Atheists Won't Believe This Intelligent Design Evidence

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  • Get ready to be blown away, atheists, by the most convincing proof of intelligent design. So convincing, in fact, that it was uploaded to youtube and no news casters have found it...
    But maybe they just don't understand? Take a look for yourself...
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  • @PabloSanchez-qu6ib
    @PabloSanchez-qu6ib Рік тому +218

    A scientist using the word "evolutionist" immediately makes me discount anything else he says.

    • @DistinctiveBlend
      @DistinctiveBlend Рік тому +12

      That's what an evolutionist would say!

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas Рік тому +9

      @@DistinctiveBlend lol.

    • @JoeySchmidt74
      @JoeySchmidt74 Рік тому +22

      That and a mention of being affiliated with the discovery institute.

    • @monodescarado
      @monodescarado Рік тому +24

      @@JoeySchmidt74 I hadn’t heard of the Discovery Institute until now. I just went to check out their site and I think my eyes rolled so far back in my head I nearly had a seizure.

    • @JoeySchmidt74
      @JoeySchmidt74 Рік тому +15

      @@monodescarado Professor Dave does some remarkable tearing down of their rhetoric.

  • @TisButAScratch666
    @TisButAScratch666 Рік тому +133

    This guy has a physics and engineering degree from a prestigious institution. How dare we question his expertise in biology! The next time my dog gets sick I will totally be taking her to see my local architect. Always use an expert people!

    • @katieheys3007
      @katieheys3007 Рік тому +22

      I'm glad someone else thought this. Having a doctorate doesn't make you an expert in anything other than your field.

    • @jeremykoehnlein2158
      @jeremykoehnlein2158 Рік тому +21

      To be fair, he did say “the electromagnetic force that keeps protons and neutrons together.” So I’m not even sure he’s a physicist. You’d think an expert in physics would at least know the fundamental forces.

    • @user-cr4pz5yg7y
      @user-cr4pz5yg7y Рік тому +16

      Having a physics and engineering degree does not even make him a credible physicist,nor, especially, agood engineer. My dad was an excellent engineer. Only a small bit of that was his education. More on his ability to realize when he was wrong or under informed, and get better info. My dad died only caring that people did not get hurt or die on his designs. Christians only care, as long as god is giving them points.

    • @thembnkosi5291
      @thembnkosi5291 Рік тому +5

      Rodger that mate!!😅👍

    • @TheMargarita1948
      @TheMargarita1948 Рік тому +1

      @@katieheys3007 usually a very tiny slice of the field.

  • @knarf_on_a_bike
    @knarf_on_a_bike Рік тому +214

    So the guy saying the eye is well-designed is. . . wearing glasses? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @martinmckee5333
      @martinmckee5333 Рік тому +22

      It seems to be an unwritten requirement for making that particular argument.
      Bespectacled people seem to use it at a rate well over chance.

    • @xipheonj
      @xipheonj Рік тому +22

      Don't forget the all-in-one argument when things aren't perfect! Adam and Eve ate the fruit, we're now a fallen people, all flaws are a result. We were cursed with disease and poor eye sight by the infinitely vengeful sky daddy.

    • @theflyingdutchguy9870
      @theflyingdutchguy9870 Рік тому +14

      jup. just shows how much they are willing to bend their brain to make it seem realistic. i dont know how they do it. the cognetive dissonence is insanely strong

    • @knarf_on_a_bike
      @knarf_on_a_bike Рік тому +8

      @Jeff Scott Ah, so it's free will then, is it? Yeah, so glad sky daddy gave us free will. Thanks for that, god!

    • @jasonsabbath6996
      @jasonsabbath6996 Рік тому +2

      😂🤣😂🤣

  • @Azrdraco
    @Azrdraco Рік тому +83

    If mold grows on food in my fridge, does that mean that my fridge was designed to grow mold?

    • @Raven-um2wf
      @Raven-um2wf Рік тому +10

      According to him yes

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  Рік тому +22

      Here’s a friendly reminder to clean your fridge!

    • @LDrosophila
      @LDrosophila Рік тому +4

      great point

    • @Wolf-ln1ml
      @Wolf-ln1ml Рік тому +10

      "See, atheists now actually think that humans are mold!" - some creationist's reaction (probably) 🤪

    • @Azrdraco
      @Azrdraco Рік тому +3

      @@Wolf-ln1ml Lol! You know it. 😆

  • @mrandrat625
    @mrandrat625 Рік тому +150

    I've said it too many times..
    The denial or lack of evidence for one thing is not evidence for another thing.

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 Рік тому +15

      And that's some of the craziest things about a lot of apologist arguments. For one they believe if they can poke holes in arguments that stem from scientific data, they've disproved the actual scientific data. Then they also believe that automatically proves everything they believe is correct.

    • @EdwardHowton
      @EdwardHowton Рік тому +8

      @@terrencelockett4072 It's because it isn't about a sincere quest for truth, it's about giving the sheep a warm comfy blanket to hide under. Provide *_A_* response, no matter what it is or how immediately stupid it sounds; as long as the cultists can ball their fists and nod their heads in agreement the _response_ has done its job.
      I used to mildly exaggerate for comedic effect about how they could literally just make fart noises and it would still work, but... well... Billy Craig went there with "I lower the bar!", so it turns out I wasn't exaggerating at all.

    • @Dr.JustIsWrong
      @Dr.JustIsWrong Рік тому +3

      @@EdwardHowton _"make fart noises and it would still work, but..."_
      I've found this too..
      Q. "Why?"
      A. "Because, _[noises]"_
      Q2. "Oh, okay. Here's some money."

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +1

      Well, I tested his "hypothesis" and I shoved his god in my coffee and nothing changed. I took it out again and nothing changed; I didn't even lose a drop of coffee that could've stuck to this god. Gods are completely useless extra steps that we should skip.
      If you do something completely useless _seeming,_ at least make it something fun and preferably fun you can share, like stirring your coffee with a dildo instead of a spoon. Yes, I don't have dildos in my kitchen drawer so I'll have to go upstairs to get one, but it's so dumb and harmless it makes at least one person smirk like a stupid idiot :p And that's a win.
      And I don't have to gaslight, manipulate, or threaten anyone for it - that is a huge loss for all theistic gods and religions.

    • @Dr.JustIsWrong
      @Dr.JustIsWrong Рік тому

      @@stylis666 _"stirring your coffee with a dildo"_
      Thank you soo much! 😡 Arse!
      My coffee over flowed, dildo got stuck in the mug, and the whole thing flopped off the table when I ran for paper towels..
      My dog's high on floor coffee, my favorite mug's busted, and I'm trying to floss out caffeinated paper towel bits..
      I hate you so much right now..
      At least the dildo still.. ..OH!.. ..oh my!

  • @BlackburnBigdragon
    @BlackburnBigdragon Рік тому +177

    These guys are essentially making the argument that you can't eventually get to 1000 by adding 1, and then adding 1 again, and adding 1 again... on repeat.

    • @vpheonix
      @vpheonix Рік тому +14

      I was going to make a similar analagy with speed and accelleration but you beat me to it.

    • @DavidRichardson153
      @DavidRichardson153 Рік тому +14

      What I find more funny about this is that it is pretty much every kid's first attempt at counting to 1000. We all have been in that one game of hide-and-seek that literally went on all day (or all week, if the kid doing the counting ever lost count).
      Who would have thought that kids unknowingly figured out evolution this way? Well, not apologists, apparently.

    • @freddan6fly
      @freddan6fly Рік тому +13

      Or can understans seconds but reject years. I don't think they can count beyond five.

    • @capthavic
      @capthavic Рік тому +17

      I like my hourglass analogy, they look at it and assume all the sand appeared at the bottom magically rather than a slow gradual flow from the top.

    • @EdwardHowton
      @EdwardHowton Рік тому +1

      Cults do that to cultists. I remember interacting with one guy who said evolution was impossible because of "genetic limits". Refused to accept the fact that there's no such thing. Apologists create a fake foundational lie and then build other lies on top of them. Convince them that evolution requires big jumps and then lie about how it can't explain those big jumps and you get cultists trapped in misinformation. Any attempt to prove that's nonsense runs against TWO barriers, so any fact looks outnumbered by all their Wrong.
      It's frankly genius in an evil way, but that's the result of thousands of years of evolution of cult defense mechanisms winning the arms race against reality.

  • @capthavic
    @capthavic Рік тому +64

    "Darwinism" is just the name used as a blanket term for evolution and any science that goes against creationism. Because they can't seem to think outside of religious structures, so to them Darwin is like our prophet or something idk...

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  Рік тому +14

      He’s second in line to LtRG, LBuH

    • @MrCanis4
      @MrCanis4 Рік тому +3

      And why don't they say mohammedism or smithism. Or even jesusism?

  • @cattheveganartist
    @cattheveganartist Рік тому +58

    If eyes were “optimally designed” he’d not need those glasses! 😂

    • @norbertjendruschj9121
      @norbertjendruschj9121 Рік тому +5

      Ah, these guys believe we all degraded since the fall. So Eve´s apple is responsible that opticians can make a living.

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +2

      @@norbertjendruschj9121 JW's once told me to imagine a cake baked in a dented tin.
      I love mom jokes, but there's a line you don't cross - she has intelligence, just like I do; I got it from her.
      But more importantly, their religion gives the "cure" for my mom's fallibility _instead_ of focusing on her ability to learn and teach me to learn by example. They want you to focus on the impossibility to be perfect and they gaslight you by saying that any imperfections in your body are because of behavioural problems and a lack of faith. It's much darker and harmful than people think it is. This isn't even scratching the top layer of the snow on the tip of the iceberg.

    • @norbertjendruschj9121
      @norbertjendruschj9121 Рік тому

      @@stylis666 I don´t agree. Besides, Christianity is so stupid, I can only tolerate it by making fun of it.

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому

      @@norbertjendruschj9121 Do you tolerate AIDS, cancer and earthquakes as well?

    • @norbertjendruschj9121
      @norbertjendruschj9121 Рік тому

      @@stylis666 Please, explain me, in which regard AIDS, cancer and earthquakes can be called stupid?

  • @brassman7599
    @brassman7599 Рік тому +107

    Creationists never seem to recognize that every time they try to argue against evolution they inevitably end up arguing against creation. Their strawman arguments always end up beckfiring on them.

    • @Lordidude
      @Lordidude Рік тому

      How so?

    • @jason00121
      @jason00121 Рік тому +9

      And it’s always the same arguments that have failed countless times already…

    • @asagoldsmith3328
      @asagoldsmith3328 Рік тому +20

      ​@@Lordidudebecause creationists inevitably have to posit a super-hyper-accelerated version of evolution in order to explain how we have the countless millions of animal species today after their flood myth a few thousand years ago.

    • @ronrolfsen3977
      @ronrolfsen3977 Рік тому +4

      I am not sure if they argue against creation, but they do seem to argue against there god. Even at this point if they proof creation, they are far away from proving God. I mean our universe as well just be something like a booger to a being that lives outside our time and space. Something you wipe away and do not think about anymore.

    • @Cat_Woods
      @Cat_Woods Рік тому +3

      And even if we didn't have so much evidence that precludes the Genesis flood, for creationists to be correct about the age of the earth would require a rate of evolution hundreds of thousands of times faster than it actually occurred.

  • @kokos9652
    @kokos9652 Рік тому +37

    well, if time began with the big bang, then yes, the universe has existed FOREVER

  • @gabryalservus157
    @gabryalservus157 Рік тому +83

    Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare. So perfect!

    • @rickn8or
      @rickn8or Рік тому

      Or, more likely, our central source for heat and light gives us skin cancer.

    • @t800fantasm2
      @t800fantasm2 Рік тому +5

      Damn..... Missed the Gamma Ray burst in my list...
      Thank you... Updating now....

    • @AndrewHalliwell
      @AndrewHalliwell Рік тому +10

      So absolutely perfectly designed for us, only 30% of the surface of an infinitely small dot is able to sustain us without a lot of leaping through increasingly difficult hoops...

    • @tanglewife
      @tanglewife Рік тому

      Yes, but maybe if there weren't any gays, God would have made us a safer planet..? 😂

    • @SilverMKI
      @SilverMKI Рік тому +7

      To be fair if we have iron chariots we can combat gods plan to wipe us out, since he is powerless against them.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot Рік тому +47

    Theists are constantly going on and on about Darwin and Richard Dawkins. They really seem to think that those two are atheist versions of jebus🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 Рік тому +21

      That's the problem with dogmatic thinking. They don't/can't understand people, basically, thinking for themselves, and think we just take certain works as gospel or certain people or ideas are beyond reproach.

    • @DudeTheMighty
      @DudeTheMighty Рік тому +11

      Their worldview is built on the words of prophets. They don't know anything else.
      It's not surprising that they assume we think the same way.

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 Рік тому +7

      And one of the ways it seems like that to me is how they mostly just use quotes from atheists like that, as a way to claim what all atheists are supposed to believe or something.

    • @vinnyganzano1930
      @vinnyganzano1930 Рік тому +8

      The irony is that Darwin, typical of most people in 19th century Britain was a devout Christian.
      Biggest difference between him and the so called scientist in this video, Darwin could actually use his brain.

    • @Lordidude
      @Lordidude Рік тому

      ​@Vinny Ganzano this was debunked. Darwin was clearly an atheist.

  • @MrKyle81
    @MrKyle81 Рік тому +25

    I wonder what Forrest Valkai would have to say about his claim that biologists are abandoning evolution in favor of intelligent design...

    • @stevewebber707
      @stevewebber707 Рік тому +12

      Possibly that there are people that are educated in biology that believe such things. But Science doesn't work on what it's participants believe. It works with what they can show.
      Speaking of what scientists believe, instead of the science itself, is essentially an admission that they don't have the science to back up the claims.

    • @vinnyganzano1930
      @vinnyganzano1930 Рік тому +8

      He'd call it out for the bullshit it is.

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner Рік тому +4

      You mean after he got done laughing?

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 Рік тому

      ?

  • @franklinbarrett4630
    @franklinbarrett4630 Рік тому +35

    When the host mentioned The Discovery Institute, all became clear.

    • @Mike_Pork
      @Mike_Pork Рік тому +5

      I was going to say the exact same thing, you beat me to it 👍
      Anyone claiming to be a "serious scientist" associated with DI can pretty much be dismissed as a fraud/liar without further discussion, really.

  • @markrothenbuhler6232
    @markrothenbuhler6232 Рік тому +19

    I can guarantee that Dr. Miller has never had a scientific paper published on intelligent design. So this is misplaced authority and dramatic wishful thinking.

    • @TheDeath138
      @TheDeath138 Рік тому +6

      Not to mention, he's talking about things from fields that he has no business pretending to be an authority on.

  • @LuciferAlmighty
    @LuciferAlmighty Рік тому +19

    I guess he forgot the part where oxygen was toxic to much early life

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +9

      Technically it still is toxic - humans (and most other complex life) are just adapted to handle the toxicity in moderate doses... which is why oxygen poisoning is a real thing that can happen if you consume more pure oxygen than your body can handle - a potential hazard for example for scuba divers.

  • @Dloin
    @Dloin Рік тому +29

    "we have a decorated professional scientist here. So just let him deal with random quotes. That will show the atheists!"

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +2

      _Rain falls equally on the virtuous and the wicked._ - some dead person.

  • @jesuslegrand8469
    @jesuslegrand8469 Рік тому +27

    Watching that guy speak even in the edited bits is more painful than an ice enema...

    • @lynettekomidar2819
      @lynettekomidar2819 Рік тому +2

      haha I followed every word he said and I call word salad

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +3

      ...How do you know what an ice enema feels like...?

    • @vinnyganzano1930
      @vinnyganzano1930 Рік тому +2

      ​@@LadyDoomsinger You probably don't want to know.

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому

      @@vinnyganzano1930 I dunno... Might be an interesting experience, I've never tried it.

    • @frederickvondinkerberg7721
      @frederickvondinkerberg7721 Рік тому

      Which one?? The host who looks like he's had plastic surgery and is reacting to a peanut allergy at the same time or the guy with the Phd's?

  • @pencilpauli9442
    @pencilpauli9442 Рік тому +32

    Top scientists, philosophers, theologians, bus conductors and tea ladies are now saying that the universe was created when the Great Cosmic Giraffe farted it into existence.
    Erm...waddaya mean, who are these people...I don't have to give sources. You just take my word for it these top people said what I just said.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому +2

      I always listen to the tea ladies. They're a lot friendlier than the apologists, rarely talk as much nonsense, and always keep me up to date with the gossip. Plus they make excellent tea, without which I can't function. But I can function without idiotic apologetics.

    • @imwelshjesus
      @imwelshjesus Рік тому +1

      @@RichWoods23 And the great of their 'kind' throw in choccy cookies.

  • @martinconnelly1473
    @martinconnelly1473 Рік тому +11

    I spent a lot of my working life in design meetings and one thing we regularly aimed to do was design out complexity as it was usually something that added cost and was more likely to fail than something cheap and simple.

  • @ianchisholm5756
    @ianchisholm5756 Рік тому +9

    Imagine an island 100 miles square. 99.99 square miles are covered in boiling lava, and some creatures live in the remaining 5 and a quarter square feet. It is obvious to everyone that the island was built and optimised specifically for those creatures.

  • @Xelger
    @Xelger Рік тому +11

    I am sick of the assertion that life couldn't exist with differing variables, because it strongly implies that they created worlds with these differing variables, waited billions of years, and concluded they didn't work out, then repeated the process with more tweaks a bunch of times.

  • @bradypustridactylus488
    @bradypustridactylus488 Рік тому +6

    That is so stupid that it has to be deliberate disingenuousness. Nobody can be that wrong on that many issues out of sheer ignorance.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin Рік тому

      Always remember, Christians are perfectly willing to lie to bring people to Jeebus.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому +1

      But it's wilful ignorance, or perhaps more accurately motivated reasoning. The god belief was there first.

  • @darth-imperius
    @darth-imperius Рік тому +8

    Religious people are getting more tiresome by the day. 😒🙄😣

  • @mjjoe76
    @mjjoe76 Рік тому +65

    So first the guy with a PhD in physics talks about biology, then he jumps feet first into the same old Kalam cosmological argument. I understand why he isn’t teaching at an accredited institution.
    Edit: Oh, geez, and the fine-tuning argument? Can his degree be revoked?

    • @naruarthur
      @naruarthur Рік тому +14

      if an astrophysicist says the earth is flat, he will still be wrong, a professional saying something stupid does not make that idea less stupid, the fact he had to lie about evolution and biologists shows he is completely wrong in this subject, regardless of his formation

    • @capthavic
      @capthavic Рік тому +10

      Ugh yeah I can't stand the kalam stuff, some of the most insufferable masturbatory bull crap I've ever heard. Anytime someone brings it up I want to headbutt a brick wall rather than listen to it again.

    • @naruarthur
      @naruarthur Рік тому +12

      @@capthavic if someone is talking about it and you can answer, use the same line of reasoning to provem them you are their father
      1-every human need a father
      2-you are human
      C- therefore i am you father
      once they understand the ridiculousness of the jump to that conclusion they will see how dumb the argument for god is

    • @Vhlathanosh
      @Vhlathanosh Рік тому +7

      Anytime I see discovery institute in the bio I just go of course.

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +3

      I'm 6 minutes and like 40 seconds into this video and I feel like I"m on the edge of a black hole watching a star form a billion lightyears away. I feel like I have aged 40 years in the past 6 minutes and that my IQ has dropped below 0.

  • @mrapistevist
    @mrapistevist Рік тому +15

    The Discovery Institute...nuff said.

    • @kellydalstok8900
      @kellydalstok8900 Рік тому +3

      I wonder why they chose that name, because they’re going out of their way to NOT discover anything true.

    • @JHWH213
      @JHWH213 Рік тому

      ​@@kellydalstok8900 well, they have discovered that rubes will pay them to lie.

    • @istvansipos9940
      @istvansipos9940 Рік тому +1

      @@kellydalstok8900 it was a mis-communication: The original plan was: "this cowardly institute"

  • @Raven-um2wf
    @Raven-um2wf Рік тому +11

    This hole fits me perfectly, it must have been made for me isn't the argument they think it is. Considering most of the planet itself is hostile to humans and could destroy us in the blink of a eye without even noticing proves how weak it is.

  • @randolphphillips3104
    @randolphphillips3104 Рік тому +51

    He thinks life is efficiently designed? Hahahahaha!
    Doesn't he remember that complexity is, by definition, the opposite of efficiency?

    • @TheLithp
      @TheLithp Рік тому +4

      Even ignoring that his claim is clearly untrue, we could still ask why the design isn't better because they aren't positing a limited designer who had to work with preset tools--their god supposedly decided all of the limits of physics in the first place.

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner Рік тому +3

      Yeah...the brilliant design that led to us using the same passage for eating, drinking, breathing, and talking - constant choking hazard, no engineer in their right mind would do that. Or how about the human birth being so much more difficult and painful (and lethal) for us than for any other mammal? Or menopause in only one gender (I mean, of lifelong monogamy is the designer's intent, that move is just stupid). Or the wonderful design features that produce cancer, or our immune systems attacking ourselves, etc? Our bodies alone are just what one would expect from an evolutionary process adapting to changing environments in a struggle for existence. They're only what one would expect from a designer if that designer was 1) of limited competence; and 2) something of a sadist.

    • @engineeredlifeform
      @engineeredlifeform Рік тому +1

      @@TheLithp Exactly, we could be made out of homogenous clear goop, and work, just because it was God's will.

  • @rlcmza6705
    @rlcmza6705 Рік тому +17

    Sean Carroll already had Allen Guth discredit this in a debate with William Lane Craig lol.

    • @knarf_on_a_bike
      @knarf_on_a_bike Рік тому +6

      That was a brilliant debate by Sean Carroll. I don't know how WLC had the hubris to continue his apologetics after that.

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Рік тому +14

    18:00 Yes, the puddle analogy. What he neglects to recognize is that different "constants" would indeed result in a different universe but there is no way of knowing whether or not some other kind of life would have developed under those different conditions. It's way more complicated than that and I'm no expert. But I've heard physicists say that there's no reason to think a material universe would not function with different constants.

    • @mr.mcbeavy1443
      @mr.mcbeavy1443 Рік тому +2

      Agreed. There is absolutely no reason to think that a universe with different constants couldn't also produce sentient life who would eventually look out at the universe and think "aren't we special, we have just the right atmosphere, just the right gravity, just the right liquid, just the right electro magnetic forces etc, etc..., clearly this was made by an intelligent, loving designer JUST FOR US!!
      And we shall call her Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, Leaf Be upon Her."

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +2

      Also, if God created everything - why would he need to "fine tune" it?! He could've decided on any arbitrary configuration that he liked.
      Unless there were already constraints on what would be needed for life to exist, and he was bound by those constraints - in which case... Who created those constraints?

    • @fredbloggs7131
      @fredbloggs7131 Рік тому +1

      The other thing is that they suggest changing just one constant and say it could never work. There's nothing to say that those constants aren't interconnected and if you change one you automatically change others and everything still works.

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Рік тому +14

    3:06 So, he's a physicist and his written "contributions" are to religious based journals. He's not a biologist and has no academic credentials or background in evolutionary biology.
    Apologists do this a lot, find someone with an irrelevant but reputable expertise and then get them to back the apologist's theological arguments. This is basically an appeal to authority fallacy.
    By the way, the "Center for Science and Culture" is part of the Discovery Institute.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому +1

      I like the way that they also mention that he minored in engineering. There's a disproportionally higher number of engineers who find the design argument and/or fine-tuning argument appealing, although the number is still very much in the minority.

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 Рік тому +2

      So he's pretty much a false authority for the topic he's trying to talk about.

    • @nealjroberts4050
      @nealjroberts4050 Рік тому +1

      You'll notice that Miller skipped a lot of substantiation for his assertions and presuppositions.

  • @HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke
    @HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke Рік тому +16

    3:19 Creationist admits that accepting microevolution means you accept Darwinism. I wonder how the creationist audience heard that.

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      You clearly don’t understand Darwinism. Process of evolution (even macro one) was known to theists way before your Darwin. It’s that stupid “random mutation” that contradicts with reality.

    • @HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke
      @HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke Рік тому

      @@Fundamental_Islam. That's interesting, do you think all mutations are intended parts of God's design? It sounds like you are hyper-focusing on beneficial mutations, and unaware there are any harmful ones.
      That's interesting because it's the reverse of the typical creationist position. The Christian creationist movement pushes that 'beneficial mutations are a myth, all are harmful'. Are you pushing that 'harmful mutations are a myth, all are beneficial'?
      Maybe you should talk to the Christian creationist movement and sort of what the God model really predicts, haha :)

    • @cliftongaither6642
      @cliftongaither6642 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Fundamental_Islam.how does random mutations contradict reality?

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. 2 місяці тому

      @@cliftongaither6642 your teeth always grow on your mouth. Have you ever seen creatures with teeth on random places?

    • @cliftongaither6642
      @cliftongaither6642 2 місяці тому

      @@Fundamental_Islam. obviously you don't understand what random mutations means. and yes teeth can grow outside of the mouth on humans. ever heard of a germ cell tumor called teratoma? these tumors are made of pluripotent stem cells that can turn into teeth or hair. just google it. and while you're at it, google what random mutation means. take care.

  • @davidleedougherty6478
    @davidleedougherty6478 Рік тому +7

    Water evaporates, goes up turns into clouds, condenses, begins to fall, drops hit an acorn knocking it off a tree, acorn hits a squirrel in the head, the squirrel runs off, and scares a lady, who screams, causing someone three streets away to look up and trip on a curb -- if that ain't a natural "rubh Goldberg whatever" machine, then nothing is

  • @davidleedougherty6478
    @davidleedougherty6478 Рік тому +38

    He wants us to see his fancy drawings behind him so bad!
    Look how smart! Doodles on a whiteboard wow

    • @Virtualblueart
      @Virtualblueart Рік тому +8

      I kind of like how flerfers have taken the drawing on a whiteboard as "we look like real professors doing this" dragging people like this guy down with them.

    • @FakingANerve
      @FakingANerve Рік тому +2

      Yeah, that framing wasn't done on accident. Ironically, one could mock him using the watch maker argument if he tried to deny this.

    • @MinaOmega
      @MinaOmega Рік тому +2

      I thought exactly that, too.

    • @Dr.JustIsWrong
      @Dr.JustIsWrong Рік тому +1

      I've got a whiteboard too!

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +2

      @@Dr.JustIsWrong _"I've got a whiteboard too!"_
      I was just thinking that! I should make a video with that. My whiteboard even has the days of the week on it. So it's already showing more information before I start!

  • @critthought2866
    @critthought2866 Рік тому +9

    The Hitchens quote in a bit more context:
    Hitchens: At some point, certainly, we are all asked which is the best argument you come up against from the other side. I think every one of us picks the fine-tuning one as the most intriguing.
    Wilson: The Goldilocks idea. Yeah, okay.
    Hitchens: Yeah. The fine-tuning, that one degree, well, one degree, one hair different of nothing-that even though it doesn’t prove design, doesn’t prove a Designer, [the fine-tuning] could have all happened without [God]- You have to spend time thinking about it, working on it. It’s not a trivial [argument]. We all say that.
    So, of course, the host chose to omit the next part, where Hitchens says that the fine-tuning argument *doesn't prove design, doesn't prove a Designer*

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +4

      What I am wondering is...
      If God is the creator of everything, and decided on all the rules for how the universe was going to work... Why would he need to fine-tune it? He could've come up with any arbitrary configuration that he liked and say, that's how he wanted it to be... Unless there were already conditions and rules for how life functions and how it would be able to exist, that God had to follow in order to make life.
      In which case, who created those rules and conditions?

    • @annk.8750
      @annk.8750 Рік тому

      The so-called "fine tuning" argument can be easily refuted when you consider the obvious fact that our world only needs to be Good Enough for life to have involved. If it were not Good Enough, nobody would be there asking the question. So we are faced with life having involved on the only planet we know of that's Good Enough for life to have involved. DUH!! :D

  • @chickenpants
    @chickenpants Рік тому +32

    This physicist seems to have attended the Bill Craig lesson on the Borde, Guth, Valenkin theory. Both Guth and Valenkin have flat out stated that their model does not exclude an infinitely old universe. The whole chat between these two apologists was a massive case of special pleading. Thanks for another great start to my Sunday, Mr Tick. May your leaves be fresh and plentiful.

    • @EdwardHowton
      @EdwardHowton Рік тому

      Didn't one of them do it live to his face during a debate? Or was that Deepak Chopra. All charlatans run together into one undifferentiated scummy mass after a while in my mind.

    • @ponypapa6785
      @ponypapa6785 Рік тому

      "The Physicist" seems to belong to the Discovery Institute. I kindly refer you to Professor Dave for more on them.

  • @terryriley8963
    @terryriley8963 Рік тому +15

    It always makes me laugh when someone casually says ‘outside of time and space’ as if that is something real they can understand and comprehend.
    This would be the whole thesis that I would submit for my Scientific PHD at a Creationist University based on explaining time and space: 'We live in a box where time and space exists and so logically outside of that box time and space doesn’t exist'.

    • @chiziworlu1967
      @chiziworlu1967 Рік тому

      Brilliant!

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +1

      Please allow me to give unasked advice that you can dismiss completely or partly as you please:
      Instead of a box, I would suggest a jelly blob that we are parts of and all of it is space. And if you want to mess with people's heads, explain how the blob extends indefinitely into the fourth dimension and we're looking at only one point of it at a time. You can imagine the whole as an infinite jelly blob in 4 dimensions we can only see one "slice" of, making the universe a 4D jelly , 3 dimensions of which slide through our observation/field of view, kind of like how an ant would see a ball or a cone falling through its field of view, appearing as a dot at first and the ant sees the dot expand rapidly, not knowing what it is looking at until it can calculate the expansion rates and/or differentials of those.
      I think I like the term _higher dimensions._ We already have issues picturing a 4th dimension and trying it makes you feel like either you or the dimension itself are high as a kite, or that it might help to be high to picture it :p
      And eh... I obviously didn't even mention that everything not part of the jelly is "outside" spacetime. That's your problem :p

    • @annk.8750
      @annk.8750 Рік тому +2

      The whole argument for the Kalam Cosmological model should consist of:
      1. "The universe as we know it began to exist"
      2. "We do not know the cause".
      The end. There is no "therefore god" in that. Don't bother to thank me; sending money would be quite sufficient.

  • @Steve-Cross
    @Steve-Cross Рік тому +22

    A really creepy guy and a complete wacko. I knew this was going to go well. 😂

  • @denverarnold6210
    @denverarnold6210 Рік тому +50

    6 minutes in, and I'm pretty sure this is all one big 'appeal to authority' fallacy.

    • @Kualinar
      @Kualinar Рік тому +9

      And the god of the gap fallacy, and the very bad fine tuning argument, and a lot of word salad, and...

    • @xipheonj
      @xipheonj Рік тому +6

      Yep, basically. PhD in physics, discusses cosmology and biology.

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +3

      HAHAHAHAHA! I had to pause the video. I couldn't get through this, not even with Tick's humour butting in.
      Then I scrolled down and I commented somewhere:
      _"I'm 6 minutes and like 40 seconds into this video and I feel like I"m on the edge of a black hole watching a star form a billion lightyears away. I feel like I have aged 40 years in the past 6 minutes and that my IQ has dropped below 0."_
      And then I scrolled down only two more comments and I see your comment:
      _"6 minutes in, and I'm pretty sure this is all one big 'appeal to authority' fallacy."_
      You can imagine how funny that was to me 🤣
      Also, no, the appeal to authority is just one of the many fallacies used to manipulate in the overarching fallacy that is an argument from ignorance. So, if you say "all one big", then it's an all one big argument from ignorance. The appeal to authority is a part of it. A big part, but not the whole. The argument from ignorance is the whole.

  • @tos100returns
    @tos100returns Рік тому +6

    The peaceful sounding host is creeping me out.

    • @jasonsabbath6996
      @jasonsabbath6996 Рік тому +2

      Right? I could totally see him as a villain on Bones, Criminal Minds, or CSI! He would be the long running villain that takes several episodes to finally catch!

  • @idahogie
    @idahogie Рік тому +5

    Good god, that interviewer. So bad. It's like he's animating an email chain.

  • @xipheonj
    @xipheonj Рік тому +7

    It's always fun when someone with a real education attempts apologetics. It's like a game to spot all the times he switches between using sound logic and science to religious dogma.
    The most obvious part for me was when he kept repeating the phrase "fine tuning." That's not a scientific term, that's 100% religious apologetics. That whole section was projection, accusing them of making wild assumptions then stating his ridiculous assumptions as irrefutable fact.

  • @wayneu1233
    @wayneu1233 Рік тому +20

    The eye is optimally designed…said the guy wearing eyeglasses.

    • @frederickvondinkerberg7721
      @frederickvondinkerberg7721 Рік тому

      As opposed to what other kind glasses? Calling them eyeglasses is redundant

    • @wayneu1233
      @wayneu1233 Рік тому +2

      @@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Well professor, as opposed to drinking glasses.

    • @frederickvondinkerberg7721
      @frederickvondinkerberg7721 Рік тому

      @@wayneu1233 you had already stated about the eye, therefore just saying glasses was all that was needed.

    • @wayneu1233
      @wayneu1233 Рік тому +3

      @@frederickvondinkerberg7721 I take your point, but it's so goddamned trivial I can't understand why you'd bother to make it.

  • @foppishdilletaunt9911
    @foppishdilletaunt9911 Рік тому +55

    When I want advice about biology I always turn to physicists.

    • @johnmcnair8854
      @johnmcnair8854 Рік тому

      Especially one who is a spokesman for the id movement and a frequent contributor to a "science" publication which has as a stated aim of countering "fake news" pro-darwin propoganda

    • @angrydoggy9170
      @angrydoggy9170 Рік тому +1

      Smart move. Never trust someone that actually studied the subject at hand, they’re most likely brainwashed.

    • @user-cr4pz5yg7y
      @user-cr4pz5yg7y Рік тому +3

      Not the physics that is the problem. Physics explains biology. I just dont ask christians, muslims, or jews important questions.

    • @stylis666
      @stylis666 Рік тому +2

      @@user-cr4pz5yg7y _"Not the physics that is the problem. Physics explains biology."_
      I love that you say that. Physics is everything after all.
      But also, to understand biology it's not enough to have studies physics.
      _"I just dont ask christians, muslims, or jews important questions."_
      Yep. Usually it isn't too much of a problem because professionals will just say to leave the theological hat at the door. But compartmentalization is bullshit. Although, I'll happily cut parts of people's brains out to put in a box at the door if they want me to :p

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      @Gary Allen really? Can atheist explain things successfully?

  • @lynettekomidar2819
    @lynettekomidar2819 Рік тому +9

    I wonder how any of these people would think after a year of Science, Biology, Physics. Many Many experiments .. many many tentative explanations, we were encouraged to keep studying as new data was available all the time.

  • @timothymulholland7905
    @timothymulholland7905 Рік тому +6

    Where’s the Nobel Committee?!we have new candidates!

  • @Katarn84
    @Katarn84 Рік тому +7

    Only Dr. Miller I will ever trust is the character from the SCP readings by TheVolgun.

    • @Raven-um2wf
      @Raven-um2wf Рік тому

      Much, much more trustworthy and intelligent

  • @steve-martin-42
    @steve-martin-42 Рік тому +12

    Smug and frightening looking, large plate of word salad

    • @lynettekomidar2819
      @lynettekomidar2819 Рік тому +1

      OMG I just said that

    • @steve-martin-42
      @steve-martin-42 Рік тому

      An ugly non ginger version of Mick Hucknalll, in most people the is a gap between the eyes

  • @randolphphillips3104
    @randolphphillips3104 Рік тому +10

    Wow, you would think a physicist would understand the Anthropic Principle better than that. Neither strong or weak versions point to fine tuning. Basically, weak says the universe must be able to support life because we are here, the strong says we are here because the universe supports life (life is inevitable in a universe that can support it). Fine tuning implies it could/should have been different and someone tweaked it just for us. Not only incredible hubris, but (since we only have this one example) assumes it could have been different.

    • @TheDeath138
      @TheDeath138 Рік тому +2

      Right? And then they have the nerve to call atheists arrogant.

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +3

      Also, I am left wondering why God would even need to fine-tune anything. Didn't he decide what would be required for life to exist in the first place? He could've picked any random configuration and made it work... unless God actually had to abide by certain pre-existing conditions for what would be required for life to exist? In which case, where did those pre-existing conditions come from, and why did God not have the power to change them?

  • @Soapy-chan_old
    @Soapy-chan_old Рік тому +39

    "I have no relevant degree but I'm still going to say the experts are wrong."

    • @kellydalstok8900
      @kellydalstok8900 Рік тому

      He has a degree in a totally irrelevant field; he’s an engineer.

    • @Johnboy33545
      @Johnboy33545 Рік тому

      @@kellydalstok8900: "...no relevant field...".

    • @martinconnelly1473
      @martinconnelly1473 Рік тому +2

      @@kellydalstok8900 Physicist with a minor in engineering. No real engineer would try to design in complexity if there was a simpler design option.

    • @MrGrumblier
      @MrGrumblier Рік тому +2

      @@martinconnelly1473 Yup, which just proves that their god, if it exists, is an amateur. Probably some kid playing with a Woolworth's special "Home Universe kit". Just add water!

    • @Dr.JustIsWrong
      @Dr.JustIsWrong Рік тому +1

      If you have a degree, then you're an expert. If you say experts are wrong, then you're wrong too, so experts are right, so you're right, and therefore wrong..
      So fu

  • @jonathandent3445
    @jonathandent3445 Рік тому +17

    Even if it was 1 chance in ( insert how ever many noughts as you like ) it would still be more plausible than a god dit it especially the god of the bible.

    • @Wolf-ln1ml
      @Wolf-ln1ml Рік тому +2

      Writing noughts 'til the end of time... Come, surf the clouds, race the dark... 🎵
      Sorry, got a little sidetracked there ☺

    • @jasonsabbath6996
      @jasonsabbath6996 Рік тому +1

      The odds of all of this happening doesn't matter because it DID happen. Like Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds!" And their ideas are indeed completely implausible!

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому +1

      @@Wolf-ln1ml 🎶 Every child worthy of a better tale 🎶

    • @Wolf-ln1ml
      @Wolf-ln1ml Рік тому

      @@RichWoods23 Indeed, one of my favourite "responses" to all this nonsense 😊😊

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому +1

      @@Wolf-ln1ml That's what struck me too, out of all of Tuomas's lyrics on that particular album (especially in light of the multiple mentions of 'the child' open to various interpretations across earlier albums). That one line is all that is necessary to sum up the influence of religion and the reason, however poetically stated, why it should be and has to be countered.

  • @EdwardHowton
    @EdwardHowton Рік тому +2

    17:50 Timmy's argument, here is quite literally "The ground has to be perfectly designed for it to reach exactly high enough to hit the bottom of my feet when I'm walking. If the dial for the ground's height were any different, I would either be floating in the air or have my legs buried. Therefore God."

  • @holdenross
    @holdenross Рік тому +6

    How unprofessional do you have to be to never look up from or deviate from your script

  • @FoxyRaccoon84
    @FoxyRaccoon84 Рік тому +4

    Ironic how a man (who is not a biologist, by the way) wearing corrective lenses claims that the human eye is optimally designed.
    Wow.

  • @Boris99999
    @Boris99999 Рік тому +6

    I like how creationists love to jump from topic to topic lumping together completely separate terms like beginning of the universe, appearance of earth and appearance of life on it…

    • @kellydalstok8900
      @kellydalstok8900 Рік тому

      Gishgallop

    • @n8rsk8r41
      @n8rsk8r41 Рік тому

      Let's stay on one topic then... are humans still fish?

    • @Boris99999
      @Boris99999 Рік тому

      @@n8rsk8r41
      That depends on your definition of “fish”.
      Are Americans that were born in USA whose ancestors came from Great Britain still “Englishmen”?
      In order to not confuse anyone because “fish” is associated with animals with gills living in the water we came up with a new term “tetrapod”. We are still “tetrapods” - the same as our ancestors that were “fish”…

    • @n8rsk8r41
      @n8rsk8r41 Рік тому

      @@Boris99999 Ok perfect, I see your point.
      So, you say we have fish ancestors. Do these ancestor fish look exactly like fish do today or were they different in any notable ways?

    • @Boris99999
      @Boris99999 Рік тому

      @@n8rsk8r41
      Well fish “today” looks really different compared to another fish today so it’s hard for me to answer that if you just say “fish”. A Shark, an Opah, a Ramp fish, an Angler fish and a Mudskipper - are ALL modern fish! But you wouldn’t mistake one for another, would you?
      So what modern “fish” did you have in mind?
      If you meant “Does Tiktaalik (our ancestor fish) look different than the modern lobe-finned fish?” Well yes and no - it has some differences that helped distinguish it from modern fish and it has enough similar features that we were able to determine it was a relative of the fish that exists today.
      That’s the point of evolution - related species will have some similar features and some differences.

  • @blue123439
    @blue123439 Рік тому +12

    What? Intelligent Design is nonsense to the nth degree. Keep making great content, Mr. Tick, it makes my day.

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      Yeah! Clearly it was “random magic mutation” that by accident changed the arrangement of some nuclei bases in camel’s dna that gave it an extra transparent eyelid to see during dust storm. It was all accident nothing deliberate

    • @blue123439
      @blue123439 Рік тому

      @@jzsbff4801 yep you’re right

  • @apropos4701
    @apropos4701 Рік тому +3

    I imagine this spokesman for the Discovery Institute as a turd on the sidewalk. He looks up and concludes, "Shifting assumptions describe a revolution taking place in the perambulations not only of the better-informed scientists but of the general public." The turd becomes more confident in this assessment, as people exclaim, "Holy shit, that was close!" and "Oh my God, I almost stepped in that!"

  • @whitetransgirlwithdreads
    @whitetransgirlwithdreads Рік тому +3

    I love how the guy was describing what life would look like if the theory of evolution was accurate, and managed to describe what life pretty much looks like. I mean he conveniently skipped the part about how natural selection, sexual selection, etc would fine tune each feature but still...

  • @BoneySkylord
    @BoneySkylord Рік тому +5

    20:50. Possibly the finest example of autodebunking I have ever seen. I teach anatomy at university. Every organism, including humans, is an extraordinary mishmash of adaptations, additions and subtractions thrown together in a way that would send any designer straight back to the drawing board. All he’s done is loudly proclaim his ignorance and his complete lack of understanding. He absolutely disproves his own assertion. 🤦‍♂️

    • @n8rsk8r41
      @n8rsk8r41 Рік тому

      If you dont mind, since you are an anatomy professor, I have a few quick questions. In looking at muscle contraction, and more specifically just looking at the actin myofilament, how or in what order did the: troponin, tropomyocin, and the myosin binding sites come about.

  • @philw6056
    @philw6056 Рік тому +3

    We really don't know if those fundamental forces are really independent and we also don't know if they could be any different. And we also don't know how many universes ever existed, therefore any probability that a specific universe can support live could be higher or lower by several magnitudes than the number of universes.

  • @philb4462
    @philb4462 Рік тому +8

    This guy is from the Discovery Institute. 'Nuff said.

  • @mesplin3
    @mesplin3 Рік тому +3

    3:20
    "The standard Evolution model neo-Darwinism is really helpful if you're looking at things like Finch beaks getting smaller or larger but if you're trying to explain how let's say a fish became an amphibian or how a bacteria became a complex organism it is hopelessly inadequate."
    Really? I hope he goes into why neo-Darwinism can explain certain changes but not others.
    Edit: Well, that was disappointing.

  • @PebkioNomare
    @PebkioNomare Рік тому +2

    Hitchens was explaining that the anthropic principle was the best argument because it's the most effective. Humans are pre-disposed to imagine that the cause of *everything* is anthropic, because that's what our lives are. Everything in our immediate lives, growing up, are caused by adults doing things. So it's really, really, really, really, *really,* easy to assume that the cause of everything is some person doing things. *That* is why Hitchens found the argument to be their best: because it appeals to a fundamental aspect of the human experience. But that has no bearing on the accuracy of that assumption. Which is why Hitchens wasn't a theist.

  • @redearth8256
    @redearth8256 Рік тому +4

    IF it was designed then it has been designed to look exactly like evolution happens

    • @istvansipos9940
      @istvansipos9940 Рік тому

      g0d used magic to manipulate the evidence. That makes g0d a liar.
      or
      AS the evidence shows, it was evolution. That makes g0d a lie.

  • @shadowjezzter
    @shadowjezzter Рік тому +8

    Even if something has a low chance of occurring, with enough time it will happen, just has to have a chance. Like of theists being able to say something correctly.

    • @rickn8or
      @rickn8or Рік тому +1

      Like the kid with the lemonade stand selling his wares at $500 a cup. It won't happen often, but all he has to do is sell ONE and he's set.

    • @Kualinar
      @Kualinar Рік тому +4

      When you have only a single sampling point and something did happen, then, the probability of that something to happen is 1.

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  Рік тому +2

      Leaf be upon you, Shadow!

    • @TheDeath138
      @TheDeath138 Рік тому +1

      ​@@Kualinar Correct. Anything else is speculation and pulling numbers out of your ass.

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger Рік тому +2

      And given an infinite amount of time, anything that can possibly happen will at some point inevitably happen.

  • @Kruppes_Mule
    @Kruppes_Mule Рік тому

    I think it was hilarious when Sean Carroll had one of the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin bunch queued up and ready to answer this sort of misrepresentation of their model. When asked Borde-Guth-Vilenkin said "Did our universe have a beginning? We don't know but I suspect that it did not." Shame you didn't have that ready to go here. But still great content.

  • @michaelnewsham1412
    @michaelnewsham1412 Рік тому +2

    I looked up the 2016 Royal Society conference "New trends in evolutionary science", which dealt with as stated "The rise of molecular biology and evolutionary developmental biology, the recognition of ecological development, niche construction and of multiple inheritance ..." and featured 'Developments in evolutionary biology and adjacent fields have produced calls for revision of the standard theory of evolution, although the issues involved remain hotly contested. This meeting presented these developments and arguments and encouraged cross-disciplinary discussion, which involved the humanities and social sciences in order to provide further analytical perspectives and explore the social and philosophical implications."
    I listened to Dr. Gerd Mueller's speech on "The extended evolutionary synthesis" and how it has been extended into various fields above from the standard hypothesis developed in the 1940s. At no time did he mention "Darwinism" or any 'breakdown'. Either Dr. Brian Miller simply didn't understand the various talks, or he is distorting to the point of fabrication what they actually said.

  • @DaviniaHill
    @DaviniaHill Рік тому +6

    One guy reads out quotes from scientists that disagree with the consensus to another guy who then agrees with the quotes, at no point is evidence presented or papers cited. Textbook apologist.

  • @Steve-Cross
    @Steve-Cross Рік тому +5

    How can a scientist say it was god? When there is no falsifiable evidence of any gods. Ever. He is very silly. 😂

  • @robtbo
    @robtbo Рік тому +1

    Addition is useful if you’re counting out exact change when you’re paying in cash, but it cannot explain multibillion dollar bank accounts. We need an alternate theory.

  • @gregcampwriter
    @gregcampwriter Рік тому +1

    That host is what I think of whenever I think of a group therapy facilitator. If I were on a jury in a case of someone punching him in the nose, I'd be open to the "victim deserved it" defense.

  • @thomasanderson8446
    @thomasanderson8446 Рік тому +3

    Top down design. So there's a good reason the fun bits are so tied into the waste disposal bits? Thanks to Forrest Valkai for that point, even if it's not a direct quote.

  • @uncleanunicorn4571
    @uncleanunicorn4571 Рік тому +3

    Not knowing where the universe came from is not evidence of magic man of the sky. You have to observe magic man in the sky and watch him Conjuring up universes to prove any such thing.

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Рік тому +2

    20:18 There are SO MANY obvious examples of sub-optimal "design" in human bodies. I really don't see why he's going down this route.
    22:00 "Many of the design patterns that we see in life are the same design patterns that we use in human engineering."
    Well yes, obviously, because everything we design with engineering is rooted in the laws of physics, i.e. is fundamentally inspired by nature and what we have learned about it through scientific investigation. (Unlike other comments I've made, I _am_ in my area of expertise here. I have a master's degree in structural engineering.)
    Humans evolved as animals full of curiosity and with an irrepressible urge to manipulate our environment to our benefit. We DESIGN. That's what we do. We can't help thinking of the world as a design problem. So when we ponder "creation" and anthropomorphize a God to create it, guess what. That god is a designer. He's a bigger, smarter, more powerful version of ourselves. The only problem is, the random results of evolution actually do result in a lot of inefficient organisms. The best of them survive and prosper. But the evidence of inefficiencies remains.

  • @pineapplepenumbra
    @pineapplepenumbra Рік тому +1

    Problems with the "fine tuning" argument:
    1) If there was a god, then it wouldn't _need_ to fine tune.
    2) There may be a wide number of workable universes, we just don't know.
    3) There could be a Multiverse with 10^1000,000^1000,0000 universes, most of which didn't get past the "er, splat!" stage 0.0^35 seconds into their existence.
    *4) How fine tuned would a God's brain have to be?*

  • @MrGrumblier
    @MrGrumblier Рік тому +6

    3:06 I'm sure that, having a doctorate in physics, he is an expert when it comes to biology. Now I'm off to the plumber to get my teeth fixed.
    Edit: corrected myself on the degree Dr. Miller holds.

    • @Wolf-ln1ml
      @Wolf-ln1ml Рік тому +1

      Don't you rather mean, "Correcting myfelf on phe degree Dr. Miller holdph"? 😋

    • @MrGrumblier
      @MrGrumblier Рік тому +1

      @@Wolf-ln1ml Lol. I thee what you did there...

  • @aemondtargaryen972
    @aemondtargaryen972 Рік тому +10

    Am I the only one that says “leaf be upon her” when you say it as well?

  • @casper130rocks
    @casper130rocks Рік тому +1

    Any scientist or PhD of any description who throws their hat in the ring with creationists should have their credentials revoked

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Рік тому

      I expect their job prospects do suffer.

    • @casper130rocks
      @casper130rocks Рік тому

      @@RichWoods23 not with the multitude of so called creation science institutes hiring anyone for top dollar with even a remotely legitimate degree infact it's probably easier and more financially viable for them then doing real science

  • @WukongTheMonkeyKing
    @WukongTheMonkeyKing Рік тому +2

    Whenever they cite a scientist, it's now a habit to look up who they quote. Like, Gerd Muller was quoted. He never claimed that evolution was hopelessly inadequate. He also cites SEVERAL alternative models. Specifically, Muller promotes the idea of extended evolutionary synthesis. This takes "darwinian" evolution, and adds it in to the other things that effect evolution, like genomics, phenotype plasticity, and others, to improve the model.
    The equivalent would be to say that because Einstein improved upon Newtonian physics then Einstein believed that Newtonian physics were hopelessly inadequate and false.
    It's blatant deception.
    The full quote is " For instance, the theory largely avoids the question of how the complex organizations of organismal structure, physiology, development or behaviour-whose variation it describes-actually arise in evolution, and it also provides no adequate means for including factors that are not part of the population genetic framework, such as developmental, systems theoretical, ecological or cultural influences."
    Hey, Apologists. If you have to lie in order to prove your point, how good is your point?

  • @gregcampwriter
    @gregcampwriter Рік тому +5

    We see ad hoc solutions in living organisms all the time. Thanks, Brian Miller, for confirming that there's no evidence for an intelligent designer.

  • @johnburn8031
    @johnburn8031 Рік тому +3

    Adding a comment to feed the UA-cam algorithm.

  • @Rosyna
    @Rosyna Рік тому +1

    Ugh. When Einstein came up with general relativity, he *explicitly* believed in the steady state model. He even created the cosmological constant to keep it steady in the math. It wasn’t until Hubble showed him the expanding universe that Einstein abandoned steady state.

  • @stevenleonard7219
    @stevenleonard7219 Рік тому +1

    Personal incredulity is rampant in these knobs. The only explanation in my opinion is that they choose to be ignorant.

  • @sparki9085
    @sparki9085 Рік тому +4

    My body is literally tearing itself apart. Why would an intelligent creator do that?

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      Do you think you will enter Paradise without Allah proving which of you ˹truly˺ struggled and patiently endured? (Quran 3:142)

    • @sparki9085
      @sparki9085 Рік тому

      @@Fundamental_Islam. my life is already a living hell. I'd rather go there than a heaven where I can never stop worshipping the genocidal slaver that decided that constantly torturing me was ok

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      @@sparki9085 hmm no snowflake! I’m sure there are ppl suffering even more than you in countries that were drone attacked by your barbaric government that you pay tax to. They are more grateful and religious than you! Besides, why ignore all the food he gave you that sustained you till this day and hands and eyes that help you type nonsense about Him here on UA-cam?

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      @JZ's BFF everywhere in the universe

  • @Kevin_Williamson
    @Kevin_Williamson Рік тому +23

    Dr. Miller has legit degrees. Unfortunately, they are in a field that doesn't make him any sort of expert in biology. He's simply rendering opinions outside of his field on abiogenesis/evolution. In other words, this is a classic appeal to false authority fallacy. But all I need to know is he's working for the "Discovery Institute". The place where men and women with actual degrees go to sell their souls and credibility to market God.
    That, and he makes it clear in many things he says that he doesn't know a darn thing about the topic. Just the usual apologetics claims and general, misleading statements.

    • @vestafreyja
      @vestafreyja Рік тому +4

      Once someone is working for the Discovery Institute they have lost any and all credibility that they could have had. Honestly if the changed the name of Discovery Institute to Dishonesty Incorporated it would at least be honest and accurate.

    • @isidoreaerys8745
      @isidoreaerys8745 Рік тому +1

      Honestly any functioning democracy would legally disband such toxic disinformation mills.
      They literally are poison to public discourse.
      Discovery Institute.
      ICR. Answers in Genesis. Abolished.
      These Fucking liars are the reason our country went from producing Einsteins to producing Adin Ross’s in a single generation.
      I welcome our nuclear annihilation by our Chinese overloads. The American Experiment was a mistake.

  • @VicariousReality7
    @VicariousReality7 3 місяці тому +1

    "Universes" can never be a word.

  • @spacepope69
    @spacepope69 Рік тому +4

    A 426 Hemi or a Chevy 350 are intelligent designs. Humans are not. And the universe certainly is not.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin Рік тому +1

      What about a 351 Windsor?

    • @spacepope69
      @spacepope69 Рік тому +1

      @@sledzeppelin Sorry, I seem to have left Ford, as well as Pontiac and Oldsmobile out of my list

  • @joenobody571
    @joenobody571 Рік тому +9

    Appeal to authority nameless sources 🙄 "trust me bro" 🙄

  • @NielMalan
    @NielMalan Рік тому

    A cursory reading about the work of Gerd Müller reveals that he is not at all dubious about evolution, but that he seems to be proposing mechanisms by which evolution can introduce more marked changes over shorter periods of time.

  • @Zandman26
    @Zandman26 Рік тому +1

    It's funny seeing a "scientist" with glasses saying that eyes are perfectly designed.

  • @ciri151
    @ciri151 Рік тому +15

    ''theory of intelligent design''
    lmfao that's cute.

    • @antondovydaitis2261
      @antondovydaitis2261 Рік тому +4

      Notice they never refer to Intelligent Design as a hypothesis.

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      Far logical than “random magic mutation” giving camel an extra transparent eyelid to see during the dust storm by accident.

    • @ciri151
      @ciri151 Рік тому

      @@Fundamental_Islam. oh yeah. Because we humans are never born with an extra finger or two, or any abnormalities...

    • @Fundamental_Islam.
      @Fundamental_Islam. Рік тому

      @@ciri151 oh yeah! Let’s forget about trillions of purposeful stuff in nature and focus on rare abnormalities that happen due to malnutrition or environmental toxins we throw here and there.

    • @ciri151
      @ciri151 Рік тому

      @Fundamental Islam lmao you didn't make any point there. Yes, mutations are rare.. and they're influenced by their environment.. That's the whole point, lol. That is why animals adapt to their environment. Maybe try to learn how evolution actually works from an evolutionary biologist instead of your lying friends who tell you it's OK that your fucked up book tells you to kill all nonbelievers.

  • @Vegan_Ape_2018
    @Vegan_Ape_2018 Рік тому +2

    "Oh my giraffe" that is not "Evidence"...

  • @taborturtle
    @taborturtle Рік тому +2

    That "scientist's" description of "God did it" left me with a burning question. Why would God design a universe that would end in a heat death? Wouldn't he or she create a perfect universe for us humans that would last forever? Doesn't the Bible say God created the earth for humans to live on forever? I don't think it says it was created for us for just a while. Sounds like the Bible was written when people were more ignorant than now. That is why theist scientists need to twist themselves into a pretzel to explain how "God did it."

  • @Ramen10420
    @Ramen10420 Рік тому

    What we learn from our environment trains us to adopt a more optimal future, as bleak as it may appear, realize that understanding this statement is both rare and precious.

  • @davelaneve2446
    @davelaneve2446 Рік тому +5

    I'm a biologist with MSc in biological sciences and MScRes in cellular/molecular biology.
    The fact that life is unnecessarily and redundantly complex is actually evidence against intelligent design. An intelligent creator would have made life simpler and more efficient than what it is. With all of the degenerative conditions and diseases that life is plagued with, their intelligent design and creator is extremely incompetent.

  • @condorboss3339
    @condorboss3339 Рік тому +5

    5:58 Interesting to note the non-sequitur: "If the universe had a beginning, that implies that _something outside of time and space_ "
    No it doesn't, you WLC wannabe.

  • @ponypapa6785
    @ponypapa6785 Рік тому

    I love these arguments. "When you get something by random change, that is not designed up front, you are more likely to get a rube goldberg machine". Have you EVER tried to build a rube goldberg machine, *without* designing at least parts of it?
    Likewise, cars were designed. In 1885/1886 according to wikipedia. If one checks the design of "car" over the ages, it is very obvious, that it was optimized in tiny, tiny steps. Time and time again.
    However that was effectively an upscaling of a toy from roughly 1672 (still wikipedia). This (and now we enter the realm of speculation) was most likely dreamed up by someone who knew about steam engines and the fact that horses can be killed, making horsewagons unreliable in certain situations, so this person took the idea from a horsewagon. Which, as we all know, "came from" the idea of "not wanting to pull a wagon manually, let's just use some strong animal for it", so it was an improvement on a wagon. The wagon was, again, more or less an upscaling of something that came before, most likely akin to a wheelbarrow, meaning something to move large amounts of stuff with little effort. Which in itself was the addition of "container" to "wheel". And I believe most of us concur with the idea that "wheel" was a more or less random discovery when round stuff started to roll away.
    So, starting from "random discovery" we can get to car when using "minor improvements" over "a long time" and "assimitating/incorporating other existing things".
    According to that DI fraud, that woudl require "car" - in its current form, mind you, to have been designed before the first wheel came about.
    Given an omiscient, omnipotent god, that is possible, but begs the question, why not START at the point we are now at? Why "design" anything like this at all?

  • @metatronblack
    @metatronblack Рік тому +2

    I'm going to do the running man , while doubting this guys science degree.

  • @CarlosTehJackal
    @CarlosTehJackal Рік тому +3

    I propose that the universe was created by Keith Richards. Makes more sense that a god, we can demonstrate that he exists and we know he's been around forever. And what's with this host and his poor Ted Theodore Logan impression?

    • @d4l3d
      @d4l3d Рік тому

      Universe banged into existence when Richards had that famous argument with Chuck Berry. There can only be one god.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin Рік тому

      Keith’s intro on Can’t You Hear Me Knocking is proof of god. How else could something so perfect and FUCKING BADASS just come about by chance?

    • @rickn8or
      @rickn8or Рік тому

      I like that photo of Keith teaching a very young Willie Nelson to play the guitar.

  • @BaronVonQuiply
    @BaronVonQuiply Рік тому

    Our eyes are so incredibly designed by a genius creator, that when I need to see something clearly I take a pic of it and zoom in on my phone because a 4k camera is better than my eyes.