Building an I.T. Infrastructure in Pakistan, Education and Punjab Gov - Dr. Umar Saif -
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Dr. Umar Saif comes on the podcast for an extremely informative discussion on the state of Information Technology in Pakistan; from why Pakistani Universities are failing to produce high level graduates to how political instability is destroying Pakistan's progress, on this deep dive podcast we discuss I.T., India, I.I.Ts, Higher Education, LUMS, PITB, Punjab Government, ITU, and how I.T. was used in Government projects in Punjab.
Dr. Umar Saif is the founder and CEO of aiSight.ai (formerly SurveyAuto.com). He is the CEO of Khudi Ventures, Pakistan's largest venture studio. He works as the Chief Digital Officer of the Jang/Geo group. He is also an advisor to the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) in Pakistan.
Previously, Dr. Saif was a cabinet member in Government of Punjab and served as the Chairman of the Punjab Information Technology Board (PITB). His work led to a radical digital transformation of the government in Punjab and several of his initiatives were replicated throughout the country. He was the founding Vice Chancellor of ITU and established it as one of premier technology universities in Pakistan. Dr. Saif founded Plan9, Pakistan’s first government-backed startup incubator, as well as Punjab’s e-rozgaar program. He is often cited as one of the main forces behind Pakistan's startup ecosystem.
Dr. Saif received his PhD in Computer Science in 2001 at University of Cambridge and worked at MIT for several years before returning to Pakistan. He was the first Pakistani to be named as one of the top 35 young innovators in the world by the MIT Technology Review (TR35) and the first Pakistani to receive a Google faculty research award in 2011. He was selected as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum in 2010. He has received the MIT Technovator Award, Mark Weiser Award, IDG Technology Pioneer Award and the British Council Outstanding Alumni Award. Dr. Saif was awarded Sitara-i-Imtiaz in 2014, one of the highest civil awards by government of Pakistan. He was named among the 500 most influential Muslims in the world consecutively between 2015-2020. In 2018, he was awarded the UNESCO Chair for using ICT for Development. Dr. Saif has founded several technology companies and serves on the board of various private, public and financial institutions.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:07 His PHD from Cambridge, being a professor at LUMS, teaching at MIT, and why Pakistan is left behind compared to Indian IITs
19:14 What our universities lack, his IT university, and how universities work abroad, the quality of our PHDs
29:46 Why he felt he could make a difference and how he joined the government
43:01 Government Issues & Punjab’s digitization of land records
55:55 Shahbaz Sharif and sales tax crowdsourcing, black economies, UPI and digitization
1:09:28 How India has digitized, importance of cash in Pakistan and India’s demonetization, and our lack of import substitution
1:17:59 Atoms and how they started, IT exports, remittances, tech industry in India vs Pakistan
1:33:31 What’s stopping PayPal in Pak, unicorn culture in India,
1:38:55 Audience Questions - Розваги
I know this has nothing to do with the current podcast, however today I watched a video on a Pakistani Hindu girl being forcibly converted to Islam. She and her family was crying bitterly to release her. I was extremely disturbed. Can you deal with this topic in your next podcast PLEASE
actually their fake quranic constitution never gave rights to non muslims....these monsters never understand the intellectuallt or philosophy of non muslims
They will never change, we just gonna have to make them cease to exist. In the span of world history 70 is nothing. No one will remember pakistan ever existed 500 years from now. Hindustan has always been here and shall remain. 🚩🇮🇳
They are busy worrying about indian sumlims.
They won't it need guts....
India barra radical ho raha hai! Dekho.. Indian twitter warriors yahan par bhi hate phaylaaney ke liye aa gaye!! (If they can read through thr sarcasm!)
LeT & JeM are greatest Pakistani start ups. Keep up the great job.
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Huge fan of the podcast. At 1:30:12 Dr. Saif is outright incorrect when he says that Indian govt was sleeping and was not aware of IT. On the contrary Rajiv Gandhi in mid-80s realized and foresaw the scope of computers/IT. In 1997, India had its very first IIIT (Indian Instt of Information Tech) established in Gwalior and today we have 10 globally reputed IIITs across India. Actually India started studying computers long before that, IIT Kharagpur launched its CSE deptt in 1963 with an IBM 1620 system - a novelty then, even in many North American and European universities. Truth is India missed the manufacturing bus, but was bang on prepared when it came to catch the IT bus. Govt of India was successful in creating a suitable and fertile environment for the IT, and Infosys, TCS, HCL, Wipro, Tech Mahindra and many others are a testimony to that. In the FY 2022-23 Indian startups got an investment of more than $40bn.
In India politicians do listen to intellectuals.
Before Rajiv Nehru realize this When Pakistan was changing PMs on daily basis.. i don't know why he said that
@@Zubair-Khan you probably need a library membership!!
Such ignorant observation... Not just the Central government...State governments opened SEZs, gave tax exemptions, built so much of infrastructure just for these IT companies... I remember how states use to out do each other in brining the IT companies to setup shop in their states... NASSCOM worked with governments to get policies in place... Here is this guy passing easy comments like this. Laughable that even so called well read live in this denial. For example, the whole world knows how CM of yesteryear Andhra Pradesh went all out to make Hyderabad an IT hub. Govts worked overtime to get their states get a jump start in IT.
India has made it very big in IT is because governments invested in education and institutions...the availability of the talent pool was made sure. Now that all lots of Global companies with Indian CEOS, the seeds were sown long back...not yesterday.
Jai hind sir...❤ from assam
Sundar Pichai is Mettalurgical engineer from IIT Kharagpur..
IITs are not just for IT/Computer Science, these are relatively new courses, IIT have all engineering fields. Pichai doesn't have any degree in computer science but still he leads Google and so many other IITians..
I am in IT and I don't have any IT formal degree, I work for a global IT giant company headquartered in USA..
because IT company also needs financial people managers to run the firm. Only coders can't run the company. Its very obvious
Sadly, IT/Software and medical are the only 2 top paying jobs. Thats why in IITs students from ECE, EE, etc. can sit for placements in IT/Sofrware.
Nothing to be sad about this. @@ignashi7plays401
Engineering kar k saalon beet jaye, branches k beech ki ladhai khatam nahi hoti 😂
Sundar pichai did electrical from IIT and metallurgy from. Stanford
I did my Bachelors from an IIT in 2015. I am working as a Software Engineer in Europe. One point that everyone misses is - What contributes most in the success of IITians is the peer group. The hostel life transforms a person totally in 4 years. The freedom to get engaged in non-academic activities with competent peers is of immense value. To this day, me and all my friends have a strong urge to go and spend a day in the campus.
For every 2 person who studied ,in a hostel, there must be 8 who were day scholars and went onto become good S/w engineers. This is conflating a happenstance. Good time to remind oneself that correlation does not imply causation. While staying in a hostel can indeed be transformative, it does not uniquely foster peer engagement.
Its also true that the ability to work in a a co-operative self correcting groupit is a an absolute necessary trait to succeed as a S;w producing community. Just going by sheer data. neither a IIT or a hostel life uniquely contribute to these traits.
My 2 cents - The trait could be cultural. (Why Japan (or even a China, South Korea ) did not grow to be software service giants is worth a case study ( Lack of English speaking population again would be a wrong conclusion.. Romania, Poland, and other eastern European countries are indeed successful cost centers even without a English speaking population.( The scale is only limited by their population)
Interesting!
@Hunzo Funai - In IITs, almost everyone stays in hostel. Probably 8-10 students in a batch of close to 1000 are day scholars. The students in IITs are generally not all from the cities where IITs are situated, but from across India. My argument was not merely about hostel life, but more about learning from competitive peers from diverse backgrounds, which is helped by a vibrant hostel life.
IITs have extremely good infrastructure. If you had gone to local college and had to do the dumb assignments which consumes most of your sem, at that point peer group can hardly help! Because same peers there would be competing for Infosys job as that’s what’s viable at that point. As someone pointed above coincidence is not causation.
Also IITs produce pretty average people in the end considering top tallent that goes in and the Infrastucture for country like india. In certain ways actually iits have more infrastructure than top univ in USA.
In my IIIT (Indian Institute of information Technology) there was no concept of day scholars. Even guys who used to live in the city used to live with us at the hostel rather than with their parents.
I did my graduation in Chemical Engg. from HBTI Kanpur. It is one of the oldest engg. institutes in India. I was the "kholu" of my branch in my year. There was a concept of "dhakkan" of the batch too, and was referred to the student who got the last seat of the last branch to be filled in that year. The "dhakkan" of our batch was the first person to leave the college 4 years out. Why? Because he had secured the highest rank in CAT in our college, and on the day of his last examination of btech, he wrote the exam, got in a taxi, boarded a flight from Lucknow Airport, landed in Ahmedabad, and registered himself in the MBA program in IIM Ahmedabad. That chap had the clarity of thought that although he had not secured the best of ranks in engg. entrance he still had the chance to make it big in PG. And today he heads a major insurance firm in Boston MA.
IITs are great, no doubts about it. But it is the grit of the Indian students in any institution that make them stand out. And it is the sanskar given to us by our parents that help us do that. Give the correct learnings to your kids and see them do wonders with their abilities.
As a MBA aspirant n just passed out engg..this sounds so good
I truly approve this...
It's not just IITs, It's actually in our DNA, be it any tier 2, 3 college we will anyways do better...😅
The world writes eng. To abbreviate engineering. Not engg.
@@agrippa-theskeptic9346 ok, thank you for the correction.
@@ashishtandon2008 🙏🏼
I did my graduation from IIT Roorkee, there were foreign students from many countries and among them Iranian students were the best academically and also socially.
My father is also an alumnus of IIT Roorkee
@@pratikghosh3499bhai tumlogo ke papa bhi iit me padhe he 😮 kya baat kar rahe ho
@@hirenahir76200 IIT were started in 1950s and there are 2 dozen IIT s across India
Dr. Umar sounds like a genuine guy, no fake accent, no showing off despite his accolades.
I am from IIT working in a fintech unicorn and I know how the tech and science has evolved in India over the years. I have worked with many Pakistani people during my research intern in Malaysia and they are really enthusiastic and have willingness to learn , podcast was great and the type of conversation is quite good, wish Dr Saif visit India and exchange his views on startup’s would love to interact with him
For them, Bank is haram so Fintech is not in Islamic dictionary 😂
Start-up Pak Kai Logo Ye Sab Samjh nhi aata..
Unhe Keh Gajwe Hind karenge Sab Ghar Kai Bhar nikl jayenge..😂
@@kartikshiroya2270how does your comment add value? Please respect the serious tone of this channel and do not demean yourself or cheapen the brand of India
@@rickbarringtonthankyou sir you really corrected the tone
Imagine when IT can generate such success for Pakistan... Imran was spending so much money for the creation of a religious center... And the public was thrilled😮
Two corrections: IIT Kanpur in Kanpur, UP North India.
Now a days IIT Mumbai and Delhi are top choice for Computer Science.
Thanks for the correction
IIT Madras too
The guest was talking about his time probably 30 years ago. IITK was the first CS department in India and was pretty good in those days
IITK is a close third. It's very good in term of placements.
He was referring to IIT Madras, from where Prof Hari graduated but got the city wrong by mistake.
Fun Fact: Azim Premji who owns one of the biggest IT firms (Wipro) in India apart from Infosys (which was founded by Rishi Sunak’s father in law). Azim Premji’s father was requested by Mohammed Ali Jinnah to move to Pakistan but his father declined and decided to stay with India.
@hulagu khan after so many years , I am seeing someone mentioning M&M story . I hope people keep believing in India and its ethos .
@hulagu khan
Mohammed Ali Jinnah's grandson Nusli Wadia is one of India's richest entrepreneurs.
@hulagu khan there were 3 founders. Jc Mahindra, kc Mahindra and Malik. The m&m stands for Mahindra and Mahindra (2 brothers)
Character, Loyalty, Integrity, Love for the land for the flag made him what he is right now.
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That's Ness Wadia. He is Nusli Wadia's son.
Can't believe how much impact this man has had on Pakistan and people don't even know him.
So all Pakistani aren’t Jihadi . He should be running finance ministry as IT head
@@malice-towards-allexceptions to every rule
@@malice-towards-allyour wish came true
It's not just IT. It's a mindset. I remember when a Pakistani tweeted admiringly about Stanford opening a branch in India and my immediate thought was "This is nothing to be proud of. I'll be proud when IIT opens a campus in California". We don't feel inferior to anyone in the world and it is that confidence, that leads to success. That reflects best in the IT sector because it is the most visible, but we're now working on making chips and have an upcoming defence industry. The seeds for the next ten years are being sown now!
Abe chitiye iit ki branch california mai kholegi toh usko indian institure of technology thodi na bolege
Just a small correction:IIT Kanpur isn’t in the South,it’s in UP (North India),I know that has little bearing on the discussion ,Alas!I am not bright enough to add much else except point out this minor matter of geographical location 😢
BTW My niece did Computer Science from IIT and now works for Microsoft in Seattle after spending some time at Microsoft Hyderabad ,so we are not all dumb in this family 😁😇
doesn't iit Bombay have the highest cut off since 2016? why did he say iit Kanpur?
@@paulhall1612 Yes,it does ,even IIT Delhi ranks higher than Kanpur ,I guess there are different ranking lists out there,it depends on what one wants to believe.
Thanks for the correction
IIT Madras topped the NIRF Rankings.
Sunder Pichai is from IIT Kharagpur, not from Metro cities. It is really does not matter for recruiter whether from Metro or non Metro, only IIT & talent matters. BTW Pichai had graduated in Metallurgical Engineering but heading a top notch tech company
In Eighties when Rajiv Gandhi was vigorously pursuing I T education in India, in Pakistan Gen. Zia was stressing religion Jahad etc. This way india moved forward and Pakistani youth became Jahadi fighters.
Spot on.
thats y pakistani only produce only terrorist
But what was the pak public doing? How can one man Zia decide the future of the country. This means people of pak don’t have wisdom
Very true, you have hit the nail on the head. Gen Zia radicalized the Pakistan public and hatredness against India. Today the damage has been done beyond mid course correction.
Rajiv Gandhi has nothing to do with IT industry!!!!!
Infosys and TCS etc existed before Rajiv Gandhi became PM.
Yes RG allowed computer import.......but still getting permission to import computers use to take 2-3 years after meeting ministers in Delhi 3-4 times. Infosys chairman Mr Murthy said on record that RG era import was difficult and moving computers in office premises was also required govt approval from Delhi.......
Despite RG's hindrance IT industry done extremely well because individuals of IT professionals and not because of govt.
23 IITs, 25 IIITs, 31 NITs, 1 Intl.IIT, 1 IISc, 37 CSIR Institutes, (all these are fully funded by Govt. of India). There are over 40 private technological institutions with very high standards partially funded. Then there are world class private institutions like BITS.
All these institutions collectively bring out over 150,000 world-class Engineering graduates every year. (Bachelors, Masters and Doctoral). In addition there are over 4500 Engineering colleges in India out of which 700+ are government funded.
The total number of Engineering /Technology graduates in India yearly is about 1,500,000 and even estimating just 25% are these are on par with world standards we have huge numbers. Out of these 25% top students, even if we loose half of these brains to USA and Europe, etc., We still are left with more than 150,000 well qualified young professionals. We are constantly looking to reduce the brain drain by creating opportunities locally. This is how our thinkings go......
Now to Pakistan,...
Your forefathers separated from India with two of the most fertile river basins in the world. The thinking was that they can build a better country for the Muslims of (a section of) India - this thinking itself is flawed from the beginning. Anyway past is past... However what's happened to those ideas and why Pak became like a group of mercenary force to fight in Korea, Palestine, Afghanistan, etc.
Mother India had 12% literacy during 1947 and just a handful of Engineering/Technology institutions at that time. Today there are over 5000 institutions... This itself shows that India had invested on Education in a big way.
Hey young Pakistanis, don't committ similar mistakes like your forefathers have done...
Your forefathers never bothered about anything other than Military strength and spent too much on that. Almost all leading businesses in Pak, are controlled by the Military. This single thing itself is the biggest hurdle in any meaningful innovation.
The best course of future for Pakistan is giving up Kashmir obsession totally and also stoping the hatred towards Hindus /India. This change will take sustained efforts for a period of over 15 years and is very painful for both the civilians and military in Pakistan, but the alternatives are more painful.
Moving towards friendly relationship with India and increasing trade is the only way. Don't steal the well-being and future of your children and grandchildren.
Nobody knows what India would be in 2047, yet few things are clear......
Having a Super power as an enemy in addition to sharing a huge land border with it - is this a wise thing??? - think it over.
What would be the non military influence of India in future?.
Very well written. Unfortunately most Pakistani are busy either escaping from the country or converting whatever little Hindus are there to Islam.
Jai hind.
Har Har Mahadev. 🙏
I agree on most things but kashmir belongs to Pakistan
@@Johnnyboy-nz9nz LC paar karke aakar lee ja kashmir.
Aur ateh waqt thaili vi lete aana....aata le jane ke liye.
You have every right to be that optimistic about india's future because in this blip in the long course of history, india does seem to have a bright future for now.
I dont really care what military establishment thinks about india but I can tell you this, I as a Pakistani, like all other Pakistanis, will never bow down to your kind and InshaAllah we will prevail over you.
Thess podcasts should be eye opening for you. Pakistanis have identified all the problems. Now we as a Nation will solve them and then we will be unstoppable.
What a great podcast .This guy is a genius. If he was in India he would be earning 10 million a year and if he was in US he would be earning 100 million a year .
what a wonderful conversation by dr umar. may god bless you. love from india 🇮🇳
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FAST CS grad here. I have studied and worked with many CS graduates from India, China and other countries. In my opinion quality of fresh graduates from top universities is more of less the same everywhere. However, the exposure students in India and China get later on within their countries is far more specialized due to the vast industries absorbing those graduates there. Software for medical devices to air traffic control and everything in between is being written within those countries. As a result, within 2-3 years, a good chunk of graduates are able to widen that gap with their peers from other countries with smaller industrial bases. Another point that is often overlooked is that both India and China came up with their own homegrown strategy which was implemented by their own people at every level, because simply copy-pasting what works in one country to another country or giving the responsibility of implementation to expats is bound to fail. Last but not the least, the relentless visa denials for Pakistanis in last 2 decades played a huge role in stifling growth of the local IT sector.
This sounds like a highly credible argument to make. It is very refreshing to hear an intelligent analysis from a Pakistani. 9 out of 10 times (make that 10 out 10), we Indians come over to Pakistani channels for some cheap thrills to hear the Pakistani lamenting (and with prejudiced or ill informed analysis, not because there is something useful to learn. They all regurgitate the same narrative that they feed each other in endless loop, specially about India (Even the supposed great Mr Prof. Hoodbhoy)
The host of this channel is an exception, while not surprised that his audience in Pakistan would also be similar, Thought I'd stand up and applaud a well thought out and cogent argument that makes a case.
@@chokkalingamsivamd6947 I respect your opinion. I think you again missed drinking your morning juice (not orange juice).
FAST useless university hai.
Thank you for inviting Dr. Umar Saif! I have been fascinated by his work for years! He's truly a visionary
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India’s largest IT company is TCS and they employ 6.25 lakh people as of last financial year
And I got there ot more ch**ya than any where else. ex TCS
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It's actually not only IITs. They are the best when it comes to Engineering and tech. India has also other world class institutions like IIMs, IISc, AIIMS, DU, NLUs, etc that are best in subjects like business. medicine, science research, law, humanities, commerce, respectively that have produced so many global alumni like economists in IMF and world banks and CEOs in MNCs like Coca Cola and mastercard as well as deans and chairs of high positions in universities like Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Oxbridge, etc. Sometimes I feel IITs are more popular outside due to software emergence in the world, when all the other institutions have produced equally able alumni and have equal standards. All these institutions have extremely low acceptance rate, not more than even 1-2%
IIT means extremely hard working individuals + Supportive alumni’s, of course they are smart as well. They don’t come through a selection process rather an elimination process
@@SelfSeeker almost all top entrance examinations in India are elimination processes, not just IIT.
Yaar aap log Anna University ko kyon chod dethe ho.
@@ak99-to1gz they don’t understand most of southern Indian stuff
@@AKB_Abhi technically yes, but almost all get a seat in an engineering college
This was very informative. Even though, I am from Karachi but I have always had respect for Shahbaz Sharif. He comes across as a very genuine person. Dr Umar Saif's stories about him was enlightening.
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Born too late for sea exploration, born too early for space exploration. Born just in time for this podcast 😁👌
well written
Well penned
@@hulagukhan-we3fw not in pakistan. i pay 2600 rupee a month for just 6 mbps plan
@@umar7182 Woah, I just pay ₹999 for unlimited 200MbPS
Extremely sensible, to the point and without exaggeration. Listening to the discussions on UPI and startups, we in India realize that we did something right😂
I have had the good fortunate of meeting with Dr. Umar Saif a couple of times. He brought energy and innovation at the PITB. I wish he had more time to implement all the plans at PITB and ITU. Unfortunately however, these plans could not come to fruition as the government changed in 2018. Public sector's loss is private sector's gain and I pray for this success.
Amazed by the fact that there was not a dull moment in this podcast. The conversation flowed really smoothly. Great job!
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Its IIT Bombay for CSE.
The top 100 rank almost exclusively goes there.
The mojo of IITians is not the just the education at IITs, it is the experience of tough exams, last week studies, group projects, the hustle and be at the top mentality, every guy has his thing which keeps IITians at the top. It won't matter what work they do after getting out, it might not be remotely related to the education. But the culture engrained there brings out the thinking that i can do this, need be study, hard work, networking, innovation.
IITs are like part passage ritual. After that you are ready for anything.
- 2016 bath IIT passout.
Come on, man you learned by rote to go to crack JEE & go to an IIT. Pakistan is a country of great entrepreneurs. They have IT experts like Ajmal Kasab. This great Pakistani IT expert was a school drop out. He made such a great name for Pakistan.
@@ChandraGuptaMouryaram ram ji
Just some information from India sir
1. Infosys training centre is in Mysore not Hyderabad
2. IIT kanpur is in a north indian city Kanpur
Indian states have created SEZ special economic zones where IT companies get land on lease at a very very low rate
IIT Kanpur is in NOrth India not in South India. In Indian State of Uttar Pradesh.
PS- The success of IIT Kanpur is not endowed in the fact that it is in North or SOuth.Just correcting the fact mentioned in the video.
Appreciate the VLog.
I think he wanted to point IIT Madras which is more successful now a days
@@jackrulz08 so?? U r saying kanpur varanasi iits of Uttar Pradesh are not?? They have the highest patents especially IIT kanpur
@@jackrulz08 IIT Madras is also good , especially after hyperloop project 😊
Pakistan: Minor Hindu girl Sohana Sharma Kumari abducted, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to a muslim man, Court refuses to let her return to her family; Sends her to Dar-ul-aman (Islamic orphanage) till final decision.
And hindu extremist lyncing muslim men for alleged cow sacrifice
Not trying to belittle Hindu religion
But we need to ignore extremist who act & constitute minority in both religions and both nations.
Majority of both of us are broad minded forward looking
That’s why I will never want “dosti” with this PoS country named Pakistan! They only want one way street - apni country mein minorities pe zulm and they wants minority rights in other countries
We can’t ignore extremism. And please don’t draw parallels with Pakistan the state of minorities there is pathetic.
Don’t go by media in India the population of minorities are increasing and in Pakistan they are almost insignificant now. So please don’t be in a la la land learn to except the reality
@@amrendrasingh7140 so u don't want me to believe media regarding India but u can believe media reporting of Pakistan
As India is more then 1 billion and extremist surely constitute a minority so is Pakistans population of 270milliom citizens and extremist are also in minority
For example take elections results of extremist party TLP which hardly has 1% of voters.
How much percentage does BJP has?
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Meanwhile Muslims in India are Presidents, Vice Presidents, diplomats, Millionaire entrepreneurs, Foreign ministers, Bollywood superstars and IPL's highest paid cricketers...
Can u sacrifice a pig freely in Pakistan ??
We NITians are just like those background dancers in a Bollywood movie. We may not be in the spotlight, but we play a crucial role in the grand scheme of things.
Shehzaad bhai please give some spotlight to NIT's as well😅
Top NIT's are better than many new IIT's
Scored 99.79 percentile in JEE Mains, i won't be qualifying for nit Trichy, gonna have to settle for nit surathkal 😢
Not only that, there are FAR MORE NITians at ISRO than IITians. The latter are seem as more arrogant, and NITians are much more TEAM-oriented. Obviously, ISRO's complex work projects require TEAMWORK.
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I am a IIITian, it is harder to get a seat in CS here then most IITs except the old ones but hame to koi puchta hi nahi (not that we care lol)
@@paulhall1612 the only time one should use "NIT Surathkal" and "settle" in one sentence is if you decide to settle down next to NIT Surathkal for the rest of your life!
It's an amazing college, it'll be the time of your life. All the best!
Such a productive podcast. Being a fan of Dr. Umar Saif I feel great to listen to the great achievements that I have known about him from years from his very own mouth.
Thanks for having him.
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He is a damn intellectual guy. Hats off sir. He knows India and its economy more than myself.
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Skill issue
How he knows India... He is saying IIT Kanpur in South India and he thinks IITs are all about Information Technology.
Keep up the good work. These discussions help set priorities for the youth... Your impact will be massive on the youth of Pakistan. All the best wishes from India
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Ha Jaise India Wale To चांद Pr बैठे हो..🤣
@@mrkeshav736😂
@@mrkeshav736Chand par bhi jald jhanda gaadne wale h beta wait Karo 23 August ko 😂😂
Excellent session! Impressed by Dr. Saif's grasp and recollection of a wide range of topics.
It is not that I know everyone, but I have the opportunity to hear many successful people from India and abroad.
Mr Umar Saif is simply amazing, not only in his pragmatic world view and intelligence but also in his humility and empathy for Pakistan.
I am equally stunned with the neglect of such a talent by Pakistan state. it doesn't matter which side of the border he resides in, his contributions to this society and world should be acknowledged.
An Indian living in Singapore in the IT industry. We have started working with Pakistani IT companies for some Malaysian clients. Few things that I would say:
1. These guys are hard-working people and eager to do well. Which is a good start.
2. Labor cost arbitrage is the fastest way to get some space into the international market, and that is how Pakistani companies outbid indian companies. Nothing wrong in that.
3. Key aspects though going forward will be - 2 skills - English speaking / comprehension and Coding skills. Being Indians while we could understand internal discussions between team members, 90% of people couldn't communicate with clients in English at all (which is lingua franca in IT industry). This language gap problem if continues will further impedence to the sustenance of further IT business.
My best wishes to the industry.
And before I get hate message from fellow Indians, there is enough business in the world for both countries and deriving happiness in someone's misery should not be a virtue of a "Vishwaguru".
Interesting!
Astagfirullah, Nauzubillah
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@@nuhuman88 as a fellow Pakistani I'm ashamed of u
Chill out dude.
Throwing adjectives unprovoked will surely invite hate comments.
Another productive podcast! Being in the IT industry myself I can relate to so many things. Good luck to all Pakistani brothers who are working for the betterment of this country. ❤
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Excellent. Dr Umar Saif is a gem. I have an agri tech startup idea since 2018. No assurance i have about the IPP and Certainly I am clueless where and whom to pitch. This is the state of startups in Pakistan
Umer Saif is an Asset for Pakistan, Thank you for your services Sir. ❤️
This was the most productive podcast on The Pakistan Experience!!!
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I am a UET graduate doing PhD in the US. The beginning of this podcast truly explained my experience that top talented kids go to UETs but the environment there is so dull and demotivating that you come out a useless piece of s***. I got the motivation to apply for US after doing my masters from GIKI.
Also, i really enjoyed the last part of the podcast being candid about the fact that if Pakistan does not value talented Pakistanis abroad, no one cares to come back and work in Pakistan.
Love your podcast. You are our Joe Rogan👍🏽
At 17:40 IIT Kanpur is not the best IIT. IIT Bombay is the best IIT which has a bit more than 100 seats overall. Also Kanpur is not in South India. It is in North India.
IIT Kanpur stands first in innovation index of NIRF Ranking this year ,too. Do check please. IIT Madras left IIT Bombay behind in NIRF ranking this year
@hulagu khan IISc is not a different league. Research is very field specific and IISc and IITs come within the same ecosystem in reearch.
@@ayushkumarmaurya668 NIRF rankings don't matter. The cutoffs are higher for IIT B. The context in that segment was about top students. IIT Bombay has better students.
@@divyanshusingh7124 so now , intellectuals have started giving most priority to cut off marks rather than innovation. That's remarkable. This is why our institutions stand nowhere near MIT etc.
@@ayushkumarmaurya668 The context here is not innovation.
Education system of India has been growing exponentially.
For example many of the online teachers here in india are not less than celebrities, they have their own fan clubs. 😂
That's amazing ..
@@hamzaasad532Do I need to tell you that is the problem with your views?
Galat fahmi mt paal india ka education sbse worst hai smjha exaption 4 - 5 college 😅.
I loved the ending message by the gentleman!!! Thanks for running this podcast!! As usual you were smooth and well informed!!
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IIT Kanpur is in Uttar Pradesh..
Current Indian Minister of Communication and Technology Ashwini Vaishnav is IIT Kanpur Alumni..
Probably the best podcast episode ihave watched in recent times. This man reminds of our Nandan nilakeni . Very profound knowledge n passion. Thank you
Was at a get together of about 10 friends from college, was surprised to see that everyone’s kids are into higher education, hugely qualified and some studying abroad and it’s not just boys but very happily girls too . India has today more people wanting to do engineering and we have less universities. These kids will change the future of any country they decide to live in
Fascinating discussion. I've been in IT field for 18 years now, mostly US. We get back end projects, but we often don't hear the business cases for it. Hearing dr saif describe the business case, how it was implemented and challenges is an amazing insight of IT infrastructure implementation in the 3rd world. Makes me appreciate our Indian IT overhaul and accomplishments even more
One correction, Infosys biggest training center is in Mysore, Karnataka
The podcast is highly praised for its brilliance, and there is a strong belief that the individuals these kind of people should be involved in government to enhance and refine existing processes.
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Credit should go to South of India to spearhead the IT boom and capitalise it in late nineties. Other states in India drew inspiration from the eclectic success of Silicon valley in Bangalore, Hyderabad and thereafter Pune. Also IT tycoon Narayan Murthy, Aziz Premji unleashed campuses which were best in the world... It's the timing that led to success and inspiration and eventually the India's growth Story.
Ps: Narayan Murthy's daughter is wife of UK Prime Minister..
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Most of mid level executives in IT companies of South India are from North India. They are much more innovative than the "rote learner's" from South. Having more engineering colleges doesn't mean u get the quality lot. Vinod Khosla & Satya Gupta are examples of how north Indians have contributed more to more global software & semiconductor industry than the likes of Satya Nadella or Sundar Pichai.
@@HafizeQuranAwesomeMunir That's an irony that North India doesn't have great infrastructure and hence these folks have to travel down to South. Noida, Gurgaon is no match to the IT infrastructure in Bangalore & Hyderabad. Kudos to the visionary leaders like SM Krishna, Chandrababu Naidu. North in the meanwhile had visionary leader in the form of Alooji, behenji & Totichor's and hence the migration.... Disgusting North Indian leaders!
Loved the one!! Listened to it on Spotify during my drive today and even though I knew Umar Saif was a genius but this podcast managed to show how he did so much more than any of us knew. It was really heartbreaking to see what "small men in big offices" can do to hinder progress just because of their personal likes and dislikes. Thank you for bringing him on the podcast Shehzad! This was great
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I'm an Indian medical student ...its been a long 2 years since I've not seen cash ....and its true for most of our college students.....abhi toh halat yeh he ki cash ke liye ..dukano me scan karke dena padta he ...aur unse request karna padta he ....cash dene
So true 😂
I am so impressed with this man, and am just feeling so sorry for what he had to go through for giving this country so much 😢
It is intellectual gems like Dr. Saif who are the best hope for Pakistan's future.
Everybody keep on talking about IITs but they forget our NITs our top state engineering and management institutes like NSIT, DTU, IIMs.
What a brilliant pod cast! I was hooked from the very first minute and I thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it. Shehzad, Thank you so much for bringing in such genuine, intelligent individuals who are worth listening to and learning from.
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Dr Saif
You are an hero. Educated Pakistani loves you and respect you❤
It's amazing to see so many IITians enjoyed the podcast and I appreciate their efforts in global IT market.. Keep making things easier for us 👍🏻
Half of these are lying lol..
Are you Indian?
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IIT is not just about Enginerring in comuter science or IT field only, so all iitians not work in just IT sector.
just a correction The qr codes in India have always been unified, but businesses like Paytm and PhonePe give the user the qr with their company name on it.
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Great experience Sir Now after Politics series This is the way forward for us😊🥰
28:20 this is insane. Even an engineering student at IIT or BITS would probably know the most prestigious journal of their subject.
Top engineering BTECH students in IIT publish in top conferences.
I am not even a Physics graduate but I know PRL (Physical Review Letters) is one of the top journals to publish research in Physics.
Privileged to be listening to Mr Umar. Thanks Shehzad bhai
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Iam an Indian and I love this professor I mean sane people should represent pakistan . Really inspired
This is first time I could do patience to go through almost whole podcast. Good one..
One small correction other than the IIT Kanpur one. Infosys training institute is in Mysore and not Hyderabad.
On the example of company distributing free double-roti to inflate their GMV, these companies should be discouraged because these are doomed. In India, multiple such start-ups have folded down who were just looking at topline, never bothering about bottomline and unit economics especially in Food-tech where the whole industry folded-up to leave 2 big players from 10+ because they were not looking at unit economics. The start-ups who are the top draw in Indian start-up ecosystem, Zerodha & Zoho etc, never took VC money and they went on to change the paradigm.
Probably my favourite podcast so far! Loved every second, thanks for bringing on such accomplished peeps!
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Finally . . a long awaited guest and what a guy he is 😇 quite insightful discussion n May ALLAH give him more n more opportunities to serve Pakistan.
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This is the bestest of the best podcast.
This great man! Is responsible for the current 3 billion dollars per annum software export!!!!! Of Pakistan.
Whole Pakistani population is now benefitting from his selfless work and contributions towards the economy.
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A lot of gud private schools and pre-university colleges have come up in Indian towns and cities. Basic of sciences and mathematics are taught very well in schools. Further it is improved in pre-university colleges. This helps pupils to excel in medical and Engg universities..
I must say, its heartbreaking to hear firsthand how someone trying to lead us to progress had his hands tied. Excellent podcast as always. The interviews keep getting better and better, Shehzad! Im also loving the fraudcast. Very cathartic
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Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed, Professor of Political Science at a University in Sweden, is on a visit to India. What he is saying is revealing. One thing that stands out is that he sees a lot more readership in India than in Pakistan. Knowledge is valued, appreciated in India. Now that this is translating into monetory benefits, even people from low S.E strata want to give their children best education, which means an English education. They don't mind spending a large share of their income to get their children educated in a good school. We can see the result of this already. The maid working at my mom's place in Chennai has a son who is a civil engineer working in Singapore! Such stories are becoming commonplace.
India is going through an education revolution and will become a Knowledge economy in the next decade or so.
Highly appreciate Umar saif sb. Phenomenal work by PITB during his time. Please, utilize Arfa Karim IT tower to its full potential. Every floor should be lit day and night with software houses providing services 24/7. Please recommend it when you are at a post of authority. Hopefully, see you soon as part of the Punjab govt in the next setup. 👍🏻
Even though I am an indian I feel patriotic for pak whenever I see Pakistan podcasts like your channel and pakistonomy.🤣🤣🤣🤣 I really really want ki apka mulk bahut tarakki kare. There's a lot to learn from pak people like self criticism. We neighbours need to learn this trait from you guys. Love from India bro. All the very best to you and your country ❤
But why most of us feel sadistical pleasure in other's misary on both sides
@@JitendraYadav-jp1gj I know people do feel pleasure seeing Pakistanis struggling, while we ourselves at home have several things to worry upon especially our poverty. The only reason I think of is the antagonistic nature of Paks establishment towards India since day 1. Their policy to bleed India with a Thousand cuts have worked in Karmic form against them. That sure is a sight to look at!
We have democracy where alot of criticism , I guess you never emerged from your shell this is why you are claiming here that we have to learn from pakistan 🤡 even we have so many people who criticize our education, goverment, industry, system etc, I guess you are a chapri who don't even know about his own country.
Bhai tum jiyo hazaro saal
Indians have been self loathing and doing self criticism for decades. Pakistanis started self criticism and introspection after 75 years when it is too late for course correction.
I just stumbled across this podcast it was genuinely interesting looking forward to the upcoming episodes.
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Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Dr. Saif’s clarity of thought is truly impressive and excellent line of questioning as always, Shehzad. Thank you both!
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Digitalisation of land records was a challenge in a state and county like Punjab/Pakistan . I am impressed by the efforts that this team has put in . 🇮🇳🇮🇳
Btw this hasn't happened in India yet. It is going on these days.
@@amishbhat3560 they have been digitalized in UP.
I have been watching this and appreciate the content . On topic of IIT, additionally there are other univesities like BITS, DIT , Thapar patiala, REC (Regional Enigneering college) etc. etc which might sound like tier 2 univesities but have excellant placements and infrastructure and it has been there for long time . Culurally , like 40 years back, we used to have Engineer, Doctor and Lawyer as top 3 main career streams ...
What an impressive professional. I'm surprised that the Govt of Pakistan has not used his considerable talent to build the intellectual capital of Pakistan. Hats off to you Dr Umar
Govt. Of Pakistan or the eco system of pakistan is only interested in people that have talent for death & destruction😅😅🤣🤣
I'm an IIT alumni, and everything is student run and self-study or self training in iits. College provide platform and students train themselves to be best, and yes iits don't allow politics, individuals run in elections, but they are not political.
On UPI, i've not used any cash in last 3 months and very few cash in last 1 year
Didn't have a single dull moment while listening to this erudite and at the same time jovial conversation.
Three cheers!
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IIT Kanpur is in North India, just so you know. Respect for the research you have done, i read about you after watching this podcast. Shout out to the host, this guy is bringing the real Pakistan upfront and I think this will help the think tanks in Pakistan to look at the real issues. Fan... fan... fan...
It's in Uttar Pradesh 🇮🇳
Although IIT alumni have definitely done well, Satya Nadela who is often quoted as an example of an Indian CEO is not an IITian. He’s often credited with turning Microsoft around in a post-Ballmer era.
Neither is Shantanu Narayan who is CEO of Adobe.
Neither is Ajay Banga, ex-CEO of MasterCard.
Pakistanis don't help Pakistani..
I recently lived as PG in Pakistanis home for 3 months in Netherlands, that Pakistani doesn't keep any Pakistani as PG, he only takes Indians for last 8 years..
Wow
I have watch many podcast on this channel, he seems very knowledgeable, factualy right person on the matters of India.
I feel Dr. Umar is not talking on the base of media or news, he actually knows what's happening.
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EXCELLENT and inspirational podcast! Best part was that the host did very little interference and gave most time to the guest- Thanks.
A lot of ideas on IT- please bring guests regarding Agriculture and light manufacturing innovation in future.
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This particular episode is a goldmine. Thank you so much for doing this, Shehzad.
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Much awaited podcast.
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This podcast is a treasure trove of knowledge and insight! 🎙🌟 The conversation with Dr. Umar Saif sheds light on the state of Information Technology in Pakistan and explores various fascinating topics, from the challenges faced by Pakistani universities to the impact of political instability on the country's progress. Dr. Saif's expertise and experience shine through, as he shares valuable insights on IT, higher education, government projects, and the digital transformation in Punjab. It's inspiring to hear about his contributions to Pakistan's startup ecosystem and his role in promoting technological advancements.
The podcast host, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh, does a fantastic job of facilitating this informative discussion, creating a platform for meaningful conversations. Good job and keep it up.
Its really sad to see that gems like Dr. Umar Saif is not willing to work for Govt. of Paksitan anymore!
Thank you!!
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I'm a big fan and regular customer of Atoms. I've also ordered Markhor from Pakistan. I can assure Markhor quality is absolutely world class and their customer service is also very good.
Theyre amazing
Podcast of Pakistani’s, but I haven’t heard any word like “Ma sha Allah, Insha Allah, alham dullila”, is more interesting to me 😁😁
Dr umer saif sb, you are an ocean of knowledge. You are a real patriot. please don't give up doing great work for Pakistan.
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Too much Islam to hide their Hindu past is the biggest reason behind the downfall of Pakistan. If Pakistan would have persevered their Hindu population then there would have too much connections between them and Indian Hindus and bilateral trade would have been around 100 billion dollars per year. All ancient Hindu temples in Pakistan if not destroyed would have brought 20 billion year dollars through pilgrimage from Hindus from India. But everything was destroyed and now nothing can be done now.
Ashok we are quite a mixed race. I myself am a descendant of Hindu Rajputs and Turk Muslims. Yes, they are people who try to hide their Hindu past but it's stupid. On Hindu population, Pakistani land was majority Muslims even in 1947 and Hindus got migrated. There's substantial Hindu population in Sindh and it has not declined, it's a myth that Hindu population is declining. However I'm very concerned for their rights as i confess that there are huge problems. Hopefully we will be able to get things straighten out. One thing both Indians and Pakistani people misconceive is that Pakistan was made for Islam, no it was just made for a large minority which has certain geographical concentration. Pakistan not giving due rights to it's minority population is antithetical to it's own principle of independence. On india pak relationship, actual hurdle is not Hinduism or Islam, it's the Kashmir, we don't have much issues apert from Kashmir question. Other issues also stem from Kashmir question. Indians are afraid to admit that Kashmir is the anamolic state that they are trying to cling to. So called terrorism in Kashmir was actually a freedom struggle, BUT i don't know why the heck it was actually veered towards terrorism such as Bombay attacks, which boils my blood.
[Btw buht se log apny esy relative se distant krna chahty hen jo unko consciously or subconsciously lower standard or caste ka lagta hai, aur esy relative se associate krna chahty hen jo higher status ka ho. Ab Pakistani aur indians mentality in this regard right hai ya wrong but Pakistani indians ko formar wala relative ki tarah treat krty hen aur Indians Pakistan ko later waly relative ki tarah even ke Pakistan is waqt in a really bad state]
And I'm not here to fight rather discuss. So I'm pleading you in advance that in reply u will be civil too
@@randomdosing7535 aapko kayame pakistan tak Kashmir issue chodana nahi,India need not bother as pakistan has put itself on auto distruction mode on single issue & they should never do so. Best of luck pakistan
@@randomdosing7535 Only 2 to 3 percent people are mixed race and rest are common Hindus who were converted through greed or force. Even if you are mixed then which race should identify you? If a Pakistani girl goes to Turkey and marries a Turkish man then what her kids will be called? Arab has understood the Islam as Arabic is their mother tongue so they are defying every command given in Quran and Hadees and following the path of humanity despite too much anger from their clergy.
You were brainwashed to hate Hindu Kaafir but the Arab who funded that brainwash campaign are now close partner of same Hindu kaafirs. And same Muslim Arabs don’t respect Pakistan or it’s leadership because they know Islam is not going to help their future and they are moving away from Islamic fundamentalism.
Dont you feel cheated and stupid?
Pakistan has go back their roots and leave Islam on mass then only you will be respected again and things will start improving again.
And it is America that doesn’t want Muslim to become modern and in recent interview MBS revealed it was US who asked them spread radical wahabi ideology in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Islamic countries. Even the radical literature was came from US only.
Now think how you were made fool on the name of Islam. Learn Arabic and understand the reality of Islam. Don’t follow any desi Mullah as they are the biggest munafiq.
@@randomdosing7535 Agar Pakistan minorities k liye bana tha toh sirf Muslims q gaye? What about Buddhists, Jains, Jews, Sikhs. Sabse zyada jo log mare the 1947 me were Sikhs. Sikhs ko maar maar nikala gaya Punjab se. You are trying to whitewash your history. Why is it called Islamic Republic of Pakistan and not Minority Republic of Pakistan. Pakistan was made in name of Islam.
Even as per Mohandas Pai "The IITs have completed 50 years and have helped build India. They were set up for producing high quality technical human capital for India and have met their objectives. But, as is the character with such institutions, they have not changed with the times and are not providing India with what she now needs. They have remained largely teaching institutions, as they were set up, not transforming into research based, innovation driven agents of change for the India that is now emerging.They seem unwilling and unable to change - overburdened by work, driven by a small vision, starved of adequate resources and owned by an apathetic master. They seem to be in a state of perpetual decline though there are some bright spots, but not large enough to meet the needs of time"
I think govt should provide more funds rather than increasing the number of IIT's.
This guy is for sure changing the situation