I installed Stiffer Springs for My Tenere 700
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2024
- Will these 6.6 N/mm forks and 90 N/mm shock springs make a difference? In this video, I will show you the last modification that I did on my Tenere 700.
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Suspension upgrade is by far the best modification I've done on my 500x. Hagon, a British company, took my weight together with pillion and luggage and sent me a whole rear shock with a remote preload adjuster. This last bit has made switching between solo and loaded pillion a 2 minute job, and so much easier than before.
The ride difference is a revelation.
People spend hundreds on exhaust, crash protection and luggage etc, but ignore something that makes a massive difference.
Good topic.
Safe happy travels 👍
Absolutely agree! Thanks for sharing, Richard!
I also found that out on my bike. If youre going to do only one upgrade to your bike it should be to the fork springs. Because many forces when riding go through the front wheel's axle
Did the same on my Kawasaki W650 years ago. Fantastic. Made a huge difference. Hagon are the dog's danglies!
I am just about to order Hagon shocks glad I read this! Thank you.
Aaaah, all that „Balkanism“ is heartwarming:
double-quadruple stovepipe extension - check
Iskra retro phone - check
shabby (but somehow not too shabby) roads - check
Keep up the great work!
I will, thanks!
Hi Paulin. I am 77 kg , I started with just rear spring swap, got this "Uprated shock spring Yamaha Tenere 700, white, 85 N/mm Item #: SF-TTS-T700-85" fro German webshop. With no bag I got correct sag with zero preload , leaving space to whatever heavy rear bag. ... what a difference in riding ! Your spring rate/rider weight ratio is on a soft side i reckon. The rear end behaved awesomely with my new spring. I had plans to swap front springs and cartridges (to get rid of small hits from rocks), but... 2022 came and I had to sell my bikes, my house, garage and leave from Russia, but this is another story. Enjoy your rides !
Thanks for sharing!
Hello Pavlin. F*** the algorithms! Don’t be shy to make these types of mechanical videos 45 mins in duration. If like me, I’m confident your Subscribers will enjoy them as much as I do and make their favourite beverage last (or even have a sneaky second)!!! Keep up the good work….. you are certainly helping more than just one person. All the best.
Looks like my Ten700 will be getting some new springs at her next service!!!
Thanks, man!
What a difference!! At 17:40 I'm sure you notice how well balanced the front and rear of the bike are upon landing vs before. Great job on the camera work and your mechanic is the man!!
Yep. This is common with Yamaha's, the stock suspension is set up for a (by my North American standards anyways) light rider. In recent years I've owned a mt07, Tracer 900 GT, and Tenere 700. All three needed to be resprung, but the Tenere most of all. The soooooft stock springs are comfortable on the road, but they lead to weird handling under heavy acceleration or braking, and the suspension will bottom out easily even without jumping it.
The upside is you can look up the correct springs for your weight and riding style on Racetech's calculator, order the springs from anywhere online you like, then pull the forks/shock off and bring them into a shop to be resprung with minimal effort and basic tools (assuming you're not comfortable and lack the required specialty tools to do it yourself) for about 1.5 - 2 hours labour in total. Makes the respringing process surprisingly inexpensive.
Thanks for sharing!
But how do you know if the stock valving is good enough for stiffer springs?
What a nice garage, and even better if the mechanic knows the bike so well
Absolutely!
Good Science and always great to have a visit to Plamen's pro-shop !
Yes indeed!
Same upgrade I have done to my xt660z, now I decied to buy new tenere 700 but at the end I bought tenere 700 World Raid, this was the reason (among the others) I am exactly your size/weight. Thanks for video
Thanks for sharing!
Springs are very important especially for old bikes, heavy riders and carrying heavy loads. All three for me. I put Progressive springs and shocks on both of my old Wings. Huge improvement in handling and no bottoming. No other springs available for my Honda Falcon 400. Noticed mushy in the front and sagged a lot when I sat on it. When I had it apart for seals I added 19mm spacers on top of the springs. A piece of plastic pipe and a washer. Much improved.
Thanks for sharing!
I changed the valves, oil, springs, and rear shock of my Vstrom last year. The standard suspension did well enough on normal roads but it didn't cope on dirt roads. Now it is much better on dirt roads, but also a lot better on normal roads.
Thanks for sharing!
I weight the same as you , and had also to upgrade front and rear springs with the same rate. And it solved only one part of the problem, because, another problem is damping, hydraulics settings. T7 has a very bad setting.. That's why I had to go to Ohlins, front and rear, of course more expensive, but more effective ( another option here in France is EMC, sounds good ).
Whatever works for you.
I've been considering the amount exact same upgrade for my Super Tenere. They are known for soft springs, should be a good call
Go for it!
A Scott's steering damper is a good investment as well. Control the bars from kicking.
True, but don't have plans to buy it now.
I had the same experience with my Honda XL 1000. Especially with 2 people and a full load, the rear wheel suspension was overwhelmed. I installed a specially adapted Wilbes shock absorber. It was a good decision. Perhaps just another spring would have sufficed.
All the best for 2023 and greetings from Germany.
Thanks for sharing!
I've used Off The Road for a lot of my parts especially suspension. It is duty and vat free for me and shipping is very reasonable and timely 5 days to door in USA. Where would you find a bumpy road in Bulgaria. Like Kentucky everyday you turn. I knew the changes would make a huge difference. Glad it worked out for you. Fork seals. SKF are the slick ones dust and slider. Those covers are worth their weight in gold. Used them on all my bikes since the 70's. Safe riding
Thanks for taking the time again, Sam!
Pavlin this is the best video in UA-cam regarding Tenere 700 suspension. I was looking YAMAHA's website and now they offer the ohlins springs, I think I will order them.
Glad to help!
Great video, Pavlin, and probably an upgrade I will need to address in the future....Thank you! All the best for a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2023....ride safe!
Thanks for taking the time again Allen!
I’ve watched the video till the end. This a very interesting topic for many riders, thanks for sharing 👍
Much appreciated!
For sure springs make huge difference !
Yes!
I've hyperpro kits fitted to 2 of my bikes, the difference to stock suspension is incredible. People spend €€€€ on exhausts and cosmetic upgrades but for me suspension is always first. Then heated grips 👍👍
Totally agree!
I was wondering when you were finally going to do this. Many Japanese manufacturers have designed the spring rate only up to 75 kg rider weight. (All small Japanese) 😁 On my ZX14R I immediately installed a different shock absorber Öhlins TTX39, the best on the market, with hydraulic spring preload. When I ride with my wife or with luggage...then adjust according to weight. Greetings from Germany
Thanks for sharing!
But yamaha is for mjnimum 180cm tall rider. So why used springs on 70kg weight? 90 percent have to change that garbage . Yamhaha should make service action on that. Or utilise that garbage around the world. They knew when it was enginered that they put garbage springs. And other garbage staff in this motorcycle.
Could you please share your preferred suspension recipe ( how many clicks you set it to on the different adjustable parts) thank you 🙏
I am curious too. Esppecialy the rebound settings
I recently did this work and all measurements on the front and rear of my 2016 Tiger Sport 1050. I weigh around 93kg (105kg in gear) and the stock triumph springs especially the fork springs were way to soft. I went from 6N/mm to 9N/mm and in the front and I changed the rear stock spring 15kg/mm to an old blackbird spring 16,9kg/mm. I made myself a measuring tool with my drillpress and my bathroomscale, so I knew exactly what changes I was making. After the changes my riders sag was spot on and the bike was completely changed for the better
Thanks for sharing!
Well if you just look at 2022 World Raid T7, you'll see they one of the changes is the springs, so you are correct in your changes.
World Raid is also set for 70-80 kg riders.
I liked progressive replacement springs on my previous Tenere a lot: both on and offroad handling improved very much. I am not sure if I will do this on the T700 because I am 75 kg and so far so good. I would choose progressive replacement springs if I were to upgrade the stock suspension.
Fair enough!
Literally first thing i did after buying T7. It’s a must have if you are 100+ kg rider
I won't say must have. Maybe good to have.
Excellent video thank you for the details on the spring rates I have just purchased a 2024 Tenera
Glad it helped!
I put 63N fork springs and 85N shock spring.. I weigh 220 lbs and ride with up to extra 30lbs of gear. I have good midrange adjustability in shock. My fork spring is at full preload and is okay, but will update front spring to next stiffer level. I ride pavement to street, fire road, jeep trail and desert whoops. All of it. In desert whoops, I occasionally tap the fork bottom. New fork spring should cure this. I think your shock spring may be too stiff..
Good!
Thanks Man for the good video. My CRF1000l have same problem. I to same upgrade like you. Keep going.
Glad it helped!
Thanks so much for this show.
We all learn so much from you shows an get a massive amount of inspiration an confidence to do our own thing.
Great job, keep um commin.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️🏍️
Thx for the video. So the springs are the first things one should replace to improve suspension?
Yes!
Hmm 🤔, this may have to be the first upgrade I do on my new T7. Thanks!
You should!
I am in process of changing mine front and rear. If sized according to you weight and load riding style they will be great. Like a new machine under you. Happy New Year and safe travels
Good luck!
Its a common thing that manufacturers take the average person around 80kg (by example KTM Does also like that) and who weighs only 80kg with gear? Nearly nobody. By you, the too soft springs had too little air chambers to compensate that. Also i guess you had strong compression to help compensate. With the right springload, original clicks will work miracoulisly :-)
Thank you for your explicit videos, helps a lot more than all those "short" Videos.
Greez from Switzerland
Glad to help!
IMO The T700 needs a complete $3000 suspension upgrade when you buy it... not just springs. Thats why the KTM 890R is worth the extra money since it comes with race ready suspension (among other things).
I am alright with only 200 euros
Excellent video! Thank you for the info.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was a very important and informative video... Thank you for making it.
My pleasure!
hi, do you think it is possible do two up very loaded with 2 panniers and topcase long trip with upgraded 95N rear spring and front upgraded aswell? :) We are 105kg and 70kg, thank you!
You took your time to see what improvements you needed compared to the stock suspension . Excellent result ,Pavlin . I wonder if your mechanic Plamen ,will do a similar upgrade also ?
He is about 80kg, but after he tried my Tenere start considering it.
Great video! What tires are those?
Hi Pavlin! Do you notice any decrease in comfort when driving on road? Regardas from Portugal!
It is the opposite. Hard springs - soft ride.
@@motorcycleadventures thank you! 👍
Thank you, very usefull expirience by first person. Many thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
If you're heavier than usual AND ride more extrems trails, you have to change stock suspension. Cranking up preload is only a workaround. Most of the time it's a costly affair, because normally you have to change compression/rebound damping, too. Funny enough on my Beta Alp 200 (not exactly a hightech bike) we had to use softer springs front and back due to single riding instead of two-up. Thanks for showing, Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video Pavlin as usual 👍👍and a Happy New year 👍
Happy new year!
Great video, thank you. Having one question - if you could would you go for even stiffer splings? You saying this is about 20% stiffer setup. Would you go 30% if you could choose now?
No, because it would compromise road comfort.
@@motorcycleadventures thank you.. greetings from California
Thanks, man!
I was thinking about similar upgrade on my bike as well. Thanks for the video. I'm convinced now it is worth it :-)
Glad I could help!
Would have been interesting to see the jumps with (original spring) maximum dampening before changing the springs.
The footage "before" was with the original springs.
Bonsoir Pavel, meilleurs vœux 2023 ! comment tu as trouvé le changement sur la route !? pour ma part, j'ai fait l'arrière et bientôt la fourche.
la différence est surprenante sur l'arrière j'use le pneu normalement ! avant impossible de balancer la moto dans les virages... (85nm)
est ce que l'ensemble te convient !? à quelle pression d'air tu roules !? je vous souhaite pleins de beaux voyages ....
All good now. 2.2 bar
@@motorcycleadventures Merci pour le retour !
Any time!
Hello again!
90 Nm is not too strong?, no shake?no back pain? have you ever thought that maybe an 85Nm rear spring would have been enough?
90Nm is good for my weight.
Wouldn't be so worried about exploding cartridges. If you run out of stroke it's much more likely to make you lose control of your bike, especially going through ruts in corners.
True!
Excellent video! I wonder why Yamaha's stock springs are for people 80 KG. max. I would guess most men with riding gear weigh more than that. One would think they would increase it a bit. But now I know there is a solution should I have a problem. I am planning on purchasing a T7 soon. I am getting older, and my big R1200gsa was just getting too heavy for me to ride. Thanks for your excellent videos Pavlin.
Glad to help!
176.36 pounds
Believe it or not, i talked to the lead project manager of the tenere 700. He was very suprised when i told him that the bike is very popular in europe. I think in some cases, since Yamaha is japanese, they designed the bike for the japanese market. And the average asian weights 60-70kg so there you have it. Should they change that for other markets? Yes^^
Hi Pailin, Happy New Year to you and your family. Thank you again for great instructional video. I don’t have the Tenere, but the XSR 700 and like you have changed the front and rear suspension. They are designed for the average Japanese rider nearly half our weight 🤭. I went for K Tech. set up and it’s a very different bike. Spent my money on that first, pretty thing later. Save travels on your next adventure 🍻
Thanks for sharing!
I’m 95 KG and opted for 6.6N/mm front and 90N/mm rear, but thinking of going up to a 95 rear spring.
The standard damping is too soft for the higher spring rates, so I also had K Tech piston kits fitted.
Ok
The standard damping with the 90N/mm rear spring I put in shortly after getting my bike was too much for the standard damping, especially the compression and had it all the way in and I think about 2 clicks out on the rebound, so if your a heavier rider it just can’t cope.
The K Tech piston kits as a mid priced option that is a lot cheaper than replacing cartridges and shock, and for my use the best return for the price.
Good to know.
@@bryansuperduke1290r how do you find the on road manners of the Ktech compared to stock
@@mbams119 I’ve not gone on trip yet, so only road mikes so far.
It’s lots better with correct springs, and more damping, as I had the rebound on fully in on both shock and forks.
It’s not diving as much under braking, or squatting under acceleration now, and picks up the front wheel when accelerating.
What tires are you running with your new suspension?
Hi Pavlin! Another excelente Video! Thank you. Did you notice that the T7 gets taller with the new spings? Or stays the same height as the original springs? Thank you!
Maybe 1 cm
the before and after jump looked very similar to me
Well...they are not. Keep in mind that the suspension has the same travel, only the springs are different.
Hi nice video.
Measurement on the front are not true measurements if you didn't stretch the topuot spring by pulling the wheel down.
Oem cartridge doesn't provide enough hydraulic support.
Enjoy the ride and if you can revalve go for it! Ktech does nice valving
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks for watching!
Is the stock valving good enough for stiffer springs? Would you be better off getting cartidges and springs with adjustable preload? Buy once cry once? Or were the springs just fine by themselves?
It would be better, but also the price will raise a lot.
Thanks a lot Pavlin. Another great video! Do you know by chance if the oil and dust seals from Tenere 700 fit the older sister XT660Z?
No they don't!
@@motorcycleadventures Ah that's a shame, thanks a lot for the advice!
Very interesting as all of your videos 😜 please could you confirm if that was a Mitas endruro 07 on the front
Yes
Excellent video. I need to adjust my T7 springs as I have same weight requirements as you. Thank you for explaining all this. How may languages do you speak? Thanks!
Glad to help!
Congratulation Pavlin 👍
Thanks!
Did you stay with the standard recommended clicker settings on the rear after the spring upgrade Pailin ?
Yes.
Just received the 90N/mm rear spring. I'm around 103 Kg with gear on. I just hope it will not be too stiff 🙂
It will be all right. I am the same weight without the gear.
What do you think now? Rear is too stiff? Do you consider an 85Nm was better?
@@ionutd84 I lost some weight so, a 85N/mm might be better now. I will lower the bike with 20mm and 90N/mm will be ok.
@@erhard7450 in românește cred ca ne înțelegem mai bine. Deci la 93 kg ale mele, in urma experientei tale, mi-ai recomanda de 85Nmm pentru mai mult confort?
@@ionutd84 It's not so much about the comfort it's about the sag. Depending where you buy the springs from, there should be a selector where the spring rate is recommended for your weight. I bought mine from OTR just like Pavlin.
I like the longer videos 💯
Good!
Hello Pavlin and Happy New Year,
Yamaha Tenere owners will surely appreciate this video. I saw that you put MITAS EO7 (Dakar?) on your bike. As You ride a lot on all types of terrain, it would be nice to give us a little feedback on these tires when you have worn them out.
Thanks in advance and happy future travels.
I will! I smashed many Mitas 07 and 07+ tires, but this is Dakar version. So far, I am not impressed at all. The rubber is two hard, but will see.
@@motorcycleadventures Thank you for answering. I will wait for your conclusions. Yes the rubber on the Dakar is hard and slippery in the rain but it lasts (almost) forever. Anyway, that's my experience, but it's incomplete. I know I'm abusing it, but a comparison with the non-Dakar Mitas E07+ would also be welcome..
Did yoy have the rear springs as stiff ss they could be before you chajged the shocks?
I did not change the shock, only the spring.
the front spring is presented as being 2 steps stronger and the rear spring is given as being 3 steps stronger. is there any imbalance of the motorcycle?
No!
I have bought these ones aswell, except front 6.3 (just need to change them, but in no hurry, winter is long). Did you reassemble front forks completely because you wanted to service these fully?
What you mean? How do you plan to change the springs without open the forks?
@@motorcycleadventures i mean this ua-cam.com/video/7GhCd0euGGA/v-deo.html . Ok, i havent been really looked into how it is for Tenere, but for my other bikes, to just change springs and oil, you dont need to remove everthing, open caps, open that nut that is right behind caps and pretty much thats it.
You still need to remove the big nut underneath and also I needed to change the oil.
Hello Pavlin, Attention OFF the Road (OTR Performance Cologne) wanted to cheat me off. I saw your video about new suspension, I am same like you as weight and height. Then I ordered the same springs and Motul oil like you from OTR Cologne and I asked if the springs could be exchanged from OTR for my fork and shock absorber and they said yes. I dismantled my forks and shock absorber and sent them to OTR Cologne by post. Then I wait long time and I make a lot of pressure for the work to be done, my forks and rear spring were returned like have new springs. Then I opened my package and in the package were the Motul oil from the fork in the original canister, not in the fork how was ordered and I look at my shock absorber was not untouched, the spring was not exchanged. Then I measured the spring, I got the masses from your video, the OEM spring was 11.51 mm, then the spring was not exchanged, as i realized. OTR spring 90 N / mm with 12.98 mm thick as you wrote was not on the rear spring, then it was clear to me. I called and asked what happened and they told me need to check. Then confirmed was not exchanged because they seen I had an idea about mechanics. I was in business and spoke to the manager and he told me he doesn't care what other people do in their business. He tries to convince me with different lies like in kindergarten. Also, in the store no one seems to have a clue about the moto bike and what's going on in the shop with the orders. I won't buy anything from OFF THE ROAD again or recommend anyone.
Sorry to hear about your experience, Daniel! The parts are good, and the shipping is also, but I never recommended anyone to use their garage service. I even didn't know that they have such a service.
I have already bring the fork and the shock absorber to the Yamaha representative to do what OTR did not do.
I'm trying to come to the meeting 2 days in May to Balkan Adventure Group (AG) Annual Meet Up in Bulgaria 2023, I would like to come all 4 days, but I have an appointment to the dentist.
See you there!
Small change but such a big difference.
Absolutely!
23 minutes felt like 5 minute video because it was so educational.
Good!
Its possible to swap the front springs without removing the forks, takes about half hour.
I didnt change the oil though.
Ок
I think the original oil is too thick
Upgrading the ergonomics is much cheaper than changing the bike - my BMW F700GS is now tailormade😂
True!
what brand of springs did you use?
Thank you
www.off-the-road.de/en/tenere-700/wear-parts/suspension/141292/uprated-fork-springs-linear-yamaha-tenere-700?number=GF-OTR-T700-66&c=82
hello, why did you choose linear springs instead of progressive? this year i would like to also change/improve my suspension on T7
Linear
@@motorcycleadventures yes, i know, but why?
The stock is linear, that's why.
7:08 what happed with the aluminium mounting poin of your chain roller? I see there big damage and I want to know how can i avoid it i my tenere :)
Nothing! It is chain spray.
How much $$ does this upgrade cost?
220 euros for the springs and money for your mechanic. In every country will be different. You can do it also alone.
@@motorcycleadventures thank you
I m interested just for the rear spring,ratio driver weight 110 kg plus pilion pkus lagguage..how mouch is the price??
Go and check it out, link in the description.
Thank you very much.
Any time!
Were the springs non-progressive? It looked like the case.
Yes, they are linear.
How much difference was it in the front springs?
Could u change front and back or is it enough to just change rear?
You need to change both.
@@motorcycleadventures even if its brand new bike?
If you are heavy and want a better handling, yes, but it is not necessary in any way.
Thanks! 🎉
We don't weigh like factory riders. We are real world men.
True
Sansacional quais as especificações das molas dianteiras e traseira?? Saudações .
Front 6.6 Nm, rear 90Nm
thanks for it i will buy from it for my suzuki if it have thanks man you have a cafe from me for this
Any time!
Another Great Video Amigo 🤠👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent!
Many thanks!
TOP video.
Did you consider progressive springs?
No!
@@motorcycleadventures why? I’m curious. Do you consider normal ones are better?
I think that progressive springs work better in a normal forks, for USD is different.
The problem is, the T7 isn't a dirt bike. It's a too tall street bike. Start treating it like a dirt bike and all sorts of bad things happen. The fork seals don't, the rear shock doesn't, the adjusters don't do squat, the deep oil sump gives a high CG and poor swing arm angles. The whole bike is a bean counters compromise. The only thing good about it is the looks.
After own it for two years and rode it almost everywhere you cannot convince me in this. Yes, it is not dirt bike, but it will work in any condition almost perfect.
This is the way
Good!
I thought that 'this madness had to stop!' 🙃
Some mods worth the money, but you have to know which!
@@motorcycleadventures totally agreed👊
I made a few mistakes in this video, but I found them later, during the editing and it was too late to correct them. The numbers that I gave are wrong. The calculation needed to be with the Tenere suspension travel which is 220mm front and 200mm rear. Then the numbers will be completely different and everything will make sense. Also, static sag is when the bike stands on its tires, and race sag is when you sit on it. Someone even corrected me in the comments, thanks! Anyway, the riding test explained everything. Plamen also test the Tenere with the new springs and confirmed my words.
wollte ich auch gerade schreiben ☺️
Easy to measure suspension travel with a partner if you can balance the bike on its side stand.
Was just about to make this exact comment. You need to measure the suspension travel. So 6cm out of 21cm front is about right (28.5%). 9cm out of 20cm on the back is 45%, so you should change because the rear spring is too soft for your weight.
This video should be very helpful for any rider. The 1st thing I noticed was, like you mentioned, the way to calculate sag. I had to replace the suspension on my BMW R1200 GSA, but since BMW couldn't service them I decided to get Ohlins suspension (they were a little cheaper than original BMW and readily available). When I ordered them I could enter my weight and the weight of the luggage, it made all the difference. I never needed to adjust the preload, and they are easily serviceable. So yes, stock suspension sometimes has its limits and needs to be upgraded.
Probably you had air in the forks with stock ones. That's why rider sag seemed to be fine. New front setup will also create air over the years. Just bleed them from the top caps while there's no load on them.
i prefer longer and detailed video
Good!
6.6 front and 90 rear?
Exactly!
@@motorcycleadventures I have the same Springs. remember to turn the rebound down and the compression up a few clicks
I left it in the middle
I weigh 73kg so stock springs are okay.
Yes!
👍
Thanks!
🤦♂🤣 Looks much more planted, now. Less bouncy.
Yes!
Tenere T7 more more money and finaly it’s more expensive than Ducati! 2023 new T7 cost in Europe 11’600Euro, expensive bike without option.
It is still the cheapest on its category and don't forget readability - it will save you a lot of money in long term.