BMW i4 M50 v Tesla Model 3 Long Range. 425 mile trip (same as London to Edinburgh) comparison
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2022
- Hi everyone. So come along for the day with me as I cover 425 miles in the BMW i4 M50 with the 20” wheels.
On the way back we can compare efficiency / economy and real-world range v Tesla Model 3 Long Range with 19” wheels.
The smaller wheel option on each would be more efficient for both.
I can also give you some of my review and opinion of the i4 during this trip. We go to Suffolk and back covering 425 miles which is the same distance as London to Edinburgh so a good way to see just how much charging time is needed for such a journey!
Tesla is always the king of efficiency but how will the BMW i4 dual motor M50 compare..?
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Having run Tesla Model S P85 for 9 years 125,000 uk miles its the efficiency of the Tesla drive trains coupled with the Supercharger Nework operating in real time with the Sat Nav that makes everything so easy but to top it all off the Sat Nav I have now is leagues better than when I bought the car. Its Teslas never ending improvement over the air updates that just keep surprising and its FREE. I doubt any other manufactures will seriously constantly improve at this pace........Tesla wins hands down, the Tesla you own now will always be better than the Tesla you bought, the longer you keep it the better it gets.
So so true...
By the time the OEM’s come around to getting it, they’ll all be bankrupt! Luv my Tesla!
As a tesla owner I find constant OTAs annoying. Sure the first few added some great features, but lately they keep making the UI worse and worse. I've been refusing updates for over a year now. I suspect a company like BMW will only do updates when needed, instead of feeling like they need to constantly change things just to please their short attention span customers like tesla does.
@@TheSlideshowtube A company like BMW will never an update except to fix bugs. What you have today, you will have in 10 years. In 5 years, the newer cars will have better features and your car will be outdated. That is how they get people to upgrade their cars.
@@ymcpa73 Oh no! Someone will have newer features and my car wont? However will I show my fact at the country club? I'll gladly take static controls over controls that get moved around and made worse every month by a CEO with A.D.D. and aspbergers.
The wheels on the i4 M50 do indeed make a big difference. I have an M50 with 19-inch wheels, and I recently took it on a 1,200 mile road trip. I achieved an average efficiency of 3.4-3.5 miles/ kilowatt hour while driving at 70 to 80 mph. Although the 20-inch wheels look sportier, I think that most drivers interested in range will opt for the 19-inch wheels due to the apparent increase in range of 40 to 50 miles.
Great vid! I did a trip of 226 miles motorway mainly in my 2021 model 3 LR last week at 29c outside temp. My car has acceleration boost too and came home having had the car on Sentry for 7 hours at work as well as remote climate to 16c (from 58c!!!) before I left with 24% and I wasn't going steady or slow at any time so had just over 85 miles predicted range at home by the end left, so they will do 300 miles without going slow everywhere. Interesting the predicted % at destination on the latest nav update was spot on... to the exact %. Very nice place to be and I had a few launches when I could onto motorways etc.... impressed so far!
My SR+ averages nearly 5 miles per KWh and nice though the BMW looks I just couldn’t live with 3-3.4… Also the Tesla just give you greater confidence in all long trips. Really informative and enjoyable film as always…
I can’t live with the quality of the Tesla. The BMW isn’t worth its current price. My new employer sais EV’s are still overpriced and don’t get the needed range since we haven’t got the chargers at our sites yet.
@@zeedustrakok Sitting in the Tesla is great. The best defense is to just never sit in an i.e. I4 to see how good the interior/exterior is.... Because you cant miss what you dont remember.
If i am correct he has the 20" wheels, so this seems about right because you get such a low range on the 20". Not only that if you are concerned for range you wouldn't get the M50. In my opinion it should have been compared to the e40
@@zeedustrakok - Have you even "lived" with the quality of a Tesla? No. Just read some FUD article on the web and made my mind.
@@trancenut81 Yes, I actually tested the BMW i4 40e, polestar 2 DM, Kia EV6 and Tesla model 3 LR. Quality perception and ergonomics are in the order I put them with the Tesla dead last.
Thank you for the Km info! Great vid as always
Always enjoy your videos Richard! I've owned full EVs for 5 years now, starting out with a Zoe, then settling into Hyundai for a number of years, I'm massive fan of the IONIQ, despite it's small battery it is superbly efficient but at the beginning of the year I ordered a M3 RWD, but following lots of push backs the car won't arrive until Nov/Dec, so I purchased a pre-owned M3 LR MY21. The best bit is the retailer didn't advertise the full spec, so when I took delivery I discovered it has Enhanced Autopilot plus the Acceleration Boost - I thought it was ridiculously quick when I originally test drove it.
I need to come and see you guys to get the rear window bald patch sorted!
Great content! From a fellow content creator (with a LOT less subscribers) your commitment to turning out regular videos is impressive!
Cheers. Matt @ CARfari
I’m a true BMW fanboy but I had the iX3 and the iX40 and now a Model S. What a difference!! The satnav from BMW sucks on every critical point. And Tesla is so much better!
I’m not surprised to read your post .
@@maxflight777 why! Same experience?
Dont we non 'sod all the ergonomics that took decades to get right and wedge everything into an ipad on the dash for cheapness' Teslas owners all use the much much better Google or Apple Maps these days for getting about? I've not used the factory Sat Nav in my beemer since getting it 6mnths ago. Teslas live and die by their touchscreen (lets face it, theres not a lot else theyve got) and subsequent mapping system. BMWs (coming from the ICE age) and like most ICE cars have not had to depend upon knowing where the nearest cable is to plug into as range anxiety (back then ;-P) was much much less of a thing.
@@SteYoung true on that but when you use the new iDrive system I get so worked up about it. iDrive was one maybe even THE best systems in an ICE-car. The new system has made “life” in a Bimmer a lot more complicated. And the other thing is why does it always sent you to a charger that you’ve passed already? It never looks forwards, always backwards.
That is just simple software engineering, am I right?
KISS, Keep It Stupid Simple, and in this case, that’s what Tesla is doing, spot on.
@@RemmoSRednaS As good an EV as the M50 is, and it is very good. It is carrying too much from its ICE sibling. The thinking from BMW is still too ICE. Not difficult to inderstand why this might be given the history, but it is why I wont purchase an i4 until a true purpose built i4 is made. Nonetheless, its still a v good alternative to the Model 3. My personal preference for a better built, allround quality package inside and out puts it ahead of the Model 3 infact any Tesla for that matter. However nobody has managed to bring that 'Apple' "ive gotta have one" feeling to their product like Tesla has. Theres a coolness to the product that no ICE manfacturer can match. Closest to this would be Polestar. However they dont provide the key weapon in a dedicated charging network.
Anyway, i was only trolling because ive been looking at the Model Y to replace the wifes Volvo Xc60 with. 😁
Interesting video as always. Intrigued by the black car in the foreground at the end
Watching from France, one of my best channel 😉
Merci!
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Great video, I like that you list the pros and cons of i4 and M3. Both are great cars and ultimately it is a matter of taste. Do you have the latest SW? I tested a US e40 and the route planning did ask automatically “you don’t have enough range would you like to add Chargers”. Waiting for my M50 with 19” tires. About three more weeks, the car arrived in the US.
As I’ve said on here before, I’ve always loved Tesla’s from afar esp after test driving the model 3. Then this year with a change of job I’ve driven a range of electric vehicles, cars and vans, at various distances including a long range model 3. And it was by far and away the most complete and confident building EV of them all. I’m more convinced than I was watching and reading about different EV’s after the different experiences in different vehicles. And if that makes me a Tesla fanboy, I don’t care! I’ll wear that badge with pride! Tesla all the way!! 🤣
Tesla's are the best EVs for road trips due to the range, superchargers, and the way charging is integrated into the nav. But the road noise is bad and the build quality is cheap.
@@TheSlideshowtube after driving many different cars in my job, I don’t think that build quality statement stands anymore. It used to but they’ve upped their game.
@@jonathansmith5850 Not judging by the packed service centers filled with nearly new teslas and the wait times to get a service appointment.
That’s a beautiful Model 3. I’m in the market for one just like that! Love your videos. Been bingeing them!
Take a look at the latest Bjørn vids with the white model 3 that has a black over door wrap. Looks smart!
great video, good explanation of both. The BMW package is certainly getting stronger with every iteration. I just watched Bjorn's range video for the i4 40e, and it seems that is more efficient than the M3 SR and LR!! Obviously the 40e is only 2WD.
thats not the case, the Performance M3 did better than it so long range would do even better than that. i agree that Legacy automakers are getting better at building EV but Tesla is still miles away when it comes to efficiency and software
The range of the BMW is accomplished with an 84Kwh battery. The Tesla goes further on 75Kwh it is also considerably more expensive. The Beemer that is.
But this is the i4 m50.. the lower cost i4 e40 version without 526bhp has just done 426 miles on a single charge over on bjorns Tesla channel… and costs the same as the Tesla after recent price increase on Tesla
@@ChristopherBennett81 It was "only" 417 miles. 😜
@@ChristopherBennett81 No it does not cost less than the M3 LR, The base model might be, but if you put it full option like tesla comes its a lot more expensive.
Hi! Love your content 👍. I have a BMW iX40 and I drive in B mode (I noticed you were always in D mode on the screen). I have been getting 3.6 miles per kwh in a substantially heavier car on mainly (80%) motorway/ A road use. I am on 22” wheels too, so I suspect B mode adds a lot of efficiency (and I prefer it too).
Great comparison video, I'd like to see one of your road trips in the i4 40 and your opinion on that version when one comes to hand of course. I find your reviews and trips very handy in learning about electric cars especially since I will be going electric in the next year or so, also your videos are helping me in choosing the right car. Cheers!
Might have an i4 40 in the pipeline…. Hard to get hold of, but working on it as I’d like the see the difference myself and just how different the economy is
People are getting over 300 miles on the Edrive40 going over 70mph
Another great informative video yet again. Love your stuff. Driving from Norway to UK this weekend in our 2022 M3LR, got any tips on which non Tesla chargers to avoid in the UK?
Cool and good luck with the trip.
I’d avoid bp pulse. Ionity just make sure signed up in advance or use app like bonnet.
But just stick to the Tesla chargers and you’ll be fine
Hey guys who makes the best Model 3 floor mats for the UK? Are they all just the same mats under different reseller brand names? Thanks in advance!
Tesla does
If you spend some time in the i4 settings you can adjust more stuff for the assisted driving. You can (for example) have the speed limit be automatic (vs the manual confirmation) and also add some buffer (e.g. Automatically set cruise control to „speed limit + 5“ which makes flowing with the traffic more natural - at least here in germany).
I‘m also hoping that BMW watches some of those videos and improve the navigation and route planning in upcoming updates. (BTW: There was an update planned dedicated to the route planning for july 2022 - maybe we‘ll be seeing some improvements then).
Sidenote for efficiency: I‘m driving the M50 with 19“ and effective range is 450km on a full battery (280miles) on long distances, driving at 130km/h (80mph) - in comfort mode (have not tested the eco mode yet and i also like to drive a bit more „dynamic“) 😎
I have a Polestar 2 ... and I've done Harlow to Glasgow a couple of times (420 miles approx.) I have to stop twice to make it .... however honestly I stop more than that as either I need a coffee / break or I need to pee because of the coffee I had at the last stop. Apart from once I stopped to eat on the way too, so never really cared my real life range was 230+ miles.
So generally 2x 15min stops for pee/coffee ... and a min 30mins for some food.
On an 8 hour trip I'm more than happy to stop more, especially if I get stuck in traffic and it takes 10+ hours which happened twice.
I agree bladder range is the limit really.
Just filming today Bournemouth to glasgow with a Tesla Model S Long Range and that goes waaay further than me being comfortvale
i did Cornwall to heathrow and back yesterday in my 2017 model s 75 and was averaging 240 wh/mile, it went down to 180wh/mile and upto 290wh/mile. this is a heavy model S with 19 inch wheels
What you say with regards to the Cruise Control is bang on. I have the M3LR, the Mrs has the iX3, the iX3 lane moving is so much better, where it speeds up, braking is smoother too...prefer the Tesla in every other way though
Just seen Björn Nylands eDrive40 Video. Very impressive. Toe to toe with the Tesla M3 LR, despite a conisderable weight penalty and drawbacks of the mixed platform. Neue Klasse is on the way, should be a massive step up. So, looking good...
Great review Richard. I'm wondering if a fairer comparison would be a Tesla LR (RWD) with a BMW i4 e40, also RWD.
We don’t get the lr rwd model 3… never have sadly.
And as said, we just film our things during the course of daily work. We are not press and do not schedule film shoots with chosen cars.
Would be interesting to see you compare the efficiency of an i4 and an i3 if you get the chance?
Isn't the navigation improvement already scheduled to be included in the next update?
My Model 3 RWD LFP 2022 gets over 270 miles on a trip like this in these conditions. I just did two tests- 1 Leeds to Milton Keynes and back, and another Leeds to Birmingham and back. Both at circa 68mph on the motorway. Normal acceleration, air con on. I eeked out 280 ish miles on each trip, doing both the entire trips at just under 200Wh/m. So that’s nearly as good as this long range car. That’s with a 60KW battery only as you know.
My Model 3 LR over the past 13 months and 11500 miles has averaged 243 Wh/m. Very impressive. Octopus Go Faster charging only - 1.35p per mile!
Same here!
In the wrap-up, you forgot (I think) to mention the less than staller navigation system of the BMW. The integrated nav + charging planning of Tesla is still on uncontested high level.
(Great video , by the way! As always).
I think I hacked apart the native bmw nav a fair bit… 😂💁♂️
@RSymons RSEV - Now that you've had the i4M50 for quite some time would be great to hear your take on it VS the Tesla. Have noted the higher praise towards the m50 in more recent vids. Would be great to get an understanding of which car is more fun, comfortable as commuter (sounds like BMer?), driving around town, autopilot function comparison on both, practicality, charging infrastructure. Have shortlisted the i4 M50 and the Tesla M3P but can't decide!
Did you watch the video?
Teslabjorn's impressions of both cars, might help you decide.
BMW i4 M50
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M3P
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@@scipalkascipalkasta402 thanks!
Another impeccable video Richard & EV cars are getting better & better! Some companies are giving Tesla a run for their money 👍
What speed were you doing on motorway? 70 or 60? Combined average speed for each journey?
I would have to agree. I own a 2021 Model 3 Long Range, which I am generally happy with, but I like to keep up with the competition. I have owned many German cars before the Tesla and really like them. I test drove a BMW i4 last week and liked it. Just like any BMW, it is well put together, has a quality interior and is quiet and refined. It was like driving any BMW except this one happened to be electric. i would enjoy the the BMW, but I think it needs to mature a bit, like you were saying about the planned route guidance deficiencies. The other problem, here in Canada is that ,in my opinion, the CCS DCFC infrastructure is woefully inadequate. Another car of interest to me is the upcoming Mercedes AMG EQE 43, although I suspect that it will be considerably more expensive than the BMW i4 M50.
Hi Rich any chance of a real world comparison between a M3 SR+ and a Kona EV? Liking the content.
It's worth remembering that going to larger wheels and tires on ICE cars also reduces their efficiency - physics.
Richard: I know you are aware of Bjorn Nyland’s videos and testing. He just ran through his 1000 km challenge with the RWD i4 and it completed the run in 9:20, the same time as the pre-refresh Model 3 LR, which had been the fastest car he tested. The only difference is that the Model 3 was tested in winter in Norway (colder and lower speed limits) while the i4 was tested in summer in Sweden. He assumes that if he tested the refreshed Model 3 LR in summer it would be faster still, but still a great result for the i4.
Yes I want to try the i4 40… and there might be something in the pipeline 😗
I do not think you realize how horrible the efficiency is of pre refresh model 3s in winter lol.
In Michigan winters I regularly average at most low .40 kw per mile and in summer it’s more like .25.
Our model s plaid averages .34 ish in summer.
I think BMW just built a heavy inefficient car by stuffing a EV drive train in a ice car instead of building a ground up design. Monroe went over this in their latest video. They are great to watch if automotive manufacturing and engineering interest you.
@@Birdsaregovspys6969 I own a refresh Model 3 and love it. It does great in our NE winters. Some drop off in efficiency, but not bad. I do know about 5he pre-refresh Model 3. Was just giving Richard some info.
@@louisrodriques9323 No worries. Definitely not hating on tesla or anything. Was just pointing out that the BMW did worse then the mental gymnastics may have shown due to how poorly the pre refresh range is in winter (still cheap to drive just need to charge a little more). I think this is due to BMWs choice to not built a bespoke platform for their EVs but instead made a ICE car an EV. Adding unnecessary weight and poor packaging of components ect. Surprised they did that considering they already have a history somewhat of making EVs and Hybrids. I would have expected this more from a company like Mercedes that hasnt yet built an EV only car outside of the smart to dip their toes in and have lessons learned before building a new platform.
@@Birdsaregovspys6969 I4 is not ICE platform turned EV. BMW created platform for both types in mind. Hybrid if you will. No doubt it would be better if they had dedicated EV platform for i4.
What you didn’t say Richard was which one do you prefer?
I think you need to activate the automatic planning of charging stops somewhere deep in the menu :)
At the supercharger, I look forward to 10 or 15 mins of Netflix. When combined with the comfy Tesla seats… Its pleasurable.
I’m not sure what Id do in the BMW, staring at the dashboard !
Stare at the invoice for the BMW and weep?
great video as always and I can just confirm your findings: I am currently on a mega business trip -3000km through Italy and Austria (videos will come) and managed an average of 155 Wh/km going across Brenner and through Tuscany. Now for last leg a bit up because went to Sölden over the Timmen pass at 2500m and had for that trip (mind from sea level to 2500m!) an average of roughly 200Wh/km, so what the BMW took on a pretty much flat road...
Adding to the above. My M3 SR+ MIC LFP battery on standard 18" wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires has averaged 137wH/Km over it's nearly 9000kms so far.
I just finished family summer vacation in a Model 3 LR (early 2021 model), going from central Norway to UK and back. Total of 7500km at 173Wh/km, with 3 people and a fully loaded car. The big selling point for me with the Tesla isn't the efficiency though, it's the ease of charging - the car just routes you where you want to go, with no stress at all trying to find places to charge yourself.
@@15bit62 yeah very true, experienced that as well. Tuscany is pretty much a "charging desert" but the Superchargers are always there. But efficiency also matters: I could in some places only use the slow schuko charger and it was no prob because I needed so little to get from place to place.
@@tesla-spectre - France (south west of Lille) was a disaster for charging for me. Even Ionity didn't work when i tried it. In total I got 5 failures out of 5 (non Tesla) chargers tried, plus a couple of locations fully occupied by hybrids. Everywhere else (UK, Germany, Denmark and Sweden) i experienced complete success away from the Superchargers, albeit with some protracted payment mechanisms.
Pls get an IX and do all your videos on it 😍😍🙏🏽🙏🏽
Great clip, the BMW seems like a BMW but that screen bracket on the dash looks like a Halfords aftermarket kit...
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5 past 6, hope you’re paying overtime🤩
I have M50 with 18” tires. Lowest consumption has been 14,5 kwh, and normal consumption for me is around 17 kwh. Don’t see much sense to have these range tests with 20” tires. Björn just tested I40 with 18” tires, using Comfort -mode. That gives a better reference.
Nice review as usual but as you said about the i4/50 (can’t bring myself to call it an ‘M’…far too heavy) “it doesn’t do a bad job”. That’s just not good enough for a BMW and such an expensive one too. As Dwayne said in the comments the ‘standard’ i40 without the vanity wheels would have been a better comparison. Enjoyed watching it though, thank you.
Check out Bjorn Nylands test of the i4 40. Great efficiency
Hi Richard, another great video.
We expect to get my wife's M3 early next year.
My question is,
Can you buy a M3 with the single rear motor, but also have the bigger battery?
Thanks,
Keep up the good Tesla vids.
Graham
Ask your Tesla center, years ago it was an option but then it was removed but could still be ordered, but expect long delivery times.
Most people think that a SR is plenty, note that they use LFP batteries for the SR version meaning it can sharge to 100% daily so the difference isn't really that much.
Rear motor only in SR which currently has a 60kwh LFP battery, and is great!
(No option for bigger battery but doesn’t really need it)
@@RSEV Thanks Richard,
Her really is a gentle, economical driver anyway.
love the interaction vids with you and Matt at CarWow
It does seem any non Tesla is hopeless when it comes to charging suggestions. My Kona tells me to go to tesco 7kw chargers, passing the invisible 50kw at morrissons on the way. Because the non Tesla network is so fragmented, so are the suggestions.
Thank You For The #Tesla Content
I went for a BMW iX3 rather than the Tesla model 3 nearly a year ago mainly due to being a BMW fanboy and not really liking the Tesla look or build quality. Love my iX3 but would consider the Model Y next time.
I don’t think there is a competitor for teslas route guidance and ease of use of charging. The Mercedes’ eqa I have also is very faffy for charging stops- software is ever so important and traditional ICE manufactures seem to miss this point
Good video. All the non-Teslas tend to be very good, to great cars, as cars alone (like my VW ID3 PPro), but they are often let down by their far from perfect onboard software. Sat Nav that doesn't confidently know and inform on rapid chargers along a route, for example. And there's Voice Commands as well. And it is not the solution to give up and go to Apple Car Play or Android Auto. These cars need to have better onboard software in important areas if they are going to seriously challenge Tesla on at least the ergonomic/user friendly front. To say nothing about efficiency.
It’s a pretty quiet car
That's what you get if your glasshouse is tiny. A good view and an airy feeling has a few disadvantages.
If we do a long trip, we're taking my gf's Lexus NX. That's not the point of an EV, IMO. I also got the 20" wheels on my i4 just for those rear fender flares. Just look at 4:27 in the video; the car is absolutely stunning. I'd certainly rather look at the inside (and outside) of that i4 than the Model Egg. Beautiful car 😍
This is the best i4 Channel with video, I really LOVE this car exterior. However the interior and range is disappointing
ABRP says: London Edinburgh
Tesla Model 3 LR(19"): Travel time: 6H52M, charge time: 21M, efficiency: 3,37miles/kwh - 18.4Kwh/100km total Kw charged -52
BMW M50 : Travel time: 7H14M, charge time: 41M, efficiency: 2,97miles/kwh - 20.9Kwh/100km total Kw charged -84
15:13 "This car (model 3 long range) is off to the showroom now"
Showroom? Is Symons a Tesla sales person?
Yes! Tesla and all EVs www.rsev.co.uk
Well the efficiency king has been knocked off it's plinth already by the Lucid Air Dream edition as tested by Tom Moloughney of InsideEV's on the 70mph range test getting 500miles from a single charge. The new Ioniq 6 I suspect may also have good range with it's very low Cd value and good efficiency but will have to wait for a production car and testing results for that one. The BMW though is still better interior and build overall.
Can we stop say that cars get 500 miles but forget those cars also have 10-20% bigger battery pack? That like saying my KIA has more range then your BMW 1 series but forget i get a 60liter tank and you a 50liter tank.
BMW😍
Hello. Beyond efficiency, you have seen the transmission, suspension, brakes, soundproofing, resistance, paint coat.
The BMW is better than Tesla on those points. there are good data and videos that talk about this. In addition to a 7-module battery, if it breaks, you change the modules or a module, in Tesla you have to change (today) the entire battery
Sorry did I not praise the bmw enough?
@@RSEV Hi. No please, is a subjet that i saw when test vehicles.
it is the mechanic of a car, for example the transmission of these the las generation of BMW are very efective, great relation betwen strong and soft. and is one only
Like the video but in my opinion im not sure why the m50 is being compared to the Model 3 LR. I understand that you own the car but I feel with the 20" wheels and comparing it to a Tesla that focus on range gives off the wrong information. In real world testing from 100-0% this is the true range from multiple youtubers that went 70mph:
BMW eDrive40: 314 miles / 6hrs drives / 4/kwh
2022 Tesla Model 3 LR: 353 miles / NA /
BMW m50: 268 miles
2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance: 280 miles
But I feel with the quality and owning a Model Y, can't wait for my m50. Quality is way better and when it comes to range its not like I will be taking road trips every single week LOL. People get hung up on range like they drive 250+ miles per day
Who has got a Tesla model 3 to go 353 miles at 70?
Cool test, Richard. The efficiency of the 3 LR is what I expected, similar to what I'd get with mine (18" with caps) but I was expecting the i4 to be a little more efficient. It weights more and the big wheels... I guess it's normal. The 24º during the day were quite nice, warm enough for the cars but without demanding much from the climate control. I miss those temperatures, I'm curious to take my 3 LR for a trip with almost 40º C (Portugal here).
Tesla Björn just did 670km with I4 40. So that is the 'efficient' BMW.
Also you can get 2 different sets of 20" wheels for I4.
One with performance tires -> affects A LOT to range.
One with more normal tires -> much smaller impact on range.
3:38 I mean, if you watch the 1,000 km trip of another youtuber, the I4 did a good job. So, it was the m40 and smaller wheels..... the difference to a Tesla was not that big. But i see :)
Bjorn just tested the RWD i4 and it had better than Tesla efficiency.
The most comparable cars are i4 40 vs M3 LR, with tires of 18'.
And don't forget to pump them to the same pressure. ;-)
for me, the elephant in the room....the looks! FFS: BMWs today are hideous. Never want to be seen getting into or out of one of them. I bought a gorgeous BMW 325, new in 1989: loved it, fabulous car...then Chris Bangle came along!!
The Tesla had the larger wheels (for Tesla) too. Presumably it would have been even more efficient with the regular ones.
I’m really surprised that ID8 isn’t better. I came into my Model Y from an X5 running ID7 and in many way it was better than the Tesla (surround view cameras, reversing assistant, etc) but the native nav did feel a bit dated, and that was without relying on charge planning. The MY just works and has made the whole process of transition painless for someone like me making the jump to an EV. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love an i4 M50 but the route planning would irritate I think.
So do you also buy cars outright from people rather than taking in PX??! Tempted to sell to fund a house move
Yes. Buy or offer brokerage for even better resukts
Good to know 👍
Not really fair putting m50 against a long range. Maybe more even if you put the tesla up against an edrive40
i4 M50 19inch vs. Tesla 3 Performance would be the right comparison
Well model 3 performance has 20” and we’ve done that
@@RSEV Almost the same size as BMWs 19inch 😉 We soon own both
It is more the tyre width that matters for range rather than rim size.
If you go for the 20’ with 245/255mm on the i4 you only loose 5% range instead of -16% as on Symons car.
Using wheels with 225mm like in Tesla…. expect at least 10% better range than standard 19’ 245/255
@@electriccarsworldnews1602 Yup Tesla tires are 235mm, vs 255/285 for the 20" M50? Pretty huge difference. Bjorn's i4 e40 1000km challenge put that i4 in the top three podium finishers!
And the price? The BMW is what...50k more expensive?
Prueba KM 77 tes de consumo tesla model 3 , BMWi40 , y Polestar , estos se llama probar coches de verdad .
Just following the news on battery developments, Tesla might be testing a 500 mile range car, Gotion are about to turn out 400kWh battery cells, BYD seal claiming a 435 mile range, Fisker Ocean almost 400 mile range. And then in labs silicone-lithium batteries/solid-state batteries with 4x-8x potential energy density increases. We’re truly witnessing an overnight change to EVs.
Do you lease, long term rent used EV’s because I bet there’s a massive untapped market there, people love just factoring a monthly cost without long term commitments or warranty risks, as many people do with brand new ICE cars. Your knowledgeable in keeping EV’s in tip-top condition, EV’s lasting forever compared to ICE cars. I can see a massive business model in buying up used EVs and renting them out for 1-6 monthly renting periods, and continuously maintaining them, with prices affordable for ordinary people and families.
Such a great car, ruined by poor battery range and cramp rear seats.
I’d give up some efficiency for a basic cruise that works. I’ve had my M3P almost a month, I’ve put around 6200km and the amount of phantom breaking is just insane.
I had in over 5000km maybe one phantom brake
@@hardywoodaway9912 I did a 5700km road trip my 1st two weeks and probably had 40+ phantom brake incidents. Most were just 10-15km/hr drops for no reason but 6 or 7 were severe like 40km/hr decelerations and only 1 that I could explain because a pickup truck was riding the centre line. I was under the impression it was only going to be an issue on 2 lane roads but on 3 lane divided highways it would just decide to brake for no reason even when I could barely see any other cars.
@@Bonjurro Maybe it's your way of driving? I had 2 Phantom braking so far and I'm at 16.000km driven, both were my fault, was to close to truck in front when changing lane so it braked, 2nd was when i speed up to catch up left traffic but a bit too much and it braked hard to keep distance from car in front. Keep your distance as you should and don't cut into traffic, the car does not like that since you shouldn't be doing that to begin with for safety reasons.
The charging station Search is so bad :( I hope they did it like Tesla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch the Munro Live review of the tech in this car, and don't miss the spaghettis under the hood
Exterior of the BMW looks way better than Tesla. The BMWs Interior is also nicer but I think it’s very dark and claustrophobic. Tesla has better range, efficiency, software and charging infrastructure.
LOL....looks good with those big wheels, but practically, it's just not a Tesla!
Interesting that people bang on about range so much. My experience of 4 years in an EV.
My bladder size is my range so 150 miles tops. Best of luck trying 200 miles plus without stopping in a car full of kids.
Who cares about efficiency. My EV cost 6 times less per mile in fuel than my daughter's Citroen C1 and that does 60mpg on a run. 19 out of 20 times I charge at home so no need to waste time at a fuel station. In terms of running cost, it hasn't even needed a set of brake pads in 100000 miles. As a company car, the benefit in kind tax was negligible compared to my previous ICE car. Bottom line is that if you're in the market for a new car and have enough money to buy an EV then literally any of them will be great.
Ditto on my bladder size!
The king of efficiency is plugged in next to the BMW :)
But if you want efficiency AND scorching performance, it starts with "T"
@@rogerstarkey5390 You mean cheaply built and non premium feeling. Scorching? That poorly inefficient conversion BMW got more range than the Model 3P in Edmunds range test. Furthermore, the M50 walks the M3P in the 0-200, and more real world 100-200kmh run. And they are close on a road course. But the BMW is better at providing a nicer riding, quieter, more premium driving experience. You know, the things that are important in your daily driving?
@@rogerstarkey5390 scorching performance is a waste of engineering but god I bloody fun…
@@hotrod182 BMW has only more range because it 12% bigger pack not because it more efficient.
- Premium interior? You mean hard plastic parts in a 80k+ car is premium? Even the new Model Y has fabric where BMW M50 has hard plastic parts...
- The M50 is 25k more expensive compare to the M3P. Put both on a track and the M3P walks the BMW because of it better steering and weight(400kg less). Add the price difference in favor for Tesla and you looking at BMW M50 vs Tesla Model S, good luck on BMW.
- BMW is not quieter then the Tesla, you clearly not driven both. Tesla has double layered glass to reduce side wind by a lot compare to the BMW at highway speeds. BMW you notice it less duo their fake electrical noise they pump through the speakers.
- More premium driving experience? You mean their horrible electrical steering that has no feedback and has no feel of what the car is doing? Ask any BMW driver and they all hate the new electrical steering.
- Ride experience from suspension is better on BMW duo to them using air suspension.
@@pipooh1 Nope, the BMW drive train is more advanced and efficient, without the use of rare earth elements. Bjorn just tested the Model 3LR and i4 e40. The Tesla got 640km on his test route, the i4 achieved a whopping 671 km. This despite the BMW weighing 10% more, having a more blunt nose, and wider tires to boot! You claim Tesla trumps the i4 in efficiency? The i4 got 120 Wh/km vs 116Wh/km in the Tesla. Barely over a 3% difference! Insignificant on a trip, where the i4's longer range would trump the efficiency metric difference.
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Just about no one says the Tesla is quieter than the i4. Cheap plastics? Just about every reviewer says the BMW is substantially more premium. I would be more worried about the Tesla spray can paint quality in the door jambs, etc. How about the Tesla dash-door transition, which looks like a home made kit car. The BMW could be had with premium features such as HUD, Laser lights, leather, air suspension, etc. The BMW has been touted by several reviewer as having a smoother ADAS system when working within its parameters. Maybe you should watch the scathing report on Tesla Vision
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Tesla track performance dominance? The M50 and M3P were compared on a tighter track (below 70 mph speeds) and the Tesla just edged the i4. This despite the i4 DSC not allowing full throttle unless the steering is nearly straight. On a bigger, higher speed track, the i4 would likely catch, or pass the M3P.
In the 100-200kmh test, Autotop NL said he could not believe how much faster the i4 M50 is than the M3P. The M50 was about 30 cars above the M3P on his list.
Keep drinking the Tesla kool-aid. The i4 is by far more desirable, especially since they aren't as common as flies like the Model 3 around here. The biggest problem is the waiting period to get an i4.
BMW = Bring My Wallcharger
11:25 684 km in 8 h? A truck can go that average speed.
How fast would a Citroen 2CV be? o:-)
Sandy Munro is looking at the BMW right now, and it doesn't look promising. Have a look at Munro live to be well-informed by some people knowing what they are doing.
Unless one has to have a BMW I just can't see why anyone would buy this thing over a Tesla. BMW clearly made this car as a stopgap until they come out with a purpose built EV.
Tesla Bjørn has tested these cars extensively and his conclusion is that as long you have a very efficient drivetrain, like Teslas have, you don’t need to charge faster than 230-250 KWh. Porsche, Audi and BMW keep pushing these high charging times while offering a terrible efficiency. That specially true for Audis, the worst cars you can buy right now, because of the inefficiency and price.
So the bmw costs more than the Tesla, is far less efficient which means it costs you more to go the same miles . Unless you really hate Tesla’s who’d buy the bmw
Well it’s more refined, smoother riding, better seats, better headlights, hatchback etc etc.
there are certainly arguments for it.
Different horses for different courses…
get i4 edrive 40 for effiency. It is more efficient than Tesla Model 3 LR ua-cam.com/video/XTuevL6HD08/v-deo.html
@@RSEV More refined in what tho? I did not like the feel of the M50 when test driving, the kick is way to strong because of their bad weight balance(what you get using a ICE car that design to have a heavy motor in the front as a BEV base).
Steering wheel has no feel to it compare to M3/4 from 2019, they should stay away from electrical steering.
It was not as quiet compare to Tesla Model 3 at highway speeds once you disable it annoying fake electrical sound.
Better seats, i would not agree. Feel tesla and bmw has the same comfort feel but the BMW seating is way too low, or well because of it HUGE dashboard you are blocking A LOT of your view. Where in Tesla you get a full view in front of your car duo it very low dashboard and small front area.
The hatchback you claim is because the BMW is design as a liftback and the model 3 is designs as a sedan.
For a car that came out 5 years after the Model 3, i feel it still missing the ball often, way too often for a legacy brand as BMW. I would expect these differences from a brand like KIA or Hyundai but not from BMW with a 20k+ higher purchase price.
This is massive difference in economy - 25% more efficient! Add to that Tesla is cheaper (much cheaper), more practical, kills the BMW when it comes to tech and you realize its really a one horse race. A BMW would never be as cool as a Tesla to someone who has grown up in the era of iPhone's and iPad's and so turns out the germans are for the boomers ;)
You may be able to make a car close enough to Tesla but how do you compete with Tesla the software company? No one does software better than Silicon valley.
"It should just plan something... a fast charger..."
It should but it's a piece of garbage. That's Tesla you're thinking of.
I didn't watch yet the video but the M3LR will destroy the I4 m50. Tesla is cheaper and better in all 🚀 RIP BMW we loved you in 1980.
The BMW has its + points, but efficiency differ me a given
👍 ok I watched the vid. Nothing about the prices ??? I also wanted to speak about the central tunnel (and the no frunk situation) in my first comment. oh great vid like always thx ❤️
@@TeurpX the BMW was upwards of £70k. I wouldn't be happy with it either!
BMW will get there. This is still by all accounts a conversation from an ICE. The next generation will be the interesting one. The comfort and interior far superior in the BMW although Porsche personally in my view build the best pure EV just now and that is being behind Tesla in efficiency but then its more performance focused and I don’t mean in a straight line. A Tesla simply couldn’t keep up with the Porsche say in an pass in the Alps or Twisty highland B road but would probably roast it straight to 60.
@@SWR112 The iX is on its own EV-platform.
It has no frunk, a small trunk, less space than a Model Y while being more than half a ton heavier despite a carbon construction, meh performance, meh efficiency, meh everything and a big price tag.
We should get ready to accept that "BMW will NOT get there".
A Tesla Model 3 Performance could EASILY beat a completely naked base Taycan without all the fancy OPTIONAL suspension parts, wheels and bigger brakes - for 40% less money with 50% more power...
"Porsche personally in my view build the best pure EV" seems questionable.
Edit: before you reply with "but Porsche quality!!!11" I'd like you to once more think about the price and then maybe read a few Porsche Forums about the issues people have with their Taycans from blinkers no longer making a sound to being forced to stop on the motorway with various error messages.
Crazy that the Tesla gets so much more range despite having a much smaller battery. BMW is doomed.
The BMW is also heavier, much wider tires, more solidly built, and better to drive. So it did quite well. It is also much more powerful than the LR Tesla. This M50 walks a Model 3P in the 100-200kmh test, much less the LR version, lol.
Take a look at this major test review channel...jump to the 14:00 mark.
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@@hotrod182 I know these cars, drove them extensively. The BMW is about 400kg heavier than a Model 3 Performance and you can feel it. The Tesla is quicker in almost all disciplines and of course much faster on the top end. Lightweight is a huge fun factor too. Only advantage of the BMW is the more comfortable ride. Rest is disappointing.
@@hotrod182 Why we comparing a 86k car to a 60k car and say it walks it?
- A lot of reviews say the BMW steering is slow and not responsive, opposite of what BMW is known for.
- You saying a 544hp car is quicker then a 480hp car, so weird but lets forget it 23% higher purchase price? Add that price in favor of Tesla and the Model S plaid walks the BMW in comfort mode. On track I bet the Model 3 performance easy outruns the BMW, duo to weight and steering feedback.
- 90% of people that even plan to buy this car will buy the I4 edrive 40, not this overpriced M50. With that price range it cost as much as the Tesla Model 3 performance(both same options) and it has more then 100hp less. So yeah so much for BMW walking the Tesla right. Price vs performance the BMW is doing a very bad job.
- For the solidly build, its 4 series that is priced like a 6 series. For 80k+ car i would expect A LOT better interior of a brand like BMW. Only advantage BMW has over Tesla is the HUD and the air suspension.
If BMW and Tesla came out with these cars as their first cars, no person would buy the BMW. But atm BMW is hoping it brand name is keeping it legacy going not their tech or innovation.
RSEV - the BMW i4 is at BEST a COMPLIANCE BEV, it only got 4 0f 5 SAFETY stars .(euro ncap).
the TESLA is 5 Star in every catagory.
the Problem w/ i4 is its built on a BMW 3 series gas body.
lol, no the problem with some safety assistants being not perfect. The traditional safety was very high. New NCAP tests test the assistants too. Tesla never been to the latest NCAPs
@@KDR816 Very high traditional safety as it never got any safety test above 90, highest is 87 where Tesla has 94 for adult safety.
Yes Tesla has done the latest NCAP test with their new Model Y in 2021 and still got 5 star.
@@pipooh1 that means "on the level", ± couple % won't play a role
@@KDR816 Any higher % the better, or you want to risk your life on that couple %?
Example, BMW has no leg air bags, where Tesla does. So you want to be able to walk out of your car or risk breaking a leg or risk you can't walk again?
@@pipooh1 it's all about same level. How about the braking distance? It is much shorter at BMW
And of course you need an airbag to protect against belongings under the hood 🙂
Comparing the most efficient Model 3 with the least efficient setup of the i4 and complaining it doesn’t show you haven’t enough capacity for the trip (although it does so).. probably one of most ridiculous and useless comparisons on YT.
Thanks for being rude. I make it clear from the beginning the i4 is on the least efficient setup. I make it clear this is filmed whilst we do other work.
It’s just a point of comparison. I know many people who are interested in both and want to know.
We are not journalists paid to do this, choosing cars and writing scripts.
@@RSEV got it and yes you stated at the beginning this is a useless and ridiculous comparison, but that doesn’t make it any better.
@@Admiralvonleuchte I found it useful 🤷♂️
A good reason (apart from scores of others) to NOT buy the BMW is that obnoxious baby-shit brown trim colour.
BMW was interesting but could do without the Tesla bore fest!
Stay sad!
@@rogerstarkey5390 🤡