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    0:00 Intro
    1:28 They see me rollin'
    4:04 Surely this will work
    6:12 Pushing my buttons
    7:20 That was fast
    9:07 Right Turn Only
    10:53 What are we doing wrong?
    12:50 From downtown!
    15:07 Outro
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  • @whalen4400
    @whalen4400 9 місяців тому +8826

    “We bought a Soviet era gaming mouse” should have been the title

    • @JQ3B94
      @JQ3B94 9 місяців тому +544

      ⚒️

    • @SpecShadow
      @SpecShadow 9 місяців тому +233

      this
      comissar is on his way
      do not resist

    • @aidenburnside6380
      @aidenburnside6380 9 місяців тому +481

      We have been allocated a Soviet era mouse

    • @viv3d
      @viv3d 9 місяців тому +67

    • @domenicdaluz
      @domenicdaluz 9 місяців тому +55

      You did it

  • @30LayersOfKevlar
    @30LayersOfKevlar 9 місяців тому +11912

    Imagine if modern electronics came with schematics.

    • @BladeScraper
      @BladeScraper 9 місяців тому +710

      We can only dream :(

    • @davidphillips5677
      @davidphillips5677 9 місяців тому +1200

      the schematic will be the size of a very very detailed world map

    • @0alsh
      @0alsh 9 місяців тому +1222

      Yes, it was very usual thing for soviet electronics. As a child, I had a computer "Дельта-С" (Delta-S) - ZX Spectrum clone. The instruction contained even modification schemes for connecting to incompatible TVs.

    • @GraveFable25
      @GraveFable25 9 місяців тому +198

      @@davidphillips5677 Depends on the level of abstraction.

    • @jamiethomas4079
      @jamiethomas4079 9 місяців тому +165

      Most large appliances come with a service manual hidden inside somewhere. My top load washer was simply taped to the inside wall underneath, my microwave one was hidden behind the keypad, my parents front load dryer was behind the front panel.

  • @ZarviroffSerge
    @ZarviroffSerge 7 місяців тому +980

    In Soviet Union including full schematics in the manual was the thing. They always did that and even for very complex stuff, like TVs or vinyl/cassette/radio sets (those were huge, and their schematics too).

    • @dotvill
      @dotvill 7 місяців тому +9

      yes that was interesting thing about USSR - people was technically more advanced than today, there was science magazines with some electronic schemes, so people can buy spare parts (plates, semiconductors etc) and make things on their own. Back to 1980th there was a cult of technology and engineering. It's actually real reason why among Russian engineers so many Soviet patriots - bald fat drunk guys in USSR t-shirts was a guys who grow up on magazines like Young Technician'84

    • @ackerkartoffel8627
      @ackerkartoffel8627 7 місяців тому +2

      Last thing was a blower

    • @ElrenSmit
      @ElrenSmit 7 місяців тому +38

      Именно так!! :)

    • @iaadsi
      @iaadsi 7 місяців тому +77

      I think that was the norm all over the world, even American TVs came with schematics until maybe early 1980s. Even into maybe mid 2000s you could e-mail Panasonic and get schematics for their products. Not sure if that's still a thing, though.

    • @user-zq3os6vz1k
      @user-zq3os6vz1k 7 місяців тому +71

      Then corporations were worried about the maintainability of their equipment...

  • @vyrgozunqk
    @vyrgozunqk 8 місяців тому +341

    Keep in mind that back when this mouse was created, the most common resolution was 320 or 640, the speed of the mouse relative to the resolution back then is very good.
    Try using 600 or 800 dpi mouse on 1440/4K screens. It feels insanely slow. I have 4K screen and my mouse is set to 6000DPI.

    • @ianmaes9514
      @ianmaes9514 2 місяці тому +1

      I use 400 dpi on 1440p 😬

    • @user-jm3xl7rg5k
      @user-jm3xl7rg5k Місяць тому

      BK-0010 had 256*256 pixel screen )))

  • @fricki1997
    @fricki1997 9 місяців тому +2495

    I love how they're using a Pi Pico, a VASTLY more powerful system than the whole original computer this mouse was designed for, just to translate the serial signal :D

    • @gorkskoal9315
      @gorkskoal9315 9 місяців тому +89

      LOL well having to slow down the clock speed of their hardware to, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one issue as well. Full emulators (hillarously) like need to slow waaaay down so games aren't going at mach20

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 9 місяців тому +13

      I cant help feeling it would have been a LOT easier to explain what a leonardo/pro-micro was doing, the 32u4 is literally made for making HID devices.
      Also it might have been more useful to map it to the arrow keys - its pretty clearly designed for that (as long as you keep moving the cursor key repeats).

    • @Lord_zeel
      @Lord_zeel 9 місяців тому +53

      I love how a $5 board today is legitimately able to outshine state of the art tech mere decades ago.

    • @Lord_zeel
      @Lord_zeel 9 місяців тому +47

      @@mycosys Probably whoever actually did the implementation was most familiar with the Pico platform, and therefore chose the hardware that was going to be easiest for themselves to work with. They could have pulled this off with practically any microcontroller that has USB HID support (and with many that don't already have it). But it would have been a lot more work for whomever was doing it. Since it's not a product, and not even a very useful project to share with others, picking hardware based on "this is what I'm familiar with" is pretty reasonable.

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 9 місяців тому +5

      I suspect its what they had lying around @Lord_zeel - the 32u4 was hard to get for a bit there, part of why the RP2040 even exists.
      I just think its a pity, the ATMega is used in education because its so easy to explain what its doing vs something like a dual core 32bit ARM.
      It should also really be interrupt based, not polling based as they had it.

  • @VinnyRN07
    @VinnyRN07 9 місяців тому +3037

    While this mouse may have been slow, remember that it was designed for systems with a far lower resolution, notably:
    High-resolution mode: 512x256 pixels, monochrome.
    Low-resolution mode: 256x256 pixels, 4 colors.
    So this would have been more than sufficient for something effectively 4 to 8 times lower in resolution.
    The fact they not only reverse engineered something almost 40 years old but also in an entirely different language, a testament to the LTT Labs Team and I really enjoyed this video.

    • @nikolaikozlovski2654
      @nikolaikozlovski2654 9 місяців тому +173

      Further more, mouse navigation in command line-like interface was based on character grid, which could have been something like 50x30

    • @MXCelis
      @MXCelis 9 місяців тому +43

      another great product that they missjudge j.k.

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 9 місяців тому +24

      Its sending what is effectively a cursor key while you move, as long as you keep moving, it key repeats. Makes a LOT of sense for text mode

    • @andrewporter1868
      @andrewporter1868 9 місяців тому +5

      @@Vin-Drossel Нет, Сталкер ТЧ ))))

    • @Kevin-mx4vm
      @Kevin-mx4vm 9 місяців тому +9

      It's because unlike gamer's nexus or hardware unboxed we at ltt labs run new tests every time

  • @NIMKAOriginal
    @NIMKAOriginal 8 місяців тому +124

    5:13 The electronics circuit was in almost every instruction for any Soviet technology
    So that Soviet children from childhood begin to become interested in electronics and help the Soviet Union with new technologies, or so that there are always workers

    • @shinigamineko333
      @shinigamineko333 6 місяців тому +6

      It was because, you couldn't buy a new one. So you had to fix it by yourself. Also it usually had been aufull quality. But you have a nice catch)

    • @NIMKAOriginal
      @NIMKAOriginal 6 місяців тому +1

      @@shinigamineko333 а, ну кстати да)
      Все было дорогое тогда, а если и были деньги, то надо было найти ещё место где их купить можно

    • @IvoryStan
      @IvoryStan 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@NIMKAOriginalВсе было нормальным тогда по цене,только купить было проблема, спасибо США за санкции. В СССР все было лучше и эффективней чем в США даже своя система написания кода на других принципах но к сожалению это было разрушено. Но ничего мы это восстановим и разрушим США за убийство миллионов людей в России в 90-х.

    • @NIMKAOriginal
      @NIMKAOriginal 6 місяців тому +2

      @@IvoryStan СССР не сильно то и хотел от санкций избавляться
      Да и СССР намного сильней отставал от США лет на 50.
      Людям в СССР было нормально только потому что они не знали что на западе творилось, а ведь те кто с СССР на запад переехал не сразу хотели возвращаться обратно

    • @panterka.f
      @panterka.f 6 місяців тому

      ​​​​@@IvoryStanэто сарказм?😅 Не пугай их, они и так напуганы)
      А большинство даже не понимают(не хотят понимать?) что делала и продолжает делать их страна.

  • @markrhainer
    @markrhainer 7 місяців тому +136

    "KH1" and "КН2" are actually "KN1" and "KN2", cause "KN" is just a short for "knopka" (button in russian).
    It is also not just a "Martian" (that means "female martian" or "male martian" depending on a context), but clearly a "female martian" ("marsianka" as it sounds in russian).

    • @dreaanon1460
      @dreaanon1460 6 місяців тому +9

      yes, its name is "martian girl" actually

    • @prismaticc_abyss
      @prismaticc_abyss 5 місяців тому +7

      but thats also because the Gender of the "mouse" noun in Russian is female

  • @onabikewithadrone
    @onabikewithadrone 9 місяців тому +2633

    WRT schematics. It was actually common in USSR to get very extensive manual with any piece of tech. Including full schematics for TVs, sound amplifiers, vinyl players, etc. You could use it to repair device yourself or at the very least help a repair shop if you had an uncommon device

    • @staberas
      @staberas 9 місяців тому +549

      i agree its bad this trend went away

    • @dXXPacmanXXb
      @dXXPacmanXXb 9 місяців тому +312

      communism can be good

    • @barnett25
      @barnett25 9 місяців тому +283

      That was also common in the US up through about the 1950s. Most old tube electronics (prior to transistors) have a schematic glued to the inside of the chassis. There were also printed periodicals that were meant for the repair trade which would contain advanced schematics and repair guides for any new products that came out since the last issue. Those were done by a third party however. Most electronic repair shops would have a huge bookshelf full of the books as well as special index books that would let you know which issue to look in to find the device you wanted to repair.

    • @ArthurD
      @ArthurD 9 місяців тому +282

      In USSR Right to Repair was Responsibility to Repair. From radios to Lada.

    • @jonyjohns
      @jonyjohns 9 місяців тому +140

      @@dXXPacmanXXb It's actually just a military standard. In the USSR, all production facilities were built for military needs. Even civilian goods were made to military production standards

  • @quantuminfinity4260
    @quantuminfinity4260 9 місяців тому +1915

    This was actually much cooler than just an "Oh look old tech" piece. Those are cool too, but the labs integration and making it work with modern equipment was super interesting, though it would have been nice to maybe get even more of an explanation of some more of their approach to getting it working.

    • @ronrozen2105
      @ronrozen2105 9 місяців тому +13

      Ditto

    • @tonyxforce
      @tonyxforce 9 місяців тому +31

      I think they just hooked up osciloscopes to all of the pins and moved the mouse around

    • @f3rny_66
      @f3rny_66 9 місяців тому +42

      a 15usd translator from fiverrr could have been 110% extra explanation instead of this "foreign forbidden language nobody knows" thing, is russian ffs, not some alien language

    • @ThePrimePrimer
      @ThePrimePrimer 9 місяців тому +25

      @@f3rny_66 Or google lens which literally translates anything you point your phone camera at

    • @amaizen4817
      @amaizen4817 9 місяців тому +26

      @@ThePrimePrimeryes but the accuracy, especially when talking tech might not be up to par but they actually did translate their websites they visited so that counts for something i guess

  • @Tranzisto
    @Tranzisto 7 місяців тому +92

    150 rubles???? This is an absolutely insane price by the standards of the time! I don't know which conversion method did the seller use to arrive at 350 usd, but 150 rubles was an average monthly salary in the late 80s USSR, so it would probably be closer to a couple thousand dollars than just $350.

    • @ksanag3426
      @ksanag3426 6 місяців тому +12

      Salary was 200 rubles. $350 is almost an average monthly salary in Russia (in most regions) nowdays. So everything is right

    • @alikgareev1553
      @alikgareev1553 6 місяців тому +3

      Вообще должен быть ценник на самом изделии

    • @Alexey_Varonov
      @Alexey_Varonov 6 місяців тому +3

      150 рублей - минимальная зарплата в конце 80-х.

    • @Alexey_Varonov
      @Alexey_Varonov 6 місяців тому

      150 рублей - минимальная зарплата в конце 80-х.

    • @Tranzisto
      @Tranzisto 6 місяців тому +2

      Ну да, замечание верное, з/п действительно около 200 была, я больше по памяти родителей ориентировался (у них была ближе к 150). Но один хрен, 150 советских за мышь это ну как минимум раз в пять больше, чем 350 американских сегодня. Другое дело что наверняка купить в розницу было невозможно и ценник был для закупки предприятиями, поэтому ориентироваться надо скорее по ценам черного рынка, а там поди узнай, сколько за нее просили барыги.

  • @OHYEAHDUDES
    @OHYEAHDUDES 8 місяців тому +27

    Great job on reading the schematics! Fun fact - in the same way that letter "B" is the "V" sound, letter "H" is the "N" sound. Which is why "KH1 and KH2" are actually abbreviates for "KHopka (button) 1 and 2"

    • @xXTheoLinuxXx
      @xXTheoLinuxXx 7 місяців тому +6

      KHopka (with the N sound) doesn't that much differ from my lower saxon dutch dialect name for it 'Knopke' :)

    • @OHYEAHDUDES
      @OHYEAHDUDES 7 місяців тому +2

      @@xXTheoLinuxXx Knopke sounds simultaneously cool and cute. I am not surprised it sounds similar, after all in Russian we borrowed and derived this word from Europe, more precisely the German "knopf", and in Dutch it's "knop". I don't know who borrowed from who in that case. In Russian we actually have another original word for button (pugovitsa), but interestingly we use that one for buttons on clothes, whereas knopka/knopke is for mechanical buttons on various tools and devices. I wonder if your dialect has something similar to this, though it's probably more convenient to just have one word.

    • @xXTheoLinuxXx
      @xXTheoLinuxXx 7 місяців тому +2

      @@OHYEAHDUDES quite a few loanwords are from the Peter the Great era who lived for some time in Zaandam. He wanted to know everything about building ships and back in the day the most common 'language' at those places was lower saxon (because there were Germans too). After Peter left he sended shipbuilders and carpenters to the 'werf' (also a loanword) to learn even more things. By the time they got back to Russia they introduced a few words :) Our shirtbuttons are not that different compared with knop, we call them knoop or knoopke in dialect.

    • @57ar7up
      @57ar7up 7 місяців тому +2

      @@xXTheoLinuxXx yea, Russian language took this word from Germanic languages

    • @heavygaming7206
      @heavygaming7206 2 місяці тому

      MbIWb

  • @LazorzPewPew
    @LazorzPewPew 9 місяців тому +2636

    I was a kid in the USSR in the 80s and my family was one of the few lucky enough to have a home PCs. Seeing this mouse again brought back so many memories. Thanks Linus.

    • @i_Daniel
      @i_Daniel 8 місяців тому +155

      опаньки русский)

    • @NostalgicMem0ries
      @NostalgicMem0ries 8 місяців тому +17

      what year did your family got pc?

    • @fail22737
      @fail22737 8 місяців тому +67

      For a sec I thought you said you where lucky to have a house

    • @boobosao
      @boobosao 8 місяців тому +169

      @fail22737 today that is more rare than having the pc lmao

    • @Joe-og6br
      @Joe-og6br 8 місяців тому +5

      How expensive was it? Compared to say buying a new car.

  • @Mr.Morden
    @Mr.Morden 9 місяців тому +1751

    Now let's make Linus get a Soviet PC and use it as his main for a week.

    • @user-cr3pj2nr4e
      @user-cr3pj2nr4e 9 місяців тому +78

      Diesel fuel bill will break them/

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 9 місяців тому +17

      It wasn't even good enough in the 80s

    • @Arbiter099
      @Arbiter099 9 місяців тому +71

      Only games installed are Tetris and Global Thermonuclear War

    • @marisakirisame867
      @marisakirisame867 9 місяців тому +6

      @@Arbiter099 oh thats cool ! classic tetris

    • @EudgenS
      @EudgenS 9 місяців тому +5

      Better to make him use it for the rest of his life. Even that will not be punishment enough for such content.

  • @SpeedFireARL
    @SpeedFireARL 7 місяців тому +467

    молодцы ребята. не просто обзор, а целое воскрешение из небытия

    • @katya6301
      @katya6301 6 місяців тому +2

    • @PlayGameToday
      @PlayGameToday 6 місяців тому

      @@katya6301

    • @EvgeN_NeroN
      @EvgeN_NeroN 6 місяців тому +4

      Прям раритет откопали

    • @SiMBi0ZZA
      @SiMBi0ZZA 6 місяців тому +5

      @@EvgeN_NeroN лучше бы не откапывали такое ужас...

    • @dmitryfrunk3356
      @dmitryfrunk3356 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@SiMBi0ZZAвот-вот, в Китае изготовили, а у нас как обычно шильдик наклеят и радуются. Тьфу. Лучше бы вообще не делали.

  • @ALaughingMan
    @ALaughingMan 8 місяців тому +18

    @5:13 The reason Soviet electronics came with electrical schematics, is so the purchaser could repair the component themselves rather than spend money on a new one or pay the purchase price or more for repair.
    Most Soviet educated citizens by this era were well educated, and we can still find soviet educated doctors, professiors and the like working world wide on their Soviet education credentials.
    One of my surgeons and mt regular GP are both soviet educated, one for Kazakhstan, the other from Georgia. They are fantastic and punch well above their weight.

    • @_____.__
      @_____.__ 7 місяців тому +5

      I disagree, it was a requirement to include schematics into the package, who was going to repair it is another question. You exaggerate and idealize, make it sound as if every housewife in the county new how to use a soldering iron. The educated Soviet citizens had to also waste their education time on studying history of the communist party, work of Max, Engels, Lenin and other trash they would never use in life nor the occupation.

    • @ALaughingMan
      @ALaughingMan 7 місяців тому +7

      @_____.__ Heya @_____.__ , thanks for chiming in and your willingness to share your thoughts.
      Your comment came across as disingenuous and biased, but I do not believe that was your intention?
      I feel like my words might have been misunderstood, and so I wanted to clarify a few things. Firstly, I did not mean to come across as being for or against the Soviet Union or subscribing to any political dogma. However since the USSR no longer exists, its relevance to modern politics, economics, and society should be evaluated through historical lens.
      I am a huge admirer of Soviet history, and I have friends who are from that region. I don't subscribe to Cold War propaganda that demonized the USSR and created false narratives about the country. For example, one of the biggest lies that were perpetuated was that there was a missile gap between the USSR and the US, which implied that the Soviet Union was more advanced in missile capability. This was later revealed to be a falsehood.
      Moreover, it has been documented through the Freedom of Information Act that the CIA indeed spread many false narratives about the country to influence public opinion. It's interesting how the opening of the USSR's vaults has confirmed many clarifying truths that the Soviets had claimed all along. It's unfortunate that the lies have persisted and are widely regarded as pseudo-truths, which says a lot about how lies can influence people's perception of reality.
      In modern times it's quite alarming how fake news and misinformation have become so prevalent in our society, that it's often challenging to discern fact from fiction.
      Thanks again for taking the time to leave a comment, if you would like to discuss further I would be happy to continue the conversation:)
      (Edited spelling and grammatical errors, however I may still have missed some)

    • @ALaughingMan
      @ALaughingMan 6 місяців тому

      @_____.__ Might you have a reply friend?

    • @TheCrashyBoi
      @TheCrashyBoi 2 місяці тому

      ​@@_____.__In your country they didn't teach you history? Its a standard man

  • @onabikewithadrone
    @onabikewithadrone 9 місяців тому +196

    КН1 is spelled as "K-N-1" :) H stands for N sound in Cyrillic languages. Here it is an abbreviation for "кнопка 1" ([kn'opka od'in]) which is just "button one"

    • @user-cr3pj2nr4e
      @user-cr3pj2nr4e 9 місяців тому +16

      Same root as "knob" btw

    • @nighteule
      @nighteule 9 місяців тому +21

      @@user-cr3pj2nr4e Interesting, because "button" is also "knopf" in german. Seems like english is the weird one

    • @Svedjano
      @Svedjano 9 місяців тому +9

      And button is "knapp" in swedish

    • @neomorphosallomorphis7395
      @neomorphosallomorphis7395 9 місяців тому +5

      @@nighteule in french it's "bouton" so i guess it's the latin influence acting here, whereas other anglo-germanic / slavic languages kept the other root

    • @helgenlane
      @helgenlane 9 місяців тому +4

      @@neomorphosallomorphis7395 English is actually a slightly deformed child of German and French. There's a lot of influence from both families. For example, mouse is "maus" in German and "souris" in French.

  • @Mark-vr7pt
    @Mark-vr7pt 9 місяців тому +399

    It could be interesting to know that while technically it could be translated as "the Martian", the "marsianka" in Russian actually means "the martian woman"

    • @ikbintom
      @ikbintom 9 місяців тому +11

      Or is mouse feminine?

    • @snake_on_a_train
      @snake_on_a_train 9 місяців тому +97

      Mouse is feminine in Russian.
      And Марсианка is indeed "The Martian woman" or "The woman from mars"

    • @SectorfiveYT
      @SectorfiveYT 9 місяців тому +9

      Yeah but since mouse isn't feminine in English, it's perfectly fine to translate it as "The Martian"@@snake_on_a_train

    • @Mark-vr7pt
      @Mark-vr7pt 9 місяців тому +1

      @@ikbintom both are.

    • @Mark-vr7pt
      @Mark-vr7pt 9 місяців тому +30

      @Kamey03 well, as my understanding goes "the martian" in English is gender neutral, right? In Russian there are almost no gender neutral nouns, so there is either marsianin for male, or marsianka for female.
      Also while the mouse is indeed feminine, "coordinate input device" is masculine.
      Either way, "the martian woman" sounds kinda stupid as a product name, so I wouldn't translate it that way:). I just mentioned a potentially interesting fact.

  • @WhatAboutRC
    @WhatAboutRC 7 місяців тому +30

    That mouse, the box... everything about it is just freggin awesome. Hope you guys preserve it.

  • @sunrisetenshi1054
    @sunrisetenshi1054 7 місяців тому +124

    Господи, где он такой раритет откопал) Впервые вижу подобное творение сумрачного гения советской инженерии.

    • @skynet5175
      @skynet5175 6 місяців тому +4

      Он чекнутый )))

    • @user-lr5se3pr2q
      @user-lr5se3pr2q 6 місяців тому +2

      Оусом) 😂

    • @alexandr_van
      @alexandr_van 6 місяців тому +4

      скорее всего этот динозавр делался на экспорт в соцлагерь и скорее всего это копия какого нибудь hp или apple

    • @Bnder42
      @Bnder42 6 місяців тому

      на eBay

    • @user-xg2hp5xt2e
      @user-xg2hp5xt2e 6 місяців тому +4

      @@Bnder42 наебай точнее за 350 бакинских это верх наебай!

  • @rub1316
    @rub1316 9 місяців тому +299

    I don't know if this video was recorded before the hiatus, but honestly it felt much more satisfying to watch because of one thing: it is a very comprehensive, detailed investigation about how this mouse works and how to adapt the signals to modern USB. Most other videos were you find hard problems to solve such as this one usually felt unfinished because they gave up. And I felt that on a couple of videos. I am glad that you guys took the time to make the mouse actually working, I watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up when a problem arose regarding, in this case, translating the signals that this mouse outputs to USB.
    Summing up, good work!

    • @sategllib2191
      @sategllib2191 9 місяців тому +16

      It was filmed before. I just heard him say that on the wan show

    • @ZabranjenoPusenje6
      @ZabranjenoPusenje6 9 місяців тому

      whats the point of this comment after you figured that it makes no sense anymore?

    • @ZabranjenoPusenje6
      @ZabranjenoPusenje6 9 місяців тому +3

      u must feel great judging like this, "i watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up..." mann idk if it's just me but this shiet sounds funny

    • @nelakendra2296
      @nelakendra2296 9 місяців тому +11

      They'd always said that they weren't satisfied with the way things were before the hiatus either and that they were working to improve things. This was I think always Linus's vision for LMG - being more comprehensive without being boring but he was just tied up with all the business stuff (hence the CEO).

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 9 місяців тому +1

      @@sategllib2191 I bet there's at least a month of "extras" to burn before we see the new ones...

  • @FireSwordl
    @FireSwordl 8 місяців тому +512

    The Soviet encouraged the "right to repair" so many years ago..

    • @Kirillissimus
      @Kirillissimus 8 місяців тому +64

      You did not just have the right to repair it. You needed to repair it every once in a while because bue to scarcity you never knew if you will manage to buy another one.

    • @alexderpyracc4053
      @alexderpyracc4053 7 місяців тому +101

      Aha that's why USA doesn't like you fixing your bought devices because that would be Soviet 🤔🤣🤣🤣

    • @incubus_the_man
      @incubus_the_man 7 місяців тому +99

      All intellectual property was owned by the people. I'm guessing that they published the schematics for that reason.

    • @jinn-tonik
      @jinn-tonik 7 місяців тому +10

      This is not a right, it’s an obligation! 😂

    • @iplaygames8090
      @iplaygames8090 7 місяців тому +9

      i mean yeah, every device you repair is a device that doesnt need to be produced again.

  • @AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet
    @AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet 7 місяців тому +24

    Oh my god, thank you for the trip down the Soviet memory lane, Linus! БК-0010 were the computers that we had in our school!

  • @tylerdean980
    @tylerdean980 9 місяців тому +1611

    Are you kidding me? A PDP-11 compatible home computer? Can it run BSD or UNIX? That's badass. Can't believe I never heard of it.

    • @lettuce7378
      @lettuce7378 9 місяців тому +98

      would be cool seeing a soviet home computer running bsd lol

    • @pelmen8078
      @pelmen8078 9 місяців тому

      @@lettuce7378 as far as I know, the Interactive Unified Mobile Operating System(DEMOS) was based on BSD, so actually some Soviet home PC's could run BSD. There was also an INMOS that was UNIX-based.
      Also, according to a wikipedia, the PDP-11 was able to run DEMOS and INMOS.

    • @kiwihuman
      @kiwihuman 9 місяців тому

      ​@@lettuce7378OUR source code.

    • @Deadly_Laser
      @Deadly_Laser 9 місяців тому +126

      @@lettuce7378 there was a Soviet BSD-based OS, ДЕМОС/DEMOS

    • @nemoe
      @nemoe 9 місяців тому +107

      No, it can't. It's not 100% PDP-compatible, instruction set a little bit different, and it was roughly copied by USSR for some strange bureaucratic reasons.
      It had an impressive list of software tho (C, Forth, Basic, FOCAL and even about 800 games), but not a single real OS. Some models even had some LAN functionality, we used them in our class where I received my first programming lessons in the late 80's. Wikipedia article “Electronika BK” about this device is quite good, can recommend it.

  • @camjkerman
    @camjkerman 9 місяців тому +292

    Dank Pods did a video on old Soviet headphones a while back and most if not all of them came with some kind of schematic in the box. Makes me think that this sort of thing was the norm for Soviet electrical goods, which is very cool if that was the case.

    • @banonotit800
      @banonotit800 9 місяців тому +99

      It was because many people back then we're able to read these schematics and had experience in soldering. Also it's just a requirement for documentation equipment. We had also schematics sticked to the backside of the thing.

    • @olegpereverzev5015
      @olegpereverzev5015 9 місяців тому +33

      Yes, there was several reasons for that: bad quality, high price (so you will not just go and buy another one) and things were expected to be fixed and last as long as they could as soviet economics could not produce enough

    • @Bob-wl4bb
      @Bob-wl4bb 8 місяців тому +60

      ​@@olegpereverzev5015nope it was common everywhere and in USA too

    • @volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740
      @volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740 8 місяців тому +14

      Yes, a schematics diagram was a common thing.

    • @klnsbl
      @klnsbl 8 місяців тому +63

      @@olegpereverzev5015 they were made to last forever because socialism doesn't require planned obsolescence

  • @sethkush5786
    @sethkush5786 8 місяців тому +3

    Now this is the content I love LTT for, would love to see more stuff from behind the iron curtain

  • @End0fst0ry
    @End0fst0ry 7 місяців тому +15

    Thx, Linus. As the owner of a Soviet computer in childhood, I can't stop smiling while watching this video.

  • @alistairblaire6001
    @alistairblaire6001 9 місяців тому +229

    This is pretty unique content. Not many channels have a team of engineers with the skills to make this work in a couple days.

    • @mccm2402
      @mccm2402 9 місяців тому +23

      Well, mostly it just takes a single retro computing or EE youtuber like @TechTangents or @bitluni and the likes.
      Not saying this wasn't good work at LTT, I'm just subscribed to more channels where this is the norm.

    • @malaista
      @malaista 9 місяців тому +1

      I mean, it's really not that complicated, they had all of the schematics, they even found all of the datasheet that they needed, while also having osciloscopes and the like.
      And like the other guy said, there are other retro youtubers

    • @nationalmaverick
      @nationalmaverick 9 місяців тому +4

      @@malaista his point was the turn around time.
      Neither of the channels mentioned, I also watch, do things in 30 minutes to a couple of hours.
      Neither of them do any soviet era translation videos with soviet IC schematic sources, that I've seen anyway.

  • @ElainesStory
    @ElainesStory 9 місяців тому +315

    You need to make a case for the pico with usb connector, a glass window, and a plug for the mouse. Then you can just show it off at LTX or a LAN party. Make it like who can get the best high score using a Soviet mouse. In soviet russia mouse plays you!

    • @ianvisser7899
      @ianvisser7899 9 місяців тому +20

      Speedrun no-russian in MW2, could be fun

  • @o.k.2968
    @o.k.2968 6 місяців тому +6

    I really miss Soviet Union. In 1980s USSR was the kind factor of global progress.

    • @syncsyncer1135
      @syncsyncer1135 6 місяців тому +3

      Bro, if these Plyukans could understand how it is disgusting to live on their chatlans planet. By the way, I am trying to fix my Pepelats to fly back to Hanud, I hope you are real patsak and you know where to get working gravitsapa?

  • @SkapKovdor
    @SkapKovdor 6 місяців тому +8

    Я русский мне 45 лет и я впервые вижу такую мышку, занимаюсь компьютерами с 12 лет.Была только uvk-01

  • @felixbelanger2659
    @felixbelanger2659 9 місяців тому +983

    This is exactly the type of content LTT excels at and that I want to see on the channel... Couldn't care less about how many FPS the latest Nividia GPU can run at

    • @Lord_zeel
      @Lord_zeel 9 місяців тому +42

      While I agree, I wouldn't want hardware testing/reviews to go away. Those videos aren't very entertaining, but when you're shopping for that sort of product having some information is always good.

    • @felixbelanger2659
      @felixbelanger2659 9 місяців тому +10

      @@Lord_zeel sure, but there's already a ton of other content creators that do it. Obviously, once the Labs team has hit their stride, LTT might be able to bring something new and interesting to hardware reviews though

    • @playeronthebeat
      @playeronthebeat 8 місяців тому

      @@felixbelanger2659 but I still feel like having more creators doing that and calling out flaws and the like will put more pressure on the companies building the products. Also, people may come to different conclusions and look at these things differently. I'm happily watching three reviews of the same product to either validate my gut feeling or just finding out if one of the reviews may be wrong or something.
      Just have more variety. It's also about who you can listen to best and who displays information best as well as the length of such videos.

    • @bassyey
      @bassyey 8 місяців тому +3

      Not going to work, we are vastly different audience, yes there are overlaps. But most gamers won't even know how to use a microcontroller interrupt or code a software interrupt.

    • @tsukiiiiiii
      @tsukiiiiiii 8 місяців тому

      @@Sabrinahuskydog Can you name a notable example? I don't watch LTT much but I'm actually kinda surprised that their hardware reviews would contain "so much misinformation" as you said.

  • @memberofsociety1
    @memberofsociety1 9 місяців тому +91

    I remember looking through my grandfathers box filled with old tech, and I saw this mouse, I asked him what it was and he explained everything to me, he even showed me how it worked after setting up his old machine! Great memories.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 8 місяців тому +1

      Cool, he still had his old computer to show you?

    • @memberofsociety1
      @memberofsociety1 8 місяців тому +6

      Yep! Not sure where it is right now though, if I ever visit him again I'll take a vid of it and how it works n such

    • @giangnhu9905
      @giangnhu9905 7 місяців тому +1

      @@memberofsociety1 hey, just to let you know that there is still someone waiting for a video from you :)

    • @memberofsociety1
      @memberofsociety1 7 місяців тому

      @@giangnhu9905 hey, haven't gotten a chance to visit him yet, as he lives very far away from me, but thanks for reminding me!

  • @g1nkoy
    @g1nkoy 6 місяців тому +29

    Спасибо за видео, было очень интересно посмотреть на "технологии предков"😊

  • @dreemtul
    @dreemtul 7 місяців тому +30

    I still remember 18 years ago a friend of mine was owning literally everyone with his ball mause in fpses like Call of duty 2. Obviously his mouse was not from soviet era, but still... he was much better than guys with razer mouses and was laughing when people were bragging about their mouses on chat, and he was still owning them like small kids. It was beautiful. Greetings Juraz!

  • @notawesomebread
    @notawesomebread 9 місяців тому +98

    As someone going to school for ECE, the process of figuring out the pinouts, and then deciphering the signals in order to use the mouse on a modern machine was definitely one of the most interesting things I've seen from this channel. It'd be cool if there were Labs specific videos where we get to see them work these types of problems out, and we could see the process in greater detail.

  • @timofey-sak
    @timofey-sak 9 місяців тому +221

    I had access to my father's BK 0010-01 as a child... It was glorious! Games were on magnetic tapes like audio cassettes and a small bent piece of wire in the connector was magically necessary to connect the PC to the soviet TV... But the games were fantastic! Boulder dash, Lode Runner, Tetris and many other classics were adapted to BK. However, I never knew that there was a MOUSE!

    • @trider_12
      @trider_12 9 місяців тому +7

      Finally someone with a legit story

    • @PhotographerFace
      @PhotographerFace 9 місяців тому +9

      I have use it. Games and programs was on audio cassettes. To upload it - you must connect audio cassette player to PC. Press start in DOS command line and press PLAY button on cassette player. Game LOde runner uploaded about 30 minutes. Often with errors because of Refrigerator starts and a little shocks power line. And do 30 min again to full signal transfer without errors. After 3th attempt you became to understand those signals and sounds out of the player dynamic. I think it is future of computer language communication.

    • @pavelwpg
      @pavelwpg 9 місяців тому

      bro. Same.

    • @genderender
      @genderender 9 місяців тому +1

      cassette tapes were very common in the us and europe for a while, before floppy drive quickly took over the low end. most computers didn't even have any logic for it, just a 3.5mm audio jack (or a proprietary connector, looking at you radioshack). probably 1977-1983 or so, but never on 8086 machines who stuck with expensive floppy drives. most schools would have had floppies too due to grants, so there's a huge group of people who grew up in this era and just didn't have much experience with cassettes for data storage
      if anyone is curious, the data is stored as sound and yes. it sounds like dial up, its a very similar technology

    • @vadimyakovlev1910
      @vadimyakovlev1910 9 місяців тому

      In a local House of Pioneers which I used to visit as a kid there was a LAN consisting of BK-0010 connected to "server" DVK-3 which had two 5,25" floppy drives, and the games were stored on floppies instead of tapes. Unfortunately back then I was too young and can't tell what technology the LAN was using.

  • @SomosTurbeadoresTV
    @SomosTurbeadoresTV 8 місяців тому +3

    Linus, you are the best... I loved this video! Its interesting, great rythm and drama even! Haha. This is the stuff you guys can make! Keep up! Greetings from CUBA!

  • @giggling_boatswain
    @giggling_boatswain 8 місяців тому +4

    Any Soviet electrical device was supplied with a detailed service diagram and a serious technical description of the circuit. The West should have taken an example from this. Today we have disposable, non-repairable gadgets and the social movement “Right to Repair” (against specially produced non-repairable gadgets. Change the batteries yourself in your phone, for example, or in your MP3 player). You won't succeed - the case is not collapsible. For a trivial breakdown of $3, you will have to buy a new gadget for $1,000. People organized such a movement to protect themselves from such marketing geniuses and oblige manufacturers to make their gadgets and household appliances repairable. I know a guy in Europe who buys Soviet devices, including old military ones, and revives them. His surprises know no bounds due to the original technical solutions.

    • @JollyGiant19
      @JollyGiant19 Місяць тому +1

      The West did, it just fell out of fashion as most people opted to buy new instead of fixing something
      A lot of my grandfathers electronics included schematics but that’s like gold to find now

  • @ernestoyepez5103
    @ernestoyepez5103 9 місяців тому +201

    I love how you use your team in this video. Imagine how many more creative and or crazy things you can do

  • @Patterrz
    @Patterrz 9 місяців тому +23

    Even just the name of the mouse is dripping with Soviet vibes "Mars UKV-01 Coordinate Input Device"

    • @banonotit800
      @banonotit800 9 місяців тому +6

      Device of input coordinational is what УВК stands for

  • @ScotttheCyborg
    @ScotttheCyborg 8 місяців тому +3

    It's nice to see that Linus has the balls to test these old mouses.

  • @petrtkac267
    @petrtkac267 7 місяців тому +7

    still better ergonomics then apple mouse

  • @ChaZcaTriX
    @ChaZcaTriX 9 місяців тому +9

    6:14 - КН stands for "Кнопка" ("Knopka"), meaning "Button"

  • @Ryadovoy_Borodin
    @Ryadovoy_Borodin 9 місяців тому +830

    I remember having this exact mouse as a child. It was always so awkward to use.

    • @computergroup1
      @computergroup1 9 місяців тому +27

      Побоюсь спросить, сколько Вам лет?

    • @Ryadovoy_Borodin
      @Ryadovoy_Borodin 9 місяців тому +77

      @@computergroup1 Мне 23. У моего отца было много старых компьютеров.

    • @trider_12
      @trider_12 9 місяців тому +27

      ​@@Ryadovoy_Borodin"Я 23"?😂 Are you sure you are not lying?

    • @creounity
      @creounity 9 місяців тому +8

      Мне 37, но эту древнючесть уже не застал :D

    • @Ryadovoy_Borodin
      @Ryadovoy_Borodin 9 місяців тому +72

      @@trider_12 Russian is not my first language, but my father was Soviet. I apologise for not being too good at speaking it yet.

  • @Necrophobic2013
    @Necrophobic2013 6 місяців тому +1

    The review was very interesting, and by the way I don't think the mouse is slow if we go by the monitors of the time and their resolution, it is quite normal speed.

  • @PHOBOS1708
    @PHOBOS1708 8 місяців тому +2

    despite all the issues in the past Linus, your content is so cool and entertaining. and educational ... 😉👍🎉

  • @mysterria_com
    @mysterria_com 8 місяців тому +17

    In soviet russia, we were taught how to read electronic schematics in school, so we could fix the thing ourselves. And frankly balled mouses were pretty common till 2010 or so.

    • @user-ru6kk8ik5n
      @user-ru6kk8ik5n 6 місяців тому

      Чё за бред. Впервые вижу такую мышь. До какого 2010? У меня мышь лазерная с 2007 или с 2008 года. А до этого оптическая была. И максимум года два мучился с шариковой. 2001-2002.

  • @ricarfus2212
    @ricarfus2212 9 місяців тому +139

    Next video : I bought a ww1 gaming mouse

    • @jonteboimakesgames
      @jonteboimakesgames 9 місяців тому +7

      Would be fkn awesome to make a ww1 or ww2 inspired setup that could be so sick

    • @PeterDanielBerg
      @PeterDanielBerg 9 місяців тому +6

      @@jonteboimakesgames *slaps roof of computer tower* "Old Ironsides can fit so many grand strategy games in it"

    • @JScott-lg4jb
      @JScott-lg4jb 9 місяців тому +6

      I bought Jesus’s G pro superlight

    • @ricarfus2212
      @ricarfus2212 9 місяців тому

      @@JScott-lg4jb😂😂

    • @SpecShadow
      @SpecShadow 9 місяців тому

      just use a lot of barbed wire

  • @zxcvisoncrack
    @zxcvisoncrack 9 місяців тому +146

    Its not his mouse, its OUR mouse

    • @kylewitter2806
      @kylewitter2806 9 місяців тому +9

      I was waiting for this comment😂

    • @Misimpa
      @Misimpa 9 місяців тому +4

      Our PC

    • @tamos_tj
      @tamos_tj 7 місяців тому +2

      I understand that this is a joke. But in the USSR, private and public property was divided. There was no right to have means of production that brought profit. But it 's okay to have personal belongings , including computers

    • @nasha710
      @nasha710 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Misimpaand pc stands for "public computer"😅

  • @nathannight5396
    @nathannight5396 7 місяців тому +8

    Почему я, человек который родился в СССР, узнаю о русских мышках от иностранца? О_о это так странно... и очень интересно )

    • @katya6301
      @katya6301 6 місяців тому

      Потому что потому

    • @nathannight5396
      @nathannight5396 6 місяців тому +1

      @@katya6301 и не возразить ведь даже…))

  • @TheDreadGazeebo
    @TheDreadGazeebo 9 місяців тому +300

    Bravo LTT and Labs team for doing so much research and work and not giving up just because this is a "silly" vid. This is the kind of content I started watching for, deep dives into something totally obscure. Where else would we get to see this kind of weird stuff?

    • @wesleymercer4536
      @wesleymercer4536 8 місяців тому +1

      Same, I hope this kind of videos stay around. I am glad that it's back.

    • @julianhelder8839
      @julianhelder8839 8 місяців тому

      too bad their blew their reputation

    • @lyrilljackson
      @lyrilljackson 7 місяців тому +1

      guys forgot to explain if the mouse has equivalent of infinite or "max" 4.5khz "sensor framerate(fps)" +/ 4.5khz capable MCU (io chip to computer..?). i wouldn''t bother mentioning this if comments elsewhere start to diss logitech 2khz.

    • @braincell4536
      @braincell4536 7 місяців тому

      @@julianhelder8839 this video still gained 1.5 million views

    • @braincell4536
      @braincell4536 7 місяців тому

      @@julianhelder8839 and their latest video as time of writing has 735k views...

  • @Jiatao24
    @Jiatao24 9 місяців тому +386

    This is really the content you can't find anywhere else! Who else is going to have the ability to draw on the expertise of an entire lab and the jank to try to get a forty-year-old mouse to work, and the presentation skill to make it all interesting to watch?

    • @Jupex
      @Jupex 9 місяців тому +5

      ?

    • @weberman173
      @weberman173 9 місяців тому +12

      tbf, this wasnt the most demanding job.
      the buttons where, as he said, just reading the voltage and simulating a mouseclick via the USBHID the Pico is pretending to be.
      The pinout in the manual did most of the actual trial and error.
      and movement really only required them to figure out that it needs to be reset/set to 0 everytime you moved(which he also said)
      anyone with a bit of knowledge in coding for a pico or arduino would be able to do the same, altough maybe taking a bit longer
      like dont get me wrong, its a nice video, and neat they did it, but it really isnt a "only someone with an entire lab worth of people could do this" this isnt a lot more complicated then making your own button box for a flight simulator from scratch using an arduino or rasperry pico

    • @mikcnmvedmsfonoteka
      @mikcnmvedmsfonoteka 9 місяців тому

      Curious Mark probably

    • @BooleanDev
      @BooleanDev 9 місяців тому +12

      @@weberman173fact is, this video wouldnt exist without the lab, that was the point

    • @weberman173
      @weberman173 9 місяців тому +3

      it litteraly would.... they litteraly had a whole joke about "someone else was gonna do it then they realized they have the lab who can do the same stuff, but faster"@@BooleanDev

  • @ufimec_geroj
    @ufimec_geroj 7 місяців тому +10

    Очень интересно было посмотреть на такую мышь, можно заметить как за 40 лет электроника сильно изменилась.

  • @13StJimmy
    @13StJimmy 9 місяців тому +77

    Learning electronics is one thing but Soviet electronics is in another world lol
    I bought an old Soviet era guitar (Czech actually but the electronics were Russian) and the pickups didn’t work right and I had to take it to 2 different guitar techs to at least get sound out of it, the pickups work but the switches and selectors don’t sadly

    • @dhkatz_
      @dhkatz_ 9 місяців тому +5

      Yeah it really makes you realize just how important standards are. When electronics don't speak the types of signals, voltages, etc. that the rest of the world does it makes it so much harder to adapt to

    • @nighteule
      @nighteule 9 місяців тому +4

      @@dhkatz_ Preferably open standards that countries aren't kept out of simply for having a different political system

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 9 місяців тому +4

      Need an actual electronic technician, not a luthier, they are very simple devices electrically.

  • @allgaming5647
    @allgaming5647 9 місяців тому +33

    The fact that the video started WITH the thumbnail and continued on from there is actually super amazing and did NOT go unnoticed. Please keep doing that it’s a really cool effect. I wish everybody did that.

  • @crimeanhawk123
    @crimeanhawk123 6 місяців тому

    for any subjects in the USSR, there has always been an extended instruction, complete with the subject. For example, there were whole books with diagrams and detailed technical documentation for cars and machines. A detailed electronic schematic diagram was necessarily attached to televisions and other electronic devices. Everything was done so that you could assemble the device from scratch, on your own, and set it up to work. Here's a good example for you: a VAZ Niva car. This machine can be repaired in the Siberian taiga with a stone and a wooden baton, all liquid conductors are sealed with wood resin or clay. And at the same time, it also included schematics of all components and assemblies.

  • @XxxRagdexxX
    @XxxRagdexxX 6 місяців тому

    The LLT team's incredible ability to 'dub into Spanish' is just mind-blowing! I mean, it's not like a couple of rebellious teens with a bit of attitude could do a better job, right? Who needs enthusiasm and liveliness when you can sound as lively as a brick wall? Keep up that riveting energy!
    In all seriousness, I stumbled upon the Spanish option for LLT videos by mistake (or perhaps I forgot it existed), and I have to say, it sounds so bad that I initially thought I had selected a descriptive Spanish feature. It genuinely sounds like a robot is just reading lines!
    if the team its in doubts of the Spanish just contact your fan base (me included)

  • @Zanzubaa
    @Zanzubaa 9 місяців тому +56

    Nice video. I enjoyed the time taken to explain how they got it working, even tslking about the circuit diagrams and the process.

    • @BladeScraper
      @BladeScraper 9 місяців тому +2

      Yeah for real. Really enjoyable content. Good stuff Linus/writers!

  • @-Graham
    @-Graham 9 місяців тому +6

    6:43 "In Soviet Russia, Google searches you! (Just like everywhere)"
    😂🤣

  • @Zyamilon
    @Zyamilon 8 місяців тому +3

    5:10 yeah, many Soviet devices for ppl had a full schemes for repair and parts description. Good times.

  • @GumGuts
    @GumGuts 8 місяців тому +1

    Wow! What a great video! Thanks, LTT

  • @kallestofeles
    @kallestofeles 9 місяців тому +117

    I hope that your lab releases the pico code and schemas to public so that not everyone has to go through the same suffering who is interested in this.

    • @capybara5494
      @capybara5494 9 місяців тому +34

      To go through the suffering is the only rewarding thing in this whole process to be honest

    • @Cloudstreet
      @Cloudstreet 9 місяців тому +12

      I think in one of the first videos where linus explains the plans for the lab, a big point was that it was going to be very open source about their findings etc. I do not think the labs website is up yet however.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Cloudstreet eventually and soon^tm

    • @stiegelzeine2186
      @stiegelzeine2186 9 місяців тому

      Who tf would even pay 330 bucks for such trash? Like ltt probably made a few grand for this video so they atleast earned something wich covered their initial investment and their employees work but a private person has nothing out of that you would only lose money

    • @fuarkstyle
      @fuarkstyle 9 місяців тому +5

      ​@@stiegelzeine2186 clearly not understanding how a market works.

  • @Pidalin
    @Pidalin 8 місяців тому +305

    Wow, Soviets had to be really a decades in front of us, as a Czech, I saw computer with actual mouse for the first time probably around year 2000. 😀
    Full electrical schematics was something completely normal even for western products in the past, it's sad that they don't do that anymore, even my grandma's old SONY TV had that.
    BTW, this shape is actually better than what most of modern mice have.

    • @Z_Pavel
      @Z_Pavel 8 місяців тому +8

      Wow, i thought only in USSR we had e-goods along with schematics.

    • @J0rdan912
      @J0rdan912 7 місяців тому +129

      It's true, at some point USSR had the most advanced computers in the world with it's own unique software and algorithms, that actually should be obvious because all of the Soviets breakthroughs in space programs, satellites, rockets, nuclear industry, physics, chemistry etc. Unfortunately, not everyone in Moscow was a fan of computers and robotics, so a lot of stuff were underfunded and then after collapse of USSR everyone related moved to Asia, Europe, US, everything was ruined, stolen, sold to foreign to companies like Intel.

    • @ViracochaFI
      @ViracochaFI 7 місяців тому +6

      I still have Commodore C-64 schematics.

    • @Eridelm
      @Eridelm 7 місяців тому +8

      @@J0rdan912 Reality is everything in 80's were underfunded. Booming 60's long gone when the price of the oil were high and our governement literally exploited our western neighbours. Still I have to give huge props to the guys in a lab rooms able to either reverse engineer something from the west or come up with their own robust design.

    • @J0rdan912
      @J0rdan912 7 місяців тому +27

      @@Eridelm I mean computers and robotics are exactly what was underfunded in USSR because almost every Soviet government was focused on "real" industry and manufacturing, so when they realized that electronics became outdated and underfunded, it was too late as many engineers and programmers started leaving USSR in 80s and imported stuff captured almost every customer and industrial group as borders and import became less restricted.
      I'm not sure what you mean by exploiting western neighbors, because they were completely dependent from Soviet funding just like now from EU funding. I personally know only one case, Latvia was some kinda western showcase of Soviet vehicular and home electronics. If it considered to be "exploiting", then I'm happy for them now since there is nothing left and apparently they are totally not exploited by EU.

  • @rafatopolski7628
    @rafatopolski7628 7 місяців тому +1

    Nod to Salad fingers was something I wasn't prepared for.

  • @bender_bay
    @bender_bay 7 місяців тому +8

    Interesting fact - mentioned cost is "150 rubles" and the cost is about average salary of common soviet engineer (about 120-150 rubles at the end of 80s). For example: store sellers had avg 80 rubles, workers avg 200 rubles. Official currency rate was 1 US dollar vs 0.65 Soviet ruble (less than 1 ruble), non official "black market" had different currency rate from 8 rubles per 1 USD to 10-15 rubles

    • @_____.__
      @_____.__ 7 місяців тому +1

      Actually, the commercial exchange rate was over 30 rubles at the end of the 80's. So, the price of the mouse comes down to under $5, definitely not the amount Linus paid for it. 😉

    • @user-nr5rc3sw3r
      @user-nr5rc3sw3r 7 місяців тому +1

      @@_____.__ u lie

  • @ciclossickasssideshow
    @ciclossickasssideshow 9 місяців тому +8

    That Salad fingers moment re-ignited my PTSD. Thanks Linus!

    • @aspuzling
      @aspuzling 9 місяців тому +1

      I actually laughed out loud at that reference. So many terrifying memories suddenly resurfaced.

  • @Raja995mh33
    @Raja995mh33 9 місяців тому +94

    It's always mind boggling to me when you think about some stuff like this BK-0010. 3Mhz for example sounds like a joke nowadays but when you think about that this still means it clocks freakin' 3.000.000 times a second, this is kinda crazy 😅

    • @jfolz
      @jfolz 9 місяців тому +17

      One cycle on a modern 5 GHz CPU takes 0.2 nanoseconds. Each core can perform multiple operations per cycle. Yet it still takes forever to boot the OS and open programs.

    • @tommiaijala2732
      @tommiaijala2732 9 місяців тому +6

      The Commodore 64 here in the west I used was only 1Mhz and people do crazy cool stuff with it. Also my next computer Amiga 500 was 7 mhz and that has good looking (4096 colors) and "real" music sounding games.

    • @inconnn
      @inconnn 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@jfolzyeah but I'm pretty sure most of that time is I/O anyways, where the CPU can't really do anything even if it wanted to. Like loading OS components into memory. Though my Linux laptop boots up really fast, it could just be a Windows thing

    • @FuckGoogle502
      @FuckGoogle502 9 місяців тому +2

      @@jfolz Because cycle speed and amount of work done during a cycle are completely different things. Similar to a car engine at 10,000 RPM. With high gearing, a car running at 10,000 RPM in first gear could go, say, 50MPH, but add a double reduction transfer case and suddenly that 10,000 RPM is less than 5 MPH. Very simple analogy, but yeah, it all depends on the system as a whole. Plus, modern computers are loading a LOT more big-brother style phone-home software when they boot than the old ones were.

    • @benwu7980
      @benwu7980 9 місяців тому +2

      @@tommiaijala2732 Yeah, back then the Mhz had much more meaning than currently does. I too had a c64, then A500's, an a600 (first time using a hdd, iirc a 20mb) , and finally an a1200 with an '060 add-in board.
      The coders were really amazing at pushing every erg out of those machines. Demo scene doing 64kb bootblock demos, Spaceballs with their State of the Art's, aswell as the audio stuff. Good times.

  • @TzOk
    @TzOk 6 місяців тому

    At first glance, it resembles the Amiga/Atari ST mouse communication protocol, but the difference is in the RESET line. As it was quoted, in the original computer the mouse was polled 50 times a second (50 Hz), so that was the RESET frequency.

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMS 7 місяців тому +3

    Shame you didn't get extra premium edition in red color.

    • @_____.__
      @_____.__ 7 місяців тому

      He can still use some paint.

  • @Taalul
    @Taalul 9 місяців тому +28

    "A surprising number of folks were able to sound out the letters" Cyrillic is very easy to understand. Russian is quite hard but a lot of words are same as english

    • @pxolqopt3597
      @pxolqopt3597 9 місяців тому +3

      On a technical document even just being able to sound out the words may actually help because a lot of technical words are similar to English

    • @Taalul
      @Taalul 9 місяців тому +1

      @@pxolqopt3597 i mentioned that
      The (edited) was because it was a totally different comment but I thought it wasn’t good

  • @im_not_rado3026
    @im_not_rado3026 9 місяців тому +34

    Красивая мышка, очень интересное видео, товарищ Линус Технологические Советы

  • @iana6713
    @iana6713 7 місяців тому

    Reminds me of a USSR-era portable radio I once owned. The box contained one instruction leaflet printed on something resembling toilet paper, and a full circuit diagram on the same high-quality material. A product of a system where things were designed to be repaired rather than cast aside when they broke, but then you slammed up against the buffers of Soviet industry and a system whose inefficiencies led to an appalling lack of spare parts for everything from cars to computers...

  • @Anuclano
    @Anuclano 6 місяців тому

    I had a "Marsianka" mouse like this (actually two), but they had black round cable and a plug for parallel port of Elektronika BK series. The buttons had equal clicks on the both.

  • @carnap355
    @carnap355 9 місяців тому +51

    Windows sensitivity setting increases jitteriness. If you reduce it, you could increase hardware sensitivity more and end up with less jitteriness. This is true even for modern mice, if you try using them on highest windows sensitivity setting, despite insane DPIs you will see it skipping 10 pixels, because windows just multiplies the movement instead of actually increasing the DPI

    • @tomaszkulig97
      @tomaszkulig97 8 місяців тому +1

      also decreasing the value below 6/11(default) will create a negative acceleration, the default option is a raw input with "enhance pointer precision" option disabled

    • @commanderdon4300
      @commanderdon4300 7 місяців тому

      This might be good for helping the player to make small adjustments in their aim in first person shooters, i'm going to try this myself by turning windows sensitivity down to 3 and put my mouse hardware up.

  • @MilesLoden-vn6wr
    @MilesLoden-vn6wr 9 місяців тому +219

    Congratulations comrade Linus, you have made the computer nerds of the world unite.

    • @nicolausteslaus
      @nicolausteslaus 8 місяців тому +1

      USSR was a LGBT paradise!

    • @gtworldzhd4137
      @gtworldzhd4137 8 місяців тому +15

      We have nothing to lose but our cables!

    • @thedoctor3996
      @thedoctor3996 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@@nicolausteslaus No, it wasn't. If the USSR was a LGBT paradise, none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. In fact, it's the countries that embrace Western values that are becoming more LGBT friendly while countries that still stick to their Soviet past (Belarus, Russia, Armenia, et cetera) are becoming far more hostile toward the LGBT community.

    • @nicolausteslaus
      @nicolausteslaus 8 місяців тому

      @@thedoctor3996
      >none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today.
      ahahah, what a dumb argument. Russia used to be a communist country, now more than 90% of its population is anticommunist.

    • @antoniogabrielmagalhaes5570
      @antoniogabrielmagalhaes5570 7 місяців тому

      @@thedoctor3996 This countries with 'soviet pasts' are not align with the USSR life system, you are doing an asymmetric comparative

  • @TEA_32
    @TEA_32 6 місяців тому +9

    As a person born and raised in Russia, I am very glad that you (techno and not quite techno bloggers) review things from the USSR and Russia of the 90s.Thank you for being interested in things not only from the USA, Mexico, or some other countries.

  • @kristofferhellstrom
    @kristofferhellstrom 5 місяців тому

    Such a cool video! Interesting seeing some soviet tech and you guys got it working.

  • @kerty-
    @kerty- 9 місяців тому +420

    Партия благодарит вас за видео!
    Продолжайте в том же духе, товарищ!

    • @iSirPS
      @iSirPS 9 місяців тому +35

      Шти...Лайнус еще никогда не был так близок к провалу )))

    • @happilyenraged713
      @happilyenraged713 9 місяців тому +19

      we must bump this mans comment to top

    • @iSirPS
      @iSirPS 9 місяців тому +2

      @@happilyenraged713 good idea )

    • @Bunster
      @Bunster 9 місяців тому +3

      u wot m8

    • @retardmoguss
      @retardmoguss 9 місяців тому

      Ребята, секретные скрытые советы на Линусе.

  • @realJeffDunham
    @realJeffDunham 9 місяців тому +97

    Still a better design than the Apple mouse

    • @CLEARXN
      @CLEARXN 9 місяців тому +4

      fax

    • @inspector5122
      @inspector5122 9 місяців тому +2

      Even the Yugo, a soviet car had a better design than anything Apple today

    • @ph12tech
      @ph12tech 9 місяців тому +3

      ​​​@@inspector5122Yugo was a Jugoslavian car, not a Soviet vehicle, hence the name Yugo. Jugoslavia was a union of slavic countries, but completely different ones from the USSR. It was (and it is) a great country 💙🤍❤️

    • @inspector5122
      @inspector5122 9 місяців тому +1

      @@ph12tech my bad. But still, that car is better than anything Apple

    • @ph12tech
      @ph12tech 9 місяців тому

      @@inspector5122 no problem mate and I agree with you

  • @dulius6922
    @dulius6922 8 місяців тому

    Great video, cool old tech

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand 8 місяців тому +11

    Living in Kiev in the late 1980s, our first computer was actually a Yamaha (yes from that Japanese Motorcycle/Musical Instrument company) I remember it took cartridges and there was a game of a penguin racing to the south pole and jumping over cracks in the ice.

    • @haxie4516
      @haxie4516 8 місяців тому +7

      There's a meme somewhere about all the random stuff that Yamaha makes, it's actually hilarious

    • @_____.__
      @_____.__ 7 місяців тому

      Слава Україні!

    • @user-nr5rc3sw3r
      @user-nr5rc3sw3r 7 місяців тому +3

      @@_____.__ это уже хазария 🤣🤣🤣

    • @amid7916
      @amid7916 6 місяців тому +1

      Ямахавский комп с картриджами? Скорее всего это MSX.
      А игра про пингвина это Penguin Adventure.

  • @anatolyanatoly8037
    @anatolyanatoly8037 9 місяців тому +60

    As a Russian myself I can say It was quite fascinating to watch somebody having so much fun with piece of soviet tech. Btw, if you want translation of technical Russian documentation, I am ready to help ;-) А еще, если Лайнус это переведет, он низкий

    • @goosevvlad98
      @goosevvlad98 9 місяців тому +1

      Как бы он потом коммент этот не удалил)

  • @dragoneel2
    @dragoneel2 9 місяців тому +7

    Love seeing this level of indepth work in a video, love to see the process and what a team like labs can get to work

  • @user-tc9sk4ei9y
    @user-tc9sk4ei9y 8 місяців тому +1

    Fun fact: The halfling face at 3:08 is based on Bilbo from the soviet 'Hobbit' publication of 1976 which had artwork made by Michail Belomlinsky. Curious, the graphics say "Master of the rings". not 'Lord of the rings' - probably, gamedevs read it only in Russian (in Russian it's not literally the 'Lord')

  • @user-zr4uw5ng3r
    @user-zr4uw5ng3r 6 місяців тому +1

    We had these mouses in school. And yes, they were used with BK-0010/BK-0011.

  • @clencheastwood1571
    @clencheastwood1571 9 місяців тому +6

    I like the insight into the troubleshooting process in the labs. This would be super helpful for anyone trying to get an old mouse to run like this in the future.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 9 місяців тому +1

      I wonder maybe they could have a labs channel to just do this.... it'd be a purely technical channel. no spicing it up for the commons, just pure nerd technical presentation of things...
      It might be a money burn, but it's just documentation essentially... tho they did say they are pausing the new channel projects...

  • @JTCF
    @JTCF 9 місяців тому +37

    Oh it's such a bummer I'm not on the LTT team! I could've translated all of that stuff, the soviet era electronics are really an amazing piece of history!

    • @RaMZes9722
      @RaMZes9722 8 місяців тому +10

      У них огромная аудитория на канале и не умудрились найти того кто мог бы им перевести все бумаги...

    • @mreagan2258
      @mreagan2258 8 місяців тому

      не искали@@RaMZes9722

    • @user-bc4tf7ve1z
      @user-bc4tf7ve1z 8 місяців тому +4

      @@RaMZes9722 я удивлен, что они на форуме своем не спросили походу никого)

    • @JTCF
      @JTCF 8 місяців тому

      @@user-bc4tf7ve1z Ну, подумали что спойлером будет. А так "сюрприз", хоть и кривоватый.

  • @timetuner
    @timetuner 6 місяців тому

    1:55 I see you editing room, and I appreciate you

  • @ultimatedude80
    @ultimatedude80 2 місяці тому

    linus: talks about mouse while taking it apart
    Doom in the background: you spin me right round baby right round

  • @Ultra-Widescreen-Gaming
    @Ultra-Widescreen-Gaming 9 місяців тому +26

    What Labs did, this is literally my world! I like it really and hope they do more in these directions! (Very)old Hardware are simple, so It's easy to do a converter, like with the Micro Pi.

  • @rfitzgerald2004
    @rfitzgerald2004 9 місяців тому +11

    Great video Linus+team, I really appreciate the lengths that you went to with this to get the mouse working and it's really incredible to see it in action on modern hardware. I'm really liking your new revamped content

  • @jeixsdaier9265
    @jeixsdaier9265 8 місяців тому

    That first shot was almost like a jumpscare coming from the thumbnail to the exact same thing

  • @cybermaniac1991
    @cybermaniac1991 6 місяців тому

    I had one, but it required a software to work with and I didn’t have any. Well, button could be used, but there were no soft where you have a pointer to control

  • @castform57
    @castform57 9 місяців тому +15

    What an interesting solution by the labs team of using a pico to translate the pins into modern USB compatible signal. I loved tinkering with the pico in a couple electronics and microcontroller courses I had in school.

    • @Tomyb15
      @Tomyb15 9 місяців тому

      The pico is basically made for these tasks. The PIO system that it has if perfect for these kinds of oddball digital protocols.

  • @anonyshinki
    @anonyshinki 9 місяців тому +183

    With how many Russian-speaking viewers you have (yours truly included), I'm surprised you didn't just ask someone to translate the manual. Though, understandably, it does make for a somewhat funnier video if the host goes "oh no undecipherable communist runes what are we gonna do".

    • @quidnunc01
      @quidnunc01 9 місяців тому +22

      Or use Google translate? You can just point the camera at text and it will translate in real time whether it's paper or a street sign

    • @anonyshinki
      @anonyshinki 9 місяців тому +18

      @@quidnunc01 true, although while it would probably handle text blocks to a satisfactory degree, it might struggle with the schematics.

    • @pxolqopt3597
      @pxolqopt3597 9 місяців тому

      ​​@@quidnunc01i have used that and it is super unreliable even for properly formatted text. When you finally manage to get detecting the text it just goves you the most non sensical translation

    • @alexusman
      @alexusman 9 місяців тому +24

      ​@@quidnunc01GT won't work with abbreviations.

    • @krusitel5650
      @krusitel5650 9 місяців тому +6

      Я тоже являюсь русскоязычным зрителем их канала. Мне было очень интересно посмотреть данный ролик,как они купили мышку советского времени.

  • @lulzee
    @lulzee 8 місяців тому +4

    As a russian and someone who saw that type of old soviet electronics in grandpa garage I'm absolutely amazed to see this in video from Linus! In 2001 I'm already had an old PC with 1GB HDD and Windows Millennium Edition, so you can guess how fast western technology enters postsoviet market after end of USSR (they're appeared even earlier, something like in 1995-96, suppose something older then me can tell more about this in comments).
    I'm also had "Dendy" game console back then, which is NES/Famicom unofficial clone, that can play all NES cartridges. This is big part of Russian retrogaming culture tho

  • @UltimatePerfection
    @UltimatePerfection 7 місяців тому

    Is the Pico software you used to make it run available to download? Because I found some of these in storage and I'd hate for something that works go to waste.

  • @Infigo96
    @Infigo96 9 місяців тому +15

    In 95 displays were most comonly 640x480 or 800x600. Which both is likely higher than was available when this mouse came out and possibly soviet did not even have that good displays. But regardless, a modern 1440p (which i'm guessing that is) will need more pixel moved per cycle than a old junker so If you brought a 640x480 display the mouse would feel a lot better speed wise without being jittery.
    Like...I grew up with mice at around 800dpi when 1080p was just becoming the norm.....now I use around 3000 at 1440p. Expectation of how mice move have changed a lot

    • @Martinspire
      @Martinspire 9 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I was already thinking that the 4k or even 1080p resolution was obviously too large for the design of this mouse.

  • @janetjane4861
    @janetjane4861 9 місяців тому +4

    9:36 In Soviet Russia, mouse turns YOU.