Got my G17 Gen.1 set up with the recovery 20/20.....Holy Crap....the confidence level, and my tactical drills have improved immensely😎👍👍your points on the advantage, Tactical wise, is spot on Sir. Also my situational awareness has greatly improved as well, due to the “ ready position “ my body, and my weapon is in. Thanks for sharing friend 😎🙏🇺🇸🇵🇭🇺🇸🇵🇭🇺🇸🇵🇭👍
Till the NFA gets struck down get the recover tactical brace version it fold up for nice storage better ergos than flux and the raised pic rail for non reciprocating red dot on top is amazing. I agree 100% having a pdw on you is something that is actually possible the chances of having a AR15 pistol always in your vehicle… I mean I ain’t gonna lie i do that still most the time haha. But it’s not nearly as compact as a g17 in a recover tactical brace with two 30rd mags the extra mag pouch/40degree grip is amazing. Does exactly what this guy wants his grip to do.
Once again very informative material i love the fact that you tell it the way it is with out sugar coating your material thats half the problem in this country people tell u what u want to hear not what u need to hear im in the process of building my own gs 17 your right they absolutely excel in cqc as a point and shoot weapons system that has 6 points of contract that can be shot accurately at acceptable distance great video once again very informative material
I think the majority of the time it's a case of someone trying to sell you something. I'm not trying to sell you something, I'm just offering my opinion based on lots of experience.
Get the 20/20... Extremely affordable, and works as advertised. Make sure your pistol has an RMR/RDS installed. The set up will allow for much faster target acquisition, and quicker follow up shots.
Yes it is very cool but try that at a class where you're firing 1000 rounds over three days and you will end up with your vision suffering something binocular diplopia. I had it and it took several days for the double vision to clear. You just can't take that much impact to your face without serious consequences.
I wouldn't look at any budget optics. Those optics are range toys. No matter how many online ninjas tell you that their optic has never failed them, I still wouldn't trust any optic from anyone other than Aimpoint and Trijicon.
Worrying about offsets is a training deficiency. There’s a reason why tons of units and teams are switching to higher mounts now. If worrying that a bad guy is always wearing armor, having a rifle and getting center mass shots simply makes more sense.
Fab Defense stopped making this and decided to go all in with the Cobra. There is too much side to side slop in the Cobra, I had to settle with the 2020.
Hey Abner, thinking about this and I think you may have mentioned it in a succeeding video to this. What are your thoughts on this vs a glock mag AR platform with a similar length barrel and collapsible brace? Overall length should be similar especially with a Deadfoot Arms SCW system. The height over bore would certainly be an issue.... Thanks for the help
An AR-15 or dedicated PDW based pistol caliber weapon is already preferred over a handgun due to their ability to reach out further. However, in a pinch this will do.
I would avoid the MCK's. That product line is a pirated design off of the original patent held by Moshe Oz. It is an inferior and dangerous design. Why? Simple, it has no integrated trigger safety. The company making those is counting on the fact that most shooters are into cool guy plinking where they stand around and buzz off mags of ammo. The MCK's are fine if that is what one is after. However, if you're looking for a serious self defense set up the MCK's will not suit your needs, and they'll actually put you in danger. Here is a link that you should look at, it details what I'm referring to. I know what I'm talking about, I was around when the first RONI's were coming into the country, I did the first tests on them and gave feedback to the real CAA that was used to further develop the product. caaindustries.com/caa%20industries%20patent%20claims%20clarafications%2001-10-2020.pdf
Yes PDW is a better choice in CQC, but NOT in pistol caliber. That's what I have an AUG and PTR91 8.5" sbr for, BUT, are kind of "heavy" when used for extended periods of time. I also do have 2 new PCC I bought in Jan 2021, GHM9 and GHM45 both will be sbr'd and both will each have their own suppressor. Mainly for the ladies as the AUG and PTR91 are a lot louder and heavier for most females. :)
Got my G17 Gen.1 set up with the recovery 20/20.....Holy Crap....the confidence level, and my tactical drills have improved immensely😎👍👍your points on the advantage, Tactical wise, is spot on Sir. Also my situational awareness has greatly improved as well, due to the “ ready position “ my body, and my weapon is in. Thanks for sharing friend 😎🙏🇺🇸🇵🇭🇺🇸🇵🇭🇺🇸🇵🇭👍
R20/21-Gen4 for me and currently waiting on the GB20 attachment to be released by the end of this month😎🤙
Till the NFA gets struck down get the recover tactical brace version it fold up for nice storage better ergos than flux and the raised pic rail for non reciprocating red dot on top is amazing.
I agree 100% having a pdw on you is something that is actually possible the chances of having a AR15 pistol always in your vehicle… I mean I ain’t gonna lie i do that still most the time haha. But it’s not nearly as compact as a g17 in a recover tactical brace with two 30rd mags the extra mag pouch/40degree grip is amazing. Does exactly what this guy wants his grip to do.
How has the optics mount held up for you?
Once again very informative material i love the fact that you tell it the way it is with out sugar coating your material thats half the problem in this country people tell u what u want to hear not what u need to hear im in the process of building my own gs 17 your right they absolutely excel in cqc as a point and shoot weapons system that has 6 points of contract that can be shot accurately at acceptable distance great video once again very informative material
I think the majority of the time it's a case of someone trying to sell you something. I'm not trying to sell you something, I'm just offering my opinion based on lots of experience.
I’m really debating doing a review myself on the recover 20/20 with some of their new attachments. The brace. Looks similar to this
This is similar but oh so much better.
@@Tier1Citizen I’d have to agree honestly, I dig it
I'm using an older Micro Roni brace in a g17. I love it. I've wondered about getting a recover 2020 or similar.
Get the 20/20... Extremely affordable, and works as advertised. Make sure your pistol has an RMR/RDS installed. The set up will allow for much faster target acquisition, and quicker follow up shots.
@@E52O4 good advice, thanks
Have you heard of the “cheek pistol” concept? Do you have any opinions on the matter?
Yes it is very cool but try that at a class where you're firing 1000 rounds over three days and you will end up with your vision suffering something binocular diplopia. I had it and it took several days for the double vision to clear. You just can't take that much impact to your face without serious consequences.
So the Micro Roni is a flop with 40 S&W. Good to know! Thanks for the share!!
I would hope they've fixed it by now but it was pretty bad back then.
The 45 degree grips have been Out of Stock for a while now. We need this product ASAP.
Thanks Abner! Compare this vs the Recover Tactical 20/20, please.
Apples and oranges.
@@Tier1Citizen Why is it apples and oranges?
@@oneshoeless you talking bout a stock vs a brace
I will like to see that too!
That stock dont couse any crack in pistol grip? I know that happend ones..
You said the nfa is going before court in October? Would that be next October or is this an older video just re-uploaded?
Yeah sorry, this is an older video. I totally forgot to check on how that turned out. Probably not well for us.
@@Tier1Citizen Damn.... had me excited.
Can you use this brace with open sights instead a holographic with acceptable results? In that case, which are better (tritium, etc)?
No, you will need an optic on your gun.
@@Tier1Citizen thank you so much! Which is the best "budget" holographic sight you may use to do the job?
I wouldn't look at any budget optics. Those optics are range toys. No matter how many online ninjas tell you that their optic has never failed them, I still wouldn't trust any optic from anyone other than Aimpoint and Trijicon.
in my opinion a brace is better than a stock as you can have a Pistol loaded in a car. but not a rifle .
Which do you prefer? That straight Glock stock or the Cobra stock. If you could only have 1.
I shoot my recovery 2020 at idpa as pcc it's not as good as a jp pcc but I shoot one macth with strong hand only and the recovery is great
Would you recommend this set up instead of the Recover Tactical?
You should put a flux flash mag (railed version) on it!
Worrying about offsets is a training deficiency. There’s a reason why tons of units and teams are switching to higher mounts now. If worrying that a bad guy is always wearing armor, having a rifle and getting center mass shots simply makes more sense.
What do You think about FK Brno PSD 7,5mm whit his folding detachable stock?
Never tried it.
Anyone use the Endo-Tactical adapter?
I haven't.
Fab Defense stopped making this and decided to go all in with the Cobra. There is too much side to side slop in the Cobra, I had to settle with the 2020.
My micro roni didn’t run my Glock 22 either. 9mm ram perfect
Hey Abner, thinking about this and I think you may have mentioned it in a succeeding video to this. What are your thoughts on this vs a glock mag AR platform with a similar length barrel and collapsible brace? Overall length should be similar especially with a Deadfoot Arms SCW system. The height over bore would certainly be an issue.... Thanks for the help
An AR-15 or dedicated PDW based pistol caliber weapon is already preferred over a handgun due to their ability to reach out further. However, in a pinch this will do.
is an NFA item?
Yes it is.
MCk just dropped a version for the sd9s
I would avoid the MCK's. That product line is a pirated design off of the original patent held by Moshe Oz. It is an inferior and dangerous design. Why? Simple, it has no integrated trigger safety. The company making those is counting on the fact that most shooters are into cool guy plinking where they stand around and buzz off mags of ammo. The MCK's are fine if that is what one is after. However, if you're looking for a serious self defense set up the MCK's will not suit your needs, and they'll actually put you in danger. Here is a link that you should look at, it details what I'm referring to. I know what I'm talking about, I was around when the first RONI's were coming into the country, I did the first tests on them and gave feedback to the real CAA that was used to further develop the product. caaindustries.com/caa%20industries%20patent%20claims%20clarafications%2001-10-2020.pdf
Yes PDW is a better choice in CQC, but NOT in pistol caliber. That's what I have an AUG and PTR91 8.5" sbr for, BUT, are kind of "heavy" when used for extended periods of time.
I also do have 2 new PCC I bought in Jan 2021, GHM9 and GHM45 both will be sbr'd and both will each have their own suppressor. Mainly for the ladies as the AUG and PTR91 are a lot louder and heavier for most females. :)
Nice
Recover tactical 20/20 is better
No this is better. This set up is way more stable than the 20/20.
@@Tier1Citizen, which is why I copied it. 😁👍
Lots of soft, squishy bits on the human body.