I have my first GS a 2021 Triple Black, and it's the most neural seating, most confortable Bike I ever ridden. This bike can take corners like a Sport Bike, it torques out of coners, and the low center of Gravity does make it handle fantastic. I'm 59 yrs old, and this GS is my 26th motorcycle in my lifetime ,and I'm thinking of keeping this GS.
Thank you for the insights. Having owned 26 motorcycles sounds incredible and I wonder how that's even possible but what matters here is that your recommendation for the GS stands really strong because of that. Thanks for sharing and all the best with your '21 GS!
If you started at 16 like i did 26 isn't that difficult. I did honda mt-5 1996 then cb125rs 1997 passed test got a kmx200 just to make the most of my licence. Then got a suzuki gs500e as the kmx200 was impractical. Did 59 miles to a tank. And so much 2stroke oil. My dad bought a honda xl250r and never once rode it so I used that and the gs500. Got a xr250r (1997) in 1998 brand new old stock. as I liked the xl250r and wanted my own. Left my job sold the xr250r needed the money. Then bought a kawasaki gpz500s (wanted this rather than the gs500e all along but the gs500 was cheaper) so that's 7 in 2 1/2 years came back to riding in 2011 had another xr250r import (electric start) xr125L 2004 bmw f800gs and a aprilia sx50 motard.
I'm just new with motorcycles. I OWNED 4 and a scooter in 3 years. Sold my ninja 1000 and r3, bought a Honda cb650r and a GS 1250. So that 6 already and new XMAX scooter thats 7 already within 4 years. Is 26 or 30 bikes in you lifetime is impossible? I don't think so. I am planning to sell my old 2 and buy a Harley cruiser.
Did over 2500 kms tour of Scotland in September with a friend on his Ducati V4s and me on my 1250GS. Very matched bikes. 2 big differences. Vario Luggage on GS much more capacity than Ducati panniers. Big DIFFERENCE was fuel economy. Even though we rode together at same speeds and together throughout, the V4s was 25% more THIRSTY than the GS1250 at every fuel stop!
Thanks for sharing this and I actually really expected the BMW to be more fuel efficient. I remember the 1150 and 1200 boxers which were really good with saving fuel. Glad to have it confirmed that at least in comparison to others, this still stands.
@@VToldsMotoShow I think a lot of it to do with the Torque, I could leave in 5 or 6 gear for most riding whereas the V4s needed to be dropped to 3 or 4 with much more revs to keep to same speeds as the GS. My friend said he honestly prefers the characteristics of the 1260 engine, his previous bike as he changes the multistrada every year. He also was not a fan of the Pikes Peak version due to over sporty Ohlins for touring and preferred the S models with the electronic suspension. Good to get real opinion of new bikes rather than the paid journalists or influencers who are encouraged to report ‘progress’
Thanks for the info thou not surprising really. In Sydney both these bikes in top spec are almost $40,000AUD Ouch! So if you can afford these bikes I don't think fuel economy is an issue for you.
As an older rider (63), i prefer torque, drive-shaft, balancing , anti -diving front suspension and comfort over horse power and sound. I do believe the bmw is better in gas mileage than the Ducati. I can understand that younger riders may prefer the raw power and looks of a Ducati. Both are great bikes however, they do have their price. What’s with the burning left leg? I never had an issue with that or never noticed it. Thank you for a thorough and fair review 👍.
Thanks for sharing your view. I'm glad you liked the video. As for the "burning" left leg when riding the Multistrada V4 S, it's that the engine gets very hot on its left side to the point that the close proximity of a rider's left leg to it causes discomfort. I called that "burning" the leg and perhaps touching the engine (any bike's engine) could literally cause that. Still, here it's the emission of heat on its left side that's not comfortable and unusual.
The Ducati has some nice features but uses a lot of plastic. Engine alone it puts a smile on. But look closely the Pannier attachment points and panniers are junk. I felt the total package lacked the fit and finish compared with the GS.
The anti dive front end let the gs down for me. Little to no front end feed back worried me, I was lucky the bike I rode had crash bars fitted, stop me crashing through losing the front end twice in a fifty mile jaunt. Relying on scaffolding around the bike to keep it shiny side up didn't impress, apparently you get used to it. Being scared to ride a little bit more adventurous scared me in stead of exciting me, you also get the stigma of owning a bmw, just as scary as the front end.
1. Nobody takes into account how quickly V4 is reving. It may have lower torque, but the speed it revs up covers for it. You twist the throttle and you are in your peak revs. 2. V4 has a 19" front wheel - only Pikes Peak version has 17" 3. You can get an electric fuel cap for the Multistrada - of course for extra $$$ 4. At the end V4 give you an impression on riding a sportsbike due to its engine but in a adventure-comfortable position. 5. Ducati can have navigation on your TFT screen so you don't need extra navigation it is not possible for GS - you need extra BMW naviagator.
Actually the BMW does allow for turn-by-turn navigation in the TFT, using your phone. So you don't have to buy the GPS. I have it because I ride places where there's no cell coverage so the GPS is more reliable
@@Rotor-Sims you can always take the NAV back and exchange it for a new one if it's giving you problems. I had to do that and they just handed me a new one in the box, no questions asked.
I have test ridden both motorcycles and to me the BMW GS just feels more comfortable to ride. It is such a well refined motorcycle. Yes, perhaps the Ducati is faster but that is not the point with an adventure bike. The GS is quick enough for me.
i had a GS and currently own a Multistrada V4 S, both are amazing motorcycles but i have to agree that Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes, it is just so much fun to ride!!
Your explanation of HP and torque and how it feels is very accurate and just what I felt after trying a 2023 V4 Rally vs my own older GS. Most of the time we are not racing...then the higher torque of the GS is way more useful. I didnt manage to ride the V4 in a city in 4th gear at all. it felt like the Ducati loosed breath. With a GS you can ride a city almost everywhere in 4th....and still have quick access to lots power when needed...without shifting gear. The Ducati was in every other aspect a great bike, but I stick with the GS because of just this. When you then also add the great handling of the GS and driveshaft vs oiling and maintaining a chain, fuel economy and the comfort....there should not be any doubt. Im an older rider, a younger may go for the horsepower numbers and looks and maybe the sound... 🙂 KTM? NOT
I have a R1250GGS te, has to be the best most versatile bike ever. No sports bike will stick with you on a twisty mountain road, suspension is outstanding and fantastic for touring. Get one you wont look back
And I get what you meant about a twisty road and I'm very much convinced that it's exactly on point. I'd add that an inexperienced or simply careful rider could do so much on a twisty road with a GS that it would require a relatively much more experienced or fearless rider on a sports bike to keep up.
I'm 67 years old. I've owned two BMW's (one RT and one K1200R). I've also owned two Multi's. I have ridden the RT on a 5300 mile tour and must say it was the most uncomfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have ridden the Multistrada on a 7800 mile tour and felt much more comfortable. These tours were done in North America and although both were enjoyable, the longest one on the Multi was more so. The question of shaft vs chain is always a point of conversation. I know that around the 2007 time frame BMW was having problems with blowing rear drives. I have always been of the opinion that yes, shaft drive is much cleaner and much less maintenance intensive than a chain. However, the chain is an easy fix (normally) when you are in the middle of nowhere and your final drive fails; shaft/rear drive not so much. Spare chain is cheap insurance. I suppose you could carry and spare shaft/rear drive but would be pretty expensive. We all pays our money and ride our choices. I like riding a bike that's different and speaks to me (Italian is such a sexy language, LOL). Yes, my wife is Italian too! As the saying goes: DUCATI, there is no substitute!
Thanks for that I was thinking RT as I rode one and loved it but bought the multi which is amazing to ride and the adaptive cruise is awesome awesome awesome…but it’s in shop. Broke down 5000 kms. Never 40 years riding have I been stranded. Yamaha and BMW prior.
I'm turning 30 in about a month and I just got my first GS about 2 months ago. A 2021 1250 Rallye. I'm coming from sport bikes and track days (I did keep the '03 RC51 in the stable, so there is that) but as my fiance has really started enjoying riding pillion over this past year, I needed something more suitable for her to get on the back of and have it really be enjoyable for some planned touring. The Speed Triple RS had accommodations for her, but it just wasn't enjoyable for either of us. I also was trying to consolidate a bit as my number of bikes was getting a little out of hand and wanted a great all around option. I was really considering the V4S as I figured that would be a perfect compromise between my love of speed, sport bikes and riding hard yet still have the passenger accommodations and comfort. However once I went and saw, sat, and rode on each bike I ended up going with the GS. There are certainly pros and cons to each bike, but the GS just felt like more of the complete package and more refined overall, and even though the V4S clearly has it beat in sound, and rowdiness overall... The GS really surprised me in just how quick and sporty it can be rode. The handling is so surprisingly light and agile and the front end surprisingly sharp. As long as you're not trying to lean it over at sport bike angles, it will give you every bit of mid corner sport bike confidence you would ever need for spirited twisty road riding. I have a riding buddy on an '06 GSXR1000 and when we ride the twisties I let him go ahead and I have no issues staying on his tail, though I fancy myself the better rider. Also I preferred the look of the GS, and I thought the overall build quality seemed much better on the GS as well. The Multi just has such a big bulbous mid section and I felt the front end was too short.
Thanks for sharing all this - it was certainly an enjoyable read for me. Now I'd say that you've chosen a very nice gift for yourself the 30th birthday! And as I see, you've considered a lot of factors that ultimately led you to choosing the GS. As you mentioned, V4S has some advantages over it so it's all about what you like the most in a bike and what your preference is. I'm glad that you were able to make your choice, base it on specific areas and that you seem happy with the choice. Some say that there are reasons for so many riders choosing a GS and there's no way to argue with that. I hope that you'll be as happy with the bike as you are as a GS seems to be a great companion for how you like to use it. Especiall hunting that GSXR 1000! Cheers!
The 1260 L twin with race map and full Termi exhaust puts a smile on my face every time I throw a leg over. Not as good on dirt but 80 % on road it’s the perfect weapon.
BMW for me for all the reasons you mentioned plus I love the GPS integration and position. I use it all the time on my "adventures". In mixed riding I get 46 US miles/gallon.
A very analytical vid and I see your point. I am 59 and test rode both the GS and Multi V4 before making my purchase. I bought the Multi V4 because I wanted a bike that was comfortable, well equipped, that could tour, but was also engaging on a local ride and boy that V4 is engaging! Yes the GS has the torque and economy but the Multi V4 has the engagement and exclusivity.
Thank you for sharing. It's an interesting insight into the purchasing process, so thanks for putting some additional light on it. I see where you're coming from with the V4 and right, there can be that performance that's out of GS's range. I'd appreciate this myself and while all that monster torque of a GS is really nice and useful, when it comes to really pushing the engine, it simply lacks the horsepower in the higher end. Cheers!
I had a 2019 Ducati 1260S and now I have a 2021 BMW R1250GSA. No comparison the BMW is much better bike for my intended use. So much more enjoyable to ride 500-700 mile day. I know that my Duc was older but I have no regrets! Oh and if you really want AMAZING Sound???? Buy an Aprilia RSV4 or Tuono! Ive owned both and NOTHING compares!!! I do enjoy that the BMW is very quiet when riding back road.
Great review! Subscribed. Just wish you would have touched a little more on reliability and maintenance costs but overall an excellent job. Thank you. 👍🏼
Thanks, I'm happy that you enjoyed. As for running costs and reliability, this requires a conversation with a specific dealer to know their labor rates for example. In terms of reliability on the other hand, this is best verified by long-term owners I think. However, I spent some time with a few Ducatis and BMW over the last years and only one BMW had a little issue and that was F900XR which at some point wouldn't want to start its engine - I'll show it in my review of it next week. While Ducatis: my first ride around 2010 was with a salesperson on a Monster 1100 which they were unable to start for a few minutes - the engine wouldn't engage. Then I rode a Multistrada 1200 after the facelife that wasn't showing fuel level - that was a demo bike too. And then a Diavel that had some clicking noise that likely was caused by a chain. All these bikes were dealers' bikes that would undergo regular inspections. Still 3 flaws vs 1 temporary. I'd say that there may be something to the legendary Ducati issues. But I wouldn't bother and just get the bike that I like and just fix it when it needs it. And new ones are under warranty, so no worries anyway.
The GS is the best selling bike for a reason as most riders eventually come to realise it has all the ingredients to make the perfect do it all recipe. A Ducati for me is a beautiful Italian sports bike in the shape of a Panigale. So my garage only needs a GS and a Panigale to make my biking life perfectly complete : )
I guess Bmw is always the safest choiche for so many reasons. Though i just bought the V4S because it's so much fun even in difficult road conditions. Moreovere there are too many gs around so it's nice to see something red on the street :)
I totally get the popularity point and I'm convinced that a V4S - especially being a totally new bike - will be more exclusive and sort of exotic. I do like that too actually! All the best with your red beast out there! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow I have a '18 1200 enduro and even among seasoned motorcyclists, they seem lost on the "enduro" part (no off road history there!). I love it for its engine, sound and profile and is perfect for the crappy roads in commiefornia which will pummel you on a sport bike. For me, fits me like a glove! I'm 6-6 and not a fatty. Even my bother likes it, even though he is perched on a KTM 1190.
I took both for extensive tests rides and bought the BMW. I just bonded with it better. The way it delivers power, the handling and balance, low center-of-gravity, comfort, wind protection, the lighter control feel, it just added up to the better experience for me. I've only put 500 k m on it so far but I absolutely love it. I bought the trophy edition which comes with the sports suspension that is the same as on the GSA so you get an extra 20 MM travel. And the shaft drive pays dividends every minute you ride the bike versus the radar cruise control that you're only going to use a fraction of the time. Also the lack of dive in the front and allows for much better and more confident trail braking into turns.
I hit a deer at 45 mph on my GSA 1250 and the bikes brakes worked great along with the steering damper as did not dump the bike on the road. I give the 1250 10 stars for saving my ass.
Sorry to hear about the situation and great job by you by saving yourself and also by the bike by helping you do that. It sounds like a good score for the bike.
Having owned Italian cars and Italian bikes, everything from Ferrari, Fiat and Lancia, and Aprilias, I’d never ever buy another Italian bike. Secondly, a chain is far more mechanically efficient, but is a total pain in the arse. If you ever go to change your chain cogs yourself, you’ll see what shit gets trapped in the gear housing. Shaft drive may be less efficient, but it saves so many headaches, and you won’t end up wrapped around a tree because you didn’t tension your chain. The telelever again is a massive plus, separating steering, braking and suspension forces is common sense if you’ve ever ridden a K (duolever) or R (telelever) they knock USD forks to the dark ages. Lastly, BMW, in Europe at least have pretty good dealers who (mostly) look after you well. I went into a Ducati dealer once and they wanted a £500 deposit to test ride a bike. That was the same day I put £1k deposit on my first BMW bike. Ducatis look gorgeous, but I’d rather have a reliable, sensible Fraulein, than a fiery, temperamental signorina.
Thank you for showing your point of view and I get it. I also believe that the front suspension of some BMW bikes is superior to the rest, hence giving a lot control and fun even when braking. Same with the shaft drive - it's simply a more advanced solution. They're not lazy designing their bikes. Now... about that Ferrari... of course it caught my attention immediately. Lucky you!
@@VToldsMotoShow Ferrari was almost a different lifetime for me!it was a long time ago, 30+ years. If I’d kept it, it’d have been worth money now, unlike my Aprilia RST1000 Futura…..now that looked like a stealth fighter, but was as reliable as an EU leader! I’ve bought myself a ‘21 plate RT with everything on it, except it has the little top box, not the normal one. It looks like a bloody barbecue on the back! The guy that had the bike put every 719 item on it, ACC, Akrapovic, ram phone mount, crash bars (the rear ones are crap) but didn’t put a proper top box on! What idiot does that? Apparently, he owned a couple of new Porsches, but it seems was too tight to make sure i dont have to pay for one! The dealer has sorted me out, so i’m just waiting for my pension to pay out. The CFO (wife) said i had to wait, no loans, no big deposits, just wait. So 5th November is when i pick it up. You did a great report on the RT which was instrumental in me choosing one.
Im an owner of a 750 gs and I LOVE IT, bmw has always been my dream bikes. i plan on switching to the 1250 GS/GSA i recently started looking at the V4s and it has cool things like the radars, with the blind spot light and the adaptive cruise control and the app conection to show the map on scree. BUT! i think the 1250 gs/gsa still being the king there. I still hope BMW can adapt some of these feautres in the future. :D great video! im still going for the bmw < 3 cheers!
I'm glad that you like the video and I think that BMW will be incorporating those features pretty quickly. We may see it hopefully soon when the new big GS is released. It's going to be hot news for sure, so let's stay tuned. All the best!
20:50 First of all, congratulations for the clear and complete presentation. Finally someone who doesn't speak like a madman and way too fast for non-native English speaking people. That said, you make a point about chain drive versus shaft drive. It may be that initially the Cardan drive offers an advantage in terms of maintenance and costs. However, 2 things: 1) if a Cardan drive gives problems - (which occurs relatively often after 80,000 km) then it is really your turn in terms of costs and misery. 2) I often like to change the transmission ratio by mounting another front sprocket, which is an impossibility with a Cardan drive.
Thanks! And yes, in older bikes with higher mileage, any sort of malfunction due to wear will be more likely and it's more risky buying/keeping such a machine. So I'd say it depends what one is buying and so how risky that is. Ducati isn't known for their reliability and I can confirm the doubts about this topic as I've seen a few dealers' demo bikes with issues while no other manufacturer except from KTM would have demo bikes with any sort of clear issues. I prefer the shaft but could live with a chain and automatic lubrication. Thanks a lot for the input!
V4s for me, (btw. the Multistrada V4 has won the Alpenmasters-2021) - V4: great quickshifter and blipper, while on the GS the system does not shift gears as smooth - V4: more modern technology, less maintenance costs / risks and more technology for the money, while BMW is overrated: - V4: ACC, BlindSpot Detection, great features while travelling in high density areas - V4: better suspension, GS like a "rocking horse" in mode "road" - V4: better brakes "Brembo Stylema" in front , while BMW mounts "Hayes Brakes" - V4: 60.000km intervall large service, while GS must be checked by the dealer every 10.000km - V4: 2 years or 15tkm intervall to change the engine oil, while intervall of the GS is every year - no exhaust flap on the Ducati, while the exhaust flap on the GS is very expensive to change, when the GS is out of warranty - ABS on the Ducati is self venting, while the GS has a big issue with the brake pedal (rear brake and air in the system) since 1200LC, must be vented by the dealer every 3.000km - Leakage issues on the 20-year old, small 305-brakes on the GS. (selling GS in the U.S. must be stopped, due to this low pressure leakage) - GS with issues on the "maintenance free" cardan, cardan sleeve leaks and rust develops. Very expensive repairing (3000€), and not easy to avoid or inspect . - GS with issues on the emergency call system, discharges the battery quick. Currently EC deactivated by the dealer as a workaround - V4: "DOT4" for clutch & brake, while GS uses a super-special fluid for clutch (rare, expensive) - V4: standard fork oil, while GS uses not easy to buy / mix viscosity (can be bought at the BMW dealer) - tbc.
Quick facts check: BMW no longer mounts "Hayes" brakes. I also find it hard to believe that Ducati would be cheaper to run in terms of maintenance. Other points are to be verified by long-term GS owners.
@@VToldsMotoShow believe it or not: Ducati Multistrada V4: no belts, no tension rollers, no desmo-service. Just engine-oil/filter and some brake fluid every 2 years; spark plugs, valve clearance check every 60.000km while BMW charges you year by year for oil, valve-clearance-checks etc . Btw: Take a look at this video, how expensive the not-serviceable ESA-shocks (front/rear) of the BMW are and we are not talking about the exhaust-flap or drive-shaft risks. The fuel consumption of the ducati will be overcompansated by the good mechanic-design of the motorcycle. A masterpiece of Ducati instead of marketing-motorcycle "GS" ua-cam.com/video/oOzBC_F6y2E/v-deo.html
You forgot the V4 engine recalls over valve issues. And the large service for a GS is every 20000km and costs about 400 euro's because the valves are easy accessible. Same on the KTM is about 1200 euro, so I guess on the Ducati it will be more. Love them both and each has it's pro and cons.
@@kristofdevlamynck4786 How many riders of GS or Ducati will see 60.000km? Most GS will be sold and or replaced with mileage of 20-40tkm, having already annual service paid and the valve-check service too, while the Multi-Rider has only engine-oil changed, small service. Btw. The engine recall had the BMW S1000 too, same manufacturer of the valves and change of cyclinder-head on the BMW S1000 was necessary and no give-aways were presented by BMW, while Ducati was generous. But we are not talking about recalls, in that battle, BMW-Motorcycle is not the best vendor in the past 10 years. The fuel-pump and the pivot-pin recall was unbelievable. High-risk to loose control and crash while riding single-sided swing-arm BMWs, if not checked while recall-actitivity. Take a look here, as there was for a couple of riders the GS a "near-death-experience". bmwfatalflaw.com/ Keep in mind, what the costs of the not-serviceable ESA-shocks or the Exhaust-Flap could be, when the motorcycle is out of warranty. I can not recommend to buy a BMW GS without warranty.
I own both bikes. I have a Multistrada V4 in the UK, but spend several months a year in New Zealand where I have a GS. I chose the BMW in NZ because the Ducati dealerships are thin on the ground, the BM survives being dropped on gravel roads better and a shaft is low maintenance. I will keep this short. Both bikes are equally as comfortable. Both bikes make excellent tourers. However, they are very different. The BM is very easy to ride, almost like a scooter.. I can see why so many people love them. But for me it lacks excitement. It can be ridden fast on mountain roads, but that is not what it does best. The Multistrada is definitely more motorcycle than scooter and loves mountain roads. Although expensive, I have the full race Akropovic exhaust on the Multistrada which sounds wonderful. I would pay the same for a system on the BM if it made it quieter. The exhaust note is so bad. For me, the BMW does a job and does it well in a workman like fashion with no fuss. The Multistrada goes about things with a little more fuss, but with massive attitude. it is without doubt the fun bike. If I was setting off around the world, I would choose the BMW. For a tour round Europe or a fun blast...the Multistrada every time.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with both bikes. I think I see the point and until BMW improves that clunky boxer that works super hard to dynamically propel the bike, the GS won't be giving as much excitement and a sporty feel as it might deserve thanks to its handling. All the best with both bikes!
Just bought a BMW R1250 GSA 2022 Triple Black. It is sitting off the cost in a shipping container. So it maybe a while before I get to ride it. I have test ridden the demo bike on a bike day and can say it was better than the reviews. I traded my Ducati for it. FYI - the Ducati is easily found but the GSA is rare.
Hopefully it will come soon. Depending on where you live too as in central Europe for example - which is where I am now - it's becoming cold now and soon there will be the end of riding for all of us here. So there wouldn't be much use for a new bike now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're in some place where you can ride all year round and get your GS as soon as possible.
Have been riding BMW's shaft bikes since 1995. 500,000 Kilometres later, my impression is: it's never about the absolute performance, except when doing track days, even then BMW's handling and braking make stability dominate alongside others, ease of riding really matters. Cost of ownership is relatively low, as the BMW's have only minor servicing costs, and each of my BMW's have lasted very close to 300K, few Japanese and English will have any hope of seeing this. I only traded up (gave away old) when reliability was starting to be compromised. Australia is too big to get stuck in! Think 300km between fuel stations, you might start to understand. Parts used on K1100 was one clutch, cam chain/guides, rear wheel bearing in 290,000km. Let's see others doing this. Currently R1200 RT, has 35,000km on it. Would be 75,000 except for Covid19 stoppages. For me shafts are for real distance travelling. Also rode GSX-R 1000 for a second bike for 2 years, fast, uncomfortable but license loser! Fuel efficiency, R1200, 640 km on a full 98 tank at 95km/hr. At 115 km/hr, range is 450 km.
I'm 61 and have had 4 bikes over 40 years. At the end of the day I got the 1250 GSA. There is a reason this is the bike all other manufurers compete with. I was concerned with the range of the multi. Would have liked the radar but can live without it. I want to ride from Arizona to Alaska, I can see doing it on the BMW but not the multi. For raw power, I have a vrod with a racing motor that is 100% raw and visceral, but I appreciate the refined nature of the GSA.
Thanks to help me easier making decision. Right now, my choice is 2023 R1250gsa. Even I am just 5'9. Actually, in june promotion, here in Thailand V4S is 25% discount with free 1st class insurance.
Wanted to get away from my GSA; rode the other two extensiveLY but kept the GSA. I have other Ducati & ktm in my garage so I’m no ‘brand man’. The gs composure, torque and presence wins for me.
Both are perfect bikes. It all comes down to personal choice. I'll take the Ducati any time of the day. Riding with jeans, you will feel the heat in the summer riding in the city. For me it was never a big deal with proper riding pants. The v4 has two radiators in the front vs one on the older V2s and it should defletd hot air away from your legs. I have yet to test drive one and see how it compares to mine.
KTM MIGHT give that nimble GS slow-speed handling feel now, as the new fuel tanks are low-mounted. Multi is thirsty, reportedly gets 30-35 MPG vs about 35-45 MPG for both the GS and the KTM 1290 motors. I'd like to see the KTM Super Adventure S against the Multi as the sporty side of two-up touring is my preference. I haven't seen any of several video commentators--Bike World--etc, say they would take the Ducati over the KTM. Mostly pro-KTM. The KTM seemed as sporty in feel to the Ducati, while providing some GS competency as tourer.
Very interesting points about the KTM. Made me wonder even more. Also, a new Triumph Explorer 1200 is coming, so the competition will get tougher one again here.
I have a GS Adventure 2021 40 Anniversary Edition. And it is the best bike I ever rode... period. Traveling easily 600km to 800km a day and arriving still able to go to dinner and even party a little. Bigger fuel tank is a real blessing and just the overall comfort and safety are amazing. Definitely a keeper.
Great video, and I do love my R1250GSA for all the reasons you mentioned. If you want to ride another bike that offers similar handling and nimbleness, a surprising choice is actually the Kawasaki Versys 650LT. It’s an amazing offering that, in my opinion, steals a lot of its ergos from the BMW RT. That combined with its light weight and tall compliant suspension makes for a crazy-good riding experience.
Interesting is what you mentioned about the Kawasaki Versys. Although a much smaller motorcycle, it's still not easy to build one that feels light and is nimble. I wonder whether it wouldn't be matched more closely with BMW F850GS.
An amazing review. Thanks for that. As for the bikes, the drive shaft vs radars IS a major consideration, in my opinion. Having worry-free drive is great. But I can't dismiss the importance of blind corner spotting for a bike. Safety > Maintenance surely? I think it is a more possible scenario for BMW to add blind spot radar, than Ducati switching to a drive shaft. If GS gets that, in my mind, will be VERY tough to beat.
Thanks for the comment, Yiannos! I'm glad that you like the review. I agree with you that is should be a much easier for BMW to get the rear radar than to develop a drive shaft for Ducati. What's interesting is that Triumph showed us their new Tiger 1200 with a drive shaft and with a rear radar, so they've combined the two features. It seems to be more expensive than the GS, which is a bit surprising, but it will be interesting to find out what it's like. Cheers!
My BMW shaft drive self destructed in Morocco 2 weeks after a BMW service. BMW Morocco could not fix it so I had to freight the bike to Spain for repair. I've never had a shaft drive since then. If basic chain maintenance is too messy or too much effort, perhaps motorcycling is not for you.
@@richardtarr9767 I've had chain bikes for a long time, and its universally known that they are a bit more demanding on maintenance than shaft. Not a dealbreaker, but a nice-to-have. If your bike broke, and you can't accept the fact that ALL machines may break, then maybe motorcycling or using machines in general is not for YOU.
@@YiannosG You missed my point and of course I accept that machines break and so I mitigate the risk by getting mechanicals as simple and foolproof as possible. After 57 years of biking, there's nothing I've encountered that's made me feel that it's not for me. Are you from Greece? If so, whereabouts?
@@richardtarr9767 Well. To say that biking is not for one because they prefer shaft over chain was a bit heavy handed, don't you think? I am from Greece, indeed. From Thessaloniki
Either GS or XR. The Multistrada is obviously excellent but finding a dealership/ service isnt stellar. The XR does road touring. The GS does adventure touring. If the Ducati did a better mix of both it would be tempting. GS shaft drive is just infinitely better. GS all day
Interesting as I heard that about Ducati dealers network before too. I wonder why it's that exactly (can be multiple reasons like dealers margin on a single sale or just not enough customers for example) and also how it compares to KTM's.
I'm 35 and I rode my friend's 1250gs through central europe intensively for a week and I fell in love ♥️. Try it before you say it's for old men. I'm getting one!
In the end ... you will buy a R 1250 GS. But yeah ... test the others :) for a year ... maybe two. Drive the KTM, The Ducati ... The Honda ... whatever ... it is just a Jouney, ending on a R 1250 GS ^^
Dzięki i cieszę się, że się podoba ;). Rzeczywiście teraz pomału staję się zdeterminowany, aby zapoznać się bliżej z KTM, choćby w jakimś innym miejscu. Najlepszego!
@@VToldsMotoShow nobody is testing KTM 1290 SAS vs Ducati Multistrada V4S. Both ar e tested against BMW. But the BMW seems will change to R1300GS next year.
I have the V4 engine and the shaft drive in the lakes of a Honda VF our 1200 x cross tour along with incredible reliability very stable fast enjoyable bike cheers everybody oh yeah by the way I’ve had sevenGS is I love them all……
2020 gs1250 with rally version. Best bike ever. Exhaust sounds just fine. Not a good reason not to buy a bike. Heat coming off a V4-very good reason not to buy. Over all the gs is awesome. You would never regret it.
Great review as ever 👏🏻 I have a 18 plate Ducati Multi 1260s and a 18 plate KTM 1290 SAs which I have done 44k miles on. I love her but she is not well 🤧 so I have ordered a BMW 1250 GS TE Rallye which I hopefully get this week… 🙏🏼 I’m going to miss the 1290’s engine I know this but the front end handling of the GS is Voodoo!!! It’s sooooo good!!! Anyway thanks again for the videos and keep it up 👍🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi, my KTM has started with electronic suspension issues 🤦♂️ she has been fantastic for 44k miles so I’m not complaining at all she has done me proud. Very excited for the GS we hired 2 in Spain 🇪🇸 last year for a week 👌🏻
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi pal, the GS is incredible… I got last Monday and did 450 miles in 2 days so I could get her first service on Friday… 🤭 which meant full power 🤭✊🏻 totally in love already 👍🏻 hope you are well. 👍🏻
I'm an GS owner since 2008, I'm on my third GS. In 2023 i tried the Multi strada for the first time and i'm very sad to admit, i preferred it and ordered it. Sorry BMW, you've been kind to me but i just fall in Love with the Ducati.
You're really good at comparing bikes. When the 1300GS comes out next year, please compare it to the new Tiger 1200s. Other channels will start off comparing the 1300GS to the outgoing 1250GS, but a much more interesting comparison will be with it's current rivals, not it's previous generation. I've got your channel "belled" for new video alerts so I'll be looking forward to that. Thanks.
Thanks for your feedback, Craig. When the new GS will come, I also think that it will be crucial to put it against other new options on the market. Differences comparing to the current model may be sneaked through at the same time. All the best and thanks for the hint. Cheers!
I love how people want to talk about "fuel economy" on bikes that cost over $40k after tax, tag, title, dealer fees, ect. If you can buy a $40k bike, than you shouldn't care about MPG.
Somehow I think the same and at least on a bike I'd like to not have to care that much. On the other hand, if some cars start consuming less than a motorcycle, it too makes me wonder what's up. But still, it's not always the point. To me joy and ease of riding matter.
@@VToldsMotoShow sure there are cars that get better fuel economy than my V4S, but no car that gets better fuel economy has better performance. Cars that can perform like the V4S get in the neighborhood of 8-12 mpg.
Thanks for the video, it is great, I love your comments and the way you expose them. Difficult topic, difficult choice, as long as both bikes -and some others too- are really awesome. The competence is tough, very tough. KTM is worth trying, but consider also the poor service that you get from the brand once you have bought the bike, at least in Spain -I had three, and this topic was a nightmare- Consider also other options, not so powerful but also very good bikes, like the Honda Africa Twin ATAS 1100. Maybe not so explosive, but frankly comfortable and performant for the use that 90% rider are going to give to big trail bikes. Regarding the GS, the only thing that pulls me back from buying it is the tele lever front suspension system, sorry, but can't cope with it. Thanks again for your review, V-Told, keep on posting, please...
Thank you for providing your point of view and I'm glad that you like the video! Good point about KTM as I've experienced myself that the brand has some issues with its importers/dealers/whoever they have who is selling and servicing their bikes. Totally not up to the standard of other manufacturers. It's interesting what you mentioned about the Honda Africa Twin. I'm quite interested now and will likely give it a try next year if there's a chance to get my hands and butt on it. All the best to you!
I would be interested in hearing your comparison of the r1250gs Vs the new tiger 1200gt pro. I have tested them both in the last few weeks and was disappointed with the torque of the tiger below 5000rpm
That's a very interesting topic. The new Tiger is on my list as it looks like a potentially strong contender. Your feedback on it made me even more curious. Thanks for the hint and yes, it's a plan to check it deeply soon.
Smooth power delivery - likely yeah but vibration? I’d rather position it on the more “vibey” side myself. That would be one of the things that I’m not the biggest fan of.
Mentioning expensive bikes without standard equipment, the Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak won't even include grip warmers at it's "base" price of $29k. Ridiculous.
Yeah, that's right. They do require us to pay for almost anything extra and I don't really like that. I can understand that in order to lower the base prices, manufacturers offer their products without certain things for us to be able to get a bike and not have to pay for things that we don't want or need, but still, it would be nice to get something extra (on the other hand - damn, maybe we are actually getting something extra already?!).
Anyone who rides their bikes farther than the local Starbucks knows that shaft drive is the king. As an Africa Twin owner that is one of the two things that I always envy on long journeys. The other is fuel consumption. If you ride fast at around 200kph the gs consumes about 6.5 litres while Africa goes over 10. Result. 4 times more fuel stops. Same would happen with the Multi. Answer to your question: I prefer the shaft drive with the radar.
200 kph sounds a bit fast even for a GS. If it would be capable of keeping the fuel consumption at 6.5 liters per 100 and not 50 kilometers, that would be a dream. Thanks for feedback on the preference of a shaft vs the radar. Cheers!
That could be helpful yet would still differ country by country, region by region and dealer by dealer as prices are simply not matched and in the end of the day I believe that one simply needs to check what it would be like in their specific location.
I just bought the 1250 GS Adventure instead of Multistrada. I love my Panigale but heat and reliabilty are an issue…so it stays on the track…i need comfort/quality for everything else
@@VToldsMotoShow I feel the reliabilty criticism, whether deserved or not, requires Ducati to take an aggressive countermeasure….longer warranties, for ex. No one is incentivized to risk reliability far from home, so that just kills Ducati on a touring bike.
People who go on about engine torque on a combustion engine usually don't understand it properly, because it's almost entirely irrelevant. Engine torque is a static measurement that has nothing to do with acceleration. What accelerates a bike is torque at the REAR WHEEL, not at the engine. Granted, if both bikes were to crack open the throttle at 6000 rpm whilst travelling at exactly the same speed, the BMW would initially accelerate faster, but that's a entirely contrived situation that never occurs in reality. Why would you be at those revs at that speed on the Ducati? What would be the point? That's why bikes have a gearbox! Just be one gear lower and the Ducati will have considerably more torque at the rear wheel than the BMW does and so will accelerate out of a corner or overtake much faster.
fun review! i ride a 2020 multi enduro. love the highway, hate the city. every time i think about switching to a smaller bike, i twist the throttle and the acceleration jolt says....forgit bout it.
I'm glad you like the video and it's great with motorcycles when they are able to give us something that excites us. Very much appreciated. I also get enjoy the performance side a lot.
I could have got one on a PCP but things seem to be getting tight with the cost of everything going up. Dreading filing up my mondeo with a full tank of v-power the next time.
An element where the reviews hardly talk about is the reliability. how often do you need to go for repair. nothing is more annoying and kills your joy of driving then the malfunctioning of your bike. I drove a Honda Pan for 10 years and it never went to the shop beside the regular maintenance. What is your experience with those bikes: the GS, the KTM, the multistrada, the V-strom, harley Panam ...
The trustworthy source of reliability is only the manufacturers' data and their services that collect that data. They're able to assess if certain malfunctions are caused by users or not as well - which users usually cannot judge themselves. This would be the only place that I'd look for. I know that for cars there are some reports published but I'm not sure I've ever seen any for motorcycles. That's actually an interesting case.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks for your reply ... much appreciated. However 50% of the reviews are based on pure facts but 50% is based on subjective interpretation. if someone loves or hate the looks or the sound of the motorcycle is subjective ... and I like those subjective elements. another example of subjectivity or based personal experiences is how smoothly the Quick shifter works ... some thinks it is briljant others think it is one of the minor points of ghe Gs. So I don't have problem with personal experience. Even more in case of malfunctions (and I'm not talking about malfunctions due to accidents) if it is the mistake of the drivers it says something about how "idiot-proof" a bycicle is. coming back on those accidents it would also be interesting to have some input in case of adventurebikes how easily they are damaged in case you fall during off road. I think you mentioned it in one of your reviews. I'm also not convinced that manufacturers would publish how many technical issues they needed to solve. Not really good publicity. Anyway I ordered a GSA 1250 that I will have end of April and I'm so looking forward to it. Your reviews and aldo the one from Matt adventure have convinced me. Continue you very good reviews and in the same style. I like them very much. BR Luc
At my age (58) I don't need a super fast bike but a reliable, comfortable and strong bike. I also hate to drive from petrol station to petrol station and I'm very bad in maintaining a chain. So ... taking all that in account the logical decision is the BMW R1250GSA. Although I start doubting if I should not have waited for the BMW R1300GSA?
At the moment no one knows when the new big GS will be presented. There are likely some units being tested but how much more time before the launch - hard to tell. Knowing that in many markets GS motorcycles hold their value pretty well, even if you decide to swap it for an upcoming one, it shouldn't be a huge loss anyway.
What about maintenance intervals, Ducati is better. I have owed both the GS and the Adventure great bikes but the BMW engineers engineerd the fun out of the bike.
It looks like you were closing the throttle between gear changes on the multi. They both have quick shifters, but the Ducati’s system is superior. If you have the opportunity, take the multi out for a ride again, but this time keep the throttle pinned open and rapidly move up through the gearbox. 😀👍👍 it’s addictive!
I generally do it on every bike if I'm not using a quickshifter but here in some instances the bike would cut the power on it's own as I'd try to change a gear too late. I do confirm that judging by most riders' experiences, Ducati's quickshifter is mentioned as better more often.
I too have heard about the fuel consumption. On one hand I get it that it hurts, on the other, lots of power requires a lot of fuel and so we're left with the question of how much it matters in motorcycles hence by default they're about fun, right?
Ducati's reliability has been considerably better than BMW's in the past few years and improving, while BMW's is definitely deteriorating. Handling wise, Ducati's leaps and bounds better, including ergonomics. There is a guy here in Florida, who has and makes videos about MST V4 and clearly says, heat is a non issue. As an owner of a MTS 1260 I'd argue that even the V2 is better than the GS, since I picket the V2 while having the opportunity to go with the GS. When I made the switch to MTS 1260, I came from BMW RT, so I'm not brand biased. MTS is just way better than GS. Only real world advantage GS has is the shaft, but it's paired with a dry clutch which I dislike I lot.
Well, I don't know the weight of a drive shaft in a motorcycle but one may always drop a few kg in a month, skip a breakfast or get a lighter, aftermarket exhaust. Not sure I'd really take the weight of a drive shaft under consideration. R1250GS 7-9 kg heavier than a Multistrada, which stands for less than 3% difference. I wouldn't bother I think.
I am very curious about it too. Add a KTM to that and it would be real battle of titans. I intend to make that happen this year once it becomes warm enough to ride where I live. Cheers!
I chose the Ducati V4S. It offers so much more tech which makes for a safer and more relaxed ride. Like most people that own either the Ducati or the GS, mine won’t go off-road very often if ever. I have a KTM 690 enduro which handles that task well. Either the Ducati or the GS handle like pigs when the going gets tough. Im just offering an opinion and I’m sure there are many other opinions just as valid. Thank you for the great video.
Thanks for sharing. If you're coming off of a KTM 690 Enduro then yes, definitely the two big ones wouldn't feel nice for you off the road in comparison. Totally understandable.
@@matthewhaworth5935, fair question. So I’m painting with a broad brush. The multistrada is a pretty complete “package” in my opinion. Besides for the two very big tech items you mentioned which are seriously nice to have I’ll metntion some others. There’s the large digital display which can configure the information in lots of different formats. So I can customize the view the way I like it along with onscreen gps, phone,messages and music. Further, it’s possible to customize the parameters in each of the performance modes. Parameters can also be changed while in motion or turned off completely which is rare. I’ve not encountered this level of customization on any other motorcycles and very few cars. The new valve train allows for very extended service intervals which is in of itself mechanical tech. Further the engine itself producing more horsepower (170) than any other adventure bike could also be considered tech. Semi active suspension also falls into the tech arena. Heated bars, rider seat and passenger seat is also tech. I’m not at all saying that some of these things aren’t available on other brands but to find them all in one place made my decision easy. Lots of folks might say it’s not needed or it’s just more stuff to break. It works for me and so far I’m loving my purchase. Thanks for your question. P.S. I forgot the 6 axis stability control and the quick shift for upshift and downshifts. .
The DUCATI is to occupy so long it is covered from the warranty. Very expensive maintenance and spare parts, not reliable after 4-5 years. The beamer is a bike for older, more mature riders who do not need to prove anything to anyone. If you are after a girl just graduating from high school, buy a DUCATI, if you scope on lady who has longer term perspectives, buy a BMW (just to play word games...)
BM When you are 50 miles west of Upper Cumbucter and you do a chain. Well, did you carry a spare chain? Regardless which bike you choose, after riding 1000 km both feel like you are sitting along a paling fence. You will always get better ride with spoke wheels because the spokes flex. I have ridden BMs for over 60 years. Have had Zundapps, Yamaha YDS 3. Kawasaki H1. Have always gone back to BMs. Even though they are grossly over priced.
Everything is nice about riding a Gs, until you see a Ducati pass by and the only thing you will see is dust when you try to pass back. Ducati gives you the sensation of unlimited power.
Hi V-Told, Between reliability and sportiness I don’t need pondering to say that I would sacrifice the latter. Although Ducati has made in the last few years enormous evolution, it is still a few steps behind BMW at an overall look of comparison.
This may be a good point, yet I myself haven't yet found a reliable (yeah) source of information on what really works for years and what doesn't. There are lots of stories about BMW due to a large number of these bikes sold. There are even more general stories about Ducatis and I myself have experienced some flaws and malfunctions on two bikes that I've ridden. Nothing on BMW though. But looking at statistics and probability, I guess that there may even exist a Range Rover that would not break down at all. So all in all, we may be left mostly wondering about this matter I think. Are there even any reliability reports for motorcycles like there are for cars? No idea...
@@VToldsMotoShow Very well put question. I think that we don’t have that kind of report concerning motorcycles. We in deed should have.👍🏻 Be well my friend✌️✌️
Ducati Manchester can’t even give a warranty on second hand bikes. They said second hand warranty depends on model?? Where BMW approved used bikes get 2 year unlimited mileage warranty whatsoever.
I have my first GS a 2021 Triple Black, and it's the most neural seating, most confortable Bike I ever ridden. This bike can take corners like a Sport Bike, it torques out of coners, and the low center of Gravity does make it handle fantastic. I'm 59 yrs old, and this GS is my 26th motorcycle in my lifetime ,and I'm thinking of keeping this GS.
Thank you for the insights. Having owned 26 motorcycles sounds incredible and I wonder how that's even possible but what matters here is that your recommendation for the GS stands really strong because of that. Thanks for sharing and all the best with your '21 GS!
😜💪👍
If you started at 16 like i did 26 isn't that difficult. I did honda mt-5 1996 then cb125rs 1997 passed test got a kmx200 just to make the most of my licence. Then got a suzuki gs500e as the kmx200 was impractical. Did 59 miles to a tank. And so much 2stroke oil. My dad bought a honda xl250r and never once rode it so I used that and the gs500. Got a xr250r (1997) in 1998 brand new old stock. as I liked the xl250r and wanted my own. Left my job sold the xr250r needed the money. Then bought a kawasaki gpz500s (wanted this rather than the gs500e all along but the gs500 was cheaper) so that's 7 in 2 1/2 years came back to riding in 2011 had another xr250r import (electric start) xr125L 2004 bmw f800gs and a aprilia sx50 motard.
man what a life you had 😊
I'm just new with motorcycles. I OWNED 4 and a scooter in 3 years. Sold my ninja 1000 and r3, bought a Honda cb650r and a GS 1250. So that 6 already and new XMAX scooter thats 7 already within 4 years. Is 26 or 30 bikes in you lifetime is impossible? I don't think so. I am planning to sell my old 2 and buy a Harley cruiser.
Did over 2500 kms tour of Scotland in September with a friend on his Ducati V4s and me on my 1250GS. Very matched bikes. 2 big differences. Vario Luggage on GS much more capacity than Ducati panniers.
Big DIFFERENCE was fuel economy. Even though we rode together at same speeds and together throughout, the V4s was 25% more THIRSTY than the GS1250 at every fuel stop!
Thanks for sharing this and I actually really expected the BMW to be more fuel efficient. I remember the 1150 and 1200 boxers which were really good with saving fuel. Glad to have it confirmed that at least in comparison to others, this still stands.
@@VToldsMotoShow I think a lot of it to do with the Torque, I could leave in 5 or 6 gear for most riding whereas the V4s needed to be dropped to 3 or 4 with much more revs to keep to same speeds as the GS. My friend said he honestly prefers the characteristics of the 1260 engine, his previous bike as he changes the multistrada every year. He also was not a fan of the Pikes Peak version due to over sporty Ohlins for touring and preferred the S models with the electronic suspension. Good to get real opinion of new bikes rather than the paid journalists or influencers who are encouraged to report ‘progress’
Is this surprising ? One is a monster engine putting out 170hp+. The other is a pretty old boxer engine design updates from decades ago.
Bikings not what it used to be ☹️
Thanks for the info thou not surprising really. In Sydney both these bikes in top spec are almost $40,000AUD Ouch! So if you can afford these bikes I don't think fuel economy is an issue for you.
As an older rider (63), i prefer torque, drive-shaft, balancing , anti -diving front suspension and comfort over horse power and sound. I do believe the bmw is better in gas mileage than the Ducati. I can understand that younger riders may prefer the raw power and looks of a Ducati. Both are great bikes however, they do have their price. What’s with the burning left leg? I never had an issue with that or never noticed it. Thank you for a thorough and fair review 👍.
Thanks for sharing your view. I'm glad you liked the video. As for the "burning" left leg when riding the Multistrada V4 S, it's that the engine gets very hot on its left side to the point that the close proximity of a rider's left leg to it causes discomfort. I called that "burning" the leg and perhaps touching the engine (any bike's engine) could literally cause that. Still, here it's the emission of heat on its left side that's not comfortable and unusual.
The Ducati has some nice features but uses a lot of plastic. Engine alone it puts a smile on. But look closely the Pannier attachment points and panniers are junk. I felt the total package lacked the fit and finish compared with the GS.
100% agree try both at 50 mph in top gear to 80 where most of us live and see who is the winner
The anti dive front end let the gs down for me. Little to no front end feed back worried me, I was lucky the bike I rode had crash bars fitted, stop me crashing through losing the front end twice in a fifty mile jaunt. Relying on scaffolding around the bike to keep it shiny side up didn't impress, apparently you get used to it. Being scared to ride a little bit more adventurous scared me in stead of exciting me, you also get the stigma of owning a bmw, just as scary as the front end.
I would like to see the v4 clocking over 60mpg two up full panniers and topbox at just over motorway speeds
1. Nobody takes into account how quickly V4 is reving. It may have lower torque, but the speed it revs up covers for it. You twist the throttle and you are in your peak revs.
2. V4 has a 19" front wheel - only Pikes Peak version has 17"
3. You can get an electric fuel cap for the Multistrada - of course for extra $$$
4. At the end V4 give you an impression on riding a sportsbike due to its engine but in a adventure-comfortable position.
5. Ducati can have navigation on your TFT screen so you don't need extra navigation it is not possible for GS - you need extra BMW naviagator.
Actually the BMW does allow for turn-by-turn navigation in the TFT, using your phone. So you don't have to buy the GPS. I have it because I ride places where there's no cell coverage so the GPS is more reliable
@@Rotor-Sims you can always take the NAV back and exchange it for a new one if it's giving you problems. I had to do that and they just handed me a new one in the box, no questions asked.
I have test ridden both motorcycles and to me the BMW GS just feels more comfortable to ride. It is such a well refined motorcycle. Yes, perhaps the Ducati is faster but that is not the point with an adventure bike. The GS is quick enough for me.
i had a GS and currently own a Multistrada V4 S, both are amazing motorcycles but i have to agree that Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes, it is just so much fun to ride!!
The Multistrada is for people who aren't quite ready to give up sports bikes but still want comfort and tech. As such it's the one I'd have.
Nicely said!
Your explanation of HP and torque and how it feels is very accurate and just what I felt after trying a 2023 V4 Rally vs my own older GS. Most of the time we are not racing...then the higher torque of the GS is way more useful. I didnt manage to ride the V4 in a city in 4th gear at all. it felt like the Ducati loosed breath. With a GS you can ride a city almost everywhere in 4th....and still have quick access to lots power when needed...without shifting gear. The Ducati was in every other aspect a great bike, but I stick with the GS because of just this. When you then also add the great handling of the GS and driveshaft vs oiling and maintaining a chain, fuel economy and the comfort....there should not be any doubt. Im an older rider, a younger may go for the horsepower numbers and looks and maybe the sound... 🙂 KTM? NOT
V4S 125nm vs GS 140nm it's not so big difference...ktm 1290 got the same 140nm as GS
I have a R1250GGS te, has to be the best most versatile bike ever. No sports bike will stick with you on a twisty mountain road, suspension is outstanding and fantastic for touring. Get one you wont look back
No sports bike will stick with you a twisty road? Lol…
@@jerseycitymuaythai4177 not sure what your comment is ?
And I get what you meant about a twisty road and I'm very much convinced that it's exactly on point. I'd add that an inexperienced or simply careful rider could do so much on a twisty road with a GS that it would require a relatively much more experienced or fearless rider on a sports bike to keep up.
@@jerseycitymuaythai4177 I`m with you mate :D
I'm 67 years old. I've owned two BMW's (one RT and one K1200R). I've also owned two Multi's. I have ridden the RT on a 5300 mile tour and must say it was the most uncomfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have ridden the Multistrada on a 7800 mile tour and felt much more comfortable. These tours were done in North America and although both were enjoyable, the longest one on the Multi was more so. The question of shaft vs chain is always a point of conversation. I know that around the 2007 time frame BMW was having problems with blowing rear drives. I have always been of the opinion that yes, shaft drive is much cleaner and much less maintenance intensive than a chain. However, the chain is an easy fix (normally) when you are in the middle of nowhere and your final drive fails; shaft/rear drive not so much. Spare chain is cheap insurance. I suppose you could carry and spare shaft/rear drive but would be pretty expensive. We all pays our money and ride our choices. I like riding a bike that's different and speaks to me (Italian is such a sexy language, LOL). Yes, my wife is Italian too! As the saying goes: DUCATI, there is no substitute!
Thanks for that I was thinking RT as I rode one and loved it but bought the multi which is amazing to ride and the adaptive cruise is awesome awesome awesome…but it’s in shop. Broke down 5000 kms. Never 40 years riding have I been stranded. Yamaha and BMW prior.
I'm turning 30 in about a month and I just got my first GS about 2 months ago. A 2021 1250 Rallye. I'm coming from sport bikes and track days (I did keep the '03 RC51 in the stable, so there is that) but as my fiance has really started enjoying riding pillion over this past year, I needed something more suitable for her to get on the back of and have it really be enjoyable for some planned touring. The Speed Triple RS had accommodations for her, but it just wasn't enjoyable for either of us. I also was trying to consolidate a bit as my number of bikes was getting a little out of hand and wanted a great all around option. I was really considering the V4S as I figured that would be a perfect compromise between my love of speed, sport bikes and riding hard yet still have the passenger accommodations and comfort. However once I went and saw, sat, and rode on each bike I ended up going with the GS. There are certainly pros and cons to each bike, but the GS just felt like more of the complete package and more refined overall, and even though the V4S clearly has it beat in sound, and rowdiness overall... The GS really surprised me in just how quick and sporty it can be rode. The handling is so surprisingly light and agile and the front end surprisingly sharp. As long as you're not trying to lean it over at sport bike angles, it will give you every bit of mid corner sport bike confidence you would ever need for spirited twisty road riding. I have a riding buddy on an '06 GSXR1000 and when we ride the twisties I let him go ahead and I have no issues staying on his tail, though I fancy myself the better rider. Also I preferred the look of the GS, and I thought the overall build quality seemed much better on the GS as well. The Multi just has such a big bulbous mid section and I felt the front end was too short.
Thanks for sharing all this - it was certainly an enjoyable read for me. Now I'd say that you've chosen a very nice gift for yourself the 30th birthday! And as I see, you've considered a lot of factors that ultimately led you to choosing the GS. As you mentioned, V4S has some advantages over it so it's all about what you like the most in a bike and what your preference is. I'm glad that you were able to make your choice, base it on specific areas and that you seem happy with the choice. Some say that there are reasons for so many riders choosing a GS and there's no way to argue with that. I hope that you'll be as happy with the bike as you are as a GS seems to be a great companion for how you like to use it. Especiall hunting that GSXR 1000! Cheers!
The 1260 L twin with race map and full Termi exhaust puts a smile on my face every time I throw a leg over. Not as good on dirt but 80 % on road it’s the perfect weapon.
Oh, that's a lovely combo - proper Ducati's V2 with an aftermarket exhaust is fantastic! Lucky you and it seems like you're not missing anything!
Great honest review of the two bikes! I can’t wait to have a go on the Multistrada!
Thanks, I'm glad you like the review. The Multi is a beast when it comes to performance.
BMW for me for all the reasons you mentioned plus I love the GPS integration and position. I use it all the time on my "adventures". In mixed riding I get 46 US miles/gallon.
reading comments like these makes me realize I ride my gs too fast 😂 I get 38mpg mixed and 40 ish on the freeway
@@frankfeng6199 oh I understand. It's amazing how fast you can go through rear tires too.
Thanks for sharing that info - good points and a pretty decent fuel consumption result too! Good job!
This efficiency is really good almost like some 150cc bike
I own a BMW Triple Black 2022 and a Multi V4, 64 years old and honestly speaking Ducati is better than GS. BMW GS is for old people 😂😂
Hahahaha, I love this one :D
A very analytical vid and I see your point. I am 59 and test rode both the GS and Multi V4 before making my purchase. I bought the Multi V4 because I wanted a bike that was comfortable, well equipped, that could tour, but was also engaging on a local ride and boy that V4 is engaging! Yes the GS has the torque and economy but the Multi V4 has the engagement and exclusivity.
Thank you for sharing. It's an interesting insight into the purchasing process, so thanks for putting some additional light on it. I see where you're coming from with the V4 and right, there can be that performance that's out of GS's range. I'd appreciate this myself and while all that monster torque of a GS is really nice and useful, when it comes to really pushing the engine, it simply lacks the horsepower in the higher end. Cheers!
I had a 2019 Ducati 1260S and now I have a 2021 BMW R1250GSA. No comparison the BMW is much better bike for my intended use. So much more enjoyable to ride 500-700 mile day. I know that my Duc was older but I have no regrets! Oh and if you really want AMAZING Sound???? Buy an Aprilia RSV4 or Tuono! Ive owned both and NOTHING compares!!! I do enjoy that the BMW is very quiet when riding back road.
Thanks for sharing! Also, it's interesting that you mentioned Aprilia motorcycles. They are quite rare in here.
Great review! Subscribed. Just wish you would have touched a little more on reliability and maintenance costs but overall an excellent job. Thank you. 👍🏼
Thanks, I'm happy that you enjoyed. As for running costs and reliability, this requires a conversation with a specific dealer to know their labor rates for example. In terms of reliability on the other hand, this is best verified by long-term owners I think. However, I spent some time with a few Ducatis and BMW over the last years and only one BMW had a little issue and that was F900XR which at some point wouldn't want to start its engine - I'll show it in my review of it next week. While Ducatis: my first ride around 2010 was with a salesperson on a Monster 1100 which they were unable to start for a few minutes - the engine wouldn't engage. Then I rode a Multistrada 1200 after the facelife that wasn't showing fuel level - that was a demo bike too. And then a Diavel that had some clicking noise that likely was caused by a chain. All these bikes were dealers' bikes that would undergo regular inspections. Still 3 flaws vs 1 temporary. I'd say that there may be something to the legendary Ducati issues. But I wouldn't bother and just get the bike that I like and just fix it when it needs it. And new ones are under warranty, so no worries anyway.
What a great review mate! The best i have seen. Keep at it bro!
Thank you and I'm happy that you enjoyed watching. All the best!
The GS is the best selling bike for a reason as most riders eventually come to realise it has all the ingredients to make the perfect do it all recipe. A Ducati for me is a beautiful Italian sports bike in the shape of a Panigale. So my garage only needs a GS and a Panigale to make my biking life perfectly complete : )
Nicely summarized I think - really well! :)
I guess Bmw is always the safest choiche for so many reasons. Though i just bought the V4S because it's so much fun even in difficult road conditions. Moreovere there are too many gs around so it's nice to see something red on the street :)
I totally get the popularity point and I'm convinced that a V4S - especially being a totally new bike - will be more exclusive and sort of exotic. I do like that too actually! All the best with your red beast out there! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow thank you for your video. So much appreciated
@@VToldsMotoShow I have a '18 1200 enduro and even among seasoned motorcyclists, they seem lost on the "enduro" part (no off road history there!). I love it for its engine, sound and profile and is perfect for the crappy roads in commiefornia which will pummel you on a sport bike. For me, fits me like a glove! I'm 6-6 and not a fatty. Even my bother likes it, even though he is perched on a KTM 1190.
I took both for extensive tests rides and bought the BMW. I just bonded with it better. The way it delivers power, the handling and balance, low center-of-gravity, comfort, wind protection, the lighter control feel, it just added up to the better experience for me. I've only put 500 k m on it so far but I absolutely love it. I bought the trophy edition which comes with the sports suspension that is the same as on the GSA so you get an extra 20 MM travel. And the shaft drive pays dividends every minute you ride the bike versus the radar cruise control that you're only going to use a fraction of the time. Also the lack of dive in the front and allows for much better and more confident trail braking into turns.
I personally fully agree with your perspective.
My choice of features: Definitely drive shaft over dead angle !
I hit a deer at 45 mph on my GSA 1250 and the bikes brakes worked great along with the steering damper as did not dump the bike on the road. I give the 1250 10 stars for saving my ass.
Sorry to hear about the situation and great job by you by saving yourself and also by the bike by helping you do that. It sounds like a good score for the bike.
Having owned Italian cars and Italian bikes, everything from Ferrari, Fiat and Lancia, and Aprilias, I’d never ever buy another Italian bike. Secondly, a chain is far more mechanically efficient, but is a total pain in the arse. If you ever go to change your chain cogs yourself, you’ll see what shit gets trapped in the gear housing. Shaft drive may be less efficient, but it saves so many headaches, and you won’t end up wrapped around a tree because you didn’t tension your chain. The telelever again is a massive plus, separating steering, braking and suspension forces is common sense if you’ve ever ridden a K (duolever) or R (telelever) they knock USD forks to the dark ages. Lastly, BMW, in Europe at least have pretty good dealers who (mostly) look after you well. I went into a Ducati dealer once and they wanted a £500 deposit to test ride a bike. That was the same day I put £1k deposit on my first BMW bike. Ducatis look gorgeous, but I’d rather have a reliable, sensible Fraulein, than a fiery, temperamental signorina.
Thank you for showing your point of view and I get it. I also believe that the front suspension of some BMW bikes is superior to the rest, hence giving a lot control and fun even when braking. Same with the shaft drive - it's simply a more advanced solution. They're not lazy designing their bikes. Now... about that Ferrari... of course it caught my attention immediately. Lucky you!
@@VToldsMotoShow Ferrari was almost a different lifetime for me!it was a long time ago, 30+ years. If I’d kept it, it’d have been worth money now, unlike my Aprilia RST1000 Futura…..now that looked like a stealth fighter, but was as reliable as an EU leader! I’ve bought myself a ‘21 plate RT with everything on it, except it has the little top box, not the normal one. It looks like a bloody barbecue on the back! The guy that had the bike put every 719 item on it, ACC, Akrapovic, ram phone mount, crash bars (the rear ones are crap) but didn’t put a proper top box on! What idiot does that? Apparently, he owned a couple of new Porsches, but it seems was too tight to make sure i dont have to pay for one! The dealer has sorted me out, so i’m just waiting for my pension to pay out. The CFO (wife) said i had to wait, no loans, no big deposits, just wait. So 5th November is when i pick it up. You did a great report on the RT which was instrumental in me choosing one.
Im an owner of a 750 gs and I LOVE IT, bmw has always been my dream bikes. i plan on switching to the 1250 GS/GSA i recently started looking at the V4s and it has cool things like the radars, with the blind spot light and the adaptive cruise control and the app conection to show the map on scree. BUT! i think the 1250 gs/gsa still being the king there. I still hope BMW can adapt some of these feautres in the future. :D great video! im still going for the bmw < 3 cheers!
I'm glad that you like the video and I think that BMW will be incorporating those features pretty quickly. We may see it hopefully soon when the new big GS is released. It's going to be hot news for sure, so let's stay tuned. All the best!
Once you go drive shaft, there's no turning back. It's just another level.
20:50 First of all, congratulations for the clear and complete presentation. Finally someone who doesn't speak like a madman and way too fast for non-native English speaking people. That said, you make a point about chain drive versus shaft drive. It may be that initially the Cardan drive offers an advantage in terms of maintenance and costs. However, 2 things: 1) if a Cardan drive gives problems - (which occurs relatively often after 80,000 km) then it is really your turn in terms of costs and misery. 2) I often like to change the transmission ratio by mounting another front sprocket, which is an impossibility with a Cardan drive.
Thanks! And yes, in older bikes with higher mileage, any sort of malfunction due to wear will be more likely and it's more risky buying/keeping such a machine. So I'd say it depends what one is buying and so how risky that is. Ducati isn't known for their reliability and I can confirm the doubts about this topic as I've seen a few dealers' demo bikes with issues while no other manufacturer except from KTM would have demo bikes with any sort of clear issues. I prefer the shaft but could live with a chain and automatic lubrication. Thanks a lot for the input!
V4s for me, (btw. the Multistrada V4 has won the Alpenmasters-2021)
- V4: great quickshifter and blipper, while on the GS the system does not shift gears as smooth
- V4: more modern technology, less maintenance costs / risks and more technology for the money, while BMW is overrated:
- V4: ACC, BlindSpot Detection, great features while travelling in high density areas
- V4: better suspension, GS like a "rocking horse" in mode "road"
- V4: better brakes "Brembo Stylema" in front , while BMW mounts "Hayes Brakes"
- V4: 60.000km intervall large service, while GS must be checked by the dealer every 10.000km
- V4: 2 years or 15tkm intervall to change the engine oil, while intervall of the GS is every year
- no exhaust flap on the Ducati, while the exhaust flap on the GS is very expensive to change, when the GS is out of warranty
- ABS on the Ducati is self venting, while the GS has a big issue with the brake pedal (rear brake and air in the system) since 1200LC, must be vented by the dealer every 3.000km
- Leakage issues on the 20-year old, small 305-brakes on the GS. (selling GS in the U.S. must be stopped, due to this low pressure leakage)
- GS with issues on the "maintenance free" cardan, cardan sleeve leaks and rust develops. Very expensive repairing (3000€), and not easy to avoid or inspect .
- GS with issues on the emergency call system, discharges the battery quick. Currently EC deactivated by the dealer as a workaround
- V4: "DOT4" for clutch & brake, while GS uses a super-special fluid for clutch (rare, expensive)
- V4: standard fork oil, while GS uses not easy to buy / mix viscosity (can be bought at the BMW dealer)
- tbc.
Quick facts check: BMW no longer mounts "Hayes" brakes. I also find it hard to believe that Ducati would be cheaper to run in terms of maintenance. Other points are to be verified by long-term GS owners.
@@VToldsMotoShow believe it or not: Ducati Multistrada V4: no belts, no tension rollers, no desmo-service. Just engine-oil/filter and some brake fluid every 2 years; spark plugs, valve clearance check every 60.000km while BMW charges you year by year for oil, valve-clearance-checks etc . Btw: Take a look at this video, how expensive the not-serviceable ESA-shocks (front/rear) of the BMW are and we are not talking about the exhaust-flap or drive-shaft risks. The fuel consumption of the ducati will be overcompansated by the good mechanic-design of the motorcycle. A masterpiece of Ducati instead of marketing-motorcycle "GS" ua-cam.com/video/oOzBC_F6y2E/v-deo.html
You forgot the V4 engine recalls over valve issues. And the large service for a GS is every 20000km and costs about 400 euro's because the valves are easy accessible. Same on the KTM is about 1200 euro, so I guess on the Ducati it will be more. Love them both and each has it's pro and cons.
@@kristofdevlamynck4786 How many riders of GS or Ducati will see 60.000km? Most GS will be sold and or replaced with mileage of 20-40tkm, having already annual service paid and the valve-check service too, while the Multi-Rider has only engine-oil changed, small service. Btw. The engine recall had the BMW S1000 too, same manufacturer of the valves and change of cyclinder-head on the BMW S1000 was necessary and no give-aways were presented by BMW, while Ducati was generous. But we are not talking about recalls, in that battle, BMW-Motorcycle is not the best vendor in the past 10 years. The fuel-pump and the pivot-pin recall was unbelievable. High-risk to loose control and crash while riding single-sided swing-arm BMWs, if not checked while recall-actitivity. Take a look here, as there was for a couple of riders the GS a "near-death-experience". bmwfatalflaw.com/ Keep in mind, what the costs of the not-serviceable ESA-shocks or the Exhaust-Flap could be, when the motorcycle is out of warranty. I can not recommend to buy a BMW GS without warranty.
Don't tell to clueless BMW fanboys ;-)...
Great comparison! Thanks!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad you liked it!
I own both bikes. I have a Multistrada V4 in the UK, but spend several months a year in New Zealand where I have a GS.
I chose the BMW in NZ because the Ducati dealerships are thin on the ground, the BM survives being dropped on gravel roads better and a shaft is low maintenance.
I will keep this short.
Both bikes are equally as comfortable. Both bikes make excellent tourers. However, they are very different.
The BM is very easy to ride, almost like a scooter.. I can see why so many people love them. But for me it lacks excitement. It can be ridden fast on mountain roads, but that is not what it does best.
The Multistrada is definitely more motorcycle than scooter and loves mountain roads.
Although expensive, I have the full race Akropovic exhaust on the Multistrada which sounds wonderful. I would pay the same for a system on the BM if it made it quieter. The exhaust note is so bad.
For me, the BMW does a job and does it well in a workman like fashion with no fuss.
The Multistrada goes about things with a little more fuss, but with massive attitude. it is without doubt the fun bike.
If I was setting off around the world, I would choose the BMW. For a tour round Europe or a fun blast...the Multistrada every time.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with both bikes. I think I see the point and until BMW improves that clunky boxer that works super hard to dynamically propel the bike, the GS won't be giving as much excitement and a sporty feel as it might deserve thanks to its handling. All the best with both bikes!
Just bought a BMW R1250 GSA 2022 Triple Black. It is sitting off the cost in a shipping container. So it maybe a while before I get to ride it. I have test ridden the demo bike on a bike day and can say it was better than the reviews. I traded my Ducati for it. FYI - the Ducati is easily found but the GSA is rare.
Congrats on the GSA! Hopefully it gets to you soon. Here in Southern California I see GSA's everywhere, it's like everyone and their mom has one 😂
Hopefully it will come soon. Depending on where you live too as in central Europe for example - which is where I am now - it's becoming cold now and soon there will be the end of riding for all of us here. So there wouldn't be much use for a new bike now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're in some place where you can ride all year round and get your GS as soon as possible.
Yes, I agree cold winter riding is not as fun, but I live in the south east of USA. So I should be good. 🤗
A GSA is rare?
@@johnshelby7973 Most things are hard to get now days with the supply issues.
Have been riding BMW's shaft bikes since 1995. 500,000 Kilometres later, my impression is: it's never about the absolute performance, except when doing track days, even then BMW's handling and braking make stability dominate alongside others, ease of riding really matters. Cost of ownership is relatively low, as the BMW's have only minor servicing costs, and each of my BMW's have lasted very close to 300K, few Japanese and English will have any hope of seeing this. I only traded up (gave away old) when reliability was starting to be compromised. Australia is too big to get stuck in! Think 300km between fuel stations, you might start to understand. Parts used on K1100 was one clutch, cam chain/guides, rear wheel bearing in 290,000km. Let's see others doing this. Currently R1200 RT, has 35,000km on it. Would be 75,000 except for Covid19 stoppages. For me shafts are for real distance travelling. Also rode GSX-R 1000 for a second bike for 2 years, fast, uncomfortable but license loser! Fuel efficiency, R1200, 640 km on a full 98 tank at 95km/hr. At 115 km/hr, range is 450 km.
I'm 61 and have had 4 bikes over 40 years. At the end of the day I got the 1250 GSA. There is a reason this is the bike all other manufurers compete with. I was concerned with the range of the multi. Would have liked the radar but can live without it. I want to ride from Arizona to Alaska, I can see doing it on the BMW but not the multi. For raw power, I have a vrod with a racing motor that is 100% raw and visceral, but I appreciate the refined nature of the GSA.
Thanks to help me easier making decision. Right now, my choice is 2023 R1250gsa. Even I am just 5'9. Actually, in june promotion, here in Thailand V4S is 25% discount with free 1st class insurance.
Fuel consumption
V4s 14 KM/L
1250GSA 20 KM/L
Wanted to get away from my GSA; rode the other two extensiveLY but kept the GSA. I have other Ducati & ktm in my garage so I’m no ‘brand man’. The gs composure, torque and presence wins for me.
Thanks for sharing and damn, having the 3 of those could be a real dream come true!
Very good, detailed review. Subscribed.
Thanks and I'm glad that you liked it. Cheers!
I reckon the new triumph 1200 would be a beautiful mix of the v4s and GS1250 (fingers crossed)
I wonder about that but likely it may some good features of one and another. Triumph really has a chance to nail it here.
Both are perfect bikes. It all comes down to personal choice. I'll take the Ducati any time of the day. Riding with jeans, you will feel the heat in the summer riding in the city. For me it was never a big deal with proper riding pants. The v4 has two radiators in the front vs one on the older V2s and it should defletd hot air away from your legs. I have yet to test drive one and see how it compares to mine.
KTM MIGHT give that nimble GS slow-speed handling feel now, as the new fuel tanks are low-mounted. Multi is thirsty, reportedly gets 30-35 MPG vs about 35-45 MPG for both the GS and the KTM 1290 motors. I'd like to see the KTM Super Adventure S against the Multi as the sporty side of two-up touring is my preference. I haven't seen any of several video commentators--Bike World--etc, say they would take the Ducati over the KTM. Mostly pro-KTM. The KTM seemed as sporty in feel to the Ducati, while providing some GS competency as tourer.
Very interesting points about the KTM. Made me wonder even more. Also, a new Triumph Explorer 1200 is coming, so the competition will get tougher one again here.
I have a GS Adventure 2021 40 Anniversary Edition. And it is the best bike I ever rode... period. Traveling easily 600km to 800km a day and arriving still able to go to dinner and even party a little. Bigger fuel tank is a real blessing and just the overall comfort and safety are amazing. Definitely a keeper.
Sounds like a good recommendation. Thanks for sharing!
Great video, and I do love my R1250GSA for all the reasons you mentioned. If you want to ride another bike that offers similar handling and nimbleness, a surprising choice is actually the Kawasaki Versys 650LT. It’s an amazing offering that, in my opinion, steals a lot of its ergos from the BMW RT. That combined with its light weight and tall compliant suspension makes for a crazy-good riding experience.
Interesting is what you mentioned about the Kawasaki Versys. Although a much smaller motorcycle, it's still not easy to build one that feels light and is nimble. I wonder whether it wouldn't be matched more closely with BMW F850GS.
@Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE
An amazing review. Thanks for that. As for the bikes, the drive shaft vs radars IS a major consideration, in my opinion. Having worry-free drive is great. But I can't dismiss the importance of blind corner spotting for a bike. Safety > Maintenance surely? I think it is a more possible scenario for BMW to add blind spot radar, than Ducati switching to a drive shaft. If GS gets that, in my mind, will be VERY tough to beat.
Thanks for the comment, Yiannos! I'm glad that you like the review. I agree with you that is should be a much easier for BMW to get the rear radar than to develop a drive shaft for Ducati. What's interesting is that Triumph showed us their new Tiger 1200 with a drive shaft and with a rear radar, so they've combined the two features. It seems to be more expensive than the GS, which is a bit surprising, but it will be interesting to find out what it's like. Cheers!
My BMW shaft drive self destructed in Morocco 2 weeks after a BMW service. BMW Morocco could not fix it so I had to freight the bike to Spain for repair. I've never had a shaft drive since then.
If basic chain maintenance is too messy or too much effort, perhaps motorcycling is not for you.
@@richardtarr9767 I've had chain bikes for a long time, and its universally known that they are a bit more demanding on maintenance than shaft. Not a dealbreaker, but a nice-to-have. If your bike broke, and you can't accept the fact that ALL machines may break, then maybe motorcycling or using machines in general is not for YOU.
@@YiannosG You missed my point and of course I accept that machines break and so I mitigate the risk by getting mechanicals as simple and foolproof as possible.
After 57 years of biking, there's nothing I've encountered that's made me feel that it's not for me.
Are you from Greece? If so, whereabouts?
@@richardtarr9767 Well. To say that biking is not for one because they prefer shaft over chain was a bit heavy handed, don't you think? I am from Greece, indeed. From Thessaloniki
Either GS or XR. The Multistrada is obviously excellent but finding a dealership/ service isnt stellar. The XR does road touring. The GS does adventure touring. If the Ducati did a better mix of both it would be tempting. GS shaft drive is just infinitely better. GS all day
Interesting as I heard that about Ducati dealers network before too. I wonder why it's that exactly (can be multiple reasons like dealers margin on a single sale or just not enough customers for example) and also how it compares to KTM's.
Awesome review, thank you!
Thanks a lot and I'm glad you found it fine.
I'm 35 and I rode my friend's 1250gs through central europe intensively for a week and I fell in love ♥️. Try it before you say it's for old men. I'm getting one!
I tried it... It's for old men! And women...
Great comparison, I will share your vid link from Facebook!
Thanks, I'm glad you like the video, and thanks a lot for sharing! I hope it's as helpful as possible.
In the end ... you will buy a R 1250 GS. But yeah ... test the others :) for a year ... maybe two. Drive the KTM, The Ducati ... The Honda ... whatever ... it is just a Jouney, ending on a R 1250 GS ^^
GS1250 every time , drive shaft for sure. If i want a bike with super-bike acceleration ill buy a super-bike
Jak zawsze super się ogląda👌 ale nie odpuszczę ci KTMa 😁 czekam z niecierpliwością.
Dzięki i cieszę się, że się podoba ;). Rzeczywiście teraz pomału staję się zdeterminowany, aby zapoznać się bliżej z KTM, choćby w jakimś innym miejscu. Najlepszego!
KTM unreliable! Horrible costumer service. No extended warranty in the UK and a KILLER depreciation! No thank you. Unless it’s a 690.
@@VToldsMotoShow nobody is testing KTM 1290 SAS vs Ducati Multistrada V4S. Both ar e tested against BMW. But the BMW seems will change to R1300GS next year.
I have the V4 engine and the shaft drive in the lakes of a Honda VF our 1200 x cross tour along with incredible reliability very stable fast enjoyable bike cheers everybody oh yeah by the way I’ve had sevenGS is I love them all……
2020 gs1250 with rally version. Best bike ever. Exhaust sounds just fine. Not a good reason not to buy a bike. Heat coming off a V4-very good reason not to buy. Over all the gs is awesome. You would never regret it.
I guess that's why so many actually choose them and stay with for years just replacing with a newer model with time. Thanks for sharing!
For me BMW
So the bestseller chosen once again - thanks for the vote!
My preference is shaft drive rather than a radar system. 🙋🏻♂️
Yay, another vote for the drive shaft! Thanks for choosing!
Great review as ever 👏🏻 I have a 18 plate Ducati Multi 1260s and a 18 plate KTM 1290 SAs which I have done 44k miles on. I love her but she is not well 🤧 so I have ordered a BMW 1250 GS TE Rallye which I hopefully get this week… 🙏🏼 I’m going to miss the 1290’s engine I know this but the front end handling of the GS is Voodoo!!! It’s sooooo good!!! Anyway thanks again for the videos and keep it up 👍🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks! What's up with your KTM? I hope you'll be happy with the new GS!
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi, my KTM has started with electronic suspension issues 🤦♂️ she has been fantastic for 44k miles so I’m not complaining at all she has done me proud.
Very excited for the GS we hired 2 in Spain 🇪🇸 last year for a week 👌🏻
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi pal, the GS is incredible… I got last Monday and did 450 miles in 2 days so I could get her first service on Friday… 🤭 which meant full power 🤭✊🏻 totally in love already 👍🏻 hope you are well. 👍🏻
I'm an GS owner since 2008, I'm on my third GS. In 2023 i tried the Multi strada for the first time and i'm very sad to admit, i preferred it and ordered it. Sorry BMW, you've been kind to me but i just fall in Love with the Ducati.
Great rewiew 👍👀 thank you 👍
Thanks and I'm glad that you enjoyed. All the best!
You're really good at comparing bikes. When the 1300GS comes out next year, please compare it to the new Tiger 1200s. Other channels will start off comparing the 1300GS to the outgoing 1250GS, but a much more interesting comparison will be with it's current rivals, not it's previous generation. I've got your channel "belled" for new video alerts so I'll be looking forward to that. Thanks.
Thanks for your feedback, Craig. When the new GS will come, I also think that it will be crucial to put it against other new options on the market. Differences comparing to the current model may be sneaked through at the same time. All the best and thanks for the hint. Cheers!
I love how people want to talk about "fuel economy" on bikes that cost over $40k after tax, tag, title, dealer fees, ect. If you can buy a $40k bike, than you shouldn't care about MPG.
Somehow I think the same and at least on a bike I'd like to not have to care that much. On the other hand, if some cars start consuming less than a motorcycle, it too makes me wonder what's up. But still, it's not always the point. To me joy and ease of riding matter.
@@VToldsMotoShow sure there are cars that get better fuel economy than my V4S, but no car that gets better fuel economy has better performance. Cars that can perform like the V4S get in the neighborhood of 8-12 mpg.
Thanks for the video, it is great, I love your comments and the way you expose them.
Difficult topic, difficult choice, as long as both bikes -and some others too- are really awesome. The competence is tough, very tough. KTM is worth trying, but consider also the poor service that you get from the brand once you have bought the bike, at least in Spain -I had three, and this topic was a nightmare-
Consider also other options, not so powerful but also very good bikes, like the Honda Africa Twin ATAS 1100. Maybe not so explosive, but frankly comfortable and performant for the use that 90% rider are going to give to big trail bikes.
Regarding the GS, the only thing that pulls me back from buying it is the tele lever front suspension system, sorry, but can't cope with it.
Thanks again for your review, V-Told, keep on posting, please...
Thank you for providing your point of view and I'm glad that you like the video! Good point about KTM as I've experienced myself that the brand has some issues with its importers/dealers/whoever they have who is selling and servicing their bikes. Totally not up to the standard of other manufacturers. It's interesting what you mentioned about the Honda Africa Twin. I'm quite interested now and will likely give it a try next year if there's a chance to get my hands and butt on it. All the best to you!
I would be interested in hearing your comparison of the r1250gs Vs the new tiger 1200gt pro. I have tested them both in the last few weeks and was disappointed with the torque of the tiger below 5000rpm
Agreed the new tiger just doesn’t have the kick of the GS.. other than that it was a great bike. Not fer me tho.
That's a very interesting topic. The new Tiger is on my list as it looks like a potentially strong contender. Your feedback on it made me even more curious. Thanks for the hint and yes, it's a plan to check it deeply soon.
I have a GS 1250r 2022 I road both the bike for me GS because of its smooth power delivery without any vibrations even over 150 kmph
Smooth power delivery - likely yeah but vibration? I’d rather position it on the more “vibey” side myself. That would be one of the things that I’m not the biggest fan of.
@@VToldsMotoShow try without riding gloves.
Personally I love the sound the boxer engine! Definitely much better than my screaming Bmw 850 gsa! LOL
One thing has to be said - once you hear it, you know that it's a boxer-powered BMW coming.
Ditto my f 750gs.. boxer is quiet and not pouring out heat
Mentioning expensive bikes without standard equipment, the Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak won't even include grip warmers at it's "base" price of $29k. Ridiculous.
Yeah, that's right. They do require us to pay for almost anything extra and I don't really like that. I can understand that in order to lower the base prices, manufacturers offer their products without certain things for us to be able to get a bike and not have to pay for things that we don't want or need, but still, it would be nice to get something extra (on the other hand - damn, maybe we are actually getting something extra already?!).
Anyone who rides their bikes farther than the local Starbucks knows that shaft drive is the king. As an Africa Twin owner that is one of the two things that I always envy on long journeys. The other is fuel consumption. If you ride fast at around 200kph the gs consumes about 6.5 litres while Africa goes over 10. Result. 4 times more fuel stops. Same would happen with the Multi.
Answer to your question: I prefer the shaft drive with the radar.
200 kph sounds a bit fast even for a GS. If it would be capable of keeping the fuel consumption at 6.5 liters per 100 and not 50 kilometers, that would be a dream. Thanks for feedback on the preference of a shaft vs the radar. Cheers!
You should add cost of ownership. Ducati has much wider major service intervals. Valve clearance checks are 37,000 miles vs the GS’s 12,000 miles.
That could be helpful yet would still differ country by country, region by region and dealer by dealer as prices are simply not matched and in the end of the day I believe that one simply needs to check what it would be like in their specific location.
Driveshaft and handling, so GS for me.
Thanks for the vote!
I just bought the 1250 GS Adventure instead of Multistrada. I love my Panigale but heat and reliabilty are an issue…so it stays on the track…i need comfort/quality for everything else
Interesting feedback - thanks for sharing. I wonder how those V4-based models will stand in terms of reliability nowadays.
@@VToldsMotoShow I feel the reliabilty criticism, whether deserved or not, requires Ducati to take an aggressive countermeasure….longer warranties, for ex. No one is incentivized to risk reliability far from home, so that just kills Ducati on a touring bike.
There’s no way a GS hangs with any Multistrada in the twisties. You can’t base road characteristics on just parking lots and highways.
How it moves at the lowest and highest speeds tells you a lot about the bike as these are the most extreme speed conditions, aren't they?
No one ever mentions the gs single sided swing arm 😍
Shaft Drive vs Chain too.. The new Multistrada v4 Pikes Peak is also single side swing arm.
Ninja 1000sx owner here, wanted the GS but I’m in my 32 and didn’t have the money for it. I still consider it my ultimate bike though
1000SX can be a cool bike!
People who go on about engine torque on a combustion engine usually don't understand it properly, because it's almost entirely irrelevant. Engine torque is a static measurement that has nothing to do with acceleration. What accelerates a bike is torque at the REAR WHEEL, not at the engine. Granted, if both bikes were to crack open the throttle at 6000 rpm whilst travelling at exactly the same speed, the BMW would initially accelerate faster, but that's a entirely contrived situation that never occurs in reality. Why would you be at those revs at that speed on the Ducati? What would be the point? That's why bikes have a gearbox! Just be one gear lower and the Ducati will have considerably more torque at the rear wheel than the BMW does and so will accelerate out of a corner or overtake much faster.
Have owned a MS. Would likely pick the GS. I actually own the BMW XR, I don't go off road and I love it!
Thanks for sharing. On might say that you've tried the top of the top in the category so far - nice!
Don't those drive shafts corode heavily with a potential or snapping in half?
fun review! i ride a 2020 multi enduro. love the highway, hate the city. every time i think about switching to a smaller bike, i twist the throttle and the acceleration jolt says....forgit bout it.
I'm glad you like the video and it's great with motorcycles when they are able to give us something that excites us. Very much appreciated. I also get enjoy the performance side a lot.
Great content
Thanks!
I’ve been eyeing the GS! This is very informative. Now tell me how to get the money for the bike without giving up my 14r! 😆
I could have got one on a PCP but things seem to be getting tight with the cost of everything going up. Dreading filing up my mondeo with a full tank of v-power the next time.
I'm glad you liked the review! Well, you're not alone wondering how get to that point ;)
An element where the reviews hardly talk about is the reliability. how often do you need to go for repair. nothing is more annoying and kills your joy of driving then the malfunctioning of your bike. I drove a Honda Pan for 10 years and it never went to the shop beside the regular maintenance. What is your experience with those bikes: the GS, the KTM, the multistrada, the V-strom, harley Panam ...
The trustworthy source of reliability is only the manufacturers' data and their services that collect that data. They're able to assess if certain malfunctions are caused by users or not as well - which users usually cannot judge themselves. This would be the only place that I'd look for. I know that for cars there are some reports published but I'm not sure I've ever seen any for motorcycles. That's actually an interesting case.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks for your reply ... much appreciated. However 50% of the reviews are based on pure facts but 50% is based on subjective interpretation. if someone loves or hate the looks or the sound of the motorcycle is subjective ... and I like those subjective elements. another example of subjectivity or based personal experiences is how smoothly the Quick shifter works ... some thinks it is briljant others think it is one of the minor points of ghe Gs. So I don't have problem with personal experience. Even more in case of malfunctions (and I'm not talking about malfunctions due to accidents) if it is the mistake of the drivers it says something about how "idiot-proof" a bycicle is. coming back on those accidents it would also be interesting to have some input in case of adventurebikes how easily they are damaged in case you fall during off road. I think you mentioned it in one of your reviews. I'm also not convinced that manufacturers would publish how many technical issues they needed to solve. Not really good publicity. Anyway I ordered a GSA 1250 that I will have end of April and I'm so looking forward to it. Your reviews and aldo the one from Matt adventure have convinced me. Continue you very good reviews and in the same style. I like them very much. BR Luc
At my age (58) I don't need a super fast bike but a reliable, comfortable and strong bike. I also hate to drive from petrol station to petrol station and I'm very bad in maintaining a chain.
So ... taking all that in account the logical decision is the BMW R1250GSA. Although I start doubting if I should not have waited for the BMW R1300GSA?
At the moment no one knows when the new big GS will be presented. There are likely some units being tested but how much more time before the launch - hard to tell. Knowing that in many markets GS motorcycles hold their value pretty well, even if you decide to swap it for an upcoming one, it shouldn't be a huge loss anyway.
great review, thanks.
You're welcome!
What about maintenance intervals, Ducati is better. I have owed both the GS and the Adventure great bikes but the BMW engineers engineerd the fun out of the bike.
Haha, nicely said. Which part do you mean?
If it is sound why not get some cardboard to slap on the spokes and a Coke bottle to improve the the echo.
Sir, you may be about to win a "comment of the week" award very soon. Nice one!
It looks like you were closing the throttle between gear changes on the multi.
They both have quick shifters, but the Ducati’s system is superior. If you have the opportunity, take the multi out for a ride again, but this time keep the throttle pinned open and rapidly move up through the gearbox. 😀👍👍 it’s addictive!
I generally do it on every bike if I'm not using a quickshifter but here in some instances the bike would cut the power on it's own as I'd try to change a gear too late. I do confirm that judging by most riders' experiences, Ducati's quickshifter is mentioned as better more often.
One thing I dislike of the Multistrada is the fuel consumption it’s outrageous high. Makes riding the bike with a huge regret to have bought it.
I too have heard about the fuel consumption. On one hand I get it that it hurts, on the other, lots of power requires a lot of fuel and so we're left with the question of how much it matters in motorcycles hence by default they're about fun, right?
You are such a GS fanboy, and I agree with you 😄
I simply appreciate things that have been done right :). Cheers!
Ducati's reliability has been considerably better than BMW's in the past few years and improving, while BMW's is definitely deteriorating. Handling wise, Ducati's leaps and bounds better, including ergonomics. There is a guy here in Florida, who has and makes videos about MST V4 and clearly says, heat is a non issue. As an owner of a MTS 1260 I'd argue that even the V2 is better than the GS, since I picket the V2 while having the opportunity to go with the GS. When I made the switch to MTS 1260, I came from BMW RT, so I'm not brand biased. MTS is just way better than GS. Only real world advantage GS has is the shaft, but it's paired with a dry clutch which I dislike I lot.
Many avoid driveshafts because they are very heavy. Multistrada is too sporty to have a heavy driveshaft.
Well, I don't know the weight of a drive shaft in a motorcycle but one may always drop a few kg in a month, skip a breakfast or get a lighter, aftermarket exhaust. Not sure I'd really take the weight of a drive shaft under consideration. R1250GS 7-9 kg heavier than a Multistrada, which stands for less than 3% difference. I wouldn't bother I think.
...but both bikes weigh pretty much the same here.
Great explanation, very in detail. Thumb up. For those interested in the BMW GS, have one, I rode it. Check my test ride. :)
Would love for you to compare the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT - seems like it would win.
I am very curious about it too. Add a KTM to that and it would be real battle of titans. I intend to make that happen this year once it becomes warm enough to ride where I live. Cheers!
I chose the Ducati V4S. It offers so much more tech which makes for a safer and more relaxed ride. Like most people that own either the Ducati or the GS, mine won’t go off-road very often if ever. I have a KTM 690 enduro which handles that task well. Either the Ducati or the GS handle like pigs when the going gets tough. Im just offering an opinion and I’m sure there are many other opinions just as valid. Thank you for the great video.
Other than adaptive cruise and blindspot monitoring what would you consider so much more tech?
Thanks for sharing. If you're coming off of a KTM 690 Enduro then yes, definitely the two big ones wouldn't feel nice for you off the road in comparison. Totally understandable.
@@matthewhaworth5935, fair question. So I’m painting with a broad brush. The multistrada is a pretty complete “package” in my opinion. Besides for the two very big tech items you mentioned which are seriously nice to have I’ll metntion some others. There’s the large digital display which can configure the information in lots of different formats. So I can customize the view the way I like it along with onscreen gps, phone,messages and music. Further, it’s possible to customize the parameters in each of the performance modes. Parameters can also be changed while in motion or turned off completely which is rare. I’ve not encountered this level of customization on any other motorcycles and very few cars. The new valve train allows for very extended service intervals which is in of itself mechanical tech. Further the engine itself producing more horsepower (170) than any other adventure bike could also be considered tech. Semi active suspension also falls into the tech arena. Heated bars, rider seat and passenger seat is also tech. I’m not at all saying that some of these things aren’t available on other brands but to find them all in one place made my decision easy. Lots of folks might say it’s not needed or it’s just more stuff to break. It works for me and so far I’m loving my purchase. Thanks for your question.
P.S. I forgot the 6 axis stability control and the quick shift for upshift and downshifts. .
I preferred a drive shaft. 😁
The DUCATI is to occupy so long it is covered from the warranty. Very expensive maintenance and spare parts, not reliable after 4-5 years. The beamer is a bike for older, more mature riders who do not need to prove anything to anyone. If you are after a girl just graduating from high school, buy a DUCATI, if you scope on lady who has longer term perspectives, buy a BMW (just to play word games...)
Hahaha, very nicely said!
Compare two bikes and then insinuate to get KTM? Would be nice to hear YOUR choice having ridden both.
I'm hoping that I'll be able to further address this after inviting a KTM for a date.
BM When you are 50 miles west of Upper Cumbucter and you do a chain. Well, did you carry a spare chain? Regardless which bike you choose, after riding 1000 km both feel like you are sitting along a paling fence. You will always get better ride with spoke wheels because the spokes flex. I have ridden BMs for over 60 years. Have had Zundapps, Yamaha YDS 3. Kawasaki H1. Have always gone back to BMs. Even though they are grossly over priced.
Thanks for the feedback. I tend to agree on the 1000 km journey's effects on one's bum. Also, I'm happy to hear that you seem to enjoy BMs. Cheers!
I really love your bike information
Thanks, I'm glad that you like it. I hope it's as useful as possible.
@@VToldsMotoShow dear what's your good name
@@VToldsMotoShow your paraphrase is well and very experienced
Everything is nice about riding a Gs, until you see a Ducati pass by and the only thing you will see is dust when you try to pass back. Ducati gives you the sensation of unlimited power.
Yeah, it may give that sensation until you hit a red line which happens way too quickly due to short gearing.
I love my 2019 GS. I agree that the Ducati would be better compared to the S1000XR not the GS. We ride torque not HP.....
Hopefully even today there will be a full honest review & comparion published here. Those two are super closely matched.
Hi V-Told,
Between reliability and sportiness I don’t need pondering to say that I would sacrifice the latter.
Although Ducati has made in the last few years enormous evolution, it is still a few steps behind BMW at an overall look of comparison.
This may be a good point, yet I myself haven't yet found a reliable (yeah) source of information on what really works for years and what doesn't. There are lots of stories about BMW due to a large number of these bikes sold. There are even more general stories about Ducatis and I myself have experienced some flaws and malfunctions on two bikes that I've ridden. Nothing on BMW though. But looking at statistics and probability, I guess that there may even exist a Range Rover that would not break down at all. So all in all, we may be left mostly wondering about this matter I think. Are there even any reliability reports for motorcycles like there are for cars? No idea...
@@VToldsMotoShow Very well put question. I think that we don’t have that kind of report concerning motorcycles. We in deed should have.👍🏻
Be well my friend✌️✌️
Ducati Manchester can’t even give a warranty on second hand bikes. They said second hand warranty depends on model??
Where BMW approved used bikes get 2 year unlimited mileage warranty whatsoever.
Well, dealerships and their policies... Automotive industry is really not the best in terms of being reliable and consistent.
If you are really more for offroading, I guess that chain drive is the only option.
And I'd say that I don't see why that would have to be the case.
@@VToldsMotoShow That certainly doesn't have to be the case, but it's practically impossible to change the transmission ratio if not chain driven.