto the wall… stunning! This sort of content and your channel in general deserve so many more views! Hopefully plenty of Elven archers on those walls eventually 😉
How the f*ck don't you have 1 mill subscribers already? This is just insane work. And not just The hornburg, but the rest too -Minas tirith, Pellinor fields, Osgiliath, the Imperial palace...just crazy good stuff. Not seen anything close to this scale on UA-cam...
Amazing progress! The size of this board is just crazy. If this video won't get at least hundreds of thousands of views then it would mean that something wrong is with YT. Can not wait for next update :)
Another great video! I can't wait to see the battle report on this amazing board. And Théoden can never have too many parties, I mean they are the Ravers of Rohan after all!
Amazing , man, this is reallly coming together!!!! A little sugsetion: when doing the detail painting paint some white streaks from the diffrent edges to mimic bird poo:))) makes it even more realistic. Again, amazing stuff, youre my favorite hobby youtuber :>
So when are the people from Weta going to come and visit your world of middle earth? Now on a serious note, sir outstanding work you have unlocked a new level of war gaming board building. Again well done.
I was having a really bad, defeated start to the day, cue a timely Zorp vid drop to lift the spirits :) The world is a better place for ridiculous size terrain builds :D
I am so damn happy with how this beast is coming together, the stuff of childhood dreams and we are getting it done FAST!!!! To be finally going on this journey with the support of Wētā Workshop is just incredible. The summer weather, the old Rohan metal models, the sound of the battle of Helms Deep as I'm working, this is just PEAK nostalgia, and I cannot wait to give you all a finished Helms Deep video for Christmas
This is possibly the coolest project on UA-cam.
Wow thank you Brian!
definitley very cool - makes me wanna watch lotr again (not even the biggest fan :D)
BUT its not as cool as the guy thats building the Cyberpunk Quadra Car :D
I know the 3D prints/plastic kits are super good but there's something so satisfying about seeing hand built foam stuff. That and the natural formations really pulls things together. One of my favourite videos for a long while. Can't wait for the batrep. It'd be so cool to do a big collaboration with Conquest creations for some massive battles
Thanks man, yeah the big hybrid of materials is the way hey, makes it all so satisfying! Jakey is flying over in January for just that!
Once the ground texture and flock goes down, it's really going to pop. That's awesome news, too. Conquest are such a great channel. Can't wait for that video to come out!
@@Zorpazorp I think the way you're doing things is perfect!
Repeatable terrain that can be done and be touched up with only some customization (vines, mud, etc) should be 3D printed.
Other stuff that isn't repeatable should be custom made.
Mixing the 2, you can turn a 1 man operation into a significant work force. 😊
Source: a 3D printing enthusiast of 10 years, who has on multiple occasions done the work of 5 people while studying in Uni and working a part time job 😂
Just unbelievably excellent. The texture team (foilie and brickie) need a raise
They get slammed very hard haha. Imagine poor bricky. Just watching new foilies come and go week in, week out. While he soldiers on, slowly wearing, but never enough to go to his own long rest.
Me (as Gimli): Legolas! Two [painted pieces of terrain] already!
Zorpazorp (as Legolas):
Maaaaaaaaaate! This truly is the board of our time
Aww thank you mate :)
Only reason GW hasn't included all your gamingboards in their Warhammer world is that it's physically impossible to ship these over half of the globe. One of your best videos ever❤
Looking MASSIVE. Cant wait for a battle report on this beast.❤
Up up up up up the stairs we go. :)
AND THEN IT'S INTO THE TUNNEL.. CAVES? HJaha thanks as always Sahidko you legend
@@Zorpazorp deserved as always :)
This is living a terrainmakers dream through your videos. Amazing content, amazing builds! Happy to be here for the ride!
Aww thank you Hippo!
My new favourite Zoro project after Grey Havens
Thank you mate :) Hoping to sqeeuze in a Grey Havens update in maybe February
Looks incredible! I'm really buzzed to be seeing the interior layout of the fortress, for some reason it never occurred to me to wonder how deep into the cliffs it went. Anyway, now that I see it, you know what you should've used to prop up the hall? A mini-fridge for gaming nights!
That is huge can't wait to see Rohan defend this complete beast of a board . You are truly the master of massive scenery.
These type of videos are the reason why I subscribed to your channel so many years ago...
Glad you're still enjoying it mate :)
Fanstastic board locky :)
Glad to see you focus on the rear section. I too am focusing on this part of the fortress for my own EPIC Helm Deep build. Lol I actually have two Helm Deep builds coming out, (reason for that) one this year and one next year. If you think I'm a bit mad, well because of you dude. My biggest wipe off sweat moment is the fact my build is different to yours ha ha. Keep up the good work.
Théoden rave gets me every time 😂 honestly the keep is just insane, this is now definitely my favourite build ever 🎉
Really, this Helms Deep series made me an even bigger fan of your channel than I was before. Awesome how it turned out, you really exceeded my expectations there.
Aww thank you so much mate, it's been a joy to make!
Gosh I love it!
I started at an early age due to my dad ordering the Lotr Tabletop magazines.
When they showed how to make Helms Deep, we wanted to do this so Badly.
We already recreated weathertop and balins Grave. As well es some Houses for Bree(still in my dads basement).
We Both love the Trilogy and the books. I Even Play an Orc in German Larp, based on LOTR lore due to my love for Tolkiens world.
Its sad that it never happened. My dad is still around but we got disconnected.
I started painting Minis again, a few weeks ago and want to Build a huge pelenor Field diorama in the Future. He is also still working on some stuff but got detached to tabletop.
I am so glad seeing the Mega Board Come to live.
Its my childhood dream, that you are living Right now. Please keep up!
Not only recreating the Locations, but also visiting them, as well as working with and visiting weta.
That is a huge W!
I love everything that you are doing and your ditcation to all This. You are making my Dream Come true! ❤️
This is by far the best video you have uploaded in recent times. Its great how you show off the biggature and movie references so the viewer is always aware of what is being built and can start to imagine the first sections of foam, understanding where in the bigger model it will sit. A good balance of handcrafted stuff and 3D models to keep things interesting. There isnt many lingering pauses and the completion is just stunning. When i thought it couldnt be topped you assembled the whole board with miniatures. Amazing work, keep it up! I'm so impressed by how this board is coming together.
it looks amazing, I can't wait until it's ready, thanks for the video 👌👍👊
Duuuude!!! OMG thats incredible! I love how complete it is and that is the mother of all tabletop rock faces, excellent video really loved it thank you
Ah cheers Davey
Man, this rock face is just absolutely gorgeous. It really pops and ties the whole piece together. I can't wait for the next level of detail on this. Some grass here and there and some shrubbery. As soon as this month is over. Consider me signed in on the patron. I really want to see these projects go to their deserved achievement.
This is insanity. Beautiful, amazing, incredible, astonishing insanity! Keep it up, I'm loving seeing how it's coming together.
Hahaha thank you Kieran!!!
Oh my god,, man this is amazing. Can't wait to see the hordes of Saruman storm that Deeping wall.
You and me both Luke!
Sometimes it's good to wake up at 3:00 in the morning. Great video!
Happy to interrupt your sleep haha
to even out the back of the build you can always build the glittering caves among the supports beneath the castle, seams of silver, gold and gems so beautiful a dwarf dare not mine them
Love the build. It's super cool to see what you can do with a 3D print as your base. The rockwork is also awesome. How heavy is the build already?
It's actually not too bad! The plaster is very lightweight stuff, probabaly like 40kg?
Some random thoughts. On your pine wood frame my go to would be dowels and glue instead of screws. Mechanical joints are strong but with swelling and shrinking of the wood they can split the pine. Because of warping over time, I would switch from solid wood and opt for cabinet grade plywood (baltic birch if you can get it: as you want material without voids). Yes, it is more work to cut it down, the end result is going to be MUCH more stable. I love plaster cast rocks, I tend to use Dental plaster for such things though. In this instance though, Dental Plaster would be WAY too heavy. On such a massive build, to keep it light as possible, use foam rocks instead? I definitely like the fact that you magnetized components of this monster build. Those random thoughts in NO way take away from just how insanely cool this build is! Please keep it coming! Thank you. :)
Mac some really baller advice there mate! I've already been looking at strenthening the underframe because it is a bit too susceptible to torsion, whichi might crack the plaster. Yeah I usually use dental plaster too, but for weight I went with cheaper stuff, I just can't stomach foam rocks for the lack of realism, but maybe some old school foil rocks? I'll have a looksy
The reoccuring hobbit rave running joke should find its way into every video. I have spoken.
Don't tempt me Frodo hahaha
That looks incredible. Awesome work
Thank you! Cheers!
Although it’s not done- the scale, paint, and excitement is incredible.
Helm’s deep is gonna be amazing to watch on fold for battles.
This gives me chills to see how good is looking, wish I could do this stuff.
Once Helm's Deep itself is done, might need some plains for all those thousands of Uruk-hai :)
Love the build, its awesome to see it come to life.
I thought the last Helms Deep build was good but adding in this new section and the cliffs has taken it from good to exceptional. Cannot wait to see what the final project looks like
Holy crap this is incredible! I've absolutely loved watching this project. A good visible end point, and incredible progress. Really hope the algorithm gives this series the attention it deserves!
Absolutely epic! Your talent is inspiring mate. What a piece to have in your collection. Canr wait to see the games on it.
Thanks heaps Chrissy, it's been a whole lotta fun! And yesss imagine the battles haha
Love the timelapse of the flagstones, "That's not a CNC machine... that's a ZAZ" (ZorpAZorp)
Looking really excellent! Crazy how good and natural the leopard spotting technique looks
I love all your mega builds and theyre something I havent see any other creator match. As much as I love 40k and DoW, you've single handedly reinvigorated my love for LotR as GW continually denies me models. You have to be the biggest MESBG champion on the internet.
"But my lord there is no such force."
I cannot wait to see the scale of that Uruk Hai legion marching on this.
I was wondering if you would ever get to do a dwarf-hold in my lifetime. This wicked fast progress on Helm's Deep gives me hope I'll see you tackle the Lonely Mountain someday...!
Loving this! Can't wait for Edoras. Just needs a statue of Helm Hammerhand somewhere!
Those are 100% the BEST painted cliffs you've ever done, holy shit they look so good!
This is gorgeous! Great video!
Thanks heaps mate, really appreciate it!
This is possibly the best video I’ve ever seen. You are literally living out my life long dream since I saw the movies and started collecting the GW models when I was about 8. You are making a lot of hobbyists… very happy… and jealous of your massive workshop haha!! Good work! Thankyou for giving me this joy! Genuinely!
I always wondered how they get from the back stair well through to the main keep, I guess it’s that little door at the top of the ruined inner circle walled gatehouse!!
Also, can you please make the rest of the surrounding landscape I.e. the glittering cave system, the tryhurne mountain, helms dyke the deeping Combe and the rest of the Westfold vale 😂 please!
Amazing!
I´m looking forward to how you´re going to make the gorge from which the Deeping Stream emerges, and where the majority of the horses were kept, and to which Eomer and Gimli retreated in the book. In other words, please make it book accurate rather than screen accurate! :) Or maybe build two versions of the area behind the Deeping Wall. One book accurate and one screen accurate, and make them switchable.
100% want to incorporate a caves entrance in the gorge so I can do the Gimli and Eomer retreat!
This thing is so ridiculous , it's almost unbelievable. Cannot wait to see it finished
Thank you mate, I can't wait either haha
Blown away. It must be the best warhammer lotr board on the planet… Games workshop should really promote this build somehow for their new set. I’ve never played warhammer but this makes me want to get into it asap.
That rock face looked insanely realistic all of a sudden! Man, I actually really wish I had access to this. Maybe you should rent these boards out 😂
It looks absolutely stunning and it's not even finished yet. You are the king of scenery builders, awesome work as always!!
I am completely geeking out with this project!!!! Some of the most beautiful results I’ve ever seen on UA-cam!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
When the wrong part of the wall snapped I felt that physically and jumped a bit
Its getting to the point where I'm just blown away with the detail and size. Have you any plans to display this at Te Papa or elsewhere in NZ? I'd love to see this and your 40k build in person.
I popped up right in front of WETA on geoguesser! Felt like i had been through that entrance many times with you ... What a trip!
I love how its become Aragorns precious stairwell, just because he ran up it while retreating :D
Man... i dont know what to say, if this isnt making every LotR fans heart beating faster i dont know what is, i love the deep regions of Helns deep
Your builds are always an inspiration, and Helms Deep is looking absolutely gorgeous. Your work is just so good!
Thank you very much!
It's looking awesome man, can't wait to see it finished. Question though, aren't they steps going to be a bit difficult to stand models on?
Blue tac mate :) Screen accuracy wins out on those for sure.
so talented looks amazing
Thank you Laurence!
Maaaaaaaaaate. I absolutely lost it after having the most cold, long, exhausting Workday since the awakening of mankind, when you said the great carving of our time.....
Oh man ill have the laugh cramps for the coming days. Insane moment
Thnx for that, we are blessed with you, your projects and your humor.
Hail to the greatest carver UA-cam has ever known!
This is such a cool project. It looks exactly like in the movie I can’t wait to see it with minis
Sauron: "Give me a gaming table worthy.... of Mordooooor"
Zorpa: "Challenge accepted
And then we connect it to others!"
Thumbs up for making it so playable!
That is beautiful work Zorp,even as a work in progress it's awesome. The detail and the work you put into this is a delight to watch.Look forward to seeing this incredible model of Helms Deep continue to grow .
This is so well done! I get so excited waiting for these videos to come out! I love how Helms Deep is shaping up!
I'm off work sick today, and this was perfect
Hope you feel better soon mate and glad to lighten the sick day!
Amazing
These vids and most of the Zorpazorp family of channels keep me inspired to paint and work on terrain! Please keep it up!
What a an amazing project. Must be mindblowing for people who get to play MESBG on it 🤯🤩
DUDE!!! Much Respect... I would love to be able to work projects like this... inspiring my man... keep up the good work .
It's so massive🤯
The shots with figures for scale are just insane! Great work Lachie👏👏👏
I did not expect this to be as big as it is!! Outstanding, can't wait to see what is to come
This is fast becoming my favorite megaboard to date, absolutely bonkers!!!
This video was absolutely insane. I’m in awe of how good this is looking!!
Apologies for the language but mate this thing is fucking unreal! Honestly looking like the best scenery build I’ve ever seen!
The scale especially when looking form the back down onto the wall… stunning!
This sort of content and your channel in general deserve so many more views!
Hopefully plenty of Elven archers on those walls eventually 😉
The board is looking great, I'm excited to see the battle report on Zorp of the Rings.
How the f*ck don't you have 1 mill subscribers already? This is just insane work. And not just The hornburg, but the rest too -Minas tirith, Pellinor fields, Osgiliath, the Imperial palace...just crazy good stuff. Not seen anything close to this scale on UA-cam...
Bricky, Foily, Scalpel and Pencil - the Avengers of the Zorpazorp Cinematic Universe
Amazing progress! The size of this board is just crazy. If this video won't get at least hundreds of thousands of views then it would mean that something wrong is with YT. Can not wait for next update :)
Another great video! I can't wait to see the battle report on this amazing board. And Théoden can never have too many parties, I mean they are the Ravers of Rohan after all!
Wow Lochy.
Another Epic build.
It is looking amazing so far.
Happy modelling
You're doing a great job, man... those cliffs are awesome. The colors and variation are very natural.
I’m Im having fun watching every time, even knowing it’s involving foily and bricky again. :) Keep it up!
Thanks awesome to hear mate!
Awesome build!
Can’t wait to see the end result.
Amazing skills are needed to build this wonderful diorama. Congratulations!
Wētā Workshop give him a job, his work is on par with top lvl films , keep up the great content, looking forward to finish build and nxt projects
I'm not saying we need a battle report with 10,000 Uruks, but with the massive scale of Helm's Deep, I feel it would be only appropriate.
Amazing , man, this is reallly coming together!!!! A little sugsetion: when doing the detail painting paint some white streaks from the diffrent edges to mimic bird poo:))) makes it even more realistic. Again, amazing stuff, youre my favorite hobby youtuber :>
Holy crap this is insane on a new level. Great work!
This is looking incredible! I think it might be my favourite project yet!
I have never been so jealous in my life!! THIS IS AMAZING!!
Lachie, this is just absolutely superb... I have no words!
I would love to see an online workshop on crafting terrain
I realy love this Project and i'm very looking forward to see some actual gameplay on it!
We need speaker in the horn tower so you can play that epic Horn of Helm Hammerhan!
So when are the people from Weta going to come and visit your world of middle earth?
Now on a serious note, sir outstanding work you have unlocked a new level of war gaming board building. Again well done.
You are making my childhood dream come true ! This is awesome !!!!
I'm so addicted to these videos! They are a huge inspiration for my own hobby time too! :)
I'm expecting the next video to be like "My board is do big I installed a Mission Impossible pulley to work on it!"
Another great video! Also, gotta love the second (that I recall) that you have mentioned needing more Rohan models.....hmmmm seems rather suspicious 😉
I was having a really bad, defeated start to the day, cue a timely Zorp vid drop to lift the spirits :) The world is a better place for ridiculous size terrain builds :D