I love how they're using a Pi Pico, a VASTLY more powerful system than the whole original computer this mouse was designed for, just to translate the serial signal :D
LOL well having to slow down the clock speed of their hardware to, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one issue as well. Full emulators (hillarously) like need to slow waaaay down so games aren't going at mach20
@@mycosys You cannot really compare physical layer frequency with CPU operating frequency. IO protocols are usually implemented up to the transport layer using IO controllers, which are dedicated circuits and logic made to just handle the IO. In theory a USB2 controller addon could be made for the BK-0010 which would allow it to reliably maintain a full speed USB2 connection, even if the processor would not be fast enough to maintain the full potential data transfer rate the connection offers over an extended period. Since a USB mouse uses nowhere near the ~1.5 MB/sec that USB2 connections offer, it is likely that a BK-0010 would be able to use such a USB controller for input from a modern USB mouse, or to act as a modern USB mouse recognised by a modern computer.
There are several Apple 1 clones on the market for hobbyists nowadays. The one that's 100% chip-by-chip duplicate is crazy expensive, if you can even find those chips that's long went out of production. Most other clones replaced the unobtainium display chip with a micro-controller, which many people pointed out is many times more powerful than the entire computer lol
WRT schematics. It was actually common in USSR to get very extensive manual with any piece of tech. Including full schematics for TVs, sound amplifiers, vinyl players, etc. You could use it to repair device yourself or at the very least help a repair shop if you had an uncommon device
That was also common in the US up through about the 1950s. Most old tube electronics (prior to transistors) have a schematic glued to the inside of the chassis. There were also printed periodicals that were meant for the repair trade which would contain advanced schematics and repair guides for any new products that came out since the last issue. Those were done by a third party however. Most electronic repair shops would have a huge bookshelf full of the books as well as special index books that would let you know which issue to look in to find the device you wanted to repair.
@@dXXPacmanXXb It's actually just a military standard. In the USSR, all production facilities were built for military needs. Even civilian goods were made to military production standards
In Soviet Union including full schematics in the manual was the thing. They always did that and even for very complex stuff, like TVs or vinyl/cassette/radio sets (those were huge, and their schematics too).
yes that was interesting thing about USSR - people was technically more advanced than today, there was science magazines with some electronic schemes, so people can buy spare parts (plates, semiconductors etc) and make things on their own. Back to 1980th there was a cult of technology and engineering. It's actually real reason why among Russian engineers so many Soviet patriots - bald fat drunk guys in USSR t-shirts was a guys who grow up on magazines like Young Technician'84
I think that was the norm all over the world, even American TVs came with schematics until maybe early 1980s. Even into maybe mid 2000s you could e-mail Panasonic and get schematics for their products. Not sure if that's still a thing, though.
Yes, it was very usual thing for soviet electronics. As a child, I had a computer "Дельта-С" (Delta-S) - ZX Spectrum clone. The instruction contained even modification schemes for connecting to incompatible TVs.
Most large appliances come with a service manual hidden inside somewhere. My top load washer was simply taped to the inside wall underneath, my microwave one was hidden behind the keypad, my parents front load dryer was behind the front panel.
While this mouse may have been slow, remember that it was designed for systems with a far lower resolution, notably: High-resolution mode: 512x256 pixels, monochrome. Low-resolution mode: 256x256 pixels, 4 colors. So this would have been more than sufficient for something effectively 4 to 8 times lower in resolution. The fact they not only reverse engineered something almost 40 years old but also in an entirely different language, a testament to the LTT Labs Team and I really enjoyed this video.
@@nikolaikozlovski2654 There was no text mode in БК0010-01. Text characters were drawn by system procedures into screen memory in graphical mode using stensils in ROM. Nevertheless, they made scrolling faster than of IBM PC of the time in text mode.
I was a kid in the USSR in the 80s and my family was one of the few lucky enough to have a home PCs. Seeing this mouse again brought back so many memories. Thanks Linus.
"KH1" and "КН2" are actually "KN1" and "KN2", cause "KN" is just a short for "knopka" (button in russian). It is also not just a "Martian" (that means "female martian" or "male martian" depending on a context), but clearly a "female martian" ("marsianka" as it sounds in russian).
This was actually much cooler than just an "Oh look old tech" piece. Those are cool too, but the labs integration and making it work with modern equipment was super interesting, though it would have been nice to maybe get even more of an explanation of some more of their approach to getting it working.
a 15usd translator from fiverrr could have been 110% extra explanation instead of this "foreign forbidden language nobody knows" thing, is russian ffs, not some alien language
@@ThePrimePrimeryes but the accuracy, especially when talking tech might not be up to par but they actually did translate their websites they visited so that counts for something i guess
КН1 is spelled as "K-N-1" :) H stands for N sound in Cyrillic languages. Here it is an abbreviation for "кнопка 1" ([kn'opka od'in]) which is just "button one"
@@nighteule in french it's "bouton" so i guess it's the latin influence acting here, whereas other anglo-germanic / slavic languages kept the other root
@@neomorphosallomorphis7395 English is actually a slightly deformed child of German and French. There's a lot of influence from both families. For example, mouse is "maus" in German and "souris" in French.
150 rubles???? This is an absolutely insane price by the standards of the time! I don't know which conversion method did the seller use to arrive at 350 usd, but 150 rubles was an average monthly salary in the late 80s USSR, so it would probably be closer to a couple thousand dollars than just $350.
Ну да, замечание верное, з/п действительно около 200 была, я больше по памяти родителей ориентировался (у них была ближе к 150). Но один хрен, 150 советских за мышь это ну как минимум раз в пять больше, чем 350 американских сегодня. Другое дело что наверняка купить в розницу было невозможно и ценник был для закупки предприятиями, поэтому ориентироваться надо скорее по ценам черного рынка, а там поди узнай, сколько за нее просили барыги.
Keep in mind that back when this mouse was created, the most common resolution was 320 or 640, the speed of the mouse relative to the resolution back then is very good. Try using 600 or 800 dpi mouse on 1440/4K screens. It feels insanely slow. I have 4K screen and my mouse is set to 6000DPI.
@@marsamune5592 oh it does, you've probably bumped the accelerator near the end of the slider, but at this point you have no mouse precision since the movement is software calculated by simple multiplication. If your screen resolution was 1920x1200 and your mouse was capable of a maximum DPI of 600, you'd have to move your mouse two inches to get from the bottom of the screen to the top. If your mouse used a DPI of 1200, it would only take one inch to make the same movement on the screen. For 4K resolution multiply the necessary distance to move the mouse by x2 Therefore higher mouse DPI allows you to move faster on the screen with less mouse movement. Higher resolution displays may require higher sensitivity or higher mouse DPI to attain the same amount of on-screen movement, or one would need a ridiculously large mouse-pad.
I don't know if this video was recorded before the hiatus, but honestly it felt much more satisfying to watch because of one thing: it is a very comprehensive, detailed investigation about how this mouse works and how to adapt the signals to modern USB. Most other videos were you find hard problems to solve such as this one usually felt unfinished because they gave up. And I felt that on a couple of videos. I am glad that you guys took the time to make the mouse actually working, I watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up when a problem arose regarding, in this case, translating the signals that this mouse outputs to USB. Summing up, good work!
u must feel great judging like this, "i watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up..." mann idk if it's just me but this shiet sounds funny
They'd always said that they weren't satisfied with the way things were before the hiatus either and that they were working to improve things. This was I think always Linus's vision for LMG - being more comprehensive without being boring but he was just tied up with all the business stuff (hence the CEO).
5:13 The electronics circuit was in almost every instruction for any Soviet technology So that Soviet children from childhood begin to become interested in electronics and help the Soviet Union with new technologies, or so that there are always workers
@@NIMKAOriginalВсе было нормальным тогда по цене,только купить было проблема, спасибо США за санкции. В СССР все было лучше и эффективней чем в США даже своя система написания кода на других принципах но к сожалению это было разрушено. Но ничего мы это восстановим и разрушим США за убийство миллионов людей в России в 90-х.
@@IvoryStan СССР не сильно то и хотел от санкций избавляться Да и СССР намного сильней отставал от США лет на 50. Людям в СССР было нормально только потому что они не знали что на западе творилось, а ведь те кто с СССР на запад переехал не сразу хотели возвращаться обратно
@@IvoryStanэто сарказм?😅 Не пугай их, они и так напуганы) А большинство даже не понимают(не хотят понимать?) что делала и продолжает делать их страна.
It could be interesting to know that while technically it could be translated as "the Martian", the "marsianka" in Russian actually means "the martian woman"
@Kamey03 well, as my understanding goes "the martian" in English is gender neutral, right? In Russian there are almost no gender neutral nouns, so there is either marsianin for male, or marsianka for female. Also while the mouse is indeed feminine, "coordinate input device" is masculine. Either way, "the martian woman" sounds kinda stupid as a product name, so I wouldn't translate it that way:). I just mentioned a potentially interesting fact.
@@lettuce7378 as far as I know, the Interactive Unified Mobile Operating System(DEMOS) was based on BSD, so actually some Soviet home PC's could run BSD. There was also an INMOS that was UNIX-based. Also, according to a wikipedia, the PDP-11 was able to run DEMOS and INMOS.
No, it can't. It's not 100% PDP-compatible, instruction set a little bit different, and it was roughly copied by USSR for some strange bureaucratic reasons. It had an impressive list of software tho (C, Forth, Basic, FOCAL and even about 800 games), but not a single real OS. Some models even had some LAN functionality, we used them in our class where I received my first programming lessons in the late 80's. Wikipedia article “Electronika BK” about this device is quite good, can recommend it.
Dank Pods did a video on old Soviet headphones a while back and most if not all of them came with some kind of schematic in the box. Makes me think that this sort of thing was the norm for Soviet electrical goods, which is very cool if that was the case.
It was because many people back then we're able to read these schematics and had experience in soldering. Also it's just a requirement for documentation equipment. We had also schematics sticked to the backside of the thing.
Yes, there was several reasons for that: bad quality, high price (so you will not just go and buy another one) and things were expected to be fixed and last as long as they could as soviet economics could not produce enough
3:40 - You are wrong about price and currency converting. This mouse was produced in late 80-s or early 90-s(1989-1994), because price on the bottom written with lacquer(not plastic stamped), that because of money inflation in USSR/Russia. Version produсed in 1986 will cost 10 RUB, your mouse is 150 RUB. 10 RUB then and 150 RUB later was the same price ~20-30$ in modern prices.
Im a russian and i have pretty much to say. There was no much difference between salaries from other jobs in USSR. You will get around 100 rub per month and htat included free medical care in many jobs. Prices on bread, milk and others was so low, that you have to stay in queue for 2 hours just to make it to the shop. It was nearly impossible to mass import from other countries Ofc USSR got some remakes of other items. So that's why you can see that video
@BoraHorzaGobuchul Okay, maybe you know better 😂 My uncle in 1987 bought a whole PC with a monitor for 2-3 monthly salaries. By parts. It was around 1200 Rub. He was a tractor driver. Monthly income was 400-800 rub. PC in US cost in that's time ~2000-5000$.
I remember looking through my grandfathers box filled with old tech, and I saw this mouse, I asked him what it was and he explained everything to me, he even showed me how it worked after setting up his old machine! Great memories.
You did not just have the right to repair it. You needed to repair it every once in a while because bue to scarcity you never knew if you will manage to buy another one.
As someone going to school for ECE, the process of figuring out the pinouts, and then deciphering the signals in order to use the mouse on a modern machine was definitely one of the most interesting things I've seen from this channel. It'd be cool if there were Labs specific videos where we get to see them work these types of problems out, and we could see the process in greater detail.
Well, mostly it just takes a single retro computing or EE youtuber like @TechTangents or @bitluni and the likes. Not saying this wasn't good work at LTT, I'm just subscribed to more channels where this is the norm.
I mean, it's really not that complicated, they had all of the schematics, they even found all of the datasheet that they needed, while also having osciloscopes and the like. And like the other guy said, there are other retro youtubers
@@malaista his point was the turn around time. Neither of the channels mentioned, I also watch, do things in 30 minutes to a couple of hours. Neither of them do any soviet era translation videos with soviet IC schematic sources, that I've seen anyway.
You need to make a case for the pico with usb connector, a glass window, and a plug for the mouse. Then you can just show it off at LTX or a LAN party. Make it like who can get the best high score using a Soviet mouse. In soviet russia mouse plays you!
This is exactly the type of content LTT excels at and that I want to see on the channel... Couldn't care less about how many FPS the latest Nividia GPU can run at
@@Lord_zeel sure, but there's already a ton of other content creators that do it. Obviously, once the Labs team has hit their stride, LTT might be able to bring something new and interesting to hardware reviews though
@@felixbelanger2659 but I still feel like having more creators doing that and calling out flaws and the like will put more pressure on the companies building the products. Also, people may come to different conclusions and look at these things differently. I'm happily watching three reviews of the same product to either validate my gut feeling or just finding out if one of the reviews may be wrong or something. Just have more variety. It's also about who you can listen to best and who displays information best as well as the length of such videos.
Not going to work, we are vastly different audience, yes there are overlaps. But most gamers won't even know how to use a microcontroller interrupt or code a software interrupt.
@@Sabrinahuskydog Can you name a notable example? I don't watch LTT much but I'm actually kinda surprised that their hardware reviews would contain "so much misinformation" as you said.
I understand that this is a joke. But in the USSR, private and public property was divided. There was no right to have means of production that brought profit. But it 's okay to have personal belongings , including computers
The fact that the video started WITH the thumbnail and continued on from there is actually super amazing and did NOT go unnoticed. Please keep doing that it’s a really cool effect. I wish everybody did that.
@5:13 The reason Soviet electronics came with electrical schematics, is so the purchaser could repair the component themselves rather than spend money on a new one or pay the purchase price or more for repair. Most Soviet educated citizens by this era were well educated, and we can still find soviet educated doctors, professiors and the like working world wide on their Soviet education credentials. One of my surgeons and mt regular GP are both soviet educated, one for Kazakhstan, the other from Georgia. They are fantastic and punch well above their weight.
I disagree, it was a requirement to include schematics into the package, who was going to repair it is another question. You exaggerate and idealize, make it sound as if every housewife in the county new how to use a soldering iron. The educated Soviet citizens had to also waste their education time on studying history of the communist party, work of Max, Engels, Lenin and other trash they would never use in life nor the occupation.
@_____.__ Heya @_____.__ , thanks for chiming in and your willingness to share your thoughts. Your comment came across as disingenuous and biased, but I do not believe that was your intention? I feel like my words might have been misunderstood, and so I wanted to clarify a few things. Firstly, I did not mean to come across as being for or against the Soviet Union or subscribing to any political dogma. However since the USSR no longer exists, its relevance to modern politics, economics, and society should be evaluated through historical lens. I am a huge admirer of Soviet history, and I have friends who are from that region. I don't subscribe to Cold War propaganda that demonized the USSR and created false narratives about the country. For example, one of the biggest lies that were perpetuated was that there was a missile gap between the USSR and the US, which implied that the Soviet Union was more advanced in missile capability. This was later revealed to be a falsehood. Moreover, it has been documented through the Freedom of Information Act that the CIA indeed spread many false narratives about the country to influence public opinion. It's interesting how the opening of the USSR's vaults has confirmed many clarifying truths that the Soviets had claimed all along. It's unfortunate that the lies have persisted and are widely regarded as pseudo-truths, which says a lot about how lies can influence people's perception of reality. In modern times it's quite alarming how fake news and misinformation have become so prevalent in our society, that it's often challenging to discern fact from fiction. Thanks again for taking the time to leave a comment, if you would like to discuss further I would be happy to continue the conversation:) (Edited spelling and grammatical errors, however I may still have missed some)
Who tf would even pay 330 bucks for such trash? Like ltt probably made a few grand for this video so they atleast earned something wich covered their initial investment and their employees work but a private person has nothing out of that you would only lose money
Great job on reading the schematics! Fun fact - in the same way that letter "B" is the "V" sound, letter "H" is the "N" sound. Which is why "KH1 and KH2" are actually abbreviates for "KHopka (button) 1 and 2"
@@xXTheoLinuxXx Knopke sounds simultaneously cool and cute. I am not surprised it sounds similar, after all in Russian we borrowed and derived this word from Europe, more precisely the German "knopf", and in Dutch it's "knop". I don't know who borrowed from who in that case. In Russian we actually have another original word for button (pugovitsa), but interestingly we use that one for buttons on clothes, whereas knopka/knopke is for mechanical buttons on various tools and devices. I wonder if your dialect has something similar to this, though it's probably more convenient to just have one word.
@@OHYEAHDUDES quite a few loanwords are from the Peter the Great era who lived for some time in Zaandam. He wanted to know everything about building ships and back in the day the most common 'language' at those places was lower saxon (because there were Germans too). After Peter left he sended shipbuilders and carpenters to the 'werf' (also a loanword) to learn even more things. By the time they got back to Russia they introduced a few words :) Our shirtbuttons are not that different compared with knop, we call them knoop or knoopke in dialect.
I still remember 18 years ago a friend of mine was owning literally everyone with his ball mause in fpses like Call of duty 2. Obviously his mouse was not from soviet era, but still... he was much better than guys with razer mouses and was laughing when people were bragging about their mouses on chat, and he was still owning them like small kids. It was beautiful. Greetings Juraz!
This is really the content you can't find anywhere else! Who else is going to have the ability to draw on the expertise of an entire lab and the jank to try to get a forty-year-old mouse to work, and the presentation skill to make it all interesting to watch?
tbf, this wasnt the most demanding job. the buttons where, as he said, just reading the voltage and simulating a mouseclick via the USBHID the Pico is pretending to be. The pinout in the manual did most of the actual trial and error. and movement really only required them to figure out that it needs to be reset/set to 0 everytime you moved(which he also said) anyone with a bit of knowledge in coding for a pico or arduino would be able to do the same, altough maybe taking a bit longer like dont get me wrong, its a nice video, and neat they did it, but it really isnt a "only someone with an entire lab worth of people could do this" this isnt a lot more complicated then making your own button box for a flight simulator from scratch using an arduino or rasperry pico
it litteraly would.... they litteraly had a whole joke about "someone else was gonna do it then they realized they have the lab who can do the same stuff, but faster"@@BooleanDev
Learning electronics is one thing but Soviet electronics is in another world lol I bought an old Soviet era guitar (Czech actually but the electronics were Russian) and the pickups didn’t work right and I had to take it to 2 different guitar techs to at least get sound out of it, the pickups work but the switches and selectors don’t sadly
Yeah it really makes you realize just how important standards are. When electronics don't speak the types of signals, voltages, etc. that the rest of the world does it makes it so much harder to adapt to
"we have plastic moulding technology but we didn't have the technology of what shape is an actual human hand?" Soviet ergonomics were usually somewhat of an afterthought I think.
Bravo LTT and Labs team for doing so much research and work and not giving up just because this is a "silly" vid. This is the kind of content I started watching for, deep dives into something totally obscure. Where else would we get to see this kind of weird stuff?
guys forgot to explain if the mouse has equivalent of infinite or "max" 4.5khz "sensor framerate(fps)" +/ 4.5khz capable MCU (io chip to computer..?). i wouldn''t bother mentioning this if comments elsewhere start to diss logitech 2khz.
With how many Russian-speaking viewers you have (yours truly included), I'm surprised you didn't just ask someone to translate the manual. Though, understandably, it does make for a somewhat funnier video if the host goes "oh no undecipherable communist runes what are we gonna do".
@@quidnunc01i have used that and it is super unreliable even for properly formatted text. When you finally manage to get detecting the text it just goves you the most non sensical translation
@@nicolausteslaus No, it wasn't. If the USSR was a LGBT paradise, none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. In fact, it's the countries that embrace Western values that are becoming more LGBT friendly while countries that still stick to their Soviet past (Belarus, Russia, Armenia, et cetera) are becoming far more hostile toward the LGBT community.
@@thedoctor3996 >none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. ahahah, what a dumb argument. Russia used to be a communist country, now more than 90% of its population is anticommunist.
Windows sensitivity setting increases jitteriness. If you reduce it, you could increase hardware sensitivity more and end up with less jitteriness. This is true even for modern mice, if you try using them on highest windows sensitivity setting, despite insane DPIs you will see it skipping 10 pixels, because windows just multiplies the movement instead of actually increasing the DPI
also decreasing the value below 6/11(default) will create a negative acceleration, the default option is a raw input with "enhance pointer precision" option disabled
This might be good for helping the player to make small adjustments in their aim in first person shooters, i'm going to try this myself by turning windows sensitivity down to 3 and put my mouse hardware up.
It's always mind boggling to me when you think about some stuff like this BK-0010. 3Mhz for example sounds like a joke nowadays but when you think about that this still means it clocks freakin' 3.000.000 times a second, this is kinda crazy 😅
The Commodore 64 here in the west I used was only 1Mhz and people do crazy cool stuff with it. Also my next computer Amiga 500 was 7 mhz and that has good looking (4096 colors) and "real" music sounding games.
@@jfolzyeah but I'm pretty sure most of that time is I/O anyways, where the CPU can't really do anything even if it wanted to. Like loading OS components into memory. Though my Linux laptop boots up really fast, it could just be a Windows thing
@@jfolz Because cycle speed and amount of work done during a cycle are completely different things. Similar to a car engine at 10,000 RPM. With high gearing, a car running at 10,000 RPM in first gear could go, say, 50MPH, but add a double reduction transfer case and suddenly that 10,000 RPM is less than 5 MPH. Very simple analogy, but yeah, it all depends on the system as a whole. Plus, modern computers are loading a LOT more big-brother style phone-home software when they boot than the old ones were.
@@tommiaijala2732 Yeah, back then the Mhz had much more meaning than currently does. I too had a c64, then A500's, an a600 (first time using a hdd, iirc a 20mb) , and finally an a1200 with an '060 add-in board. The coders were really amazing at pushing every erg out of those machines. Demo scene doing 64kb bootblock demos, Spaceballs with their State of the Art's, aswell as the audio stuff. Good times.
Oh it's such a bummer I'm not on the LTT team! I could've translated all of that stuff, the soviet era electronics are really an amazing piece of history!
Wow, Soviets had to be really a decades in front of us, as a Czech, I saw computer with actual mouse for the first time probably around year 2000. 😀 Full electrical schematics was something completely normal even for western products in the past, it's sad that they don't do that anymore, even my grandma's old SONY TV had that. BTW, this shape is actually better than what most of modern mice have.
It's true, at some point USSR had the most advanced computers in the world with it's own unique software and algorithms, that actually should be obvious because all of the Soviets breakthroughs in space programs, satellites, rockets, nuclear industry, physics, chemistry etc. Unfortunately, not everyone in Moscow was a fan of computers and robotics, so a lot of stuff were underfunded and then after collapse of USSR everyone related moved to Asia, Europe, US, everything was ruined, stolen, sold to foreign to companies like Intel.
@@J0rdan912 Reality is everything in 80's were underfunded. Booming 60's long gone when the price of the oil were high and our governement literally exploited our western neighbours. Still I have to give huge props to the guys in a lab rooms able to either reverse engineer something from the west or come up with their own robust design.
@@Eridelm I mean computers and robotics are exactly what was underfunded in USSR because almost every Soviet government was focused on "real" industry and manufacturing, so when they realized that electronics became outdated and underfunded, it was too late as many engineers and programmers started leaving USSR in 80s and imported stuff captured almost every customer and industrial group as borders and import became less restricted. I'm not sure what you mean by exploiting western neighbors, because they were completely dependent from Soviet funding just like now from EU funding. I personally know only one case, Latvia was some kinda western showcase of Soviet vehicular and home electronics. If it considered to be "exploiting", then I'm happy for them now since there is nothing left and apparently they are totally not exploited by EU.
In 95 displays were most comonly 640x480 or 800x600. Which both is likely higher than was available when this mouse came out and possibly soviet did not even have that good displays. But regardless, a modern 1440p (which i'm guessing that is) will need more pixel moved per cycle than a old junker so If you brought a 640x480 display the mouse would feel a lot better speed wise without being jittery. Like...I grew up with mice at around 800dpi when 1080p was just becoming the norm.....now I use around 3000 at 1440p. Expectation of how mice move have changed a lot
for any subjects in the USSR, there has always been an extended instruction, complete with the subject. For example, there were whole books with diagrams and detailed technical documentation for cars and machines. A detailed electronic schematic diagram was necessarily attached to televisions and other electronic devices. Everything was done so that you could assemble the device from scratch, on your own, and set it up to work. Here's a good example for you: a VAZ Niva car. This machine can be repaired in the Siberian taiga with a stone and a wooden baton, all liquid conductors are sealed with wood resin or clay. And at the same time, it also included schematics of all components and assemblies.
1:05 You have a typo here it's not UKV it's UVK. And i don't know about UVK-01, in the warranty card it's just says: устройство ввода координатное УВК, no -01 just UVK. And it's not called Mars it's called Марсианка with means Martian (in feminine form). MARS is the name of the factory manufacturer ФГУП МОКБ «Марс» with is still in buisness to this day. Now they make electronics for spacecrafts or something idk.
This guy is right, it’s marsianka translate to ‘’Martian’’ and also model is UVK. Not sure about the number.. but I know there are different version like the UVK-09.
What Labs did, this is literally my world! I like it really and hope they do more in these directions! (Very)old Hardware are simple, so It's easy to do a converter, like with the Micro Pi.
As a person born and raised in Russia, I am very glad that you (techno and not quite techno bloggers) review things from the USSR and Russia of the 90s.Thank you for being interested in things not only from the USA, Mexico, or some other countries.
"A surprising number of folks were able to sound out the letters" Cyrillic is very easy to understand. Russian is quite hard but a lot of words are same as english
You actually did it! A full, complete video with demonstrations and you got the thing working. This feels like a huge step up from your linus rush tips era.
@@LinusTechTips fascinating. In comparison to the recent weird fpga chip video that I felt like you stopped too soon and didn't even run anything on it and felt anticlimactic, to this full comprehensive showcase feels night and day.
What an interesting solution by the labs team of using a pico to translate the pins into modern USB compatible signal. I loved tinkering with the pico in a couple electronics and microcontroller courses I had in school.
The change in the tone of the content is amazing. Its probably just placebo but it seems like the change in pace has had a very positive effect on the videos.
As an recent graduate in Computer Engineering this video was really cool to see the process the professional world would use to solve problems with software and hardware!? I would love to see even blog style videos even if not fully edited to the same standard as LTT main videos, explaining what they did to solve problems like this. Maybe even stuff for float plane. This provided good context and value for engineering and could see a lot of potential in diving into the shallower (deeper waters) of what was done to achieve this!
The review was very interesting, and by the way I don't think the mouse is slow if we go by the monitors of the time and their resolution, it is quite normal speed.
Very similar to how Amiga/AtariST mouse interface works. One step up from putting simple buffered output from the encoders on the wire, but one step removed from some kind of serial encoding.
I like the insight into the troubleshooting process in the labs. This would be super helpful for anyone trying to get an old mouse to run like this in the future.
I wonder maybe they could have a labs channel to just do this.... it'd be a purely technical channel. no spicing it up for the commons, just pure nerd technical presentation of things... It might be a money burn, but it's just documentation essentially... tho they did say they are pausing the new channel projects...
Great video Linus+team, I really appreciate the lengths that you went to with this to get the mouse working and it's really incredible to see it in action on modern hardware. I'm really liking your new revamped content
@@inspector5122Yugo was a Jugoslavian car, not a Soviet vehicle, hence the name Yugo. Jugoslavia was a union of slavic countries, but completely different ones from the USSR. It was (and it is) a great country 💙🤍❤️
As to the mouse: You might need a small cach that gets all the instructions, and resets(if that's what's needed) so that bassically the mouse sends all it's instructions to the chache the cache sends that to your processor, and resets, effectively give the mouse and pico a some amount of lead time to process. Just a guess.
Linus, x, -x, y and -y stands for coordination on a coordinate axis. You can just take 0 as a center of the monitor. Then, x+ means you go to right (in the positive direction), y+ means upwords in the positive direction. The same with the -x and -y (but in the negative directions). Or you can just pick 0 as the most left and down pixel of the monitor and don’t use the -x and -y to make things simpler. Just tell the raspberry pi to interpret coordinates from the mouse to the monitor. Mb it will help with the jitterness and skipping pixels on high accelerations.
“We bought a Soviet era gaming mouse” should have been the title
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do not resist
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I love how they're using a Pi Pico, a VASTLY more powerful system than the whole original computer this mouse was designed for, just to translate the serial signal :D
LOL well having to slow down the clock speed of their hardware to, I wouldn't be surprised if that's one issue as well. Full emulators (hillarously) like need to slow waaaay down so games aren't going at mach20
@@Lord_zeelcrazy right! Imagine being laughed at for having a 4090 in a few years for example... just crazy!!
Some current mouse models themselves have more processing power than the original computer this mouse was designed for.
@@mycosys You cannot really compare physical layer frequency with CPU operating frequency. IO protocols are usually implemented up to the transport layer using IO controllers, which are dedicated circuits and logic made to just handle the IO. In theory a USB2 controller addon could be made for the BK-0010 which would allow it to reliably maintain a full speed USB2 connection, even if the processor would not be fast enough to maintain the full potential data transfer rate the connection offers over an extended period. Since a USB mouse uses nowhere near the ~1.5 MB/sec that USB2 connections offer, it is likely that a BK-0010 would be able to use such a USB controller for input from a modern USB mouse, or to act as a modern USB mouse recognised by a modern computer.
There are several Apple 1 clones on the market for hobbyists nowadays. The one that's 100% chip-by-chip duplicate is crazy expensive, if you can even find those chips that's long went out of production. Most other clones replaced the unobtainium display chip with a micro-controller, which many people pointed out is many times more powerful than the entire computer lol
WRT schematics. It was actually common in USSR to get very extensive manual with any piece of tech. Including full schematics for TVs, sound amplifiers, vinyl players, etc. You could use it to repair device yourself or at the very least help a repair shop if you had an uncommon device
i agree its bad this trend went away
communism can be good
That was also common in the US up through about the 1950s. Most old tube electronics (prior to transistors) have a schematic glued to the inside of the chassis. There were also printed periodicals that were meant for the repair trade which would contain advanced schematics and repair guides for any new products that came out since the last issue. Those were done by a third party however. Most electronic repair shops would have a huge bookshelf full of the books as well as special index books that would let you know which issue to look in to find the device you wanted to repair.
In USSR Right to Repair was Responsibility to Repair. From radios to Lada.
@@dXXPacmanXXb It's actually just a military standard. In the USSR, all production facilities were built for military needs. Even civilian goods were made to military production standards
In Soviet Union including full schematics in the manual was the thing. They always did that and even for very complex stuff, like TVs or vinyl/cassette/radio sets (those were huge, and their schematics too).
yes that was interesting thing about USSR - people was technically more advanced than today, there was science magazines with some electronic schemes, so people can buy spare parts (plates, semiconductors etc) and make things on their own. Back to 1980th there was a cult of technology and engineering. It's actually real reason why among Russian engineers so many Soviet patriots - bald fat drunk guys in USSR t-shirts was a guys who grow up on magazines like Young Technician'84
Last thing was a blower
Именно так!! :)
I think that was the norm all over the world, even American TVs came with schematics until maybe early 1980s. Even into maybe mid 2000s you could e-mail Panasonic and get schematics for their products. Not sure if that's still a thing, though.
Then corporations were worried about the maintainability of their equipment...
Imagine if modern electronics came with schematics.
We can only dream :(
the schematic will be the size of a very very detailed world map
Yes, it was very usual thing for soviet electronics. As a child, I had a computer "Дельта-С" (Delta-S) - ZX Spectrum clone. The instruction contained even modification schemes for connecting to incompatible TVs.
@@davidphillips5677 Depends on the level of abstraction.
Most large appliances come with a service manual hidden inside somewhere. My top load washer was simply taped to the inside wall underneath, my microwave one was hidden behind the keypad, my parents front load dryer was behind the front panel.
While this mouse may have been slow, remember that it was designed for systems with a far lower resolution, notably:
High-resolution mode: 512x256 pixels, monochrome.
Low-resolution mode: 256x256 pixels, 4 colors.
So this would have been more than sufficient for something effectively 4 to 8 times lower in resolution.
The fact they not only reverse engineered something almost 40 years old but also in an entirely different language, a testament to the LTT Labs Team and I really enjoyed this video.
Further more, mouse navigation in command line-like interface was based on character grid, which could have been something like 50x30
another great product that they missjudge j.k.
@@Vin-Drossel Нет, Сталкер ТЧ ))))
It's because unlike gamer's nexus or hardware unboxed we at ltt labs run new tests every time
@@nikolaikozlovski2654 There was no text mode in БК0010-01. Text characters were drawn by system procedures into screen memory in graphical mode using stensils in ROM. Nevertheless, they made scrolling faster than of IBM PC of the time in text mode.
I was a kid in the USSR in the 80s and my family was one of the few lucky enough to have a home PCs. Seeing this mouse again brought back so many memories. Thanks Linus.
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what year did your family got pc?
For a sec I thought you said you where lucky to have a house
@fail22737 today that is more rare than having the pc lmao
How expensive was it? Compared to say buying a new car.
"KH1" and "КН2" are actually "KN1" and "KN2", cause "KN" is just a short for "knopka" (button in russian).
It is also not just a "Martian" (that means "female martian" or "male martian" depending on a context), but clearly a "female martian" ("marsianka" as it sounds in russian).
yes, its name is "martian girl" actually
but thats also because the Gender of the "mouse" noun in Russian is female
Правильно товарищ ,))
Это просто "MARS", как планета
@@dreaanon1460Марс-мужской род, мышь-женский род, все прощально просто!
This was actually much cooler than just an "Oh look old tech" piece. Those are cool too, but the labs integration and making it work with modern equipment was super interesting, though it would have been nice to maybe get even more of an explanation of some more of their approach to getting it working.
Ditto
I think they just hooked up osciloscopes to all of the pins and moved the mouse around
a 15usd translator from fiverrr could have been 110% extra explanation instead of this "foreign forbidden language nobody knows" thing, is russian ffs, not some alien language
@@f3rny_66 Or google lens which literally translates anything you point your phone camera at
@@ThePrimePrimeryes but the accuracy, especially when talking tech might not be up to par but they actually did translate their websites they visited so that counts for something i guess
Now let's make Linus get a Soviet PC and use it as his main for a week.
Diesel fuel bill will break them/
It wasn't even good enough in the 80s
Only games installed are Tetris and Global Thermonuclear War
@@Arbiter099 oh thats cool ! classic tetris
Better to make him use it for the rest of his life. Even that will not be punishment enough for such content.
КН1 is spelled as "K-N-1" :) H stands for N sound in Cyrillic languages. Here it is an abbreviation for "кнопка 1" ([kn'opka od'in]) which is just "button one"
Same root as "knob" btw
@@FodrMichalych Interesting, because "button" is also "knopf" in german. Seems like english is the weird one
And button is "knapp" in swedish
@@nighteule in french it's "bouton" so i guess it's the latin influence acting here, whereas other anglo-germanic / slavic languages kept the other root
@@neomorphosallomorphis7395 English is actually a slightly deformed child of German and French. There's a lot of influence from both families. For example, mouse is "maus" in German and "souris" in French.
150 rubles???? This is an absolutely insane price by the standards of the time! I don't know which conversion method did the seller use to arrive at 350 usd, but 150 rubles was an average monthly salary in the late 80s USSR, so it would probably be closer to a couple thousand dollars than just $350.
Salary was 200 rubles. $350 is almost an average monthly salary in Russia (in most regions) nowdays. So everything is right
Вообще должен быть ценник на самом изделии
150 рублей - минимальная зарплата в конце 80-х.
Ну да, замечание верное, з/п действительно около 200 была, я больше по памяти родителей ориентировался (у них была ближе к 150). Но один хрен, 150 советских за мышь это ну как минимум раз в пять больше, чем 350 американских сегодня. Другое дело что наверняка купить в розницу было невозможно и ценник был для закупки предприятиями, поэтому ориентироваться надо скорее по ценам черного рынка, а там поди узнай, сколько за нее просили барыги.
lol. Couple of thousands dollars it was price of the car in us 1985. 150 rubles was 1/50 fraction of the price of much simplier car in ussr in 1985.
Keep in mind that back when this mouse was created, the most common resolution was 320 or 640, the speed of the mouse relative to the resolution back then is very good.
Try using 600 or 800 dpi mouse on 1440/4K screens. It feels insanely slow. I have 4K screen and my mouse is set to 6000DPI.
I use 400 dpi on 1440p 😬
BK-0010 had 256*256 pixel screen )))
How does this have so many likes, 800 dpi doesn't feel "insanely slow". I've been using 800dpi on 1080p + 1440p for a decade.
yall are insane, 6000 dpi...
im better at 900 dpi
@@marsamune5592 oh it does, you've probably bumped the accelerator near the end of the slider, but at this point you have no mouse precision since the movement is software calculated by simple multiplication.
If your screen resolution was 1920x1200 and your mouse was capable of a maximum DPI of 600, you'd have to move your mouse two inches to get from the bottom of the screen to the top. If your mouse used a DPI of 1200, it would only take one inch to make the same movement on the screen. For 4K resolution multiply the necessary distance to move the mouse by x2
Therefore higher mouse DPI allows you to move faster on the screen with less mouse movement. Higher resolution displays may require higher sensitivity or higher mouse DPI to attain the same amount of on-screen movement, or one would need a ridiculously large mouse-pad.
I don't know if this video was recorded before the hiatus, but honestly it felt much more satisfying to watch because of one thing: it is a very comprehensive, detailed investigation about how this mouse works and how to adapt the signals to modern USB. Most other videos were you find hard problems to solve such as this one usually felt unfinished because they gave up. And I felt that on a couple of videos. I am glad that you guys took the time to make the mouse actually working, I watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up when a problem arose regarding, in this case, translating the signals that this mouse outputs to USB.
Summing up, good work!
It was filmed before. I just heard him say that on the wan show
whats the point of this comment after you figured that it makes no sense anymore?
u must feel great judging like this, "i watched the video with my fingers crossed so that you would keep investigating and not gave up..." mann idk if it's just me but this shiet sounds funny
They'd always said that they weren't satisfied with the way things were before the hiatus either and that they were working to improve things. This was I think always Linus's vision for LMG - being more comprehensive without being boring but he was just tied up with all the business stuff (hence the CEO).
@@sategllib2191 I bet there's at least a month of "extras" to burn before we see the new ones...
5:13 The electronics circuit was in almost every instruction for any Soviet technology
So that Soviet children from childhood begin to become interested in electronics and help the Soviet Union with new technologies, or so that there are always workers
It was because, you couldn't buy a new one. So you had to fix it by yourself. Also it usually had been aufull quality. But you have a nice catch)
@@shinigamineko333 а, ну кстати да)
Все было дорогое тогда, а если и были деньги, то надо было найти ещё место где их купить можно
@@NIMKAOriginalВсе было нормальным тогда по цене,только купить было проблема, спасибо США за санкции. В СССР все было лучше и эффективней чем в США даже своя система написания кода на других принципах но к сожалению это было разрушено. Но ничего мы это восстановим и разрушим США за убийство миллионов людей в России в 90-х.
@@IvoryStan СССР не сильно то и хотел от санкций избавляться
Да и СССР намного сильней отставал от США лет на 50.
Людям в СССР было нормально только потому что они не знали что на западе творилось, а ведь те кто с СССР на запад переехал не сразу хотели возвращаться обратно
@@IvoryStanэто сарказм?😅 Не пугай их, они и так напуганы)
А большинство даже не понимают(не хотят понимать?) что делала и продолжает делать их страна.
That mouse, the box... everything about it is just freggin awesome. Hope you guys preserve it.
It could be interesting to know that while technically it could be translated as "the Martian", the "marsianka" in Russian actually means "the martian woman"
Or is mouse feminine?
Mouse is feminine in Russian.
And Марсианка is indeed "The Martian woman" or "The woman from mars"
Yeah but since mouse isn't feminine in English, it's perfectly fine to translate it as "The Martian"@@snake_on_a_train
@@ikbintom both are.
@Kamey03 well, as my understanding goes "the martian" in English is gender neutral, right? In Russian there are almost no gender neutral nouns, so there is either marsianin for male, or marsianka for female.
Also while the mouse is indeed feminine, "coordinate input device" is masculine.
Either way, "the martian woman" sounds kinda stupid as a product name, so I wouldn't translate it that way:). I just mentioned a potentially interesting fact.
Are you kidding me? A PDP-11 compatible home computer? Can it run BSD or UNIX? That's badass. Can't believe I never heard of it.
would be cool seeing a soviet home computer running bsd lol
@@lettuce7378 as far as I know, the Interactive Unified Mobile Operating System(DEMOS) was based on BSD, so actually some Soviet home PC's could run BSD. There was also an INMOS that was UNIX-based.
Also, according to a wikipedia, the PDP-11 was able to run DEMOS and INMOS.
@@lettuce7378OUR source code.
@@lettuce7378 there was a Soviet BSD-based OS, ДЕМОС/DEMOS
No, it can't. It's not 100% PDP-compatible, instruction set a little bit different, and it was roughly copied by USSR for some strange bureaucratic reasons.
It had an impressive list of software tho (C, Forth, Basic, FOCAL and even about 800 games), but not a single real OS. Some models even had some LAN functionality, we used them in our class where I received my first programming lessons in the late 80's. Wikipedia article “Electronika BK” about this device is quite good, can recommend it.
Dank Pods did a video on old Soviet headphones a while back and most if not all of them came with some kind of schematic in the box. Makes me think that this sort of thing was the norm for Soviet electrical goods, which is very cool if that was the case.
It was because many people back then we're able to read these schematics and had experience in soldering. Also it's just a requirement for documentation equipment. We had also schematics sticked to the backside of the thing.
Yes, there was several reasons for that: bad quality, high price (so you will not just go and buy another one) and things were expected to be fixed and last as long as they could as soviet economics could not produce enough
@@olegpereverzev5015nope it was common everywhere and in USA too
Yes, a schematics diagram was a common thing.
@@olegpereverzev5015 they were made to last forever because socialism doesn't require planned obsolescence
3:40 - You are wrong about price and currency converting. This mouse was produced in late 80-s or early 90-s(1989-1994), because price on the bottom written with lacquer(not plastic stamped), that because of money inflation in USSR/Russia. Version produсed in 1986 will cost 10 RUB, your mouse is 150 RUB. 10 RUB then and 150 RUB later was the same price ~20-30$ in modern prices.
Im a russian and i have pretty much to say. There was no much difference between salaries from other jobs in USSR. You will get around 100 rub per month and htat included free medical care in many jobs. Prices on bread, milk and others was so low, that you have to stay in queue for 2 hours just to make it to the shop. It was nearly impossible to mass import from other countries Ofc USSR got some remakes of other items. So that's why you can see that video
@BoraHorzaGobuchul Okay, maybe you know better 😂
My uncle in 1987 bought a whole PC with a monitor for 2-3 monthly salaries. By parts. It was around 1200 Rub.
He was a tractor driver. Monthly income was 400-800 rub.
PC in US cost in that's time ~2000-5000$.
I remember looking through my grandfathers box filled with old tech, and I saw this mouse, I asked him what it was and he explained everything to me, he even showed me how it worked after setting up his old machine! Great memories.
Cool, he still had his old computer to show you?
Yep! Not sure where it is right now though, if I ever visit him again I'll take a vid of it and how it works n such
@@memberofsociety1 hey, just to let you know that there is still someone waiting for a video from you :)
@@giangnhu9905 hey, haven't gotten a chance to visit him yet, as he lives very far away from me, but thanks for reminding me!
The Soviet encouraged the "right to repair" so many years ago..
You did not just have the right to repair it. You needed to repair it every once in a while because bue to scarcity you never knew if you will manage to buy another one.
Aha that's why USA doesn't like you fixing your bought devices because that would be Soviet 🤔🤣🤣🤣
All intellectual property was owned by the people. I'm guessing that they published the schematics for that reason.
This is not a right, it’s an obligation! 😂
i mean yeah, every device you repair is a device that doesnt need to be produced again.
As someone going to school for ECE, the process of figuring out the pinouts, and then deciphering the signals in order to use the mouse on a modern machine was definitely one of the most interesting things I've seen from this channel. It'd be cool if there were Labs specific videos where we get to see them work these types of problems out, and we could see the process in greater detail.
yeah i like the more intracite breakdown of it
Oh my god, thank you for the trip down the Soviet memory lane, Linus! БК-0010 were the computers that we had in our school!
This is pretty unique content. Not many channels have a team of engineers with the skills to make this work in a couple days.
Well, mostly it just takes a single retro computing or EE youtuber like @TechTangents or @bitluni and the likes.
Not saying this wasn't good work at LTT, I'm just subscribed to more channels where this is the norm.
I mean, it's really not that complicated, they had all of the schematics, they even found all of the datasheet that they needed, while also having osciloscopes and the like.
And like the other guy said, there are other retro youtubers
@@malaista his point was the turn around time.
Neither of the channels mentioned, I also watch, do things in 30 minutes to a couple of hours.
Neither of them do any soviet era translation videos with soviet IC schematic sources, that I've seen anyway.
You need to make a case for the pico with usb connector, a glass window, and a plug for the mouse. Then you can just show it off at LTX or a LAN party. Make it like who can get the best high score using a Soviet mouse. In soviet russia mouse plays you!
This is exactly the type of content LTT excels at and that I want to see on the channel... Couldn't care less about how many FPS the latest Nividia GPU can run at
@@Lord_zeel sure, but there's already a ton of other content creators that do it. Obviously, once the Labs team has hit their stride, LTT might be able to bring something new and interesting to hardware reviews though
@@felixbelanger2659 but I still feel like having more creators doing that and calling out flaws and the like will put more pressure on the companies building the products. Also, people may come to different conclusions and look at these things differently. I'm happily watching three reviews of the same product to either validate my gut feeling or just finding out if one of the reviews may be wrong or something.
Just have more variety. It's also about who you can listen to best and who displays information best as well as the length of such videos.
Not going to work, we are vastly different audience, yes there are overlaps. But most gamers won't even know how to use a microcontroller interrupt or code a software interrupt.
@@Sabrinahuskydog Can you name a notable example? I don't watch LTT much but I'm actually kinda surprised that their hardware reviews would contain "so much misinformation" as you said.
Typical dad gamer
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@SovietUnion-Dfag1 да!
americans wouldn't understand!
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Even just the name of the mouse is dripping with Soviet vibes "Mars UKV-01 Coordinate Input Device"
Device of input coordinational is what УВК stands for
I love how you use your team in this video. Imagine how many more creative and or crazy things you can do
6:14 - КН stands for "Кнопка" ("Knopka"), meaning "Button"
It will be like "BT1" and "BT2".
Oh good
Господи, где он такой раритет откопал) Впервые вижу подобное творение сумрачного гения советской инженерии.
Он чекнутый )))
Оусом) 😂
скорее всего этот динозавр делался на экспорт в соцлагерь и скорее всего это копия какого нибудь hp или apple
на eBay
@@Bnder42 наебай точнее за 350 бакинских это верх наебай!
Its not his mouse, its OUR mouse
I was waiting for this comment😂
Our PC
I understand that this is a joke. But in the USSR, private and public property was divided. There was no right to have means of production that brought profit. But it 's okay to have personal belongings , including computers
@@Misimpaand pc stands for "public computer"😅
@@nasha710 this made me laugh so hard god damnit 🤣
I remember having this exact mouse as a child. It was always so awkward to use.
Побоюсь спросить, сколько Вам лет?
@@computergroup1 Мне 23. У моего отца было много старых компьютеров.
@@Ryadovoy_Borodin"Я 23"?😂 Are you sure you are not lying?
Мне 37, но эту древнючесть уже не застал :D
@@trider_12 Russian is not my first language, but my father was Soviet. I apologise for not being too good at speaking it yet.
The fact that the video started WITH the thumbnail and continued on from there is actually super amazing and did NOT go unnoticed. Please keep doing that it’s a really cool effect. I wish everybody did that.
Спасибо за видео, было очень интересно посмотреть на "технологии предков"😊
Next video : I bought a ww1 gaming mouse
Would be fkn awesome to make a ww1 or ww2 inspired setup that could be so sick
@@jonteboimakesgames *slaps roof of computer tower* "Old Ironsides can fit so many grand strategy games in it"
I bought Jesus’s G pro superlight
@@JScott-lg4jb😂😂
just use a lot of barbed wire
молодцы ребята. не просто обзор, а целое воскрешение из небытия
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@@katya6301
Прям раритет откопали
@@EvgeN_NeroN лучше бы не откапывали такое ужас...
@@SiMBi0ZZAвот-вот, в Китае изготовили, а у нас как обычно шильдик наклеят и радуются. Тьфу. Лучше бы вообще не делали.
@5:13 The reason Soviet electronics came with electrical schematics, is so the purchaser could repair the component themselves rather than spend money on a new one or pay the purchase price or more for repair.
Most Soviet educated citizens by this era were well educated, and we can still find soviet educated doctors, professiors and the like working world wide on their Soviet education credentials.
One of my surgeons and mt regular GP are both soviet educated, one for Kazakhstan, the other from Georgia. They are fantastic and punch well above their weight.
I disagree, it was a requirement to include schematics into the package, who was going to repair it is another question. You exaggerate and idealize, make it sound as if every housewife in the county new how to use a soldering iron. The educated Soviet citizens had to also waste their education time on studying history of the communist party, work of Max, Engels, Lenin and other trash they would never use in life nor the occupation.
@_____.__ Heya @_____.__ , thanks for chiming in and your willingness to share your thoughts.
Your comment came across as disingenuous and biased, but I do not believe that was your intention?
I feel like my words might have been misunderstood, and so I wanted to clarify a few things. Firstly, I did not mean to come across as being for or against the Soviet Union or subscribing to any political dogma. However since the USSR no longer exists, its relevance to modern politics, economics, and society should be evaluated through historical lens.
I am a huge admirer of Soviet history, and I have friends who are from that region. I don't subscribe to Cold War propaganda that demonized the USSR and created false narratives about the country. For example, one of the biggest lies that were perpetuated was that there was a missile gap between the USSR and the US, which implied that the Soviet Union was more advanced in missile capability. This was later revealed to be a falsehood.
Moreover, it has been documented through the Freedom of Information Act that the CIA indeed spread many false narratives about the country to influence public opinion. It's interesting how the opening of the USSR's vaults has confirmed many clarifying truths that the Soviets had claimed all along. It's unfortunate that the lies have persisted and are widely regarded as pseudo-truths, which says a lot about how lies can influence people's perception of reality.
In modern times it's quite alarming how fake news and misinformation have become so prevalent in our society, that it's often challenging to discern fact from fiction.
Thanks again for taking the time to leave a comment, if you would like to discuss further I would be happy to continue the conversation:)
(Edited spelling and grammatical errors, however I may still have missed some)
@_____.__ Might you have a reply friend?
Я русский мне 45 лет и я впервые вижу такую мышку, занимаюсь компьютерами с 12 лет.Была только uvk-01
Nice video. I enjoyed the time taken to explain how they got it working, even tslking about the circuit diagrams and the process.
Yeah for real. Really enjoyable content. Good stuff Linus/writers!
I hope that your lab releases the pico code and schemas to public so that not everyone has to go through the same suffering who is interested in this.
To go through the suffering is the only rewarding thing in this whole process to be honest
@@Cloudstreet eventually and soon^tm
Who tf would even pay 330 bucks for such trash? Like ltt probably made a few grand for this video so they atleast earned something wich covered their initial investment and their employees work but a private person has nothing out of that you would only lose money
@@Stiegelzeine clearly not understanding how a market works.
@@Stiegelzeine people who are interested in retro tech, tinkering and preservation of such gadgets
Great job on reading the schematics! Fun fact - in the same way that letter "B" is the "V" sound, letter "H" is the "N" sound. Which is why "KH1 and KH2" are actually abbreviates for "KHopka (button) 1 and 2"
KHopka (with the N sound) doesn't that much differ from my lower saxon dutch dialect name for it 'Knopke' :)
@@xXTheoLinuxXx Knopke sounds simultaneously cool and cute. I am not surprised it sounds similar, after all in Russian we borrowed and derived this word from Europe, more precisely the German "knopf", and in Dutch it's "knop". I don't know who borrowed from who in that case. In Russian we actually have another original word for button (pugovitsa), but interestingly we use that one for buttons on clothes, whereas knopka/knopke is for mechanical buttons on various tools and devices. I wonder if your dialect has something similar to this, though it's probably more convenient to just have one word.
@@OHYEAHDUDES quite a few loanwords are from the Peter the Great era who lived for some time in Zaandam. He wanted to know everything about building ships and back in the day the most common 'language' at those places was lower saxon (because there were Germans too). After Peter left he sended shipbuilders and carpenters to the 'werf' (also a loanword) to learn even more things. By the time they got back to Russia they introduced a few words :) Our shirtbuttons are not that different compared with knop, we call them knoop or knoopke in dialect.
@@xXTheoLinuxXx yea, Russian language took this word from Germanic languages
MbIWb
I still remember 18 years ago a friend of mine was owning literally everyone with his ball mause in fpses like Call of duty 2. Obviously his mouse was not from soviet era, but still... he was much better than guys with razer mouses and was laughing when people were bragging about their mouses on chat, and he was still owning them like small kids. It was beautiful. Greetings Juraz!
This is really the content you can't find anywhere else! Who else is going to have the ability to draw on the expertise of an entire lab and the jank to try to get a forty-year-old mouse to work, and the presentation skill to make it all interesting to watch?
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tbf, this wasnt the most demanding job.
the buttons where, as he said, just reading the voltage and simulating a mouseclick via the USBHID the Pico is pretending to be.
The pinout in the manual did most of the actual trial and error.
and movement really only required them to figure out that it needs to be reset/set to 0 everytime you moved(which he also said)
anyone with a bit of knowledge in coding for a pico or arduino would be able to do the same, altough maybe taking a bit longer
like dont get me wrong, its a nice video, and neat they did it, but it really isnt a "only someone with an entire lab worth of people could do this" this isnt a lot more complicated then making your own button box for a flight simulator from scratch using an arduino or rasperry pico
Curious Mark probably
@@weberman173fact is, this video wouldnt exist without the lab, that was the point
it litteraly would.... they litteraly had a whole joke about "someone else was gonna do it then they realized they have the lab who can do the same stuff, but faster"@@BooleanDev
Learning electronics is one thing but Soviet electronics is in another world lol
I bought an old Soviet era guitar (Czech actually but the electronics were Russian) and the pickups didn’t work right and I had to take it to 2 different guitar techs to at least get sound out of it, the pickups work but the switches and selectors don’t sadly
Yeah it really makes you realize just how important standards are. When electronics don't speak the types of signals, voltages, etc. that the rest of the world does it makes it so much harder to adapt to
@@dhkatz_ Preferably open standards that countries aren't kept out of simply for having a different political system
6:43 "In Soviet Russia, Google searches you! (Just like everywhere)"
😂🤣
"we have plastic moulding technology but we didn't have the technology of what shape is an actual human hand?"
Soviet ergonomics were usually somewhat of an afterthought I think.
Bravo LTT and Labs team for doing so much research and work and not giving up just because this is a "silly" vid. This is the kind of content I started watching for, deep dives into something totally obscure. Where else would we get to see this kind of weird stuff?
Same, I hope this kind of videos stay around. I am glad that it's back.
too bad their blew their reputation
guys forgot to explain if the mouse has equivalent of infinite or "max" 4.5khz "sensor framerate(fps)" +/ 4.5khz capable MCU (io chip to computer..?). i wouldn''t bother mentioning this if comments elsewhere start to diss logitech 2khz.
@@julianhelder8839 this video still gained 1.5 million views
@@julianhelder8839 and their latest video as time of writing has 735k views...
With how many Russian-speaking viewers you have (yours truly included), I'm surprised you didn't just ask someone to translate the manual. Though, understandably, it does make for a somewhat funnier video if the host goes "oh no undecipherable communist runes what are we gonna do".
Or use Google translate? You can just point the camera at text and it will translate in real time whether it's paper or a street sign
@@quidnunc01 true, although while it would probably handle text blocks to a satisfactory degree, it might struggle with the schematics.
@@quidnunc01i have used that and it is super unreliable even for properly formatted text. When you finally manage to get detecting the text it just goves you the most non sensical translation
@@quidnunc01GT won't work with abbreviations.
Я тоже являюсь русскоязычным зрителем их канала. Мне было очень интересно посмотреть данный ролик,как они купили мышку советского времени.
Congratulations comrade Linus, you have made the computer nerds of the world unite.
USSR was a LGBT paradise!
We have nothing to lose but our cables!
@@nicolausteslaus No, it wasn't. If the USSR was a LGBT paradise, none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today. In fact, it's the countries that embrace Western values that are becoming more LGBT friendly while countries that still stick to their Soviet past (Belarus, Russia, Armenia, et cetera) are becoming far more hostile toward the LGBT community.
@@thedoctor3996
>none of the countries that formerly made it up would be anti-LGBT today.
ahahah, what a dumb argument. Russia used to be a communist country, now more than 90% of its population is anticommunist.
@@thedoctor3996 This countries with 'soviet pasts' are not align with the USSR life system, you are doing an asymmetric comparative
Salad Fingers definitely uses a Soviet mouse, is a sentence that has never before been written
Windows sensitivity setting increases jitteriness. If you reduce it, you could increase hardware sensitivity more and end up with less jitteriness. This is true even for modern mice, if you try using them on highest windows sensitivity setting, despite insane DPIs you will see it skipping 10 pixels, because windows just multiplies the movement instead of actually increasing the DPI
also decreasing the value below 6/11(default) will create a negative acceleration, the default option is a raw input with "enhance pointer precision" option disabled
This might be good for helping the player to make small adjustments in their aim in first person shooters, i'm going to try this myself by turning windows sensitivity down to 3 and put my mouse hardware up.
It's always mind boggling to me when you think about some stuff like this BK-0010. 3Mhz for example sounds like a joke nowadays but when you think about that this still means it clocks freakin' 3.000.000 times a second, this is kinda crazy 😅
The Commodore 64 here in the west I used was only 1Mhz and people do crazy cool stuff with it. Also my next computer Amiga 500 was 7 mhz and that has good looking (4096 colors) and "real" music sounding games.
@@jfolzyeah but I'm pretty sure most of that time is I/O anyways, where the CPU can't really do anything even if it wanted to. Like loading OS components into memory. Though my Linux laptop boots up really fast, it could just be a Windows thing
@@jfolz Because cycle speed and amount of work done during a cycle are completely different things. Similar to a car engine at 10,000 RPM. With high gearing, a car running at 10,000 RPM in first gear could go, say, 50MPH, but add a double reduction transfer case and suddenly that 10,000 RPM is less than 5 MPH. Very simple analogy, but yeah, it all depends on the system as a whole. Plus, modern computers are loading a LOT more big-brother style phone-home software when they boot than the old ones were.
@@tommiaijala2732 Yeah, back then the Mhz had much more meaning than currently does. I too had a c64, then A500's, an a600 (first time using a hdd, iirc a 20mb) , and finally an a1200 with an '060 add-in board.
The coders were really amazing at pushing every erg out of those machines. Demo scene doing 64kb bootblock demos, Spaceballs with their State of the Art's, aswell as the audio stuff. Good times.
@@jfolz Get an SSD already xD
Oh it's such a bummer I'm not on the LTT team! I could've translated all of that stuff, the soviet era electronics are really an amazing piece of history!
У них огромная аудитория на канале и не умудрились найти того кто мог бы им перевести все бумаги...
не искали@@RaMZes9722
@@RaMZes9722 я удивлен, что они на форуме своем не спросили походу никого)
@@АндрейВоинов-д3з Ну, подумали что спойлером будет. А так "сюрприз", хоть и кривоватый.
КН - russian letter, K->k and H->n
KH means channel pins, in russian "канал"
Wow, this was one of the most entertaining and educational LTT videos. Also, Labs is legit.
whos account at LTT Labs is this?
Wow, Soviets had to be really a decades in front of us, as a Czech, I saw computer with actual mouse for the first time probably around year 2000. 😀
Full electrical schematics was something completely normal even for western products in the past, it's sad that they don't do that anymore, even my grandma's old SONY TV had that.
BTW, this shape is actually better than what most of modern mice have.
Wow, i thought only in USSR we had e-goods along with schematics.
It's true, at some point USSR had the most advanced computers in the world with it's own unique software and algorithms, that actually should be obvious because all of the Soviets breakthroughs in space programs, satellites, rockets, nuclear industry, physics, chemistry etc. Unfortunately, not everyone in Moscow was a fan of computers and robotics, so a lot of stuff were underfunded and then after collapse of USSR everyone related moved to Asia, Europe, US, everything was ruined, stolen, sold to foreign to companies like Intel.
I still have Commodore C-64 schematics.
@@J0rdan912 Reality is everything in 80's were underfunded. Booming 60's long gone when the price of the oil were high and our governement literally exploited our western neighbours. Still I have to give huge props to the guys in a lab rooms able to either reverse engineer something from the west or come up with their own robust design.
@@Eridelm I mean computers and robotics are exactly what was underfunded in USSR because almost every Soviet government was focused on "real" industry and manufacturing, so when they realized that electronics became outdated and underfunded, it was too late as many engineers and programmers started leaving USSR in 80s and imported stuff captured almost every customer and industrial group as borders and import became less restricted.
I'm not sure what you mean by exploiting western neighbors, because they were completely dependent from Soviet funding just like now from EU funding. I personally know only one case, Latvia was some kinda western showcase of Soviet vehicular and home electronics. If it considered to be "exploiting", then I'm happy for them now since there is nothing left and apparently they are totally not exploited by EU.
Красивая мышка, очень интересное видео, товарищ Линус Технологические Советы
LINUS, My Dude !
I BEG YOU !!!! Teach us Electronics and Electrical Engineering ! Please Dude you're the Best Teacher ever ! 🙏
In 95 displays were most comonly 640x480 or 800x600. Which both is likely higher than was available when this mouse came out and possibly soviet did not even have that good displays. But regardless, a modern 1440p (which i'm guessing that is) will need more pixel moved per cycle than a old junker so If you brought a 640x480 display the mouse would feel a lot better speed wise without being jittery.
Like...I grew up with mice at around 800dpi when 1080p was just becoming the norm.....now I use around 3000 at 1440p. Expectation of how mice move have changed a lot
Yeah I was already thinking that the 4k or even 1080p resolution was obviously too large for the design of this mouse.
I think it's incredible that labs were able to make a piece of history functional again.
It is simpler than it sounds
Whoever made the mouse hit the border, you made me laugh for like a full 2 min.😂
for any subjects in the USSR, there has always been an extended instruction, complete with the subject. For example, there were whole books with diagrams and detailed technical documentation for cars and machines. A detailed electronic schematic diagram was necessarily attached to televisions and other electronic devices. Everything was done so that you could assemble the device from scratch, on your own, and set it up to work. Here's a good example for you: a VAZ Niva car. This machine can be repaired in the Siberian taiga with a stone and a wooden baton, all liquid conductors are sealed with wood resin or clay. And at the same time, it also included schematics of all components and assemblies.
спасибо, Товарищ Лайнус. Видео было познавательным. Вернулся во времена детского сада, когда играл с этой мышью.
@@raggedclawstarcraft6562 more like "comrade Linus"
@@raggedclawstarcraft6562 not mr., comrade is closer
1:05 You have a typo here it's not UKV it's UVK. And i don't know about UVK-01, in the warranty card it's just says: устройство ввода координатное УВК, no -01 just UVK. And it's not called Mars it's called Марсианка with means Martian (in feminine form). MARS is the name of the factory manufacturer ФГУП МОКБ «Марс» with is still in buisness to this day. Now they make electronics for spacecrafts or something idk.
so Linus is cancelled again for misinformation
This guy is right, it’s marsianka translate to ‘’Martian’’ and also model is UVK. Not sure about the number.. but I know there are different version like the UVK-09.
What Labs did, this is literally my world! I like it really and hope they do more in these directions! (Very)old Hardware are simple, so It's easy to do a converter, like with the Micro Pi.
As a person born and raised in Russia, I am very glad that you (techno and not quite techno bloggers) review things from the USSR and Russia of the 90s.Thank you for being interested in things not only from the USA, Mexico, or some other countries.
9:36 In Soviet Russia, mouse turns YOU.
"A surprising number of folks were able to sound out the letters" Cyrillic is very easy to understand. Russian is quite hard but a lot of words are same as english
On a technical document even just being able to sound out the words may actually help because a lot of technical words are similar to English
@@pxolqopt3597 i mentioned that
The (edited) was because it was a totally different comment but I thought it wasn’t good
You actually did it! A full, complete video with demonstrations and you got the thing working. This feels like a huge step up from your linus rush tips era.
We shot this pre-break but I'm glad you enjoyed it - LS
@@LinusTechTips fascinating. In comparison to the recent weird fpga chip video that I felt like you stopped too soon and didn't even run anything on it and felt anticlimactic, to this full comprehensive showcase feels night and day.
6:13 It sounds like "KN1", which is probably short for "Button1" and "Button2" respectively.
KN = short for "Knopka"
What an interesting solution by the labs team of using a pico to translate the pins into modern USB compatible signal. I loved tinkering with the pico in a couple electronics and microcontroller courses I had in school.
The pico is basically made for these tasks. The PIO system that it has if perfect for these kinds of oddball digital protocols.
The change in the tone of the content is amazing. Its probably just placebo but it seems like the change in pace has had a very positive effect on the videos.
It's placebo. This was shot before the production break but I'm glad you enjoyed it . - LS
I bought a Soviet era gaming mouse❌
WE bought a Soviet era gaming mouse✅
Партия благодарит вас за видео!
Продолжайте в том же духе, товарищ!
Шти...Лайнус еще никогда не был так близок к провалу )))
we must bump this mans comment to top
@@happilyenraged713 good idea )
u wot m8
Ребята, секретные скрытые советы на Линусе.
14:41 "Oskilloscopes"
Thank you, Riley.
Problem solving level 1000, props to the Lab team!!
Nod to Salad fingers was something I wasn't prepared for.
Thx, Linus. As the owner of a Soviet computer in childhood, I can't stop smiling while watching this video.
Love seeing this level of indepth work in a video, love to see the process and what a team like labs can get to work
As an recent graduate in Computer Engineering this video was really cool to see the process the professional world would use to solve problems with software and hardware!? I would love to see even blog style videos even if not fully edited to the same standard as LTT main videos, explaining what they did to solve problems like this. Maybe even stuff for float plane. This provided good context and value for engineering and could see a lot of potential in diving into the shallower (deeper waters) of what was done to achieve this!
The review was very interesting, and by the way I don't think the mouse is slow if we go by the monitors of the time and their resolution, it is quite normal speed.
Спасибо за обзор товарищ Линус!
Very similar to how Amiga/AtariST mouse interface works. One step up from putting simple buffered output from the encoders on the wire, but one step removed from some kind of serial encoding.
1:56 Salad Fingers, is that you?
Bro.. Your team and the whole company is amazing.
That manual would make awesome wall art!
I like the insight into the troubleshooting process in the labs. This would be super helpful for anyone trying to get an old mouse to run like this in the future.
I wonder maybe they could have a labs channel to just do this.... it'd be a purely technical channel. no spicing it up for the commons, just pure nerd technical presentation of things...
It might be a money burn, but it's just documentation essentially... tho they did say they are pausing the new channel projects...
2:27 anyone else notice the hand held Tetris thing.....man id love to have that
Очень интересно было посмотреть на такую мышь, можно заметить как за 40 лет электроника сильно изменилась.
Great video Linus+team, I really appreciate the lengths that you went to with this to get the mouse working and it's really incredible to see it in action on modern hardware. I'm really liking your new revamped content
Still a better design than the Apple mouse
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Even the Yugo, a soviet car had a better design than anything Apple today
@@inspector5122Yugo was a Jugoslavian car, not a Soviet vehicle, hence the name Yugo. Jugoslavia was a union of slavic countries, but completely different ones from the USSR. It was (and it is) a great country 💙🤍❤️
@@ronny12tech my bad. But still, that car is better than anything Apple
@@inspector5122 no problem mate and I agree with you
Good old days when all of electronics came not with just manual, but with fully blown schematics.
Инструкция для советской техники была настолько подробна, что ты мог дома на коленке изготовить еще одно такое же устройство😂
As to the mouse: You might need a small cach that gets all the instructions, and resets(if that's what's needed) so that bassically the mouse sends all it's instructions to the chache the cache sends that to your processor, and resets, effectively give the mouse and pico a some amount of lead time to process. Just a guess.
раскрываем карты товарищи, лайнус заполучил секретную технологию!
This is pretty cool! I would love to see how the labs team has figured out everything they did this stuff is so fascinating
Linus, x, -x, y and -y stands for coordination on a coordinate axis. You can just take 0 as a center of the monitor. Then, x+ means you go to right (in the positive direction), y+ means upwords in the positive direction. The same with the -x and -y (but in the negative directions). Or you can just pick 0 as the most left and down pixel of the monitor and don’t use the -x and -y to make things simpler. Just tell the raspberry pi to interpret coordinates from the mouse to the monitor. Mb it will help with the jitterness and skipping pixels on high accelerations.
The full electrical schematic was so fucking cool! nice work on this video LTT team!