The irony is that the GS1300 may feel faster on the road due to the torque. I went from a 1200GSA to a Multi V4S. Multi is easier to ride, particularly heavy traffic filtering. Can use it for distance, plus also Sunday morning sports bike. But the Multi is thirsty. Stopping for fuel is not a problem...my bladder only has a 185 mile range - absolute max.
Ducati is Ducati, BMW is BMW. Choose whatever you like. I take BMW every day. 2 of them. 1 for Touring, 1 for sports. Ducatis are like Viagra powered Fiats.
I would suggest to stick to a 5000 mile oil/filter change, regardless of what any man manufacturer says, that is if you wanna keep your bike for many many years. I do this with my 1100 Africa Twin, got to 50k miles in 3 years and i have not one issue, bike runs as if it was new.
Ducati is notorious for have really poor engine reliability and if you've seen that fortnine engine oil residue test, their internals are among the dirtiest runners. I don't buy it at all with their long oil change intervals lol.
@@fs5866 They have a lot of oil residue but that actually doesn't make them less reliable. Also there are 4 different types of engines Ducati is currently running and he ran the lowest spec engine(scrambler engine) for the test, and none of the higher end engines. Ducati's have been very reliable for the past decade after the VW takeover. I love when people base everything off what they see on fortnine lol. Edit: It's always the ones who never owned a Ducati complaining about reliability when all the Ducati owners are completely satisfied.
As the owner of a GS (2021) and a multi (2023 Pikes Peak) both are great bikes but I have a different take and it is based on many miles on both. The GS with the Telelever to me is a compromise. As different as that suspension is it sucks off road and is vague on road. To me the GS is a sporty couch with the intention to be many things but falling short on many things. Now I have the Pikes Peak so I have the Ohlins EC2 semi active suspension. When you compare my GS to my Pikes Peak it is like comparing a sporty SUV to an actual race car. There is absolutely no comparison in on road performance. The PP is THE most stable high speed vehicle I have ever experienced, it is fast, smooth, taught and handles like a race bike. That being said the PP is in a different class. When comparing the standard Multi to a standard GS it gets closer but the one thing that these comparisons can never factor in is the pure smiles for miles. Pretty well any BMW I have owned has been good but never great, they always lack soul and fun factor. Ducati and KTM lead the world in that category. With that said, I buy bikes for the thrill and the experience not economics or tech. If I really wanted to tour it is my Street Glide, offroad my Desert X and Beta 390 or 890 Rally, for pure face flattening fun the Pikes Peak or Super Duke. There is not a single bike I own that does not do its respective thing better than any GS.......compromise! It is more important to me to have the tool for the job and not try and make an inappropriate tool do things it was not designed for. The same can be said for the standard Multi but I assure you that the multi is better on road than any GS and at least on par off road but with the smile factor. To sum it up I feel like a passenger on my GS and a pilot on my Pikes Peak.
You are spot-on about how rock stable the MTS is, I have a regular V4 S and it is a pleasure to ride at 120 mph and I held that speed for 100+ miles. Let's just say I went with the Ducati over a GS because I'm old but I still like to squid and the Ducati is better at squidding than the BMW ever dreams of being.
Wow, exactly my thoughts. I did not rode PP but V4S and 1250GS and that's 1:1 with your conclusions. GS is a great bike but just not for me. I did hundreds of kilometers without any problems. It's comfy, well made, handles nicely but it's just a SUV. It takes you in a comfortable manner from A to B but completly lacks the feeling that i'm looking for when riding a bike. V4S puts a big smile and an adrenaline rush every time I ride. That's why I ordered FL 2025 V4S :)
I think you nailed it! I rode the V4S for a week in Spain and own an R1250GS. I would score it the same way you did. I was almost afraid I would love the V4S so much that I would want it over my GS, especially since I have been a Ducati fan for a long time (but there is no Ducati dealer where I live). I was underwhelmed with the V4S. I actually preferred the DesertX we had in the group. The V4 lacked the soundtrack that I expected. I expected it to be very smooth, but it was vibey at highway speed. The quick shifter had failed somewhere prior to 10,000 km being on the new bike. And it was HOT on your junk at slow speeds and brutal in the city. On the upside, awesome top end and I enjoyed it in the twisties. But overall, I preferred the GS (which was a relief to be honest), even when compared back to back (we had 7 bikes from Love for Ride…MS V4S, Desert X, R1250GS, Africa Twin, Tiger 1200, Tiger 900, Versys 1000). I think too many street riders look at HP too much when they really should give more attention to torque. Doubley so for an adventure biker who goes off-road. The GS has a better power band for the real world. These are not race bikes. A GS has the HP of a race bike from not too long ago and torque to make you drool. The new 1300 seems to elevate it even more. The boxer sound sucks at sedate pace, but I find when you wring it’s neck it is not too bad!
You must have had an issue....vibey at highway speed could not be more opposite of my Multi. In fact that GT engine is so smooth it lulls me to sleep. My GS has terrible shifting and a terrible quick shifter. I think it is safe to say both are great bikes but it depends on your needs/wants. Pure performance there is NO comparison. Where the GS wins in my book is shaft drive. I would probably have more confidence on my GS vs PP but that really comes down to the shaft drive vs chain and not necessarily the bikes themselves. I will test a 1300 soon and I may have a different opinion but I just don't see it hitting the mark like the Pikes Peak.
@@chrisvantassel8867 Hard to say…the V4S was a rental. But it only had 10 or 11,000km on it when I rode it. At that point the QS had already packed it in. I’ll find out in 10 weeks when back to Europe to test 8 new bikes over two weeks…including a new Multistrada V4S, a new R1300GS, and six other bikes, as well as visits to Ducati and Ferrari factories and museums.
Seems a pretty bang on summary, look forward to trying the new 1300 GS. My 1250 will take some beating!... Only point I'd maybe disagree on is the seat height adjustment going to the Multistrada. The BMW has several seat options, of which there is several levels of height adjustment on the bike for each, then also the standard suspension vs the sports suspension which adds even more height adjustment and obviously the lowering kits. Pretty sure you can have the GS in every 10mm increment from 800 - 900mm depending on spec... correct me if I'm wrong.
Great summery but you missed one most critical element, which is a major consideration for long distance riders. That is the Shaft drive vs the Chain drive. 😀. (BMW also has Brembo brakes, Brembo label is on the inside though)
I think you were a little biased! 😎 In order: Suspension, I prefer the Ducati’s skyhook. In my opinion with the telever you miss some sensibility when you brake hard and some efficiency when you brake in really bad roads. Brakes: give a draw when facing the best braking manufacturer of the world?! Sorry but no… Wheels: why give a victory to any one?! It’s a clear draw. Technology: noooo… as an example, Ducati is the only one that can personalize each one of their modes (suspension, engine… ) while GS only have that option in their’s “pro” modes. At the end, I think it must be a victory for Ducat considering what I mention before. More… is expensive, but it has larger kms between services and more warranty years (not sure). However, 2 really great bikes
Seat Height you're wrong. I'm 5 foot 5 inches with an inseam of 29 inches. Ducati dealers in the toronto area wouldn't even respond to my asks. I'm comfortable with 30.5 inch seat height. And I'm a torque junky I have a R18 big boxer cruiser and a F850GS factory lowered with low seat. BMW Toronto got me on a GS 1300 with electronic height adjustment with a low seat option. None of the ducati dealers were able to do anything similar. So I have ordered a R1300GS Trophy because for short people BMW is THE ONLY manufacturer that has invested in enabling adventure touring for short folks and women.
Wait what? Maybe in the USA. You can easily get lowered suspension and low seat here in europe. You can get 31,3 inches with lowered seat and lowered suspension and the facelift model can get you 30,1 inch with lowering on stop.
So Bob, important to me when looking at bikes like this for touring is: final drive….it’s a shaft every time….I just don’t want the faff of having to lube a chain each day and worry about if it needs adjusting and cleaning mid tour. Secondly I’m not sure what breakdown cover Ducati offer but BMW is gold plated pan European with repatriation included if required……makes me feel very secure 😊
Chains aren't like they used to be neither the bikes. I did 6000km trip lubing the chain 3 times (after riding in the rain). 0 needs of adjustment even when the bike took a beating in the moutain twisties. The chain looks brand new just like I get of the dealership.
Fuel economy: no reference to Rally Multi version… 2 cilinders off… 4l/100km… 1st bike in the World with this tech… Besides brakes, how BM wins the tech point? Huuummm…
You compared between the full options GS with the normal maltistrada v4 , I have maltistrada v4 rally edition and I see it's better in terms of suspension tech options and breaking desks than the new GS
Am I the only guy that only cares about a single category? Styling. These bikes are amazing all around, pick the one that tickles your fancy the most and start riding.
Ive had a lot of bikes in my 50 yrs of riding i test road the Ducati and it gets hot around your legs i love ducati had a couple but the grunt and the comfort of the gs for quick riding is great on my 1250. depends on where you live and what roads you ride frequently . i have other bikes for more off road stuff. Look if you bought one or the other you will be a Happy Chappy there both Amazing Bikes !!! im 62 and 73 kg , love your channel thank you from AUS.
Struggling to consider this information considering very few have ridden the gs1300 yet. It would be nice to hear /see some feedback from actual experience once it's been released to the press. Just saying like.
Thank you for the comparison! I haven't ridden the SAS and GS 1300 yet (although both are still available, unlike Multistrada, as the Ducati dealer probably started selling their fleet very early), however I liked the Multistrada a lot. I haven't tested it around my town yet, only in Spain (with Love for Ride like another commenter here) but it feels like the only bike that is well tuned for both sporty and leisure reading. The former - duh, it is Ducati, the suspension can be appropriate, the engine likes high RPM; however even in slow riding it is comfortable enough, the engine is smooth and has enough power (sure, the power in low RPMs is lower than BMW or KTM but it's a big engine, it doesn't matter than much), basically it has everything. What surprised me is that even if the engine was boiling, even in 35 degree heat I was cool. (Sure, BMW or Triumph have good ventilation too, although Triumph cannot take tall riders because of that, but compared to say Africa Twin lack of heat was noticeable.) The only minus was the engine in low RPMs sounded like a shy vacuum cleaner but then again BMW's sound is nothing to write home about either. We will see how BMW did with their new model, it seems that despite late season the dealer has them in testing fleet and hopefully I'll be able to test.
Id never buy any of these big advs, i feel theyre overkill and more statement than practicality. I do like the tech they bring in. Never liked the GS as it looked too boxy for my taste but this new direction looks nice. Slimmer, lighter. Well done bmw.
The 1300 GS nonlonger has Haze brakes, they are Brembo brakes with BMW Branding. Ifnyou look on the aide of the calipers youll see the brembo branding.
I rode a 2021 BMW GS Adventure. I love the bike, but the MS V4 looks to be an incredible bike. I assumed it would win this comparison hands down. I don’t disagree with any of the assessment categories except the maintenance intervals suggested in a comment. I’m surprised to see that it wasn’t even close.
You should check the latest MCN test between the big four adv bikes. Regarding the suspension, you'll realise that the Ducati is actually much better on and off road overall, regardless of these individual comparisons. Yes, it is compared to the 1250, but from hearing about other reviews, they are worlds apart in driving pleasures. Of course this is very subjective at the end of the day and I simply wouldn't buy a huge adv to begin with. It's just not practical and I'd for sure go for a Desert X for adv style bikes. Not only a Ducati fan here, as I'm soon getting a Triumph T120 Black, following the Ducati Scrambler 800 Nightshift I currently have. Safe rides everyone!
I think the base model r1300gs with the cast wheels and low height will make a great road bike with an upright riding position. I don't really see it as a ADV at all. Isn't the seat height under 800mm now in the right configuration.
@@chrishart8548 Interesting point of view, but they still seem to sell it as an ADV when you look at their advertisement and category they put it in. Your pointers prove just how strange the overall outcome is. Either way, not for me! haha
The comparison is good but there no reasons to argue. Each one has points to attract. Like chain vs shaft, the same are the bikes. You want performance and character get the Ducati. You go for reliability and tranquility tranquility, go for gs. Personally I consider ktm a better option mainly due to the discounts but also because it has low down torque plus hi rev power.
Tks for the video. In fact, the verdict should depends on what you do (which types of roads) I have a GSA and I just tried the Multi V4S. I love both for different reasons Based on the fact that I ride 99% in the mountains with hairpins (almost 8-10k kms per year loaded with 140 liters of luggage), the torque is the most important. One topic you could have added in the comparison is the luggage ... both are bad, small and expensive ... better to go to SW-Motech or similar but we have no clue for the GS because nothing is existing now (even if I am sure the GS will have everything available in some months). That's why it's important to go to the EICMA this year i would say that the power of the muti gives more fun and is much better for day or WE trips while the current GS is better for weeks trips I will try the new GS in 2 weeks, make my choice and order one or the other The comparison on paper is important but the live test will be key to decide (position, handling, ...) Today, I am not sure ... let's see
Just bought a gs1300, had a gs1200 but to sloppy with no sports feel so got rid. New gs13 with extra power and sharper handling made it a re-purchase for me. Never fancied a Duke but not sure why
You are not comparing the correct Multistrada. The Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally is the direct competitor to the 1300GS. The Rally has a 30 liter tank, and shuts down 2 cylinders for improved fuel economy. Even my rough calculations equate to around 428km (265 miles) range. It has been reported elsewhere that the range is between 280 and 330 miles, which is probably optimistic. Ignoring fuel consumption, that gives the Ducati similar, or longer, range to the 1300GS. There are additional features on the Rally that give it better touring and offroad ability. I just realized, you reviewed the Rally a month ago. Yeah, this is far from a good comparison. As a long time owner of BMW motorcycles, the Multistrada is on my current short list of bikes to buy. Ready for something that is a bit more exciting, even if It is chain drive.
Brakes go to the Ducati. Brembo stylemas are better, they just are. Had them on my Triumph GT Explorer and they are far better than the standard Brembo on my GSA
I would get the bmw especially considering it’s the value proposition of the two. However, the good looking Ducati is the Desert X, not the MultiStrada…
Used to have RT and found it comfy, quiet and relaxing. Nimble enough and fast. Bought GS after and never became friends with it. Good bike nonetheless but who really needs it (for the purpose)
Sounds like a very good assessment of the bikes, and while I wouldn't say no to either of these, I'm happier with my Tiger 900 - more nimble, looks better and cheaper (but very well equipped). I will say the GS made quite a leap forward, but I'd struggle to live with that minger of a headlight.
I’d like to see dyno charts overlayed off same dyno. I lean on side of V4 cause it’s beautiful, but I bet GS power is way more useable on the street or daily.
Offset by the fact the BMW requires 2 valve checks in the same mileage Ducati requires one. I think a chain and sprocket set is cheaper than two valve checks.
@@tomtraynor5384 10000 km. That’s one of the annoyances with the GS - whenever you plan a longer trip, there is always the servicing to consider. But 36000 mi on the Multistrada is for big service with valve check, not the regular sevice, which is at 15000 km. But Bmw’s valve check is every 20000 km…
Good video. I don't agree on the seat height point going to Ducati though, for two key reasons: the GS can achieve the lowest seat height (800 mm) and overseat measurement, and critically it can 'auto' lower to minimum preload based on speed, the Ducati (and Triumph) cannot. It also lowers at the front and not just thee rear like its peers. I speak as a 6' 2" Multistrada owner.
795mm for multistrada :) 840mm stock -15mm with lowered suspension and -30mm with lowered seat. Multis have also minimum preload setting now (after software update). Facelift even has special thing that can lower bike 30mm for you under 10kmph.
For real adventure : GS / for real Life : V4S. Most people dream adventures but ride their motorcycle to work , around town, weekend travels, and 2 week for holidays.
They break even on the suspension. That’s saying something for the Ducati. I’ve owned several GSAs. I’ve never owned a Ducati. But I may have one in the future.
I'm sure it will come. Should loose some weight too. The rs is a bit on the heavy side vs the competition. Should bring it much closer to a sports bike with loads of extra torque.
I rode the V4s in the summer and it roasted my family jewels. I also found it quite vibey. Handled well, I wanted to love it but just didn’t 😢. I would never have considered a GS before but the new 1300 styling looks fantastic imho. Fingers crossed it rides as good as it looks
Same here! If you don’t like roasted nuts, hope you don’t get caught in a city. At highway speeds way more vibration and less comfort than a GS. Also, although our test bike was new, the quick shifter had packed it in on the V4S at less than 10,000 km. Also on the downside, I expected to be seduced by the V4 soundtrack, but was sadly disappointed. I actually preferred the V2 of the DesertX. On the upside, the top end was awesome and loved it in the twisties. But then again, I love the GS in the twisties too.
A lot of opinion for a guy who didn’t actually do a comparison test between the bikes. Moto B just reads the specs to make his analysis. Those Haynes calipers have already been recalled last year so how can that be a tie? When compared to the world’s best calipers on the Ducati?
I FAR prefer boxer sound (when coming from a proper exhaust). I have actually been praised about it by a Ducati rider in a traffic light. (then again my old 1200GS has a full exhaust replacement - pipes etc. - and is a bit like hell is coming)
4:49 but wait until it’s dark it becomes a hassle put this phone on this quadlock. There is something better and easier. It’s Peak Design. I replaced all my quadlocks with them.
I love my 2018 rallye, but I think the real weigth of a fully loaded 1300 will be really close to the actual model. Al the weight shown is the bery basic bike with no accessories. The only negative I see on the 1300 is the super exposed "reverse peak" (lol), tje rear mounted radar seems to be super exposed, and being all plastic it will be expensive to replace, it looks like a one piece molded plastic.! Also, it looks chinesse made,not german!
I’ve had Ducati and BMW, The best bike is ……..the Honda 750 X. Unlike the Ducati, the electronics are not made of spaghetti, the beemer is over priced but ideal if your a wealthy 6fft plus dentist, while the beemer has got lighter, is it still too much of a behemoth.
Tell me you want a 1300GS without telling me you want a 1300GS haha! Actually love the design of the new GS but don't like the previous dad models 1200 and 1250. That said it's the multi v4 for me everytime. Thought can afford neither!!
Yoy shouldn't do a comparison of a 2021 MTS with a 2023 BMW, you should use the Rally V4 even that I owe a V4s like this one, I am not agree with some of your comparisons, suspension and comfort,technology to the GS that a no,no, I have long legs and I keep hitting that boxer engine all the time, and yes the GS has more torke but when you push that throttle on the V4 you don't feel it, also don't make it too obvious yoy are a GS guy 😂😂 Thanks
I’d take that new GS. Love the revised look, very sleek compared to the previous Gen and the other manufacturer’s offerings. Not enough range out of the Ducati either.
The thing that is difficult to quantify is the ownership experience and I would suggest that the BMW would win in that regard. Motorcyclists are tinkerers and like to do things to their bikes themselves and on that score the BMW would be streets ahead of the Ducati.
Pub bragging rights, only..when are you going to get to 170 bhp on the road! Torque wins, all day. I like both bikes, and they both appeal to different markets. Bikes are like beer/food, very personal. Take your choice and enjoy!
Use the power? Every ride--with my wife on the back and panniers. Never take ride with bags and wife where we don't casually do "the ton". So I picked the sportiest "Adventure" bike I could find: The Multi Pikes Peak. I'll surely look at the new GS--and the XR1000 M--but is a "screamer" motor the thing on a spot tourer--as I tend to label the 17" bikes?
I have to ask, what are the main differences between the Multi V4 and the Desert X? It seems to me both bikes occupy close to the same niche in the ADV bike market. Is it as simple as the Desert X being the more off-road oriented of the two? If you dressed the Multi V4 with all the off-road options, would it catch up to the X? Bob, i need your guidance here. Cheers Mate!
I'm sure both bikes are more than capable of taking their rotund, mid-40's charges on their arduous 40-mile return trip to the local gastro pub each Sunday..... 😂
2 reasons why I’d avoid the GS. - The official motorrad dealer network atrocious here. - GS riders think they’re superior than everyone and the own the highway. Btw the brakes one the GS are brembo. It’s still printed on the inner side of all 3 calipers.
To me this a pointless comparison as the Ducati is different bike and would you really take a bike that expensive off road or have confidence in its reliability? It’s also ridiculous power output which is useless in almost every circumstance except a track 😂 A better comparison would have been the pan America which is 150bhp and was the first to have ARH or the Tiger 1200. All in these bikes are all way too expensive now and the smaller 890/900 GS or Tiger 900 etc are actually better bikes
Great review, but as a 5x GS/GSA owner im not sold on the new GS hopefully the new GSA will be out in 2024. Im thinking of changing from BMW to Ducati as i think the Multistrada is beautiful, and away nicer looking than the GS, but with beauty comes issues and Ducati like Alfa Romeo have a longer list of issues that specs.
Dunno how you gave the first point for Power to the Multi, yes it has a higher ceiling but it makes only about 138HP at the 7750RPM where the new GS makes 145HP. The difference is probably even bigger at the wheel since the Multi has ~18.22% loss while the current r1250gs has ~15.8% loss.
Where are you getting your power "loss" numbers at wheel? Usually--shaft drive is the power loser to the wheel. My Multi Pikes Peak did 154 HP to the wheel, albeit with the full Race Exhaust and included Ducati remap. Figure about 4 HP gain up top--so 150 HP for stock. But torque peak increases and the RPM peak comes down to 6900 RPMs at 91 ft. lbs. with much better mid-range power.
@@tomtraynor5384 Calculated loss numbers by comparing the claimed figures vs dyno figures for the V4S (stock exhaust) and the R1250GSA. The 154HP you're talking about must be peak power. Even the V4S peaked at 148HP to the wheel. The 138HP I mentioned was at 7750RPM tho, not the peak. It was around 117HP at the wheel at 7750RPM. Assuming that's after a ~18% loss, I calculated it must be 138HP at the crank for purpose of comparing it to the beemer's claimed figure.
@@harsh07gOf course my 154 HP V4 number is peak power. Your 148 HP stock peak HP is pretty close to the 150 stock power I estimated. Within Dyno error for sure. MY Dyno graph at about 7750 RPMs shows 135 WHP AT THE WHEEL with pipe and tune. Go find the video of a stock Multi V4 leading the GS for DEAD from a roll-on in gear-same gear. Dynos are cool--for comparing SAME MOTOR/SAME DYNO tuning changes. However, the real road rules. And on that road--the Multi does Ducati things to the GS. Who cares? ME. Wifey likes to experience a nice mellow 'Ton Up" every ride. Happy wife--happy life. :)
@@tomtraynor5384 Yeah the Multi drops the 1250gs but the improvements in power n torque and the drop in weight with the new 1300gs are why I think that won't be happening anymore
The real weight of the new GS is far higher than they write on the data sheet. The weight on the scale, depending on the configuration, is the same or higher than the 1250!!! That said, both are fantastic bikes! Living in the Alps I know what is better for me, so I have a KTM 1290 Super Adventure 😉
Riding a lovely Multi V2S I will test ride both next change. Had three GSs but got sick of the weight and height for those of us with short legs. The new GS seems to have addressed that issue and I like the new look even if it hasn’t got the beauty of a Ducati’s lines…
The GS is also Brembo brakes. It says so on the inside of the system (ie. see from the right the inside of the left and the opposite). Outside they agreed to say BMW. And of course it has smaller disks because it can afford to. It is lighter and the telelever doesn't put that much pressure to the front as the conventional. For the same reason the suspension tubes can afford to be thinner.
All the ducati fan boys are completely missing the point of a TOURING bike.. just buy a super naked if you want actual thrills.. the BMW is a far superior machine for touring real world torque in the right rev range, fuel consumption and range also dith shaft drive and better service intervals its not even a comparison really
Rode a GS 1250 with my wife. SHE nixed it--not enough thrills..... ;). Of course--we casually do "The Ton" every ride just for FUN. Hey! THAT is why I ride: F-U-N.
IMO, the GS looks way better at this point. The Multistrada looked great when it came out but I think it could do with a refresh. I have a BMW R1150RT and a Honda CBR so maybe I'm a different target buyer but I always thought the GS looked a bit ugly. This new one could pull me over from the RT and K series bikes over to the GS for my next bike. This should attract current GS owners (cause where are they going to go?) while bringing in riders who would never have considered a BWM or a GS in the past.
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The irony is that the GS1300 may feel faster on the road due to the torque. I went from a 1200GSA to a Multi V4S. Multi is easier to ride, particularly heavy traffic filtering. Can use it for distance, plus also Sunday morning sports bike. But the Multi is thirsty. Stopping for fuel is not a problem...my bladder only has a 185 mile range - absolute max.
Ducati is Ducati, BMW is BMW. Choose whatever you like. I take BMW every day. 2 of them. 1 for Touring, 1 for sports. Ducatis are like Viagra powered Fiats.
@@os6219os629 misspelled AUDI 😂
The Multi is not too bad touring at legal speeds 50mpg is achievable it's when you use the power they can drink a bit.
Having owned both, there's not much between them to be fair. But I kept the Ducati, I suppose that says it all.
You forgot the service schedule and warranty these are important on bikes designed to do touring..
I would suggest to stick to a 5000 mile oil/filter change, regardless of what any man manufacturer says, that is if you wanna keep your bike for many many years.
I do this with my 1100 Africa Twin, got to 50k miles in 3 years and i have not one issue, bike runs as if it was new.
The new interval for multi stranda is ridiculously long lol
Ducati is notorious for have really poor engine reliability and if you've seen that fortnine engine oil residue test, their internals are among the dirtiest runners.
I don't buy it at all with their long oil change intervals lol.
@@fs5866 They have a lot of oil residue but that actually doesn't make them less reliable. Also there are 4 different types of engines Ducati is currently running and he ran the lowest spec engine(scrambler engine) for the test, and none of the higher end engines. Ducati's have been very reliable for the past decade after the VW takeover. I love when people base everything off what they see on fortnine lol.
Edit: It's always the ones who never owned a Ducati complaining about reliability when all the Ducati owners are completely satisfied.
4 year unlimited mileage warranty on a Ducati
As the owner of a GS (2021) and a multi (2023 Pikes Peak) both are great bikes but I have a different take and it is based on many miles on both. The GS with the Telelever to me is a compromise. As different as that suspension is it sucks off road and is vague on road. To me the GS is a sporty couch with the intention to be many things but falling short on many things. Now I have the Pikes Peak so I have the Ohlins EC2 semi active suspension. When you compare my GS to my Pikes Peak it is like comparing a sporty SUV to an actual race car. There is absolutely no comparison in on road performance. The PP is THE most stable high speed vehicle I have ever experienced, it is fast, smooth, taught and handles like a race bike. That being said the PP is in a different class. When comparing the standard Multi to a standard GS it gets closer but the one thing that these comparisons can never factor in is the pure smiles for miles. Pretty well any BMW I have owned has been good but never great, they always lack soul and fun factor. Ducati and KTM lead the world in that category. With that said, I buy bikes for the thrill and the experience not economics or tech. If I really wanted to tour it is my Street Glide, offroad my Desert X and Beta 390 or 890 Rally, for pure face flattening fun the Pikes Peak or Super Duke. There is not a single bike I own that does not do its respective thing better than any GS.......compromise! It is more important to me to have the tool for the job and not try and make an inappropriate tool do things it was not designed for. The same can be said for the standard Multi but I assure you that the multi is better on road than any GS and at least on par off road but with the smile factor. To sum it up I feel like a passenger on my GS and a pilot on my Pikes Peak.
You are spot-on about how rock stable the MTS is, I have a regular V4 S and it is a pleasure to ride at 120 mph and I held that speed for 100+ miles. Let's just say I went with the Ducati over a GS because I'm old but I still like to squid and the Ducati is better at squidding than the BMW ever dreams of being.
Wow, exactly my thoughts. I did not rode PP but V4S and 1250GS and that's 1:1 with your conclusions. GS is a great bike but just not for me. I did hundreds of kilometers without any problems. It's comfy, well made, handles nicely but it's just a SUV. It takes you in a comfortable manner from A to B but completly lacks the feeling that i'm looking for when riding a bike. V4S puts a big smile and an adrenaline rush every time I ride. That's why I ordered FL 2025 V4S :)
I think you nailed it! I rode the V4S for a week in Spain and own an R1250GS. I would score it the same way you did. I was almost afraid I would love the V4S so much that I would want it over my GS, especially since I have been a Ducati fan for a long time (but there is no Ducati dealer where I live). I was underwhelmed with the V4S. I actually preferred the DesertX we had in the group. The V4 lacked the soundtrack that I expected. I expected it to be very smooth, but it was vibey at highway speed. The quick shifter had failed somewhere prior to 10,000 km being on the new bike. And it was HOT on your junk at slow speeds and brutal in the city. On the upside, awesome top end and I enjoyed it in the twisties. But overall, I preferred the GS (which was a relief to be honest), even when compared back to back (we had 7 bikes from Love for Ride…MS V4S, Desert X, R1250GS, Africa Twin, Tiger 1200, Tiger 900, Versys 1000). I think too many street riders look at HP too much when they really should give more attention to torque. Doubley so for an adventure biker who goes off-road. The GS has a better power band for the real world. These are not race bikes. A GS has the HP of a race bike from not too long ago and torque to make you drool. The new 1300 seems to elevate it even more. The boxer sound sucks at sedate pace, but I find when you wring it’s neck it is not too bad!
You must have had an issue....vibey at highway speed could not be more opposite of my Multi. In fact that GT engine is so smooth it lulls me to sleep. My GS has terrible shifting and a terrible quick shifter. I think it is safe to say both are great bikes but it depends on your needs/wants. Pure performance there is NO comparison. Where the GS wins in my book is shaft drive. I would probably have more confidence on my GS vs PP but that really comes down to the shaft drive vs chain and not necessarily the bikes themselves. I will test a 1300 soon and I may have a different opinion but I just don't see it hitting the mark like the Pikes Peak.
@@chrisvantassel8867 Hard to say…the V4S was a rental. But it only had 10 or 11,000km on it when I rode it. At that point the QS had already packed it in. I’ll find out in 10 weeks when back to Europe to test 8 new bikes over two weeks…including a new Multistrada V4S, a new R1300GS, and six other bikes, as well as visits to Ducati and Ferrari factories and museums.
@@davidkendall1614 best of luck if u get a chance to ride a Pikes Peak I think you will dig it!
Seems a pretty bang on summary, look forward to trying the new 1300 GS. My 1250 will take some beating!... Only point I'd maybe disagree on is the seat height adjustment going to the Multistrada. The BMW has several seat options, of which there is several levels of height adjustment on the bike for each, then also the standard suspension vs the sports suspension which adds even more height adjustment and obviously the lowering kits. Pretty sure you can have the GS in every 10mm increment from 800 - 900mm depending on spec... correct me if I'm wrong.
Great summery but you missed one most critical element, which is a major consideration for long distance riders. That is the Shaft drive vs the Chain drive. 😀. (BMW also has Brembo brakes, Brembo label is on the inside though)
I think you were a little biased! 😎
In order:
Suspension, I prefer the Ducati’s skyhook. In my opinion with the telever you miss some sensibility when you brake hard and some efficiency when you brake in really bad roads.
Brakes: give a draw when facing the best braking manufacturer of the world?! Sorry but no…
Wheels: why give a victory to any one?! It’s a clear draw.
Technology: noooo… as an example, Ducati is the only one that can personalize each one of their modes (suspension, engine… ) while GS only have that option in their’s “pro” modes.
At the end, I think it must be a victory for Ducat considering what I mention before.
More… is expensive, but it has larger kms between services and more warranty years (not sure).
However, 2 really great bikes
Seat Height you're wrong. I'm 5 foot 5 inches with an inseam of 29 inches. Ducati dealers in the toronto area wouldn't even respond to my asks. I'm comfortable with 30.5 inch seat height. And I'm a torque junky I have a R18 big boxer cruiser and a F850GS factory lowered with low seat. BMW Toronto got me on a GS 1300 with electronic height adjustment with a low seat option. None of the ducati dealers were able to do anything similar. So I have ordered a R1300GS Trophy because for short people BMW is THE ONLY manufacturer that has invested in enabling adventure touring for short folks and women.
Wait what? Maybe in the USA. You can easily get lowered suspension and low seat here in europe. You can get 31,3 inches with lowered seat and lowered suspension and the facelift model can get you 30,1 inch with lowering on stop.
So Bob, important to me when looking at bikes like this for touring is: final drive….it’s a shaft every time….I just don’t want the faff of having to lube a chain each day and worry about if it needs adjusting and cleaning mid tour. Secondly I’m not sure what breakdown cover Ducati offer but BMW is gold plated pan European with repatriation included if required……makes me feel very secure 😊
Chains aren't like they used to be neither the bikes. I did 6000km trip lubing the chain 3 times (after riding in the rain). 0 needs of adjustment even when the bike took a beating in the moutain twisties. The chain looks brand new just like I get of the dealership.
Think I’m pulling the trigger on the HD PanAm. Cheaper than both of these and I’m in the US and dealers everywhere. But I would love a 975 PanAm
Fuel economy: no reference to Rally Multi version… 2 cilinders off… 4l/100km… 1st bike in the World with this tech… Besides brakes, how BM wins the tech point? Huuummm…
Why don't they reflect the truth V4 Rally, unattainable for GS
You compared between the full options GS with the normal maltistrada v4 , I have maltistrada v4 rally edition and I see it's better in terms of suspension tech options and breaking desks than the new GS
Please compare GS adventure with V4 Rally
Am I the only guy that only cares about a single category? Styling. These bikes are amazing all around, pick the one that tickles your fancy the most and start riding.
Ive had a lot of bikes in my 50 yrs of riding i test road the Ducati and it gets hot around your legs i love ducati had a couple but the grunt and the comfort of the gs for quick riding is great on my 1250. depends on where you live and what roads you ride frequently . i have other bikes for more off road stuff. Look if you bought one or the other you will be a Happy Chappy there both Amazing Bikes !!! im 62 and 73 kg , love your channel thank you from AUS.
Struggling to consider this information considering very few have ridden the gs1300 yet. It would be nice to hear /see some feedback from actual experience once it's been released to the press.
Just saying like.
Thank you for the comparison! I haven't ridden the SAS and GS 1300 yet (although both are still available, unlike Multistrada, as the Ducati dealer probably started selling their fleet very early), however I liked the Multistrada a lot. I haven't tested it around my town yet, only in Spain (with Love for Ride like another commenter here) but it feels like the only bike that is well tuned for both sporty and leisure reading. The former - duh, it is Ducati, the suspension can be appropriate, the engine likes high RPM; however even in slow riding it is comfortable enough, the engine is smooth and has enough power (sure, the power in low RPMs is lower than BMW or KTM but it's a big engine, it doesn't matter than much), basically it has everything. What surprised me is that even if the engine was boiling, even in 35 degree heat I was cool. (Sure, BMW or Triumph have good ventilation too, although Triumph cannot take tall riders because of that, but compared to say Africa Twin lack of heat was noticeable.) The only minus was the engine in low RPMs sounded like a shy vacuum cleaner but then again BMW's sound is nothing to write home about either.
We will see how BMW did with their new model, it seems that despite late season the dealer has them in testing fleet and hopefully I'll be able to test.
BMW brakes were branded Brembos at the U.S. reveal, but this was an EU spec bike. Not sure they’d change that for the U.S.
Id never buy any of these big advs, i feel theyre overkill and more statement than practicality. I do like the tech they bring in. Never liked the GS as it looked too boxy for my taste but this new direction looks nice. Slimmer, lighter. Well done bmw.
I was the same until I rode the 1200GSA, in only 27 but I absolutely love it.
Christ this is what we’ve come to, reviewing a bike that isn’t out against a bike most of us could never afford based on specs. Give me strength
well... GS is one of the best sellers in a lot of markets... so even if it is not "affordable"... it seems to be affordable to plenty of people.
The BMW has Brembo also... They branded BMW on the outer calipper covers, but the Brembo logo is is present on the inside cover of the calippers.
The 1300 GS nonlonger has Haze brakes, they are Brembo brakes with BMW Branding. Ifnyou look on the aide of the calipers youll see the brembo branding.
I rode a 2021 BMW GS Adventure. I love the bike, but the MS V4 looks to be an incredible bike. I assumed it would win this comparison hands down.
I don’t disagree with any of the assessment categories except the maintenance intervals suggested in a comment.
I’m surprised to see that it wasn’t even close.
You should check the latest MCN test between the big four adv bikes.
Regarding the suspension, you'll realise that the Ducati is actually much better on and off road overall, regardless of these individual comparisons. Yes, it is compared to the 1250, but from hearing about other reviews, they are worlds apart in driving pleasures.
Of course this is very subjective at the end of the day and I simply wouldn't buy a huge adv to begin with. It's just not practical and I'd for sure go for a Desert X for adv style bikes.
Not only a Ducati fan here, as I'm soon getting a Triumph T120 Black, following the Ducati Scrambler 800 Nightshift I currently have.
Safe rides everyone!
I think the base model r1300gs with the cast wheels and low height will make a great road bike with an upright riding position. I don't really see it as a ADV at all. Isn't the seat height under 800mm now in the right configuration.
@@chrishart8548 Interesting point of view, but they still seem to sell it as an ADV when you look at their advertisement and category they put it in. Your pointers prove just how strange the overall outcome is. Either way, not for me! haha
Why don't you say anything about Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally, why no comparison with it
Hi. Love your youtube channel. You forgot to put the GS driveshaft on the scale. A huge advantage.
The comparison is good but there no reasons to argue. Each one has points to attract. Like chain vs shaft, the same are the bikes. You want performance and character get the Ducati. You go for reliability and tranquility tranquility, go for gs. Personally I consider ktm a better option mainly due to the discounts but also because it has low down torque plus hi rev power.
Tks for the video. In fact, the verdict should depends on what you do (which types of roads)
I have a GSA and I just tried the Multi V4S. I love both for different reasons
Based on the fact that I ride 99% in the mountains with hairpins (almost 8-10k kms per year loaded with 140 liters of luggage), the torque is the most important.
One topic you could have added in the comparison is the luggage ... both are bad, small and expensive ... better to go to SW-Motech or similar but we have no clue for the GS because nothing is existing now (even if I am sure the GS will have everything available in some months). That's why it's important to go to the EICMA this year
i would say that the power of the muti gives more fun and is much better for day or WE trips while the current GS is better for weeks trips
I will try the new GS in 2 weeks, make my choice and order one or the other
The comparison on paper is important but the live test will be key to decide (position, handling, ...)
Today, I am not sure ... let's see
Which is better for a passenger on the pillion?
Just bought a gs1300, had a gs1200 but to sloppy with no sports feel so got rid. New gs13 with extra power and sharper handling made it a re-purchase for me. Never fancied a Duke but not sure why
the g1300 also comes with Brembo brakes it is just written inside the calipers
You are not comparing the correct Multistrada. The Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally is the direct competitor to the 1300GS. The Rally has a 30 liter tank, and shuts down 2 cylinders for improved fuel economy. Even my rough calculations equate to around 428km (265 miles) range. It has been reported elsewhere that the range is between 280 and 330 miles, which is probably optimistic. Ignoring fuel consumption, that gives the Ducati similar, or longer, range to the 1300GS. There are additional features on the Rally that give it better touring and offroad ability.
I just realized, you reviewed the Rally a month ago. Yeah, this is far from a good comparison.
As a long time owner of BMW motorcycles, the Multistrada is on my current short list of bikes to buy. Ready for something that is a bit more exciting, even if It is chain drive.
Brakes go to the Ducati. Brembo stylemas are better, they just are. Had them on my Triumph GT Explorer and they are far better than the standard Brembo on my GSA
BMW brakes are actually Brembos and are even batched Brembo between the calipers . Furthermore it’s mentioned in the video
@@os6219 There is a big difference between Stylema Brembo and the standard. I have had both and know the difference.
I would get the bmw especially considering it’s the value proposition of the two. However, the good looking Ducati is the Desert X, not the MultiStrada…
Used to have RT and found it comfy, quiet and relaxing. Nimble enough and fast. Bought GS after and never became friends with it. Good bike nonetheless but who really needs it (for the purpose)
3, 4, 6, 7, 11 and 13 are the reasons I would buy this bike. Sound and styling play little in my purchase.
Please make a video on v4r vs m1000rr it will a great favour
what is the point of this video? watered down content comparing spec sheets from other videos? really?
Sounds like a very good assessment of the bikes, and while I wouldn't say no to either of these, I'm happier with my Tiger 900 - more nimble, looks better and cheaper (but very well equipped). I will say the GS made quite a leap forward, but I'd struggle to live with that minger of a headlight.
I’d like to see dyno charts overlayed off same dyno. I lean on side of V4 cause it’s beautiful, but I bet GS power is way more useable on the street or daily.
Chain drive vs shaft drive expense and durability would be a nice comparison to do.
Offset by the fact the BMW requires 2 valve checks in the same mileage Ducati requires one. I think a chain and sprocket set is cheaper than two valve checks.
Not to put holes in this argument but, isn't the Multistrada V4 in a different price class? A better comparison would probably be the Multistrada V2.
GS1300 for me. I don’t like the Ducati’s beak and the fuel economy is atrocious.
It would be good if you added servicing costs and resale values 🤔
The 36,000 mile service interval on the Multistrada is nice. Unsure what it is on the GS.
Boxers are simple to service. The Multi’s procedures require a deep dive to get at the valves. I own both and love them both for different reasons.
@@tomtraynor5384 10000 km. That’s one of the annoyances with the GS - whenever you plan a longer trip, there is always the servicing to consider. But 36000 mi on the Multistrada is for big service with valve check, not the regular sevice, which is at 15000 km. But Bmw’s valve check is every 20000 km…
My pick is to stick with my 1250 GSA the new GS is hideous.
Good video. I don't agree on the seat height point going to Ducati though, for two key reasons: the GS can achieve the lowest seat height (800 mm) and overseat measurement, and critically it can 'auto' lower to minimum preload based on speed, the Ducati (and Triumph) cannot. It also lowers at the front and not just thee rear like its peers. I speak as a 6' 2" Multistrada owner.
795mm for multistrada :) 840mm stock -15mm with lowered suspension and -30mm with lowered seat. Multis have also minimum preload setting now (after software update). Facelift even has special thing that can lower bike 30mm for you under 10kmph.
50/50 these two are both top notch adventure bikes.
I did drive the V4 and 1250. I liked V4 more. But with new 1300 I would test them again to decide.
Another negative point to multistrada V4 for not having a shaft drive.
For real adventure : GS / for real Life : V4S. Most people dream adventures but ride their motorcycle to work , around town, weekend travels, and 2 week for holidays.
Ducati Multistra Rally all day!
They break even on the suspension. That’s saying something for the Ducati. I’ve owned several GSAs. I’ve never owned a Ducati. But I may have one in the future.
I think a better comparison would be Multistrada vs S1000XR. Both roadbikes with a 4 cilinder engine.
🤘🤘 hoping for a R1300RS just to have 50cc more than my wife 😂
I'm sure it will come. Should loose some weight too. The rs is a bit on the heavy side vs the competition. Should bring it much closer to a sports bike with loads of extra torque.
I rode the V4s in the summer and it roasted my family jewels. I also found it quite vibey. Handled well, I wanted to love it but just didn’t 😢. I would never have considered a GS before but the new 1300 styling looks fantastic imho. Fingers crossed it rides as good as it looks
Same here! If you don’t like roasted nuts, hope you don’t get caught in a city. At highway speeds way more vibration and less comfort than a GS. Also, although our test bike was new, the quick shifter had packed it in on the V4S at less than 10,000 km. Also on the downside, I expected to be seduced by the V4 soundtrack, but was sadly disappointed. I actually preferred the V2 of the DesertX. On the upside, the top end was awesome and loved it in the twisties. But then again, I love the GS in the twisties too.
Amazes me to test a v4 vs a flat 2…..why not the V2s duke vs the flat 2 bmw?
I have a 1250 GSA and for the price tag the new 1300 are starting at it’s a joke. For 49PS extra.
A lot of opinion for a guy who didn’t actually do a comparison test between the bikes. Moto B just reads the specs to make his analysis. Those Haynes calipers have already been recalled last year so how can that be a tie? When compared to the world’s best calipers on the Ducati?
No opinion on the Ducati having a chain and the BMW a drive shaft? why still a chain, I love the Ducati, but a chain??
I FAR prefer boxer sound (when coming from a proper exhaust).
I have actually been praised about it by a Ducati rider in a traffic light.
(then again my old 1200GS has a full exhaust replacement - pipes etc. - and is a bit like hell is coming)
4:49 but wait until it’s dark it becomes a hassle put this phone on this quadlock. There is something better and easier. It’s Peak Design. I replaced all my quadlocks with them.
I love my 2018 rallye, but I think the real weigth of a fully loaded 1300 will be really close to the actual model. Al the weight shown is the bery basic bike with no accessories. The only negative I see on the 1300 is the super exposed "reverse peak" (lol), tje rear mounted radar seems to be super exposed, and being all plastic it will be expensive to replace, it looks like a one piece molded plastic.! Also, it looks chinesse made,not german!
I’ve had Ducati and BMW, The best bike is ……..the Honda 750 X.
Unlike the Ducati, the electronics are not made of spaghetti, the beemer is over priced but ideal if your a wealthy 6fft plus dentist, while the beemer has got lighter, is it still too much of a behemoth.
Too close to call...you gotta ride them, and pick the one that makes your heart beat faster.
Two great bikes, love the Ducati engine. The winning factors for me for the BMW: no chain maintenance, much less fuel consumption
Tell me you want a 1300GS without telling me you want a 1300GS haha! Actually love the design of the new GS but don't like the previous dad models 1200 and 1250. That said it's the multi v4 for me everytime. Thought can afford neither!!
Yoy shouldn't do a comparison of a 2021 MTS with a 2023 BMW, you should use the Rally V4 even that I owe a V4s like this one, I am not agree with some of your comparisons, suspension and comfort,technology to the GS that a no,no, I have long legs and I keep hitting that boxer engine all the time, and yes the GS has more torke but when you push that throttle on the V4 you don't feel it, also don't make it too obvious yoy are a GS guy 😂😂
Thanks
The new GS design is growing on me, but my pocket is not 😢
Join the club. There isn't many that are these days.
I’d take that new GS. Love the revised look, very sleek compared to the previous Gen and the other manufacturer’s offerings. Not enough range out of the Ducati either.
The thing that is difficult to quantify is the ownership experience and I would suggest that the BMW would win in that regard. Motorcyclists are tinkerers and like to do things to their bikes themselves and on that score the BMW would be streets ahead of the Ducati.
BMW offers a low frame option for the GS for smaller riders
The new GS looks like the Honda CB500X. No way you can compare its looks with the Multi. The Boxer runs like a tractor versus the smooth V4.
Pub bragging rights, only..when are you going to get to 170 bhp on the road! Torque wins, all day. I like both bikes, and they both appeal to different markets. Bikes are like beer/food, very personal. Take your choice and enjoy!
Use the power? Every ride--with my wife on the back and panniers. Never take ride with bags and wife where we don't casually do "the ton". So I picked the sportiest "Adventure" bike I could find: The Multi Pikes Peak. I'll surely look at the new GS--and the XR1000 M--but is a "screamer" motor the thing on a spot tourer--as I tend to label the 17" bikes?
I think a drag race is in order.
Seat height point should've gone to the BMW with their automatic lowering suspension. I rode one and it was awesome. No comparison to the DUCATI
Lol ducati also have automatic lowering suspension.
@@myousic4564 Lol no they don't! Not till next year nice try...
Brakes even LOL, who paid for this video BMW?
I have to ask, what are the main differences between the Multi V4 and the Desert X? It seems to me both bikes occupy close to the same niche in the ADV bike market. Is it as simple as the Desert X being the more off-road oriented of the two? If you dressed the Multi V4 with all the off-road options, would it catch up to the X? Bob, i need your guidance here. Cheers Mate!
The Desert X uses the 950 engine same as my Multi V2S, it’s all on the Ducati website. Much less power but no slouch and a lot lighter…
@@IanTed Also a 21" wheel vs 19" wheel with better on-road tire options for 19" wheels in general.
I'm sure both bikes are more than capable of taking their rotund, mid-40's charges on their arduous 40-mile return trip to the local gastro pub each Sunday..... 😂
the ratio is 10:2 over Ducati unless you were treated the usual ..."leverage" from the Fritzes
2 reasons why I’d avoid the GS.
- The official motorrad dealer network atrocious here.
- GS riders think they’re superior than everyone and the own the highway.
Btw the brakes one the GS are brembo. It’s still printed on the inner side of all 3 calipers.
Bought the 1300, really would have liked the Ducati but fuel consumption put me off !
Gs”.s breakers make a noise of old bike. Both: BMW and Brembo calipers.
To me this a pointless comparison as the Ducati is different bike and would you really take a bike that expensive off road or have confidence in its reliability?
It’s also ridiculous power output which is useless in almost every circumstance except a track 😂
A better comparison would have been the pan America which is 150bhp and was the first to have ARH or the Tiger 1200.
All in these bikes are all way too expensive now and the smaller 890/900 GS or Tiger 900 etc are actually better bikes
Well--I make $300/hr--so lucky me: Pikes Peak. With two more Ducati's in the garage.
Great review, but as a 5x GS/GSA owner im not sold on the new GS hopefully the new GSA will be out in 2024. Im thinking of changing from BMW to Ducati as i think the Multistrada is beautiful, and away nicer looking than the GS, but with beauty comes issues and Ducati like Alfa Romeo have a longer list of issues that specs.
Dunno how you gave the first point for Power to the Multi, yes it has a higher ceiling but it makes only about 138HP at the 7750RPM where the new GS makes 145HP. The difference is probably even bigger at the wheel since the Multi has ~18.22% loss while the current r1250gs has ~15.8% loss.
Where are you getting your power "loss" numbers at wheel? Usually--shaft drive is the power loser to the wheel. My Multi Pikes Peak did 154 HP to the wheel, albeit with the full Race Exhaust and included Ducati remap. Figure about 4 HP gain up top--so 150 HP for stock. But torque peak increases and the RPM peak comes down to 6900 RPMs at 91 ft. lbs. with much better mid-range power.
@@tomtraynor5384 Calculated loss numbers by comparing the claimed figures vs dyno figures for the V4S (stock exhaust) and the R1250GSA. The 154HP you're talking about must be peak power. Even the V4S peaked at 148HP to the wheel. The 138HP I mentioned was at 7750RPM tho, not the peak. It was around 117HP at the wheel at 7750RPM. Assuming that's after a ~18% loss, I calculated it must be 138HP at the crank for purpose of comparing it to the beemer's claimed figure.
@@harsh07gOf course my 154 HP V4 number is peak power. Your 148 HP stock peak HP is pretty close to the 150 stock power I estimated. Within Dyno error for sure. MY Dyno graph at about 7750 RPMs shows 135 WHP AT THE WHEEL with pipe and tune. Go find the video of a stock Multi V4 leading the GS for DEAD from a roll-on in gear-same gear. Dynos are cool--for comparing SAME MOTOR/SAME DYNO tuning changes. However, the real road rules. And on that road--the Multi does Ducati things to the GS. Who cares? ME. Wifey likes to experience a nice mellow 'Ton Up" every ride. Happy wife--happy life. :)
@@tomtraynor5384 Yeah the Multi drops the 1250gs but the improvements in power n torque and the drop in weight with the new 1300gs are why I think that won't be happening anymore
Without having to get off the bike, take off my gloves and unlock my phone to do the conversion, how many MPG ffs?
The real weight of the new GS is far higher than they write on the data sheet. The weight on the scale, depending on the configuration, is the same or higher than the 1250!!!
That said, both are fantastic bikes!
Living in the Alps I know what is better for me, so I have a KTM 1290 Super Adventure 😉
Riding a lovely Multi V2S I will test ride both next change. Had three GSs but got sick of the weight and height for those of us with short legs. The new GS seems to have addressed that issue and I like the new look even if it hasn’t got the beauty of a Ducati’s lines…
Compare to Ducati new RALLY
haha,joker how can you rate the bm without riding it and doesn't sound like you've ridden the multi either!!!
"SPEC comparison"......
I’m not a big fan of the beemer but I think it sounds better.
Interesting. That bleating noise the GS makes is an obstacle--for ME.
The GS is also Brembo brakes. It says so on the inside of the system (ie. see from the right the inside of the left and the opposite). Outside they agreed to say BMW.
And of course it has smaller disks because it can afford to. It is lighter and the telelever doesn't put that much pressure to the front as the conventional.
For the same reason the suspension tubes can afford to be thinner.
V4 S Rally 😁🏍🤙
The great bike V4 Rally
Nope. Boxer for me; sorry. Also, what's up with the BMW Porsche Macan single headlight? BMW ran out of ideas?
I like your vids but think you've got those one wrong sorry
All the ducati fan boys are completely missing the point of a TOURING bike.. just buy a super naked if you want actual thrills.. the BMW is a far superior machine for touring real world torque in the right rev range, fuel consumption and range also dith shaft drive and better service intervals its not even a comparison really
Rode a GS 1250 with my wife. SHE nixed it--not enough thrills..... ;). Of course--we casually do "The Ton" every ride just for FUN. Hey! THAT is why I ride: F-U-N.
Is this guy in the pay roll of BMW Motorrad?
Multistrada all the way, it look a real bike and not a made in china copy from others ones.
IMO, the GS looks way better at this point. The Multistrada looked great when it came out but I think it could do with a refresh. I have a BMW R1150RT and a Honda CBR so maybe I'm a different target buyer but I always thought the GS looked a bit ugly. This new one could pull me over from the RT and K series bikes over to the GS for my next bike. This should attract current GS owners (cause where are they going to go?) while bringing in riders who would never have considered a BWM or a GS in the past.
I just don't like the new look of the GS, when something works don't change, just refine it.