Lesson Learnt Trying To Buy Preowned
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- I was interstate about a month ago and I found a guy selling his Omega Seamaster 210.30.42.20.04.001 on the preowned market.
I met up with him and the deal went south and the result was a $6000 lesson and 2 broken hearts
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You’re a good person for checking up on him afterwards. Enjoying the channel, keep up the good work
Cheers Calum, will do bro 🙏
Truth! You never know the man's circumstances... is this his last swing? Is he desperate? This could have been a matter of suicide. It wasn't; the dude wasn't that bad off but checking up on him repeatedly was absolutely saintly of you.
When shopping for a watch in that price bracket, I just go direct to an authorised dealer. I’d rather invest $8000 in a genuine item instead of $6000 on a deal of a lifetime on a watch that is likely actually a $200 knockoff at best.
I like to buy from a reputable jewelry store owner that is not an authorized dealer because I save so much. I do go ahead and send the watch in for service to the manufacturer to verify it is legitimate. And I advise the shop owner I will be doing so in order to receive a guarantee from him that it's coming back as an original and not a fake.
Exactly. If you're spending that much don't understand why some people go cheap to try to save just a few bucks. In the long run all you get is headaches.
If you want a good discount and don’t care about papers or guarantee buy it a jomashop or similar, but don’t buy from a shop without reputation
Glass half empty then
@@alvarocuchacovich8166 is joma shop authentic?
"If it resonates with you... it's perfect for your collection..." Absolutely!
Oh man, I even feel for him. That happens all too often. Many times with out knowing that same fake can pass by a few other owners too. So later you could be buying from a buddy you trust and both parties assume authenticity. Protect yourself always.
Hey Rob, I've seen that happen before where they have been passed from buyer to buyer unknowingly, a real shame
Good on you for believing Trevor’s story. I wouldn’t. You had suspicions from the beginning - the price was well below market at under half of MSRP, and it was being sold without papers. He says he bought it for OVER MSRP ($6k) at a shop in Malaysia - why would anyone go to Malaysia to buy a luxury product at more than they would pay for it in the states or UK? And why would they sell it for under market value in mint condition? I think Trevor bought a super clone with a genuine box and thought it was so good that he would be able to pass it off as genuine without issue. When the buyer pulled out a loop to examine and called him out, he was devastated, because he had chosen the wrong person to sell it to and now would probably be pressured to take down his listing. Idk, man - maybe I’m just cynical! But it sounds like a scam to me.
My thoughts exactly. You can buy a really good naked super clone for 600-800$ and for a few more dollars you'll get a fake box and even fake papers with it. Sounds more like "Trevor" put on a slick suit and tried to get someone to finance his trip to Southeast Asia post travel, if that's where he really bought the watch. Or he just bought it online like most people do.
colin you on the money mate trevor and his watch were fakes - come on kosta see the wood for the trees - he was a good actor hehe
6k Aud probably
@@Snoop_Dugg Yeah, probably right on that!
I came here to say exactly this. Your analysis is sound.
I bought two Omega watches recently from an Authorised Dealer in UK.
All boxes, all paperwork, METAS Certificates, 5 Year Omega Warranty Card registered on Omega Website.
... and got 38.5% discount... I had a very good day. Now proud owner of
Omega Speedmaster Moonphase Stainless Steel 18k Sedna Gold on brown leather strap.
Omega Seamaster 300 Chronograph Stainless Steel 18k Sedna Gold, black dial on rubber strap.
Love them both😊😊😊
I love how this is information we all already know, but mate, what a story. Thanks for doing a good and honest job.
What a rollercoaster of emotions! I went from laughing at you running off with the watch, to very somber listening to the story. Poor guy, must have been gut wrenching for him. Thanks for sharing
Examples like this is why I chose to pay through the nose when I purchased my Planet Ocean from an Omega Boutique. We here in the states have a saying when it comes to purchasing expensive things, "buy once, cry once."
And similar to "buy cheap, buy twice"
Good onya mate. Much respect for how you've handled it and shared the experience for all to learn from. Feel really bad for the guy.
Mate I just discovered you videos , and I love the important info and general advice as much as the relaxing time you have , keep up the good work !
Welcome 🙏
You are a good man, and one of the best watch reviewers on UA-cam, making u feel that we really know you.
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Great video, Peter! You are a good person. The fakes now are scary good. We know where to look, but most of people don't, so thank you for doing this. Keep up the great work you do.
Tragic and beautiful at once. Thanks for being a good friend to Trevor.
Thank you for sharing! Sorry you guys had to have that experience. It's a valuable lesson for sure.
Wow Peter, how terrible. I feel very sad for Trevor. You are a kind and good hearted man, looking after Trevor and coaching him. Thank you for sharing. Hopefully a lesson we can all remember when confronted with such a situation. Thank you Peter for your kind heart. All the best 👍
My heart sinks for that guy. Kudos to you, Mate for being there with him in that horrid moment.
I’ve seen some really good “clones” and bad “fakes” over my years doing this and being prepared with knowledge is really your only defense.
Great channel and reviews. 👍🏻❤️
Well said Ross
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Why? He clearly knew it was a fake. 8:17 "poor me, I'm such a victim. Your channel doesn't happen to be free to subscribe to so that I can educate myself for future situations like this, right? Wait, what, you're imparting this knowledge for free?!! WOW! I've been saved!" ....really dude?!
An excellent lesson for us all Peter. Thanks mate.
Listen to your intuition 😊.
Great story, thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks for sharing Bro, you’re pure gold ! 🙏🏻
Peter, your channel is top shelf. Music, writing, framing... it's all better than most.
too kind 🙏
Thanks for sharing this very valuable lesson. Much appreciated as a subscriber and watch lover. 👏🏻
Excellent video Pete. Very informative. 👍
Is it just me that gets excited when you see your watch as a photo on one of these videos lol I LOVE IT !!
Omega speedmaster reduced !!
Great story and appreciate you sharing.
My pleasure..
Cheers
Great video and excellent advice. Thank you for sharing. Cheers!
Glad it was helpful! 🙏
You’re a very kind and caring person.
It's a tough lesson Peter thanks for reminding us all, I know I will never be knowledgeable enough to know fake from real, which is the main reason I would never buy an expensive used watch, as you say buy what you want but also only buy what you can afford
Sad and salutary tale but good of you to offer your support to him.
Damn Trevor, I'm sorry that happened to you, man. It can happen to the best of us. Hopefully it's not enough to deter you from this hobby for good. There's a lot of enjoyment to be had out there. Chin up!
Won’t happen to any of us if you buy from a proper legit AD, especially in dodgy thieving Asia!
@@charliezobel511. Totally agree.
@@nickjanssens I'm lucky to have struck up a very good relationship with my local AD over the last few years so he's looked after me with excellent discount on Omega.
That said even if I didn't get discount I'd still rather buy from him than elsewhere purely for peace of mind, both authenticity and warranty.
he knew it was fake if he was selling for half price in the first place
Exactly, the story is either fake or Trevor knew the watch was fake, something doesn’t add up
Exactly what I came to the comment section to say.
Not necessarily, he was maybe selling it for lower than what he bought it that was probably already low price, but he didn't know since he didn't know about watches
@@cabezonx nah dont be daft
@@zekoomrkva Or, it is possible than "Trevor" was desparate to raise some quick cash for personal reasons and thought the watch was a way of doing this. It could have been that he had crediotrs threatening to break his legs. So I think unitl we know the full circumstances better not to judge.
Subscribed just because of the man you are, looking out for others is often difficult.
Appreciate your support and feedback 🙏
Welcome aboard Alex
Cheers
Well I thought it was a lovely story. And you tell it so well… with such enthusiasm.
"if it resonates with you, it's perfect for your collection" This is really the thing. If you try to buy watches based on internet popularity or specs, you might find a rather expensive watch in your collection that you never wear. You're in the watch shop and you are looking at two watches and deciding to pull the trigger. One is the watch that you "should" buy, better brand recognition, better movement, and the other you just like better. It just feels more friendly. You're supposed to like the other one, but you just cant get exited about it. It's like you almost feel obligated to get it. Always buy the one you want, and you will always wear it.
Well said! I went to my AD in 2019 to see a 2000 Submariner that they had just gotten in. When I got there it was next to a 2000 Explorer 2. When I tried them both on, the Sub felt top heavy and the larger crown dug into my hand. I felt that even though this was the grail watch I always wanted, it would not be my daily wear. When I put on the Exp2 it just melted onto my wrist. It had the exact same dial but with the 24 hour hand like the GMT, smaller crown, lighter weight, same bracelet, and had a more unique look with the fixed steel bezel that differs from all the Sub and homages of the Sub that are so ubiquitous. I wrestled with my pre-conceived decision that here was my grail watch and I actually loved the Exp2 more, and for all the right reasons. Now, I wouldn’t knock the beauty and iconic look of the sub, but I had similar “homages” of it and this just looked like the rest of them, just much more expensive, albeit the original icon. I ended up going with the Exp 2, saved $1500, and have been very comfortable with my decision since.
Hi , wow an all to common theme, what a story,I have small watch collection,really enjoy ur video,great tips thx
Pete I'm in the same boat. Have had close to a dozen seikos and the last Mm300 is my last one. I have the same concern on spending money on seikos with QC issues.
Pete, your a good man!
Love your honesty and kind heart. Got me to subscribe just now.
Cheers
Welcome aboard 👍
Very expensive life lesson. Your advice of buying from an AD is spot on. Thanks for putting this out. There are some out there with no conscience .
Well said...dodgy sellers making money like this destroys people and sometimes has terminal effects..not good at all
Very sensible words .. Are all you guys from Melbourne wise ..? Ange Postecoglou quickly becoming a hero here in Scotland due to his wisdom ..
Hahahaha
I wish Ange all the best and plenty of success 👍
Just over a $4600USD mistake... Ouch!
My parents purchased a "Jade" jewelry set in Thailand costing a few thousand dollars which they gifted to my wife before our marriage. I sent it off for an official appraisal for insurance purposes and the set came back as fake. The appraisal cost me $200 which far exceeded the value of the set. The southeast Asian market is a tricky place, one that should only be entered with a bullet-proof exit strategy. Overall, any deal that is too good to be true, is.
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Jade is not considered gem stone in the rest of the world so price can swing wildly.
@@jtwu8931 fake jade is worthless no matter what
I'm the same with seiko. Good on ya Pete.a gentleman through and through.
Hi Peter my heart goes out to that guy as they say let the buyer beware, at that sort of price you really need to be doing your homework , meanwhile I just got my snzh57 and I'm in love with it! That's what I love about this hobby, you don't have to spend big money to get a great watch, cheers
This is exactly why I bought my first expensive watch from an AD. Luckily i spend allot of time on youtube and reddit and have come to know there are ALLOT of fakes who look identical to the real one. Bought my Tag Heuer Aquaracer at Msrp when I could find one used for half the price. Glad I did not end up in the sistuation this guy got in poor guy. Thanks to people like you who upload videos on this save allot people.
It has happened to me twice. Once years ago with a Submariner I bought on Ebay from a self proclaimed dealer. And just when I said it will never happen again it did 12yrs later with a Breitling I bought from a local pawn shop that stocks high end watches. Turns out the expert in charge of authentication wasn't as good as he lead on. So now I only trust my own judgement and that of an AD watchmaker.
Ouch....Thanks for sharing this. Thank goodness we can learn from others without the financial devastation....
I need a hug after hearing this story. Dark times
I was eyeing a Breitling Super Ocean 44 blue dial for a while and I was gonna buy pre owned, but I went to an AD while on vacation in Aruba and bought it new. The satisfaction of seeing the dealer activate the warranty online and getting the card , box and receipt is worth the few hundred extra than buying a used one. Granted it wasn't Rolex level prices but 3600 US is still a lot of change.
Fantastic video. Proud to be a new subscriber. You are absolutely spot one, buy the seller, never the watch. I will only use AD’s and a couple of established preused watch jewellers I’ve dealt with for many years.
Welcome aboard 🙏
@@PeterKotsa 🤝
I appreciate your lack of ego so much when it comes to watches.
One of very few content creators I’ve seen in this hobby that doesn’t try to parade some idea of superiority when it comes to “what’s good” and if a piece is worth buying.
Thank you for the feedback Nate, appreciated 🙏
It's always sad to hear about someone getting scammed. I remember being warned when I travelled to Asia as few years back, name brands have fixed MSRPs around the globe regardless of currency, if it's half price in the souk/bazaar/market, it's a fake.
A salutary lesson for us all.Well done.Paul Thorpe has produced many superb videos regarding watch buying and what to be wary of.
As you say,if it appears to be too good to be true,then it invariably is !!
Take good care.
Well said!
I'm gonna bought an Omega 75% at retail price. I haven't check it yet but this is a lesson for sure. Thanks friend.
Very interesting story
A lesson for all. Feel for Trevor and all the Trevor’s around the world being duped. Good work Peter, people cannot buy integrity.
Trevor is not the one getting dooped mate, he's the one doing the dooping. It is absolutely mind blowing how naive people are. It's no wonder people like Trevor exist.
Wow 😳 what a story !
Totally agree with you about learning as much as you can about the watch your interested in and if possible try one on, I've recently bought a watch that looked great in pictures and watched many reviews but when i put it on the connection just wasn't there.
Very interesting and educational video. I have now subscribed.
Welcome to the channel 👍
That Alpinist is my favorite watch in my collection... no surprise you repurchased it
As a Malaysian, I felt sorry for "Trevor". I also have been duped few times.
Sad to hear bro..
Sorry to hear 'Trevor' paid a great deal of 'lesson fee' to the criminal in my country.
Any chance we can know the location of the said shop? Even I, as a Malaysian, am not aware of shops like this :(
@@daniellaw7175 I will try to contact him and ask..
Malaysian here. Feel really sorry for 'Trevor'
It's great deal of money loss. The shop has to be exposed.
Ive never had a steel mesh bracelet. I don't like them but every Seamaster I'd love to have comes with it. There are no ADs here in College Station so I can't even try it on unless I buy one. As a 40 year old, I'm glad that this is the only problem I have.
You are amazing human being!
Another good avenue to take care of the issue early is if you buy a watch and aren't 100% confidant in it to take it to another jeweler for appraisal for insurance reasons. Places around me charge about $50-$100 for this and there isn't any harm in having a second set of eyes look at an expensive watch and hopefully verify its authenticity. At least you could find out if the watch is a replica early on and hopefully dispute credit charges/get a return soon after purchase (i.e., it sounds like he bought it from a store).
You are a good man sir!
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I have only bought from AD Omega stores, yes youpay top dollar but I can imagine how "Trevor" would feel absolutely gutted. Thanks for sharing.
I bought a new omega seamaster with white dial / black bezel directly from Omega boutique last week. It was amazing and I love it.
Great Video !! Thanks for sharing
Cheers Doug
I bought the same SM300 through an AD and it was shipped directly from Omega. It showed up with missing letters on the face. Sent it back and got my money back.
Trevor tried hard to impress by wearing a suit to divert the attention of a potential buyer, later on caught red handed selling a fake.. Trevor has a bail out story in case he will be caught selling a fake, so he will be look upon as victim. Well played Trevor… 👏🏼
Heartbreaking story that reaches the audience through a great story teller. Thank you, Peter, for sharing this with us, as it is stories like this that helps us all look out for each other.
Jumping into this hobby with buying whatever looked the part was how it re-started, but not how it is going. Finding much more enjoyment these days in a watch that I truly did the research on. Looks so much better on the wrist when you know it belongs there!
Man, I feel for that guy.
That's not a good day. At all. For anyone.
Makes me wonder how many folks have been scammed and are are walking around with a $1K version of a $10K watch without knowing...
On a brighter note; the Alpinist. I've had mine for 6 months now. Still in love with it (cream dial gold hands/indicies version). They're great on a jubliee Pete; although yours is looking pretty good on the Monza strap.
Thanks for the sobering wake-up. No matter how much we think we know, we all need our guard up. Some watch scams are getting pretty sophisticated. If we think it can never happen to us, think again!
Always learning and unfortunately seeing things like this saddens me that so many people are so easily taken advantage of.
Cheers bro
Some great lessons taught and explained well there mate.
Cheers Paul
I’ve been watching plenty of your vids with scammers lately
Thank you for continually enlightening the watch community 👍
I bought a seiko alpinist the cream dial at singapore. i love it i intend to keep it! My first watch 1k CAD. Question Do i need to keep receipt for all purchases? From now on?
I’m buying a used Seiko MM300 from someone I know. The only reason I will buy it from him is because I know he bought it from a local AD.
Poor guy, lesson learn can’t go wrong just buy at AD. If pre owned make sure you’re very knowledgeable that the one u buy is real deal. Bought mine at AD last week Omega sea master 300 meter white face dial.
Thanks for sharing bro
I own said Omega and I feel for Trevor. It’s nice you can register your serial number with Omega on their website.
He was selling the watch for half the retail price...Maybe I am being cynical, but I think the blood ran from his face because you realized it was a fake and he did not get away with it ....I think he was a good actor....
Sad story if its true, but I'm with HayBob. It saves him having to do a runner.
Honestly, I don't believe a single word of this story. You made it up for your youtube channel. As you say, it's my "discernment" that tells me this. 100%.
Cool story bro👍🤣 -Omega seamaster look like its worth about $800 original or not.
Malaysia... You remind me of Chinese sellers in Petaling Street knocking down poor tourists
It's heart breaking indeed! i had goosebumps when i was starting to realize trevor's mistake and dreaded what you were going to tell next. It's like you dodged a bullet that already went through trevor. damn.
Yeah, pretty devastating for him thats for sure.
A lesson for all of us. I’d love to know in more detail what the key “tells” were that you could identify it as fake so quickly.
There's a great video that Jody from Just One More Watch did recently, he sums it up perfectly...check him out 👍
This is the first time I've seen any of your videos. When you said you took off with his watch I actually believed you 😮 But quickly changed when I realized you were joking 😄
Great video 🎉 That Seiko u were holding grew on me the more I looked at it 👻. A very nice day watch 🥸
Great Vid Peter! thanks for sharing it. BTW what brand of watch strap is that on the White Alpinist?
I got it from here: www.cheapestnatostraps.com/collections/racing-watch-bands/products/monza-oak-with-white-stitching
cheers
Although I agree with the buy from an AD premise, you have Rolex wanting you to buy out the store before you get the grail. Simply put you need to qualify the person from whom you intend to purchase the item. By the seller.
As a fellow Melbourner, it's great to hear your voice on the tube. Good luck with lockdown 4.0 mate & if you read this, thoughts on the Alpinist Core? I'm just not sure I would pay that much for a 6R movement
Yeah I hear you about the 6R, but its the direction Seiko has taken. Still this watch is not that expensive considering all things..could have been worse..
Cheers , stay safe and SANE in this 4th lockdown
Cheers
Hey Peter, nice video, i just subscribed as i am getting into learning more about watches. I have a question, what happens if i damage the coating on sapphire glass ?
Welcome aboard
Firstly there are only a handful of manufacturers that offer anti-reflective coating on the outside of the sapphire crystal. Omega for arguments sake, does offer it on many of their latest offerings and if indeed you do damage it, there are really only 2 things you can do.
1. take it back to the manufacturer for either a crystal replacement or repair (sometimes they can re coat the crystal)
2. remove the coating altogether, some people opt for getting the external coating stripped off completely.
Hope that helps
Once again thanks for the sub
cheers
This was lovely, have my sub!
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Good on ya mate 🙌. It's because blokes like you, watch world is still honest to some degree. I would always consult with my mates if am to buy a famous watch and learn to make the dead face like businessmen to hide the excitement.
Hello, what a great strap on the white Seiko. Could you possibly share any information on the tan strap? I’d really like to look into this style. Thanks!
My heart breaks for Trevor. I couldn't imagine what he must have felt after your conversation. 😢
Yeah he was very distraught, like he just got a revelation that he'd been played. It was sad to witness it actually
Thank you Peter, i will always pay from the dealer.
Trevor deserves an oscar...
you on the money - why are so many people gullible
That's awful, poor chap. Good job Peter, if you are reading this "Trevor" unlucky mate, my sympathy, don't let it put you off & best wishes for the future mate. 👍🏻
great video, I am now subscribed, you sound like a genuinely nice bloke, cheers!
Thanks Sam
I just wouldn’t like to be in this guys position, so I wanted to help 🙏
Welcome aboard 👍
That's so heartbreaking!! Can you ask him for the name of that dodgy shop if he still remembers it or it's written on the receipt? I'm from Malaysia and i'll help returning a favor for him. Looking forward for the reply.
Good on you Pete, hopefully he won't be too burned and leave the watch community.
Man, my heart goes out to the guy. Huge props to you for being such a decent human being.
Is saving 2-3k worth a discount? I struggle with this all the time. I ordered directly from Omega but my wallet is crying 😭
Wow that is a harsh lesson for Trevor, especially while learning about this hobby that can clearly cost you dearly. I have the exact same Omega, which was direct from the AD, managed a decent discount with a free Wolf watch roll. There is just a certain value that i cant cut corners on unless your knowledgable, which thank fully i am, however for this kind of watch you want the best possible experience for your hard earned money!