Adventure heavyweights rated! Adventure top dogs on- and off-road ft TT-winner James Hillier | MCN

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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    Sports Editor Michael Guy is joined by Chief Road Tester Michael Neeves and Isle of Man TT winner James Hillier to find the best big adventure bike on the market today. Watch the video now and find out more on each bike below.
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  • @jameshillierracing
    @jameshillierracing 11 місяців тому +221

    Thanks for having me on the test, was good fun getting to ride at sweet lamb. A Great venue with a little bit of everything for these adventure bikes.

    • @Gorbyrev
      @Gorbyrev 11 місяців тому +6

      Privilege to watch you choosing your lines and muscling these big bikes through the stuff most of us adventure riders are too chicken to try! Great riding Mr Hillier.

    • @gadjules7334
      @gadjules7334 11 місяців тому +2

      I'd be happy with 10 percent of your skill off road. Thanks for sharing, awesome to watch chap

    • @ogasi1798
      @ogasi1798 11 місяців тому +2

      thanks for doing it - brilliant job fella, brilliant

    • @almightyhimself9284
      @almightyhimself9284 11 місяців тому

      james, grow a pair of real balls nd stop this british bias !

    • @horse5407
      @horse5407 11 місяців тому

      Enjoyed that very much.

  • @LambChopRides
    @LambChopRides 11 місяців тому +266

    Now that's an Adventure Bike test!! 👏

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  11 місяців тому +3

      👍🏼👍🏼🏁🏁

    • @BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
      @BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 11 місяців тому +8

      Would be interested to see you, TMF, TeapotOne and Gregg do a group test on these.

    • @jonpeters5194
      @jonpeters5194 11 місяців тому +5

      Roll the Intro!

    • @AndersPetersson79
      @AndersPetersson79 11 місяців тому +1

      Chops!! 😎

    • @MOTOUK1
      @MOTOUK1 11 місяців тому +12

      @@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOneI know the results, TMF, BMW - LCR, Ducati - Vida, Africa twin - Teapot One, BMW 😂😂😂

  • @DJAguitars
    @DJAguitars 11 місяців тому +131

    Would love to see the midweights reviewed in exactly the same format with the Africa Twin also there as the wildcard. Great job MCN! 👍

    • @lukeadv
      @lukeadv 11 місяців тому +5

      Yes to this, would be great

    • @babyfknblu
      @babyfknblu 11 місяців тому +3

      yes!!!

    • @scottstansbury1409
      @scottstansbury1409 11 місяців тому +2

      Me too, I chose the 2023 triumph tiger 900 rally pro

    • @aaronkelley6335
      @aaronkelley6335 11 місяців тому +6

      Yeah would have loved to see the Africa Twin in this. Kinda wild the Japanese bikes are an afterthought in this category.

    • @defylifeadventure
      @defylifeadventure 11 місяців тому +3

      The Africa twin certainly isn't a middle weight by any definition. It's well over 1000c, and over 230kg. It's not quite up to capacity or power of these beasts either. It seems to occupy some ground in no-mans-land but is better suited to the heavyweights, rather middleweights. IIRC Upshift Online tested it around a track (off road) and it was some 7 seconds slower than a KTM 990 Adventure. The 790 Adventure was faster still, so the AT wouldn't fair well in mini time trial they do here. Would still be fun to see though.

  • @johnwaugh6518
    @johnwaugh6518 11 місяців тому +60

    As biased KTM1290 SAR rider, the comment I would make is that most adventure riders will find the tarmac parts easier than the off road/gravel road bits. It's here that the added confidence that the KTM gives makes all the difference and reduces stress, making real adventure riding more of a pleasure.

    • @sloppyjoe6243
      @sloppyjoe6243 11 місяців тому +3

      Agreed 100%. I havn't ridden adventure, but have done a ton of dirt bike and street riding. The off road portion would be my number one priority if I was serious about adventure riding. Picking up a 550 plus pound bike off the side of a dirt road could get real old real fast.

    • @red.riot.2280
      @red.riot.2280 11 місяців тому +4

      Their complaints would have been fixed with the stock S model…. I get they didn’t have it. But come on…..

    • @charliepyle1626
      @charliepyle1626 5 місяців тому

      I agree, the tough roads and trails can break you, literally. It is easy to buy a comfy seat and taller screen.

    • @bikesbabes4721
      @bikesbabes4721 5 місяців тому

      Never had a KTM, totally convinced its passion personified! Also suspect I will have to pay more and more often for maintenance.. No?

    • @johnwaugh6518
      @johnwaugh6518 5 місяців тому +5

      @@bikesbabes4721 15000km service interval (though I did it more often) other than that, no problems on 50K riding my 1290 SAR or in 45K on my 1190 R

  • @AJSpinDrift
    @AJSpinDrift 11 місяців тому +47

    One of the best MCN videos to date. A fantastic review and a format that's engaging and genuinely informative. More like this please.

    • @LimitEdit
      @LimitEdit 11 місяців тому +1

      totally agree!!

  • @Timmayytoo
    @Timmayytoo 11 місяців тому +26

    Cool test! The Triumph was a bit of a surprise, but the rest fell pretty much where I would have predicted. This makes me even more eager to see the R1300 tests against the R1250

  • @markkuijper1964
    @markkuijper1964 11 місяців тому +22

    Now that’s a great and useful review. Great objective tests and opinions on both the two categories. Really enjoyed this 42 minutes. Well done!

  • @richardperry4105
    @richardperry4105 11 місяців тому +7

    Please do this again when the new GS comes out. This is really great benchmarking.

  • @TwoGoTouring
    @TwoGoTouring 11 місяців тому +18

    Brilliant video guys really well done, I watch nearly all your reviews and buy MCN. Now comes the but…… 90% or more of these big bikes will never be off road. I have a GSA and couldn’t afford the damage risk. I have nearly 27,000 miles on it in two years and for about 23,000 of those my wife has been on the back, and I would guess there’s a lot of us out here that ride two up quite a lot of the time touring Wales, Scotland the Alps etc. I’d love to see a test where you load up your loved ones on the back of the bikes, fill the panniers with luggage and cover 1000 miles or more in a test of mixed roads and get the opinion of your pillions as well as yourselves on riding a bike fully loaded. I’ve never seen a test like that in any motorcycle magazine.

    • @violetscz
      @violetscz 11 місяців тому +3

      I would also be interested in this review. I feel the same as you. I travel on a Ducati MTS V4S motorcycle and 90% of the trips I ride with my wife. I've only been driving for 2 years and 38,000 km. Czech Republic/Europe

    • @mohammede.4500
      @mohammede.4500 11 місяців тому +1

      I would think a R1250RS would be a better comparison test for those who have no plans on taking the bike off road. Better comfort, street manners, etc..

    • @dieged3065
      @dieged3065 11 місяців тому

      👍

    • @altugafat9543
      @altugafat9543 11 місяців тому

      If using the motorcycle with a passenger is a choice, GS may be the choice, but if you do not have a passenger, traveling with a GS is soulless. An adventure motorcycle must also have off-road spirit.

    • @sganzerlag
      @sganzerlag 11 місяців тому +4

      Dude sorry, but that's simply touring. It's arguably not adventure riding, is it? If you're gonna run a tarmac-only two-up review, then the Goldwing should be in the test. And it will probably win. My 2c.

  • @NicePantsLance
    @NicePantsLance 11 місяців тому +9

    The Triumph really is the best of all worlds! The BMW is good, but the Tiger beats it in performance. The Multi is amazing, but its expensive and reliability is in question. The KTM is sporty, but doesnt have much touring chops and still has chain drive. The Tiger provides GS-beating performance, good engine reliability, superior touring comfort, and a decent price compared to the rest.
    Not to mention, the Tiger triple at high revs almost sounds like a V4 😁

    • @soldat2501
      @soldat2501 4 місяці тому

      To be fair, switching from a Tiger 1050 to an R1200GS saved my life. The Tiger was just that much quicker and it caused me to take chances I never could on the GS.

  • @timrodierides
    @timrodierides 11 місяців тому +11

    Brilliant video - those hot laps were absolute gold!

  • @michaelskinner896
    @michaelskinner896 11 місяців тому +5

    Nice work gents! Great format too. I think we all look a little too much at the paper stats, but real-world riding with feedback from different riders is much more relevant and important. Thanks for the comparo!

  • @Fernando90054
    @Fernando90054 11 місяців тому +1

    I’m going for the BMW, with all its years it still gets the second place on the road test. And in real world its an absolute joy to ride, no diving when braking, it’s still a queen, where ever you go in Europe, we can have proper technical Assistance, but in general it’s non needy bike, always eager to please its master. For me the choice is clear. And now, it is even more.
    Thank you for the video, it was an excellent job from NCM !

  • @markosrides
    @markosrides 11 місяців тому +14

    Very nice test, I'm just baffled that you chose the GSA which is 40 kilos heavier than the rest and then compared the off-road performance. Regular GS would have been a better choice as it is more in line with these bikes, although the suspension travel is smaller. Same goes for Triumph. Cheers!

    • @youtubeaccount9058
      @youtubeaccount9058 11 місяців тому +1

      R1250GS Rallye with sport suspension would be the best fit for this test -
      it's a GS with the GSA's taller suspension.

    • @aimeYM1
      @aimeYM1 11 місяців тому

      Yes - Indeed, that's a compelling argument. The GS experienced unjust treatment🤔, yet it's worth noting they also employed the heavier Triumph Explorer😋.

    • @nikoscosmos
      @nikoscosmos 11 місяців тому +2

      Pointless test given launch of R1300GS

    • @youtubeaccount9058
      @youtubeaccount9058 11 місяців тому

      @@nikoscosmos There is always a new bike coming up soon, once you get up to including 3 or 4 companies. Anyways I am sure the new GS will not be a KTM-beating offroad racer. That just isn't what the GS has ever been, nor what most buyers really want. Yeah they were winning Dakar 40 years ago on works bikes that were related to the production models of the time, but the race itself was not basically an enduro race like now.

    • @shegocrazy
      @shegocrazy 11 місяців тому

      All gs have rubbish suspension off road. The new gs might fix that.

  • @donarmstrong4166
    @donarmstrong4166 11 місяців тому +252

    Brits choose the Brit bike as #1. Save yourself 40+ minutes...

    • @elefunk13
      @elefunk13 11 місяців тому +10

      😂😂😂

    • @kennyb7883
      @kennyb7883 10 місяців тому +39

      lol.. ya I saw that coming also. And they left out the original king of kings Africa Twin

    • @dcampi7597
      @dcampi7597 10 місяців тому +21

      ​@@kennyb7883they left out the Africa Twin because then the brit bike wouldn't come out on top 😂

    • @Kevimoto
      @Kevimoto 10 місяців тому +19

      I guess you haven't watched a lot of British tests then. Let me guess...you're a KTM rider and you don't like hearing people that don't agree with you. 😂

    • @Kevimoto
      @Kevimoto 10 місяців тому

      ​@@kennyb7883I've seen quite a few Brit ADV shootouts where the Triumph doesn't come out on top. I think there are a lot of people out there, desperately looking for confirmation bias...and when they don't get that, they act out. Lol

  • @Moto_Steve_Adventures
    @Moto_Steve_Adventures 11 місяців тому +3

    Love this test! I bought the Triumph after riding the BMW and the Ducati. I didn’t test the KTM before purchasing, mainly because I knew it would be more off-road focused and I wanted something that would be nice and plush on the road for longer road trips. Very happy with my decision, and you just proved what I thought as well. Great video!

  • @jeremymcguire7069
    @jeremymcguire7069 11 місяців тому +3

    This is one of the best and most interesting comparison/test reviews I have ever seen for any category of motorcycle. Great job!

  • @phillipchandler8862
    @phillipchandler8862 11 місяців тому +2

    Wow what brilliant fun. Fantastic to have James along.

  • @ramsey3114
    @ramsey3114 27 днів тому

    perfect report , i tried and owned all this pikes and i kept the KTM and the Triumph

  • @2wheels1guy25
    @2wheels1guy25 11 місяців тому +19

    Great video! But…too bad you didn’t include the Honda ATAS (preferably manual). It would be interesting to see if the lack of power and bump in reliability would be an acceptable trade off. But hey…at least this leaves room for future tests!

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  11 місяців тому +10

      Yep, always room for future tests! Especially now Honda have updated it again, too... It was left out of this test due to the lack of power compared to the other bikes included. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.

    • @tHaH4x0r
      @tHaH4x0r 11 місяців тому +1

      Also, I doubt the lack of power matters offroad. It is no wonder most mid-range adventure bikes put down about 70bhp. Its nearly impossible to put down more power offroad with unstable surfaces.

  • @RikkyTang
    @RikkyTang 11 місяців тому +7

    Brilliant video! it's greeat to see these big adventure bikes being pushed off road and compared directly against each other 👍 Some great filming too!

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  11 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! It's amazing how capable all of these bikes are when you stop to think about the weight, size, and tech onboard. We had fun pushing them to the limit.

  • @adamashton74
    @adamashton74 9 днів тому

    Rode my Bmwr1250gsa around Australia in 2023/24 did 36,500klms and took bike off road plenty. Great all rounder and carried me and all my gear for 13 months. Best bike I've owned and most easiest bike I've ever ridden. Thanks for test though enjoyed the comparison. Note, my bmw doesn't have electronic suspension.

  • @MagnumMuscle1000
    @MagnumMuscle1000 11 місяців тому +5

    The KTM 1290 hugely benefits from a taller screen, bar risers and a comfort seat. With those mods I like it much better on road than the 2016 GSA I used to have. Off-road the KTM is far superior.

  • @AdriCNS-c1i
    @AdriCNS-c1i 11 місяців тому +3

    It's interesting comparing just the on-road times too !
    (I tried to take the times when both wheels were on the tarmac)
    The Ducati & BMW were the same times on road.
    KTM was fastest on both surfaces.
    Bike OffRoad Finish OnRoad
    KTM 1:02 1:34 (+0:32)
    triumph 1:05 1:39 (+0:34)
    ducati 1:08 1:43 (+0:35)
    BMW 1:10 1:45 (+0:35)

  • @bobrose7900
    @bobrose7900 11 місяців тому +4

    Great video, pleased for Triumph - a big thumbs up, I actually think it looks quite good too.

  • @MrBiggles
    @MrBiggles 11 місяців тому +2

    Great test thanks guys! And a big well done to Triumph!! 🎉

  • @rishnot16
    @rishnot16 11 місяців тому +13

    The Honda Africa Twin is conveniently missing from this test.

    • @nguyenduyanh68
      @nguyenduyanh68 4 місяці тому

      So tru 😂

    • @countbrapcula-espana
      @countbrapcula-espana 3 місяці тому +1

      Because its a middleweight adventure bike. Seriously 102 bhp. Its not anywhere in the league of the 160+ bhp KTM or 170 bhp Ducati

  • @traitorhatergetarope3163
    @traitorhatergetarope3163 11 місяців тому +2

    Not having ridden any of the these bikes except for the GSA and mostly the long rides knocking down 500 to 900 miles a day and occasionally hitting the dirt roads to find a fishing spot or a camping spot, I ride the GSA on my journeys. I have eyed the triumph a few times but have to say I am quite satisfied with my GSA. Great test, really shows the capabilites of all the bikes and what to expect from each bike. Thanks for the video.

  • @thebigoaktree8401
    @thebigoaktree8401 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video.
    Own a 23 Rally Pro (4850 miles on the clock). Longest trip 1300 miles …it was a gem to ride for all of the reasons that Nivs stated. Bought it as an adventure tourer, or should I say tourer adventure instead? Yes 🤔. Comfortable, capable, and a complete hammer when I need it to be. But the weight of the bike isn’t something for the faint of heart, or physically weak for that matter. If the bike begins to lean at stop before your foot is down …good luck with that!
    The Rally Pro looks far better in the hands of a pro. Nothing to “play” with. Great bike.

  • @inked-96
    @inked-96 11 місяців тому +2

    I use my 1200GSA as my new work horse, plenty powerful, comfortable, can't fault it. Whilst it's no KTM or Ducati for outright fun, i do have an RSV4 as a weekend toy. Great test guys!

  • @GCTO239
    @GCTO239 11 місяців тому +10

    Africa Twin should be in it though. It is a bloody fantastic bike and DCT is unique and easily the best system on the market. Forget about peak power. The 11000 engine delivers nicely.

    • @tubejorrit
      @tubejorrit 11 місяців тому +1

      More comparable with the Vstrom 1050, its not a super naked.

    • @motorcyclenewsdotcom
      @motorcyclenewsdotcom  11 місяців тому +3

      Thanks for taking the time to comment. The Africa Twin was left out of this one due to being so down on power. It would've done well off-road though. We'll look to add it to the next big test we do like this.

  • @andrewshore262
    @andrewshore262 11 місяців тому +7

    Unsurprised by the result…..The Tiger is a sublime ride but I’m biased - great test!

  • @mdragon99
    @mdragon99 11 місяців тому +2

    Gooooo Tiiiiiigeeeeer!! KTM 1290 for the Off Road was a given, but I'm amazed by how much!

  • @shawntoronto7967
    @shawntoronto7967 11 місяців тому +3

    Congrats on the best adventure bike test ever. Love that there’s a fast off-road section.

  • @cantero2bjornes
    @cantero2bjornes 7 місяців тому

    I drove my KTM 1290 Super Adventure R 2022 model from Hirtsahals (northern Denmark) to Bari (southern Italy) in 2 days with a standard seat. Drove according to speed on the roads with 50/50 tires. April 2023 - Should have spent 4 days on that trip. But decent comfort and very happy with the motorcycle no problem.- - But I am very impressed by the accessibility of endur driving with 70/30 rough tyres - Driving in div driving off road here in Norway

  • @mikejarvis3035
    @mikejarvis3035 11 місяців тому +8

    Jesus Christ - I needed oxygen after watching that trial against the clock, and the difference in times was such an eye opener, I actually guffawed at them!
    Hats off to @Jameshillierracing my heart was in my mouth a couple of times when you were going through those ruts. I wouldn't fancy taking ANY bike that size through them - top man!

    • @pieterbuys1336
      @pieterbuys1336 7 місяців тому

      Why "Jesus Christ" and not mohamed??? Disgraceful!!!

  • @PureEvolution
    @PureEvolution 11 місяців тому +3

    off to test ride the tiger this friday perfect video to what before hand nice work guys allways deliver

  • @casefarley5744
    @casefarley5744 11 місяців тому +4

    Good test and well presented. I doubt many of these bikes will be ridden as hard as Hillier did during his laps but the data is still useful.

  • @ryanmalone2681
    @ryanmalone2681 11 місяців тому +2

    I'd be happy with any of these bikes, and have owned the Tiger and currently own the GSA. There is a problem, with the Tiger, the MS, and the SAR is that if you're the type of person that likes to tackle challenging off-road trails, and might spend all day on the trail and only asphalt to connect the trails or get to the trails. If you're going to need to pick up these bikes a few times, you're going to be exhausted quickly and that's gonna be a safety issue. With the GS, you can pick it up all day with minimal effort (ask me how I know).
    Also, the rider modes switching back to road every time you turn off the Tiger and the dumpster fire that is the infortainment system is so so so annoying on the Tiger. I kept mine less than a year.

  • @corujariousa
    @corujariousa 10 місяців тому

    I appreciate and respect Michael's reviews. He's always practical and addresses points that are important in the real world. Any consumer can appreciate that.

  • @stitchjones7134
    @stitchjones7134 11 місяців тому

    Downsized to a 690 from a 1290, havent regretted it at all. Light, practical and i can still tour if I want to. Good luck with the big buggers, my little thumper does it all.

  • @YangCalgary
    @YangCalgary 11 місяців тому +1

    When James says he loses confidence while ripping through sections that would make me sweat at low speed ... brilliant format!

  • @operator0
    @operator0 3 місяці тому +1

    I would love to see the smaller ADV bikes do this course with a stop watch. That would be a very interesting comparison to see if the lighter bikes with less HP can stack up, or maybe even surpass these big bikes.

    • @apexxxx10
      @apexxxx10 3 місяці тому

      Smaller Adventure Bikes for Normal ‘smaller’ people. How about that?

  • @BlackThor15
    @BlackThor15 11 місяців тому +2

    Amazing, simply amazing! Well done you MCN team!! Hopefully middleweight next. 👍👍

  • @MOTOUK1
    @MOTOUK1 11 місяців тому +4

    Amazing video guys, amazing test and owning a tiger 1200 rally pro I can say too Neevesy I agree most comfy adventure bike, I did an 850 mile day with just fuel stops and so comfy.
    Triumph sure did a good job as they do on all there bikes. I don’t know of a manufacturer that has such a wide genre of bikes and all great.
    😂 hence I own a Bonneville and a Tiger 👍

  • @clintonhayes
    @clintonhayes 11 місяців тому +1

    Clearly you guys are the masters of road tests. That was as good as it gets - an amazing team.

  • @LatinoTraveller85
    @LatinoTraveller85 10 місяців тому +1

    You need to test the new F900GS adventure bike, The R1300GS 2024, and in no way BMW won't be on the top!

  • @ronwilt940
    @ronwilt940 9 місяців тому +2

    Terrific review and format for testing these bikes. All the commentary was superb. Triumph pulled out all the stops. They've released details on their 2024 lineup except for the Tiger 1200s. Are we in for more surprises?

  • @AndrewPoole01
    @AndrewPoole01 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video thanks but a bit confused about a few things
    1. The on road test was all on road while the offroad test was 50/50 on road. A more comprehensive offroad terrain test might have been better
    2. I might have missed something but the comment was made that all electronics were turned off on the ktm but no comment on the choice of electronics on the others apart from something like “we played around with the electronics but couldn’t find a setting that we liked”
    3. An average of say 3 runs instead of a single shot might have averaged out line choices etc I realise time is often limited though. Or at least a longer ride offroad as most rides don’t just last 2 minutes
    It just didn’t feel to me like the off road test was perhaps as great an assessment as it could have been?
    Fun to watch though. Thank you

    • @rdavidsen7344
      @rdavidsen7344 11 місяців тому

      Agree. I posted prior to reading yours. Only a minute of true off-road for the comparison.

  • @skinnyrides
    @skinnyrides 11 місяців тому +1

    what was the point with the new BMW R1300GS being launched?

  • @geoffball9547
    @geoffball9547 11 місяців тому +4

    One of the best reviews ever!

  • @danghita4386
    @danghita4386 11 місяців тому +2

    Much better test than the average on UA-cam.. however statistics and numbers talk best when there is enough data. I mean having one pilot doing one lap with each bike is not conclusive and I feel towards the end he knew the track better and exploited the ruts and corners more efficient. The format of the test was great, though having at least 3, maybe 5 pilots doing the same track at least few laps with each bike and picking the best or the average would be more relevant? I have/had 3 of these bikes and my own impression is a bit different with BMW an absolute winner on street and very close to KTM off road. I kept the KTM though..

  • @dafyddprichard4107
    @dafyddprichard4107 11 місяців тому +4

    Great video! I’d love to see the exactly same test repeated with the next-size-down equivalent models - BMW F850GS, Tiger 900, KTM 890, etc - would the weight saving and extra nimbleness result in quicker times compared to the larger siblings?

  • @nicksokolis6343
    @nicksokolis6343 11 місяців тому +8

    I would like to have the off road opinion from an average off roader. Which bike is the easiest for a novice that is going to take their very expensive bike for light off roading?

    • @northislander4evasir107
      @northislander4evasir107 11 місяців тому +1

      Im an average off roader. I had a 1200GS, switched to the Katie. Chalk and cheese. The Katie I found so much easier to ride than the GS, over the exact same trails. Just less drama and effort, particularly in the rutty and uneven stuff. GS on the road, every day though

  • @madoupeter
    @madoupeter 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for the video.
    But, what's the point of this enduro race against the clock? I am not sure it contributes to the selection process of the average adventurebike customer.
    Besides, I am not sure the methodology is sound. If one rides the same track several time, the level of skill and experience regarding the specific track will change.
    Bachelors’ wives and maidens’ children are well taught, but if I may....a comparative test of five different riders giving scores to comfort, agility, fun factor, good looks, panniers, passenger,... would provide greater added value and a different result. cheers.

    • @georgetrillides3859
      @georgetrillides3859 11 місяців тому

      This was a small 2 minute test ride. Imagine how small details amplitude when you ride on long journeys which these bikes are made for.

    • @madoupeter
      @madoupeter 11 місяців тому

      other differences may emerge. But since longer trips are what they are made for. A 2 minutes test is not really the way 2 go imo

    • @georgetrillides3859
      @georgetrillides3859 11 місяців тому +1

      @@madoupeter I would suggest to you to watch the video for the Triumph Quinness world record with a Tiger Explorer

  • @heilpepe7298
    @heilpepe7298 4 місяці тому

    A real comprehensive test of these giant bikes.... Thanks....

  • @TechReviewInsider
    @TechReviewInsider 11 місяців тому +1

    I love having some middle aged guys just having their inner child moments after looking at the stopwatch at end

  • @ENGBriseB
    @ENGBriseB 11 місяців тому +2

    Triumph have come along way. Great review guys.

  • @fc15min
    @fc15min 11 місяців тому +3

    Why there is no Honda Africa Twin??? Second off-road test, but not in midle class, not in heavyweights? What is going on?

  • @AbeNXC
    @AbeNXC 8 місяців тому

    Really appreciate you guys going to the extent of putting them all on the same tire

  • @sbabbaro1977
    @sbabbaro1977 11 місяців тому +1

    I owned the tiger1200 rally pro but I found a few defects including:
    engine too weak at low revs, on-off effect and cardan noise, traction control too invasive, delay in accelerator response, non-adjustable electronics, TFT with little information, few buttons on the electrical blocks, difficulty putting it on the central stand with suitcases , dangerous anti-stall effect, the engine shut down when downshifting with the clutch and 150 horsepower is electronically limited.
    after only 6500 km I switched to KTM1290 out of desperation, I couldn't stand these defects. I loved the triumph brand and have owned the last 3 generations of tiger1200 but the latest rally pro disappointed me deeply.

  • @elvislives-gl4rv
    @elvislives-gl4rv 4 місяці тому +1

    KLR650 and V-strom DL1000?

  • @ReferenceFidelityComponents
    @ReferenceFidelityComponents 11 місяців тому +2

    Great test, thanks for such a comprehensive round up. Gs has become too lardy and they haven’t yet sorted the suspension. The dynamic esa works for me only in dynamic mode on road. As a sports tourer their best bike is no longer the GS nor the RT. It’s the RS which makes most sense. Brilliant bike. Triumph surprised me. I had a mk1 Tiger Explorer and whilst brilliant on road, you couldn’t get around the stupidly top heavy balance at slow speed which ruined it so much for me I sold it for a GSA. KTM have been king off road for years now but reliability issues for me still stop me buying one. Ducati has a strong engine at high rpm but I felt let down by weaker than expected low down grunt and didn’t like the riding position. The surprise for me is the trumpet. I may have to look into one again. Have they cured the top heavy balance, especially wrestling the thing off the side stand fully laden? I would have liked to see how the Veestrom 1050 compared as it’s the only affordable one out there for most people and has nailed reliability.

    • @altugafat9543
      @altugafat9543 11 місяців тому

      Suzuki V-strom 1050DE is a very good bike in the middle class and safe motorcycle category.

  • @Aussielifeadventures
    @Aussielifeadventures 5 місяців тому

    I love my 22 Triumph Tiger rally pro. Beautiful to ride to work and on the weekend I take her to dirt. Thank you so much for the great video guys.

  • @webmuir
    @webmuir 11 місяців тому +5

    Would have loved to see what a good middleweight (there’s plenty of 890Rs at Sweet Lamb) would have done the lap time in in the same conditions. That would have been fascinating information.

  • @NoTengoIlusiones
    @NoTengoIlusiones 9 місяців тому +8

    "cream of ADV bikes" and not including the mythical Africa Twin ??!?! It's like throwing a cocktail party without glasses 🤣

    • @raonyca
      @raonyca 3 місяці тому +1

      Africa Twin is not considered a heavyweight bike. That's the reason...

  • @Beinhartwie1chopper
    @Beinhartwie1chopper 10 місяців тому +1

    I am so glad that James didn't crash!

  • @brianeaston3748
    @brianeaston3748 11 місяців тому +1

    A great test,well done 👍
    I just bought a new GSA,and its a brilliant bike and in the real world not many people will take them to that extreme,off road, because there so expensive to buy,but it's good to see what they can do in the right hands,but on a test if anyone drops a bike,they don't need to pay for the damage,so its easy to thrash expensive bikes off road,great test from all involved 👍

    • @raystewart365
      @raystewart365 11 місяців тому

      I owned a triumph explorer and now have a new GSA and for me the BMW is a brilliant all round bike

  • @northislander4evasir107
    @northislander4evasir107 11 місяців тому +4

    Great vid and great honest way of comparing. I have the SAR and it is far easier off road than the GS I had previously. Having said that, Id have the GS on road any day. And for the Herberts, these do go off road, you can pick them up, and bike skills should always be worked on. Use an Enduro for enduro country

    • @inked-96
      @inked-96 10 місяців тому

      How has reliability been?

    • @northislander4evasir107
      @northislander4evasir107 5 місяців тому

      @@inked-96 small water pump leak (cracked housing?) at 1500 miles. Other than that, the KTM curse has stayed away and its been bullet proof... touch wood :) Have had it on massive hard on road/off road trips.

  • @jasonball9166
    @jasonball9166 5 місяців тому

    Best test of these machines I've seen yet....well done loved it

  • @ashleylemmer8016
    @ashleylemmer8016 7 місяців тому

    Absolutely loved the format of this test, thanks guys.

  • @gadjules7334
    @gadjules7334 11 місяців тому +1

    What a fantastic review, I thoroughly enjoyed that. A thorough test with expert riders and very enjoyable to boot. Thank you

  • @adamc209
    @adamc209 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome stuff! Happy with my 1200 GSA, does everything well 😎

  • @wrenchturners
    @wrenchturners 2 місяці тому

    Epic test. Thank you!!!!!

  • @cloudtro
    @cloudtro 11 місяців тому +2

    Where is the Africa Twin?

  • @MyNameishidden-l2f
    @MyNameishidden-l2f 11 місяців тому

    Reviewing both on and off road
    Overall Winner
    1) Triumph
    2) KTM
    3) Ducati & BMW
    Mr. Guy should come back and do more videos...loved this one...Remember his Bakker adventure bike video review from over a decade back

  • @MichaelWilliams-jc2ui
    @MichaelWilliams-jc2ui 11 місяців тому +2

    Great review of the European big boys. Pop out now to order my Tiger!

  • @defylifeadventure
    @defylifeadventure 11 місяців тому +1

    Nice to see MCN upping its content game and using a control tyre too. Great stuff. There seems to be an obsession with Sweet Lamb though. there are other places to visit that the viewers would like to see too even if Molly is a great dude.

  • @Frank-xo7zj
    @Frank-xo7zj 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you gentlemen
    I really enjoyed this!

  • @ItsAllJustBollox
    @ItsAllJustBollox 11 місяців тому +1

    The bikes with the 21in front wheel are better off road, the Triumph is good all round, the Ducati is a sports bike on stilts than can do off road and the BMW is the relaxing plodder for old people.

  • @Gofr5
    @Gofr5 11 місяців тому +1

    My personal pick is the 1290 Super Adventure S, which wasn't featured here. Though honestly, all these bikes are amazing in their own way that I don't think you can really make a wrong choice here.

  • @aydnural735
    @aydnural735 11 місяців тому +2

    Dear MCN guys, I love all your videos, but this one is really a masterpiece - the best motorbike comparison test I’ve seen in a decade (and I’ve seen millions!). The reasons are very cleverly and justly selected models, ironing out the differences in tires and superb test riders and commentators. But still, I do have some objections (as a guy who owned most and ridden all of these bikes and with 400,000km under my belt): Triumph Tiger was a magnificent bike, but this stupid T-crank engine killed its creamy smoothness and such excessive dive-in at braking is unacceptable in this day and age. I guess you just got a bit nationalistic over there, R 1250 GSA is still miles ahead on road. On the other extreme, KTM 1290 SAR with an optional saddle and a touring screen and rubber-padded footpegs is certainly very close to the BMW comfort on-road being substantially more fun to ride (much more so than SAS variant)! Off-road (or on your trail course), I wouldn’t dare to question your expertise, but I guess tire fixation can play to the advantage of some bikes and disadvantage to the others. And after all, time trials may not be the deciding factor for everyone. Still yet, superb video - from concept to actualization. Keep up the good work!

    • @mohammede.4500
      @mohammede.4500 11 місяців тому +2

      Strongly disagree. I was between the Triumph and the GS for a long time. I rented a GS1250 for a week to test (while on vacation in France). Within 5 minutes of being on the Triumph, I knew it handled so much better on road. I've read of the Triumph handling magic, and it is real. The vibrations are not much of an issue for me, since the bike has so much torque and power, I'm rarely in that 5000+ RPM range where the vibration gets really felt. And when I do, I'm usually riding aggressivley and welcome the roar of the triple and the vibrations.

  • @JagLite
    @JagLite 11 місяців тому

    Fun test. Not that 99% of the owners could ride like that but it does show what the bike is capable of.

  • @jfarlandutube
    @jfarlandutube 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video, excellent evaluations.

  • @Caledonia747
    @Caledonia747 5 днів тому

    The KTM is an absolutely superb bike on and off road

  • @7443jan
    @7443jan 10 місяців тому

    Best test ever between this bikes. The Dunlop Trail max is probably my next tyre on my KTM 690R. It would be nice to hear something about the experience of the riders with these tyres.

  • @jonathandavies6862
    @jonathandavies6862 11 місяців тому +1

    👀 Damn Triumph came out swinging! 💪great objective tests on & off road + excellent feedback from the Pro's! 👍well done MCN

  • @frankensteinsgarage9632
    @frankensteinsgarage9632 11 місяців тому +1

    I know lap times aren't super important for touring for many riders. But man, best test ever.
    What this test does show is that, KISS. But, massive surprise from the British corner. Even before the off-road test, i knew it be a good road touring bike. But wasnt expeting to be such a good off road-bike.
    KTM for the win. Until I want more comfort. Then maybe Trumpy or the Bavarian.

  • @jun701
    @jun701 11 місяців тому +1

    THE BEST BIG ADV review ever.
    Many reviews compare these, but this one is the ultimate one. The really intriguing part is the off-road lap time comparison...
    “HOW YOU FEEL” is NOT “WHAT’s REALLY GOING ON”.
    The bike might make you a bit uncomfortable, but if this negativity can transform into sportiness, it’s all worth it.
    This review reveals the fundamental design philosophy of each bike. For me, I’d rather get Goldwing over GS, and choose KTM for ADV duty.

  • @clivecro4971
    @clivecro4971 3 місяці тому

    It would be interesting to see them all fully loaded up with kit for the same test.
    They are built to carry.

  • @kiwiadventurer
    @kiwiadventurer 10 місяців тому +1

    Consider me subscribed. A real world test with a seasoned cross section of experience. You covered all the bases and your production formulae nailed it. If I was on the market again for a big duel sport this video would go a long way to help me make a choice based on the raw soul of the bikes. There is much to consider re ease of servicing such as air filters price etc, but all that in 42mins. Thats what I call an adventure bike test, well done.👍

  • @dickiemcgeezacks9458
    @dickiemcgeezacks9458 11 місяців тому +7

    I don't know if I'm a cheap ass or what, but I could be making 6 figures and still not want to take my $30,000 bike off road, even with engine guards and all this other crap on it.

  • @TheHigh0ctane
    @TheHigh0ctane 11 місяців тому +1

    Great review! Very best riders and very best bikes is a fantastic combination. Thank you!

  • @canuckslions3439
    @canuckslions3439 8 місяців тому

    Great reviews! I bought the 2023 Rally Explorer a few days ago. Got rid of my super tenere. I think I’ll notice a difference haha. Ride safe guys and take care! Darin Hillier in Calgary Canada

  • @kishannr911
    @kishannr911 11 місяців тому

    I agree to your initial thought on Triumph, I have Triumph speed 400, and it is having the same engine characteristics as all Triumph line up... At, slow speeds it sounds normal and when I revv it to higher RPM's the sound literally transforms like a Dragon Ball Z anime... Becomes, bold and unique and high pitch noise... awesome

  • @drdoolittle5724
    @drdoolittle5724 11 місяців тому +1

    Wow, best telly ever, gripping stuff ( excuse the pun )!

  • @DarthDainese
    @DarthDainese 6 місяців тому

    Coming from a V-twin Panigale R to my 2019 Multistrada Enduro, it's comfortable enough for me

  • @brettlashbrook8527
    @brettlashbrook8527 11 місяців тому

    Excellent review. Fun to watch and informative. Top job and well done Triumph. All the best Brett.

  • @garyhutson6361
    @garyhutson6361 11 місяців тому +3

    Great watch. Fantastic jobs 👌🏼

  • @schemkesa
    @schemkesa 11 місяців тому +1

    I rode most of the bikes on road in the twisties except for the KTM. And I'm suprised you liked the Triumph. I find his throttle response very abrupt and couldnt trailbrake into corners. Didn't like it at all. My favorite for on road would be the Ducati, despite it uncomfortable seat during hot summer days. BMW 2nde because of how good it handles everything, but hardly any excitement.