Formula 1's Europe Problem
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- For so long, Europe dominated the Formula 1 calendar but as time goes on, the sport is drifting further and further away from the continent. With the sport focusing on more races in the United States, and the endless cash available in the Middle East, European Formula 1 Grand Prix are facing shorter contract extensions and uncertain futures.
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I don't really think that F1 leaving Europe is the problem but replacing the classic tracks with some idiotic street tracks is.
My thing is each race is another culture another country. U can’t compare the USA to Europe, yeah similar size but USA is just 1 country 1 culture pretty much, all of Europe is different multiple countries people and cultures. Like y don’t they have 3 races in Australia or even in China? They r all similar sized the the US.
So to me ultimately this will kill the sport. F1 is almost half built on its history, and I don’t think the new DTS fans get that. At the end of the day it’s a race not some overblown show.
@@nickc8656 I agree F1 is a sport and not a reality show. It's not about drama it's about athletes competing in a race.
@@nickc8656usa is not 1 culture
@@yqzuyeah he’s quite ignorant for saying that, USA arguably has the most cultures on the planet
F1 leaving Spa would be like Indycar leaving Indianapolis; a modern sport without connections to it's stories past
Or Monaco
Or monza
Or Silverstone
or interlagos
or Nürburgri.. oh wait
F1 can build and race in many new tracks as they want, they just need to keep the classics, like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco, Spa, Suzuka and Interlagos
Here's the thing though, if the 'classics' don't produce good racing anymore, do they deserve to be on the grid. Barcelona has been on the grid since 1991, for 30+ years, yet very few individuals are mourning its departure coming in 2026/7, because the circuit hasn't been good for a long time now. You have also seen the argument with Monaco in recent years, how modern F1 cars just aren't suited for the track anymore. It's not the circuit's fault, its just like Brands Hatch or Watkins Glenn its just not F1 compatible anymore, the cars are too big, and smaller series like Formula 3 or Formula E are still able to produce good racing on the track.
@@calumbishop7082there are some newer tracks and street tracks that don’t produce good racing either too.
Silverstone was almost chopped a few years ago, and it's fate still lies in the balance. Suzuka was abandoned in favour of Fuji for a good few years, Spa had been reportedly in the balance over the last few years. Also Hockenheim and Nürburgring GP, both classic F1 and grade 1 FIA circuits have been abandoned by F1.
F1 management will go where the money is. It will cut traditional tracks where the owners either won't or can't pay the fee to host F1. This is why there are so many awful street circuits these days.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YTand yet the only new tracks that will be coming are street circuits, which are the most boring race tracks ever
@@weybye91 the most recent street track that I can think of that’s actually good is Baku. But the racing has been mid the past 2 years cuz of the regulations being mid:
Vegas was a good race, but goes to actually mean it was a good track? Cuz even mid or bad tracks can have good racing sometimes
A real shame we no longer have French or German GPs anymore.
Germany is a real shame as they have 2 good tracks. France less so, it's a pity they haven't ever had a good permanent home
On my fantasy, the French Grand Prix is rotating between Buggati, Magny-Cours, and Paul Ricard, while the German Grand Prix is rotating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring, although the Nürburgring GP-Strecke is one of my lovely track.
Actually, compared to 3 of the 4 Arabian circuits, Magny Cours was not that bad. Dijon too.
@MikeCaffyn1 Magny Cours is okay. It was fun to drive on the games but the races there were pretty dead. I didn't mind Paul Ricard, but it did seem to have issues with logistics like Magny Cours.
i am still upset they removed hockenheim from the calendar, it was a circuit that produced bangers.
@@Xandergre Meanwhile, I am also still upset they removed Nürburgring GP-Strecke from the calendar, it was also a circuit that produced bangers. Plus, the German Grand Prix ideally for me alternating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring.
My biggest fear is F1 over investing based on inflated growth and imploding once the novelty wares off. I prefer a smaller but longstanding sport over a booming sport which crashes burns due to relying on unrealistic infinite growth models.
I do too but this is just par for the course with these investment firms.
This is sort of what happened with NASCAR after it's boom/golden(?) age of the 90s to 2000s.
Became so big and popular, but then crashed pretty hard for several years, of which the sport is slowly recovering from.
especially if they start over relying in countries whose future economic prospects are reliant on vaporware fueled by their current oil revenue, like saudi arabia or the UAE.
@@rfldss89 Those economies are trying to diversify though but idk what they have to go into tbh. Its a lot of desert out there.
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197it also happened in Indycar with the CART/IRL split which paved the way for Nascar to be dominant
I’m an American, but the only track from the US that I want on the calendar is COTA. We’ll see how Vegas is this year. The actual race there wasn’t terrible last year, but it doesn’t change the fact that the track itself is awful. Miami is well, we all know what we think about Miami don’t we? 🤷♂️
Miami is a joke! Only for the super rich non-fans.
@@gregbrown6379 Just like Monaco, except that race gets a pass because “history”
Tbh, miami have been pretty good for the last 2 years against all ods, maybe a broken record is right twice a day after all
@@jajasking9652broken clock*
COTA is Formula 1® utopia after Watkins Glen and Indianapolis era, for me. So yeah, glad to hear American say that.
saying that spa may not provide amazing racing is one of the worst take ever
Not necessarily. Modern formula cars have evolved to the point that makes historically challenging corners and turns just flat out full throttle areas. Also the size of the cars makes it more difficult to overtake. Considering this Spa has lost some of its spark.
I really hope not, losing some of the amazing tracks we have in Europe for cheap American street circuits just sells the soul of the sport in my opinion.
I wish they would divide the season into stages, Stage Europe, Stage America, Stage Asia, Stage Middle East. Would be better for the environment
Well, they are almost grouped like that being that the Middle East races should bookend the calendar for climate reasons.
Why Stage Middle East?
@@MikeCaffyn1Cuz we have so many races there
Stage America is hardly very good for the environment, do you know the distance between Montreal and Sao Paulo?!!! Stage Asia as well didn't seem that green either, I'm guessing you are including Japan, a China, Singapore, and Australia in this stage. I do agree with your sentiment though, things should be planned out so lots is necessary, however I'm not sure if they don't do this already and they have to fit around climate in the different parts of the world where the races are held to make each race possible.
Could add at least a race in Africa and call it Stage EMEA (Europe Middle East and Africa). This way Africa gets at leasssst one race (though they should have more, being a whole continent) Also, don't make the newer circuits street circuits and change some of the current street ones to classics
I found it interesting that you referred to other locations by continent or region, but chose to ignore Canada and Mexico being a part of the same North American market as the USA.
Forgot to point out that everything changed drastically with Liberty Media "taking over the show".
F1 should expand in relevant countries in Asia, Africa and South America, countries that actually care and hold history in the sport. Would love to see an Argentine GP or a Thai GP especially for Alex Albon
There needs to be a German GP too...with Audi, Mercedes being there on the grid
Formula 1 doesn't have a Europe problem. It has a USA problem. Formula 1 is racing, not sports entertainment.
It's literally Sports entertainment. Anytime you pack a grandstand sell your TV rights and turn your athletes into celebrities Schilling products you become Sports entertainment
Money moves the game 😉
Definitely does! 🎯
"Cash is King" - Lewis and Seb, 2020.
Definitely just all about money
Truly, what makes F1 so beautiful is the fact that it has withstood the test of time, world war, and pandemic. The whole operation is an ongoing work of art and history. Many of the world’s best and most beautiful nations all contributing to its story of excellency in scenery, people, engineering, athleticism, emotion, ambition, organisation, and spectacle. Losing its roots would make it more like freestyle BMX and less like the Olympics. And I say that as someone who has ridden BMX for 25 years of my 29 year life.
You're final comment "F1 no longer relies on Europe" is just PLAIN WRONG. For short term tracks and gimmicks perhaps, but for real long term investment in the sport - sorry mate, way off the mark. (Teams, Academies, Drivers, Engineering, Feeder Categories, Infrastructure, Culture, History, Tyres ....................). A very naïve point of view.
in terms of viewership and as media, relying on Europe will stagnate growth. Europe is a small market compared to Asia and America.
@@andrzejszpak688 If you are talking about the US as in America then no 500M+ people in Europe is bigger than 320M. If its America as a whole we've already had tracks in the Americas for some time and Asia too. The only really new market is the Middle East. I wish we could have an African race somewhere tbh so we could be on all continents but I doubt there is the money or numbers to make it happen now.
All those things you counted does not bring money to F1 managment. How cares about culture when arabs brings money
You sum it up at the 7 minute point - A show and money. Which for most traditional fans is just not what it should be about. No problem becoming global, but the sudden focus on the Arabian peninsular is a BIG let down. Four races for a bundle of countries that contributes nothing to the sport is bad news. And to top it all, they have taken our beloved Pre-Season Testing away from us.
Could you imagine this happening in Football or Baseball?
It will kill the sport if they go and remove core tracks from the sport. If they get rid of the classic European tracks, the sport will die for me. I'm sick of them pandering so much to the US.
Then put your money where your mouth is and support your tracks.
The closest race to me as an American is 12-13 hours away, it's ridicules. Europeans don't understand how big America is for some reason. If it were up to me, I would add a few more American grand prix's, even if it meant lagging other tracks, (example: miami hosts every 2 years, vegas hosts every 2 years, etc).
@@rayth4386we know how big the us is. We simply don’t care. If there was an established large fan base in the USA then yeah they’d deserve more races. But the current reality is there isn’t a huge market of fans in the us. F1 is trying to shift away from their core fan base to manufacture new ones. It’s ridiculous to favour non existent fans over real ones. The move is being made for money. Which I can understand, just annoying when people try to claim it’s for any “racing” or “fan” reason
@@Eddie-ec8co non existent fans, ok buddy.
I can live with the US. The real disappointment is pandering to sportswashing regimes of the middle east
As an American who has been watching since 2019, this topic is realllly interesting to me. I don't think people understand how big the US is and how bad our transportation infrastructure is. I live on the north east coast, and if I wanted to go to COTA to watch a race I'd need to fly or drive over 1,600 miles (~2700km) to to do. Miami wouldn't be as bad that'd only be 1200 miles (~1900km). So even tho there are multiple races in the US, practically speaking, they may as well be in a different countries. The Mexican Grand Prix & COTA are closer than COTA & Miami.
With that being said, the idea of replacing historic/iconic dedicated tracks to make more room for tracks in other countries is ridiculous. Not having a race in Germany or France is crazy. Getting rid of Spa would be crazy. The thing that really got me into F1 was going back and learning about the history of the sport. I'm sure this is due to the massive bias of being an American, but in my view, if F1 wants to chase the money but still stay true to the sport they could drop races from countries with terrible human rights records, bring back racing to Germany & France, and add another track in the US.
For the US tracks, and all the newer tracks in general, I think they should be dedicated racing tracks (not street circuits), and they could rotate the years where each track is used to keep the calendar from bloating while also serving multiple regions of the world. It'll never happen, but bringing back Watkins Glen would be awesome lol
I also think the regulations play a big roll in why the racing quality has deteriorated. I'm sure the engineers can figure out a way to make the cars safe while still reducing size/weight. But if that doesn't happen the problem of boring races will continue to persist.
Money moves the world I get that, but neglecting Europe would just be a shame. It'll be interesting to see how things play out over the next decade.
I think most fans would agree that people just want exciting races, it doesn't really matter where.
I was about to type the same thing, the US has 3 races and Europe has 9.
They are the same size.
It would be cheaper for me to fly to Europe to watch a race than it would be to watch one on the USA.
Yeah, that makes sense. The US is as big as Europe.
@@willlive6845I think us Europeans do appreciate the size of the USA (can’t speak for everyone but I certainly do), but it’s not just based on the countries size. Traditionally they have had a policy of one race per country (yes I know there have been the San Marino and European gps as a work around) because arguably it is a global sport (although they do need an African gp, fingers crossed kyalami). If it the amount of races was just purely based on size of the country, then you would’ve thought there would be more than one Chinese gp, more than one Canadian gp and etc…
@@JRoo97 TBF the Canadian market is much smaller than US due to population. Like Montreal and Vancouver would cover most of Canada's Population as far as races go. Australia could have much more but again not many population centers in the center of the country. As far as the US goes, if you want to cover the nation in a density half that of europe, you'd add another track to like the US South East (carolinas, georgia perhaps) A track to the North East, Track to the Mid West, and a track probably somewhere close to the pacific northwest, although a Vancouver race could kill 2 birds with one stone there IMO. China would have more tracks but its all about market, Zhou has helped F1's popularity in China but with him likely being dropped, the market shrinks. One race in China makes sense because of the market, although I wish we could have more tracks in asia, like bring back india at least, markets though again. The truth is that F1 not having these tracks in these areas are due to its historic euro-centricity. Great tracks in europe, don't get me wrong, but they're still so many in a small area. I dislike how close some of the Middle East tracks are, and think we could replace (in an ideal world) Yas Marina with Kylami. I'd like some more rotation, I think that would solve many issues with the calender. One year belgium one year NL, maybe rotate Germany and Austria. One year we do Say New York next year Chicago. One year Baku one year Buddh. I think that's the best option...
Why don't we have 10 races in India and 10 in china then. Their transport is way worse and their population is way more than the states. Besides Vegas and miama are not normal people friendly events. They are designed for the influencer class in America to show off how hip they are.
3:28 there is an error in the video. After the disaster of the 2005 Indianapolis Grand Prix , F1 did return to the US in 2006 and 2007. It was between 2008-2012 where there was a hiatus until COTA was built
I hope F1 will implement a system where there their are fix annual races at the classic tracks like Spa, Silverstone, Red Bull Ring, Interlagos, Cota etc. and then their are races that change every year so there is a bit more diversity in the tracks for fans to watch and many more fans have the chance to visit a race near their home. Also I hope that in the near future there will be a rule that implement 1 race per country (or in the case of the US and similar sized countrys 2 races). I think that would help F1 and their fans longterm, so that the sport can keep its hype and its importance in the sports world.
I'd like less Citytracks. most of them are terrible (like Las Vegas)
I believe that 3 or 4 races in the United States is fine. If you look at the map of all the races, the concentration of races is by far the most in Europe. While that is the case, I still strongly agree with you about keeping historical tracks like spa.
I would agree if we were talking about Walkins Glen, Indy Road Course, COTA and Road America. Pretty good tracks with tradition, but is the same thing as in the early 1980s: ridiculous street circuits; Phoenix, Detroit, Miami and Las Vegas twice.
There's lots of races in close proximity in Europe, but the culture of Monza and Monaco, or Hungary and Spa are very different, while being much closer than any of the races on the US
@@fbi0529The street circuits in the 80s were terrible though, atleast the ones now resemble a track and Vegas had a good race last year even if it had issues with the late race start.
every european race is held on classic historical tracks, they should add more european tracks and not remove them. with the exception some tracks outside europe actually being good spectacle (see COTA, suzuka, china, etc.), the other outside europe races are a snoozefest.
Europe is where the fans are.
I wouldn't be pearl clutching over Europe nearly as hard if the international tracks being added in the past 10 years weren't almost all street tracks, at the expense of classic favourites I grew up with
It is stupid that we have 3 Grand Prix in the USA, and only one of them is good (Cota ofc), 4 MEA, but we don’t have classic German or French Grand Prix, and they want to replace Spa with shit street circuit. Wtf?!
As an American, we only need 1 or 2 F1 races. Over saturation will drive fans away. Ask NASCAR and its 36 race calendar, where they visit some tracks twice a year, or tracks are too close in proximity to each other. F1 needs to remain a spectacle, and having Austin and another track (Vegas at the moment) would be ideal. There is the idea floating around of Chicago getting the 4th US date. I don’t like that. I think giving Indianapolis another go would be more appropriate, not just for the fans, but for the drivers. It’s a historic track known the world over. To win there makes you immortal. The place can also pack 350,000 fans, and the track is much better suited now for F1 than it was in 2005. I think we can all agree, we don’t want another street race.
I've been an f1 fan since as a child in 1973 I got a player special matchbox car for my birthday. I've watched ever since, and I wish it went back to about 14 races exclusively in Europe. It was imo much more special.
Here's the thing if the track is good enough people will be willing to give a GP the pass (see Baku and Jedah, in two countries with terrible human rights records that F1 should probably not be racing in, but who's tracks are good enough to where the racing can defend its existance).
BUT when the racing is terrible, and the country in question is one people are not okay with racing in. It can be a disaster (see Sochi and Abu Dubai).
Lol what are you on about, a ton of fans hate Jedah. Its a boring, tire killing track that was built for drs fights. That track upholds every single negative change that has happened to F1 racing in the last 2 decades.
@@allorfh2495 nah jeddah is brilliant. One of the toughest tracks on the calender, especially that sector 1. How do you look at that and say it has negative changes? Even the drivers like it because demands alot of skill.
We need a new open wheel Formula series with several leagues where a team can be promoted or relegated.
Grand Prix World Championship? 😏😏😏😏😏
Turn f2 into a moto2 like championship. It’s already become irrelevant as a feeder series.
@@MirrorRealityHD Yeah. FIA Formula 2 World Championship and FIA Formula 3 World Championship is my dream for the formula racing series below Formula 1®.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 Theres no hope F1,F2,F3. We need competition but Indycar and SuperFormula just isn't that great.
@@livef1fan473 Yeah, that's why I mentioning GPWC in earlier.
Formula 1 is not deliberately changing. It's merely responding to an economic reality. Americans generally spend more on sporting events per capita than Europeans. If the people who manage F1 understand the American market, and how governments justify spending on sporting events, they can leverage US sports fans. Also, the amount of money that the developing world is willing to spend to market their country and society to global businesses and tourists, outweighs what Europeans (and Americans) are willing to spend at the gate.
F1 is not making an attempt to go anywhere in particular. It's just going where it's wanted. If European governments were willing to substantially increase their payments, F1 would go right back to Europe.
Great video. Be careful with audio balance tho as it almost swallowed your VO line during Part III.
3 races in the US is ridiculous. And I live in the Gulf where we've got 4 GPs. Rather have Indonesia/Malaysia and South Africa than Las Vegas and Miami.
Heck, America has some world-class tracks, but nah, it won't appeal to CEOs and celebrities.
I found the music in the background rather distracting with too much going on. That might just be me! Otherwise good editing!
I really miss Mugello (better than Imola) Nurburgring, Paul Ricard and Portimao. Magny Cours and Hockenheim where not bad neither.
You miss Paul Ricard?
Mugello was SO good.
I miss Magny Cour and Fuji
Magny-Cours is really isolated. F1 teams apparently didn't like going there for logistical reasons
Europe has F1 fans, America has drive to survive fans
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It's always funny to me how old fans just absolutely hate new fans
@@iambicpentakill971 I don’t hate fans. I don’t like commercialization of sport events particularly by American businesses. Fans have nothing to do with it
We lost the great rotation of races in Germany. We should also rotate Japanese GPs (Fuji is underrated).
Fuji is great but owned by Toyota, therefore won't get a push commercially or financially while they are out of the sport.
I think tracks should be on a 2 year cycle. Get a core of 5-10 tracks and the rest rotate them out
@@calebleuciuc670 the problem is what would determine a permanent spot. And what’s stopping tracks from simply paying into it. The core problem of this shift is that that the market for races is highly competitive and because of it European tracks has to look over its shoulder when it comes to not being out bid.
The classic tracks still give us the best racing, take Spa & Silverstone for example. Monza, Dino-Ferrari, Suzuka, Monaco should never leave the calendar.
Silverstone, Spa, Imola, and Zandvoort provide excellent racing. Definitely keep those.
Monaco is iconic but unfortunately too narrow for these new big cars. Though I have seen a suggestion to Remove the Nouvelle Chicane and put a DRS zone starting from the tunnel exit so there is actually a chance for overtaking.
Oh boy I am so excited for more tilkedromes and whelming street circuits
The Dutch Grand prix is genuinely a good track in Zandvoort. Within it limits it was designed to be an excellent F1 track. It got widened and got a few good cornors like the “kombocht” which has an angle the further you go outside similar to what you see in American oval races. Drivers really enjoy those tracks as they challenge their skills.
Spa, Silverstone and Monza are legacy tracks. I can imagine dropping Monaco. The cars needs to shrink a lot to make Monaco work.
Maybe F1 should drive Monaco in a 3m long car and 1,2m wide. Just another car for that track.
Get them in carts for Monaco. :)
Peter Windsor has such a great idea about this dilemna - if the drivers and fans like a track but the location is not making money, build a new track in some place like the middle east with lots of investment money, but COPY the track layout thats beloved. Sure it might be weird to have "Hockenheim" in the middle east, but the track layout is still the same, etc
I really hope that a solution for keeping classic tracks is as simple as just adding a lot grandstands. It's clear that Liberty don't care about anything but money, so I really hope Spa and tracks like it could stay if they could bring more audience.
I haven’t watched your videos in over a year, but since then, you’ve noticeably improved your content with your own unique style and super engaging topics. Great job! 👏 👍
In Germany, a challenge I face is that watching the races on TV used to be free, but now it requires payment, and there are no races in Germany. The closest track to me would be Spa.
I’m italian and i love to have 2 races 🥹
One Monza, One Imola?
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 yeah, imola is a 30 minute drive from my place and monza is 2h.
Needless to say i attend both grand prix every year
@@lucignolo8333 It is good. Although Imola is not my favorite track, but I always remember and acknowledge Imola legacy and history. For Monza, of course Monza must stay forever.
This is reminding me of how NASCAR broke itself by extending itself too far chasing large markets
It's a shame we're losing good European tracks like Nurburgring, Hockenheim....to tracks as bad as Lusail-Qatar, Jeddah. They've also completely neutered Albert Park and Singapore (hope they restore Singapore to it's older layout--it still hosted good races). The older Tilkedromes were great, why not those (Istanbul, Sepang, even now Baku).
Europe's smaller race-track all need major upgrades to compete with middle eastern tracks. The more historical European tracks must stay on the calendar though
tbh I really dont care were in the world they race, as long as its a good race track am all for it.
yeah except all of these new locations have garbage layouts that make for terrible racing
4:26 One of the two back-to-back GPs in Bahrain was only attended by COVID frontline workers and their families.
I started watching F1 on the SPEED channel in the 2000s. F1 should remain a primarily European affair with majority European tracks.
Its part of what i liked about it. I think a few races outside Europe are okay as a novelty but as an american racing fan id hate it if NASCAR left Daytona or Martinsville to hold its races internationally.
Love your stuff, love your style too.
Such unique content in the world of Formula One!
Spa is beautiful and an amazing track only let down is the food on site 😅
The main problem is not that we get more tracks outside europe, but that tracks with great racing and historical significanxe getreplaced by boring street circuits. We lost the french and german gp and got a race on a parking lot in miami and a boring street race in las vegas. They could habe gone to daytona or laguna seca but they chose boring street tracks.
And now we loose the spanish gp in favor for a street track in spain and we may loose spa.
What I hate about US GPs is that they are all in the general south region of the United States. If you live in Philly, you are closer to Circuit GV in Montreal than to any American GP. I would like it if the tracks are more properly dispersed over the USA. A track around Chicago, around Seattle, around Boston would balance it.
I think 3 races in one country is a bit overbearing judging by the fact that China has 1 and India had 1 (India is a massive market for motorsports so I don’t know why they are not really tapping into India as much as with the US).
I think the United States should have a rotation of 2 tracks per year. There will always be 2 US GP but the set list will change each year. This will make it better for fans across the country to get a chance of being in the standings and make the seasons more dynamic for the teams and drivers.
I’d want F1 to be involved with the US but have other tracks play host to it. The country is so massive that every year you could have a different track. Maybe a revolving 4-5 tracks could work
If we have to lose any European races please let it be Monaco 😴🙏
Now how about F1 taking up full residency and setting up an F1 Team in the US and Asia.
@@ciaranobyrne087 that isn’t on f1 to set up.
Just wouldn't work. Level of investment needed would be massive. All the talent is in Europe. Even the Haas F1 Team which is American owned has a UK base.
I still think it shouldn't be called a word championship until Africa either gets a driver, a team, or a circuit. We've got one of those for every other content (except Oceania but Australia is close enough to it and they are often considered one and the same informally).
This conversation has been going on since I started watching in the mid ‘90’s. The main issue I see is too many races. It makes it less exclusive and people get bored of it when it’s every single weekend.
American business tends to have a “more is better” approach. Once the hype cycle dies down it will be interested to see how having such a glut of tracks will be sustainable.
subject aside, great job with the video pers, great editing!
As always, money corrupts. Now we have awful tracks in countries with, at best, no history of racing and, at worst, engaging in "sportswashing"
F1 IS European, plus Suzuka and Interlagos, anything else is optional. Without any one of them it loses its whole identity
I say let them take away the European tracks and let's see how long F1 will last. If they also take Interlagos and Suzuka away they'd just crash and burn in a couple of years. When Perez retires, Mexican fans will also stop watching, just like Chinese fans once Zhou is completely out of the sport. The USA "fans" are only loud on social media and only are around because of Netflix, once the idiotic series dies they will go back to not caring about F1. As for the middle east, there are no real fans, they are just there to flaunt money and nothing more.
How about loosing the middle east tracks and any tracks that are used for political reasons instead of fanbase reasons. Azerbeijan, SA, Qatar, Bahrein have nothing to do with growing the sport and are only about money. And that money will come anyway from fanbases in countries that deserve a GP. And if Monaco wants to keep their GP it should adjust the track to make it more competitive.
It’s crazy because I wished for so long to have a US race and now I have a choice of 3 but it’s too pricey. Would be better to travel and see a traditional European track. All about money. If only some rich guy just made another a1gp type race series or make the vintage series more competitive.
dude if they start adding more street circuits and removing track circuits im done watching f1, especially if the races they let go are spa monza and siverstone. F1 is a track focused motorsport but they seem to forget with the money they get from sponsors.
My dream 24 race season - 1 Bahrain, (Double Header - 2 Qatar, 3 Jeddah) 4 Albert Park, 5 Mugello, 6 Portimao, (Double Header - 7 Paul Ricard, 8 Monaco) 9 Canada, 10 Silverstone, 11 Kyalami, (Triple Header - 12 Zandvoort, 13 Spa, 14 Nurburgring) BREAK, 15 Red Bull Ring, 16 Hungaroring, 17 Monza, 18 Turkey, (Double Header - 19 Sepang, 20 Singapore) 21 Japan, 22 Interlagos, (Double Header - 23 COTA, 24 Las Vegas! that's right NO Miami, Shanghai or Yas Marina
get rid of vegas quatar and jeddah and switch interlaces to be the final race and that would certainly be the best calendar
Eventually the F1 bubble will burst and then hopefully we will get back to normality
The underrated aspect of the growth of F1 in the USA is that we are growing tired of sport events/games that run longer than 3 hours and are filled with 3 minute commercial breaks. An F1 race is pretty reliably 2 hours and has no commercials. It really is the only reason that that a tape delay TV sport event can have good ratings here.
Once there are US drivers in F1, that may actually hurt TV ratings because social media excitement around an F1 star will take the drama out of a 7AM start time event that isn't viewed by people until later in the day.
RIP Sepang lmao
The issues isn’t change but a bad change. If the tracks were more circuit rather than tracks mean to push tickets for seats then no one would complain
I do feel thailand would be an amazing circuit, motogp race at thailand chang mai circuit so why can't f1
The only answer for this problem is to find investors for them to invest for a Grand Prix so no major losses exist
Make a video on how netflix destroyed F1. That's what I like to see
that's your opinion, not his. He actually says, and so does the numbers, that Netflix helped grow the sport.
Solution for f1 split into 2 have all the traditional tracks with all the history and then have your crappy new tracks that most people dislike then have the teams build 4 cars to run. In both series
Good, maybe the races can start at times convenient to the Americas over Europe. Las Vegas should be on a Sunday evening, local time. Hopefully the talk of a Chicago race comes through!
Change is great but I don't get why they expand into the US if the average fan here can't afford a ticket and if 2/3 of the tracks are just pure glitz and nothing else.
Stuff like this is interesting too me but as an American I do not want F1 in my country. The FIA is a plague that kills local series and destroys tracks. Look at the way nascar and F1 both handled their new street circuits. Nascar has had two years of huge successes despite being weather affected and F1 has had 3 failures that are possibly the most boring races of the year in any Motorsport. Even the way they both handle COTA is vastly different with the nascar races sometimes getting out of hand but the fan experience for nascar being universally praised as being better. The FIA thankfully hasn’t invaded to bad because they would kill any home grown racing series like indycar in an instant. It would take the character out of tracks like Sebring, Daytona, Indy, leguna seca, Watkins Glen, and road America. They’d put miles of run off that kills the racing and repave them to be like glass killing the racing even more. F1 as a company and the FIA as a sanctioning body do nothing but choke and harm their series and kill any other that could compete
My bucket list of Formula 1® tracks, (but) in chronological order of regional:
🇦🇺 Albert Park
🇸🇬 Marina Bay
🇲🇾 Sepang
🇰🇷 Yeongam
🇯🇵 Suzuka
🇨🇳 Shanghai
🇮🇳 Buddh
🇦🇪 Yas Marina
🇶🇦 Losail
🇧🇭 Sakhir
🇸🇦 Jeddah / Qiddiya
🇦🇿 Baku
🇹🇷 Istanbul
🇫🇮 Kymi Ring
🇭🇺 Hungaroring
🇦🇹 Österreichring
🇮🇹 Monza
🇲🇨 Monte-Carlo
🇫🇷 Buggati / Magny-Cours / Paul Ricard
🇩🇪 Nürburgring GP-Strecke / Hockenheimring
🇧🇪 Spa-Francorchamps
🇳🇱 Zandvoort
🇬🇧 Silverstone
🇪🇸 Barcelona-Catalunya
🇵🇹 Portimão
🇨🇦 Montreal
🇺🇸 Austin, Texas
🇲🇽 México City
🇧🇷 Interlagos
🇿🇦 Kyalami
Although i'm Indonesian, but I almost never too optimistic about the potential for the Indonesian Grand Prix. Just has these six Asian tracks is very enough for me.
30/07/2024 05:17 AM At My Local Time.
Yeongam is a shit track
You have Mandalika, but that's not very suitable for car racing. I think Porsche used Mandalika for a test once, but it's mainly a motorcycle track as far as racing goes.
@@johannessamuelsson6578 Of course yeah. Mandalika, and Sentul, is not very suitable for Formula 1®. Probably yes for Formula Regional and/or Formula 4, but for Formula 1®? It's still far from yes word.
@@johannessamuelsson6578 Yes, you're right about Porsche's Mandalika test. For 2025, Mandalika also will held GT World Challenge Asia, in 9-10-11 May.
This is like NASCAR leaving the south because they no longer NEEDED to rely on them, but once everything came down, they had to go crawling back to their base.
If F1 wants a fourth US race, it has to be in or near New York City. It’s a market where neither NASCAR nor Indycar has a race. Any where else is just not good enough in my opinion.
shit really gonna go down when they cut monaco, that will truely mark the shift!
Rule of acquisition number 62. The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
I don’t have an issue with f1 moving to the United States so long as they build/use actual race tracks and not use any more street circuits (unless they’re really good street circuits.) I mean come on, the United States is massive, you could pretty much fit all of Europe into the single country so it makes since as to why they might be moving more and more in to the States
*_I just want accessibility._*
F1 has become impossible to attend for normal people, if you don't want to get into ridiculous debt.
I'm not taking up a loan to see a car go fast.
What I'd want to see is an Asian GP (like you used to have an EU GP), Suzuka is the only Japanese track in F1 for the past 15+ years.
It would allow tracks like Motegi or Fuji to be featured as well.
Or even see the Malaysian or Korean tracks again (although probably unlikely).
The European Grand PRix was just an artifact of naming convention, because there can't be two F1 Grands Prix in the same country. Same why we had Tuscan and Styrian Grands Prix in 2020
It is a good thing isn't it? Glad to see fans around the world embrace this historical race and countries keep investing in it. Take a look at golf, it's dying and only people in the US and UK play it, which is truly a tragic story. Good luck F1 glad you are expanding out of Europe!
This entire video felt like a thesis statement. I’m hungry for more analysis. Yes, US and Middle Eastern money is pulling the racing power away from Europe, but what will that actually mean? What are the consequences for the European fan base? How might this shape the sport? They dropped Nuremberg from the calendar because German’s were less interested after Schumacher left. What tracks in Europe might be considered the next on the chopping block? Hungary? We still have European drivers dominating the sport, are F2, F3, F4, etc. still safe from this massive shift? Are they also starting to trend?
If anyone has thoughts or video recommendations please let me know 🥲
Here are some facts about f1. F1 is a rich people sport, and it will continue to be. If european promoters/tracks dont make enough money they will be out. Plain and simple.
I found F1 in 2018-2019. I have long enjoyed both IndyCar and NASCAR, but mainly for their forays into street tracks and grand prix formats. Watching them drive ovals is ... less than fun. And especially how NASCAR has watered down races with their "stage" nonsense... So when I found F1 and its all grand prix and road courses, well, I was hooked from the get-go. I enjoy the races and even some of the drama associated with the "silly season" drivers market and the constructors battle. Even the fact that the cars are not identical is a plus, gives them some character and allows the engineers to explore different solutions to various problems. I was hopeful that Mercedes would be able to make the zero side-pod concept work just for the variety, but I have also loved watching the recovery of Merc, McClaren and the four-way fight at the top we have this year. Much more fun than seeing who will come in second to Verstappen or Hamilton this week. 🙂 As for expansion: I enjoy COTA, Vegas was OK, and I honestly enjoy watching the race in Miami. I would not be opposed to dropping one or both of Miami and Vegas to see F1 back at Indianapolis for the GP track, though. 🙂
WRC is more fun.
F1 drivers see few corners, a rally driver sees thousands...
Go watch it then🤷♀
No need to cry about in the comments if F1 is so bad...
i dont think there is any stage with "thousands" of corners bro
I dont think F1 is moving away from Europe but it is Moving Aways from tradicion: Spa, Monza, france, germany, canada and maybe even Japan do not seam to be the priority anymore...
City circuits in City centers or massive autodromes with massive paddoks are the priority
“it may not be an exciting race or an edge of ur seat race” there convo done, get it off the calendar
The popularity of F1 will only last so long in America……I’d give it another 5 years or less.
As for Europe, things are just getting way to expensive there for your average person. Once Verstappen retire , the Dutch GP will go the way of the German GP like when Schumacher retired
Americans love Cars and Racing. F1 has a growing interest with that crowd.
The disrecpect from f1 executives towards their long term fans is crazy! It all started with liberty media who dont care about the history of the sport and its historic sporting venues. Leaving countries like Germany who build this sport up and always choosing money over passion is what real fans hate to see. I personally watched this beautiful sport over 20 years and witnessed some of the most intoxicating battles and victories. When i look at todays cars, tracks this beauty is slowly fading away. When i look at todays slow cars with extrem regulations who all look the same and more and more street circuits in countries and cities with no history and often no human rights than i feel like this is making me sick. And when the hype because of Netflix is finally slowing ending and the revenue starts to drop again they will once again rely on the the timeless circuits where this sport has been growing for so many years and hope that the old true fans come back.
Well the one thing we know for sure that Monaco is not leaving the calendar
they can race wherever they want. i don't really care the country to race is at. what matters to me is good tracks. some of the tracks introduced in the past ~10 years are.... yea. if that's the quality we can expect then i would rather go back to classics that always produced good races. so, it will depend on track builders if i like it or not.
F1 runs in BIG money, so they seem to go where that is.
The Singapore race was the most boring of the year, and Monaco is similar.
I get that Monaco is iconic - but it sucks as a track.