The History of Pakistan after Partition and the Creation of Imran Khan - Muzamil Shah -
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- Anchor, Journalist and Thinker, Syed Muzammil Shah, comes back o the podcast for a detailed overview of PTI and Imran Khan's politics; we go into the history of Pakistan, comparing it with India, to see where they went right, and where we went wrong, and what can both countries learn from each other.
• The History of Pakista...
Is Imran Khan Anti-Establishment?
Why Pakistan struggled after 1947?
Does Pakistan even want good relations with India?
Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
01:11 Muzammil joining Bol and Imran Khan's narrative building
13:50 Establishment’s mistakes and loss of power
23:57 Supporting PDM vs Supporting PTI
28:47 PDM’s operation against PTI and Anti-Establishment Politics
37:41 Imran Khan’s health and Democracy
44:50 How Pakistan began
54:00 Military’s role, separate electorates, Pakistan’s relationship with Religion
1:04:04 US Aid & Ayub Khan, Musharaf’s fake secularism, and the 1965 war
1:13:42 Relations with our neighbors and India and Abhinandan
1:20:32 The COAS position, Pakistan’s declining geopolitical status and our inability to compete economically
1:28:35 Moral stances, conflicts of interest and things India has done right
1:39:53 Pakistan’s identity crisis a real issue?, are economic issues the root of all problems
1:49:09 The TTP and the Establishment
1:58:50 18th amendment, a step back in 2018 and the suffering of Pakistan’s politicians, and university politics
2:08:40 Urdu as a national language and the Pakistani identity and cricket with India, the dream of an open border, secularism and identity politics
2:24:35 IK’s stance on Covid and his savior complex
2:40:56 Summarizing what we need to learn - Розваги
Thank you,Hindu for accepting a every Religion,ethics,Culture.Long live India.From Christian community Of Northeast India
Brother, Are there any major development projects going on in North-East India under current government? I want to know
@@LUCIFERSTAR17yes rapid infrastructure development in North east states under this government . Recently sikkim got its first railway station . Arunachal pradesh got it's first airport under this government. Border areas of North east states are getting connectivity with other part of india under this government
@@LUCIFERSTAR17 Still developed than Pakistan and Bangladesh
I am hindu and I love our Christian brothers❤❤❤❤
@@LUCIFERSTAR17
Like Pakistan where the Army and Establishment are dominant and have grabbed power without any legitimacy...In India, the power was grabbed by the Congress in the name of freedom fighters. But now the people of India has understood the real root cause of the problem of the nation... they have been uprooted from the power and by the grace of God...we are on the right path since 2014. 😊😊😊
2:13:39
I am an Indian Christian btw and I have to say this clear and loud .
Bharath Ganarajya 🇮🇳 stays 'Secular' because of its 80% Pluralistic Major Hindu Population.
The existence of Hindus in majority inside India is Paramount and Non Negotiable.
The day Bharath looses it's Hindu population , it will stop being 'Secular'.....got it ?.
Cuz either it will be an Islamic Shariah State like Afghanistan OR Communist state.
We the Indian Abrahamics inside India -
( Jews , Muslims and Christians ) are 10,000 % safe regardless of us also being Hindus Civilizationaly and Culturally...
This Evangelisation of Monotheism is a Cancer started by Middle East due to which we the Indians have lost our Sacred Motherland's Vedic Territories (starting from Gandhara / Kaabul).
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Proud of you bro
Dude is more indian than me
I cant be sure whether you're a fake account or not, but it's shocking to see you are openly saying this fact which is a matter of common sense.
Thank you sir for acknowledging this. Most Hindus, Christians, and other education-oriented groups in India want to have a better future and not indulge in anything bitter. I always think of myself as a Human first and then a Bhartiya.
I have listened to a lot of Pakistani UA-camrs, intellectuals and Podcasts, but the 1 person worthy of respect is Syed Muzammil Hasan . One fun fact is that Indians regardless of being right or left or liberals love to hear him.
Only 40 % Indians know about India's Army General name.. In India he is just a top executive...( or atmost will be learned for GK exam ) . But 90% Indians surely know who is chief of Pakistan Army.
Thats the problem...
Vr true.only 20%
Knowing your enemy is the problem?😂😂😂
same even i write the same comment everywhere
Because army generals are thieves so they famous.lol
More like only 15% will know Indian army general
How many got here just to hear Syed Muzzamil?
I am his big fan . Great asset of Pakistan
It's a podcast with him, so obviously everyone?!😂
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Everyone? 😅
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Here's the history of Pakistan
1947 we cannot live with hindus
1953 we cannot live with ahmedis
1971 we cannot live with Bengalis
1980s we cannot live with shia
1990s we cannot live with muhajirs
2000s we cannot live with pashtoons
2020s labbek labbek labbek sabke sar tan se juda
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Well said about Pakistani Army,Elites and Bureaucrats.
The fight for an Islamic caliphate started in 8th century by Md.Qasim. Only the name was decided in 1947.
so true ..
what a shame for a country ...
71 migrated bihari population dosent have an ID(nationality) OF THE COUNTRY ,TILL TODAY ..what a shame
@@globalcitizen1856 hejaz bin yusuf burned mecca and took the black stone with him.
He sent his nephew Qasim after family of prophet
I'm an indian & huge fan of Syed muzamil bcz of his rationality & critical thinking..
But supported kasmir ki India zulam kr rha hai
@@user-yw5zs3pw8g Whatever. Rational thinkers accept facts if presented. He'll speak what facts he knows.
I think Syed is one of the very few people from Pakistan who have progressive thinking and can think beyond religion. Stumbled upon his one short video somewhere..first video or podcast from Pakistan that I found interesting n actually finished it..good job guys! Love from 🇮🇳 ❤
We also love arundhati Roy ❤
Whether or not Pakistani hate India, they do hate Hindus. This has been my experience dealing with Pakistani for over 10+ years now. It shows up, often in form of off-the-cuff remarks, followed up with an admission-- an uneasy mix of being startled and general awkwardness. I used to pass these things over but now If I sense a shred of Hindumisia, let the other person know of my reservations.
Bhai hamara mulk hi hindophobia pe bana hai poora
@@meikylawan3148 Speak of your own values and perspective. Pakistan hindu hatred per kabhi nahin bana. Ajeeb sauch!
@@asma-mushtaqlisten to speeches of your leaders from the point of independence and their view why there is a need for Pakistan
@@asma-mushtaq Jinnahs statement for creation of Pakistan was that Muslims cannot live with Hindus if they're in majority. That it is impossible for both these societies to co exist. The Hindus didn't ask for Muslims to leave madam. Itihaas padh loh apna
Literally can be said the same about you guys.
Indian constitution is secular not because its written by ink on that paper...its because Hindus were always secular...and Hindus were secular because secularism has a sense of human fareness at its core! So it all comes from culture... Indian culture has roots in enlightenment, and so India always had a head start!
India is not secular.
This is 100%true because 50% of lay man on street has never read or knows Constitution.
Brother I totally agree with you Hindus or secular Agar Aap SCST Hai tu kabhi circular nahin Honge
Not only Hindus but all religious communities except islam were/are/will secular. And only muslims, because of their religion islam, can't live/stay/mingle with all other religious communities as anyone can see wherever muslims are in majority, muslims want dirty cruel barbaric age-old islamic law and wherever muslims are in minority, muslims want secular law - even muslims will start agitation by demanding seperate country like in China's western part ujgairs, Russia's Chechen, Mynamar Rohingyas, Phillipines Southern region. Even muslims in Canada start claiming once a while in future, there will be majority islamic community & therefore islamic law will be embraced in near future. Same is the case with most of the European nations.
True but in recent times Hindus organization likes VHP and bajrang dal.
Are not follower of hindu philosophy.
They filed with hate and obsessed with muslims.
Hats off to these new generation, rational, vocal journalists of Pakistan. I have just subscribed to this channel today and whole day I am watching.
Go to Pakistan disrespecting Modi saying kashmir Pak hai librandu spotted
Muzamil shah bro you should write a book about world history and I would be the first one to buy that book. The amount of information you have and it's so fascinating to listen to your voice, so soothing. It's 4.51 am in the morning here in India and i am listening to this podcast since last almost two hours and still feeling fresh. Love from India!❤
Hindusim fundamentally is different. At the core it is secular. Secind Modi ji enjoy popularity not because he is Hindu because he has deliver economically. Also he enjoy support by a lot of Muslims of India.
You are wrong in your last sentence. Muslims don’t support Modi whatever the case may be. An Indian muslim at core of his heart is as islamic as a muslim from pakistan.
I'm an indian muslim and what you're saying is complete bullshit. Modi/BJP has completely radicalised the society and we can feel that on the ground level. BJP supporters don't care about jobs or economy. In their eyes, if you support BJP, you're a "true deshbhakt" otherwise you're called an "anti-national" and will be asked to go to pakistan. They justify each and every decision/policy of the central gov and call it a masterstroke, doesn't matter how shit that may be.
@@the69prophet47 ikr. Indian Muslims voting for BJP is like a person writing his own name on a death note. yet to find an Indian muslim supporting BJP. Even sane Hindus don't support them let alone Indian Muslims who are their primary victims.
@@the69prophet47 banning of tripple talaq was hugely popular with Muslim women. Sareshwala is a huge supporter.
@@the69prophet47 Lol ! Modi has more supporters from Daudi Bohra Muslim community in Gujarat. Soch samaj ke bola karo .
1:15:40 "Modi to koi pro Pakistan Aadmi nae Hai?"..... yaar Modi is only pro India. It isn't his job to be pro Pakistan, that the job of your politicians. International relations main dosti nae hoti...sirf common interests hote hai
Here for muzzammil but the guy on host seat got serious questions with logic and also his own knowledge.. that makes the podcast more effective to audience. Love it ❤
Thoroughly impressed by Syed Muzammil Shah's clarity and awareness of the political history of the subcontinent. Subscribed.
In recent history
1. Pulwama happened.
,2. Imran stopped trade and doengraded consular relations.
3. Pakistan PDM government has said it will not import from India even those food items that would make life easier for ordinary Pakistani
4. Your foreign minister Bilawal makes a personal attack on Indian PM. A month later his father, the former President of Pakistan repeats it.
5. Pakistan says that there can be no talks with India unless they reinstate article 370. In effect they want India to make huge concessions just for the privilege of talking to Pakistan?
S. Jaishankar called Pakistan a terrorist country in the UN assembly, and you're wailing our foreign minister made a personal attack on your PM-what an irony! Secondly, you guys talk about the Pulwama attack, while you guys invaded Pakistan in 1971 and disintegrated it. On the other hand, Pakistan never supported the Khalistan movement. Thirdly, I'm glad that our intellectuals have the nerve to speak against our leaders and praise India on several issues. On the other hand, I've never seen any Indians praise Pakistan. Additionally, India has blocked Pakistan's participation in the SOC meeting as of today, March 22. Lastly, Pakistanis never used the anti-India card to win electoral popularity, while it is quite opposite in India. You guys are biased as ever, my friend.
@@zeeshanqamar6117 khalistan movement time pakistan was ready to invade india agar bhindi wale ne khalistan declare kar diya hota.
@@zeeshanqamar6117 bhai terrorist ko terrorist hi bolte hai deal with it. And india tum bhikario ko bahut piche chor chuka hai
@@zeeshanqamar6117 1. You have managed to overtake Afganistan in case of terrorism .
2. India had to enter Bangladesh because of the atrocities faced by the population in Bangladesh which led to pouring in of refugees into India.
3. I don't think India has ever blocked pakistan from attending SCO meeting. Provide link to such article.
4. Praise pakistan lol praise pakistan for what exactly? Kaunsa Nasha karte ho bey.
5. Also links of pakistan with khalistan is being investigated. And don't worry we speak with facts unlike pakistan where photos of elsewhere is shown as photos of Jammu and Kashmir.
Aur Rahi baat bias ki lol woh toh Hume Pakistanis na bole. Pakistan and Unbiased. 😂
@@zeeshanqamar6117 bro isn't Pakistan a terrorist country, in which country Osama was, from where attackers of Mumbai came. You blame India for 1971 but read the history which is not written by a Pakistani author and you will know how Pakistan army rap*d and killed Bangladeshi yeah India supported mukti vahini but it was Pakistan who launched the attack first, you are saying Pakistan doesn't support khalistani than tell me why there is only Indian portion of Punjab is covered in khalistan not Pakistani Punjab, you expect from us to praise Pakistan but you are a Pakistani tell me on which front Pakistan is doing excellent work. Bro you said Pakistani don't use anti India politics your politics is entirely controlled by your army and your army's existence depends upon enmity from India.
Loved how he mentioned it is easy to be secular country when 80% population is Hindu, which more amicable towards pluralism.
Timestamp???
2:13:00
@@Anvi777 Glad you got 'approval' from those who themselves seek approval from others.
@@kpp2941 it's not about approval. It's about they admitting the fact and we appreciate it . We don't need approval from others. We know what we are .
@@Mira-pm3ni u r right
i am that person who wore virat kohli jersey and i was caught by cameras eye(live) during pak vs aus Test. and also on facebook pages
tu kia karien.. gaa aand marien ab teri kia? Virat KOhli ke short pehn ya kisi aur ke.. no one gives a sh*t
@@AdamAdam-uy9pu💀🗿
That's the way forward buddy love people on the basis of their quality not on the basis of their religion. Musalman need to recognise the new world order which have nation state, and not the Muslim ummah , I am not saying hate other Muslims I am just saying view every else on same level and indifferently.
You two have a superb grip on the political history of the land. So proud to see that we aren’t just producing zombies.
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Super grip on shit
Bro election is very very fair in India recently all parties got 3 states Delhi , Himachal , gujrat if you don't know don't speak I am from Himachal and have seen how the whole process works literally armed officer carry ballot and even if one party who were present in polling booth raise a complaint whole process starts again with help of judiciary
edit- himachal have congress as state government
Fair elections kept India as one
shame on himachal for voting congress. pray god for your development.
@@praneethjayasimha5943 who are you to judge whom they should vote
It was depenf on Himachal people
Not a congress supporter par jo tu bola raha wo bhi chutiya baat hai it was against all norm of democracy
It was not that india democracy failure
It was opposition failure they can give proper fight to bjp
Opposition was confused and hopeless
Media was controlled by state now by funding not through terror
Speak against Modi is like u are anti india or hindu which make no sense
@@ralphyyy8679ndia ki opposition ke pass koi vision hai bas Modi ko Gaali do din bhar bas ye vision hai media fact pe Baat karta hai media dekhna chod do Saari chahe wo right left koi bhi ho fact hoga to dekho
With all due respect, we indian think that pakistan hurt us by terrorism and wars. Sometimes pakistani forget that whenever india try to reach out, india got hurt in responce
Dnt Forgot Wht Guru Said About Muslim,,Hath,,Oil,,Teel,,
obviously India is kaafir country for em they will curse us and do jihaad against India but when they feel their country is weak then will start doing altaqaiya by acting with these kind of sugarcoated words bruh, never trust your enemy especially paxtan , we shouldn't even consider em worth to have talk with islamic zombies bruh
Kashmiri Mujahideen destroying indian army again is Karma, Chinese Army is destroying indian army in last 5 months, 2023 Khalistan Movement is Karma, Naxalite-Maoist Insurgents destroying indian army again is Karma, Nagaland Insurgents destroying indian army again is Karma, covid crisis against indian cricketers is karma, adani crisis is karma, joshimath and other indian cities sinking is karma, assam and meghalaya fighting each other is karma, meghalaya wanting independence is Karma, measles and aids crisis in india is karma, india is ranked 107th place on world hunger index
@@man74468 it's also a isi backed agenda, don't worry 40% population of punjab is hindu n low caste r also not interested in khalisathan
@@user-yn8gm3fb1t murder of indira gandhi was karma. 1984 Khalistan Movement was karma. 2023 Khalistan Movement is Karma
So glad to see a guest like Syed M Shah.... so clearly delineating all the core issues which led to the dismal state of affairs in Pakistan. His honesty and lucidity as well as fact based analysis of how and why Pakistan devolved and disintegrated rather than flourished after 1947 is refreshing.
Impressed by the depth of knowledge and clarity shown by both about your country ''s history, politics, economics and society. The ability to recall facts and weave them into the conversation is amazing.
German foreign minister came India to participate in G20 foreign minister's meeting and her plane landed before schedule time. In the meantime she was having here lunch inside the plane but all of a sudden she came out without informing Indian receiving staff. This incident was later clarified by the German and Indian officials. We Indian respect our guest "athithi devo bhava". btw this podcast channel is doing good for pak people.
indian youth are so innocent. no plane will land in india without prior approval. this was a deliberate move by india retaliating her comments in the previous meeting. and she was not idiot to came out of the flight early to embarrass herself knowing that no one will be there to receive her. all the comments made in the media is just coverup by germans. india has not even commented on this incident.
Correct
No plane lands without permission of ATC, people who invite usually keep in touch with ATC. It was just face saving exercise
Facesaver story from k-rauts.
After barboeck was snubbed on landing in 🇮🇳, k-rauts consoled themselves with above story to save face.
@@yashashsgowda6662 The story came from German consulate first. It’s not fairy tale. Watch the delegate’s video before you appear as a fool.
As a Indian one thing I can confidently say that Indian election are fair and not influenced by any factor. I know it's really difficult for Pakistanis to believe in this and I don't blame you bcz you never have fair election and democracy.
No they aren't completely fair. BJP gets away with a lot of model code violations. The election commission delays announcements of elections sonthat stops could be handed out
During the process of polling itself there is next to nothing disturbances but what is more corrupt and opaque than electoral bonds.
This is not entirely true. Muslim hate and Pakistan hate has always been part of the narrative to bag votes. And. BJPs narrative has been an amalgamation of prejudice towards Muslims and Pakistan
71 kay election fair ni thay?
71 kay election fair ni thay?
Looking at this startup gives me hope for Pakistan ...Love from India 😊
It is a pleasure listening to Muzmmil,he speaks so well and points out facts.All the best to him
Watched the whole podcast in 7-8 installment due to the paucity of time (bcz I hv to look after my studies as well.)
There are few corrections I would like to make-
1. Privy purse was not abolished right after the independence but in 1971 by 26th amendment by Indira Gandhi.
2. Army has never been used against the naxals, it's the duty of state police & then CRPF (Central reserve police force)
3. There were two operations in Golden temple- Operation blue star & Black thunder. In Blue star, Army was carrying the operation & black thunder was civilian operation.
4. Nathuram godse was not from RSS but from Hindu mahasabha, Indian judiciary has confirmed this. Same statement given by Rahul Gandhi, later he had to apologise to RSS.
5.As far as Media is concerned, they enjoy complete freedom in India. If you were indicating the BBC issue, then what BBC said was totally against the judicial system of India. Indian subordinate court, High court & supreme court has given cleanchit to PM modi in Gujrat riots case, that too in Congress era when Congress tried its best to crush modi. So BBC can't start its own judicial proceedings, it had to face the wrath of Indian people.
6. As far as Opposition in India is concerned, they are completely discarded by the people of India as far as Central election is concerned, yes there are many states which are fortress of regional parties & BJP couldn't defeat them. It's not the job of BJP to revive opposition party who are still carrying their earlier style of politics that is Dynasty politics, caste politics, etc.
7.As far as secularism in India is concerned, no party & I repeat no party can dare to alter it. It's the basic structure of our constitution & more importantly, we the people of India (majority) are by nature secular, it's in our DNA. India is secular not bcz the constitution of India is secular but bcz the people of India are secular except for some minor fringe elements.
At last my humble request to you brother, I consider you a highly educated, rational & respectful guy, so plz don't say like Modi ne ye kar Diya, Modi ne wo kar Diya. He is the prime minister of the largest democracy of the world & moreover he is highly loved PM. So atleast call modi Sahab or PM modi. Humble request 🙏🙏
Thank you
@vikrantSharma u mention very well ,thanku for sharing information Jai Hind🌼👑
7th point - a polytheist religion is always more tolerant than monotheist religion though out the written history. For eg in ancient polytheist Roman Empire, far less Christians were executed compared to Christians killing each other( catholics vs Protestants)
Here we have the similar situation again. For a polytheistic majority, other religions are just another god and thus “secularism is in out DNA”
Vikrant you have presented the viewpoints of the silent majority so well. You deserve appreciation.
Well put Vikrant ji🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Kartarpur happened to woo Sikhs for Khalistan movement. That is why Shah Mahmood Qureshi called it Gugali by Imran khan.
I am a sikh and I agree with you 💯. I told all my friends the reason the Pakistanis were doing it to divide Hindus and Sikhs. Personally I don't care about Kartarpur because Guru Nanak preached that you don't have to go to any pilgrimage to find God or get closer to God. Even though he was born Hindu he disapproved of Ganga Snaan and many rituals in Hinduism. He equally disapproved of Muslim going to Haj Pilgrimage. If Guru Nanak appeard today...he will be shocked to see how Sikhs have totally against his teachings.
I think syed muzamil must stop talking about India if he don't know about India..What do u mean indias election is one sided ..According to u modi get majority that means there is no democracy in India. Modi get majority of vote because of his work..He has put India in Global leader map and we are proud of our PM.
..Actual Problem of all Pakistani are they are not able to digest the success of India.. they now realised .Its not Same India of congess era who use to tolerate Pakistan for all sin .....
2023 Khalistan Movement is Karma. adani crisis is karma
@@karamjsrihal46311984 sikh genocide
Very true. The results are already there to see in the shape of Amritpal Singh.
came here after you were mentioned by Anurag Minus Verma!! Eagerly waiting for that pod. Please bring Kunal Karma as well. you guys will rock!! we need you to collaborate with these two beautiful minds!! Thank you thank you, this ep. was awesome
Love and appreciation from India (Punjab)
I am a sucker for critical conversations, and this one really hit the mark
Thanks for a great convo
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🇮🇳🤝🏼🇵🇰 "The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people."
❤From India
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Big No to Pakistan
Nepolean Bonaparte the legend himself said that and it's so relatable specially in india or hindus case
Sahi bola 👍
@Hiren Ahir True brother, Islamist in India behead Hindus in name of blAs phemy, murder 1000s of Kashmiri Hindus, led to their genoc ide, now in bengal and Kerala also.
Hindus are still silent and can be termed as culprit.
Everyone should stand against Jihadi Islamist ideology
If Pakistanis think that being compared to Erdogan is a positive thing, that truly shows the sorry state of Pakistani intellect, which the nation itself is a reflection of now…
Inka ammi ka halala jo karta hai Erdogan 😂😂😂😂😂
why would you say that ?
@@salikhanan well, he changed the parliamentary system of turkish democracy into more of presidential one.. with concentration of power to him.. arrest of political dissents, watering down of secularism in turkey which first hand allowed turkey to be a modern scientific oriented muslim majority country..precipitation of majority turkish ethnicity ideas where in a vast minority of more than 30% is kurdish and other minorities in caucus mountains... he might lead to further ethnic violence... his initial support to ISIS, turkey being the gateway to islamic state.. his islamic economic ideas which lead to present day economic collapse of turkey and to counter that him moving to more islamic values in govt to harness support of conservative muslims in country(which mirror early pakistani leader's )
Actually turkey is on the way of becoming another paxtan...
Most is ditto copy of Erdogan just change the name of religion Islam to Hinduism in your paragraph and you will be reading Mody
Muzammil se BEHTREEN - INSAN , JOURNALIST, PHILOSOPHER HIGHLY INTELLECTUAL IN HIS EVERY BLOG
l salute Honorable Syed Muzammil ❤
This guy is very intellect. Muzammil stay strong 💪
i hear many pakistani people say like its a bad thing when an indian leader in 1947 didn't want ki pakistan bane...kon chahega apne desh ka partition yaar....obviously indian leaders that time didn't want the partition.
U don't understand there context
Apna desh? There was no india before 1947.
@@huzifavesos there was a British occupied India before independance. British India expanded from Bengal up to the whole of modern India + Pakistan + Bangladesh. There was no difference between western and Eastern Punjab, or western and Eastern Bengal. The British Raj was treated by the British as one full country that is occupied by them. This includes the 500+ princely states. In a normal situation, all of India would have gotten independence as one new country.
@Kuch bhi rakhle Ancient texts? Maybe only in Sanskrit texts? Or hindu texts? Look dude, the biggest empire that could be considered as remotely INDIAN was the Maurayan empire and that too was patchy as even at that time Tibet whose capital Lhasa was an independent empire along with Ancient Farsi Fire worshipers. My point is INDIA was never a single entity but a SUBCONTINENT of several different Princely states and empires which changed from time to time and after the arrival of BRITS the name India was coined from Indus which is Of course in Pakistan now. And at the time of Inception of Pakistan and INDIA those states were given independent choices to choose one of the countries. All those names whether it is Bahrat and other complex names in Sanskrit or any other text are actually CULTURAL hallmarks for different Regimes of different empires.
Even if you still disagree then I am afraid you have that Typical BHAKT ideology till this day.
@@xijinpig8982 Read What I have written for your fellow Indian.
The hatred towards India might be a little less compared to Hindu, but nobody can deny that Hindu hate is the core of the existence of Pakistan as a nation because Pakistan was build only and only on Islamic terms. We can see in the history during the national movement, khilafat movement was not for freedom of India from Britishers, but a revolt for the khalifa which was far away from the Indian subcontinent. Had people in Pakistan taught about Indian valley civilisation and their actual identity which dates 5000 years back then things might have been different. The problem comes when there is a sheer ignorance of ancient identity which is found in the subcontinent and dates back to 1000's of years, but instead people search and relate their identity with a religion which was recently born in the middle eastern desert and look for their validation who anyway think that the converted muslims of these south asian countries are nothing but a third grade citizens of pan Islam.
@@DingDong-lh4ixab to pakistan ka lun b khara hona band ho chuka ha😂😂😂 rassi jal gae par bal nhi gya
True. Pakistan does have an identity crisis and is either running to Arabs or Turks for validation. The fact is Muslims and some Hindus (RSS) etc take their religion too seriously. Either side the hate is I believe not for the country but for the religion. Regardless, being a pakistani I'd never want my country to merge again. I love my liberties and way of life and freedom as much as an Indian enjoys his or her own.
what islamic?check your phonebooks & look at the high rise women that you know their character or your friends
@@Screen-Explainedq teri maa ne bataya kya
Bjp k tatte
Every now and then I forget I have watched this episode already. It's only half way through that I realize it. One of the best episodes deserves every single view.
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I couldn't believe my ears when he asked that question at 2:13:26, because if anyone in india says on a public platform that india is secular because we have Hindu majority and it wouldn't be possible in an islamic one, he/she would be harshly criticized. Because we believe that secularism is not an option but a necessity. So very brave of you to ask, and I would go one step further that Pakistan wouldn't have been created in the first place if its creators were believers of secularism.
Dude just realised the scale of Indian consumer market and is extracting it to the fullest. Nothing bad in this.
Exactly😂😂😂
Bro why show negative i listen his podcast even don't talk about india
Because his content is good
Exactly 😂😂😂.
Agree. But like uzair has discovered, 🇮🇳 content gets maximum views 😀😀
Yeah, just now, just when you start watching it. Lol.
This guy has been doing podcast for 4 years, it is not about India. It is the Pakistan experience. He just happens to be a non toxic desi
It's hard time to speak truth in Pakistan.
Appreciation and Love for both of you ❤️
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Very well capsulated. Pakistan as a society doesn't seem to like people with good IQ. I see and feel so much frustration brewing inside the heart and mind of people with intelligence in Pakistan.
Speaking the truth while denying your own ancestry is always tough. Pretending to be arab or turk or persian isnt going to earn you any brownie points, nor is naming your missiles after afghans going to.
Syed muzammil has not got a chance to interview the imran khan, so he jealous. State is for the people, agr state people ke against hai to people has every right to decide the power. Loosers are jealous of imran khan.
@@AsifAli-zp5wu bhai teri aqal ko salam hai
Syed Muzzamil… hope Pakistan realizes your perspective and potential. We need more people like you… on both sides of the border
Two of my most fav podcasters - having a wonderful, intellectual, soft-spoken, detailed, enlightening conversation. 💚💙💜
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The German minister got out of the plane before the protocol time. It wasn't Indian ignorance, ego or mistake. They later accepted they got out of the plane without informing and earlier than the protocol planned time. We indians would never undermine foreign relationship even when we are the richest. We ain't dumb
Both folks forget that if Modi is so anti Muslim, KSA wouldn't have given him their highest civilian award!
Cmon rss have 10000 muslim members
KSA is not the standard
@@syedmuhammadfaheem8662 Pakistan is the standard?
@@holyindian Yes it is the sole Muslim nuclear power.
Syed Muhammad Faheem
Abe tumari suyi atamik bumse hat hi nahi rahi hai
Downloaded and will watch it later
Muzamil is a cool guy...I liked his point of view.... interesting people in Pakistan realize the reality and know the truth....
Answer to the Mushkil Question: Yes, it is. India is secular because it is a Hindu majority. Indian secularism and secular civil discourse do not come from the constitution. Instead, inspiration for a secular constitution is very much drawn from thousands of years of assimilation of diverse and pluralistic thought processes. India was secular even before the word 'Secular' was forcefully introduced in the constitution by Indira Gandhi in late 70's. India was secular even before the first idea of Pakistan was thought out.
That's why we are bleeding and beheading by secular Islamic friends.
Word secular inserted by Indira Gandhi in emergency period.
India is still secular because Constitution apna tagda h, agar badalney ko rehta toh ho jata ab tak,lekin hua nai, thats coz it is literally impossible to change them, toh please bro, don't be in the delusion ,we r secular coz apne India ka basis hi secularism tha which became soul of our constitution.BJP ne karn hota toh kab ka kar dena th, imagine they aren't doing that, now imagine.Hindu majority is appreciable.Jai hind, allahuAkbar, god bless you
Muzammil Bhai is love. Can listen to this guy for hours straight, this guy always educates the youth of this nation. Thankyou shehzad Bhai for calling him.
Kyun Bhai wo gaana gaata h ki ghanto tk sunte hi rahoge.
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Why Bhikhari are exported from Pakistan..319 Paki Bhikhari deported back to Pakistan from Dubai 😀😂😀😎
Great 👌 show. Keep it up.
Thank you Syed Muzzamil for recommending Neil Postman,great insights.Shezhad, You are doing great work through The Pakistan Experience!Although India has progressed much still most of the governance & bureaucratic problems are same as Pakistan.I am a teacher from India & it is great to get enlightened by hearing your thoughts.
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I'm from India. I must tell you one thing... Inbetween your conversation, you made some loose talk.... That's the essence of your channel. Though You are discussing very serious thing .but those loose talks will helps us to listen you more . Love you bro... Stay blessed .
Muzammil's summary of Pakistan's disturbing political path in the early decade brought me to tears because that probably made me realize the mountain of a challenge if we want to change something for the next generations. Decades of wrongdoings can not be fixed quickly, and that too when nobody even wants to mend their ways.
Brother i agree. We pakistanis are not even ready to accept our shortfalls and mistakes then how come we will heal our self inflicted wounds?? 😞
the first thing u do is stop reading kuran and stop others also. kuran is evil. it converts anyone reading it from humans to animals
The problem with Muzammil and his fanboys is that dwelling in the past isn’t gonna magically yield anything. Pakistan needs a do-over, and just talking about the alleged mistakes of our forefathers really isn’t gonna do much in the grand scheme of things. The youth is already as polarized as ever, and half-baked revisionism is only going to create more confusion. This guy is a radical, and for some reason his face keeps showing up on every single media platform. He should perhaps stick to philosophy, even at that, his ideas are dangerously Nietzschean.
@@Matthehousecat accepting the mistakes is the first step you idiot. this is not a magic wand where you mass murder thousands of hindus christians and suddenly say i am a saint from today not an islamic terorist. not going to happen in a day
No one will listen to these intellectuals. Pak is in the fast grip of clerics and politicians are looting gullible foolish public taking advantage of the state, and pushing agenda of clerics crooks.
This is the only place where we can see both Pakistani people and Indian people praising the podcast,content without any hate towards each other...This is my fav youtube channel from pakistan 🙂
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Are you blind or deaf..the host seems to have a extremely anti Modi view without any basis. And if he thinks that one book wonder Naxalite Arundhati is an intellectual then he needs to educate himself
you are certified kafir. You must know what is done with a kafir.
@@ThePakistanExperience SAHEB,
BLACK DAY ON 28TH OF MARCH !!!
PAKISTAN FORCEFULLY OCCUPED BALOCHISTAN ON 27TH MARCH 1948. 28TH OF MARCH IS THE BALCK DAY FOR BALOCH NATION.
PLEASE WEAR A BLACK BAND ON 28TH OF MARCH.
@@ThePakistanExperience As an Indian i think pakistan is going through recreational and cleansing stage where facts will resurface and need to be accepted.
Pakistan in long term will break and join their parent country (India) and then india will become supreme power from Regional power.
Big fan of Syed!!!!
But also fan of interviewer because though he is stand up comedian, he is very intelligent and well aware of politics and life. Very few comedian is as good as him.
You guys are, indeed, doing a marvelous job. Keep up the good work.
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India uses paramilitary forces or central police force first, in case police aren't able to handle law and order situation.
Operation blue star was done by the military as a last resort, after that cleaning up of Khalistani mess was done by Punjab police under the leadership of Gill.
RAW, Intelligence Bureau are headed by Police officers.
Army is used as last line of defense. eg, Rashtriya rifles in case of fighting militancy in Jammu and Kashmir.
Interesting
Confirmed +1
Even Airforce declined to provide any air support for actions against naxalite including helicopter services.
@@ThePakistanExperience kabhi toda boath study kiya ho tho pata hoga ne
@@vishvajitkumar9497 bhai do news dhek Kr expert bn jate h ye india pr.
Syed Muzamil is real gem of Pakistan. Thanks for inviting him.
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@@ThePakistanExperience *NO TO PEACE WITH HI DU MUZHAB K DUSHMAN AUR HINDUO K QAATIL HINDUSTANI PAKISTANI SO CALLED MUSALMANO*
absolutely a gem. One of the sane brain of Pakistan.
@@ThePakistanExperience even india has used military in extreme cases , the operation blue star was also done by military with the help of police
Burger bahan chhh😮😮😮😮😮d
this is a gem of a long dialogue in the era of reels and tiktoks.
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As an Indians , we can live with all religions but not radicalism.
Two of my favourite gentlemen from across the border.❤. May you both achieve all the success you deserve 🤗. Starting to listen to the podcast now……
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@@ThePakistanExperience where is your hindu male actors and cricketers?
@@drawingkids6067 They've finished them all. Then they make podcasts to make YT money from Indian' views since we're gullible and easy to fool.
@@ThePakistanExperience PM Narendra Modi and Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif met in the Russian city of Ufa on 10th July 2015. A historic joint declaration was released after the meeting which made “terror" the core issue of the India-Pakistan dialogue process. The joint statement didn’t mention Kashmir. It was a first in India-Pakistan diplomatic history, but Nawaz Sharif was heavily criticised for it back home.
The result? Just 16 days after it, India saw the Gurdaspur terror attack on 27th July 2015. Three terrorists, believed to be from Pakistan, killed seven people including the superintendent of police. Terrorists targeted a bus and a police station. Gurdaspur is a border town and shares a boundary with Pakistan.
25th December 2015 came again as a surprise with PM Modi’s Lahore stopover while on his way back from Afghanistan’s capital city Kabul. India still believed that its civilian government, headed by Nawaz Sharif, could be given a chance despite the Pak army’s terror tentacles and its terror extensions in India and despite the venomous anti-India rhetoric of its radical establishments.
The sudden visit to wish Sharif on his 66th birthday and to attend his granddaughter’s wedding was a big diplomatic signal, but Pakistan failed to respect it. Just seven days later, on 2nd January 2016, India saw the Pathankot terror attack. The Pathankot air force station was attacked by five JeM terrorists from Pakistan. Like Gurdaspur, Pathankot also shares a border with Pakistan. The terror attack by Pakistan-based JeM terrorists killed seven personnel.
KARTARPUR CORRIDOR - BETRAYAL EVEN ON FAITH
Kartarpur in Pakistan is where Guru Nanak spent the last 18 years of his life. It is symbolised by the Gurdwara Sri Kartarpur Sahib, the final resting place of the founder of Sikhism. The place is religiously and spiritually connected to the Dera Baba Nanak shrine, located in the district of Gurdaspur, in India’s Punjab state.
The Kartarpur Corridor links these two places and offers visa-free travel to devotees. India sent two of its union ministers, Harsimrat Kaur Badal and Hardeep Singh Puri, for the corridor’s groundbreaking ceremony on 25th November 2018. Just two months on, 44 CRPF personnel were killed in a dastardly suicide attack by a JeM terrorist in the Pulwama district on 14th February 2019.
The opening of the Kartarpur Corridor on 9th November 2019 was welcomed by India and other countries, but Pakistan used this religious and spiritual connection to push separatist sentiments into India. The official video by Pakistan’s Ministry of Information and Broadcasting had posters of three slain Khalistani separatist leaders Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, Major General (dismissed) Shabeg Singh, and Amrik Singh Khalsa.
@KP P This fellow blames Modi for not offering olive branch as if they have done us a favor.
There was so much truth in it. Should be mandatory viewing. ❤ to you both!
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But not about India....
Shehzaad ,You have such a vast knowledge about historical events of Pakistan.Keep on rising like this ❤❤❤
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1:45:00 you right, India has Midday meal scheme, which makes students go to school for food & learn from 1960's. Which has given back to the society manyfold times.
After a long time I came across two people from Pakistan who were analyzing the interpretation of the current situation through rational discussion. Many thanks and best wishes for your channel.
Form 🇧🇩
In the present scenario of world, it is a matter of great courage and honesty to speak the truth. The world needs such people.
You both are my favourite in Pakistan since you are not biased at all, Also as an Indian and whatever knowledge I have - I don’t think Pakistan can ever get over the Pakistani army since they have control over everything
"Pehla Pakistani 712 me aaya tha" was epic :)
Thanks for opening this channel of communication between people on two sides of barbed wire.
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They're saying PEHLA Pakistani to (Mohammed bin Kasim) who came to Pakistan in 712.
How shamelessly they're Acknowledged a Invader .
And who are those people who live there years before 712..
SAALE JAHIL LOG
I am from India. It was a good show. Hatred apart , this show discussed some technical aspects of politics. Cheers 👍👍
Ap nay kis ajeday par ya talks ki hay ,kia maqsad hay ap ka6
syed muzammil shah has the balls to call spade a spade, that too with facts with knowledge of world politics
A sincere appeal to the host . Since there is a lot of prejudice against hindutva, please invite a "hindutva intellectual " and ask him/her your most difficult questions, then form your opinion 👍🙏😊
J Sai Deepak 😂he will burn them. This are new born Liberal 😂 he will eat them with indic facts.
You mean Hindutva, the political ideology or Hinduism, the religion?
@@eshadey8214 Don't look everything from the political binary. Hindutva is not a Political Ideology its is continuing from the times of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaja and it will continue further until we HINDUS Reclaim our Belongings. Only strong resistance makes Hindu survived.
@@sonukumarchoubey4510 Hindutva is a politico religious identity and this has been described by J Sai Deepak himself.
@@sonukumarchoubey4510 Dude reclaim our belongings? Nobody is stopping anyone from researching about their roots. Isme reclaim kya karna h? Jisko interest h karlo research. India gives you full freedom to practice and propogate your religion toh one can easily research and preach their religion.
54:49 India very rarely used the army to quell internal dissent . Most of the anti naxal operations were carried out by central or state police forces which were under civilian Home affairs ministry , not the army. The only 2 situations I can think of the army being involved in internal disturbances is Kashmir and the north east conflicts (Nagas,bodos etc.) . I think this happened mostly due to the fact that these 2 regions are near international borders,close to the already existing area of army influence and operation . The Indian national congress under Nehru and later leaders were paranoid about coups and the power of army , and hence always kept them under tight financial and operational control and at a distance from the general populace . One thing to note though , the military does get involved in relief and rescue operations during times of distress or natural disasters.
The insurgency in Punjab was also handled by the military btw
@@yugmathakkar4023 only the time when it goes out of control
@@rohand04 There's many more "alleged" instances where the Indian army has used violence on Indian nationals, as well as innocent foreign civilians. Talk to any Sri Lankan Tamil about the Indian Peace Keeping force during the Sri Lankan Civil War and you'll hear some horrific shit coming from them. We're still leagues better than any other nation's army, but unfortunately we're not as clean as we're taught we are.
@@rohand04 yes that’s another fair point you make , even when used in internal conflicts , the army has seldom been successful nor come out of it with its reputation unscathed .
The one thing that Muzammil got wrong is that the Golden Temple operation was carried out by the army
Nice to have discovered Muzamil, says it like it is.
I've completed watching this podcast in 3 days and in the meantime, Muzammil has reached 100k on UA-cam. I'm so happy. I feel that I'm heard in Pakistan as you guys grow. Stay blessed!
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I wanted to hear about various things from Muzammil Shah bhai but some how he was confined to the topic of current political affairs. May be another seating where he gets to talk more and gets to share ideas on various topics would be great.
Thanks 😊
Awesome podcast. Nice knowing Pakistan has a next generation that is not only intellectual but also truthful. These podcasts will definitely change the mindset of PPL in Pakistan if not today but surely tomorrow. 👍
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@@ThePakistanExperience lol intellectual.
No matter how 'educated' or otherwise, just scratch one of them, the underlying unkempt dir-tea g-haddi invariably comes out.
Poor fellow just trying to make YT money. They need it.
They have more viewers on our side of border. Bhaii don't get carried away by their words 🙂 , pak was formed because of hatred for HINDUS.
@@AYUSHKUMAR-yw7hjthat's what I was about to say you can see more than 50% comments are from foreigners especially from india and the rest which are from pakistan you can see a large % of them still stood on their useless beliefs
Shehzad mentioned one point where he say Pak didn't retaliate after Indian missile landed in Pak. Sir, Pak has been sending terrorists to Kashmir since 1990's. A lot of Indians have lost lives from Pak sponsored terrorism plus 2001 parliament attack plus 2008 Mumbai attacks. I am not even covering many other attacks. Our govt didn't retaliate even when they had the will of the people on their side. We have exercised extreme patience with Pak. We are all for peace and we have nothing against common people of Pak but as Muzamil mentioned, there are vested interests in Pak whose money minting shop would close if there was peace.
quran 9: 123
As an Indian Hindu I love this verse. that the truth of every so called liberal-secular- muslim
Context my friend, you need to look at context, its the same as quoting indian prime minister's address to the public in wartime and saying that india does not want peace with Pakistan at all when its actually only relevant to that situation...also read Quran 8:61
Here For both of them , Both are good guy
hey shehzad i am watching ur podcast from past 2 months ., my favourite pakistanis to listen are muzamil sir , dr ahmed sir , these two are gems of pakistan who talks on facts and my lastest favorite uzair , , i hope u guys one day visit this side of border ,
i dont know why pakistani thinks modi will destroy INDIA /? which is not even 1 percent true , he is an experienced administrator who worked for gujarat for 15 years showesd its worth and now people of india feels so much proud that modi is leading the country and its true that minor incidents of some radical people try to impose themselves on minority ,but thats a law and order issue , and most of people feels in INDIA that it is modi who will take INDIA forward , and his biggest contribution to our country is , today u will india is more united proactive and full of energy and everybody feels that energy that their country is changing , u wont find that kind of disappointment in people mindset hope u visit my city chandigarh one day u will love it
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I am a very blind supporter of IK but hearing your realistic talks I am changing my way. you guys are damn good to hear
Us bro us. Now I am feeling that IK lied with Pakistanis.
Welcome to the light you two 😅
Don't be blind supporter of anyone in your life ...
@@ThePakistanExperience Shehzad bhai I was not a PTI Supporter at all but now I am actually realizing the real story of installment of IK in our politics.
Imran is pied piper and youth is following him blindly … good few have started to see reason after listening to the voices of reason
Eye opener podcast. Brilliant
The two most level-headed and astute young individuals in Pakistan today - kudos to both of you! Your remarkable maturity and wisdom never cease to inspire. Keep up the exceptional work!
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We love Syed Muzzamil in India, the phenomenal personality!!
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Don't be fooled Avi.. Find out whether this Muzzie loves us......Do chaar meethi meethi baath bol diya aur tum deewane ho gaye..
Don't say on behalf of every Indian. Many of us don't love any Pakistani including me.
Definitely fact guy from Pakistan, very rare to see professional people like musamil. 🙏🙏🙏
Muzammil Shah.... lots of love from india.
As Thomas Stephen Szasz - The Hungarian-American academic and psychiatrist used to say -“Clear thinking requires courage rather than intelligence”
Salute you guys for your courage and determination to peel the onion to find out the different layers in your quest for the truth which has always been subverted in Pakistan by a few to further their personal interests - Truth prevails only if a generation has to sacrifice for the next generation
Well narrated.
I think syed muzamil must stop talking about India if he don't know about India..What do u mean indias election is one sided ..According to u modi get majority that means there is no democracy in India. Modi get majority of vote because of his work..He has put India in Global leader map and we are proud of our PM.
..Actual Problem of all Pakistani are they are not able to digest the success of India.. they now realised .Its not Same India of congess era who use to tolerate Pakistan for all sin .....
It's always good to see Muzammil on the podcast! Really meaningful conversation and it was good to see that all the political parties were called out for what they did wrong. Great work Shehzad!
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Syed Muzammil is a gem ❤
Absolutely loved this podcast!!
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After a hectic day.. with dim light in my room.. with snacks and drink in front of me.. listening to this podcast.. is amazing. Congratulations to him for his new job.
Bhai konsi brand peete ho 🍺???
old monk and Imran khan ke kisse
haye !!!!!
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@Kshitij
@@mailmekaushik33 abhi mumbai me hu.. to Bombay sapphire chal rha hai 😀
I think Indians should realize that drinking is not a cool thing, it really harms health and society. That's why states like Gujarat, Bihar, Mizoram ban alcohol. In the name of liberalism drinking culture is encouraged. I am Indian, but I feel this is something I really respect in Pakistanis - they don't glorify drinking.
Navroz Mubarak to everyone,may this year bring peace and prosperity in our beautiful world.
Which yr is it?
Navroz Mubarak
@@anshchaturvedi7221 it’s celebrated on 21st March,every year. It is celebrated in iran,central Asia,Afghanistan,India and Pakistan.This festival celebrated in Iran for centuries and through trade,religion and migration it is celebrated now all over the world.
@@saimahirani3836 it is the Iranian new year. as usual pakees have nothing original. everything is borrowed from Iran, Arabia, Mongols (Turks). They wont follow anything Indian, coz they dont want to accept the truth that they are india, their forefathers were hindus who were forcefuly converted by islamic invasions.
@@saimahirani3836Hi Saimah Hirani Ya Ali Madad Kem Cho ?
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Can someone give reference of any book or article which shows Pakistan army's participation in Korean War.
I am amazed by the cool stream of dialogue between 2. Not once I could feel any one up manship over other. Both have fair grip on the history of pak affairs of past and current. Both have common views non conflicting. Very rare conversation or is it editing ? In all fairness nice dialogue and good experience to know the pak point of view on issues.
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In the age of Youthism, Listening to such sane voices is a breath of fresh air ❤
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Age of youthism...😂😂😂😂 exactly
Absolutely breath of fresh air .
@@Ahmad-oh6ic and you are a bloody Nobody
Muzamil is a gem for Pak. BTW Muzamil, German FM came out from plane before scheduled time, but everyone was there to receive her including German Ambassador, it was during G20 FM ministers meet, we do not insult anyone.
Thanks for the correction
@@ThePakistanExperience Do a proper research. Watch World Affair by Prashant Dhawan and Ankit inspire India.
Koi indian ko invite Karo Bhai, aapke long duration interview dekhne me maza aata hai
Bhai yeh movie jitni duration hai and million plus views thats awesome. Yr muzamil is just awesome
That excitement when your 2 favourite people talking on a podcast.its top notch thank you for it.
Production is superb your team deserves appreciation too🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
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Indian ?
@@inayatgill1522 any problem with that?
@@SimranDhillon186 nopes even i m indian , thing I have see many pakistani also have same surname which I feel they were converted from sokh to Muslims
@@inayatgill1522 dhillon is a tribe like gill.jatt tribes got hindu,sikhs and Muslims.
I was desperately waiting for this one, yayyy
Its up!