Agree about the liasion distances - however, you can always bring back overnight halts away from the host town on certain events, which enables a larger geographical spread, if needed. The sport went down the wrong route when it brought in the 9-5 'cloverleaf' format back in the late 90s/ early 00s; it sounded fine in theory, but went against everything the sport is about. A 'one size fits all' format has lessened events - and doesn't work. If the WRC Promoter had any sense, they'd want a mix of events; whether short 2 day sprints, to longer 4-5 day classics, like the Monte/ Safari...... I've often joked that if the WRC Promoter ran the WEC, they'd make Le Mans a 4 hour race on the Bugatti circuit......
Oh dear, this is now getting silly. I can remember the good old days of the RAC Rally. A fantastic endurance event that visited most forests in the UK. The cars were serviced at the side of the road where you could see the drivers. You could spectate anywhere including at the beginning and end of a stage when the cars were stationary. The cars had to manage many stages (including night stages) without getting attended to and the drivers had to drive with mechanical sympathy and pace 'themselves' too. The stages also went to the people e.g. Trentham, Sutton Park etc. What a challenge - now we see hybrid projectiles (unlike the car they are supposed to be), driven at ridiculous speeds and event's won by seconds - if you spin you've lost. This is basically Rallycross. We don't even get a WRC rally now. I've been to Corsica (2003) - that is nearer what we used to have.
@@RobertGaskin-e4q it's definitely moved more and more towards a sprint format. I'm not against that for some events. I mentioned Ypres in the video and that's a great rally. It's short, sharp and exciting, but it wouldn't work everywhere. Safari should be long and tough, so should Acropolis. As for the cars, I couldn't agree more. Rally1 is a dreadful concept and has totally failed to deliver.
Keep rallying the way It is. He's whining qbout a great sport that men with have his gift would take in a heart beat. I don't agree with him i remember the 80s it used go to a couple of county's in Ireland the main circuit of Ireland imagine him moaning about that. I wish to keep rallying a 3 day event and If he Don like it theres plenty that will take his place qnd pay money for driving in It
Spéciales are too short, remember old Monte Carlo with +40km amazing speciales? Big Liaison with a centralised service is a problem we don’t have years ago because they were multiples services
I think that there need to be slightly more stages and the stages that we do have need to be longer. Rallying especially at the top level is supposed to be about endurance. The WRC is not F1 where every race is effectually a sprint. It could be cool if there was one or two events each year that are classed as sprint rallies that are less than 300km and one or two events are endurance events with 400+km of competitive running. I still think that there are bigger issues that need to be sorted out before we can start to talk about these things though
@@firstnamesecondname8280 agree with all of that. Mix of events is what we need. Every rally should have its own unique personality. You're absolutely right though, there are far more important issues right now
I mean, it's not only the drivers. I volunteered as a marshal this year at the CER on both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday started at 4am for me and ended at 4pm. Sunday was similarly long. That's 12h work days with a 30min break inbetween for lunch, because you have to be in your spot when the whole circus comes through. The various safety cars, the reccees, the medical cars and then of course the rally cars. And after all the rally cars, you have to wait for the safety car again to pass through, so you can finally take your short break.
@maximumattackrallying I'm not sure how it is at other rallys, but at the CER, the ADAC provided some compensation in form of hotel rooms for the marshals, covering some of the travel expenses and a small amount of money for each day they work. It doesn't cover the full costs of being there, but it's an incentive to help out. And it's an important job to keep spectators and conpetitors safe. Would it be good to get paid more to work as a marshal? Always, but it's also important to remember, that rally events don't have an endless amount of money. At the CER, according to the ADAC, there were over 3000 volunteer marshals like me. Imagine the ticket prices, if everyone got paid a daily wage even at minimum wage level, which is about 14,50€/h. That would be 174€/day per person. Even if all 3000 volunteers each worked only 1 day each, that's over 520000€ just for the volunteers. That doesn't even include organisational staff, all the helping agencies like police and rescue services, etc. So it's not an easy yes or no question. It would be nice, but it would also make the whole event incredibly expensive.
@CerberusTenshi that's good if them. That kind of thing seems much more common in mainland Europe. In the UK, marshals generally get nothing other than the odd bacon sandwich or piece of cake. You're right, it would be very difficult to pay marshals in reality, but it's an interesting topic. It's scary just how much rallying relies on the good will of volunteers, even at the very top level.
@@maximumattackrallying Rally would possibly be able to pay everyone, if it was as big as F1. But then again, F1 tickets are so expensive. I had to check, but for example the Las Vegas GP this year is 237€ at its cheapest. The Qatar GP is 2300€ at its cheapest. Those are absurd prices for the WRC. Especially given, that you can just show up near the stages and watch for free. Only if you want to be in the designated spectator areas or get into the service park do you need a ticket. No-one would willingly pay 200€ to stand in a field, exposed to the elements, having to use a porta potty and watch their favorite driver pass them twice in 3 seconds each. If there was a similarly strong Media coverage of the WRC as there is of F1, that might bring in more sponsors and thereby more money. But that's a double edged sword as well.
Iv been a rally fan all my life and Kalle is moaning about being to long. Only a few years ago they were alot longer. So I disagree with him. He is being well paid to drive. He can go to something else if he aint happy. There are kids who would bite his hand of for a opportunity in a rally 1 2 3 car. Simple as. I understand there tired. But man its only for a week. There are doctors in work doing 12 + hours. And come on man. I can't agree with him here. If you agree with him rally won't be as great as it is. I wish they done a Netflix type deal to get more fans because its a great sport. I got no father to thank to get me into rallying. Went to my first rally about 6 or 7 years old ans the Rally went all over Ireland. Imagine Kalle doing that he wouldn't last Keep rallying the way it is. Kalle you'r nor the only person in rallying. And life is hard mate there's plenty of people would swap with you from there jobs simple as
Agree with recee on board, they should get rid of them. Memorizing stage track is not a rally thing. Dakar doesn't have such a thing. It will make pacenote more important as it should be.
Kalle is right, the wait is just too long over a start of a stage, especially on Sundays. Rallies should be more compact in terms of itinerary & should be like 20 stages duration of every rally as a standard for better spectacle. WRC is a great sport but lacks the right management for the important decisions. Also, generational drivers like Kalle Rovanpera are a blessing for the sport itself like Max Verstappen is for F1. Legacies of this calibre will be honoured post-career.
1) I agree that better time management is needed, especially if you want to attract new audience and manufactures ... if there is also a night stage in the day, then the rallying could start later ...not something like 9-5, but more like 12-22 ...especially if it's a Friday ... now, time balance per days is too bad... too long Friday and too short Sunday.. 2) Super stages should be promoted, but so that the teams are allowed to have tires for only that stage ...now the drivers' focus is too much on tires saving ... have you seen the hyundai&toyota festival of speed? The asphalt cannot be seen because of the tire marks 3) Regarding videos - banning them would make it difficult for inexperienced drivers to adapt quickly and would favor drivers with longer WRC experience
Agree with your point that mixed events. So for example Monte is a 500km event over 4 days. Perhaps Sardegna 250km over 2 days etc. keep it interesting. If you watch ERC that’s effectively a sprint rally championship format which isn’t a bad thing but I like the endurance rallying should be about.
Agree with a lot of your points, but time spent doing lots of mileage on road sections is time wasted. Once again Belgium have it cracked. At the event we’re doing this weekend for example the longest road section is 15km, all of the others are under 10km. Usually there is as much stage mileage as road mileage, fantastic 👌
If he wants to do rallycross then so be it. As it is current rallying to me is a sprint event. Having done old style events, that is a test. Want a 9 to 5 job then do so. Sorry find current rallying as just an entertainment tv production.
One of the highlights of rallying is the night stages, so finishing at 5 would be a big loss. It makes rallying stand out from other motorsport. That said, driving 200km from Prague, for a ceremonial start, down to Passau doesn't sound like a good use of anyone's time.
Too long? WTF????? They are Too SHORT. Should be minimum of 500km and NO reccee videos which they are watching now all night long. Drive one time through all the stages and make pace notes from that and then do the Rally. Not watching videos from the stages all night long.
Rallying USED to be an endurance sport. But with the end of Group B and the introduction of Group A, manufacturers wanted rallies shortened. Why? Because, as production based cars, group A cars simply wouldn't last the distances that rallies had previously been. The point of my little rave? Rallying's greatest flaw, has been that events have spent the last 40 years getting shorter and shorter. Sure, this has allowed the cars to get quicker, but 10km stages? Really? I date from the days of 200km forest sprint stages. Of 500+km, night based rallies. It is already difficult to call WRC rounds anything other than RallySprints. Make them even shorter? May as well just drop rallying altogether and have a world RallyCross Championship and leave it at that. I have the greatest respect for Kalle as a driver, but 3 long days and one short one (Sunday) is too much? Imagine if he had to have a real job.
Then he should stay out of IMSA / WEC if driving too much is a problem. The drivers have breaks between stages. Edit: There is only 13 rounds There are 3 weeks between most rallies.
But his complaints wouldn't apply to series like WEC/IMSA. The whole event takes place in one location and a day's work load isn't anything like in rallying. It isn't the rallying itself that he dislikes.
In the rally supplementary regulations you make fan / media access mandatory at certain times, this is how you stop the crew from hermiting away preparing for the next day or stage
Totally agree with @Andy_ATB All the events are far too similar. In the 80's I loved following the Ypres 24 Hours as much as the 4 day RAC's or Safaris. Sadly both the last 2 FIA presidents have talked about changing the WRC. And in reality nothing has happened. On a side note I notice on Dirtfish, Hybrid unit has been diched for next year. Given the fact it was pretty useless and the safety problems it introduced, for me that is goodbye and good riddance.
Is it not a queston that there are too many rounds in a year rather than individual rallies being too long? Used to be 8-10 a season. Now its more like an F1 schedule albeith not quite as extreme.
Agree about the liasion distances - however, you can always bring back overnight halts away from the host town on certain events, which enables a larger geographical spread, if needed.
The sport went down the wrong route when it brought in the 9-5 'cloverleaf' format back in the late 90s/ early 00s; it sounded fine in theory, but went against everything the sport is about. A 'one size fits all' format has lessened events - and doesn't work.
If the WRC Promoter had any sense, they'd want a mix of events; whether short 2 day sprints, to longer 4-5 day classics, like the Monte/ Safari......
I've often joked that if the WRC Promoter ran the WEC, they'd make Le Mans a 4 hour race on the Bugatti circuit......
Oh dear, this is now getting silly. I can remember the good old days of the RAC Rally. A fantastic endurance event that visited most forests in the UK. The cars were serviced at the side of the road where you could see the drivers. You could spectate anywhere including at the beginning and end of a stage when the cars were stationary. The cars had to manage many stages (including night stages) without getting attended to and the drivers had to drive with mechanical sympathy and pace 'themselves' too. The stages also went to the people e.g. Trentham, Sutton Park etc. What a challenge - now we see hybrid projectiles (unlike the car they are supposed to be), driven at ridiculous speeds and event's won by seconds - if you spin you've lost. This is basically Rallycross. We don't even get a WRC rally now. I've been to Corsica (2003) - that is nearer what we used to have.
@@RobertGaskin-e4q it's definitely moved more and more towards a sprint format. I'm not against that for some events. I mentioned Ypres in the video and that's a great rally. It's short, sharp and exciting, but it wouldn't work everywhere. Safari should be long and tough, so should Acropolis. As for the cars, I couldn't agree more. Rally1 is a dreadful concept and has totally failed to deliver.
Keep rallying the way It is. He's whining qbout a great sport that men with have his gift would take in a heart beat. I don't agree with him i remember the 80s it used go to a couple of county's in Ireland the main circuit of Ireland imagine him moaning about that. I wish to keep rallying a 3 day event and If he Don like it theres plenty that will take his place qnd pay money for driving in It
300 km is the least they should do. They aren't driving on circles. Is already too short. We need more competition.
yeah but liasion section? in greece thay had to drive 300km between service and stages
Spéciales are too short, remember old Monte Carlo with +40km amazing speciales?
Big Liaison with a centralised service is a problem we don’t have years ago because they were multiples services
I think they can make one event to be a rally sprint like F1.Then another event like Safari rally to be an endurance Rally like 600+km.
@@alexnjambuya9038 yeah I could get on board with that. A mixture of events is what we want, not the same old format every time
I think that there need to be slightly more stages and the stages that we do have need to be longer. Rallying especially at the top level is supposed to be about endurance. The WRC is not F1 where every race is effectually a sprint. It could be cool if there was one or two events each year that are classed as sprint rallies that are less than 300km and one or two events are endurance events with 400+km of competitive running.
I still think that there are bigger issues that need to be sorted out before we can start to talk about these things though
@@firstnamesecondname8280 agree with all of that. Mix of events is what we need. Every rally should have its own unique personality. You're absolutely right though, there are far more important issues right now
300km Rallies are not long.. Drivers used to drive thousands of kms in the 80s
They did, but that was also 40 years ago, so I think we have to be careful of those comparisons, as those kinds of events aren't coming back
@@maximumattackrallying I know those events are not coming back but let us stop pretending that 300km is too long to drive!
That's 300km of stage. Thelength of the whole route is well over 1000km
I mean, it's not only the drivers.
I volunteered as a marshal this year at the CER on both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday started at 4am for me and ended at 4pm. Sunday was similarly long.
That's 12h work days with a 30min break inbetween for lunch, because you have to be in your spot when the whole circus comes through. The various safety cars, the reccees, the medical cars and then of course the rally cars. And after all the rally cars, you have to wait for the safety car again to pass through, so you can finally take your short break.
@@CerberusTenshi should marshals get paid do you think?
@maximumattackrallying I'm not sure how it is at other rallys, but at the CER, the ADAC provided some compensation in form of hotel rooms for the marshals, covering some of the travel expenses and a small amount of money for each day they work. It doesn't cover the full costs of being there, but it's an incentive to help out. And it's an important job to keep spectators and conpetitors safe.
Would it be good to get paid more to work as a marshal? Always, but it's also important to remember, that rally events don't have an endless amount of money. At the CER, according to the ADAC, there were over 3000 volunteer marshals like me. Imagine the ticket prices, if everyone got paid a daily wage even at minimum wage level, which is about 14,50€/h. That would be 174€/day per person. Even if all 3000 volunteers each worked only 1 day each, that's over 520000€ just for the volunteers. That doesn't even include organisational staff, all the helping agencies like police and rescue services, etc.
So it's not an easy yes or no question. It would be nice, but it would also make the whole event incredibly expensive.
@CerberusTenshi that's good if them. That kind of thing seems much more common in mainland Europe. In the UK, marshals generally get nothing other than the odd bacon sandwich or piece of cake.
You're right, it would be very difficult to pay marshals in reality, but it's an interesting topic. It's scary just how much rallying relies on the good will of volunteers, even at the very top level.
@@maximumattackrallying Rally would possibly be able to pay everyone, if it was as big as F1. But then again, F1 tickets are so expensive. I had to check, but for example the Las Vegas GP this year is 237€ at its cheapest. The Qatar GP is 2300€ at its cheapest. Those are absurd prices for the WRC. Especially given, that you can just show up near the stages and watch for free. Only if you want to be in the designated spectator areas or get into the service park do you need a ticket. No-one would willingly pay 200€ to stand in a field, exposed to the elements, having to use a porta potty and watch their favorite driver pass them twice in 3 seconds each.
If there was a similarly strong Media coverage of the WRC as there is of F1, that might bring in more sponsors and thereby more money. But that's a double edged sword as well.
Iv been a rally fan all my life and Kalle is moaning about being to long. Only a few years ago they were alot longer. So I disagree with him. He is being well paid to drive. He can go to something else if he aint happy. There are kids who would bite his hand of for a opportunity in a rally 1 2 3 car. Simple as. I understand there tired. But man its only for a week. There are doctors in work doing 12 + hours. And come on man. I can't agree with him here. If you agree with him rally won't be as great as it is. I wish they done a Netflix type deal to get more fans because its a great sport. I got no father to thank to get me into rallying. Went to my first rally about 6 or 7 years old ans the Rally went all over Ireland. Imagine Kalle doing that he wouldn't last
Keep rallying the way it is. Kalle you'r nor the only person in rallying. And life is hard mate there's plenty of people would swap with you from there jobs simple as
Agree with recee on board, they should get rid of them. Memorizing stage track is not a rally thing. Dakar doesn't have such a thing. It will make pacenote more important as it should be.
Kalle is right, the wait is just too long over a start of a stage, especially on Sundays.
Rallies should be more compact in terms of itinerary & should be like 20 stages duration of every rally as a standard for better spectacle.
WRC is a great sport but lacks the right management for the important decisions.
Also, generational drivers like Kalle Rovanpera are a blessing for the sport itself like Max Verstappen is for F1. Legacies of this calibre will be honoured post-career.
I would like to see the calendar split evenly between alternating seven-day rally marathons and two-day rally sprints.
1) I agree that better time management is needed, especially if you want to attract new audience and manufactures ... if there is also a night stage in the day, then the rallying could start later ...not something like 9-5, but more like 12-22 ...especially if it's a Friday ... now, time balance per days is too bad... too long Friday and too short Sunday..
2) Super stages should be promoted, but so that the teams are allowed to have tires for only that stage ...now the drivers' focus is too much on tires saving ... have you seen the hyundai&toyota festival of speed? The asphalt cannot be seen because of the tire marks
3) Regarding videos - banning them would make it difficult for inexperienced drivers to adapt quickly and would favor drivers with longer WRC experience
Agree with your point that mixed events. So for example Monte is a 500km event over 4 days. Perhaps Sardegna 250km over 2 days etc. keep it interesting. If you watch ERC that’s effectively a sprint rally championship format which isn’t a bad thing but I like the endurance rallying should be about.
Agree with a lot of your points, but time spent doing lots of mileage on road sections is time wasted. Once again Belgium have it cracked. At the event we’re doing this weekend for example the longest road section is 15km, all of the others are under 10km. Usually there is as much stage mileage as road mileage, fantastic 👌
@@bprally yeah Belgium is perfect in that respect. Just not sure how you avoid it on some rallies though
If he wants to do rallycross then so be it. As it is current rallying to me is a sprint event. Having done old style events, that is a test. Want a 9 to 5 job then do so. Sorry find current rallying as just an entertainment tv production.
One of the highlights of rallying is the night stages, so finishing at 5 would be a big loss. It makes rallying stand out from other motorsport. That said, driving 200km from Prague, for a ceremonial start, down to Passau doesn't sound like a good use of anyone's time.
Too long?
WTF?????
They are Too SHORT.
Should be minimum of 500km and NO reccee videos which they are watching now all night long.
Drive one time through all the stages and make pace notes from that and then do the Rally.
Not watching videos from the stages all night long.
Rallying USED to be an endurance sport. But with the end of Group B and the introduction of Group A, manufacturers wanted rallies shortened. Why? Because, as production based cars, group A cars simply wouldn't last the distances that rallies had previously been.
The point of my little rave? Rallying's greatest flaw, has been that events have spent the last 40 years getting shorter and shorter. Sure, this has allowed the cars to get quicker, but 10km stages? Really?
I date from the days of 200km forest sprint stages. Of 500+km, night based rallies. It is already difficult to call WRC rounds anything other than RallySprints. Make them even shorter? May as well just drop rallying altogether and have a world RallyCross Championship and leave it at that.
I have the greatest respect for Kalle as a driver, but 3 long days and one short one (Sunday) is too much? Imagine if he had to have a real job.
Then he should stay out of IMSA / WEC if driving too much is a problem. The drivers have breaks between stages. Edit: There is only 13 rounds There are 3 weeks between most rallies.
But his complaints wouldn't apply to series like WEC/IMSA. The whole event takes place in one location and a day's work load isn't anything like in rallying. It isn't the rallying itself that he dislikes.
Sick of Kalle's moaning. Go do circuit racing if sprints are what you want. Modern WRC events are only 300km. They don't need to be any shorter.
In the rally supplementary regulations you make fan / media access mandatory at certain times, this is how you stop the crew from hermiting away preparing for the next day or stage
Totally agree with @Andy_ATB
All the events are far too similar. In the 80's I loved following the Ypres 24 Hours as much as the 4 day RAC's or Safaris. Sadly both the last 2 FIA presidents have talked about changing the WRC. And in reality nothing has happened.
On a side note I notice on Dirtfish, Hybrid unit has been diched for next year. Given the fact it was pretty useless and the safety problems it introduced, for me that is goodbye and good riddance.
Rally 2+ Cars More Mileage and Night stages and go from there...
If Kalle doesn’t like rally, don’t do it, simple, I won’t miss
Is it not a queston that there are too many rounds in a year rather than individual rallies being too long? Used to be 8-10 a season. Now its more like an F1 schedule albeith not quite as extreme.
They do 12 / 13 events a year!!! It is a massive privilege to be in the WRC, if you don’t like it don’t, it’s ok, try F1 red bull need a new driver