If clinical guidelines were any good or at least sufficient, there wouldn’t be a massive shift occurring like we’re observing now. People wouldn’t be flocking to sources of information other than the mainstream on how to improve themselves physically and mentally, if those guidelines were helpful. I think it means they’ve been continuously failing people over the years and, one by one, slowly but surely, we’re waking up.
Satiety sensation achievement is an important part of self awareness education among people “ overfed “. We need more education and conversation around it.
Thank you for this excellent conversation. I really appreciate your vital contribution to health and wellness. Protein is a nuanced topic and you dive right in there in all of its complexity. I have learned so much thanks to your enthusiasm and expertise.
For thermal effect, I can say I noticed a difference between taking whey isolate protein powder and switching to vegan pea protein powder. The pea protein had 10 more grams per scoop but my weight loss was stalling about a week after I started it.
This was helpful and provided some clarity. For those of us that are older (67) & hampered w/the limitations of our ability to utilize adequate amts of protein, I’d ingest crappy tasting supplemental EEA’s to achieve that goal. Ultimately, maintaining muscle (for strength & endurance) is worth a few sips of yuk! I now use Kion EAA to help meet my daily goals. I cannot eat enough to overcome the approximately 1 g per lb body weight recommended. Any other suggestions? Anyone?
Why do you believe you need 1 g/lb of protein? Is this primarily for gaining or maintaining muscle mass and strength? Or do you believe their are other health benefits?
@@jakubchrobry3701 The recommendation is around 1.6 per kg so I aim a bit higher to account for the inability to metabolize like a younger person. Btw I never make it that high, but it’s my goal. I’m female, 5’4”, 120lbs & trying to maintain a good healthy muscle mass.
@@terri6723 How much can you deadlift, squat, and bench? Do you have any strength goals? I'm 60 and want to be able to deadlift 405 lbs, squat 315, and bench 265 at age 70.
Hi. The benefit of EAA really hits at 8-11 grams, and a whole food diet is preferred. Could you direct us to information on the EAA content of whole foods? For example, what is the EAA content of beef or salmon per ounce? Thanks for the great podcast!
I can’t answer your questions appropriately. But I think we must address the types of aminos and other nutrients in the food we eat. Google taurine in foods/ meats. You will find there is no taurine in any vegetables or fruits. You will find taurine is only in meats and that some meats have much more than others. Check out beef. Then fish. Salmon and trout, etc. then look at clams, oysters, mussels. And shrimp and sardines. And then scallops. Who knew that scallops had more taurine than many of the others. A lot of these meats have been vilified. When the reality is that the problem is often the cooking method. Frying and .. with certain terrible oils. Let’s look at the function, and nutrients and aminos we get from good sources and recognize that certain things, like greens and other vegetables have a great storehouse of other nutrients we need. Mediterranean diets, in concept, if done with wise choices might be great. But you can’t include a lot of things that should not be included in some peoples’ exaggerated and distorted views of that diet. We should use good judgement and not get stick going only one direction. Only meat or only vegetables or whatever.
There are a lot of incredibly fit long time vegan athletes & bodybuilders as well as a lot of unwell meat eaters… what I observe is there is people that eat for health and athletic performance and you can tell that they feed their body well with Whole Foods and supplements! Vegans and meat eaters alike!!!
When you say "unwell meat eaters", you mean eaters of the standard American diet with a high % of processed garbage food who also happen to eat some meat. That's how they deceive the public into believing eating meat causes chronic disease, when in actual fact, it wasn't the meat, but the garbage they were eating in addition to the meat. If you compare long time vegans vs long time carnivores who eat no plants or processed food, you'll find the carnivores healthier, stronger both physically and mentally than vegans who avoid all animal products. And I was vegetarian then vegan for 30 years so I know first hand the damage avoiding animal products long term can do to your health. I am finally recovering my health 2.5 years after leaving the vegan cult.
Wonderful discussion thank you so much enjoyed listening while working out - interesting that its a measure of nitrogen not actual amino acids - always thought those plant protein bars were dodgy etc LOL - seriously first class guest - awesome! Gabrielle you changed my life long time fan - this nanna lifts - thanks to you and your guests!
I trust Gabrielle and her guests, even if I'm not always in agreement. However, since Covid, I've lost all faith in the NIH, CDC, FDA, WHO, even the military. They've all been radicalized.
Thank you both for helpful information to continue a protein forward plan. 😁 I take BCAA’s in capsule form if my breakfast does not hit the leucine threshold that it should. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Two products Perfect Amino Joe Mar labs 21 amino acid brand. Both these products have very specific ratios to each other Most products on market don't have much research or any to their ratios fyi
So what exactly is a high quality protein versus a not high quality protein specifically. You talk about EAA content what about the composition of the EAAs. How much leucine for example versus a different one. And how about giving a top 10 list of high-quality sources. Like eggs, perhaps a specific cut of red meat. Etc...
Could you please be careful with recommendations - cancers compete with amino acid use and synthesis, isn’t that so? Also, cancer cells like things like mitopure as far as I know. Please consider the damage from blanket statements and recommendations.
You might check out Dr. Osborn who will answer that question and many more questions for you. He is a very knowledgeable doctor when it comes to nutrition and proper nutritional healthcare. Many People go to him and get help when all their other doctors give up.
The body is a super computer, it’s capable of insane achievements, If all the things are essential, like amino acids, why does the body not produce it? It’s much smarter than that and I just can’t buy into all this “essential’ ness.
Your ads are out of control....I subscribed...and then unsubscribed like 3 minutes later bcs there is no way I'm sitting through this many obnoxious commercials.
given it's an important macronutrient what's the problem? the science speaks for itself. The DIAAS is real. protein turnover is real. Protein is your immune system. what's wrong with getting people to have enough. A deficiency prevention amount based on healthy young people is not adequate for older people.
Shouldn’t we be allowed to hear open, civil discussion on both sides and then come to our own conclusion of what works for us individually with respect to others?
If you know what a lobbyist is, you would know that they push governments to promote sugar, carbs, seed oils, junk food. Foods that make you sick because governments are controlled by the medical cartel and big pharma, and the last thing they want is a healthy population...that's bad for business.
I like how you emphasized over fed, but also for many under nourished as well as over fed.
If clinical guidelines were any good or at least sufficient, there wouldn’t be a massive shift occurring like we’re observing now. People wouldn’t be flocking to sources of information other than the mainstream on how to improve themselves physically and mentally, if those guidelines were helpful. I think it means they’ve been continuously failing people over the years and, one by one, slowly but surely, we’re waking up.
Nah y’all got a long way to go to see this power 🔮
Possibly . More likely most don't follow the guidelines . It also reccomends exercising . Very few people do for example
Satiety sensation achievement is an important part of self awareness education among people “ overfed “. We need more education and conversation around it.
Thank you for this excellent conversation. I really appreciate your vital contribution to health and wellness. Protein is a nuanced topic and you dive right in there in all of its complexity. I have learned so much thanks to your enthusiasm and expertise.
For thermal effect, I can say I noticed a difference between taking whey isolate protein powder and switching to vegan pea protein powder. The pea protein had 10 more grams per scoop but my weight loss was stalling about a week after I started it.
Thank you for hosting Dr Gwin. She is amazing...where can we find more of her? Cheers from Boston Massachusetts 👍
Protein leverage principle fits quite well with my personal experience.
This was helpful and provided some clarity. For those of us that are older (67) & hampered w/the limitations of our ability to utilize adequate amts of protein, I’d ingest crappy tasting supplemental EEA’s to achieve that goal. Ultimately, maintaining muscle (for strength & endurance) is worth a few sips of yuk! I now use Kion EAA to help meet my daily goals. I cannot eat enough to overcome the approximately 1 g per lb body weight recommended. Any other suggestions? Anyone?
Why do you believe you need 1 g/lb of protein? Is this primarily for gaining or maintaining muscle mass and strength? Or do you believe their are other health benefits?
@@jakubchrobry3701 The recommendation is around 1.6 per kg so I aim a bit higher to account for the inability to metabolize like a younger person. Btw I never make it that high, but it’s my goal. I’m female, 5’4”, 120lbs & trying to maintain a good healthy muscle mass.
Also, I think there are symbiotic downline benefits.
@@terri6723 How much can you deadlift, squat, and bench? Do you have any strength goals? I'm 60 and want to be able to deadlift 405 lbs, squat 315, and bench 265 at age 70.
I have three big protein meals a day and have a protein drink before bed. no problems. seem to be doing ok and I'm over 60
Great episode! Thank you both. ❤
Hi. The benefit of EAA really hits at 8-11 grams, and a whole food diet is preferred. Could you direct us to information on the EAA content of whole foods? For example, what is the EAA content of beef or salmon per ounce? Thanks for the great podcast!
I can’t answer your questions appropriately.
But I think we must address the types of aminos and other nutrients in the food we eat.
Google taurine in foods/ meats. You will find there is no taurine in any vegetables or fruits.
You will find taurine is only in meats and that some meats have much more than others.
Check out beef. Then fish.
Salmon and trout, etc. then look at clams, oysters, mussels. And shrimp and sardines.
And then scallops. Who knew that scallops had more taurine than many of the others.
A lot of these meats have been vilified. When the reality is that the problem is often the cooking method. Frying and .. with certain terrible oils.
Let’s look at the function, and nutrients and aminos we get from good sources and recognize that certain things, like greens and other vegetables have a great storehouse of other nutrients we need.
Mediterranean diets, in concept, if done with wise choices might be great. But you can’t include a lot of things that should not be included in some peoples’ exaggerated and distorted views of that diet.
We should use good judgement and not get stick going only one direction. Only meat or only vegetables or whatever.
There are a lot of incredibly fit long time vegan athletes & bodybuilders as well as a lot of unwell meat eaters… what I observe is there is people that eat for health and athletic performance and you can tell that they feed their body well with Whole Foods and supplements! Vegans and meat eaters alike!!!
When you say "unwell meat eaters", you mean eaters of the standard American diet with a high % of processed garbage food who also happen to eat some meat. That's how they deceive the public into believing eating meat causes chronic disease, when in actual fact, it wasn't the meat, but the garbage they were eating in addition to the meat. If you compare long time vegans vs long time carnivores who eat no plants or processed food, you'll find the carnivores healthier, stronger both physically and mentally than vegans who avoid all animal products. And I was vegetarian then vegan for 30 years so I know first hand the damage avoiding animal products long term can do to your health. I am finally recovering my health 2.5 years after leaving the vegan cult.
Wonderful discussion thank you so much enjoyed listening while working out - interesting that its a measure of nitrogen not actual amino acids - always thought those plant protein bars were dodgy etc LOL - seriously first class guest - awesome! Gabrielle you changed my life long time fan - this nanna lifts - thanks to you and your guests!
This absolutely validates my own experience of being vegan for 3 years.
I trust Gabrielle and her guests, even if I'm not always in agreement.
However, since Covid, I've lost all faith in the NIH, CDC, FDA, WHO, even the military.
They've all been radicalized.
great discussion on protein concerning v
I would love to see the old service member pamphlets you speak of!
The WWII ration pamphlets on protein are what I'm looking for. Please share it with me.
Thank you both for helpful information to continue a
protein forward plan. 😁 I take BCAA’s in capsule form if my
breakfast does not hit the leucine threshold that it should. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
great stuff as usual
On nutrition labels there should be a breakdown of the type of protein similarly to how they breakdown types of fats.
That would be a great idea.
Two products
Perfect Amino
Joe Mar labs 21 amino acid brand.
Both these products have very specific ratios to each other
Most products on market don't have much research or any to their ratios fyi
I heard of a sun up green coffee drink from you. It is no longer available anywhere. Maybe you could create a similar supplement.
what about insect protein? is this consider as animal ?
very active people and filks on a plant based diet. but what are the nutritional needs for older less active people on keto diets for improving DM2?
I'd like the WWII pamphlets for rations on protein.
So what exactly is a high quality protein versus a not high quality protein specifically. You talk about EAA content what about the composition of the EAAs. How much leucine for example versus a different one. And how about giving a top 10 list of high-quality sources. Like eggs, perhaps a specific cut of red meat. Etc...
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Could you please be careful with recommendations - cancers compete with amino acid use and synthesis, isn’t that so? Also, cancer cells like things like mitopure as far as I know. Please consider the damage from blanket statements and recommendations.
soooooo many words. How much protein does a person need ev day?
You might check out Dr. Osborn who will answer that question and many more questions for you.
He is a very knowledgeable doctor when it comes to nutrition and proper nutritional healthcare.
Many People go to him and get help when all their other doctors give up.
Dr Lyon, I really like your podcast but between all your ads and then YT ads on top of it the podcast is really almost unwatchable. :(
The body is a super computer, it’s capable of insane achievements, If all the things are essential, like amino acids, why does the body not produce it? It’s much smarter than that and I just can’t buy into all this “essential’ ness.
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What about water?
@@russvet touché lol valid point, but, the jury is still out on how much
@@MrHerks I think the best way is to find your own optimum.
Your ads are out of control....I subscribed...and then unsubscribed like 3 minutes later bcs there is no way I'm sitting through this many obnoxious commercials.
Ok. Then read a book bro. No add content there homie. Enjoy 👊
Get over it.
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Protein lobbyists
given it's an important macronutrient what's the problem? the science speaks for itself. The DIAAS is real. protein turnover is real. Protein is your immune system. what's wrong with getting people to have enough. A deficiency prevention amount based on healthy young people is not adequate for older people.
Shouldn’t we be allowed to hear open, civil discussion on both sides and then come to our own conclusion of what works for us individually with respect to others?
@@Littlefurball7 I have only one side but you?
If you know what a lobbyist is, you would know that they push governments to promote sugar, carbs, seed oils, junk food. Foods that make you sick because governments are controlled by the medical cartel and big pharma, and the last thing they want is a healthy population...that's bad for business.
@@Littlefurball7Yes. I believe it's called thinking for yourself. 😉